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Evaluations Under Pressure | Jaguars Happy Hour · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 2: Checker, and welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 3: It is Thursday afternoon, a busy two hours ahead as
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Speaker 3: Preseason week one prep continues. Playing time questions they have
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Speaker 3: been answered by Doug Peterson this week. Roster spots on
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Speaker 3: the line. Really the exams are the preseason games. The
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Speaker 3: Class SUSI throughout the week and you really get to
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Speaker 3: shine under the lights of some of these games players
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Speaker 3: making their debuts this week. And then at five o'clock,
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Speaker 3: the Doug Peterson Show on the Jaguars Radio Network will
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Speaker 3: have the best of Doug Peterson's sound. In the press
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Speaker 3: conference from earlier in the week, we'll hear from Andre
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Speaker 3: Cisco as well. Jaguars safety JP Shadwick with you, Jeff
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Speaker 3: log him in alongside.
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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Jeffrey, Hey, JP, how are you doing? Doing good?
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Speaker 2: Doing good?
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Speaker 3: Excited to have a week to where we kind of
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Speaker 3: got an opportunity to look at game evaluation, which is
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Speaker 3: where you want to get to in the preseason. You know,
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Speaker 3: in the first couple of weeks. It's kind of new
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Speaker 3: and exciting the first week, and then once you kind
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Speaker 3: of get into the second week, it gets a little
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Speaker 3: bit old watching the same guys go against the same guys.
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Speaker 2: Sure it gets old for those.
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Speaker 3: Guys said, yeah, it really does, right, it really does.
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Speaker 3: And so players are anxious and always excited to get
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Speaker 3: that first game under their belt. And a lot of
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Speaker 3: players are going to have a lot of emotion because
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Speaker 3: it's going to be their first game action for some
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Speaker 3: of them, which can be very exciting and and it's
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Speaker 3: also will provide a lot of reality for some people
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Speaker 3: because this is a business and not everybody who's going
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Speaker 3: to get equal reps, and that's just the nature of
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Speaker 3: the beast. It's just the way it is. They can't
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Speaker 3: divvy up reps equally amongst everybody. You mentioned reps one
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Speaker 3: of the questions this week, will the starters play and
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Speaker 3: if so, how long? Doug Peterson had an answer.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think it's important for them to play,
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Speaker 4: to feel the you know, I think the excitement around
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Speaker 4: a game. You know, don't plan on playing them long
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Speaker 4: at all, but just want to get them, get him in,
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Speaker 4: get him out, and then you know, but yet still
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Speaker 4: get get some quality working.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is going to be as vanilla of an
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Speaker 3: offensive and really defensive scheme. Let's start on the offense though,
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Speaker 3: you've got keep You want to get everybody, maybe a touch.
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Speaker 3: You want to keep the quarterback upright. If Michael Parsons
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Speaker 3: is playing, you're gonna see screens all over the field
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Speaker 3: just to get it out of his hands. But hey,
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Speaker 3: a nice sustained drive, spread the ball around, maybe get
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Speaker 3: some points. If you get six eight plays on a drive,
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Speaker 3: you might not see him again. Yeah, and I think
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Speaker 3: you know the like what you're saying is that if
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Speaker 3: you have a drive for early drive in the ball game,
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Speaker 3: and it's ten plays, eleven plays, twelve plays and it's
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Speaker 3: really good, then that's probably gonna be it. If it's
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Speaker 3: a three and out on the first drive and a
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Speaker 3: three and out on the second drive, you may go
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Speaker 3: three series, you know, just to try to find a
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Speaker 3: way to end the game with some success and some productivity.
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Speaker 3: And that mindset is definitely there. And JP the simplicity
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Speaker 3: of first preseason games is about as simple as you
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Speaker 3: can get. I mean, game plans are really non existent.
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Speaker 3: You're not doing walkthroughs with cards to where you're looking
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Speaker 3: at Michael Parsons. You're not game planning for Michael Parsons.
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Speaker 3: And if Michaeh. Parsons plays, then your tackles are just
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Speaker 3: going to have to block them right well, yeah, or
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Speaker 3: get rid of it quick. Yeah, I mean, that's just
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Speaker 3: that's just part of the deal. And uh, and the
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Speaker 3: reason that they do that is they want to get
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Speaker 3: a very strong evaluation where where players are playing the
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Speaker 3: game free without thinking. So they want to see the athleticism,
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Speaker 3: the competitive nature, a player who can be aware of
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Speaker 3: some assignment responsibility but not become burdened with assignment responsibility.
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Speaker 3: And and then you know, in the next game, you know,
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Speaker 3: you start to see game planning, and then they get
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Speaker 3: to evaluate from that aspect. And so every game represents
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Speaker 3: kind of another stage or another level in the evaluation process.
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Speaker 3: We know what this offense looked like last year. It
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Speaker 3: kind of evolved as it went on, but there was
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Speaker 3: always motion and pre snap things and changes at.
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Speaker 2: The line up. It will be none of them. You
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Speaker 2: won't have it.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you might have some motion, but you're not
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Speaker 3: going to have a lot of stuff. You know, you're
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Speaker 3: kind of simple, basic meat and potatoes of your offense.
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Speaker 3: You're going to hand the ball off. You want to
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Speaker 3: see how your linemen get movement. You want to see
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Speaker 3: how your your wide receivers, the young wide receivers block
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Speaker 3: special teams. Is going to be a huge evaluation point
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Speaker 3: in this game. So there's a lot of things that
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Speaker 3: you're going to be looking at, and the one thing
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Speaker 3: that you want to look at is players that are
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Speaker 3: playing free so you can evaluate the athleticism, the playmaking ability,
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Speaker 3: and the talents of the players. Yeah, and then build
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Speaker 3: upon that moving ahead, or work on something on the
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Speaker 3: practice field next week if need be, and get some
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Speaker 3: guys going yeah. And this is a great I mean,
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Speaker 3: this is a great atmosphere to have an evaluation in.
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Speaker 3: I mean, look Jerry's world. The stadium in Dallas, Fort Worth,
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Speaker 3: whatever wherever it is in Arlington, Arlington is tremendous and
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Speaker 3: it's a great environment for players to play in because
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Speaker 3: you know, part of the evaluation process is not only
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Speaker 3: just evaluating the player, but also evaluating the player's ability
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Speaker 3: and mental ability to handle some big moments. And I
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Speaker 3: can tell you jp the first time that I ever
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Speaker 3: played at the old.
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Speaker 2: Texas Stadium, yeah, in Irving, it was a big deal.
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Speaker 2: It was like, Oh, you walk in.
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Speaker 3: You're like, oh my god, this is where the Dallas
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Speaker 3: Cowboys play. And it's going to still have a little
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Speaker 3: bit of that. I think emotion connected to it for
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Speaker 3: some young players. And so from the aspect of evaluating
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Speaker 3: the player's ability to handle big moments, this is also
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Speaker 3: an opportunity to have that. And I hope that you know,
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Speaker 3: there's a good crowd and generate a little of excitement
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Speaker 3: and hopefully some of the Cowboys are playing in this game,
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Speaker 3: so you can see some ones against some ones before
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Speaker 3: giving away to the backups. You know the old line
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Speaker 3: about the hole in the roof at Texas Stadium and
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Speaker 3: the retractors so God could shine down on the count
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Speaker 3: so he could watch his favorite team play. Yeah, right, whatever,
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Speaker 3: five six. Well, the Jaguars, you're huge on there. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: you're a social media maven. It wasn't big on Twitter,
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Speaker 3: but I'm big on X times. Change times. They are
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Speaker 3: a change in pads, pads in practice Saturday, Sunday, Monday
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Speaker 3: earlier this week, the intensity ramped up a bit. And
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Speaker 3: I get it's not like the old days, BISSELLI was
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Speaker 3: in here the other day talking about that. But in
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Speaker 3: this world, the NFL, and in this training camp for
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Speaker 3: this Jaguars team, they kind of ratcheted things up, you know,
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Speaker 3: Sunday and then into Monday they're doing live tackling really
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Speaker 3: for the only time in training camp, and that's as
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Speaker 3: intense as this. They set the tone I think for
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Speaker 3: the physicality needed.
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Speaker 2: For this team.
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Speaker 3: Well, and as Doug said, he said, you know you
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Speaker 3: want to you want to test and put these guys
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Speaker 3: through a little bit of mental strain to see how
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Speaker 3: they respond, and the team handled it very well. And
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Speaker 3: what's interesting is it was having a conversation with gentlemenager
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Speaker 3: Trent Balky today about you know, the the old camps
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Speaker 3: versus the modern day camp and and I was like,
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Speaker 3: and I was kind of surprised that that, uh, in
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Speaker 3: no pads today. You know, this guy's just joking around
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Speaker 3: with him, as you know, we always used to be
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Speaker 3: in an upper shoulder pads and have contact two days
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Speaker 3: before a preseason game back you know, in the day.
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Speaker 3: And he kind of chuckled and he said, you know,
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Speaker 3: he said, the crazy thing is is with the collective
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Speaker 3: Bargaining agreement the way it is now that if you
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Speaker 3: have three consecutive days and pads, you are required to
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Speaker 3: have three days to follow without pads. About that, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 3: So so Doug took the opportunity to go three days
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Speaker 3: to do that mental challenge part. But then on the
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Speaker 3: other side of that, now you got to go three
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Speaker 3: days and no patch, which day off they had on Tuesday,
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Speaker 3: and then no pads yesterday, and then no pads today.
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Speaker 2: So that's three days.
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Speaker 3: And then they'll I think probably they're not nothing on
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Speaker 3: the field practice official. I think tomorrow, but walk through traveling, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: walk through and then travel day something. I mean, could
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Speaker 3: you go full pads if you wanted to? I mean probably,
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Speaker 3: but you're trying to get ready to you imagine get
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Speaker 3: ready for a preseason somebody who would Yeah, I don't
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Speaker 3: know if that would go.
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Speaker 2: Over very well? Probably not.
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Speaker 3: we've talked a lot and hurt a lot the last
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Speaker 3: couple of weeks on the defensive side, especially Mike Caldwell
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Speaker 3: talked about it. The Jags defensive coordinator that the number
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Speaker 3: one real priority for this defense is tackling. They had
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Speaker 3: some tackling issues a season ago that they've referenced. Well,
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Speaker 3: it's hard to practice tackling. You don't get many opportunities,
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Speaker 3: you know, tackling a dummies different than well, you got
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Speaker 3: to be creative, right, how do you do that?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 3: First, the first thing I think and when it comes
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Speaker 3: to tackling is angles. Angles, of approach. When you take
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Speaker 3: good angles, you put yourself in the best position to
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Speaker 3: make a tackle. So teaching angles is.
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Speaker 2: Part of it.
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Speaker 3: The form and fit which you can't tackle, but you
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Speaker 3: can get the body ready and in position to do
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Speaker 3: that without following through with the physical part of the tackle.
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Speaker 3: And then I don't know if you happened to see
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Speaker 3: after practice. I think it was on Monday, and which
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Speaker 3: was pretty amazing to see and that, you know, you
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Speaker 3: just had three days in a row of padded practices.
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Speaker 3: And then over on the farfield you got foy L
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Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd, Shaq quarterman. They're working on tackling themselves, and
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Speaker 3: they're on the single sled and they're forming up and
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Speaker 3: fitting it, driving it and then turning the sled and
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Speaker 3: dumping it. And so there's a way that you can
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Speaker 3: practice tackling against an inanimate object, whether it be a
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Speaker 3: pad somebody's holding for you, or whether it be the
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Speaker 3: tackling sled, which is I think the best way to
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Speaker 3: do it. But nothing beats live tackling against another human
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Speaker 3: because I can tell you jp look, tackling a sled
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Speaker 3: or tackling somebody in a game or in a practice
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Speaker 3: is not like tackling somebody in real time or in
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Speaker 3: a real game. And you know, for example, and look,
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Speaker 3: if you're coming from the side and you're trying to
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Speaker 3: tackle Eric Dickerson or an Emmett Smith and you don't
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Speaker 3: get your hat across the bow, they're don't run through
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Speaker 3: you like you know, you're just a you know, a
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Speaker 3: little bag of talcum powder. Which I speak from experience
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Speaker 3: on it. Eric Dickerson got you, man. I had him
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Speaker 3: lined up one time JP. It was uh, it was
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Speaker 3: in New York and I was coming off the edge
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Speaker 3: of the goal line and I had him unblocked full
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Speaker 3: speed and was just gonna I was gonna blow him up.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I was going to send him to the
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Speaker 3: other side of the field in the air. And all
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Speaker 3: I remember is is him running right through me. And
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Speaker 3: he just walked into the end zone. I didn't get
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Speaker 3: my hat in front. And the Eric Dickerson had an
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Speaker 3: uncanny ability of running with strength, just like Emmett.
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Speaker 2: Big, big, big dude.
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Speaker 3: But he ran upright so you know, you thought it
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Speaker 3: was going to be an easy target to just blow
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Speaker 3: him up. Nah, No, it didn't work out that way.
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Speaker 3: Big and fast and strong and the whole deal. Well,
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Speaker 3: he was. He was special. I mean Hall of Fame guy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I mean Emmett, Hall of Fame guy.
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Speaker 3: I mean, these guys were so strong and hey, you
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Speaker 3: think that you could just, you know, knock him down
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Speaker 3: and make it look easy. It just it never worked
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Speaker 3: out that way. But you know, that's the one thing
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Speaker 3: I think with the change of training camps and practices. Look,
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Speaker 3: everybody's doing it in the league, so it's not like
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Speaker 3: anybody's at a disadvantage. Everybody has to work within the
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Speaker 3: same system. So I'm not going to be one of
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Speaker 3: these guys that they should go back to the old
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Speaker 3: days and have more hitting, tackling, et cetera. Is the
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Speaker 3: tackling as good as it used to be in the
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Speaker 3: first couple games of the season. No, But the game
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Speaker 3: is different too. It's faster, it's more wide open, and
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Speaker 3: so that creates a lot of challenges that weren't there
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Speaker 3: or weren't in this game. You know, ten fifteen years ago,
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Speaker 3: plenty ahead, we're return with Trayvon Walker Jaguars outside linebacker,
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Speaker 3: and also a discussion about the interior of the d
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Speaker 3: line and the stoutness of that group up front. And
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Speaker 3: what logs you might expect against the run on defense
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Speaker 3: this year. It starts right there in the middle of
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Speaker 2: The growth of my mentality last year. You know what
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Speaker 2: I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: I'd like to say I always had a dog mentality
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Speaker 5: is just always you know what I'm saying. The little
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Speaker 5: things that I had to learn from last year is
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Speaker 5: being a rookie, just coming into the league, to understanding
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Speaker 5: a lot of different scheme things and mental things and
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Speaker 5: just how to switch up my game within the game
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Speaker 5: and just elevate as a player.
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Speaker 2: So it's still the.
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Speaker 5: Same mentality, just trying time to take it to a
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Speaker 5: new level, the.
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Speaker 3: Dog mentality for the former Dog Trayvon Walker, current jag
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Speaker 3: JP Shadrick, Jeff Lagerman, Glad you're with us. The Doug
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Speaker 3: Peterson Show coming up at the top of the hour
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Speaker 3: five o'clock on the Jaguars Radio Network will have the
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Speaker 3: best of Doug Peterson from the week in his press
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Speaker 3: conference earlier. We'll have coach Peterson live with us again
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Speaker 3: week one before the Jaguars visit the Indianapolis Colts. So hey,
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Speaker 3: Trayvon Walker, let's start with him going into year two.
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Speaker 3: I always say they know everything, but they are usually
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Speaker 3: right about this year one is a rookie to year
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Speaker 3: two in the NFL, just.
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Speaker 2: Overall, the world's calmer.
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Speaker 3: Right, You've seen everything once, you know where everything is,
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Speaker 3: you know what you need to do to prepare for
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Speaker 3: a game, and that's really the baseline.
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Speaker 2: For a lot of guys.
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Speaker 3: Well, and you're also you're training for a football season
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Speaker 3: where when you're a rookie, you're spend a lot of
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Speaker 3: time training for combine, preparing for interviews, You're traveling a lot,
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Speaker 3: and the focus isn't on ball in a lot of instances.
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Speaker 3: And so yeah, you get a big jump typically from
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Speaker 3: year one to year two. And Trayvon is a big,
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Speaker 3: strong dude, and he's really going to show I think,
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Speaker 3: more improvement and big improvement this year, you know. And
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Speaker 3: he's got the one tool that you just can't teach,
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Speaker 3: which is the big and strong and toughness of a
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Speaker 3: of a defender.
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Speaker 6: You know.
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Speaker 3: The one thing that you want to see with him
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Speaker 3: is that progression of starting to advance the moves and
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Speaker 3: pass rushing everything. And I think that that will come
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Speaker 3: in time. He's got to learn to get on the
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Speaker 3: edges of guys and and I'm looking forward to watching
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Speaker 3: how he plays this year. But it's not just him.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's there's other guys too. I mean, Josh
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Speaker 3: Allen's got to get to his best form. You've got
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Speaker 3: some other guys that defensive tackle tackle that are going
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Speaker 3: to have to emerge. Can Roy Robertson Harris get better.
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Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton has been really good pass rushing so far.
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Speaker 3: Akasi Fatikasi last year was banged up a ton. Can
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Speaker 3: he get back to being what they thought he was
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Speaker 3: gonna be when they acquired him in free agency?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: And the one guy that is intriguing to me, and
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Speaker 3: today he was wearing a red jersey, and that's the rookie, Yeah, Doula,
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Speaker 3: who I think has a lot of natural pass rush
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Speaker 3: ability and he had a lot of successful with it
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Speaker 3: in college. He's in concussion protocol. By the way, that's
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Speaker 3: why the orange jersey today. But you know, maybe he'll
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Speaker 3: be back fairly soon. You know, back to to Walker,
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Speaker 3: What have you seen in those one on one drills
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Speaker 3: that you've seen out there against the offensive lineman. That's
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Speaker 3: where you'll start to see some of those moves emerge.
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Speaker 3: Have you seen more out of him in those instances?
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Speaker 3: You're seeing him try some different things, and that's really
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Speaker 3: what a lot of that pass rush is for, you know,
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Speaker 3: because as a pass rush, you don't know what works
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Speaker 3: until you try something new, and a lot of times
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Speaker 3: it's not comfortable when.
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Speaker 2: You first do it.
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Speaker 3: And the best pass rush are the ones that feel
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Speaker 3: natural and reactionary, and that takes time to accomplish that.
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Speaker 3: So you may end up having a move say hey,
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Speaker 3: I'm gonna have this. I'm gonna try a spin move
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Speaker 3: on this play, But in reality, the best spin move
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Speaker 3: that you have is a reaction to an offensive tackle
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Speaker 3: that's oversetting you instead of a plan. I want to
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Speaker 3: work the spin move, but the only way that you
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Speaker 3: learn to have it become reactionary is to intentionally try
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Speaker 3: it on a particular pass rush move.
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Speaker 2: But I think he's gotten.
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Speaker 3: Better to where he's starting to work on the edges
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Speaker 3: and sometimes that's a hard lesson to learn because you know,
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Speaker 3: that's not something that comes natural to some people. But
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Speaker 3: the one thing that's natural to tray Von is the strength,
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Speaker 3: the power of the athleticism. And he has a tool
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Speaker 3: bag that a lot of guys just don't have. And
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Speaker 3: so I think he's got an incredibly high ceiling and
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Speaker 3: I like where his floor is at because he's got
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Speaker 3: the ability to do some really good things against the run,
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Speaker 3: to push.
18:35
Speaker 2: The pocket, to be powerful.
18:38
Speaker 3: But the toolbag needs to grow and that's all part
18:40
Speaker 3: of the growth process. Caleb on Chase on Logs is
18:45
Speaker 3: in his fourth season, fourth season contract year for him. Yeah,
18:51
Speaker 3: they didn't pick up the option, and so I mean
18:52
Speaker 3: this is a big year for him. And has he
18:56
Speaker 3: shown anything to Yeah, you know, he's actually done some
18:58
Speaker 3: good things in past rush And he's the one thing
19:01
Speaker 3: that Calebon didn't really show a lot in the first,
19:04
Speaker 3: you know, three years of his career. He didn't really
19:06
Speaker 3: show that he's a physical player. And I think over
19:09
Speaker 3: the last two years he started to develop a little
19:12
Speaker 3: physical nature about him where he's using his pass rush
19:15
Speaker 3: technique of power to set some other things up and
19:20
Speaker 3: that's good to see. You know, a lot of people say, ah,
19:22
Speaker 3: you know, he's a bust and they're going to give
19:24
Speaker 3: up on him. But look, there's Jerry Hughes. Was a
19:28
Speaker 3: guy and I bring him up just because I mean,
19:29
Speaker 3: he was one of these guys that was a late bloomer.
19:31
Speaker 3: He was a first round pick of the Indianapolis Colts
19:34
Speaker 3: and he really didn't do anything for the Indianapolis Colts.
19:37
Speaker 3: He didn't do anything until he got to the Buffalo
19:39
Speaker 3: Bills and then all of a sudden he blossomed. And
19:41
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Calebon is going to do that,
19:43
Speaker 3: but sometimes it takes guys a little bit longer to develop,
19:45
Speaker 3: and I hope that he's one of those guys. But
19:48
Speaker 3: right now, if I had to pick out my four
19:52
Speaker 3: best pass rushers on this team, I'm gonna take or
19:56
Speaker 3: you gonna start.
19:57
Speaker 2: At four or one? What do you mean we're ranking
19:59
Speaker 2: him right? No, I'm not thinking.
20:01
Speaker 3: I'm just four guys line up with four guys, no
20:03
Speaker 3: particular order, no particular order. These are my four guys
20:06
Speaker 3: that I would love to see line up and right now,
20:08
Speaker 3: Devon Hamilton in the middle.
20:10
Speaker 2: It's been getting great push.
20:11
Speaker 3: Sure, I'm gonna have Trayvon in the middle, in the
20:13
Speaker 3: middle because I think it's that combination of athleticism and
20:16
Speaker 3: power would be very well suited to being an inside
20:20
Speaker 3: pass rusher. When you get to second long and third
20:23
Speaker 3: and long, those are two Josh Allen and then you
20:26
Speaker 3: see her Abdullah my two outside guys.
20:29
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, those are your four right now? Those are
20:33
Speaker 2: my four right now. That can change.
20:35
Speaker 3: I mean it can change, yeah, I mean it can
20:37
Speaker 3: be pre season week one, but I mean those are
20:40
Speaker 3: the guys right now that are showing me the best.
20:43
Speaker 3: And Devon Hamilton's been like Brandon Sheriff can't stop them. Yeah,
20:49
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, here we go. He's just power
20:53
Speaker 3: and Sheriff back pretty good. Sound back the pockets, sound
20:56
Speaker 3: like police academy.
20:57
Speaker 2: And he's been doing that to everybody. Yeah, he's doing
21:00
Speaker 2: that to.
21:03
Speaker 3: The backup guards, Blake hands, He's done that to Fortner
21:07
Speaker 3: and by the way, Fortner, just a quick note on him.
21:10
Speaker 3: You heard me talking last week about how he worked
21:13
Speaker 3: on the functional strength. I'm gonna tell you right now,
21:16
Speaker 3: it's showing his power and one on one pass rush
21:20
Speaker 3: is dramatically better dramatically better than last year. Yeah, I
21:25
Speaker 3: mean it's like, wow better impressive. That's that's much better,
21:31
Speaker 3: Like wow better as much better? Yeah, I mean I
21:33
Speaker 3: can really descriptive. Wait to do that. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 2: Anywhere you want us. You can get us. Weird.
21:47
Speaker 3: Glad you have us here today. All right, let's move
21:51
Speaker 3: to We talk about the pass rush all the time.
21:53
Speaker 3: That's really the hot topic right now outside the building.
21:56
Speaker 3: A lot of fans are like, hey, what's going on
21:58
Speaker 3: with that? How can they improve it? But we talked
22:01
Speaker 3: about a lot of those interior guys. This Jags defense
22:05
Speaker 3: last year was pretty good against the run. Stout in
22:09
Speaker 3: the middle, even without Patacasi there that had a stretch
22:11
Speaker 3: they weren't good, Yeah, but for the most part they
22:16
Speaker 3: were pretty good. They finished twelfth in yards per game
22:20
Speaker 3: against the run. I think they were better than that
22:22
Speaker 3: in yards per play. I think fourth in the league
22:24
Speaker 3: in yards per play in rushing. So this is a
22:29
Speaker 3: group that should be good against the run. Well, and
22:32
Speaker 3: look here's the reun I mean, look at some of
22:33
Speaker 3: these numbers. Here, you know, twelfth in points allowed, which
22:36
Speaker 3: ultimately that's the number one stat you know, because it's
22:39
Speaker 3: a points game, right, I mean, that's how you win.
22:41
Speaker 3: It's a passing league. So you look at the rush
22:44
Speaker 3: defense and twelfth ranking and you feel really good about it.
22:47
Speaker 3: But it's a passing league. Right on pass defense, you're
22:50
Speaker 3: twenty eighth. You know, third down percentage twenty ninth. I mean,
22:53
Speaker 3: those are near the bottom. I mean, those are the
22:55
Speaker 3: areas that you've got to get better at and how
22:57
Speaker 3: do you do that? Welsh rushing cover. The one thing
22:59
Speaker 3: that you really love is the takeaways, twenty seven of them, sure,
23:02
Speaker 3: and I think that was a category that really kind
23:05
Speaker 3: of allowed this defense to survive in a lot of
23:07
Speaker 3: the games that they played. And so you hope that
23:11
Speaker 3: they were able to replicate those numbers from last year
23:13
Speaker 3: as far as the takeaways and then get better and
23:15
Speaker 3: third down and pass rush and pass defense. You know,
23:19
Speaker 3: I said this on Huddle Up Yesterday, available on Jaguars
23:22
Speaker 3: dot Com, the official team website.
23:24
Speaker 2: By the way.
23:26
Speaker 3: You saw it, you said it right there too. The
23:28
Speaker 3: Jags were twenty fourth in total defense. If they're only
23:31
Speaker 3: twenty nine yards better per game, twenty nine few yards.
23:35
Speaker 3: They're in the top ten in the league in defense
23:39
Speaker 3: per game less if they allow the game that's right
23:42
Speaker 3: on average.
23:43
Speaker 2: But if you do the mass, multiply that by seventeen.
23:45
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if it's thirty yards less per game,
23:48
Speaker 3: one one extra drive you don't get, well, that's two
23:51
Speaker 3: explosive plays essentially.
23:52
Speaker 2: It's right.
23:53
Speaker 3: So if you're a little bit better, all of a sudden,
23:56
Speaker 3: the perception changes. Oh, top ten defense, right, you know, well,
24:01
Speaker 3: that's how fine a line it is on defense. Well,
24:03
Speaker 3: and how do you get the improvement? Okay, with the offense,
24:07
Speaker 3: you got high draft picks on offense. On defense, you know,
24:11
Speaker 3: they didn't draft defense until you get a little later
24:14
Speaker 3: in the draft, and there was something towards the end
24:16
Speaker 3: of the draft and didn't go out and get a
24:18
Speaker 3: lot a ton of guys and really any guys in
24:21
Speaker 3: free agency for the most part. So they're expecting improvement
24:24
Speaker 3: by two ways. One is the development of the roster
24:27
Speaker 3: that they have, and it's also the development of the
24:29
Speaker 3: coaching staff that they have, allowing everybody to get the
24:32
Speaker 3: year two and improve across the board. And you hope
24:36
Speaker 3: that that's that works. And I think it will work,
24:41
Speaker 3: but it's not easy to do, you know. The I
24:43
Speaker 3: think the easy thing to do right now is to
24:45
Speaker 3: is to sit there and scream, where's the defense, where's
24:48
Speaker 3: the defense, where's the pass rush, where's the coverage? I mean,
24:50
Speaker 3: and look, that's what they have preseason four, and then
24:53
Speaker 3: this is I think this defense is going to be
24:55
Speaker 3: able to take some steps, but they've got to be
24:58
Speaker 3: able to take some steps without lying on the takeaways
25:01
Speaker 3: to sustain that success, because takeaways.
25:05
Speaker 2: Are funny thing. You know.
25:06
Speaker 3: You go back to just look a little bit back
25:09
Speaker 3: in the Jaguars history twenty seventeen, which was arguably I
25:13
Speaker 3: don't even think it's arguable. I think it was the
25:15
Speaker 3: best Jaguars defense in its history. I mean tremendous. I mean,
25:19
Speaker 3: at one point in twenty seventeen with AJ Boy and
25:23
Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey at corner, Kalieth Campbell, Malik Jackson, Sean Gibson
25:27
Speaker 3: on the back end, the two edge rushers. Josh was
25:31
Speaker 3: a rookie at that point. N Gakway was there. I mean,
25:35
Speaker 3: this defense puslunding was unbelievable, and the numbers were literally
25:41
Speaker 3: almost at the all time greatest level, like Bears of
25:45
Speaker 3: eighty five, the Ravens of two thousand, those numbers, I mean,
25:50
Speaker 3: just unbelievable. Then all of a sudden, the next year,
25:53
Speaker 3: you still had the same personnel, but the takeaways weren't there,
25:57
Speaker 3: and the ranking dropped significantly when the takeaways weren't there.
26:01
Speaker 3: So that's how important takeaways can be to a defense.
26:05
Speaker 3: So this year you hope that you get the improvement
26:07
Speaker 3: overall and you still maintain that category of takeaways. Jaguars
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Speaker 2: We can really just let it all loose. So I'm
26:42
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27:12
Speaker 6: Hi, Kai, you guys have a lot more jazzy music
27:15
Speaker 6: than we have in the morning. We're a little more punchy.
27:16
Speaker 6: But you guys are like punchy happy hour club music.
27:19
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's the whole idea. It's a party of it.
27:22
Speaker 2: We're not in charge of that. True.
27:27
Speaker 6: We couldn't let JP pick. I know that much.
27:29
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, you don't want me to pick.
27:32
Speaker 3: We don't want you no chance, not at all.
27:34
Speaker 6: Got to keep our viewers and listeners a week, right.
27:36
Speaker 2: Jap's got great taste of music. Did you know that?
27:38
Speaker 5: No?
27:39
Speaker 6: I come in some morning because j let's storytime JP
27:42
Speaker 6: at like six am, So I stroll in and he's
27:45
Speaker 6: just got his own personal concert going on like at
27:49
Speaker 6: like nine after I get hassled by security trying to
27:51
Speaker 6: get in the building. But yes, yes, JP has his
27:55
Speaker 6: music going. But I've never Well, you want to pick
27:57
Speaker 6: the music next week?
27:58
Speaker 3: You've never asked, You're you never asked what it is. Well,
28:02
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna share it here.
28:03
Speaker 6: It's not a big deal, but whatever, all right, next
28:05
Speaker 6: show one.
28:07
Speaker 2: Of these days.
28:08
Speaker 3: If you ever wanted to play name that tune, I
28:11
Speaker 3: want him on my team.
28:13
Speaker 2: Interesting, he's good.
28:15
Speaker 3: Now, if we could have like a team of three,
28:18
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take I'm gonna take JP, and I'm gonna
28:21
Speaker 3: take Joe Fortanado.
28:23
Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe knows everything, our producer, Joe knows all the things.
28:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'd go undefeated. I think on that.
28:28
Speaker 3: Are you guys pretty good? You guys would be carrying me.
28:31
Speaker 3: I don't know about that, Yeah you would. Anton Harrison
28:34
Speaker 3: hopefully is in time carrying this offensive line. He's going
28:38
Speaker 3: to get some time at right tackle and gonna get
28:40
Speaker 3: a lot of it. He was at the podium today.
28:42
Speaker 3: We just saw and heard it. If you're watching on
28:44
Speaker 3: Jaguars dot Com, you saw it. If you're on radio,
28:46
Speaker 3: you heard it. But hey, he's excited to get out
28:49
Speaker 3: there kai and we're excited.
28:50
Speaker 2: To see him.
28:51
Speaker 6: Absolutely, it's the first round pick, so you definitely want
28:53
Speaker 6: to see what you have. We've seen him a little
28:54
Speaker 6: bit in practice. He's been dealing with that shoulder injury,
28:57
Speaker 6: so we weren't sure if we're going to see him,
28:58
Speaker 6: but Doug Peterson said, we would see with the Ones,
29:00
Speaker 6: and he probably will stay out of a little bit
29:02
Speaker 6: longer just so he can all get a look at
29:05
Speaker 6: what's going on. But he's just from what I've seen,
29:08
Speaker 6: been really good at, you know, asking questions. He's always
29:11
Speaker 6: like trying to, you know, work with some obviously the
29:13
Speaker 6: offensive line is very talented and kind of working with
29:16
Speaker 6: someone at all times. And what I thought was interesting
29:18
Speaker 6: is like you forget how young they are because he
29:20
Speaker 6: was talking a little bit. He's from Washington, d C.
29:22
Speaker 6: So he's like, oh, yeah, I grew up watching sheriff,
29:25
Speaker 6: you know, on my hometown team, and you're like, oh yeah,
29:27
Speaker 6: I forgot, you're like very young.
29:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
29:31
Speaker 3: The impressive thing about him and the thing that I'm
29:35
Speaker 3: most excited about what about what Doug Peterson said is
29:38
Speaker 3: that he's gonna play, but then he's probably gonna play
29:41
Speaker 3: longer than the Ones. And a lot of people say, well,
29:44
Speaker 3: why would you be excited about that because he's gonna
29:46
Speaker 3: play more. I'm excited because that means that the shoulders
29:50
Speaker 3: okay enough to be able to play longer.
29:52
Speaker 2: That's true. He missed what three days?
29:53
Speaker 3: Okay, he missed some time, and he's wearing what looks
29:57
Speaker 3: like a A lot of times when guys get shoulders,
30:01
Speaker 3: they wear this device that goes around their chests, and
30:04
Speaker 3: then there's a cuff that goes around the arm, and
30:07
Speaker 3: there's a connector that connects between the stuff that's around
30:10
Speaker 3: the torso to the arm, so it limits the range
30:14
Speaker 3: of motion of that shoulder. So when you see a
30:16
Speaker 3: guy wearing something like that, your concern is, oh, you know,
30:19
Speaker 3: he's got a pretty significant shoulder thing. Well, when the
30:22
Speaker 3: head coach turn around, turns around and says, hey, look
30:24
Speaker 3: he's gonna play with the ones, you know he's gonna
30:27
Speaker 3: be good to go and then he's probably gonna play more.
30:29
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there going all right. That means the shoulders
30:32
Speaker 3: good enough.
30:33
Speaker 6: You know.
30:33
Speaker 3: I mean that because look, I mean first round pick
30:35
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden he's missing time with the shoulder.
30:37
Speaker 3: Shoulder and an offensive linemen are not best friends, okay.
30:41
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the one part of the body you
30:42
Speaker 3: want to be good. You can play with little nicks
30:45
Speaker 3: and bruises and bumps and other aches and pains at
30:47
Speaker 3: other joint, but the shoulder is pretty important with an
30:51
Speaker 3: offensive line, especially tackle. I think you just want to
30:53
Speaker 3: see him out there running around. He's so athletic. I
30:57
Speaker 3: don't know was I telling you today, but anyway, I
30:59
Speaker 3: was telling somebody that there was a play in practice
31:02
Speaker 3: that anton And so he's in a two point stance,
31:04
Speaker 3: which is pass pro stance. Okay, and most and most
31:08
Speaker 3: guys when they're in the two point stance and it's
31:10
Speaker 3: a run play, they kind of give it away. Okay,
31:12
Speaker 3: they're kind of leaning and they're not looking like they're
31:14
Speaker 3: going to kick out and to a forty five degree
31:17
Speaker 3: angle for a pass set. So he is really disguising
31:21
Speaker 3: it well. And from that two point stance, the play
31:24
Speaker 3: that was actually called was a run away from him.
31:27
Speaker 3: So his job from a two point pass pro stance
31:31
Speaker 3: was to slide his body and cut off a three
31:34
Speaker 3: technique defensive tackle. There ain't many dudes in the league
31:38
Speaker 3: that can do that athletically, and he did it like effortless,
31:42
Speaker 3: and I'm going, oh my god, that was awesome. But
31:46
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the kind of athleticism that he has
31:49
Speaker 3: great feet, great hands, great finisher. That's the things that
31:53
Speaker 3: I got from his college tape. The one thing I
31:56
Speaker 3: think that he's still got to grow into is that body.
31:59
Speaker 3: And he's a little more leading the pencil, so to speak,
32:03
Speaker 3: so that when he takes on a bull rush he
32:05
Speaker 3: can throw the anchor out and sit it down and
32:08
Speaker 3: stop a guy. But that will come in time. I mean,
32:10
Speaker 3: look at Josh Wells's body now, Kyle. We saw him
32:13
Speaker 3: when he was a young man. How different is his
32:16
Speaker 3: body now from when he was a younger. He was
32:19
Speaker 3: a skinny little guy, right, really not that little, but
32:21
Speaker 3: he was, you know what I mean, compared to now.
32:23
Speaker 2: He's been in the weight room for ten years.
32:25
Speaker 3: So like Anton, what is he twenty one twenty two
32:28
Speaker 3: young player?
32:29
Speaker 2: Right?
32:30
Speaker 3: I mean, give him a couple of years to even
32:32
Speaker 3: mature more. And it's kind of crazy. We're saying out
32:35
Speaker 3: about a three hundred and fifteen.
32:37
Speaker 6: Pounds, but he couldn't tell. He's so tall and he
32:40
Speaker 6: doesn't carry it like that. It's not like you know,
32:42
Speaker 6: an average height person that's three hundred pounds.
32:45
Speaker 2: I love him. I think he's going to be really good.
32:47
Speaker 3: I think he's going to get better over time, and
32:51
Speaker 3: he's got the right mindset. Yeah, he takes advice from
32:55
Speaker 3: some of those guys. So I talked to Josh Wells
32:57
Speaker 3: today after practice and he said, ay, it's the feet
33:00
Speaker 3: he's ever seen on a young guy. Yeah, oh yeah, Okay,
33:04
Speaker 3: I believe that's one thing. But they've grown very close,
33:07
Speaker 3: and you know, it's basically Wells. Part of Wells's job
33:10
Speaker 3: is to carry it on down to the young guys,
33:13
Speaker 3: including the first round pick who's playing it right tackle.
33:16
Speaker 3: And Josh Wells has plenty of time there as well,
33:19
Speaker 3: so he understands his role. But the fact that Anton
33:22
Speaker 3: is open to these veteran players like Sheriff and like
33:26
Speaker 3: Wells and even Walker Little on the left side. Cam's
33:30
Speaker 3: been at it. I know he has been around him
33:31
Speaker 3: a lot on the practice field. That's a good group.
33:34
Speaker 2: To learn from.
33:35
Speaker 6: And I just I also he was talking to us
33:37
Speaker 6: and he said, you know, I like to ask questions.
33:39
Speaker 6: There's some people that are just you know, scared or
33:42
Speaker 6: you know, not ready, not quite there. And He's like,
33:44
Speaker 6: oh no, I bug them all the time. I'm always
33:45
Speaker 6: asking him how they do it, why they do it
33:47
Speaker 6: that way, And that's what you want right. And people
33:49
Speaker 6: say this about Tank as well, like just being a
33:51
Speaker 6: sponge absorbing everything around. Obviously, you're in the NFL, you've
33:54
Speaker 6: never been there before. You're just going to be a
33:55
Speaker 6: learning curve. But he does a great job of just
33:58
Speaker 6: being like, all right, how much can I learn? And
34:00
Speaker 6: every single day learn something new and try to pick
34:02
Speaker 6: this up as quickly as it can, which is a
34:04
Speaker 6: great sign.
34:04
Speaker 3: I mean, the guys that come in that think they
34:06
Speaker 3: know those are not it. Those are not the guys
34:09
Speaker 3: you want to have on your football team. You want
34:11
Speaker 3: the guys that are coming in the door and saying, look,
34:14
Speaker 3: I don't know anything, and it's better to keep my
34:16
Speaker 3: mouth shut my ears open so that I can learn
34:19
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Speaker 3: back to that thing when I said about anton there's
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Speaker 2: Mouth, right, zipit? Yeah right?
34:55
Speaker 3: I mean especially for young players. I mean use those
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Speaker 3: We mentioned two uts already in Harrison in Bigsby. But
35:05
Speaker 3: who else are you excited to see finally get on
35:07
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35:09
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean obviously thirteen draft picks. There's a lot
35:12
Speaker 6: of an undrafted free agents, so there's a lot of
35:13
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35:16
Speaker 6: the higher draft picks Tank Brenton Strange, that they play
35:19
Speaker 6: a decent chunk of time because you don't know what
35:22
Speaker 6: they are yet.
35:22
Speaker 2: Right.
35:22
Speaker 6: We've seen them practicing and it looks good, but I
35:24
Speaker 6: have no idea what that's going to look in it
35:25
Speaker 6: like in a real game. So at least a little
35:27
Speaker 6: bit of that, I think some of you know Antonio Johnson,
35:30
Speaker 6: some of.
35:30
Speaker 2: The his name's popped up all over the place, of.
35:33
Speaker 6: Course, and every out of everyone, out of Doug, out
35:35
Speaker 6: of you know, everybody's been talking about him. So just
35:37
Speaker 6: to see kind of how they use him as well, right,
35:39
Speaker 6: because you know, we've heard about him on special teams,
35:41
Speaker 6: We've heard about him on defense, and just the roles
35:44
Speaker 6: that they put everybody in. Parker Washington is return maybe
35:47
Speaker 6: returning kicks and punts like we've seen him doing a
35:49
Speaker 6: lot of that, and just how they use everybody, right,
35:51
Speaker 6: So seeing how it looks in a real.
35:53
Speaker 3: Game, yeah, because you've got to try it out in
35:55
Speaker 3: a game and see and if they can't do it,
35:57
Speaker 3: then okay, let's adjust and move forward. There's going to
35:59
Speaker 3: be there's gonna be some guys that don't make the
36:04
Speaker 3: active roster that other teams are gonna be sitting there waiting.
36:09
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of people that aren't gonna
36:10
Speaker 6: make this roster that are gonna end up on a
36:11
Speaker 6: different prosers.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely. I mean the wide receiver group is talented. I
36:16
Speaker 3: mean from top to bottom. I mean one of the
36:18
Speaker 3: guys that you know that may not make this team,
36:21
Speaker 3: and I think he's got a shot is the big
36:23
Speaker 3: tall guy, okay, Jacob Harris. I mean Jacob Harris gives
36:27
Speaker 3: this wide receiving group something that they don't have. That
36:30
Speaker 3: six foot five, rangey, big guy you know, because most
36:35
Speaker 3: of the guys are a Ridley, A Kirk, say Jones.
36:39
Speaker 3: These are smaller types, you know. And then when you
36:42
Speaker 3: get down to that number five wide receiver, he's got
36:44
Speaker 3: to be a special teams guy. So with Harris having
36:47
Speaker 3: some size, I mean maybe that's an event, but you know,
36:49
Speaker 3: here's the reality. If you keep him, who are you
36:52
Speaker 3: not gonna keep?
36:53
Speaker 6: Exactly?
36:55
Speaker 3: You got Parker Washington. He's a slot guy draft pick
37:00
Speaker 3: right now. Tim Jones can play every position and special
37:03
Speaker 3: teams guy. I mean, you really have Let's see Ridley's
37:08
Speaker 3: Ridley's on the team. He's gonna make it, says Chance Jones,
37:12
Speaker 3: Christian Kirk, Jamal Agnew. Let's say Parker Washington's five. All
37:17
Speaker 3: the rest of these guys are battling for a six spot. Yeah,
37:20
Speaker 3: you don't. You don't typically see a team keep seven.
37:23
Speaker 3: Six is like the top typically the top number because
37:27
Speaker 3: you need you're gonna need running backs. You got four
37:30
Speaker 3: tight ends most likely that can make it well. And yeah,
37:33
Speaker 3: I mean numbers game four tight ends, you know, could
37:36
Speaker 3: it be three? I mean there's a chance that would be.
37:39
Speaker 6: Even harder for me to make a decision, I think
37:40
Speaker 6: than the wide receiver.
37:41
Speaker 2: And if you if you keep three let's just say
37:44
Speaker 2: tight ends. Can you slide?
37:46
Speaker 3: Can you sneak one of those guys somewhere that they
37:49
Speaker 3: don't get clean, maybe practice squad, but the one they
37:52
Speaker 3: still got to clean the clear waivers. The one position
37:55
Speaker 3: that I think that the coaching staff are going to
37:58
Speaker 3: be watching incredibly close lee is cornerback. I mean, that's
38:02
Speaker 3: the one position that you know kind of who your
38:06
Speaker 3: first two guys are, and then after that you don't know.
38:10
Speaker 3: And so these games, these preseason games, these upcoming practices
38:15
Speaker 3: against the Detroit Lions, this is gonna be incredibly important
38:20
Speaker 3: for that position group's evaluation because, to be honest with you, JP,
38:24
Speaker 3: I don't really have a leader beyond the top two
38:27
Speaker 3: guys right now in my mind, play some ball, figure it.
38:32
Speaker 2: Out, let's do it right.
38:34
Speaker 6: I'm excited and in Dallas as well. You ever been
38:37
Speaker 6: right right lights, big stage city, not the not stadium, though,
38:40
Speaker 6: very excited you have.
38:43
Speaker 3: It's the most incredible stadium in the National Football League.
38:48
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's just it's white glove crystal. I mean,
38:52
Speaker 3: it's it's impressive. You know, the all the fan amenities
38:58
Speaker 3: that are at field, level, the both sides of the
39:02
Speaker 3: end zones up prodex the number of suite I mean,
39:05
Speaker 3: it's it is tremendous.
39:08
Speaker 2: You will be.
39:08
Speaker 6: Impressed excited to see it.
39:10
Speaker 2: Kai, well done as always.
39:12
Speaker 6: Thanks for having me.
39:13
Speaker 2: We'll see you next week.
39:15
Speaker 6: We will and we'll have game things to talk about it. Yeah,
39:18
Speaker 6: that's right, this is very exciting you.
39:19
Speaker 3: We'll contribute to our pregame radio coverage as well, and
39:22
Speaker 3: you'll be on the sidelines for radio.
39:24
Speaker 6: So we'll be on the sidelines for radio on Saturday,
39:26
Speaker 6: and then we're coming back for like a day, and
39:27
Speaker 6: then we're going to Detroit for joint practice. We'll have
39:29
Speaker 6: all our JAGSAM shows there Wednesday and Thursday.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like a plan to me. We'll talk to you, kay,
39:34
Speaker 2: Let's do it. Kis Stevens with us.
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39:48
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39:53
Speaker 4: Even the young guys from last year, you know, you
39:56
Speaker 4: look at you know, Chadmoma as a young second year
39:58
Speaker 4: linebacker who's gonna get plenty of you know, plenty of
40:01
Speaker 4: time not only in preseason but the regular season. You
40:04
Speaker 4: look at the young secondary guys who are going to
40:08
Speaker 4: get a lot of opportunities this spring or this, uh,
40:11
Speaker 4: this this training camp, and that's encouraging, and it gives
40:16
Speaker 4: you depth on special teams, you know, and there's some
40:18
Speaker 4: there's some key roles there that we can fill. So
40:21
Speaker 4: I think we're in a better position than me where
40:23
Speaker 4: a year ago, uh, depth wise, and it'll be you know,
40:27
Speaker 4: it'll be difficult at the end to make some some challenging,
40:30
Speaker 4: you know, decisions.
40:31
Speaker 2: That's the head coach, Doug Peterson, of course. And welcome back.
40:34
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Speaker 6: J P.
40:43
Speaker 3: Shadrick, Jeff Logman, Glad you're with us. More from Doug
40:46
Speaker 3: coming up at five o'clock on the aptly named Doug
40:50
Speaker 3: Peterson Show on the Jaguars Radio Network. Well here plenty
40:55
Speaker 3: of from Doug in his press conference earlier this week.
40:58
Speaker 3: He'll be back with us in studio Week one, when
41:02
Speaker 3: the Jaguars visit the Indianapolis Colts to kick off the
41:05
Speaker 3: regular season. A lot going on. Training camp schedules are nuts.
41:08
Speaker 3: So we're giving him a few weeks off.
41:11
Speaker 2: That's okay, We're giving it to him. We're giving them
41:14
Speaker 2: time on throwing them a bone. That's what's happening.
41:17
Speaker 3: Yeah, coaches a bit busy, you know, coaching football. Yeah,
41:22
Speaker 3: that's the most important. I mean that, I will say
41:26
Speaker 3: just real quick. I mean, the demands of being a
41:29
Speaker 3: head coach in the National Football League are unbelievable. I mean,
41:34
Speaker 3: think about how many different moving parts there are to
41:39
Speaker 3: the football as an organization goes for the football operation
41:44
Speaker 3: at this time of year with just the number to
41:47
Speaker 3: sheer number of people, and I mean, heck, you got
41:52
Speaker 3: ninety guys. You got ninety one because they got yeah,
41:57
Speaker 3: and then you have the staff is handed for training
42:01
Speaker 3: camp to be able to handle the additional number of players.
42:04
Speaker 3: The demand turns in turns all across the board. You
42:09
Speaker 3: have walkthroughs, meetings, you're scheduling and planning for trips, et cetera.
42:16
Speaker 3: I mean, it's media. I mean, it's it's like never ending.
42:20
Speaker 3: I mean, I admire the guys that do that job
42:24
Speaker 3: well because it is a lot on their plate. It's
42:27
Speaker 3: not just coaching ball. I mean it's management, right, and
42:31
Speaker 3: and how people handle it. And tremendous amount of respect
42:35
Speaker 3: for Doug because he handles everything with such class and
42:41
Speaker 3: a nice calmness. You know, guys nice. I mean even
42:45
Speaker 3: he's you know, yeah, he's he's fantastic. I'm sure those
42:49
Speaker 3: wheels turn inside though for a guy that's successful, Oh yeah,
42:54
Speaker 3: that smart of an offensive mind. I mean, it's always
42:58
Speaker 3: moving in there. But he as cool as can be
43:00
Speaker 3: on the outside. He hides some frustration. Well, yes, times,
43:05
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. All coaches have it, All people
43:08
Speaker 3: have it sometimes, that's for sure. Hey, it's time for
43:11
Speaker 3: the injury report presented by Baptist Health and the Jacksonville
43:14
Speaker 3: Orthopedic Institute, the official sports medicine provider of the Jacksonville Jaguars.
43:20
Speaker 3: Three players in concussion protocol according to the team this afternoon.
43:24
Speaker 3: Tyson Campbell had the orange jersey off today and was
43:26
Speaker 3: out there practicing, but still is officially in the protocol.
43:31
Speaker 3: You mentioned you see Abdullah outside linebacker, rookie, he's in
43:34
Speaker 3: it now. Samus reyis the big Chilean tight end, is
43:39
Speaker 3: in there as well in the concussion protocol. Of course,
43:43
Speaker 3: Ben bartch into Want Smooth both in the physically unable
43:47
Speaker 3: to perform active list. Tyler Shatley still off to the
43:51
Speaker 3: side after his ap episode earlier in the week. No
43:55
Speaker 3: real timetable from the team on Shatley's return. You maybe
44:00
Speaker 3: could see Bart sometime in the near future. We'll see
44:03
Speaker 3: what happens with that, and then Smoot maybe into the
44:07
Speaker 3: season for him. Yeah, I think Smoot's going to be,
44:10
Speaker 3: you know, quite a way's end of the season. I
44:14
Speaker 3: think BArch may be back next week. Possibly, Hey, that'd
44:17
Speaker 3: be good. You know. So he's kind of chomping at
44:18
Speaker 3: the bit to get out there. He's worked on you well,
44:20
Speaker 3: we watch him work on the side. I mean, the
44:22
Speaker 3: guy's been i mean just getting after it on the side.
44:25
Speaker 2: You know.
44:25
Speaker 3: When I say on the side, he's not wearing pads
44:28
Speaker 3: or a helmet or anything because you can on pup,
44:30
Speaker 3: but he's working some individual type drills with trainers and
44:36
Speaker 3: the strength and conditioning staff. I mean, he's definitely looks
44:41
Speaker 3: I mean just what the eye test, it looks like
44:43
Speaker 3: he's really close to being ready to go, and that
44:47
Speaker 3: would you know, hey, get him out there. He started
44:49
Speaker 3: the year last year, and there's all these this talk
44:52
Speaker 3: about oh hey, Walker Little's practicing it left guard and
44:56
Speaker 3: what happens when Cam comes back he slide automatically. Well,
44:58
Speaker 3: if bart' is fine and he's playing good ball and
45:01
Speaker 3: he's healthy, and that's a moot point, right, well, I
45:04
Speaker 3: mean it could be.
45:05
Speaker 2: I mean, look, here's the reality.
45:07
Speaker 3: Ben Bartch hasn't played football in a long time, okay,
45:10
Speaker 3: and he's coming back from a pretty significant knee injury
45:14
Speaker 3: that he sustained last year. So just you know, assuming okay,
45:17
Speaker 3: he's back doesn't mean that he's going to be back
45:19
Speaker 3: to form.
45:20
Speaker 2: He's got to be able to.
45:23
Speaker 3: Get back to playing football and making sure that the
45:27
Speaker 3: leg is strong. And it's not a thought now when
45:31
Speaker 3: you come back from a significant knee injury.
45:33
Speaker 2: I had to do it.
45:35
Speaker 3: You think you're ready when you're doing all these kind
45:37
Speaker 3: of drills on the side, but then it's the things
45:40
Speaker 3: that you don't think about is where that has to
45:44
Speaker 3: start to come naturally. You know, where your knee and
45:47
Speaker 3: the muscles are all firing without you sitting there going
45:50
Speaker 3: you know, make it fire, make it fire, and being
45:52
Speaker 3: conscious about it. So I mean it's you can't assume
45:56
Speaker 3: that he's going to be back and be one hundred percent.
45:58
Speaker 3: You can't assume that he's going to be back and
46:00
Speaker 3: immediately pick up where he left off before the injury.
46:03
Speaker 3: So there's going to be some work that needs to
46:04
Speaker 3: be put in to get back to that level for him.
46:07
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, could Shatley hold on to it?
46:12
Speaker 3: I mean, I mean that is a possibility. Shatley played
46:16
Speaker 3: really well last year. You know, could you end up
46:19
Speaker 3: having Walker Little moved to left guard? That's all hypothetical.
46:23
Speaker 3: You know, maybe he's playing well enough where he's you're
46:26
Speaker 3: not going to move him. There's just so many different
46:29
Speaker 3: things that you don't know. I think as a coaching
46:31
Speaker 3: staff and as a personnel staff, you just have to
46:34
Speaker 3: let your eyes tell you what you need to do.
46:39
Speaker 3: Some football has to happen, and it hasn't happened yet.
46:43
Speaker 3: It's been a couple of weeks of camp, but all
46:45
Speaker 3: these games kind of change things. But I'm excited for
46:48
Speaker 3: for BArch to get back a couple of reasons. One,
46:50
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's it's no fun not playing football
46:52
Speaker 3: when you get injured. But if you look at where
46:56
Speaker 3: he started his rookie season to where he was was
46:59
Speaker 3: getting last year. I mean, he had made tremendous improvement.
47:04
Speaker 3: I think the year before I said that he was
47:06
Speaker 3: one of the most improved players that I've seen in
47:08
Speaker 3: a long time in this organization. I thought he did
47:10
Speaker 3: a tremendous job. And so I'm excited for him to
47:13
Speaker 3: get back to playing football because he's still a young
47:17
Speaker 3: player that I think has a He's got a lot
47:20
Speaker 3: of things to help this football team. With three quick
47:24
Speaker 3: things you want to see Saturday go well. Number One,
47:29
Speaker 3: you want to see the team look organized, which I
47:31
Speaker 3: expect nothing less than that from a Doug Peterson coach
47:34
Speaker 3: football team. I want to see a team that plays fast,
47:37
Speaker 3: and I want to see a team that plays tough,
47:41
Speaker 3: because that's what football is. It's a tough game, and
47:43
Speaker 3: they're playing fast and that means they're playing free. And
47:47
Speaker 3: in the first game, that's you want to see organization,
47:49
Speaker 3: playing fast and being tough. And I think if you
47:52
Speaker 3: can accomplish those three things in the first game, it's
47:56
Speaker 3: a great start. Doug Peterson Show coming up in just
47:58
Speaker 3: a couple of minutes, will of course, here plenty from
48:01
Speaker 3: Doug Peterson in his press conference Earlier in the week.
48:04
Speaker 3: We also here from Andre Cisco. I had a chance
48:06
Speaker 3: to catch up with the JAG's third year safety. Really
48:10
Speaker 3: his second year on the field, didn't get much time
48:12
Speaker 3: at all. Obviously in twenty one at the end of
48:17
Speaker 3: the season, he did after there was a coaching change,
48:20
Speaker 3: and he was out there all last year. He has
48:22
Speaker 3: been in the weight room this offseason, logs and looks
48:25
Speaker 3: like a totally different player out there well. And he
48:27
Speaker 3: looked great last year. Yeah, I mean he's but he's
48:30
Speaker 3: just bigger now physically. Last year he was like very
48:35
Speaker 3: in great shape, and this year he looks in great
48:36
Speaker 3: shape as well. And I'm looking for big things from
48:40
Speaker 3: Cisco because the one thing that he has which you
48:43
Speaker 3: don't need a lot of big muscles to do, he's
48:46
Speaker 3: got great ball skills. I mean his ability to make
48:50
Speaker 3: plays on the ball and catch the ball. He might
48:54
Speaker 3: have missed his calling at some point and maybe I
48:57
Speaker 3: don't know exactly which coach made the move to take
48:59
Speaker 3: him away from wide receiver to move him to safety,
49:01
Speaker 3: but I mean he's got great ball skills. And most
49:05
Speaker 3: corners dbs would claim, oh yeah, I could play. They
49:08
Speaker 3: all think they can right until but they can't. Yeah, Cisco,
49:12
Speaker 3: I guarantee you that you could move him and play
49:14
Speaker 3: wide receiver slash tight end because he's a little bigger
49:18
Speaker 3: and he and he's got great hands. You wouldn't worry
49:20
Speaker 3: about him for having many drops. You like these safeties
49:24
Speaker 3: on this team.
49:24
Speaker 2: I love them.
49:25
Speaker 3: I think I think it's one of the strongest position
49:27
Speaker 3: on the entire football team. Yeah, I mean you got to.
49:30
Speaker 3: You got guys that literally if you lost your frontline guys,
49:34
Speaker 3: you'd feel really good about the second team at both
49:37
Speaker 3: positions being starters for that. Coming up next, Jaguars Radio
49:42
Speaker 3: Network coverage of The Doug Peterson Show. Or thanks to
49:45
Speaker 3: Kay Stevens, Joe Fortunado on the audio side, Brent Reeber
49:48
Speaker 3: on the video for Jeff Logman. I'm JP Shadrick. Thank
49:52
Speaker 3: you for listening to Jaguars Happy Hour.