Latest / Foul Territory / Marlins checkup: What will the Fish do at the trade deadline?
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- 0:07Speaker 1: You're the Marlins beat writer and editor for fish On First.
- 0:10Speaker 1: We love you over there on Fish at First. What
- 0:13Speaker 1: happened to the.
- 0:14Speaker 2: Fish Yeah, I mean coming off that twenty and six
- 0:17Speaker 2: month of June. I think that was when the last
- 0:19Speaker 2: time I was on with you guys, the things were
- 0:20Speaker 2: going great, and unfortunately they've just sort of hit a
- 0:23Speaker 2: wall here in the month of July. I think the
- 0:25Speaker 2: first thing we can look at is the starting is
- 0:27Speaker 2: the pitching in general. Actually, over the month of June
- 0:29Speaker 2: they had an ERA in the low threes three zero
- 0:32Speaker 2: eight to be exact, and in the month of July
- 0:34Speaker 2: so far they're in the mid fourth. So I think
- 0:36Speaker 2: that's not going to help. Injuries have really taken a
- 0:38Speaker 2: toll on this team. I think you look at injuries
- 0:41Speaker 2: to Anthony Bender, Josh Ecnes, John King, that has really
- 0:45Speaker 2: hurt this bullpen in a big way. I think, you know,
- 0:47Speaker 2: the look at the way that Pete Fairbriks has struggled
- 0:49Speaker 2: a little bit. Who knows if he'd be closing games
- 0:51Speaker 2: out right now if those guys were healthy. So and
- 0:54Speaker 2: then you look at Max Meyer, one of their.
- 0:56Speaker 3: All star pitchers.
- 0:57Speaker 2: They're all Star pitcher going on the aisle as well
- 0:59Speaker 2: with the next strain, it's not going to help either.
- 1:01Speaker 2: So injuries, inconsistencies from the offense, and just a really
- 1:06Speaker 2: tough bullpen month so far has really been the key
- 1:08Speaker 2: to why they've struggled so much.
- 1:10Speaker 1: It makes sense, that makes sense, you know. Twenty twenty
- 1:13Speaker 1: three they lost eight straight coming out of the All
- 1:15Speaker 1: Star Break also, and they made the playoffs. So Clayton McCullough,
- 1:18Speaker 1: people want to jump off the bandwagon? Are there people
- 1:20Speaker 1: on the Fish bandwagon? On the Marlins bandwagon? Has there more?
- 1:23Speaker 1: Have they started to get some more fans at Marlins Park.
- 1:27Speaker 2: That stretch towards the end of June before even when
- 1:30Speaker 2: they got swept by Cleveland at home leading into the
- 1:32Speaker 2: All Star Break, it was pretty loud at Loan Deevo Park.
- 1:34Speaker 3: The crowds showed up.
- 1:35Speaker 2: Unfortunately, every time it feels like the crowd shows up,
- 1:38Speaker 2: the team sort of struggles a little bit.
- 1:40Speaker 3: It's unfortunate.
- 1:41Speaker 2: I've been with this team for a long time and
- 1:43Speaker 2: that sort of seems to be the way it goes here.
- 1:45Speaker 2: But yeah, no, it's there seems to be a lot
- 1:47Speaker 2: of excitement with this team. There hasn't been many times
- 1:49Speaker 2: where the team has been ten games over five hundred,
- 1:51Speaker 2: which is what they were eight games ago, I guess,
- 1:55Speaker 2: but there does seem to be a little bit more of.
- 1:59Speaker 3: Favoritism towards them so far in South Florida.
- 2:01Speaker 4: Right now, Isaac, I'm not sure you were super excited
- 2:04Speaker 4: last time your own it was your birthday. You wish
- 2:07Speaker 4: you a happy birthday? Is your down demeanor today because
- 2:11Speaker 4: the Marlins are losing? Or is it because I just
- 2:16Speaker 4: don't see how they're going to get out of it
- 2:19Speaker 4: with all the injuries, with the changes that you've seen
- 2:22Speaker 4: that you know, the bullpen hasn't pitched, all the things
- 2:24Speaker 4: that you already mentioned.
- 2:25Speaker 5: Do you see not see a way out of it?
- 2:29Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're looking at a lot of
- 2:31Speaker 2: other teams in the nationally they are struggling as well.
- 2:33Speaker 2: So fortunately, despite this eight game losing streak, they are
- 2:36Speaker 2: just one game out of the final wildcard spot.
- 2:38Speaker 3: The problem that I.
- 2:39Speaker 2: Have is that there are so many teams fighting for
- 2:42Speaker 2: that third and final wildcard spot that it's going to
- 2:44Speaker 2: probably make Peter Bendixen Company maybe a little hesitant to
- 2:47Speaker 2: go be very aggressive at the trade deadline. I'd never
- 2:50Speaker 2: thought they were going to go all in But you know,
- 2:53Speaker 2: last time I was on, I told you guys, hey, yeah,
- 2:55Speaker 2: they're gonna add some spieces, but a lot can happen
- 2:57Speaker 2: between now and then. And look how much has happened
- 2:59Speaker 2: so well, there are still two games over. They're very
- 3:02Speaker 2: much in the thick of it, but I don't foresee
- 3:04Speaker 2: them being as aggressive as I thought they could have
- 3:06Speaker 2: been when I spoke to.
- 3:08Speaker 3: You guys, what was it two weeks ago.
- 3:10Speaker 2: They will get some of these guys back, the aforementioned
- 3:12Speaker 2: Bender and King. They will see them back in early August,
- 3:15Speaker 2: so maybe you could look at them as sort of
- 3:17Speaker 2: acquisitions post deadline.
- 3:20Speaker 3: Max Meyer, hopefully we'll be back.
- 3:21Speaker 2: We haven't really heard the diagnosis on him quite yet,
- 3:23Speaker 2: since he went to Los Angeles to get checked out,
- 3:26Speaker 2: and I would be surprised that they didn't add some
- 3:28Speaker 2: sort of arm to their rotation. I think they need
- 3:30Speaker 2: some depth and maybe a third basement, but I'm so
- 3:32Speaker 2: cautiously optimistic that they can keep.
- 3:34Speaker 3: This interesting throughout at least September.
- 3:38Speaker 4: Is this a case of, well, you know what, you
- 3:40Speaker 4: didn't spend anything in the off season. Now when stuff
- 3:44Speaker 4: hits the fan, now we have or is that just
- 3:46Speaker 4: a lazy narrative, and this team is built differently and
- 3:52Speaker 4: they're going to be able to add that sort of
- 3:56Speaker 4: basement Peter Bendex is going to be because when they
- 3:58Speaker 4: were winning, you came on before your birthday and you
- 4:01Speaker 4: even say, you're like.
- 4:02Speaker 5: I don't know if this team's really gonna if they
- 4:05Speaker 5: need to or not.
- 4:07Speaker 4: So is this a career or a ten year defining
- 4:10Speaker 4: moment for Peter Bendex, Because you know what the players
- 4:14Speaker 4: have said, we're good enough. You put us out on
- 4:17Speaker 4: this field. We're good enough.
- 4:18Speaker 5: Now you have to do something for us.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a fair point. I think it's
- 4:24Speaker 2: a combination of all those things.
- 4:26Speaker 3: I think they.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Could have certainly added some more pitching death the minute
- 4:30Speaker 2: that Yuri Perez went down and Robbie Snelling went down
- 4:32Speaker 2: and Thomas White went down, I was very shocked that
- 4:35Speaker 2: they didn't go outside the organization for some sort of
- 4:37Speaker 2: major league pitching help.
- 4:38Speaker 3: I think that would have helped a lot.
- 4:41Speaker 2: But yeah, I think there aren't many opportunities for a
- 4:44Speaker 2: team like the Marlins to be contenders, and this is
- 4:47Speaker 2: one of those opportunities. And it does say a lot
- 4:49Speaker 2: in the clubhouse. What Peter Bendix will do Now the
- 4:51Speaker 2: team continues to lose, I don't think the players can
- 4:54Speaker 2: really argue much for them not to go super ultra
- 4:56Speaker 2: aggressive shopping at the trade deadline. But if they get
- 4:59Speaker 2: back on their horse, I think there's nine games between
- 5:01Speaker 2: now and the deadline on August third. If they go
- 5:04Speaker 2: six and three or you know, five and four, I
- 5:07Speaker 2: think you could see Peter Bendix maybe make some moves here.
- 5:12Speaker 5: All right, Well, Bruce sher you interviewed Bruce Sherman. Correct,
- 5:14Speaker 5: that was you interviewing him.
- 5:17Speaker 2: It was my colleague Kevin Brawl and I. We had
- 5:19Speaker 2: the very nice opportunity to interview the owner of the team.
- 5:23Speaker 4: Yes, okay, was that a moment where okay, and obviously
- 5:29Speaker 4: we've talked about how they've struggled since an interview. It's
- 5:32Speaker 4: not your fault your interview. It wasn't you and your
- 5:34Speaker 4: colleagues screwing that up. But was that a moment where
- 5:38Speaker 4: you heard different things from Bruce Sherman that Peter Bendex
- 5:42Speaker 4: has full autonomy to make the moves that he needs
- 5:46Speaker 4: to make.
- 5:48Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's pretty much what it's what he said
- 5:51Speaker 2: on the interview is pretty much what I had been
- 5:53Speaker 2: hearing all year long. He's got all the ability to
- 5:56Speaker 2: make any move that he needs.
- 5:58Speaker 3: I think the.
- 5:58Speaker 2: One part that he would made very clear when he
- 6:00Speaker 2: made an appearance on Marlins Radio as well as on
- 6:03Speaker 2: our show, is that he is very fond of Sandy
- 6:05Speaker 2: Alcntra for obvious reasons. I think that's the one move
- 6:08Speaker 2: where he Peter Bendix. If let's say, for example, he
- 6:11Speaker 2: does make a trade for involving Sandy, there'd be some
- 6:14Speaker 2: sort of discourse going on upstairs. But everything else, Peter
- 6:17Speaker 2: Bendis has full atonomy to add whatever payroll is necessary
- 6:20Speaker 2: to this roster, whether it's this trade deadline, whether it's
- 6:23Speaker 2: next offseason whenever that truly does begin. But yeah, no,
- 6:27Speaker 2: Peter Bendis has the green light to go ahead and
- 6:30Speaker 2: do whatever he feels his best to help this team
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- 7:36Speaker 4: Isaac, you said, if they go six and three, I
- 7:39Speaker 4: gotta play the other part of it. What if they
- 7:41Speaker 4: go three and six? What piece do you feel like
- 7:45Speaker 4: they can move? Sandy's off the table there From what
- 7:49Speaker 4: Bruce Sherman is saying, full autonomy, but not quite full
- 7:53Speaker 4: like mostly full. But what piece do you think they
- 7:56Speaker 4: could move that would push this team to contend next year,
- 8:01Speaker 4: because clearly they were in contention this year and they
- 8:05Speaker 4: have the pieces and it's not a get rid of
- 8:07Speaker 4: this player for four high A prospects. Or do you
- 8:11Speaker 4: think Peter Bendex is in that role where he's gonna say, Okay,
- 8:15Speaker 4: we can make this move and will be competitive next
- 8:18Speaker 4: year because we just went three and six and we're
- 8:20Speaker 4: out of it now.
- 8:21Speaker 3: That's a good question.
- 8:22Speaker 2: That's something that I asked someone in the organization earlier today.
- 8:27Speaker 2: There aren't many guys that I would I know that
- 8:29Speaker 2: they have a couple of pitching the arms down in
- 8:31Speaker 2: Tripa A Jacksonville major League guys like Brex and Garrett.
- 8:34Speaker 2: I think that's someone that you could see maybe flipped
- 8:36Speaker 2: at the deadline for either help now or for the future.
- 8:39Speaker 2: Regarding the major league roster, I think whatever team is
- 8:42Speaker 2: going to overpay for one of their guys like an
- 8:45Speaker 2: Xavier Edwards or a Liam Hicks, if some team really
- 8:48Speaker 2: values those guys a lot, I think that's someone that
- 8:50Speaker 2: you could see Peter dangle a little bit and really
- 8:53Speaker 2: sell high on. Even though Xavier Edwards has sort of
- 8:55Speaker 2: struggled a little bit as of late, regressing a bit
- 8:57Speaker 2: to the mean in his case. But I think those
- 9:00Speaker 2: are two names that I could maybe squint and see
- 9:03Speaker 2: them dangling. But I don't think you'll see anything remotely
- 9:06Speaker 2: close to what we saw in twenty twenty four deadline,
- 9:07Speaker 2: when they traded maybe eighty percent of their major league
- 9:10Speaker 2: roster at the deadline. I don't know if you guys
- 9:12Speaker 2: remember that one of Rogers Jazz, everyone was gone. I
- 9:15Speaker 2: think you'll see something more similar to last year's deadline.
- 9:18Speaker 2: You might see a trade here there Hayesus Sanchez for example,
- 9:21Speaker 2: is traded. You might see a reliever or two dealt
- 9:24Speaker 2: as well from the major league roster. But I don't
- 9:27Speaker 2: foresee such big monumental moves this time around, unfortunately. And now,
- 9:31Speaker 2: if there were fifteen games over five hundred, that would
- 9:33Speaker 2: have been a different case.
- 9:35Speaker 4: It would have been but the one name he brought up,
- 9:37Speaker 4: and this has been a catcher centric show led by
- 9:39Speaker 4: two catchers. We've talked about the catching position. This trade
- 9:45Speaker 4: deadline is a position that is very very in need now. Obviously,
- 9:50Speaker 4: teams wanting the Shee Langeleers, the Hunter Goodman's, those types
- 9:54Speaker 4: of names, but Liam Hicks. Liam Hicks is essentially all
- 9:58Speaker 4: but lost his position and behind the dish. And as
- 10:02Speaker 4: I was told in my career, you can find anybody
- 10:05Speaker 4: to be a backup catcher because Joe Mack is now
- 10:07Speaker 4: the catcher and Liam Hicks isn't really your prototypical playoff
- 10:11Speaker 4: winning DH. So does he get dangled more than what
- 10:16Speaker 4: you just said where it's kind of like only if
- 10:18Speaker 4: they're paying paying or overpaying.
- 10:20Speaker 5: If a team's overpaying for.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Him, you would think, and I would say that that
- 10:24Speaker 2: would make a lot of sense. The thing is, it's
- 10:26Speaker 2: very valuable to have two really good options behind the plate.
- 10:30Speaker 2: This is a team that's a franchise that historically, since
- 10:32Speaker 2: Real Muto has not had anyone solid behind the dish,
- 10:35Speaker 2: they've run through a lot of options that just have
- 10:37Speaker 2: not come to fruition. And if you have two really
- 10:40Speaker 2: you know, I would say, blue chip guys that you
- 10:42Speaker 2: could dish out there behind the plate, I think you
- 10:45Speaker 2: keep them. You look at what teams like the Braves
- 10:47Speaker 2: that Alexanthopolis are the best executives in all of Major
- 10:50Speaker 2: League Baseball.
- 10:50Speaker 3: He likes to have multiple options behind the dish.
- 10:52Speaker 2: And that's not even counting what the Marlins having Augustine
- 10:55Speaker 2: Ramirez down in Tripa Jacksonville.
- 10:58Speaker 3: Whether you can catch or not, we can debate that
- 11:00Speaker 3: another day.
- 11:01Speaker 2: But if it were me, I would I wouldn't try
- 11:04Speaker 2: and get too cute with it.
- 11:05Speaker 3: I would try and keep Liam Hicks.
- 11:06Speaker 2: But I would also understand, hey, you have Joe Mack,
- 11:09Speaker 2: you can get a backup catch and get a Jeff
- 11:11Speaker 2: Mathis type or Amocrats type and fill that void elsewhere
- 11:15Speaker 2: and really sell high on Liam Hicks.
- 11:17Speaker 3: So I see both sides.
- 11:20Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, I get it. And don't put Jeff Mathis'
- 11:23Speaker 4: name in my name. That would be hideous for his
- 11:26Speaker 4: career that you would that I would be contributing the
- 11:29Speaker 4: same way he did. But I have one more for you,
- 11:32Speaker 4: and it's on another position that every team wants Pete Fairbanks.
- 11:37Speaker 5: I get it.
- 11:38Speaker 4: You look at his numbers and you say eh, but
- 11:41Speaker 4: he has a track record of being a very good,
- 11:44Speaker 4: reliable late inning and closer throughout his career. What you've
- 11:48Speaker 4: seen from him is that a piece that you could
- 11:53Speaker 4: that a team could say, Okay, yes we can, we
- 11:56Speaker 4: can plug him in. Maybe not as our closer. Maybe
- 11:58Speaker 4: he got he has to get his feet wet. But
- 12:00Speaker 4: you've seen him on a daily basis. Does he still
- 12:03Speaker 4: have it? And he's just gone through a rough stretch.
- 12:06Speaker 3: The stuff's there. There is a day that I want
- 12:08Speaker 3: to circle.
- 12:09Speaker 2: Early April, he was coming off a few of I
- 12:12Speaker 2: think perfect doubtings in his to start his Marlin's career,
- 12:15Speaker 2: he was expecting his third child. They had him start
- 12:17Speaker 2: a game in New York in order to make it
- 12:19Speaker 2: back home to be there for the birth of his child.
- 12:22Speaker 3: And since then it has just not been the same.
- 12:24Speaker 3: Pete Fairbanks.
- 12:25Speaker 2: He's been in a lot of non safe situations, but
- 12:28Speaker 2: they were still in the nineteen four run games that
- 12:30Speaker 2: he's really just blown up on a little bit. And
- 12:32Speaker 2: even in the safe situations, he's just given up a
- 12:34Speaker 2: few home runs here and there. So I think he
- 12:37Speaker 2: still has it. The stuff is still there, the velocity
- 12:39Speaker 2: is there, the break is there. I just think the
- 12:41Speaker 2: execution just has failed him a little bit so far.
- 12:44Speaker 2: But to answer your question, Yeah, I certainly do think
- 12:46Speaker 2: that there are some teams that would certainly find him
- 12:48Speaker 2: valuable for them. The fact that he's making as much
- 12:51Speaker 2: money as he is would certainly make it worthwhile.
- 12:54Speaker 3: For the Marlins to trade him at this point as well.
- 12:56Speaker 2: I'm not sure how much they would be able to
- 12:58Speaker 2: get for him, but it's it's tough with Fairbanks. It
- 13:00Speaker 2: seems like every time the Marlins pay a lot of
- 13:02Speaker 2: money for a closer, it ends up this way. But
- 13:05Speaker 2: I do think he has performed better than what the
- 13:07Speaker 2: service numbers would indicate. He's not a seven and a
- 13:09Speaker 2: half era pitcher, but he's just not been able to
- 13:13Speaker 2: get it done so far.
- 13:15Speaker 4: Isaac.
- 13:16Speaker 1: You know the Marlins have signed twenty o their twenty
- 13:18Speaker 1: one draft picks. They have some prospects coming up. If
- 13:20Speaker 1: they were to go buyer mode, is there a name
- 13:23Speaker 1: that you would say it was untouchable in the Marlins organization.
- 13:27Speaker 3: Untouchable and the in the pharmacist.
- 13:30Speaker 1: Prospect in the prospect world, not in that not on
- 13:32Speaker 1: their I mean, Joe Mack would probably be one they
- 13:34Speaker 1: wouldn't want to trade, right so Otto Lopez is probably
- 13:37Speaker 1: on that list of guys.
- 13:38Speaker 3: They wouldn't want to move.
- 13:39Speaker 1: And I'm talking on the big league team. But is
- 13:42Speaker 1: there somebody that the Marlins talk about prospect wise that
- 13:45Speaker 1: they say absolutely not. If they let's say they go
- 13:47Speaker 1: seven to two and they're right there in they're a
- 13:49Speaker 1: wildcar and they need to go get a starter, and
- 13:51Speaker 1: they need to go get whatever they need that they
- 13:53Speaker 1: would say absolutely not to.
- 13:56Speaker 2: Yeah, they are very high on their double outfielding highlighted
- 14:00Speaker 2: by Dylan Lewis.
- 14:01Speaker 3: I think they really like cam Canerella as well.
- 14:03Speaker 2: Thomas White, he was arguably a top ten prospect in
- 14:08Speaker 2: all of Major League baseball. Unfortunately just ended up within
- 14:10Speaker 2: a season ending injury this year. I would still say
- 14:13Speaker 2: he's untouchable as well. They really like Robbie Snelling. Unfortunately,
- 14:16Speaker 2: a lot of these guys have just sort of graduated.
- 14:19Speaker 2: Joe Mack graduated this year, for example, Own Casey graduated
- 14:21Speaker 2: this year. So I think Dylan Lewis is that one
- 14:25Speaker 2: guy that they do not want to move on from
- 14:27Speaker 2: and to and to sort of flip flop a couple
- 14:29Speaker 2: of high end projects that I do think that they
- 14:31Speaker 2: can maybe sell high on. Someone is like Carson Milbrandt.
- 14:34Speaker 2: I think that's someone that's had a spectacular twenty twenty
- 14:38Speaker 2: sixth season who maybe they can sell high on. But
- 14:40Speaker 2: the answer is Dylan Lewis. I think he's someone that
- 14:43Speaker 2: they are really really fond of.
- 14:45Speaker 4: Hey, Isaac, you're saying they've all graduated to the big
- 14:48Speaker 4: leagues and now the team is winning. So this is
- 14:51Speaker 4: when now mode, this is ue mode. This is the mode.
- 14:56Speaker 4: So my last question, what is, regardless of how they
- 15:01Speaker 4: do in the next ten games, what is a big
- 15:05Speaker 4: move at this deadline that makes them a serious contender
- 15:10Speaker 4: in the East, in the National League for next season.
- 15:15Speaker 2: Great question, Eric, If the Red Sox didn't win a
- 15:19Speaker 2: million games in a row, I would have set a
- 15:20Speaker 2: role as Chapman to Miami acquire him, solidify the back
- 15:23Speaker 2: end of that bullpen, and you got to go get
- 15:25Speaker 2: yourself a third baseman. I would have said, go get
- 15:27Speaker 2: Ezekiel Durant from Texas. I'm not sure if they're gonna
- 15:30Speaker 2: sell either, but you solidify third base, you shore of
- 15:34Speaker 2: the back end of that bullpen, You let Maximyi return,
- 15:37Speaker 2: you let Bender King Ecnes return, and all of a sudden,
- 15:40Speaker 2: you've got to really sell the team again.
- 15:43Speaker 1: Now with the Fish too, normally though, Isaac. But we'll see,
- 15:46Speaker 1: we'll see.
- 15:47Speaker 5: It's good. It's good new fish. These are new these
- 15:50Speaker 5: are new fish.
- 15:51Speaker 1: It's good for baseball in Florida that the Rays and
- 15:54Speaker 1: the Marlins are good because it gets more fans, it
- 15:56Speaker 1: gets people excited and listen to Marlins have two worlds
- 15:59Speaker 1: to less. People forget. They always are like, oh, but
- 16:02Speaker 1: they do have two World Series in the last one
- 16:05Speaker 1: thirty thirty years, So I mean, it's not like they
- 16:08Speaker 1: have just never won. It's not like they're the Mariners
- 16:10Speaker 1: have never been to a World Series. They've they've been
- 16:13Speaker 1: to two and they won them both. So it's it's
- 16:14Speaker 1: it's it can be a good place to go. So Isaac,
- 16:17Speaker 1: thank you.