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Spirit Boxes, True Crime, & TikTok Lives… Oh My! Exploiting Deaths for Profit in the Paranormal Community · Paranormal Lens - A Crossroads Of Curiosities, LLC Production

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  Welcome back to Paranormal Lens. On this week's
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  very exciting episode, we will be talking about
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  people on TikTok and YouTube that exploit celebrity
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  deaths for profit and views, all through a paranormal
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  lens. Welcome to our podcast, where we take deep
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  dives looking at various topics through a paranormal
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  lens. I think that's the shortest, like, to -the
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  -point intro we've ever had. I really think it
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  is. Like, it didn't even feel... Yeah, no, like,
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  Ben was just like, we are doing this now. We're
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  getting to the point. This is what we're doing.
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  After last week's, I knew something had to be
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  done. I don't think there was anything wrong
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  with last week. What do you mean? What was wrong
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  with last week? Should we tell... So, if you...
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  listen to last week's and you're worried we'll
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  go down this path of repeating it don't we're
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  not i just want to tell the listeners that angela
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  was talking about very inappropriate ads um and
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  then we played rock paper scissors three times
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  um all before even mentioning what the topic
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  was so uh we're not doing that today today we're
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  getting right to the point because this is I
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  feel like this past year, do you guys feel like
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  this past year there's been a lot of celebrity
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  deaths? What celebrities have died? I honestly
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  haven't paid attention. I feel terrible. Like
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  Ozzy, once Ozzy died. Oh yeah. Rest in peace.
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  I feel like a lot of like... there's been a lot
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  of uh notable people that i've just been hearing
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  about the celebrity deaths you know everywhere
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  from at work you know in the meetings you know
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  when you see people they're like oh my god so
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  and so just died you see the news and you go
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  on tiktok and it's uh you know a uh someone with
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  their spirit box and um you know all aboard the
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  crazy train comes through their radio because
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  i never like knew people did this angela where
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  have you i mean lucky you we we were mentioning
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  to angela like hey you know there's all these
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  people that exploit the celebrity deaths uh it's
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  been going on for years lucky i mean if we did
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  this five years ago we might have to break our
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  rule calling out individual people because there
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  used to be one main player in the space on youtube
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  um but now it's like everywhere everyone on tiktok
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  it happens every time every time a celebrity
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  dies people take out their spirit box and one
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  of two things is happening one either like i
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  kind of alluded to it's a singer that dies and
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  they use devices that tap into their radio so
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  they just hear the songs every radio station
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  plays you know as tribute or these are all notable
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  figures and they just are faking it or they're
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  taking i guess there's three things that could
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  be happening or they're misinterpreting actual
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  voices and like just hearing what they want to
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  hear yeah either way i know like there's one
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  case in particular that like i think of when
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  we when you brought off up the topic was that
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  um uh what was it that um there was a couple
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  like last year where the husband possibly like
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  killed his wife or something and they were out
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  on a hike or out in the woods and like they couldn't
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  prove anything because like he was posting the
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  whole time from her account i don't remember
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  the name of them oh it's like a true crime yeah
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  it was a true crime thing wasn't one of the names
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  gabby or yeah i'm saying i think so and like
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  after it like she went missing and he had like
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  Gabby Petito. Yeah, Petito. That's what it was.
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  We're paranormal. We don't mix it and match the
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  true crime and paranormal. I don't like true
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  crime stuff. I like true crime, but I feel like
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  I used to do a lot of it when I paid more attention
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  to it back in the day. Do you know what's funny?
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  Kind of like a small little sidetrack, but when
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  I talk to people about me liking the paranormal
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  into the stuff like that they automatically like
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  like clump in like true true crime yeah and i
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  don't know why yeah i mean like yeah like i hate
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  you let's go down this rabbit hole for a second
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  just because we got to it sorry brie but it no
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  it's fine it's it kind of taps into this whole
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  thing is like true crime now is either one of
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  two things either just repetitive and boring
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  or it's glorifying glorifying and exploiting
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  deaths for profit and for views so Yeah. And
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  it kind of goes in line with what we're talking
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  about. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was about
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  to say is like what happened with the Petito
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  case was like all these people came out of the
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  woodworks like, oh, I'm getting messages that
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  this is where the body is or this is where the
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  guy's hiding or this is what happened. And it's
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  like, but at the same time, there was all the
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  stuff going on in Canada with like. native american
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  children being found and and everyone's like
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  where are all these psychics like when it comes
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  to this sort of stuff yeah so you can only care
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  about the yeah the bigger yeah so it's like all
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  of these people were like tapping into these
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  popular cases true crime cases that were going
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  on but nothing was being talked about about the
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  minor stuff or not even the minor stuff that
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  was it was also big at the time but like it's
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  just not um trending and there's no available
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  information online to psychically quote unquote
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  psychically tap into aka google um or to pull
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  from if you want to pull real voices um yeah
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  to put in your your spirit box um but you're
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  tapping into something brie that i guess is i
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  didn't even think of them in the same category
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  until now but do you think um because we had
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  a case and there are people out there that are
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  they work with law enforcement they're like psychics
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  and there's this one lady at the festival oddities
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  even that we did that came up to us and she gave
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  us her business card and she was trying to sell
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  her book to us that she's written several books
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  that she alleges she solved not officially it's
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  not legally solved but she claims through her
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  visions and her psychic impressions that she
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  solved a number of cold cases and she's selling
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  books about it do you lump those people in the
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  same category as what's the line yeah between
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  that and as you're describing with is it just
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  new technology so so the thing is is i i'm more
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  of thinking like the mainstream things i feel
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  like yes in some sense they can be lumped in
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  together but when it's a mainstream topic mainstream
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  case mainstream person a celebrity and people
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  immediately hop on that bandwagon because it's
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  so like big in that moment to just essentially
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  gain traction of people who have that clickbait
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  or the trending hashtag or whatever they're doing
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  that to get the views they're doing it to get
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  the likes they're doing it to get themselves
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  out there because it's a trending thing so like
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  people this was trending and i just that's so
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  funny to me that people when you're talking like
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  when you're talking about the that certain individual
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  who um helped solve true crime like supposedly
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  helped solve some cold cases. None of them were
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  necessarily trending, right? They were cold cases.
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  They weren't anything that someone that every
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  single household knows about. So I feel like
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  it falls in different categories. A little bit,
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  yeah. But once I feel like there starts to be
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  somewhat of a similarity when you start selling
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  books like is that that component like the profit
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  yeah yeah yeah now did this lady um i don't remember
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  this conversation but did this i don't even like
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  when she said that she saw she believes that
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  she saw some of these like missing peoples or
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  murder cases these true crime cases or whatever
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  is she involving like the details of whatever
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  this true crime is or is it basically talking
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  about her psychic abilities and how she thinks
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  she solved a few but doesn't go into the details
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  of what these are I would hesitate from going
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  down this rabbit hole too much just because I
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  didn't read the book but from what I gathered
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  from her from what I gathered from this scenario
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  and this isn't like an isolated instance there's
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  other people like this out there that make similar
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  books she this case has not been solved yet it's
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  just like presenting her evidence whatever that
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  looks like as to who she believes or what happened
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  with this missing person um just like presenting
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  a case so to speak based on her psychic testimony
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  you know i just feel like personally because
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  there it's it is the thing where um like what
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  is it like police departments or whatever they
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  they might hire psychics to help um figure out
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  these missing people cases or what other cases
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  are happening like this is a thing like you can't
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  deny that so what i'm wondering is if people
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  are so determined thinking that their ability
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  like their abilities are right and they generally
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  actually feel like they may have figured out
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  or solved a case i feel like the police should
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  like look into it to an extent and see you know
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  well i feel like there's two routes to go there's
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  the in private or you know behind the scenes
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  so to speak you go to law enforcement or maybe
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  you um if they don't listen you try to gather
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  as much evidence that proves what you saw or
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  there's a route where you go and do the media
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  blitz and you sell a book. I feel like that angle
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  of it kind of taps a little bit into the exploitation
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  category, which again is speaking to a larger
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  conversation about true crime and its place within
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  the paranormal field, which I don't think we
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  intended on talking about this episode, but I'm
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  glad we got it. Yeah, I'm glad. we somehow got
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  to this place and uh they really do kind of go
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  hand in hand especially when you talk about the
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  gabby petito stuff um and that was not too long
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  ago either yeah that was like last summer yeah
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  i think it was two two summers ago yeah i don't
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  know like i said i didn't really follow it It
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  was literally just like every couple scrolls
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  on TikTok was some sort of psychic or some sort
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  of true crime page that was like, oh, this is
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  new evidence or new things about the Petito case.
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  And I'm like... I don't need it. Stop. I got,
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  for a while after Lorraine Warren died, every
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  ghost hunter was talking to Lorraine Warren on
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  the spirit box. I wouldn't be surprised about
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  that now. I think that pissed off some people,
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  I think, in that circle. Yeah. Like who? Just
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  the people that are... We did a whole episode
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  on NLR and Warren. I believe we alluded to the
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  Warren cult. The cult of Warren. Now, I will
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  say though. I feel that's a little harsh. I will
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  say, if someone was doing automatic painting
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  kind of like on a street corner kind of channeling
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  their inner ed as kind of like a fun way to pay
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  homage, I wouldn't mind. But the whole Believing
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  you're talking to Lorraine Warren through a spirit
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  box after she died and everyone is also talking
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  to her ghost. That does fall into that category
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  of celebrity deaths and public personas that
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  it does come off as exploitation and profiting
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  off deaths for profit. Plus, that elephant in
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  the room. Everyone knows Lorraine Warren. How
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  many people, how many of these ghost hunters
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  does Larian Warren know? Why would? None of them,
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  most likely. Why would? What's a good, like,
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  fake ghost hunter name? Um, just Zip. Zip Farron.
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  I don't know. Zip Farron? I have no idea. Why
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  would Zip Farron in rural Iowa... Just watch.
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  This is a real group or name out there. Just
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  watch. What do we have to put? What do the books
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  say? This is entirely fiction and doesn't...
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  Any resemblance of a real person is entirely
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  coincidental. It's not even a synchronicity.
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  It's just... So anyway, Zip Farron in rural Iowa.
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  he's never met lorraine warren he's never talked
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  to lorraine warren he discovered who she was
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  a week ago when he was scrolling on tiktok and
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  saw that she died he turns on his spirit box
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  and suddenly every voice is her why would she
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  be talking to him yeah is this how ghosts work
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  our ghosts do you have to have a connection to
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  a ghost in order to for them to communicate with
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  you Can you conjure a ghost to communicate with
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  you? Do they listen? Are they tethered to certain
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  places? Can 500 people theoretically even be
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  talking to Lauren Warren or anybody at the same
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  time with no connection to them after they died?
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  Hmm. Is this even possible? Hmm. Hmm. I tend
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  to go down the avenue of like Occam's razor.
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  Like, you know, you go start with the simplest
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  explanation and this just seems very far fetched
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  and far reaching to think that all these people
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  who have no connection to the celebrity and have
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  no reason why they would be talking to these
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  people are communicating and the family members
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  of the celebrities aren't having any interactions
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  at all. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be wild. It's wild.
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  I feel like you can they can try and talk to
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  whoever but realistically you're not talking
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  to them. You know? It's kind of like what's a
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  well -known entity or spirit at a haunted location.
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  um zozo like no no like annabelle it's not real
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  annabelle yeah yeah zozo's not real so say we
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  did a whole episode guys on uh zozo as well and
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  annabelle and annabelle so say you you're like
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  in your house you turn on the spirit box and
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  you're gonna try to talk to annabelle the doll
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  You're not going to be talking to Annabelle the
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  doll. Like, that's stupid. Like, anyone who thinks
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  that, that's not going to happen. Okay, but I
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  jokingly said Zozo, but it is an interesting
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  conundrum we've walked into right now. People
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  have Zozo encounters all the time. There's probably,
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  you know, at any given time, like, if I encounter
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  Zozo, theoretically right now someone in california
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  could also be talking to zozo at the same time
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  i don't know zozo i didn't conjure zozo but multiple
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  people are experiencing zozo so why can't that
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  be the same for other entities is it just because
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  zozo is allegedly a demon i think i think of
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  it as that zozo is associated with the ouija
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  boards and that's how you can communicate and
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  talk to Zozo is through a board. I don't think
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  Zozo comes through a spirit box. Okay, so that's
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  still an element. That makes sense. There's that
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  tether. There's that piece of it. The board.
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  And that essentially is, even if it's not a physical
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  tether, puts you in that state of mind. Yeah,
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  like, yeah. But, if you're on TikTok and You
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  are going live, and a million people are watching,
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  all hoping that Annabelle comes through. Could
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  that create a genuine encounter with Annabelle,
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  even if it's an egregore in a way? Yeah, kind
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  of like an egregore. All these people are coming
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  together and hoping. And trying to communicate.
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  With whatever. Maybe they are conjuring it. Wait
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  so TikTok lives. Sound like a virtual seance.
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  Oh yeah. Kind of yeah. I don't like any of this.
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  This sounds way too complicated. TikTok live
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  is a virtual seance. You got all these people.
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  Focused in on something. You have energy source.
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  Your phone. You have intent. In your mind, you
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  have millions of people coming together, watching
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  the same thing at the same time, focused on the
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  same words and the same everything on the screen
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  that's happening, and they are invested. Half
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  the people, probably more, have headphones in,
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  probably even noise -canceling headphones. They
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  are, to some degree, isolated in this environment,
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  or at least auditorily. Auditorily? We're going
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  with it. At least they have some of their senses
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  deprived and fully immersed in the environment
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  of this communication session. This sounds like
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  a seance. They can communicate in real time with
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  a person. It's not like a static video. Yeah.
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  So could someone be communicating with Lorraine
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  Warren? Maybe. I'm going to still say no. I'm
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  going to say no too. I'm going to say no. Like
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  the likelihood is so... low I just Anna veers
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  into exploitation territory well it also has
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  to do with intent like their intent isn't really
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  to try and talk to Lorraine Warren their intent
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  is to get views and to get attention I mean,
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  it could be their intent to communicate with
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  her, but literally with how things are nowadays
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  in social media, are most people just trying
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  to do things for views anyways? It really isn't
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  at this point about just putting work out there
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  for fun. Most people are doing it for attention.
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  attention, validation, views. Ironically, they're
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  doing the Warren method. Yeah. Why we're not
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  popular is because we're not really doing it
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  for attention. We're doing it because we generally
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  enjoy it. We're popular. We made almost a dollar
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  on the podcast. Listen, once beyond the afterlife.
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  We're so rich. Once beyond the afterlife goes
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  the life. I'm telling you. What? Sorry. Cat trying
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  to steal hair tie off wrist. The foot on your
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  neck. That sounds like a code. Like, you know,
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  in hospitals, they say, like, code brown, code
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  blue. This is code cat? Cat. Cat. Hair tie. Wrist.
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  You didn't say and. You just said, like, very,
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  like, straight. Cat. Hair tie. Wrist. Whiskey.
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  Tango. Foxtrot. That's like the same. I don't
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  know where they got the hair tie from, but Daisy
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  stole it and Yo -Kai ran into the room crying
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  and I had to take it from Daisy. Angela just
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  put on an official ghost hunter button. Okay,
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  so Brianna's getting her hair tie stolen. Angela's
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  putting her hair ties on. It's not a hair tie.
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  It's not a hair tie. That's a button. A button.
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  Yeah, yeah. Okay. You little weirdo. What the
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  heck is wrong with you? Listen, I'm just trying
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  to fill this time. What isn't wrong with Ben?
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  That's a whole separate podcast, you guys. Next
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  podcast. Next podcast. What is wrong with Ben?
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  What is wrong with Ben? Anyway, where were we?
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  What's the topic? I was saying once Beyond the
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  Afterlife goes live, we'll be popular. You guys
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  will see. We'll sell all this What's the Topic
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  t -shirts. The t -shirts should say, what's the
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  t -shirt? Wait, what's this t -shirt? We'll have
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  What's the Topic t -shirts and Uncle Bunkable
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  name tags. And a button that says, this is my
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  hair tie. This is my hate. Listen, what's wrong
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  with me? I'm just a bit bot. I just create all
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  these bits and inside jokes and all the people
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  listening love that about me. I'm a bit machine.
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  We'll have stickers with our hate comments on
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  them too. Oh my gosh. I'm so excited for that.
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  I'm so excited for that. There's some good ones
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  out there. There's some good ones. Where do we
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  go from here? I don't know. I kind of got lost
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  in the sauce there. Yeah, same. So to wrap things
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  up then, because we might be ending this one
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  early, but that's only because I think this conversation
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  has run its course. We're in the rambling, getting
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  to the end of... Oh, there was one part of this
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  that I wanted to talk about. We talked about
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  it for like... five seconds let's go back into
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  it yeah you mentioned spirit boxes for like five
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  seconds and you're like yeah like when um we
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  have pop singers or artists who pass away and
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  then people are listening to radio station or
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  like using spirit boxes and they happen to hear
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  part of their song come through it's like uh
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  yeah spirit boxes they they're a thing and they're
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  a great tool for investigating But I don't know
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  your guys' opinion. It is not the most reliable
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  piece of equipment either. I think we've all
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  talked about it and agreed on that. They're great
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  for a crowd. Yeah, it's great for a crowd. But
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  for one, it is literally a device that rotates
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  very fast through radio frequencies it's intentionally
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  a broken radio yeah so yeah and it is to create
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  white noise but when a place where you have interference
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  in those radio waves you're gonna get interference
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  and hear what's music music voices commercials
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  like and first time beginner investigators and
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  i see it a lot like on social media or in um
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  shows where they're like oh my gosh this was
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  a like a voice and it dead ass just sounds like
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  part of a state farm commercial yeah yeah we
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  did paranormal society in college and we would
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  train the new freshmen on the equipment we would
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  always tell them yes this is to create white
• 25:55
  noise but You're going to get interference. And
• 26:01
  typically. You are not. Anything that is less
• 26:05
  than one syllable. Is just interference. Mostly.
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  But also it is a radio. Like it is. If you don't
• 26:15
  sweep. It will just play the radio. And you should
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  always. Take a baseline. If you're getting. a
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  whole bunch of interference right off the bat
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  that isn't relevant to your questions, conversation,
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  anything, you're probably just in a high frequency
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  area where there's a lot of interference and
• 26:35
  Spirit Box isn't going to be a good tool to use.
• 26:38
  But say you're in the middle of a, like, middle
• 26:42
  of nowhere where you have no interference and
• 26:45
  all you're getting is white noise. And then all
• 26:48
  of a sudden, like, 15, 20 minutes later, something
• 26:51
  comes through. That's probably something. Another
• 26:57
  thing, too, is all your broken radio is just
• 27:01
  working. Yeah. Like, you hear one of the stations,
• 27:04
  it's sweeping. Yeah. Or it's just being a radio.
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  There's many, I'm just saying there's many reasons.
• 27:11
  There's so many explanations. Like, we do use
• 27:16
  Spirit Box a lot. In our investigations. Paired
• 27:19
  with other devices. But usually we pair it with
• 27:21
  other things. To help validate what we're hearing.
• 27:25
  Exactly. Or through something like the SS method.
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  Which we're not going to go into on this episode.
• 27:30
  What the SS method is. We'll do that on a later
• 27:32
  podcast. But you know my opinion. To be honest.
• 27:38
  Changed about the spirit box a while ago. I don't
• 27:40
  think any voice. Is a spirit voice. Really? I
• 27:45
  think I know what you're going to say. Synchronicity.
• 27:48
  I think it's all synchronicity. I think it's
• 27:50
  a big channeling type of thing. You're hearing
• 27:53
  this white noise. I do think still that ghosts
• 27:58
  or spirits can come through and interfere and
• 28:02
  speak through that. But that's the thing. It's
• 28:05
  still a theoretical piece of equipment. I feel
• 28:09
  like all ghost hunting equipment is. Hear me
• 28:12
  out. All I'm saying is if. I've said this before,
• 28:17
  I don't necessarily know if I believe in intelligent
• 28:20
  hauntings. I think most, if not all, hauntings
• 28:24
  are residual, or just energy. So, going off that,
• 28:29
  just as context, if you have back -and -forth,
• 28:33
  quote -unquote, communication with the spirit,
• 28:34
  if you're talking about, like, Angela says something
• 28:36
  hyper -specific about a serial killer, then you
• 28:38
  hear that very serial killer's name come through
• 28:40
  the spirit box. And then you have a whole conversation,
• 28:44
  responding directly to all your questions. If
• 28:47
  the argument is, oh, it's just the radio, or
• 28:50
  that's just radio interference, that's still
• 28:53
  a synchronistic response to the question you
• 28:57
  asked. Am I wrong? I guess not. If you have a
• 29:02
  full conversation, and to extrapolate that, I
• 29:06
  really think it's more realistic, in my view,
• 29:08
  that all responses are just synchronicities,
• 29:11
  and like Angela said, it's more of like a easier
• 29:14
  way to channel especially if you deprive your
• 29:16
  other senses while doing it so this is my two
• 29:18
  cents don't expect anyone to agree but yeah i
• 29:22
  have i just have to say i don't know if i've
• 29:24
  mentioned this one instance i used a spirit box
• 29:27
  um for an investigation back in college we were
• 29:32
  at the howell opera house and um this is like
• 29:38
  the one like experience with a spirit box that
• 29:42
  i can't explain to be either radio or something
• 29:46
  coming through like some sort of interference
• 29:50
  or even in what you're saying being like a synchronicity
• 29:54
  we were sitting in the balcony of the howell
• 29:58
  opera house just quiet just calm just letting
• 30:01
  things happen and all of a sudden all the whole
• 30:04
  group heard someone yawn but nobody registered
• 30:06
  it And then after a few seconds, we all looked
• 30:08
  around and we're like, wait a minute, who yawned?
• 30:11
  None of us had yawned. And we were going back,
• 30:13
  having this conversation, trying to figure out
• 30:15
  who it is. And at the time, we didn't notice
• 30:17
  it. We had the spirit box playing. I went back
• 30:20
  and listened to the recording, trying to, one,
• 30:23
  hear the yawn, two, hear if there was any other
• 30:26
  EVPs. And the spirit box was going, like I said,
• 30:31
  and a voice came through over multiple different
• 30:34
  channels. and we didn't notice it at the time
• 30:36
  and it said did you yawn the spirit box said
• 30:41
  that yes and you called it after like and we
• 30:44
  like we didn't hear it at the time i heard it
• 30:46
  afterwards listening to the voice recorder and
• 30:50
  like i said it was over multiple channels and
• 30:52
  it was it took that long to say it it wasn't
• 30:55
  like a did you yawn it was a did you yawn do
• 30:59
  you think in a moment you just registered it
• 31:01
  as a real person So you didn't respond or did
• 31:04
  you just completely not hear it? I feel like
• 31:06
  we just completely didn't hear it because we
• 31:08
  were so in depth in like trying to figure out
• 31:11
  who said, like who yawned. I keep saying this
• 31:15
  and I'm so sorry to listeners because I'm probably
• 31:17
  going to trigger you to yawn. But literally we
• 31:24
  were, we just totally blinked out the spirit
• 31:26
  box at that point and had moved on with the conversation.
• 31:29
  We're not thinking about it. It was just, it
• 31:31
  was a. wild to listen back onto and have that
• 31:36
  just be there. Like, the ghosts were even confused
• 31:41
  what had happened. So that would be... That would,
• 31:47
  yeah, except... Like, I wouldn't call that a
• 31:49
  synchronicity because that's something... Because
• 31:51
  you didn't hear it. Synchronicity is meant to
• 31:53
  be heard. Yeah. That might be an intelligent
• 31:57
  haunting. Exactly. Exactly. Let's hold that thought,
• 32:01
  though. Because I think I want to talk about
• 32:03
  intelligent hauntings more on the next episode.
• 32:06
  Yeah. Should we do a cliffhanger? Our first one?
• 32:09
  Ooh, cliffhanger. How do we end this now? I don't
• 32:16
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