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457 BACK TO THE FUTURE 40th Anniversary Tribute! - THE CINE-FILES LIVE! · The Cine-Files

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello everyone and welcome to a brand new episode of the cinephiles live here brought you by the cinephiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I have John Rokajone as always by my co-host Steve Morris or a Steve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am doing good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready to go back in time and then forward in time and then back in time and then back in time again and then forward in time and then forward in time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you haven't already seen the title or pick up Steve's allusions, what we are doing is diving into back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the 40th of the franchise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is the 40th anniversary of the release of the original film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that that film was just an incredible blockbuster and still endures to this day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Powerful impact of a movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It spawned two sequels that were shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: back to back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to talk a lot about the original film and then get into the other installments as well overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we've got a special guest joining us in a few minutes as well, who was our guest for our episode on back to the future, Steve or one of our guests.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this could be a fun conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How are you feeling about back to the future?
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[SPEAKER_00]: 40 years later, since the first installment now as we look back and think about this movie in our collective
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[SPEAKER_01]: Back to the future is not only one of the great films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not only, in my opinion, the greatest time travel film of all time, and there are a bunch of time travel films I like, but it is so much itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is so much its own thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It has such a light, fun touch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I also have to say that are two episodes on back to the future with Michael Vogel and Shannon who's going to join us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Are some of my favorite episodes of all time, so we're going to release those episodes coming up tomorrow too.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't say enough great things about back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How about you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I, how can I say this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love the film and I enjoy the film, but I don't review it in the way that a lot of my fellow 1980s kids do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I come in from a different come edit from a different place and it's more my fandom of Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's where I approach the movie much more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me, of course, Christopher Lloyd.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't both of those guys as actors before back to the future with family dyes and with taxi, those are the sitcoms that I grew up with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to see them take on these roles at such a young age, I remember just being actually blown away by the movie, loving the movie, being caught up in the movie and the sweetness of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I haven't always
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[SPEAKER_00]: looked fondly back on the film with the same kind of reverence as people have had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that came up in our conversations when we did our episodes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I have to say, as I'm getting older, revisiting the movie and the other subsequent films in preparation for our conversation today, I am finding myself having a really sweet,
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[SPEAKER_00]: kind of blurry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of I've been feeling about of nostalgia for back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it was great to walk back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a sweetness to it that I guess I'd forgotten about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, there's a earnestness to the film that I guess I've forgotten about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I guess, and of course, because nowadays we're so divided.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a film that kind of gives you some hope for the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I can say that ironically, when you watch the movie, the possibilities of what can be, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had not thought about it at all, but now that you mentioned it, it's stupid to say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it is kind of crazy that, oh, there's nothing in back to the future where you go, oh, obviously, that's left quote coded or that's right coded.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's part of this team or that team, which is how we divide up so much of things today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I also think it's hilarious that you're feeling nostalgic about a movie that's nostalgic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because the whole the whole thing of that was we were in the mid-80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, thinking about the wonderful innocent world of the 50s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're in the 2020s frankly thinking about the wonderful innocent world of the 80s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and the 80s were we're a needy been the Cold War.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... in the eighties there's all of the right contours going on and all of the right stuff right ragan's president cd's crisis yet's like all this stuff is happening through the eight mid-least crisis all this stuff is happening through the eighties housing issues are happening through the eighties were just out of the carters uh... carter stuff and uh... the oil shortages or becoming more aware of that isn't three mile island was it that the seventies is late seventies but we you just come off that yeah
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, worse, we're in Chernobyl, like maybe two or three years later, then that's about 85.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's all right around the same time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're looking at a time where we think now falling back on the 80s and I bet people live through the 50s watching this movie in the 1980s, looking back on the 50s going like it wasn't all that's cracked up to be guys like it's not what we thought, but there is this desire to find this kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: fantastical idea of Americana and every few decades, we look back on something and revisit it in that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I imagine there will be 90s films next in the next decade that will go back and show you what the 90s were like and supposedly were a lot better than then we remember.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's a lot to
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[SPEAKER_00]: Enjoy about the movie, but also be aware of about the movie as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's such a, it's such a unique film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it, and what's so interesting to me about it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So this is, you know, and it's actually a chapter in my, hopefully upcoming book, the director's toolbox is on back to the future, because the basic theory of my, or one of the theories of my book is this thing I've talked about on the cinephiles for years is the difference between story and plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And for most, and if story is sort of the emotional journey of the character and the internal conflicts,
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[SPEAKER_01]: The plot is the action.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are we trying to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And most in most movies, my theory is, is that story is what we're drawn to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're not drawn to what exactly Loki's plan is in the Avengers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're drawn to the Avengers coming together as a team.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The story back to the future is all plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is a plot movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like the, yes, Marty at the beginning of the film says, oh, I don't know if I can handle that kind of rejection after the guitar thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but that's like his only character flaw, but he's not a timid person in any way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's not nothing about Marty resolving important character issues to grow as a person or internal conflicts into personal conflicts going on.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What that movie is about is the twin pines mom mall turning into the
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about Marty inventing rock and roll.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about Goldie becoming mayor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the clock tower.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the lightning bolt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the plutonium.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the terrorist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about the delorean.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's about all of the mechanics of making that movie work is what makes it such a fucking joy as they just knock down the targets one after another delivering on everything you're setting up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what's so fun about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I also think what's great about the film is that, and I think all your all those things you highlight are absolutely correct Steve, I also think what's a joy about the film watching it now is the emotional minefield that Marty has to navigate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, right as he sent back into the 50s because a his mom has the hotsporem b he's trying to make sure his dad and his mom hook up so that they get together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then you throw in Biff Tan, who is a massive wrench in the monkey where, oh, is that right, a monkey wrench there in the works and you see what he can do to this family, he sees what the future is for his life or his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he goes on this journey for himself to appreciate his parents to appreciate his existence, because he strikes me as the kind of kid and it certainly is referred to in the in the movie that he is not 100% happy with what his, his lot is in life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not done cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His mom is kind of not cool.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His brothers, not that great, a sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All he is feels out of place.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And how many teenagers feel that way?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I think was the big gift of the film is that is that's universal exploration of its protagonist is like appreciating family and appreciating the ones that you do have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a great song in into the woods where Jack looks back on where he grew up in all of a sudden he sees the magic of the once small place with his crazy mom that he just criticized all the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was being away from it that all of a sudden he was able to appreciate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the same thing happens with Marty throughout the movie that by the end he really appreciates his parents and his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And ironically Steve maybe because they
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did become people who stood up and yeah, I don't think he, yeah, I actually, I actually laughed, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, I've always loved the fact that one of the touchstones in the outlaws life is the song time fairy tale musical into the woods.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think that is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it just tells you so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It really does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I actually, I don't agree because the whole point of the movie is he doesn't like his family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the only time he likes them is when they're totally different when he comes back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he can definitely do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, everyone's in because he sees the potential of his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now when it's the potential of his family is realized, he is happy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Steve, I think you're about to make a really excellent point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, now there's a lot of pressure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, because this is the thing is like, is that he doesn't like them at the beginning of the movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting about Marty's character is that Marty is essentially, in my opinion, a super cool kid who has been labeled as a loser by the world because of his family and because of circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he's a rock-and-roll plane, has a beautiful girlfriend, rides a skateboard, hangs out with a rear-weird old scientist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, maybe that part is weird, but like, but it's his family, like, is the, you just go to that house and you're like, oh, mom's an alcoholic, that is a complete loser.
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[SPEAKER_01]: My two siblings are total losers.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that when we change time, you're totally right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Awesome, but it's not a movie about acceptance in my opinion because wow, he doesn't accept the losers that are his family, like he, he were, it's only when his family are better that he chooses that he likes them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then I think the story and we're going to, our guest is just showing up, so I'm going to bring him in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They, essentially, the lesson of the film is telling you that there are things you have to stand up for, that fighting for the things you believe in matter, that pursuing the purpose of your life, have the guts to pursue the purpose of your life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You never know the success it can lead you to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you live though like a scared life, you're not going to cheat the things that you want to achieve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's very 1980s in its message, I think I've seen a lot of people comment and write articles about this because it embraces like the Reagan approach to success, but yeah, everyone has money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore we're all happy and it's not actually the true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, go ahead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, so, so for it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So again, I agree with all of that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that is acceptance like well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: some crazy camera work going on over on your average.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't I totally hear that sort of Reagan objection like oh it's all about commercialism because he just gets the fancy truck and his family is now rich so every and better looking and dresses well so everybody's happy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I don't think that's what the movies about it all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The movies about standing up for yourself, you know, and that better things will come to you if you actually respect yourself and stand up for yourself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so the only reason the acceptance thing is to meet what acceptance means in my opinion is to look at qualities you dislike and say I don't like this, but I'm going to be cool with this because I love this person and that's who they are.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what acceptance means.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what happens in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, like that's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, yes, I like the debate because I think
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well anyway, we should bring in our guests because I think it's a perfect time to bring in as we're having a debate about Back to the future, but we should bring in our own Marty McFly, honestly, Steven our lives Someone as you said who was one of our guests when we originally did back to the future He is one third of the geek buddies and he's been our friend for a very long time and we're excited to see Had that he took a little bit of time to hang out with us today to talk about the movie and that is of course the great
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, Evan, you think he likes his family?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Evan, you've seen the scene where Dad keeps laughing and Mom is drinking vodka.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he doesn't like his family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He, you have no evidence to see this like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's just his family like he doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't reference them in any sort of negative way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The only time is when he talks about when he's walking with Jennifer after the band gets her check like Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I sound like my old man.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but he, there's nothing in his, his interactions with the family, even when they're talking about Uncle Joey that he doesn't like them, their his family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I think if he, if he didn't like them, he wouldn't work so hard to save them because that's what's happening in the picture is they are being erased from existence.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, even.
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[SPEAKER_03]: even when we see him at the end of the movie, when things are better, it's still just his family.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're in nicer clothes, the house is nicer, you know, he's got his 4x4, but I don't think there's any indication that he doesn't, that he's not a fan of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, I just don't agree with Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm with you Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he doesn't like there's little looks and the sides.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, this is what's so great about this is I expected Shannon to come on and to either agree with John or to agree with me, but in fact, he disagreed with both of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because the premise that we started on, which is that, Michael, that Marty is not happy with his family, that is what you're rejecting to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not, so I'll actually say it a little differently, which is that that whole scene is designed for us, the audience to not like his family, like you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if and this is because I agree with Steve, like I think the film is trying to show you that these are not successful people right in any way shape or form because just the way they're dressed the way they say things the alcoholism even the dad making crispy and glover be overtly geeky and is in his laughter, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to say, Shannon might have a point if you go all the way out, and that is, we're looking at it from a certain perspective, but it may be that people who have people just like this in their family actually don't think this is a bad family, actually don't think these are bad people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Actually, they said, this is actually their family being reflected in the situation, and it's Marty who's the issue, because Marty isn't the one who's like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: giving good faces or being really cordial to his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's mad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's dad doesn't stand up to Biff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's mad that his mom is an alcoholic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His uncles in jail is his siblings aren't that great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he may not hate his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe Shannon has a little bit of a credibility there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like he certainly isn't the biggest fan of his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say, which is why he's spending time with an old man who's a scientist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Instead of hanging out at home.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think actually, I want to say something just slightly different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not that I think he hates his family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think he's embarrassed by his family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yes, but hating your families is much far.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think I think he sees them as a family of losers and he doesn't want to be part of the losers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And what teenager is an embarrassed by their family?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, this is, this is every, this is every, even when you were talking about how like
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[SPEAKER_03]: but he does hang out with an old scientist.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So he's not that cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's, if you see him in 1955, he's pretty cool.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Comparatively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the journey goes on, and what are your thoughts on this, Shannon?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Do you think by the extent that I were debating about the ending there,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it an ending of acceptance or is it an ending of like, okay, things worked out and I can accept them now because they're much more successful in what have you because I think it's acceptance because he doesn't as you said, he's embarrassed by his family.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he doesn't appreciate them in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The journey he goes on in the movie is to learn how to appreciate his family by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it just happens to be that they're rich and successful by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But like it's about accepting his family by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what do you think?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is that not
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's not really, that's not really how I see it because again, the brief interaction that he has with his brother and his sister, there is no difference in the way he talks to them in the first scene and the second scene.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's more I think it's a, he's obviously in shock that everything, everything has kind of changed and he's kind of putting it together.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But we're just seeing the results of his dad standing up for himself and how that affected everything
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[SPEAKER_03]: everything going forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sorry, sorry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I was just going to say like the thing about back the future and I do not mean this as a criticism in any way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think back to the future as a deep movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like I don't think there was like profound emotional lessons to be learned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it is that the guy got to the the guy one on the adventure defeated the bad guy and now at the end of the video game you get your reward like that's like I don't I don't cry.
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[SPEAKER_01]: because Marty is evolved so much as a human that his family, I go like, yeah, he won.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now he has a cool car.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's that's kind of what I feel about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I have to say, don't I don't say, I don't cry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with the state, but don't cry by the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I certainly feel like a little bit of a lesson has been learned here for anybody who's a teenager about
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[SPEAKER_00]: appreciating your family about fighting for your family because I mean he does the things that he does the whole point that he does the whole reasoning does all the things that he does is to get his family together to get his mom and dad to me because he wants to save his family and I think him so I mean he's gonna die if he doesn't do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well sure, but I don't ever see it as a selfish thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's more a matter of like
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[SPEAKER_00]: he's trying to save isn't because he keeps looking at a picture of his family fading.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he's fading as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's his brother and sister who are fading as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's like that desire to save it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so by the end, it feels like he's much more appreciative of where he's come from, or where he's, where he's at.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you see the money stuff, it does kind of muddle the message maybe at the end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, and that was never his intent.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like George standing up to Biff was never part of the plan.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The plan was he's trying to get George and, oh my god, I just had a Lorraine, he's just trying to get George and Lorraine together because that
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[SPEAKER_03]: guarantees the fact that that that's going to in the realm of the story that's going to make sure that his brother and his sister and himself are our born.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, everything that happens is a bit of an accident.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so I mean, it's I think it's a true case of serendipity that Biff showed up, George ended up knocking him out and forever changed everything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and so I actually, my wife and I went and saw a 40th anniversary screening last week.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I sure did cry.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now, am I crying over what happened in the movie?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's more than a style to factor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't disagree that back to the future probably is not like the deepest movie, but it's a really well told story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We even the connection, I mean, I would say, well, what about Steve Lemasker?
20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: This could just say, you don't cry about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you saw it the first time and you thought Doc Brown had died, were you not emotional about this that he thought he was killed by the Libbyans and then the letter and all of that is there a sense of like, oh God, thank God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, wasn't there an emotion for you when Doc had died the first time he saw the movie or thought he had died.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I certainly I can't remember what my reaction to that moment is, but it's this is the weird thing about movies is that you could see a death in a movie and have the most intense emotional sobbing reaction and you could see 800 people dying a movie and like whatever that I'm not saying the Doc Brown death is whatever I love Doc Brown and when Doc Brown gets shot at the beginning of that movie you're like, holy shit, this can't be possible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: but it's not in a way where I'm deeply emotional because that's not the kind of movie I'm in, in my opinion, like it's a sort of movie like I never really thought the Doc Brown was really gonna be dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm in a time travel movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't know, it's a funny thing because I actually think this goes to like one of those key things about storytelling, which is that, it's like if we do raging ball,
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[SPEAKER_01]: you're supposed to be deeply emotionally worked and at the end of the film go, man, how do I reckon with what I've experienced?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what back to the future is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Back to the future, you don't have to contemplate it, you don't have to let go, you go, that was great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally, it's a rollercoaster, it's a great ride beginning to end with unbelievable details, but no, I do not get deeply emotional.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And by the way, I might cry at the end too, because I
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[SPEAKER_01]: Beautiful art is made.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So when everything comes together perfectly, that'll bring a tear to mind, but not in the emotional sense, you know, Wow, it's fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because I mean, doesn't, but he dies at the end, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Marty sees him die at the end as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because doc, but he doesn't because he doc has the lead.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the, yeah, so the best.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I remember the first time when I watched the movie and I thought he died, I was like,
22:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, he really does die like it just kind of got me emotional as a kid and so when the letter is like, oh, I had kind of sense of like, oh my god, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then that's that moment still works for me because Marty spends so Marty is so adamant almost from the beginning that doc needs to understand what happens to him because he dies before they go into the thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's like so as so it is in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is like a sub plot running throughout the entire time that he's in the 1950s to get dock, even all the way up to the clock tower stuff, which is one of the best action sequences ever shot on film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's trying to get into read it, but dock refuses to read it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's an interesting conundra about the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's why the film, I hear you, Steve, but I think the film works on multiple levels.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I also think the conversation's about
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[SPEAKER_00]: science fair about time travel and about whether you should read something, not read something, I love that idea, any idea of the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What should you know your future before you act on it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, yes, I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not a fucking Einstein complex, Nietzsche type film, but there is stuff here, I think, that is just deep enough to interest the general public in contemplating some of the things that come up in the movie, some of the issues that come up in the movie,
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[SPEAKER_00]: just enough to keep the mainstream entertained, but not too deep to keep the mainstream distracted.
23:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Eric Stoltz version would have been a lot deeper than the Matthew J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox version that we got.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Where do you have it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It may not have been as good a movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this is what what's so weird and it definitely definitely stood out to me because I rewatch two and three, which I hadn't seen it forever.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I have opinions about those films.
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[SPEAKER_01]: delicate the balance of back to the future is it is a real magic trick because it has this lightness and this funness, but it is delivering on all the stuff that you're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like I don't find it to be a hugely emotional movie, but all of that stuff totally works.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it also manages to have like a goofiness that doesn't
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[SPEAKER_01]: because turn it into a goofy movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
24:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That's the is like there there are there are over the top and silly things.
24:45
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of jokes that are just very joky.
24:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you know and and there are also and and this is the thing that happens is that it creates a bunch of um
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[SPEAKER_01]: lines, a bunch of tags that we recognize from back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then when we get into the other movies, which I know we're going to talk about, they're like, oh, we have to repeat those things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it totally, it's a very difficult tone to maintain what the first back to the future does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I want to bring this up because you said something here, Steven, and I get your thoughts on this as well, Shannon and first actually, and we'll move on to that, but like a recent article in the Guardian, the interview at Thompson and Bob Gale in this article, talking about back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they talked about the Eric Stoltz and Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox situation, because for some of you don't know, Eric Stoltz was the original guy cast.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had shot weeks of stuff.
25:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't like a couple of days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He shot weeks of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then they made the change to bring in Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox to play the role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, if you've seen the documentary still, which is on Apple TV, you know, that Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox was shooting in the daytime, my family ties.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then getting taken to set in night at the night at night to shoot back to the future.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this went on for months.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which was in insane schedule to be on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Leah Thompson talks about Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox coming in and she said, because she was friends with Eric Stoltz.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so for her, it was, she was hurt by that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember they, they star in some kind of wonderful just a couple years later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But she said that he was gifted Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox, but he also worked extremely hard at his stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She called it a stick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the great comedians of the 20s, 30s and 40s, the falling over, the double take, the spit take, the physical comedy, the working on a bit for hours and hours, like the greats like Laurel and Hardy and Charlie Chaplin, Michael understood that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was fascinated kind of weirdly repelled initially because it didn't seem like the acting that we were all trying to emulate, the De Niro kind of super-reality-based acting that we were in all of in the 80s coming out of the great films of the 70s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like Eric Stoltz who was a brilliant actor was trying to do more of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Michael was the face of this new acting, especially comedy acting, which was in a way a throwback and a different energy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, Shannon, you know, as our work, as our resident working actor here on the show right now,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Leah's commentary about Michael J. Foxes approached to this, comparing him to the grades, but also saying he was essentially opening up a new way of comedic acting here in the 1987.
27:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's interesting because it sounds like the issue that Bob Zemeckis had with Eric Stoltz was, he didn't really understand the movie that he was in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the comedy of the movie.
27:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And if that's something that, I mean, it sounds like maybe Leah Thompson felt as well, but she also wasn't the star.
27:36
[SPEAKER_03]: But maybe they didn't do a great job of communicating what this movie actually is, because
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[SPEAKER_03]: you know, for me acting is acting is acting, but you have to be aware of what you're in, like if it like just like doing a play, I'm going to have a different approach doing an Neil Simon than I am, and Anton check off.
27:59
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there is, there are going to be slight differences there, same thing on the television side, like the way I approached
28:06
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, my part in Silicon Valley is not the same way I approach my part in the bit.
28:10
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean they're they're very very they're very different and it's not like it's not like
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[SPEAKER_03]: the preparation, it's knowing the world of those individual stories.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so you're acting, your performance is going to be slightly different in a comedy.
28:33
[SPEAKER_03]: And versus whatever Eric Stoltz thought this story was going to be, I mean, I guess one of the stories that they told is after the table read,
28:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who told Eric Stoltz this, I don't know if it was Bob Gale would basically say, like, man, this is going to be, this is going to be great, this is going to be really funny.
28:51
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, this isn't funny, this is tragic.
28:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, Martin comes back to a world, the people that he knew they're gone.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And there is, that's not an incorrect statement.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right, right, right, but it's also that's not the story we're telling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The story we're telling is he comes back and everything is fixed in ways that he could never have predicted.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So again, the the communication over what this thing actually is it sounds like maybe it was not as transparent as it maybe should have been.
29:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Steve, what do you thought that's we we've talked about chaplain on our show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've covered, you know, his, his work as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We've talked to keep and we talked about some really great comedians growing up, but we did Mark's brothers movies on our show as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so what do you thought's only a Thompson's comments about Michael J Fox is style of acting and kind of it repelt used the word repelled in a quarter, held her initially and then she understood what he was really going for and letting letting him work, you know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So so many thoughts the the first one is it I know it sounds crazy maybe to people watching or listening But you could write a whole script and have someone not understand the tone of that script when you read it I had a buddy who wrote a script.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I read the script.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hated it and I kind of'm figuring out because you have to talk to a friend and go You know what I'm gonna say and I've start commenting and he said will did you find it funny and I'm like
30:16
[SPEAKER_01]: was it supposed to be funny?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if I said it quite like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's like, yeah, it's a comedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I'm like, it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I had to go like, this guy had written a script in his mind was sort of like the graduate, like a surreal kind of, and it's like, if you're not glued in at the beginning that it's supposed to be funny, then everything was just, I didn't understand.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So that actually can happen.
30:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing I was thinking, sitting in the mat in his books says that the most important job of the directors to get everybody making the same movie.
30:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's actually really hard because there are subtle little things that things could be taken in one way or another way.
30:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And in a particular about comedy is like when I would act in a play, in a comedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If I understood the comedy of the line,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I could make it relatively funny, I'm not a great actor, but I could do if it was in there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's not what you need from a sitcom actor like Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fox.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What you need is someone who can make all these lines that aren't funny funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that is a whole other skill.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then when you see actors that can do this, it's amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I actually, it makes perfect sense that Eric Stoltz doesn't come out of that tradition.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fox does.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it also, and that's great sitcom actors there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, you know, studying the footsteps of the great actors of the past, and it is a different vibe.
31:38
[SPEAKER_01]: What's interesting to me is like when you think about the crisp and glover performance, the different performance, the Thomson's performance, particularly as the older version of Lorraine, they're all broadly comedic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
31:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So I what I really wonder too is like did their performance is change when Michael fafox came in because he allowed them to open up to be a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_01]: uh, comedic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great, uh, point because the, I imagine because as Leia Thompson said, they were all focused on, you know, being the, this De Nero style of acting, even though it's kind of comical, even think that would be something in a back to the future movie that you'd see an actor try to do that in a back to the future movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I think it's interesting because Eric probably brought that energy and so you're right because they'd re-shoot all these other scenes once they replaced Eric with Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox and maybe this was the reason why they were placing him because as Shannon alluded to, they were taking Eric as the lead actor of the film was taking the film in a certain direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not sure where's the mechus and gale and other because I think Spielberg was involved in this is well I don't know where what what was the moment where they're like look either we make the decision now or this is going to be the movie we're making and there's no turning back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, and, and I think that was in, I would love to know what moment that was that was like we got it we got to get rid of it's not working it's not working it's not the movie we want to make he's dragging us into this darker area darker territory and that's not the film we want to create let's find someone who can deal with the darker territory, but with a lighter approach and so apparently he's a mechus and I think gay or wanted Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox in the beginning, but they did
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when Michael comes in though and I think with Leah said it's so important because sometimes you can look at a comedy in the performance and this is why comedies get overlooked for awards all the time which is so nonsense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just watched the new being Eddie documentary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You guys got to watch our Netflix about Eddie Murphy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you see what he does for the nutty professor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you go, this is stunning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just stunning what he's able to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to create good comedic performance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I would argue what Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox does in the movie is phenomenal when you're watching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It isn't just the prep falls in the physical comedy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is our wide-eyed
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[SPEAKER_00]: overwhelmed back on our heels guy who is still at times troubleshooting the situations and figuring them out because he has to and determine to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so we go along with that right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think with Eric we would have stood back and watched the work and been like wow this is
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[SPEAKER_00]: an intense film really appreciate that should be nominated for Oscars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox's performance, we get brought into the movie and we become him and experience everything is experiencing and I think your right Steve, I think all the other actors
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[SPEAKER_00]: because he's bringing a different energy have to adjust their performances to bounce off the lead and be able to be effectively believable in the scenes that they work with Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's an incredible performance and it's a gift of a film because of his performance, you know?
35:00
[SPEAKER_03]: It's funny that the term stick, yeah, like there is such a stick, yes, there's there's a negative connotation associated associated with that term and when I look at Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fox's bag of tricks that he employed in back to the future, I don't get stick at all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I like when I think of a platform.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fox tripping as Martin McFly is not what I think of.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Every move that he makes in my opinion comes from an absolutely honest and authentic place.
35:37
[SPEAKER_03]: When I think stick, I'm thinking more 1990s Jim Carrey.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like that stick.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think what Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fox did was building a person in my opinion.
35:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I really think there isn't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are a lot of different ways to act.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And there are a lot of ways that people can act where you're enjoying not the stick, but the performance of the thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Not every role is Robert De Niro getting totally immersed in a thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Some roles are a show.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, we're here to do it.
36:13
[SPEAKER_01]: When you watch Abbott and Costello, like,
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[SPEAKER_01]: There it's a show like you know you're watching a movie and you're watching these two funny characters deal with Frankenstein or whatever, you know, but that doesn't make it it becomes where it becomes bad to me is where you can feel them trying to make you laugh.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, hey, look at me, I am doing something funny right now.
36:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Pay attention as opposed to, and it's so funny because you could have a ridiculous, completely insane character on Zaryn at live or sketch comedy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it could still completely work, even though, you know, it's the cone heads or something.
36:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm not that's not the greatest example, but like they're all sorts of the history of Zaryn at live is filled with ridiculous characters,
36:59
[SPEAKER_01]: More cowbell is a perfect example of life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What Will Ferrell is doing is totally insane, but you don't know this is just sick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You go, this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
37:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Shen, Steve and I were talking about it when we first started doing this episode about our feelings on this film, 40 years later, why it endures, why it says that's like pull on us as much as it still does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we're about to move on to two and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I want to talk about that before we lose you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you're thoughts on it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you just went to see it recently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like how does the film still endure for you?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And why does it still work for you when you see it?
37:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I saw it back to the future when I was seven years old.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I saw it in the theater and there are plenty of jokes and plenty of plenty of some of the situations that went completely over my seven-year-old head.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But I understood the adventure enough.
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[SPEAKER_03]: to go on this ride now in terms of why it has just hung on the way it has it's just it's a really good movie I mean it's a really really good story and as Steve will will a test to making a good movie is really hard making making a bad movie is hard the amount of things that have to go right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: for a movie to be completed, like there's just so many moving parts that go along with it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And when something is just executed, so brilliantly as the first movie is that you just have this perfect marriage of script performance and direction.
38:38
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the original script, the way they sent Marty back was through a bomb test.
38:47
[SPEAKER_03]: Can you imagine how the back of the future would have been derailed if we left Hill Valley to go to watch an A-bomb?
38:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that's a completely different movie keeping everything set in the centralized location of this town that this town is Marty's world, but it's his world literally flipped upside down.
39:08
[SPEAKER_03]: So the way that it just everything just, there was just magic in the air when
39:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't think it's an accident like a lot of the folks in the theater.
39:20
[SPEAKER_03]: It was parents bringing their kids like nine, 10-year-old kids and at first, any time I see a child in a movie at night, I'm like, oh, you better shut up.
39:31
[SPEAKER_03]: But in this case, I'm like these parents saw this moving to theaters when they were children and they want to share this experience with their kids and I'm like, that's a beautiful thing and their kids did not talk.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There was a little bit of explaining going on that the parents were having to do like, hey, so this is this, this is this, so it's just one of those rare films that I mean it's it's not a coincidence that people say that this is one of one of the perfect movies out there I mean again, it's just there was a hefty amount of of luck when they when they made this movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll never say any film is perfect, but it's certainly near perfect at this film for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's still indoors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Libyan stuff, the way they kind of a little bit with the other things that are in the film, that, you know, those are things that kind of keep it.
40:18
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the film itself, the story, the messages, the performances, the journey that he goes on.
40:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And the coming, I mean,
40:25
[SPEAKER_00]: For us, the pop culture crossover stuff is so genius, like the Star Trek Star Wars stuff and all these things to kind of get George to do the things that he has to do and then there is that moment where he fights back that moment there is just like in the 80 we were obsessed with movies like this in the 80s fighting back against the bully.
40:45
[SPEAKER_00]: whether it was a corporate thing or it was the karate kid guys or it was, you know, anything you could see in the movies that were in the 1980s yet vision quest the idea of overcoming the big thing.
40:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a huge deal.
40:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So to add that to the movie, I think was so important and to make Biff really legitimately be this horrible dude who was about to sexually assault his
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[SPEAKER_00]: presented to us in a four quadrant film in a mainstream way that we were able to consume and still have this kind of nostalgic fuzzy reference for this reference for this movie even though it does go into some darker areas.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The brilliance of the climax of that movie, it's so good and the fact, you know, in part of it is
41:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The hero is not the guy who stands up to the villain.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right, that's what makes it, and it's one of those endings that is absolutely planted perfectly and set up perfectly and it's totally unexpected, you know?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Even, you know, it's like, of course that's what has to happen, but you would never expect it to happen.
41:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so satisfying.
41:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, 100% that moment is great.
42:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it makes sense because Bob Gail said that like he came up with the idea.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he said he came up with the idea of opening his fathers.
42:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like his dad was looking through his high school yearbooks.
42:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So he looked through his dad's high school yearbooks.
42:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what sparked the conversation.
42:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I think there's something about in the screen right in the Bob Gail and Zemeckis.
42:20
[SPEAKER_00]: We're like, well,
42:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't have to be the hero.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: His dad's got to be the hero.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a maybe even a love letter to their fathers to make their dad the hero in this moment at the end.
42:31
[SPEAKER_00]: He's the one that stands up to Beth, not Marty.
42:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that what you're looting to Steve, there may be an element of that as writers, where they're like honoring their fathers generation, honoring their fathers' influence on their lives by having their father, having Marty's father be the one who stands up to Beth, not Marty.
42:46
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a, there's a nice symmetry in that, you know, in my mind.
42:49
[SPEAKER_01]: But by the way, I had never thought of the standing up to the bully as an 80s theme, but I actually think that's totally true.
42:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And so last night, I started, I watched the movie that are started to watch the movie.
43:00
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen him forever.
43:01
[SPEAKER_01]: That's one of your favorites, John, which is defending your life.
43:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, and defending your life, the whole plot is where you afraid.
43:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Did you stand up for, you know, so I think you're honest with this is a theme.
43:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, no, totally.
43:16
[SPEAKER_00]: If I pulled out all my 80s moves, it'd be like fighting against this fighting against this, it's just what I gravitate to.
43:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, well, let's move on to the back of the future to let's go into the future here 2015 in this movie, uh, Shannon your thoughts on back to the future to an in imperfect sequel if they shot both two and three back to back.
43:39
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, to set in the future, dealing with some stuff that we actually legitimately are now having in our society, being the Apple vision, whatever being able to watch TV shows in our eyes, sitting at the table, having zoom conferences with people in essence, virtual conferences, not so much walking upside down on the ceiling, although you probably could nowadays, and no flying cars, but there's a lot, including the jaws thing, that's essentially AI.
44:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So your thoughts on this sequo here was a good.
44:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it bad?
44:12
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you look on it now all these years, Lane?
44:14
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's a story that
44:19
[SPEAKER_03]: You don't go to the future to change the thing and then come back to your time.
44:25
[SPEAKER_03]: The basic premise, unless Doc is trying to more show Marty, like, hey, it's a wonderful life.
44:32
[SPEAKER_03]: Here are the consequences of your actions.
44:37
[SPEAKER_03]: But I don't think that was it.
44:38
[SPEAKER_03]: They said at the end of the movie, we're going to the future thinking that they weren't going to make a second move.
44:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so they kind of had to fulfill, had to fulfill that promise.
44:49
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, back to the future too, I think it is, it is a lot of fun.
44:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Does it make total sense?
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
44:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Again, you don't go to the future to change future.
45:01
[SPEAKER_03]: But it is getting to see Hill Valley of 2015.
45:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Why don't you go to the future to change the future?
45:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Because you have to go back to the past.
45:09
[SPEAKER_03]: And that future hasn't happened yet.
45:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, that's true.
45:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I suppose that's true.
45:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, now you're right.
45:14
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh no, it's not supposed, that is true.
45:17
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
45:18
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the same, it's the same premise as the Terminator 2, 3D Battle Across Time Show I used to do at Universal.
45:26
[SPEAKER_03]: The Terminator comes back from the future to get John away from the T1,000, to bring him to the future that is infinitely more dangerous where we blow up Skynet and then he brings him back to the past.
45:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That does make sense.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
45:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
45:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, but watching what happens with Biff.
45:46
[SPEAKER_03]: This is where Biff actually becomes Biff is a great bad guy in the first movie.
45:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Does he have a whole lot of dimension?
45:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
45:54
[SPEAKER_03]: But Biff becomes a little more interesting because you get to see three different Biffs.
46:00
[SPEAKER_03]: That was the thing that I really loved about back to the future part two was we do get to go to the future.
46:08
[SPEAKER_03]: we then go back to 85 that is completely changed because all bit from the future goes to 1955.
46:14
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the type of movie, like as a kid, I was like, no, wait, what?
46:20
[SPEAKER_03]: But now having seen it many, many times.
46:23
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think it is solidly number three of the back to the future trilogy, but it's still, it's a very, very enjoyable film.
46:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And the way that I saw it,
46:34
[SPEAKER_03]: was because I didn't see back to the future too in the theater when it was released in the weeks.
46:38
[SPEAKER_03]: I think it came out in like November, right?
46:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
46:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I missed it when it was in the theater.
46:44
[SPEAKER_03]: My sister on the eve of back to the future part three coming out my oldest sister took me out of school because AMC was doing a special showing of back to the future part one, two, and three all back to back to back to back.
46:57
[SPEAKER_03]: So getting to see that second chapter for the first time,
47:02
[SPEAKER_03]: um, that was an incredible night.
47:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, again, upon closer reflection, like, yes, does it make sense?
47:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Not really.
47:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Uh, but there, but there's a ton of stuff in movies that don't make sense.
47:13
[SPEAKER_03]: So overall, it is number three, but it's still an enjoyable film.
47:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, I was, I was the kind of rare person that defended that movie when it came out.
47:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I liked to, maybe because I like a darker version of the future.
47:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That's more realistic to me.
47:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That is more what I think is going to happen.
47:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I gravitate to those stories.
47:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I found that what's the actor Thomas Wilson and plays Biff, he had so much real estate.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: in that movie to have fun.
47:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, Thomas is a guy who never blew up and became massively successful.
47:47
[SPEAKER_00]: But in these three films, that motherfucker can act like he can act so well in these moments.
47:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is even more chilling in two than he is in one intimidating and all of that one.
47:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But he is so chilling in two.
48:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And Bob Gayle said that he did fashion
48:05
[SPEAKER_00]: back to the future too, not in back to future one.
48:07
[SPEAKER_00]: That was not the idea, but in back to the future too, he made him Trump, because Trump at that time had been naming his concedinos, naming his planes, all of that stuff.
48:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is a level of menace to Thomas Wilson throughout the movie.
48:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That is stunning to witness as you're watching the film.
48:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And then all the other stuff that happens with the characters and the stories and some of the journeys they go on, maybe not as strong, but I do like what he did.
48:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you thoughts on back to the future too, bro?
48:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of how to say this delicately.
48:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't like this movie.
48:40
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember seeing it.
48:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this is where this is the film because I'm a little bit older than John and much, much older than Shannon.
48:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that, is this is the movie where I went?
48:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I think when you're young, like, and you see a sequel to a movie, I like the sequels as much as the originals, because I just wanted more of that thing.
49:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And then there's this certain moment, because I was probably in college when back in the future, two came out that I went, oh, sometimes these are just not as good things that are trying to be like the thing that they were before.
49:10
[SPEAKER_01]: and there's so much, there's so, there's all sorts of talented people.
49:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree to you about Biff.
49:15
[SPEAKER_01]: I think his, I think it's, he's great.
49:18
[SPEAKER_01]: There's all sorts of cool things in it.
49:20
[SPEAKER_01]: But it to me, it's like, it is a, let's rehash the, the last movie and set up the next movie without like real characters and like the whole, there's so many things in it where A, you talk about being sticky.
49:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It's everyone here's this joke.
49:35
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we're gonna repeat this joke.
49:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And here we're gonna do this joke again.
49:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It's totally fun seeing Hill Valley of the future.
49:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I think design-wise it's cool that I think actually they do an amazing job with technology and things like that.
49:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's character-wise it's like there's something wrong with your kids because they said that at the end of the first movie and now we at the figure out what this is.
49:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We have and it does Michael J.
49:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Fox do a great job playing the loser version of himself.
50:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he does, but is it good?
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't really think so.
50:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And the one thing that I really dislike, and this is in terms of character, the fucking chicken thing I think is so terrible.
50:14
[SPEAKER_01]: It, it like almost ruins both movies.
50:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I like the third movie, but like the, they just invented this thing for this character, we had a whole movie with and saw nothing like this.
50:24
[SPEAKER_01]: And they took it to what I would describe because of my age.
50:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we're in like old school sitcom character bullshit someone says this thing and oh my god They can't do anything about it and that's the whole like that what but he actually should have said by the way Because I've been thinking a lot about what you said Shannon about there's no point to go to the future There's something wrong with your kids.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey Marty you have this issue with this chicken thing Maybe don't respond to this on this day when you crash your car whatever it is and that solves everything
50:55
[SPEAKER_01]: The problem is, you know, it's like that, and this is the other thing I think about some Macas.
50:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So Macas is not on the Mount Rushmore of Directors.
51:04
[SPEAKER_01]: He is at Tirov.
51:05
[SPEAKER_01]: He has made some great films back to the future, Roger Rabbit, Forrest Gump, but I also think he's made.
51:12
[SPEAKER_01]: He's kind of like Ridley Scott in a way where it's like, then there's going to be a bunch of movies that nobody cares about.
51:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And then maybe he'll make another really good one.
51:19
[SPEAKER_01]: But I just might think about him.
51:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets obsessed with technology.
51:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he gets really excited about new tricks and tools that he can use and then tends to build the movie around those things when his movies aren't good.
51:32
[SPEAKER_01]: And so in this case, it was the computer control camera work that allowed him to do all these amazing shots with the same character from different times walking through the same frame.
51:41
[SPEAKER_01]: You got really excited about that.
51:42
[SPEAKER_01]: And you look at like his lesser movies, death becomes or all the obsession with motion capture.
51:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like all those things, there always movies where the technology is leading.
51:50
[SPEAKER_01]: and that the idea is leading and not the characters.
51:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Policist.
51:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Policist.
51:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Policist.
51:56
[SPEAKER_00]: 100% of that for sure.
51:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, although I like his Christmas caral more than Policist.
52:01
[SPEAKER_00]: But, but.
52:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I obviously, I like, I feel like I like to film more than you do, but because, but I also, but I agree with you on the chicken thing was weird, you could, it's almost like Luke in last Jedi where we have to do the work, you know what I'm saying?
52:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, oh, yeah, no, an old guy could get em bittered by the war after all this time and he's on a silent.
52:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he would throw a lightsaber over his shoulder.
52:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He might not want to help Ray.
52:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can see that old people don't, you know, old people change.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: You get to change when you get old.
52:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you can do the mental gymnastics to arrive at the character that they did for news.
52:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You know that.
52:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But that's not my job.
52:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
52:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's always bothered me about the film as well, what they do with Marty.
52:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But you can make a mental gymnastics case that it became so obsessed about fighting back that any commentary about him or questioning of his manhood would immediately cause him to
53:02
[SPEAKER_00]: be unsettled because you've got to put that away as you get older because people are always going to question your man who's going to as easy as way to get under your skin and you've got to mature out of that.
53:09
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not always easy to do but you've got to and so you can make a case that Marty became this because of what happened in the past and how it helped his life.
53:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He became overly sensitive to it and it's been what ruins him.
53:21
[SPEAKER_00]: The other, I mean, playing himself as a daughter and all of that is really weird.
53:31
[SPEAKER_00]: doesn't always get there, you know, but but I think there is within the film there is this commentary about the future about
53:42
[SPEAKER_00]: the perils of 1980s capitalism and wealth and obsession with these kinds of things that are running as an end and also, you know, and again, I know Steve will say he's maybe not deep films, but I do catch these men the idea of like the working man and how the working man is abused by the people in power and the people who own things around the city or a world, you know, and so you have that element to it and those are the things that I
54:07
[SPEAKER_00]: have to like scratch around and fight that I enjoy about the movie.
54:12
[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, the character stuff I'm not always the biggest fan of.
54:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And I do like that Marty and Doc have a good story throughout the second film as well and what's what's progressing between them in their relationship.
54:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But it isn't until the third film that you really get a fun time with Christopher Lloyd, like you really get to get let him have his wings spread a little bit.
54:32
[SPEAKER_03]: You're going to say, I mean, I do agree with you that the characters get very, very broad in the second.
54:40
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and they calm down a little bit for the third one, but you know, when they introduce this world of the future.
54:48
[SPEAKER_03]: And the first time Griff calls him a chicken and one of his buddies hits a thing on a little chess piece that he's wearing it as the chicken sound effect I remember watching that even even what I was like 12 or 13 at the time I remember watching that for the first time with you to be like.
55:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Is this a thing I don't remember that from the first movie so it does it does get silly like and I think the whole chicken thing it's like they needed to give him a thing and you
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: watching back to the future 2 and 3, you start to see like, oh, this was not envisioned as a trilogy.
55:27
[SPEAKER_03]: Like we had an idea and it's like, well, that was really successful.
55:32
[SPEAKER_03]: We should probably make a couple more to get as much money out of this.
55:37
[SPEAKER_03]: But it never jumps the chart for me in terms of this was a cash grab because I still think that the dimension that they give Biff in the
55:48
[SPEAKER_03]: and the love story that they give dark, which is not anything that's a staff, but it's still ultimately, I still ultimately find it satisfying.
55:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I think that's the thing that I think when you go back and look at back to the future too, it's an imperfect film.
56:05
[SPEAKER_00]: uh Zemeckis has said that he was in it's ironic to Steve brought up brought this up but Zemeckis has said that he had a hard time making the film because he didn't want to embrace he didn't understand the vision of the future like he didn't have a vision for the future like he was uncomfortable working with creating the future for him it was much easier to work in the 1950s I have things to create from the 1950s
56:28
[SPEAKER_00]: the 19 2015 was all from his mind, right?
56:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And that may be a thing that has persecuted him ever since, Steve, because whenever he does stuff that's he's trying to get technologically ahead of everything else, it's not necessarily a his strongest suit and maybe he's still trying to
56:44
[SPEAKER_00]: get it right one time before he leaves the earth.
56:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, but that's an issue he had in it shows.
56:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You can tell when a filmmaker is not fully dialed in, it shows on screen.
56:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It absolutely shows on screen.
56:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I think with two, it's clear that's a mechus wasn't 100% clear himself where he was going with that story because the Western stuff, which is the third one, they had already had in their back pocket when they were writing the first one.
57:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They had that as an idea to play with if the time travel thing works out and the film is successful, they'll go to the West.
57:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So that was something, and I think that's a reason why the third one is overall better than the second one, because they had a much more concrete idea.
57:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, they're going back in time to an era that they are, they have things they can compare it to and create as opposed to 2015, which is then pretty much out there on a white blank page trying to
57:36
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, they're not in 2015 that long, right?
57:41
[SPEAKER_03]: It's the set up for the rest of the movie.
57:45
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
57:46
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think as imperfect as back to the future part two is the ending.
57:52
[SPEAKER_03]: where we see 1955, just said goodbye to Marty and the Delorean, the moment where our Marty comes running around the court, that is such a fun ending that I'm willing to overlook a lot of, a lot of it's.
58:07
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a great, great cliffhanger.
58:10
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, one other thing about two and just three.
58:15
[SPEAKER_01]: My high school crush was Elizabeth's shoe, of course, Elizabeth's shoe is so wasted in these movies.
58:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh yeah, honestly, and I will say too, she's my crush.
58:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought she was gorgeous.
58:28
[SPEAKER_01]: She looks terrible.
58:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like they tried to make her into some version of, I forget they had another actress's name.
58:35
[SPEAKER_01]: But like it's it's like here's this great star and you do nothing with it.
58:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They like grab her to the future.
58:41
[SPEAKER_01]: She gets knocked unconscious and then she's just sleeping on a porch somewhere.
58:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like why bother?
58:46
[SPEAKER_01]: What was the point of any of this?
58:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, Gales and mech has said they had they had as Shannon said they had no plans for a sequel for back to the future.
58:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But when they realized they were going to do a sequel, they were stuck with Jennifer in the car because Jennifer and Marty take off in the car.
59:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So they had to figure out what to do with her.
59:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I agree with your Steve.
59:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you could stretch out from Elizabeth Shooter Lea Thompson and Mary Steenburg.
59:07
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really flesh out these three ladies as well as they flesh out Marty and Doc.
59:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Even Biff, they don't flesh them out as well as they flesh out the male characters.
59:18
[SPEAKER_00]: in the series rather.
59:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is an issue with the overall franchise.
59:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You can definitely ding it for that, you know.
59:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And, but it's so interesting though, with the second one, before we move on is the idea of Michael J.
59:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Fox at such a young age playing multiple characters.
59:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, this is a sign of talent, you know, like any doing it in the nutty professor
59:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Aren't lores to it himself and mama's house, but then you have these other actors who have done the milk brawl plot in drag like you seen other actors who are great comedic actors legendary comedic actors who play multiple characters in a movie and what that means and I think only the few great ones can accomplish it and succeed at it and I thought Michael for as much of my issues are with some of the portrayals I thought his acting with these characters.
1:00:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Showed us how much talent that kid really had, you know, it's such a young age, you know.
1:00:12
[SPEAKER_01]: I think he did, and I think he's awesome, and I think he did well, and if I were the director, I would not have done that because I think it, I think it takes away because that's not, this is that what I was saying about the first film about how delicate it is.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it hits into this very specific spot and putting Michael J.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Fox,
1:00:31
[SPEAKER_01]: in as his own daughter.
1:00:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like it's the different movie.
1:00:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And frankly, I do think he's good, but he's not Eddie Murphy.
1:00:41
[SPEAKER_01]: No, you know, Eddie Murphy, if you say Eddie Murphy's going to play these six parts, do you want to watch?
1:00:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I'll be like, yeah, I want to see that.
1:00:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's that's not what this is.
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Eddie's one of one of them.
1:00:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's not many people I could do it because Eddie was like really young when he did all this stuff too.
1:00:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The other side of it, and we should move on after I said, is that the Crispin Glover, this is also an issue that he sued them because they didn't use Crispin Glover, they hired another actor to play his character, and they made the actor, they did build prosthetics to mirror Crispin Glover's face, and that's why Crispin Glover sued them because they didn't have the rights to use his likeness.
1:01:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And that has become a thing since sad had to step in negotiations and that has been part of contracts since that day forward about likenesses and what have you so off and fascinating now we're dealing with with AI and what have you so it's interesting stuff with crisp and glovers I think so.
1:01:32
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, let's move on to the third one.
1:01:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, your thoughts on back to the future three, we get Mary's team virgin coming in, we're going to go to the old West.
1:01:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We get a lot of Clint Eastwood references, Western references, we have some old school western, character actors from westerns in this whole thing, and by the end, everything is fixed, and we're taking off on a caboose of a time travel.
1:01:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts on this third.
1:01:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
1:01:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I find it a satisfying like you've taken these characters to this different place.
1:02:01
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that Chris Reloades shines in it.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And him, that was never my favorite person.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just in the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry, mate.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was a very steep margin.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's an interesting Freudian connection there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: For sorry, very steep margin is never been my favorite, but I think she's totally succeeds in this thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do not like Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Fox playing his great-grandfather too much, but what really I don't like is why is Leah Thompson playing his great-grandmother?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's why I just go this doesn't make any sense like but but but that being said in terms of a story that I'm following and involved in I like it much much more than number two Yeah, what do you thought Janet on back if you
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is a satisfying end to the trilogy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I do agree with Steve Leigh Thompson playing the great-grandmother.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that doesn't make it easy.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Unless there's some blood mixing that's further down the McFly line.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with with with that was I mean could it could explain George a lot, you know, I know, I mean that's a that's a fair point.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It is funny, much of a fox playing shameless.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think of all the other characters that he plays outside of Marty Mcfly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think his weakest is Marty Mcfly junior because they just didn't give him anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just he's George turned up to like an 11.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I actually think a shame this is good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I think it's an honest, I don't know if it's authentic, but it's an honest performance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like I feel like he doesn't lean into the Irish stereotype that he's playing it as honestly as he can.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't feel like it's a broad, it's a broad performance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think he tries to play it as simply as he can.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I totally agree.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I also think I'd cut them entirely out of the movie.
1:03:58
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like you cut there there's literally they do nothing literally to advance the plot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like you could just have him he goes back in 1885 and meet someone else.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Don't have him be great grandparents and get to the Christopher get to Christopher Lloyd faster and you have more time to do other stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think the function that he serves and, you know, arguably not well, but it's to establish the McFly's and the Tannins and that these families have been feuding since the time of the Old West.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the main
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[SPEAKER_03]: the main reason that he's that he's in there and plus at this point it's fun putting Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Fox in a costume.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's the main thing but I do like the Clara.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I do like the Clara and Doc story.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean the whole thing her talking about jewels them bonding over jewels
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[SPEAKER_03]: in the locomotive, the time-traveling locomotive, I mean, again, it is a satisfying into a trilogy that started with an incredible bang of the incredible bang of the first movie.
1:05:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a fun film, and I think it's certainly better than three, so it's great to come to remind you, oh, sorry, better than two rather and remind people like this is a good franchise like this could have been matrix revolutions and matrix reloading and we'd have been like, oh, they kind of ruined it by having a good first film and couldn't quite follow up, which consequently those both were shot back to back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's amazing about three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the filmmaking, is that from what I said Zemeckis was, Zemeckis was editing too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: while he was shooting three and then flying to L.A. to work with Bob Gayle on the script before flying back to shoot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this was a constant schedule he was on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we're putting him up at the Sheraton Universal apparently.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's where we would go and then boom fly out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so it was like this insane schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the fact that he even got three to be better than two and have shades of one, I think was an amazing accomplishment for him to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a Western guy, I wish it was a better Western, but it is, you've got to satisfy the four quadrants, so this is more like the Apple Dumpling Gang type of approach, which is fine, which is fine for what it is, but I agree with you Shannon, I like his shame as I think it's the most authentic of the characters that he plays throughout the entire
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[SPEAKER_00]: series other than himself other than Marty obviously and I like I like that energy he brings to it I think this is Thomas Wilson's best performance of any version of Biff in the whole 3 so like he sees he gets so much
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[SPEAKER_00]: time to play this character.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he does not slide in the caricature, even though he does broad stuff, broad moves, broad villainy, there is a specificity to his anger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you kind of feel that as you're watching the movie, which I think is essential to when you're doing a third version of the same bully, you've got to make him unique.
1:07:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he really does in the movie.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you guys about Lee at top 100%.
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And I wasn't with you to a degree who was so
1:07:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just, uh, but we do get the gift of the third one is getting Christopher Lloyd more screen time to really flash out getting an individual story.
1:07:22
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's almost a two-hander the third one with him and Chris with him and Michael J.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fox, and you get to see his doc brown and more out more layers, more complexity, more levels to who he is and the relationship with him and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Claire, and I'm with you Steve, I'm not a steam virgin person, not the biggest steam virgin person.
1:07:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can take it or leave it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's basically milk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just not that big of a deal to me, right?
1:07:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But like she is the right person for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, in terms of the way they presented her being a woman who is in the science at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like the way it all goes down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she brings the right amount of
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, I got it's the right amount of understanding and knowledge and standing around ground while also being feminine in the way they have their relationship progress at that time and she works really well.
1:08:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And by the way, they had to convince her to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She didn't, according to her, she didn't want to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was her kids who talked to her and do it because they loved that first movie so much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, something's gotta be done about your kids.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so she didn't.
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but.
1:08:20
[SPEAKER_00]: but there's some fun sequences and fun actions sequences.
1:08:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the conversation that they have throughout the movie.
1:08:26
[SPEAKER_00]: The Clint Eastwood references for those of you who haven't seen the fun.
1:08:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Those are so much fun.
1:08:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so by the end, when you get to where you get to, you really love that they found a way to find a little bit of the magic, not all of the magic, but certainly a little bit of the magic of the first one.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So you end on a good note, so to speak.
1:08:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think if they, if you didn't have three, we would not remember too so well.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed, a thousand percent agreed.
1:08:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Anything else stands out for you guys about three that you want to make sure we talk about our hit on here?
1:08:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, you know, what Chris, uh, in the chat, Chris Retheliff just said the same thing that I was thinking, the dock drinking.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't think that is funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That that whole last action sequence, something that Bob Gail and Bob's neck is do really well together are those incredible action sequences.
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[SPEAKER_03]: where there is so much happening, the stakes are super high and they're still really, really funny.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Doc standing at the bar, holding a shot, all night, where Marty says, how many is he had?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just the one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's just been holding it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then doing the the wake-up juice all of the hot sauce and into the funnel as, you know, mad dog tan and his gang shows up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just such a it's such a fun fun sequence and the call back that they have to part two as Biff is in his casino watching Clint Eastwood with there.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the piece from that like the other.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and Marty employing that like that's that was just really it really really nice connection um yeah i wish i wish we would i feel like we haven't gotten like a good Bob's a mechist movie and like a long time um yeah i would i would what maybe cast away do we think
1:10:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Was that the last really good flight was really good wouldn't you say flight or the walk either one of those two would you say those run flight is good the walk I haven't seen okay that's the Joseph Gordon lemon yeah yeah the real life story that got yeah the Christmas Carol was before that then bail off which is less than about that better home express and then cast away in 2000 so probably flight is the last kind of great to make us film
1:10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: and it was 12 years before, I've been 12 years between Castaway and Flight, and before, but I mean, he's got a strong resume, right?
1:10:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Castaway, what lies beneath contact, forest gum, I like death becomes her, but I know people who bash that one.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, who frame Roger Rabbit?
1:11:04
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another classic.
1:11:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So, great movie.
1:11:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, your comments, I think.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_00]: are unpoint about him.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a Ridley Scott.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, when he hits, he fucking legendarily hits.
1:11:15
[SPEAKER_00]: But when he misses or isn't quite get there, they're watchable movies, but they're not great and you wish they were better.
1:11:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's a fair comment.
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I hope he's a Ridley Scott in the sense because Ridley, you know, you count him out for three movies and then he'll come back with a great film.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_01]: So if that's the case, maybe there's another great as a mechist movie in the future.
1:11:34
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe back in the future.
1:11:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey.
1:11:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I really just, there's sometimes where his movies and back the future too feels this way for me, a lot of people love it, but we're just like, it doesn't feel like he knows what he's trying to do, you know?
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's clear what he wanted and lays a set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's because they knew they wanted to do a Western one from the beginning and so they nailed it overall Well Shannon, how do we got allution now?
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for hanging out with us brother man an hour went by like that talk And I'm back to future as usually does when we talk about great stuff Anything you want to say is who wrap up and let people know about anything got going on brother
1:12:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Um, well, uh, yeah, I booked my first movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I start shooting this week.
1:12:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, uh, which is, which is very, yeah, uh, when I can talk about it, I can't, I can't wait to talk about it, uh, but yes, you can see me every week on the geek buddies with Mr. Roka and Mr. Michael Vogel, and as always, I, I love coming on to the Senate files.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_03]: I love chat and movies with you guys.
1:12:43
[SPEAKER_03]: with just a microphone turned on and I cannot wait for 2026 because I'm really excited we're getting to the 10-year anniversary of Captain America Civil War.
1:12:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah!
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are you throwing your hat and the ring that you would like to come on to talk about that one?
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Well I did the previous two Captain American boys.
1:13:07
[SPEAKER_02]: So,
1:13:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But this court is not always bound by precedent, so you'll have to stay on our good side.
1:13:12
[SPEAKER_01]: By the way, you're totally right that this is exactly the conversation we would be having any way if we hang out.
1:13:19
[SPEAKER_01]: My question is, would there be more interrupting if we was not on the mic?
1:13:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I believe that there would be far more interrupting.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
1:13:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
1:13:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't disagree with that at all.
1:13:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that we far more interrupting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot more of this a lot more of this.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_00]: There we go.
1:13:35
[SPEAKER_00]: We need to do this.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_03]: Especially, uh, factoring and how late the evening has gone.
1:13:40
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, probably.
1:13:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Also true.
1:13:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Also true.
1:13:44
[SPEAKER_03]: Film criticism starts to get real personal.
1:13:50
[SPEAKER_03]: So true.
1:13:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, Shannon, thanks so much for joining us.
1:13:52
[SPEAKER_00]: You can follow Shannon at Shannon underscore McClonga and then of course, Shannon, the geek buddy on Instagram.
1:13:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And so we appreciate your brother and dude, have a great week, man.
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Shoot that we're so excited for those of you know about it.
1:14:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We're very excited for you.
1:14:06
[SPEAKER_00]: We can't wait for you to talk about that need to.
1:14:08
[SPEAKER_03]: Thanks, guys.
1:14:09
[SPEAKER_00]: See you, brother.
1:14:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Take care.
1:14:11
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, there you go.
1:14:12
[SPEAKER_00]: That was Shannon McClong joining us for a little bit Steve.
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Should we get to these questions from our, yes, viewers.
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's do it.
1:14:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Carlton Rutter says London calling back to the futures.
1:14:20
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite movie of all time.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
1:14:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I know there are holes in the time travel element, but for me, it's movie perfection love it.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Steve, you're a.
1:14:29
[SPEAKER_00]: big science guy.
1:14:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say much more than me.
1:14:32
[SPEAKER_00]: How does the science grab you in these three back to the future movie?
1:14:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I would avoid thinking about science at all.
1:14:39
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't because first of all, it's not, it's not Jigawatts.
1:14:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's Gigawatts.
1:14:44
[SPEAKER_01]: It's already messed that up.
1:14:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think, I mean, all time travel movies that don't make sense, like they, they, they, they, they each have their own theory.
1:14:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:14:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Of this is how time travel works in the Terminator movies versus Star Trek movies versus back to the future movies versus Looper or something else.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:15:02
[SPEAKER_01]: But none of them actually work that, you know, as Shannon said, there's no recent echo in the future.
1:15:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like the idea, like, why is this, why are people in this photographs slowly fading out?
1:15:16
[SPEAKER_01]: Because you, I mean, if you change the future, why didn't Marty just cease to exist instantly?
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Why is there like a slow ramp?
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_01]: None of it doesn't make sense.
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Never expect time travel movies to make sense.
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_01]: I think what they have to do is they have to make like a gesture towards making sense.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Like no, I'm thinking about this and if they do that successfully, it's okay, but you shouldn't spend too much time thinking about this stuff, the broader approach to science, which is why like an end game Sent it up the way I did with Tony Stark and and Paul Rudd's character being like, wait, we can't back to the future of this shit, but by the way,
1:15:50
[SPEAKER_01]: That is a classic example of the term we've used since beginning the cinephiles that is put a land to hang a lantern on it.
1:15:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because that is literally here.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We have a thing that doesn't quite make sense.
1:16:00
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll point out it doesn't make sense by talking about back to the future and then everybody accepts it.
1:16:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
1:16:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, KJ says if you could rent a movie theater for a weekend, what movies would you show for a weekend film festival.
1:16:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a great.
1:16:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That'd be a whole show.
1:16:17
[SPEAKER_01]: I am very happy KJ that I saw this question go by in the chat at 20 minutes ago, because I actually had a little time to think about it.
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So I have an answer, which is I've said for years that I think
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the great underappreciated runs of any director of all time is Rob Reiner's first set of film.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So I'm going to have a Rob Reiner film festival.
1:16:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what we're going to do on Friday night.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_01]: We're going to have a double feature of this is spinal tap and the sure thing.
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_01]: That's his first two films on Saturday.
1:16:51
[SPEAKER_01]: We go into three movies, stand by me.
1:16:53
[SPEAKER_01]: The Princess bride and when Harry Met Sally, who's an incredible great day.
1:16:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And then on Sunday, we finish up with misery, a few good men and the American president.
1:17:04
[SPEAKER_01]: We're skipping north of all of this was Rob Reiner's first set of movies and I think that is one of the greatest runs of a director of all time.
1:17:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's amazing.
1:17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I would beg you to do a second showing of when Harry Matt Sally on Sunday night.
1:17:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So you have four movies on a Sunday, but I don't know if that would be allowed.
1:17:30
[SPEAKER_01]: The ones I've listed, I have no questions about any of those movies.
1:17:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Everyone of those I love.
1:17:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what I would do.
1:17:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I didn't get a chance to look at this question at a time.
1:17:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So I guess I would.
1:17:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I would.
1:17:44
[SPEAKER_00]: It'd be very tough.
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to come back to that.
1:17:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, maybe down the road, we do a short.
1:17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll do that.
1:17:48
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, I'm sure Superman.
1:17:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure back to the future.
1:17:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure these like really popular four quadrant films would be the approach I would have in the day time.
1:17:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And then in the night time, a little darker stuff like Godfather Part 2 or
1:18:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Lawrence of Arabia, possibly, there's a theme here.
1:18:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the thing.
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd have to have a little more time to think about a theme on the approach I would have for it.
1:18:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It would just be John Rokus, favorite fucking movies.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my theme.
1:18:14
[SPEAKER_01]: But I think I, I see, I want the outlaw film festivals that I want all Westerns, culminating with unforgiving, maybe at the end.
1:18:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it would be searchers in the afternoon on Sunday, then unforgiving at the end.
1:18:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, 100%.
1:18:29
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the way it would go.
1:18:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would have to slide in, make this in seven on Saturday.
1:18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a Saturday movie for sure, maybe a more unusual Western or a horror Western or a noari violent, you know, like something you could, I would add something that you, you didn't talk about.
1:18:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I would do a midnight screening.
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Friday night, that would be bone Tomahawk.
1:18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be that.
1:18:51
[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
1:18:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a great suggestion.
1:18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, I'm a horror western in there, a hundred percent.
1:18:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me think about it.
1:18:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to curate a whole western thing and have some fun with it.
1:19:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe even though Django and Chained in there, maybe that's the Saturday night with Tarantino doing a Q&A afterwards.
1:19:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Kages, would you put back the future on a list of movie franchises that should have been limited to a single film?
1:19:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So here's what's interesting about the statement is that I think some of these trilogies, the original was marred, yeah, the sequels, matrix being the real one, because because jaws, there's matrix in the in the sequels is like this is part of a whole story.
1:19:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and therefore it makes you go back and think about the original matrix and it becomes slightly less good.
1:19:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, whereas jaws sequels to jaws have no effect on jaws like they never you know what I mean like and and to me at least sequels to die hard although none of them live up to the original.
1:19:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They don't really affect die hard for me and and and the same is true back to the future like people you know a lot most people like too much more than I do and a lot of people like three so.
1:20:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm fine that they exist whereas the matrix I kind of wish we only had one move.
1:20:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is a case by case basis, as you're saying.
1:20:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So absolutely, I think with Matrix, for some reason, those are the two films affect the overall feeling about the Matrix, because it's a lot of wasted potential that you feel coming out of the Matrix.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_00]: There were so many possibilities.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: In the fact that we have three terrible installments in my opinion, terrible installments.
1:20:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of ruins it.
1:20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But with jaws, you're right.
1:20:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's nothing, in any of the install, although just who's fine, it's nowhere near as good as jaws,
1:20:39
[SPEAKER_00]: pretty terrible.
1:20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: They do not seem to touch jaws because jaws is just on a whole another level.
1:20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like Rocky.
1:20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: All the other installments are great.
1:20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: A Rocky's on a whole another level.
1:20:48
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's just like it's just different.
1:20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's always a case-by-case situation.
1:20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Say we think with diheart.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing can affect diheart, but I think it does help.
1:20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: The diheart three was good and some people like diheart four.
1:20:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Darren Wright.
1:21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been going through some struggles.
1:21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sorry, Darren, but I just want to say thanks, John, and Steve for me being a set of file.
1:21:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You keep me going.
1:21:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Darren.
1:21:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Darren, I remember when you first started watching, I think on YouTube.
1:21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:21:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And you were given a running commentary as you caught up on all of our catalog.
1:21:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
1:21:19
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was great.
1:21:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So we, we love having you as part of the
1:21:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And thanks for letting us ride shotgun whether you as you go through the things you're going through and helping you get through them.
1:21:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Because you could watch and listen to anybody else and anything else, the fact you want to listen to us is very humbling and we appreciate it.
1:21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And we hope we're getting you through the tough times.
1:21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Because there's so many years of episode you can turn to.
1:21:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, Jay back to future is one of the great movie posters of all time.
1:21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you name a better movie poster baby jaws?
1:21:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do we have the movie?
1:21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Well fortunately, K.J.
1:21:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw this message about 20 minutes ago.
1:21:57
[SPEAKER_01]: You guys cheating this guy is cheating you could you when you first talk me about the screen yard and all this stuff you pointed out where the comment thread was.
1:22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
1:22:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So I can't keep it open.
1:22:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Go ahead.
1:22:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So yes, a back to future is a fantastic moving poster.
1:22:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Jaws is one of the great ones.
1:22:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Some of the ones that I was looking at, I love the original metropolis posters.
1:22:20
[SPEAKER_00]: One of them.
1:22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't particularly love metropolis.
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the great one.
1:22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: It's an important film, but not one that I love.
1:22:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I think the, oh, you know, one that I really like because there's this Sol Bass series of posters Vertigo and a lot of those stock ones.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:22:34
[SPEAKER_01]: And his poster for anatomy of a murder.
1:22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, yeah, like black and white body that's cut up.
1:22:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, uh, love that.
1:22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: That's a sense of the lambs is a great poster with the butterfly over the mouth.
1:22:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, those are those are some of the ones that popped out to me.
1:22:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Star Wars one is probably the last one.
1:22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't you think what's the holding of the light savers?
1:22:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even an animal or Princess Leia audit.
1:22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It's all art.
1:22:57
[SPEAKER_00]: The Jews Jews and what's so so amazing.
1:22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So I would have to put that one in there in the mix as well.
1:23:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at some of these
1:23:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, shit, well, I mean, the alien one is amazing.
1:23:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.
1:23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: The egg breaking there with the green mist coming out of it.
1:23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a phenomenal one.
1:23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Jaws can't be touched.
1:23:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we've talked about that.
1:23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Jaws personally.
1:23:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a classic godfather poster that's all black.
1:23:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah, this is great one.
1:23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Blender poster is amazing as well.
1:23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Fantastic.
1:23:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Different characters coming through there on that one as well.
1:23:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, there are some really great posters that have gone through the years.
1:23:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I always used to sit and watch, like sitting read the books, the table books that had the posters.
1:23:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, the apocalypse now one.
1:23:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, with Brando dripping with sweat and sheen right behind him in the sun.
1:23:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an amazing
1:23:48
[SPEAKER_01]: The pulp fiction one that has sort of the it's a little weather looking because it looks like an old pulp fiction, but oh, yeah You know like an old beat up paperback.
1:23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:23:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep
1:23:59
[SPEAKER_00]: James P says, let's just be saying, I love back to future partly because my parents loved it.
1:24:05
[SPEAKER_00]: They related to 1955 when they were young, 80s filmed that we all enjoyed together, do you have a film like that?
1:24:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Steve, do you have a film that your family and you from the 1980s just always enjoy watching together or have a good experience from?
1:24:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think of one that we, you know, it's, it's weird to say, but watching movies as a, hey, the family's all going to get together and watch the same movie again, that actually didn't happen that much.
1:24:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I know you had Godfather and a bunch other films that were regulars with your family.
1:24:36
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to think if there were, it's a wonderful life, definitely.
1:24:39
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
1:24:40
[SPEAKER_01]: But I'm trying to think of like 80s ones that we were karate kid was a big one.
1:24:43
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in my household, Rocky was a big one.
1:24:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, not sure.
1:24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, um, I mean, Amadeus, obviously, that was one of my mom and dad certainly loved.
1:24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how much my brother or sister loved Amadeus.
1:24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember talking too much about that.
1:24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, we used to go to the film all the time, the theaters all the time as a family.
1:25:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So we would see a lot of films together.
1:25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: But I'm trying to remember one that we like saw over and over again that we just loved seeing.
1:25:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that one necessarily leaps to mind.
1:25:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's mainly because I've seen so many goddamn movies, you know, in the theater.
1:25:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So it just kind of all mixes into itself.
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... this field of brilliance as i've seen the broadway back to the future twilight all the music all that's right twice and the north american tour twice amazing highly recommend yeah and that was uh... is a mechus's wife who suggested a musical for back to the future after she saw a musical for young frankenstein what you saw the young frankenstein music she was like you can do music on back to the future and bob gale wrote the book for it so it was intimately involved you've ever seen the musical or anything from the
1:25:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it when it was on tour in LA, it's really, really well done.
1:25:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's such a weird thing with these sort of making musicals out of movies, world.
1:25:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Because what it is is you already know the movie, you know, 90% of the people that go to see that musical I assume have seen the movie.
1:26:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:26:02
[SPEAKER_01]: And so you're going to re-experience the same thing in a different way.
1:26:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the thrill of it is, how are they going to reinterpret it?
1:26:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:26:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I remember walking out of that musical thinking, I can't remember one song.
1:26:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Like not one song was a tune that I could hum, that made me like,
1:26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, really excited.
1:26:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's okay.
1:26:25
[SPEAKER_01]: The special effect that they use for the car and for time travel is amazing.
1:26:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It's a rare projection thing and there's the delorean on stage that spins on a, you know, turn table with different effects happening.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_01]: And so there's all sorts of things that are done technically in a way that's really, really cool.
1:26:44
[SPEAKER_01]: They remove the Libby interiors.
1:26:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because for obvious reasons.
1:26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, and so that changes, and so the, you know, it's like, you, you, from a center file point of view is what's interesting is like, okay, you take this central plot point out.
1:27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And then how do they replace it and what changes?
1:27:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And there were a bunch of things that changed that I don't remember what all of them were, which were interesting.
1:27:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I, do I think it's a great musical?
1:27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I do not.
1:27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:27:14
[SPEAKER_01]: If you love back to the future, do I think it's well with your time as a fun way to experience back to the future in a different way that's
1:27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Do they do more justice to the female characters in the in the musical or is it pretty much not not to my memory, but I saw it, you know, once a few years ago, so I'm not like I'd have the best response.
1:27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, right all.
1:27:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't or substance is I guys my family love back to the future saw parts two and three in the theater with my parents.
1:27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Also got to experience back to future ride at Universal Studios in the 90s.
1:27:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that.
1:27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: I did that a lot of fun.
1:27:46
[SPEAKER_01]: It's the pre-verge because now it's the Simpsons in the same space.
1:27:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: It was it to me the the back of the future ride was I had a friend who was an Imagineer at Disneyland who worked at Disneyland in the 80s on Star Tours.
1:28:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And what they said is that the name that they gave the Imagineers working on Star Tours were the vomiters because when the because it's a flight simulator and when the motion doesn't perfectly match with the video, you have a disconnect and you puked and and I always remember that because when I've gone to the universal either Simpsons or back to the future because on those rides you're on three cars within the space.
1:28:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And it never quite sinks.
1:28:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I always feel nauseous.
1:28:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I felt nauseous at the end of back to the future.
1:28:33
[SPEAKER_01]: And I felt nauseous at the end of the Simpsons right now.
1:28:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it quite works well for me.
1:28:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:28:39
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I love it.
1:28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The more motion the better, I'm kind of I'd love that.
1:28:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the the 3D one, the Harry Potter 3D one they had for a long time.
1:28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I would get off work.
1:28:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes if I had an hour to kill and I would ride the ride over and over and over again, because I didn't have to wait in line as an employee.
1:28:54
[SPEAKER_00]: I could just go right.
1:28:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
1:28:55
[SPEAKER_00]: to the front of the line, and they would get me in there, and I would ride with the next crew.
1:29:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And I love it.
1:29:03
[SPEAKER_00]: The more motion, the better rollercoasters, all of it.
1:29:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm fan of it.
1:29:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm think God, I don't have that motion issue.
1:29:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Shannon has that motion issue.
1:29:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, he is a major.
1:29:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I'm very happy that's one of the faults I don't, or one of the issues I don't have with that kind of stuff, because yeah, I hear you, man.
1:29:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I hear you about the motion stuff.
1:29:24
[SPEAKER_00]: on the win surfing win gliding, whatever we were doing for shannard one time it was not it was crazy from that kind of stuff for sure all right well there you go that's all the questions Steve we don't have any stream labs that have come through unless some of you sent them and I don't see anything here so I think we're going to wrap it up there fight of thoughts here as we end our discussion on back to the future franchise 40 years later after the first movie came out.
1:29:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I, it's one of those movies I really, really enjoy every single time I see it and mostly it's because of just all those talented people and all the little tiny details of that film I find it's so much fun and Michael J.
1:30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Fox is so unbelievably great like what he does walk into that film is incredible will I watch to again in my lifetime maybe not a maybe I'll watch it with my kid he hasn't seen either two or three.
1:30:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I totally watch three again.
1:30:19
[SPEAKER_01]: I think three is a lot of fun.
1:30:20
[SPEAKER_01]: It's revisiting characters in a new circumstance that I really enjoy and it's a lot of fun to watch.
1:30:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Do I think it's a great movie?
1:30:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:30:26
[SPEAKER_01]: No, but I do totally totally like it.
1:30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:30:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say it's still a magical franchise still.
1:30:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that it endures and people are going back to the theater to see it, even all these years later, four decades later, I think speaks volumes to the kind of magic that film still has.
1:30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of those films you can pass on from generation to generation, because it never gets old.
1:30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: It is in that camp with sound of music.
1:30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: It's in that camp with all of these type of films that you just can pass on to multiple generations to enjoy.
1:30:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's the gift of it.
1:30:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve is right Michael J. Foxes performance is a highlighted earlier.
1:31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those things that just keeps you coming back, but it's the relationships.
1:31:04
[SPEAKER_00]: It's everything that they go through in that first movie in connecting and progressing and evolving it would have you and then where we go to next in those two and three movies less so and two but certainly in three we get a little bit more of that in different.
1:31:18
[SPEAKER_00]: scenarios and different environments and that's really fantastic to see, but there's magic here and the potential of just fun family enjoyment and sometimes films don't have to be groundbreaking and change the way you view the world.
1:31:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes films can be enjoyable and be really well written and fun to experience overall and make you feel a little bit of mainstream artistry behind their creation.
1:31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So great.
1:31:44
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and I realized that, unfortunately, he reminded me, we have also a question from Adam McAllister from Patreon.
1:31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
1:31:53
[SPEAKER_01]: That's been sitting here in my notes, and then I totally forgot about it, fortunately Adam is watching the live show and reminded us.
1:32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says, one of the most frustrating moments from part two is when old Biff gives the sports almond act to his younger self.
1:32:10
[SPEAKER_01]: without immediately disappearing or facing the consequences of altering the timeline, what are your thoughts on this and other frustrating plot holes from the trilogy?
1:32:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, as Steve said earlier, it's best how to think about the science.
1:32:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Does the moment work?
1:32:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And because you, it sticks out to you, the moment didn't work.
1:32:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And other stuff that they have plot holes with the science throughout the franchise,
1:32:37
[SPEAKER_00]: those don't stick out for you because the moment's work or the surrounding scenes around it work, so much for you that you ignore it.
1:32:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the ones that do stick out stick out because the surrounding scenes or the storylines or the construction of this, that section of the film doesn't work, which is why it sticks out the way it does.
1:32:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's exactly the point is like, if the story stuff is working and you're involved, you won't bump on the fact that something didn't quite, my favorite example of this of all time, which I know we talked about years ago when we did Armageddon is in Armageddon, they Bruce Willis is on the rig in the South China Sea, and they fly him by supersonic jet, leaving his crew on the rig.
1:33:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And they say it would spend 23 hours.
1:33:21
[SPEAKER_01]: This is the fastest you could get back here.
1:33:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And now we're having the meeting.
1:33:24
[SPEAKER_01]: He says, well, I need my team.
1:33:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And his team, who he left 23 hours before on the rig, is now spread over the United States with different jobs and different, as if they've made zero sense.
1:33:38
[SPEAKER_01]: It is 100% satisfying.
1:33:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you just, you have so much fun in the montage of rap getting the guys that you don't think about it.
1:33:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you don't think about it.
1:33:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It didn't matter.
1:33:48
[SPEAKER_01]: I think in this particular case, I'm going to give you a head cannon explanation.
1:33:53
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, why it's okay for Biff.
1:33:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I asked before, when Marty messes up the future in the first movie, why doesn't he just cease to exist right away?
1:34:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Why are the people fading out of the photographs?
1:34:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's only as he gets to playing guitar doing Johnny B.
1:34:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Good that you see it starting to affect him.
1:34:11
[SPEAKER_01]: So there is a lag time
1:34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: between when the change in the timeline happens, and when that effect happens to the people that should be changed, right?
1:34:20
[SPEAKER_01]: So old Biff doesn't immediately cease to exist.
1:34:24
[SPEAKER_01]: That's why he can make it back to his timeline, but he's sick, maybe having a heart attack and soon that timeline will fade away just like people were fading out of the photograph.
1:34:33
[SPEAKER_01]: That is my explanation.
1:34:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That'll work, that'll work.
1:34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: You.
1:34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael McKenzie, one final question.
1:34:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey fellas, if you got your hands on the delorean,
1:34:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Where would you go?
1:34:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I would want to see my grandfather who's the only family member I haven't met.
1:34:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's a great.
1:34:48
[SPEAKER_01]: Clearly, Michael, you did not pay attention to the movie because the delorean has to be destroyed because it is so dangerous.
1:34:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Don't obviously, I wouldn't go anywhere.
1:34:56
[SPEAKER_01]: For me, I'll get I'll go back to the Simpsons where he goes back in time and destroy things and changes the future.
1:35:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Probably a family thing, but I'm not quite sure what I don't know.
1:35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
1:35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Leah Thompson was asked this in the recent interview in the Guardian, and she said, well, I'm a woman.
1:35:13
[SPEAKER_00]: So I wouldn't want to go back to any time because no time was good for women.
1:35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, you know what, that's a valid point.
1:35:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a valid point.
1:35:19
[SPEAKER_00]: But for us as dudes, um, if I got my hands on a delay, where would I go?
1:35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, the Beatles in Shea.
1:35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Elvis.
1:35:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We'd rather see a good concert.
1:35:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly.
1:35:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, just seeing the Beatles live.
1:35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: But wouldn't you rather go to see them?
1:35:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Would they be, that is, would you?
1:35:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd rather be on the rooftop for the LED concert.
1:35:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, but that gets cut off.
1:35:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, yeah, I guess you're right.
1:35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Cause she doesn't have a terrible life.
1:35:45
[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't hear themselves.
1:35:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:35:47
[SPEAKER_00]: No, you make a great point.
1:35:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Or be in the rooftop.
1:35:51
[SPEAKER_01]: or be in the, what's the, what's the, the tavern club or, but that's early because I want to see later beetles.
1:35:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:36:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Or Elvis and Hawaii.
1:36:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to have been in the audience to see Elvis and Hawaii there or the 68 comeback special.
1:36:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah.
1:36:10
[SPEAKER_00]: It's tough.
1:36:11
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of places I'd like to go back and I'm not going to avoid and you've got to avoid the whole killing Hitler and all that.
1:36:17
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a nonsense.
1:36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:36:18
[SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be something a little more personal.
1:36:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think, um, in the end there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I mean, or maybe be on set with, like, be a PA or an assistant on citizen came and watching well shoot the whole movie like to have been on set and survive him not yelling at me or firing me.
1:36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't hear you yell at you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you, and you know what, and you would like it, you would be, you would, you would be terrible, but you would have that memory forever.
1:36:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god.
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1:36:58
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I would be more about don't worry, Orson.
1:37:01
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the best you've got to get.
1:37:02
[SPEAKER_01]: This is it.
1:37:03
[SPEAKER_01]: You're now peaking.
1:37:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Enjoy everybody.
1:37:05
[SPEAKER_01]: What's really crazy about you going back to that set?
1:37:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that you are a PA who's like, you know, a adult man.
1:37:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yes.
1:37:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Your twice his age.
1:37:14
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
1:37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
1:37:16
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what's really crazy.
1:37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
1:37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, there you go.
1:37:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's our conversation on the back to the future franchise and specifically of course the back to the future movie celebrating its 40th anniversary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially a big thank you to Shannon McClung who joined us here to have a conversation about the back to the future franchise Steve.
1:37:46
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you want to say to wrap up and what do we want to tell these fun folks?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well the first thing is that tomorrow we're going to re-release our two part episode is just one episode.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be like four and a half five hour long episode with our original conversation on back to the future with Shannon and Michael Vogel, which I love that will go out tomorrow.
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