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(Municipal) Election Day! | Political Capital Daily · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: and this is Political Capital Daily. Good morning and happy
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  Speaker 1: Saturday to you all. Municipal Election Day. It's here. It
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  Speaker 1: is here. One day only. Free for all. Reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of that Simpsons graphic where it was municipal round table
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  Speaker 1: and it was a picture of a guy swinging a
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  Speaker 1: spiked ball and another person with a shield and a
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  Speaker 1: sword hashing it out. Municipal election day. A big day
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  Speaker 1: in politics. Not in BC politics, but in politics. And
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  Speaker 1: a confusing day for anyone who's out trying to advance
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  Speaker 1: vote in the BC election today. Yes, you can do that,
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  Speaker 1: but it's going to be a weird day. Jeff Ferrier.
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  Speaker 1: joining me for our Sunday morning show. Good morning to you, Jeff.
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  Speaker 2: Happy Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Have you advanced voted already?
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  Speaker 2: You said it's a Sunday morning show. It's Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, did I say Sunday?
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  Speaker 2: You said Sunday.
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  Speaker 1: Today is Saturday. Jesus Christ. This is how my brain,
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  Speaker 1: my brain, she'd be scrambled. I'm barely hanging on.
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  Speaker 2: Are you like Biff in Back to the Future where
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  Speaker 2: you got the book that has all the municipal election
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  Speaker 2: results and you can tell us because it's Sunday and
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  Speaker 2: And you know who won? How did Ken Sim do?
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  Speaker 1: That's right. That's how Biff got his fortune. That was good.
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  Speaker 1: The almanac, I believe, that he had. Anyways, sorry, it's Saturday.
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  Speaker 1: It's still Municipal Election Day. I just made things even
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  Speaker 1: more confusing on it. Jeff, have you advanced voted yet
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  Speaker 1: in the Provincial General Election?
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  Speaker 2: I'm planning to vote today when I go out to
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  Speaker 2: vote in the local government elections as well.
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  Speaker 1: Are they in the same spot for you or different spots?
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea where I'm voting at the local election.
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  Speaker 2: I will be going to a shopping mall to vote
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  Speaker 2: in the provincial one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a little... I'll be interested to see
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  Speaker 1: what the lines are like. It feels like more folks
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  Speaker 1: are advanced voting every election, so the idea that it's
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  Speaker 1: less busy to advance vote... I mean, it's six days
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  Speaker 1: you've got, so get out there and do it. But
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  Speaker 1: there could be some lines depending on where you go
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  Speaker 1: and what today looks like. What do you think, Jeff...
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  Speaker 1: It means once the municipal campaign is done today, those
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  Speaker 1: results are declared, and tomorrow, on Sunday, the provincial campaign continues.
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  Speaker 1: Does it change anything in the provincial campaign to have
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  Speaker 1: the municipal campaign done and dusted and over with, or
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  Speaker 1: what do you think?
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  Speaker 2: I think organizationally it means that campaigns that right now,
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  Speaker 2: provincial ones that may have been running on fumes, with volunteers.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have a new pool of politically active folks to
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  Speaker 2: draw from to see their campaign through to the end.
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  Speaker 2: So you might see some more energy from local campaigns,
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  Speaker 2: some more signs going up, more folks knocking on doors,
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  Speaker 2: leaflets dropped off, and really important timing for the provincial
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  Speaker 2: campaigns because it's time to get out the vote. You
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  Speaker 2: need people to do that.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think, as of you know, are recording this
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  Speaker 1: on Saturday morning. I do not have in my possession
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  Speaker 1: a costed BC Conservative platform. Do you think people who
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  Speaker 1: are advanced voting right now are taking that into consideration?
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  Speaker 1: It is a little weird to not have one at
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  Speaker 1: this point. I'm trying to think of other elections. Usually,
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  Speaker 1: I think we would have them at this point. What
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  Speaker 1: do you make of that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm less fussed about the omnibus platform. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you used to see these 100-page detailed documents with a
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  Speaker 2: plan for every single issue under the sun. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think there's a huge public demand for that. And I
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  Speaker 2: haven't actually seen that from the NDP either. I think
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  Speaker 2: the Greens had one. That's actually true.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't a platform per se, like as a PDF
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  Speaker 1: version of a platform for the NDP. It's on their
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  Speaker 1: website and there's a couple of pages of costing, but
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  Speaker 1: you're right. It's not like a Bible of promises like
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  Speaker 1: in previous elections.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But I think what's, what's missing and what might
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  Speaker 2: be concerning to, uh, switcher, uh, swing votes.
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  Speaker 1: Switcher votes, switcher room voters.
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  Speaker 2: It's early Saturday morning. What can I say? The switch ruse, um,
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  Speaker 2: is that there's no platform costing for the conservatives, how
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  Speaker 2: they're going to pay for their $ 5 billion plus in,
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  Speaker 2: in promises that they've made the NDPs put theirs out. And, uh,
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  Speaker 2: I have it on good advice that the Conservatives will
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  Speaker 2: have theirs out, but voting's already started and it's not
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  Speaker 2: out yet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Lorne Dirksen was asked that yesterday at an event. He
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  Speaker 1: said he's got it. It's done. They're just checking the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: They want to make sure it's accurate. He wants to
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  Speaker 1: get it out as quickly as possible. I guess there is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it's been such a scramble of
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  Speaker 1: an election. There is some grace there, but I do
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  Speaker 1: think at this point in the campaign, once people start voting,
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  Speaker 1: you should probably have that available for them to make
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  Speaker 1: a decision, uh, based upon because it's a consequential amount
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  Speaker 1: of money at play during a time of record deficits
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  Speaker 1: and big promises.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, I think if it were just little around
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  Speaker 2: the edge promises, people would, uh, uh, have a bit
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  Speaker 2: more patience, but when you promise, uh, a thousand dollar
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  Speaker 2: tax cut to every person, $ 2, 000 for every family and
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  Speaker 2: it costs $ 4 billion, uh, There's, I think, a requirement
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  Speaker 2: to say where you're going to find the money.
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  Speaker 1: On the campaign trail yesterday as well, there was more
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  Speaker 1: back and forth on the Massey bridge versus tunnel idea.
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  Speaker 1: David Eby, the NDP leader, holding a brief kind of
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  Speaker 1: sort of video speaking event. He didn't take questions at
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  Speaker 1: this part, but at the Massey tunnel construction site saying,
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  Speaker 1: The idea of building a bridge is, in his words,
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  Speaker 1: the stupidest thing he's ever heard of, which is an actual, quote,
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  Speaker 1: stupidest thing I've ever heard of. And that it would
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  Speaker 1: put out of work hundreds of people who are already
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  Speaker 1: there doing the pre-construction. The project, once again, is not approved.
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  Speaker 1: It does not have an environmental approval to sink a
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  Speaker 1: gigantic concrete tube into a salmon-bearing river. Uh, so yeah,
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  Speaker 1: people are working, but it's pre-construction. You could still stop it. You'd,
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  Speaker 1: you'd burn off $ 500 million. Lorne Dirksen, the conservative leader
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  Speaker 1: was asked that. He said, well, that's just what we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have to do. We're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: cut losses on this thing. He thinks he could build
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  Speaker 1: a bridge for 6 billion was his estimate. The tunnel
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  Speaker 1: is now more than eight, double the original estimate. Um,
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  Speaker 1: numbers flying around, jobs flying around. I don't know, Jeff. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Are we just destined to fight this one to the end?
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  Speaker 1: Or do you think people might, uh, we talked about
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  Speaker 1: this on political capital prime. Is anyone switching their vote
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  Speaker 1: based on this or not? Why are both the leaders
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  Speaker 1: talking about it at this point in the campaign, do
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think there's a, an interesting backstory to all
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  Speaker 2: of this. It's, you know, really a manifestation of a
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  Speaker 2: ongoing battle between union and non-union construction, um, uh, folks.
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  Speaker 2: You saw at Lauren Dirksen's event, Chris Gardner from the
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  Speaker 2: Independent Contractors and Business Association. They're the non-union ones. They
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  Speaker 2: have their members there. They would be wanting to line
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  Speaker 2: up to do work on that project if it's a bridge.
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  Speaker 2: On the other side, you have Leuna and the operating
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  Speaker 2: engineers and the teamsters who are all union shops and
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  Speaker 2: have been contracted to do parts of tunnel. And so
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  Speaker 2: you have the two sides going after one another because
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  Speaker 2: one group of construction workers supports one party and the
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  Speaker 2: other supports the other party. I think for voters, maybe
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  Speaker 2: that's neither here nor there. But I think the big
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  Speaker 2: number that should also be included in that burn is
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  Speaker 2: $ 3 billion from Ottawa that would go towards the Massey
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  Speaker 2: Tunnel that would potentially vanish if the project got canceled
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  Speaker 2: and got moved to a bridge.
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  Speaker 1: That was hard money to get by BC2. They spent
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  Speaker 1: a long time twisting Ottawa's arm to get them to
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  Speaker 1: consider any money. They were very reluctant to put in
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  Speaker 1: cash on that and then managed to tie it up
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  Speaker 1: with the idea of port expansion and goods moving and
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  Speaker 1: finally got the feds to contribute some money, I think
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  Speaker 1: partly I mean, I could be wrong in the interpretation
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  Speaker 1: of this, but partly as a result of the, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of pipeline agreement that BC kind of put that
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  Speaker 1: on the table and Ottawa had to pony up that cash.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, there's no guarantee you switch it out to
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  Speaker 1: a bridge that Ottawa doesn't take the money back.
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  Speaker 2: Although.
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  Speaker 1: You know they need the votes too so but you're
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  Speaker 1: right that is three billion that may or may not
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  Speaker 1: even be on the table if you switch it to
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  Speaker 1: a bridge correct yes okay all right what else is
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  Speaker 1: on your agenda here as we plan for the week
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  Speaker 1: ahead Monday We don't have a show on Sunday, but Monday,
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  Speaker 1: everyone kind of looking ahead to the week. We talked
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  Speaker 1: on Political Capital Prime about get out the vote. I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine we're going to see, you know, leaders do
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  Speaker 1: kind of one of those last minute sort of blitzes
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  Speaker 1: around the province, not the Adrian Dix 2013 24-hour tour
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  Speaker 1: of doom that was literally 24 hours, including stops at
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  Speaker 1: like two in the morning at different parks and whatnot.
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  Speaker 1: But a pretty accelerated travel schedule, I would assume, from
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  Speaker 1: the leaders as they kind of make sure that they
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  Speaker 1: show up in different ridings for whistle-stop tours to kind
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  Speaker 1: of show that momentum and make those appearances where it counts.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there'll be leader tours to Surrey.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Well, yeah, that's right. Surrey. There's been
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  Speaker 1: so much in Surrey this election, for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Well, 10 ridings, battleground, a lot of close races in
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  Speaker 2: the last one. Flip a couple of those seats. If
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  Speaker 2: you're conservatives in your government, got to hold on to them.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the NDP, you know, there's, there's ridings on the, the,
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  Speaker 2: the North shore, tri-cities and some on Vancouver Island that are,
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  Speaker 2: are swing, but there's going to be a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: you don't see much travel into the North and the interior,
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  Speaker 2: do you? Like there's no, Apart from a few stops
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  Speaker 2: the Premier did earlier on. You know, that's not a,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't look like it's a battleground because no one's going there.
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  Speaker 1: No. Lorne Dirksen was there partly because he's from the
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  Speaker 1: interior and he did go up north to do a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, but you're right. It hasn't been a, it
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been a big area. Yeah. It always does tend
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  Speaker 1: to come down to some of those battlegrounds, suburban, Surrey, Tri-City,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even occasionally in the Fraser Valley, depending on
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  Speaker 1: the strength of whatever vote is going out at that time.
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  Speaker 1: And then now the South Island, and as you pointed
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  Speaker 1: out in Political Capital Prime the other day, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Courtney Comox and lots of other kind of interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Races. North Island's interesting. That was pretty close last time too.
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  Speaker 1: I noticed yesterday we also had a tiny bit of
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  Speaker 1: a kerfuffle with Grand Chief Stuart Phillip and his endorsement
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  Speaker 1: palooza that occurred where he appeared to, for the first
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  Speaker 1: half of the day, endorse BC Green leader, Emily Lowen.
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  Speaker 1: And there was a whole bunch of people who were like,
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  Speaker 1: wait a second, what? The, the, um, you know, husband of, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the late, uh, Vancouver Strathcona, MLA, Joan Phillip, the grand
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  Speaker 1: chief of the union, BC Indian chiefs is endorsing the
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  Speaker 1: BC Greens and not the BC NDP. And then David
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  Speaker 1: Eby took it on the chin at a, at an
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  Speaker 1: early morning presser on Friday, multiple questions. What, what does
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  Speaker 1: it mean that Stuart Phillip is not endorsing you? What
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  Speaker 1: has happened here? What is, There's a rift to DRIPA,
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  Speaker 1: Indigenous Relations, you know, on and on. And then later
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  Speaker 1: in the afternoon, a statement comes out saying, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: He only endorsed Emily Lowen in the riding of Saanich
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  Speaker 1: North and the Islands to win that riding. But he's
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  Speaker 1: endorsing David Eby to win the other ridings. And then
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  Speaker 1: the NDP put out a press release saying, we're thankful
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  Speaker 1: for the endorsement of Stuart Phillips. I don't know. Is
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  Speaker 1: that a much ado about nothing situation, Jeff? I'm not
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  Speaker 1: trying to dump on Stuart Phillip, but is it a
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  Speaker 1: consequential thing that we're debating here? Or is it just
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  Speaker 1: sort of the optics of brief embarrassment and people correcting
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  Speaker 1: their statements and trying to make sure they're on the
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  Speaker 1: right side?
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  Speaker 2: I think it is impactful in the respect that it
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  Speaker 2: took the premier off of his message this morning to
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  Speaker 2: have to answer questions about this. Uh, and I think
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  Speaker 2: apart from that, it's not surprising that, uh, uh, indigenous
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  Speaker 2: leader would, uh, support a green leader in their own
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  Speaker 2: riding that they're running in when they've been pretty outspoken, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in favor of indigenous rights, probably, um, more than any
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  Speaker 2: green leader has that I can remember. Um, I think
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  Speaker 2: it also, for folks in my business of strategic communications,
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  Speaker 2: points out the importance of a thoughtful, well-planned, well-executed communications rollout. Which,
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  Speaker 2: in this case, it was a suboptimal rollout in that
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  Speaker 2: at consequences. Not that, but only for the NDP.
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  Speaker 1: It is a little awkward, you know, like, take that!
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  Speaker 1: Kayla Bryson, the NDP candidate for Saanich North and the Islands.
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  Speaker 1: Grand Chief Stuart Phillip endorses everybody else from the NDP,
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  Speaker 1: but not you. He wants you to lose.
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  Speaker 2: She's a good candidate, too. I know you're not saying
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  Speaker 2: anything to her, but I'm just saying, folks, if you're
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  Speaker 2: in Saanich North and the Islands, have a look at Kayla.
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  Speaker 2: She's a good candidate. Yeah. Would do a great job
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  Speaker 2: as MLA.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know much. I'm just reading her bio here.
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  Speaker 1: She's a lawyer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay. I admit, Jeff, that this election has been
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  Speaker 1: such a scramble that I find myself, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you feel this way, I find myself less on
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  Speaker 1: top of the candidates and the ridings as I usually
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  Speaker 1: would in an election where I'd have a binder going
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  Speaker 1: and I'd be looking at kind of battleground ridings and
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  Speaker 1: looking at the difference. I'm just struggling to keep up
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  Speaker 1: with the day-to-day of the campaign and was sprung upon
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  Speaker 1: us and caught us all off guard. And I guess
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  Speaker 1: without that preparation, I wasn't braced for this. I feel
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  Speaker 1: unprepared in some ways. Like Kayla Bryson, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: a thing about her. I'm reading her bio live on
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  Speaker 1: our radio show. Yeah, I feel a little behind the
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  Speaker 1: eight ball in this election.
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  Speaker 2: Well, get ready for one week from today. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to know absolutely everything about Everyone. And boy,
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  Speaker 2: it's going to be easy to do that work this
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  Speaker 2: week when you're in the last week of the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: And campaigns are frantically, everyone's on caffeine and adrenaline alone
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  Speaker 2: and pushing out everything they can. So you'll have lots
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  Speaker 2: of time to just sit back, relax, have a scotch.
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  Speaker 1: No problemo. That'll be good. Yeah, we've got a live
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  Speaker 1: election show on the Saturday night, election night, the 24th,
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  Speaker 1: where you and Ali and Jillian are going to be
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  Speaker 1: with me in Vancouver, breaking down the results as they happen.
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  Speaker 1: So we're all trying to get up to speed on
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  Speaker 1: different things in advance of that. Anything else on your
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  Speaker 1: mind as we close out the show here, close out
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  Speaker 1: looking at our final week of the election campaign? It
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  Speaker 1: feels like a long one. It feels like not, it's
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  Speaker 1: not a policy-rich week. I keep describing it as a
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  Speaker 1: vibes campaign. We're into a campaign about vibes. Is the
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  Speaker 1: vibe of the conservatives, you know, good enough for them
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  Speaker 1: to give voters permission to vote for them? Is the
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  Speaker 1: vibes of the NDP good enough to overcome nine years
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  Speaker 1: of being in power and some fatigue on that brand?
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  Speaker 1: And that's my read of it, vibes election.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, vibes to me, the conservatives have momentum. But vibes
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  Speaker 2: I got from a couple of, friends I talked to
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  Speaker 2: were in the, the Yale town, uh, riding, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: angry at the NDP for calling a snap election. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you've heard about this phenomenon in this campaign,
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  Speaker 2: but there's some people who are angry about that. These
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  Speaker 2: people were angry about that. And they said, never going
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  Speaker 2: to vote NDP in this campaign was cynical and self-serving
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  Speaker 2: and forget about it. And they went to the advanced
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  Speaker 2: polls today and I talked to them. They're like, I
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  Speaker 2: was mad at the NDP, but who else am I
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  Speaker 2: going to vote for? Yeah. Holds. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I wrote a column in Business in Vancouver yesterday
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  Speaker 1: about the fact that a few NDP incumbents this past
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  Speaker 1: week on their social media feeds were writing long essays
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  Speaker 1: that began with the premise of people keep asking me
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  Speaker 1: at the doorstep, why are we in this election? And
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  Speaker 1: then went on to a big long dissertation about the
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  Speaker 1: one vote Westminster system and when the speaker has to
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  Speaker 1: break tie votes and stuff. But to me, it's remarkable
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  Speaker 1: how And I think a strategic error in the thinking
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  Speaker 1: at the beginning of the campaign that people would be
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: not angry about it by the end of it. And yes,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: some of them may still choose to vote New Democrat
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: because it's the better choice in their mind. But the
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: premise at the start that this is like 2020 and
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: everyone's just going to let it go after a week
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: and focus on other things. I don't think that happened.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: And I think MLAs are still, incumbents are still grappling
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  Speaker 1: with that right up to the final days of the campaign.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when folks are writing substacks on such things, it's
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a sign that they're hearing at the door. I guess
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: we'll find out on a week from today if that
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: dynamic helps jettison the NDP or if folks in the
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: ballot box have some second thoughts and we somehow see
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: an NDP push back against the conservative momentum and hold
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: on somehow. Yeah.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jeff, thanks for doing an early morning show. I
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thanks for being here.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Anytime. Thank you to everyone for listening for our special Sunday. See,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: I said it again. It's Saturday. Oh my God, my
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: brain is broken. Our Saturday show. We do not have
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: a Sunday show. We'll be back on Monday with Political
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Capital Daily all the way through the week as we
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: approach the provincial election campaign. We'll see you on Monday.
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  Speaker 1: Take care.