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A look at intriguing debuts in the Rivalry Series · The PodKaz: USCHO Women's Hockey

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Speaker 1: Uscho dot com. Hi everyone, welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm Todd Molusky here with Nicole Hosey from us CHO
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Speaker 1: our weekly look at NCAA Women's hockey and Nicole we'll
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Speaker 1: have some thoughts later on the show about the Rivalry
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Speaker 1: series which contains a lot of well current some current
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Speaker 1: NCAA players, but a lot of former NCAA players that
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Speaker 1: happening this week out on the West Coast or Western
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Speaker 1: US I guess more accurately, but let's get into what
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Speaker 1: we saw last weekend h in the NCAAA games, and
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Speaker 1: there were some I think important results for a couple
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Speaker 1: of ECAC teams, notably Quinnipiac. I want to start with
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Speaker 1: them because they bounce back with a couple of really
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Speaker 1: big wins, beating Clarkson and sat Lawrence.
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Speaker 2: I think we talked about this last week.
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Speaker 1: It was gonna be important for them to get back
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Speaker 1: going after having a rough weekend, and sure looks like
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Speaker 1: they did it right.
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Speaker 3: And we were talking about like somebody like assuming it's
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Speaker 3: not gonna in a tie, somebody is gonna have the
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Speaker 3: bounce back right and somebody's gonna still be looking for
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Speaker 3: that in Quinnipec definitely came out on top. So kudas
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Speaker 3: to them. I think, you know, they've got they've had
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Speaker 3: there a team that's had a ton of roster turnover
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Speaker 3: due to the portal the past few seasons, and so
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Speaker 3: I think maybe they just needed a little bit of
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Speaker 3: time to sort of put it all together and in
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Speaker 3: gel as a team. But yeah, they had two strong outings.
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Speaker 3: You know, they made Clerkson's, extended Clerkson's losing streak and
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Speaker 3: just really put together a nice complete set of games
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Speaker 3: in which they spread the scoring around. They really seem
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Speaker 3: to have brought things together. They're a team that lost
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Speaker 3: a lot of their roster, had a lot of turnover
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Speaker 3: due to the transfer portal of the past few seasons,
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Speaker 3: and it looks like maybe they just needed, you know,
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Speaker 3: a couple of weeks for things to gel. But they
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Speaker 3: put together two really complete games and kind of came
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Speaker 3: out showing that they might be the ecy of all
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Speaker 3: the conversations we're having Buddy c AC teams. Maybe they're
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Speaker 3: the one we should have been talking about more.
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Speaker 1: Quinne and piaca three nothing win over Clarkson on Friday.
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Speaker 1: That one was one nothing until a couple of empty
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Speaker 1: net goals, but Kaylee Doyle thirty saves for the shutout
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Speaker 1: for Quinnipiac and then they they turned around on Saturday
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Speaker 1: and got to get to the score here. I know
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Speaker 1: they won, but to get to the score to beat
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Speaker 1: Saint Lawrence three to one. So a really good defensive
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Speaker 1: weekend for Quinnipiac, and I know that's I feel like
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Speaker 1: that's where it's going to start, is you're going to
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Speaker 1: be based in having a strong defense and goaltending, and.
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Speaker 2: Some other ECAC teams need to find that.
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Speaker 1: I mean that that's kind of what it feels like
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Speaker 1: it's coming down to, is the teams that we've normally
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Speaker 1: seen have strong defenses haven't been as strong.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. What I thought was interesting about that game too,
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Speaker 3: is that when I saw you know, that was basically
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Speaker 3: when I was doing recaps. You know, I put through
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Speaker 3: a lot of games over the course of the weekend,
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Speaker 3: so I kind of have to remind myself. And I
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Speaker 3: went and looked and Quinnipiac only had nine blocks that
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Speaker 3: came which I kind of was thinking like, oh, they
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Speaker 3: you know, not a ton of shots on goal or
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Speaker 3: not a ton of saaves, right, So I was like, well,
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Speaker 3: maybe there'd be a ton of blocks, but no, they
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Speaker 3: really it was more shut down in possession and really
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Speaker 3: keeping the puck to the exterior and never really getting
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Speaker 3: letting clerks and getting closed. I mean, both teams had
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Speaker 3: both goalies had thirty says, both teams had nine blocks.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, kudos to them for just really shutting it
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Speaker 3: down and sort of maybe not the way you would
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Speaker 3: have expected. And I know Quinnipiac always has has been
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Speaker 3: a defense first team, and so that's something that that
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Speaker 3: they pride themselves on. So it's unsurprising to me that
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Speaker 3: maybe they're the first ones to figure that out because
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Speaker 3: I think that that's just sort of the basis of
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Speaker 3: where they build out their squad.
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Speaker 1: Lip side of that is that Clarkson had suddenly had
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Speaker 1: three straight losses after.
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Speaker 2: Losing to quinn Piak on Friday.
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Speaker 1: They did right the ship with a six to three
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Speaker 1: win at Princeton on Saturday, but in those now it's
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Speaker 1: it's four straight games that that Clarkson has allowed three
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Speaker 1: goals or more. And it looked it up that was
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Speaker 1: the last time that's happened was the last four games
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Speaker 1: of the twenty twenty one to twenty two seasons, So
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Speaker 1: it's been a while, and we know Clarkson has been
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Speaker 1: right along those same lines. A team that you know
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Speaker 1: is going to be anchored by the defense. Obviously, they
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Speaker 1: have some really talented scores. They have had some really
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Speaker 1: talented scorers over the year too, but you know it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be tough to get through them. But but they've
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Speaker 1: had some some lapses in that lately, and I would
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Speaker 1: imagine that's where they're going right back to the titan
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Speaker 1: things up again. Is you know, if we're gonna make
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Speaker 1: make this a run happen this season, it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna be with some goal scoring, but
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Speaker 1: anchored by the defensive side.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's someone that I think we just kind of
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Speaker 3: have to see how how they get along though, right
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Speaker 3: because you look at it and you're like, oh, there's
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Speaker 3: seven and three, But then you look at those early
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Speaker 3: games where against teams they absolutely should be beating, and
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Speaker 3: then it's like when they started playing you know, their
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Speaker 3: conference schedule, then things got a little haarrier. I do
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Speaker 3: think too, that like the situation there is that they
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Speaker 3: really expected to have a different goal tending situation, right.
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Speaker 3: They expected to have Michelle Paseecchic she chose to not
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Speaker 3: come back for her fifth year and continue with a
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Speaker 3: career outside of hockey, and so definitely don't want to
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Speaker 3: pick on Julia Menotti, but also, like I think they
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Speaker 3: just are in a different situation where maybe they had
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Speaker 3: had learned some systems and built some ideas of being
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Speaker 3: able to leave Michelle Paseechnak on her own in back
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Speaker 3: at knowing that she would save them, and Julia Minotti
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Speaker 3: just needs more confidence and more experience before they're in
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Speaker 3: a position like that. So I think that there's just
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Speaker 3: been needed to be some shifting for them about how
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Speaker 3: they're approaching things and needing to put more focus on
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Speaker 3: the defense as opposed to being so I mean, their
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Speaker 3: defenders are very offensive minded, right, and so like when
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Speaker 3: you have Hailey Win back there, it makes a difference, right,
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I think maybe there's just needed to be
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Speaker 3: a little bit of a shift in philosophy of how
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Speaker 3: they're approaching things, and and Michelle not returning changed the
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Speaker 3: way they've had to go out things.
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Speaker 1: Another team that I would say had a surprising start
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Speaker 1: of the season, Cornell was one three and one after
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Speaker 1: losing the Union on I believe on Friday or what
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Speaker 1: a game got a rebound win with a seven nothing
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Speaker 1: win against Rensselair on Saturday.
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Speaker 2: But what do you make of Cornell?
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Speaker 1: What's out of the gates, Here's what's what should we
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Speaker 1: be looking for here to to see what's going to
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Speaker 1: stabilize or not.
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Speaker 3: It's head scratching, isn't it. I I think for them
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Speaker 3: they have the opposite, right, they have great goaltending and
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Speaker 3: they haven't really had the scoring. They haven't really been
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Speaker 3: able to put it together. I mean they they were
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Speaker 3: they possessed the puck hardcore against Union late in that
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Speaker 3: game and could not find an equalizer. And obviously give
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Speaker 3: credit to Union on defense and in coal, but also
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Speaker 3: like Cornell has to be has to be better with
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Speaker 3: being able to put the puck in the back of
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Speaker 3: the net with the power that they have. And so
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Speaker 3: I do you know, they have a young team ish upfront,
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Speaker 3: and so there are some players that I think need
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Speaker 3: to get a little bit more experience and maybe things
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Speaker 3: like a seven zero game, you know, build up that confidence.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, for them, it's I think just being sort
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Speaker 3: of having more of that killer instinct on offense and
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Speaker 3: really being able to translate puck possession into goals, which
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Speaker 3: they just they didn't do on Friday. And kudos to
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Speaker 3: Union because they played a heck of a game and
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Speaker 3: they really withstood a pushback from Cornell at the end.
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Speaker 1: Over in hockey, East Boston University is into the top
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Speaker 1: fifteen in the usacho dot Com Pole this week after
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Speaker 1: improving the eight and three with a home and home
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Speaker 1: sweep of Providence.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know that I.
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Speaker 1: We've talked about BU a few times now, but I
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Speaker 1: don't know if we would have seen that coming five
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Speaker 1: six weeks ago where bus off to an eight and
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Speaker 1: three start.
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Speaker 3: Would we No, we definitely said that we saw potential, right,
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Speaker 3: But I they have turned that into results very quickly. So,
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Speaker 3: you know, we talked ta Tara, and I think, you know,
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Speaker 3: she really I think they really built off some of
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Speaker 3: those those early games, Like even though there was lost
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Speaker 3: to you know, that lost to Minnesota, there was so
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Speaker 3: much there to build off of and learn from and
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Speaker 3: confidence to gain and all that sort of stuff. So
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Speaker 3: they've just done a really good job of taking what
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Speaker 3: they learned in those early weeks and really turning it
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Speaker 3: into results quickly. And I feel like we don't often
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Speaker 3: see that, and when it's college hockey, and I like,
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Speaker 3: like some some of that's just the nature of college athletics,
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Speaker 3: but when you're dealing with, you know, transitioning players to
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Speaker 3: the faster game when they come in as freshmen and
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Speaker 3: sort of all of the things that come with you know, throwing,
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Speaker 3: throwing a team the ice with with not a lot
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Speaker 3: of practice and all those sorts of things we don't
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Speaker 3: you don't always necessarily see tweaks and the ability to
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Speaker 3: make changes and turn those lessons into outcomes very quickly.
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Speaker 3: So I just I think really impressive from BEU and
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Speaker 3: from tower Watchhorn that they they're what we've seen from
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Speaker 3: some of the teams right is like we've talked about
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Speaker 3: like not not being consistent, like getting a good win
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Speaker 3: or two and then not you know, being able to
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Speaker 3: follow up the next week and the next week. And
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Speaker 3: thus far bu Is is following up and they're not
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Speaker 3: sort of letting down and they're continuing to win the
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Speaker 3: games they need to be winning. So yeah, really impressive.
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Speaker 1: Thus far, speaking of continuing the win games that need
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Speaker 1: to be winning, that's Wisconsin's way so far here twelve
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Speaker 1: and now after the third and fourth grade shutouts. These ones,
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Speaker 1: you know, a little more difficult than the ones before.
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Speaker 1: It's made you stayed at home. They had to go
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Speaker 1: on the road and really shut down Saint Cloud State
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Speaker 1: and includ a a lot of stretches where Brian Adolski
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Speaker 1: pulled the goalie for one with a five on three
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Speaker 1: advantage so to make it six on three and then
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Speaker 1: subsequently through and that in the second period, I think,
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Speaker 1: down three to nothing at that point, and.
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Speaker 2: And you could just tell just wanted to get something going.
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Speaker 2: It's wanted to.
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Speaker 1: See some you know, success for the players and and
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Speaker 1: get some belief going.
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Speaker 2: Uh, they weren't. Weren't able to get that done.
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Speaker 1: And and Wisconsin complete off completed another shutout, which is
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Speaker 1: just kind of been the way and and really we're
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Speaker 1: just seeing Wisconsin and Ohio State continue to kind of
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Speaker 1: distance themselves. You know, Minnesota's in the picture there too
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Speaker 1: in third but uh, it just feels like we're seeing
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Speaker 1: that separation happen again where where we're looking at Wisconsin
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Speaker 1: and Ohio State on a on a path towards a collision,
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Speaker 1: which we'll talk about next week, because it's gonna happen
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Speaker 1: next week. So uh, something look forward to there, but
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Speaker 1: Wisconsin getting a couple of shots. But of how saintan
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Speaker 1: needing overtime to sweep Saint Thomas on the road was
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Speaker 1: an interesting, uh finish to that series in a one
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Speaker 1: nothing overtime game for the buck Eyes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like, with the risk is sounding like
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Speaker 3: a homer, Like Wisconsin went out against the ranked opponent
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Speaker 3: and that game, that first game was over in like
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Speaker 3: what three minutes.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I think is important to the conversation about
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Speaker 3: what Ryan Elski was trying to do in the second game, right, Like,
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Speaker 3: I think his his he needed a spark. They they
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Speaker 3: came out better in the second game. Wisconsin didn't, you know,
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Speaker 3: score four goals in the opening period, and so that
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Speaker 3: you know, I it's outside the box thinking. It didn't
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Speaker 3: really bite them in terms of like them giving up
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Speaker 3: an you know, an empty deck goal and things like that.
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Speaker 3: So hey, I think kudos for trying to find a
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Speaker 3: way to you know, change the outcome and do something different.
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Speaker 3: And you know, I'm got to be so frustrating to
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Speaker 3: not score on a six on three. So there's lots
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Speaker 3: for them to learn there. But yeah, I thought like, hey,
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Speaker 3: you know, I don't hate it. I mean, it's definitely
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Speaker 3: something we don't see a lot. But you know, maybe
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Speaker 3: head Wisconsin scored on the empty net, i'd have a
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Speaker 3: different take on it, you know, earlier in the game obviously,
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Speaker 3: you know, one of the mid game empty nets. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I thought it was it was something,
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Speaker 3: it was unique in it, and I yeah, I thought
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Speaker 3: the other thing that I thought was interesting slash weird
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Speaker 3: in that series is they pulled Snia Hola after those
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Speaker 3: opening couple of minutes in that first game and put
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Speaker 3: in Amelia Kirko. I think it is Kirko, and but
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Speaker 3: they put Sanni back in later. I don't think I've
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Speaker 3: ever seen a goalie be pulled in them put back
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Speaker 3: in later in the game. Yeah, that series had all
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Speaker 3: kinds of like all right.
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Speaker 1: Sure, I was thinking of that as a you're playing
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Speaker 1: that as a as a weekend, right, And if you
12:52
Speaker 1: know you're giving a Carico currico.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry I have it's now that I said it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, uh, if you know she's getting the second game,
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Speaker 1: but you had to bring her in early in the
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Speaker 1: first game just.
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Speaker 2: Because it makes sense.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, stabilized to try and you know, give your team
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Speaker 1: a break, give her the third period. It was a
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Speaker 1: little lot of hand at that point. Uh, let her
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Speaker 1: have those minutes and you have your you have Careco
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Speaker 1: there for a little bit of a fresher start on Saturday.
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Speaker 1: Didn't have to play essentially games. Yeah that yeah, eighteen
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Speaker 1: minutes whatever would have been.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like at this point, you know, I
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Speaker 3: watched a lot of hockey games, and so for in
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Speaker 3: one series to see a whole bunch of I don't know,
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Speaker 3: I think I've seen that before. Was was, you know,
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Speaker 3: fun and entertaining in its own right. But yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: hard to like, I you know, we'll we'll hear about
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Speaker 3: being homers, like you and I are both in Wisconsin,
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Speaker 3: Like your job is to cover the Badgers. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: to watch that series and then watch Ohio State get
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Speaker 3: shut out, you know, need an overtime game winner to
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Speaker 3: beat Saint Thomas. It's like, yes, those two teams are
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Speaker 3: separated themselves, but also I think I don't think they're
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Speaker 3: necessarily one right next to the other at this point,
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Speaker 3: but I guess we'll see when they play each other.
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Speaker 1: I think there's uh in the standings in terms of
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Speaker 1: you know, there's an unevil uneven number of games played,
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Speaker 1: but in terms of points lost, Wisconsin is I think
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Speaker 1: ten points ahead just because SI has lost a few
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Speaker 1: games and and lost points in a couple of games,
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Speaker 1: like having to go to overtime to beat Saint Thomas,
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Speaker 1: there'sing a point there and or not gaining the third point.
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Speaker 3: I guess, really, right, Wisconsin has two games at hand
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Speaker 3: in them, right, and several points ahead in the standing.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I don't know that head to
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Speaker 3: head is solves that dispute or that that conversation. I
14:46
Speaker 3: do think like both teams are gonna play their very
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Speaker 3: best against each other, but in terms of how we're
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Speaker 3: seeing them handle the rest of the conference, yeah, it's
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Speaker 3: I certainly did not expect that start from Wisconsin against
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Speaker 3: Stint Cloud. I expected maybe a different game, and so
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Speaker 3: you know, I felt bad for Saint Cloud. We know,
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Speaker 3: we know how badly they want to have different outcomes
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Speaker 3: and be playing better against the top teams. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: Wisconsin went out and handled those two games sort of
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Speaker 3: no problem at all. And you know, in the Saint
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Speaker 3: Thomas game, danny Strom was absolutely outstanding in net. It
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Speaker 3: wasn't so much like acrobatic saves, which is really good positioning,
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Speaker 3: really good rebound control, smothering the puck just like a
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Speaker 3: plus goaltending from a rookie. Uh, just putting on a masterclass.
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Speaker 3: She was putting pucks out to the corners when she
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Speaker 3: was you know, deflecting them and doing giving rebounds. So yeah,
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Speaker 3: as opposed to sort of like Ohio State, you know,
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Speaker 3: peppering her and her playing acrobatically, it wasn't like that.
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Speaker 3: It was just just this really solid defensive game from
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Speaker 3: from a goaltender. I was. I was really impressed with her.
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Speaker 2: It was fun to watch the We've Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: Hockey America had its first games conference games of the
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Speaker 1: season last week. Penn State got five points against Syracuse
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Speaker 1: to jump to the top of the very early standings there,
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Speaker 1: and that's you know, I think what you would expect
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Speaker 1: out of out of that matchup, if not the full
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Speaker 1: six points, but I think Penn State, you know, getting
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Speaker 1: off to a good start there is important because they
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone knows that they're kind of the targeted
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Speaker 1: team now in the Atlantic Hockey So the more of
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Speaker 1: that they can do, the better to keep the challengers
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Speaker 1: at arms distance.
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Speaker 3: I guess, right, like we said, you you can't be
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Speaker 3: dropping points, particularly points that you know, on paper should
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Speaker 3: be yours. And I think just that strong start, like
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Speaker 3: you said, it's it's important for them to get off
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Speaker 3: to the trunk start, get the base and in that way,
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Speaker 3: they're not playing catch up. But yeah, I think you know,
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Speaker 3: at this point what we've seen from them, it's it's
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Speaker 3: their conference.
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Speaker 1: To lose, right, Yeah, and New Ha Franklin Pierce went
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Speaker 1: to the old possession of first place with a sweep
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Speaker 1: of San Anselm. Again, that's a program that I think
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are expecting to be there. So
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Speaker 1: important for them to to to stay at the top, to.
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Speaker 2: Be there and and not have to be climbing towards the.
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Speaker 3: End of the season, right, I mean, they're that team.
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Speaker 3: They were the surprise five seed New Hot tournament, you know,
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Speaker 3: sort of Cinderella's last year that that really nearly took
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Speaker 3: it all, right, And so to take the momentum from
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Speaker 3: that and turn it, you know into great outcomes so
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Speaker 3: far this season, I think is really good for them
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Speaker 3: and good for the building of the program.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: So they have the one loss, and it was in conference,
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Speaker 3: and it was, you know, an overtime loss, So they're
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Speaker 3: just they're playing consistently and it's they just look really cohesive.
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Speaker 3: Like the little bit that I saw just was really
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Speaker 3: impressed with with sort of the play that they were having.
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Speaker 3: And you know, it's one thing to sort of ride
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Speaker 3: the adournaline of a postseason win, a bunch of overtime,
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Speaker 3: you know, Cinderella not supposed to be there, but really
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Speaker 3: cool to see them take that and turn it into
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Speaker 3: some wins early in the season thus far.
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Speaker 2: All right, that's our look back at last week.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll talk about what's coming ahead
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Speaker 1: in NCIA hockey, but also about the rivalry series between
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Speaker 1: USA and Canada.
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Speaker 2: Stay with us on the podcast. Welcome back to the podcast.
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Speaker 1: Todd Maluski here as always with Nicole, Hosey and Nicole.
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Speaker 1: This week we see the return of international play with
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Speaker 1: the US and Canada facing off in the rivalry series
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Speaker 1: Wednesday in San Jose at ten o'clock eastern seven Pacific,
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Speaker 1: Friday in Salt Lake City nine eastern seven mountain time
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Speaker 1: the local time there, and Sunday seven eastern five mountain time.
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Speaker 2: In Boise, Idaho.
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Speaker 1: Those are the first three games of the rivalry series,
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Speaker 1: which will resume or pick up in February with two
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Speaker 1: games in Canada. We were just talking before we started
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Speaker 1: recording this that there's some different philosophies between the US
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Speaker 1: and Canada in terms of what.
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Speaker 2: These rosters look like this year. Do you want to
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Speaker 2: talk about that a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so's it's a continuation of what we've already seen. Right,
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Speaker 3: the US roster has ten collegians on it and the
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Speaker 3: Canada roster has won, and it will be the day
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Speaker 3: senior debut of Chloe Permorano. We do know, like Chloe
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Speaker 3: missed Minnesota's games last week because she went with Hockey
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Speaker 3: Canada already. So I think that's interesting just because we don't,
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Speaker 3: well we Canada doesn't often have collegians. I guess we don't, superno,
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Speaker 3: but like we know with the US players, like they
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Speaker 3: go after they went after this weekend's games, and so
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Speaker 3: I was curious or it made me wonder about maybe
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Speaker 3: you know, getting Chloe in a little early and a
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Speaker 3: little extra time, uh in with those those senior players.
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I you know it, it's hard to argue
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Speaker 3: with what Canada does with their strategy because obviously, you know,
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Speaker 3: like they're the current world champions and things like that.
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Speaker 3: But also their their roster is not particularly young anymore.
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Speaker 3: And uh, it's interesting to me to see that that
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Speaker 3: they didn't they don't have more collegians. So it is
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Speaker 3: you know, the first senior call up for for Darryl Wattson,
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Speaker 3: and I will say a lot of their last year
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Speaker 3: collegians are are there, you know, uh, gossling and some
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Speaker 3: of their players are like, they just aren't collegians anymore.
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Speaker 3: They're just their first year. They'll be in their first
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Speaker 3: year in the pro leagues. But yeah, it's just it's
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Speaker 3: a very different approach and the US continues to go young.
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Speaker 3: The other thing is that, like, because there's usually three
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Speaker 3: windows of the rivalry series, the leader we get in
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Speaker 3: the year the collegians aren't available, they don't get called up,
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Speaker 3: they get to stay with their collegiate teams, and so
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Speaker 3: this is usually the window where you see most of
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Speaker 3: the collegians. And the fact that Hockey Canada didn't isn't
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Speaker 3: doing that. It's just interesting and you know, thought provoking
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Speaker 3: in terms of how they're they're approaching their roster build.
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Speaker 1: It is a different kind of scenario this year and
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Speaker 1: maybe last year versus what we had in the past
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Speaker 1: with before the p WHL was was an entity in
21:22
Speaker 1: you know, we're getting to a point where you know,
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Speaker 1: obviously the p w hasn't started yet, we're I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure anyone's fully in the camps or anything like that
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Speaker 1: yet either.
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Speaker 3: But no, they start right after this. So this is
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Speaker 3: essentially like the season opener to sort of senior women's hockey.
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Speaker 1: So, right, if Canada feels like that's the this is
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Speaker 1: their their core for the next through the next Olympics.
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Speaker 1: Really the twenty six Olympics, I guess that's that's why
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Speaker 1: you you you go with that. They had there's a
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Speaker 1: summer event, you know, the collegiate I forget if it's
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Speaker 1: called the Collegiate Series, the collegiate whatever, but it.
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Speaker 3: Was the eighteens in the U twenty twos go, right.
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Speaker 1: So you know, they were able to get a look
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Speaker 1: at college players in that environment. But I can kind
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Speaker 1: of guess that they feel like this is their core
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Speaker 1: and this is their group and they're going to ride
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Speaker 1: with it for the next what is it, eighteen months,
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Speaker 1: So I don't even really know what the what it
22:24
Speaker 1: is until the Olympics in Italy.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting point to bring up too, because
22:31
Speaker 3: we are under the impression and I like, nothing's been
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Speaker 3: said on the record, but the centralization will look very
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Speaker 3: different this year or may not happen or however however
22:43
Speaker 3: that's going to play out, and it because of the
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Speaker 3: professional league centralization will sort of or whatever that looks
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Speaker 3: like will be built off the pedo schedule. And because
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Speaker 3: so many of the players are in the PWHL. So
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Speaker 3: is it strategic to not even deal with collegians since
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Speaker 3: if you can't centralize, am I making sense here? Like,
23:04
Speaker 3: if you can't centralize and pull those collegians out of
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Speaker 3: their programs and get them in with those players through
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Speaker 3: a whole however long essential you know, what we need
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Speaker 3: centralization to look like, then maybe the concept for them
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Speaker 3: is we're not going to centralize, so we can't easily
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Speaker 3: integrate these players, so we are just going to, you know,
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Speaker 3: use the players that are in the pub, that are
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Speaker 3: already playing in these games and playing each other. I
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Speaker 3: don't know, but to me that that might be something
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Speaker 3: that we think about as we talk about what centralization
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Speaker 3: can look like upcoming based on what we've you know,
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Speaker 3: what we've talked to Katie Million about in terms of
23:38
Speaker 3: like camps and things like that. So I do think
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Speaker 3: pre the lead up to the Olympics will look different
23:45
Speaker 3: things to the p WHL and maybe not having to
23:48
Speaker 3: account for how you're gonna get collegians in with your
23:50
Speaker 3: professional team is a purposeful thought for them. But yeah,
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Speaker 3: it's it's definitely interesting and as I said, I just
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Speaker 3: it's two really different philosophies. But I just it's hard
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Speaker 3: to question what Canada does. And at the same time,
24:08
Speaker 3: I just think it seems crazy to not further developed, what,
24:14
Speaker 3: you know, what those that younger set of players and
24:18
Speaker 3: think that like, you know, a couple of summer camps
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Speaker 3: is enough for that, because they're just that gap from
24:22
Speaker 3: U eighteen up to the senior team and they aren't
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Speaker 3: doing anything with those players. Those players are going pretty
24:28
Speaker 3: pretty long time without a lot of Hockey Canada contact
24:32
Speaker 3: and like not for nothing, but the U eighteen team
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Speaker 3: took bronze this year and so with a pretty like
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Speaker 3: im trusted roster including Primarado and Kaitlyn Kramer and things
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Speaker 3: like that, And to some extent, you could say like
24:46
Speaker 3: that's a one offer, a fluke, But if that's what's
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Speaker 3: happening at the younger stage, and then you're also not
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Speaker 3: contacting these players forever however long. That's the sort of
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Speaker 3: thing that can, you know, down the road cause issues
24:58
Speaker 3: as you're trying to build a senior team roster. But
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Speaker 3: you know, maybe the focus is on twenty twenty six
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Speaker 3: and they're they're not looking past that, and we know
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Speaker 3: that USA Hockey is very much in the complete opposite
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Speaker 3: direction and really has gone young and really is focusing
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Speaker 3: in on these younger players with a few, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's the few veterans, a few more experienced players sort
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Speaker 3: of sprinkled in, but the bulk of that, I mean,
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Speaker 3: like we said, ten players, the bulk of their rosters
25:27
Speaker 3: have been have been young, have been collegians or maybe
25:29
Speaker 3: first year p DUB players. So it's Joy Dune, Lacy, Eden,
25:34
Speaker 3: Layla Edwards, Rory, Gilda, KK Harvey, Tessa Janiky, Abby Murphy,
25:38
Speaker 3: Kirsten Sims, Haley Winn, and Casey O'Brien was added late
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Speaker 3: to the roster. So it is sort of the usual
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Speaker 3: suspects these are at this point, not other than Casey,
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Speaker 3: not players that would be like making a debut, Like
25:51
Speaker 3: they've all got experience. So as much as they are
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Speaker 3: all collegiates. Everyone on that roster played in the national
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Speaker 3: champ or in the World Championship, right, So you know,
26:01
Speaker 3: there's an argument that we're no longer talking about a
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Speaker 3: super young team anymore. But yeah, just just interesting contrasts.
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Speaker 2: Right, right, it is.
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Speaker 1: And there's another to me, another interesting factor in Canada's
26:13
Speaker 1: side is you mentioned Daryl Watts getting her first senior
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Speaker 1: women's national team. Look, which rewind the three years ago
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Speaker 1: she was talking pretty heavily that I'm done. This was
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Speaker 1: in her senior year, fifth year of college, you know,
26:31
Speaker 1: after she had you know, won the Patty Kaz and
26:34
Speaker 1: her freshman year at BC, after she had won the
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Speaker 1: national championship in her fourth year, I guess her second
26:40
Speaker 1: year at Wisconsin, she wasn't picked for the centralization for
26:48
Speaker 1: Canada and seemed to take it pretty hard.
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Speaker 3: I mean, she wasn't even taken to like camp prior to.
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Speaker 1: It, right, He didn't make it to the last stage, right,
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Speaker 1: And so she said at that point, look, I'm done,
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Speaker 1: I'm I'm I don't feel like this is a good
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Speaker 1: environment for me with Hockey Canada. And she was planning
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Speaker 1: on being done playing period. After her final year at Wisconsin.
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Speaker 1: Now we've seen that's changed. There's been a lot more
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Speaker 1: opportunities open for her in the pro game, and she's
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Speaker 1: gone that direction. But it's a really interesting change of heart, honestly,
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Speaker 1: for for a player that was pretty open with me
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Speaker 1: and saying, look, no, I'm ready to talk Baulas because
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Speaker 1: I don't have any more bridges.
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Speaker 2: To burn here.
27:37
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get maybe just like a reminder to people
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Speaker 3: that Daryl played at Wisconsin, like did a huge article
27:42
Speaker 3: with Todd, did an interview and he wrote about, you know,
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Speaker 3: she's like I, you know, I'm done trying to make
27:47
Speaker 3: them like me basically. So the interesting thing is it's
27:51
Speaker 3: not just a change of heart for her, but it's
27:53
Speaker 3: a change of heart for Hockey Canada too, right, which
27:55
Speaker 3: is not necessarily their emo. You know, we we I
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Speaker 3: mean I think anybody that followed Darryl particularly is a collegian.
28:03
Speaker 3: I mean, she she is brash, she is cocky. She
28:07
Speaker 3: uh definitely matured throughout her collegiate career, but I can
28:11
Speaker 3: imagine that she butted heads with some people at Hockey
28:14
Speaker 3: Canada and that didn't necessarily always make the best impression.
28:19
Speaker 3: And so I do think some of that cooled just
28:21
Speaker 3: with like maybe different being further from home, being with
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Speaker 3: different coaching, and just getting older. And I think she
28:29
Speaker 3: was also just planning to stop playing hockey periods like
28:32
Speaker 3: it it was coincided with an Olympic cycle and a
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Speaker 3: centralization and her leaving college and they're not being a
28:38
Speaker 3: great pro option for her. I believe at the time
28:41
Speaker 3: there wasn't even the Toronto team in the PHF, So
28:44
Speaker 3: she was like, I you know, I have degrees, I'm
28:46
Speaker 3: gonna go like be you know, be a regular career woman.
28:50
Speaker 3: And so you know, things changed when there was a
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Speaker 3: team closer to home. And then you know, she is
28:56
Speaker 3: the player that was offered the million dollar contract that
29:00
Speaker 3: never existed, and so that's a that's a separate conversation.
29:03
Speaker 3: I guess we could have that. You know, she was
29:08
Speaker 3: offered that contract, but then the PHF folded and then
29:10
Speaker 3: the PW shield came around. And I also think you know,
29:13
Speaker 3: she's been playing uh with under Karla McLeod, which I
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Speaker 3: think is just a coach that that both can foster
29:21
Speaker 3: sort of the audacity of the way that Darryl plays,
29:25
Speaker 3: which is it's just a fine line with the type
29:28
Speaker 3: of player that she is, and she's someone like we
29:30
Speaker 3: don't see a ton of that in women's hockey, with
29:33
Speaker 3: that cockiness, with that flair. You know, maybe Abby Murphy's
29:39
Speaker 3: the closest to like that, would like have the audacity
29:41
Speaker 3: to try some of the stuff Darryl does, right, But yeah,
29:46
Speaker 3: Darryl and Abby are still very far apart. But like
29:48
Speaker 3: just in terms of being I mean, I think there
29:51
Speaker 3: are plenty of people in the NHL that are like that,
29:53
Speaker 3: but you just you don't see it as much in
29:54
Speaker 3: the women's game. But I think as she's aged, I
29:58
Speaker 3: think with different coaches, she's found a way to walk
30:01
Speaker 3: that line right and she's been very successful in the PWHL.
30:05
Speaker 3: And I guess I would assume that there were talks
30:07
Speaker 3: behind the scenes with Hockey Canada and which you know,
30:10
Speaker 3: it was like, hey, if you're getting if we're going
30:12
Speaker 3: to give you another chance, you know, we need to
30:14
Speaker 3: see maturity and growth and that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: I look back to that the off season of the
30:21
Speaker 1: summer of twenty twenty one and the talk then out
30:24
Speaker 1: of Hockey Canada. What emerged from them was that we
30:27
Speaker 1: see Darryl Watts as a more of a candidate for
30:30
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty sixth Olympic cycle for this basically this
30:33
Speaker 1: period that we're talking about now, And so I wonder,
30:37
Speaker 1: you know, are they kind of just on the same
30:39
Speaker 1: path that they were then obviously had some things to
30:42
Speaker 1: smooth over personally relationship wise, but are we still kind
30:47
Speaker 1: of looking at where they thought everyone was going to
30:50
Speaker 1: be in their pool, that this was the opportunity for
30:54
Speaker 1: her to get in. And obviously what's she's done the
30:58
Speaker 1: last couple of seasons is kind of backed up where
31:02
Speaker 1: maybe they feel like she could be going in her career.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so fascinating, right because like sort of when
31:09
Speaker 3: they told her that what was she supposed to do
31:12
Speaker 3: in terms of like what you said there was there
31:14
Speaker 3: were not options to keep playing, and so like I
31:17
Speaker 3: can imagine as a twenty somethingter collegian being told like, oh,
31:20
Speaker 3: we were not interested in you for another you know,
31:23
Speaker 3: four year cycle, Like that's a really hard thing to
31:25
Speaker 3: handle in here, and it to just be like all right,
31:27
Speaker 3: like either you want me or you don't, I can
31:30
Speaker 3: imagine is probably how that went, if you know, in
31:33
Speaker 3: her head to how you feel about that. And again,
31:35
Speaker 3: the just the way that who Daryl is and then
31:40
Speaker 3: the way that she approaches things right, her personality. So yeah,
31:44
Speaker 3: I that is fascinating in terms of like it following
31:48
Speaker 3: the path that they expected it to follow, but also
31:50
Speaker 3: like they're lucky that it went that way because she
31:54
Speaker 3: was ready to be done and there was no reason
31:56
Speaker 3: for her to keep playing and there was no way
31:58
Speaker 3: she would keep developing. And so yeah, either you know,
32:03
Speaker 3: like somebody over there should be buying some lottery tickets
32:05
Speaker 3: and telling us all like the magic numbers or or
32:08
Speaker 3: the things just just fell together nicely. But yeah, I mean,
32:12
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see your play. Part of what makes
32:17
Speaker 3: Darryl a great player is her improvisation and that sort
32:22
Speaker 3: of stuff, and that is not something Hockey Canada is
32:25
Speaker 3: well known for encouraging.
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Speaker 1: Right, can be frustrating as a coach to until it works,
32:32
Speaker 1: until something good comes a bit too, but the build
32:35
Speaker 1: up to that can be pretty pretty maddening if you're
32:39
Speaker 1: behind the bench or in the GM spot.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and just generally like they can be very hockey candidate,
32:45
Speaker 3: can be very firmly based in their systems and to
32:48
Speaker 3: the point that like in game when things are going poorly,
32:52
Speaker 3: like the team almost can be paralyzed in not knowing
32:56
Speaker 3: what to do because they aren't. They're really taught to
33:00
Speaker 3: you with that freedom. So there are times when I like,
33:01
Speaker 3: you'll watch and maybe not recently, but maybe in the
33:04
Speaker 3: last four to five years where where you would watch
33:08
Speaker 3: you know, things sort of collapse or them or struggle
33:10
Speaker 3: or the systems weren't working and like let mpp cook, right,
33:14
Speaker 3: like let play and be the player that she is,
33:17
Speaker 3: and like it was just very clear that she did
33:20
Speaker 3: not feel she had the freedom to go do that,
33:23
Speaker 3: like that is not the game that they play. And
33:25
Speaker 3: so yeah, for me, that's one of the things that
33:28
Speaker 3: I think will be interesting because do you lose what
33:32
Speaker 3: makes Darryl a world class player by putting by tamping
33:37
Speaker 3: down some of that? Like is she still the player
33:40
Speaker 3: you want, the goalscorer player that you wanted to be
33:46
Speaker 3: if you if you take away some of that part
33:48
Speaker 3: of it. I don't know, hypothesis here, just just curious
33:52
Speaker 3: to see like sort of how that will the push
33:56
Speaker 3: and pull of that and and you know it's different
33:58
Speaker 3: coaches now and different approaches and I don't think that
34:01
Speaker 3: Hockey Canada is as heavily system reliant like that as
34:08
Speaker 3: they were a few years ago, but it is just
34:09
Speaker 3: something that always stuck with me that it was like,
34:11
Speaker 3: you've got, you know, the best player in the world
34:14
Speaker 3: on your team. She could single handedly, you know, cook
34:17
Speaker 3: everybody on this ice, and she's not going out and
34:19
Speaker 3: doing that in a one goal game like they're that's
34:22
Speaker 3: that's the wrong approach. It may work, you know, ninety
34:26
Speaker 3: seven percent of the time, but there needs to be
34:27
Speaker 3: a point where you know, you can just let the
34:29
Speaker 3: best player in the world be the best player in
34:31
Speaker 3: the world. And so I will be watching for some
34:34
Speaker 3: of that push pull in to see, you know, what
34:36
Speaker 3: type of game we're seeing from Darryl in under the
34:40
Speaker 3: structures of playing for Hockey Canada.
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Speaker 2: A couple of things I'm gonna be looking for On
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Speaker 2: the US side.
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Speaker 1: Tessa Janiky, who we saw with the the collegiate series
34:50
Speaker 1: of summer.
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Speaker 2: Had four goals in three games.
34:53
Speaker 1: Obviously that this is a different, different environment, different ad hemospheres.
35:00
Speaker 1: It's full senior teams. This is you know, the best
35:04
Speaker 1: on best. But this is going to be Tessa's third
35:08
Speaker 1: rivalry series.
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Speaker 2: She's played in six games so far.
35:12
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see that that growth, whether that continues
35:16
Speaker 1: going and whether she can be more of at that
35:21
Speaker 1: level the player that we've seen her be for Penn State.
35:25
Speaker 2: And I know the roles are different, the.
35:29
Speaker 1: Uh you know, the picture of you know, who you're
35:31
Speaker 1: playing against is different when you get into a rivalry
35:34
Speaker 1: series against Canada. But there's so much talent there that
35:39
Speaker 1: I feel like the US staff really wants to see
35:42
Speaker 1: that come out and wants to see that develop on
35:45
Speaker 1: this level and take a step.
35:48
Speaker 3: I feel like we saw flashes of it from her
35:50
Speaker 3: in the last World Championships up in Uticobe. Like I
35:54
Speaker 3: am blinking on the game, but there was one definitely
35:57
Speaker 3: where she she was, you know, playing give and goes
35:59
Speaker 3: in and she and I believe Abby Murphy, we're just
36:02
Speaker 3: really clicking. And so I think we've seen flashes of
36:05
Speaker 3: it from her at the senior level. But yeah, sort
36:08
Speaker 3: of the the nature of these rosters in these teams
36:13
Speaker 3: is that the lines change and your your roles changed,
36:16
Speaker 3: and so you have to be able to roll with
36:19
Speaker 3: that and still be able to produce in that situation.
36:21
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think that's a really good point
36:22
Speaker 3: that she clearly is talented enough to be there and
36:27
Speaker 3: should be on the roster, but to really settle in
36:30
Speaker 3: and be the player that we know she's capable of
36:33
Speaker 3: being is And again, you know, she's what a junior
36:35
Speaker 3: this year's she's an old veteran at this point with
36:39
Speaker 3: that team is a pretty young player. But yeah, that's
36:42
Speaker 3: that's a really good point. She's can really be a
36:45
Speaker 3: difference maker for them if if they can sort of
36:48
Speaker 3: make her comfortable and find the way to really use
36:50
Speaker 3: her and get her up to what she needs to
36:53
Speaker 3: be doing.
36:55
Speaker 1: The other thing standing out to me is that I'm
36:57
Speaker 1: gonna be watching for is leyla Edwards is moving forward
37:00
Speaker 1: to defense, and that's her choice. She was she was involved,
37:07
Speaker 1: heavily involved in making it happen.
37:10
Speaker 2: But this is someone who's.
37:12
Speaker 1: You know, won the MVP Award in the World Championship
37:15
Speaker 1: last year as a forward, has thirteen goals in twelve
37:19
Speaker 1: games for Wisconsin so far this season as a forward,
37:25
Speaker 1: so many good things as a forward. Now we're going
37:28
Speaker 1: to see how she does on defense against some of
37:30
Speaker 1: the best.
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Speaker 2: Players in the world. No pressure there anything.
37:33
Speaker 1: Your your first real chance at doing this is going
37:36
Speaker 1: to be against you know, I'm fascinated to see how
37:42
Speaker 1: this goes. And I talked to John Robleski about this
37:46
Speaker 1: for a story that I did. They're willing to let
37:48
Speaker 1: this play out. They know there's going to be a
37:50
Speaker 1: lot of bumps here. This is not going to be
37:52
Speaker 1: necessarily an automatic smooth She looks as good as she
37:58
Speaker 1: does at forward on defense. Uh, but they're they're willing
38:02
Speaker 1: to let it, let it go and see how she
38:04
Speaker 1: can develop at that spot.
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Speaker 2: And I I'm fascinated. I'll tell you I'm fascinated too.
38:10
Speaker 3: I mean, like it's not even just that she you know,
38:13
Speaker 3: was MVP. She was doing that with at like ten
38:15
Speaker 3: minutes a game at World Championships, like it was immediate impact.
38:20
Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's about getting her more ice time, right,
38:23
Speaker 3: Like the reason she had ten as a game is
38:24
Speaker 3: she was on fourth line or is the thirteenth forward,
38:27
Speaker 3: and so in that way, like great. I Mean one
38:30
Speaker 3: of the things for Leila is she she doesn't have
38:33
Speaker 3: to like wind up a slap shot as a forward,
38:35
Speaker 3: you know, like she's just not cranking a shot in
38:38
Speaker 3: the same way based on the system, you know, the
38:41
Speaker 3: way that her line is and where she usually is
38:43
Speaker 3: on the ice. So I feel like there will be
38:46
Speaker 3: a learning curve for getting her to just like really
38:49
Speaker 3: think of that shot and then Unlesha shot from the
38:52
Speaker 3: blue line. But yeah, it's uh, it's interesting. But I
38:56
Speaker 3: will say, like that idea of we're willing to wait
38:59
Speaker 3: and see you on Leaila is something that has been
39:02
Speaker 3: a through line since she was a candidate for the
39:05
Speaker 3: senior national team. Like they were talking about that for
39:07
Speaker 3: her first Rivalry Series, like Robo was saying, you know,
39:11
Speaker 3: we at that point when she had her Rivalry Series
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Speaker 3: debut last year, I nobody expected she'd be on this
39:17
Speaker 3: the World Championships roster, right, Like they were talking about
39:21
Speaker 3: sort of I don't want to say babying, but like
39:23
Speaker 3: letting really like taking their time, letting her learn and develop.
39:27
Speaker 3: And so maybe the fact that she was able to
39:31
Speaker 3: do that so quickly on offense is why they feel
39:34
Speaker 3: like this can be a positive on defense and that
39:37
Speaker 3: she you know, she took that instruction and targeted into
39:40
Speaker 3: an MVP performance uh at Worlds. But yeah, I hope
39:46
Speaker 3: that that is all true, right, Like that they that
39:48
Speaker 3: she get to the support like we've seen her get.
39:51
Speaker 3: She can get frustrated, she can get in her own head.
39:53
Speaker 3: And so for me, one of the things I think
39:56
Speaker 3: to just sort of watch for is is what happens,
39:58
Speaker 3: Like if she does get beat, what happens, you know,
40:00
Speaker 3: if she her turnover turns a doo goals things like
40:03
Speaker 3: that where we just know as a young player like that,
40:07
Speaker 3: that's difficult and it's a thing that we've seen from
40:09
Speaker 3: her sort of get into her head and mentally sort
40:13
Speaker 3: of change how she's playing the game. So those are
40:15
Speaker 3: the things that I think she needs to learn much
40:17
Speaker 3: less than maybe the skills, right, but the ability to
40:20
Speaker 3: bounce back. But I mean she's played with KK forever
40:24
Speaker 3: since prior to Wisconsin. They're good friends. I mean, if
40:27
Speaker 3: you're gonna learn how to be a good defender, like
40:29
Speaker 3: it's pretty nice to have a best friend like KK
40:31
Speaker 3: Harvey to help you make that transition.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's the rivalry series Wednesday, Friday, Sunday US VERSUS Canada.
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Speaker 1: All those games on NHL Network, So make sure you
40:42
Speaker 1: check those out. We're going to take a real quick break.
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Speaker 1: When we come back, we'll look ahead at what's coming
40:46
Speaker 1: this week in NCAA women's hockey. Stay with us on
40:49
Speaker 1: the podcast.
40:57
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the podcast.
40:58
Speaker 1: Todd Muski here with Nicole Hosey Cole. Let's look ahead
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Speaker 1: to what's coming this weekend. NCAA Women's hockey Brown is
41:06
Speaker 1: also a really good start. This week they host Colgate
41:10
Speaker 1: and Cornell. We will find out more against above Brown
41:14
Speaker 1: through those two games.
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Speaker 3: It feels like, yeah, absolutely, I mean, you know, thus
41:19
Speaker 3: far they've handled everything that's come at them and and
41:23
Speaker 3: have nothing but momentum and you know confidence. But that's
41:27
Speaker 3: definitely that's a rough gauntlet to go through. But as
41:30
Speaker 3: we talked about, like both Colgate and Cornell have had
41:33
Speaker 3: sort of bumps in the road to start, and so yeah,
41:36
Speaker 3: I think those could be really good games and really
41:39
Speaker 3: test that Brown can you know, kind of keep this going.
41:45
Speaker 3: Starting undefeated and doing really well in ECAC so far.
41:49
Speaker 3: But I think it's important, you know, from the other
41:52
Speaker 3: way around, Like those are points that teams like Cornell
41:55
Speaker 3: and Colgate really want to have on their side, and
41:58
Speaker 3: so I think you just gotta It'll be interesting to
42:01
Speaker 3: see how how but if they're all three teams approach
42:03
Speaker 3: it and sort of come out on the ice cent
42:05
Speaker 3: for that first puck drop, I think at this point
42:08
Speaker 3: Brown has sort of shown like they're they're they're not
42:11
Speaker 3: They're taking the scrappy underdog thing to heart, right, like
42:14
Speaker 3: they're they're not. None of these games are ones they're
42:17
Speaker 3: willing to concede, and so I think they're they're gonna
42:20
Speaker 3: be a tough beat. I think Cornell you know, has to,
42:24
Speaker 3: as we talked about, find that scoring and Brown is
42:27
Speaker 3: going to push the pace on that and and uh
42:31
Speaker 3: Annily Spergman is probably the toughest goalie they faced thus far.
42:33
Speaker 3: But yeah, that's a that's gonna be a really interesting matchup.
42:37
Speaker 2: I think in.
42:38
Speaker 1: Hockey East, Yukon at six and four plays home and
42:43
Speaker 1: home series with Northeastern which is five five and one,
42:46
Speaker 1: uh and and looking to get things going for their season.
42:50
Speaker 2: Really uh an important point for them. Uh right now.
42:55
Speaker 1: I think that the Saturday game is on Nesson, so
42:58
Speaker 1: you can check that out if you have that channel,
43:01
Speaker 1: or if you have ESPN Plus, you can check out
43:03
Speaker 1: all sorts of Hockey East.
43:05
Speaker 2: And ECAC games.
43:07
Speaker 1: But that that feels like Yukon is, you know, have
43:14
Speaker 1: a tough opening schedule.
43:18
Speaker 2: And and.
43:20
Speaker 1: Really is is I feel like you Yukon Northeast are
43:23
Speaker 1: two teams trying to find themselves a little bit still
43:26
Speaker 1: as we get into kind of this second third of
43:30
Speaker 1: the schedule or the second part I guess before we
43:34
Speaker 1: get into the Christmas break, they'd like to get a
43:38
Speaker 1: run going here, Both of these teams to to to
43:42
Speaker 1: get some momentum going, right, Yeah, I.
43:45
Speaker 3: Mean Northeastern's five five and one. They I don't think
43:47
Speaker 3: they've won two games in a row, right, Like, the
43:49
Speaker 3: best they've done is a tie and then will win.
43:52
Speaker 3: They just haven't been able to, like you said, get it,
43:55
Speaker 3: put it all together, get it, get that momentum, get
43:58
Speaker 3: figure out exactly who they are and what kind of
44:01
Speaker 3: team they can be. And so yeah, you know, Northeastern
44:05
Speaker 3: dropped out of the top fifteen for the first time
44:08
Speaker 3: and probably quite a while, right Like, I'm not really
44:12
Speaker 3: entirely sure what to make of either of these teams.
44:14
Speaker 3: It just it feels like, you know, you watch these games.
44:17
Speaker 3: Northeastern went out at New Hampshire and one for to
44:20
Speaker 3: one on Friday and then lost to nothing at home
44:23
Speaker 3: on Saturday, and it's outcomes, you know, they kind of
44:26
Speaker 3: keep the weekend splits are are so opposite, right, Like,
44:32
Speaker 3: it was a four to zero win over you, and
44:34
Speaker 3: then a four to zero loss. That was a four
44:35
Speaker 3: to four tie with Holy Cross, and then a four
44:38
Speaker 3: to two win and so it's like so disjointed, there's
44:42
Speaker 3: no continuity and there's no way to accept. For me,
44:44
Speaker 3: I haven't been able to figure out, like what makes
44:46
Speaker 3: you know one game go so well and one game
44:49
Speaker 3: go so poorly, And it's it really is just unusual
44:52
Speaker 3: from them, right, They've been so solid for so many
44:55
Speaker 3: seasons that it feels it feels really on a character
44:58
Speaker 3: and so yeah, I think it it would be a
45:00
Speaker 3: statement for either of these teams to walk out of
45:03
Speaker 3: this weekend with a sweep. And so I just as
45:07
Speaker 3: we've talked about, sometimes it feels like they're these opportunities,
45:09
Speaker 3: and particularly in Hockey East, teams don't necessarily take them.
45:12
Speaker 3: And so I really hope, like what I would like
45:13
Speaker 3: to see is one of these teams really just come
45:15
Speaker 3: out on all cylinders and really take control of the weekend.
45:19
Speaker 3: I think it might be more likely that that team
45:22
Speaker 3: is Northeastern in terms of how they approach the game
45:24
Speaker 3: and just their their confidence and swagger and the way
45:27
Speaker 3: that they can really take over. But you guns goaltending,
45:31
Speaker 3: it's going to have a lot to say about that.
45:34
Speaker 2: I should mention that the weekend begins on Thursday.
45:38
Speaker 1: Be you number fifteen in this week's Bowl playing at
45:41
Speaker 1: Merrimack and also a non conference game between lynnon Wood
45:45
Speaker 1: and Saint Thomas. So a few things for you to
45:48
Speaker 1: wash on Thursday night. Then of course the Saturday and
45:50
Speaker 1: Sunday and or Friday and Saturday and Rivalry series Wednesday, Friday, Sunday.
45:57
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on here to pay its two
46:00
Speaker 1: this weekend.
46:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a somewhat limited college schedule this weekend. This
46:03
Speaker 3: is what used to be the Four Nations break. It's
46:06
Speaker 3: why the Rivalry series is this weekend. So what is it?
46:10
Speaker 3: Aha is not playing conference games and wha. So yeah,
46:14
Speaker 3: so there's there's fewer games, which you know, it's it's
46:17
Speaker 3: definitely uh, I feel like it's a me problem. But
46:20
Speaker 3: there were thirteen or fifteen games happening at the same
46:23
Speaker 3: time at one point on Friday or Saturday this week,
46:25
Speaker 3: and it was like, I want it stinks that everything's
46:27
Speaker 3: happening at the same time and that you can't watch everything.
46:30
Speaker 3: So this smaller sleep is a little nice, just in
46:33
Speaker 3: terms of like really being able to dig into a
46:35
Speaker 3: full game and not have my eyes on several screens. So,
46:40
Speaker 3: you know, we talked about Colegate and Brown and I'm
46:43
Speaker 3: also excited to watch how Union handles themselves. Right, Like
46:46
Speaker 3: they they got their win over Cornell, and then they
46:50
Speaker 3: also they like lost for three to Saint Lawrence, And
46:54
Speaker 3: so that's a team that I think is sort of
46:56
Speaker 3: on the verge. And so it'll be nice to be
46:59
Speaker 3: able to not have to be flipping between every game
47:03
Speaker 3: and hopefully be able to really watch the stuff and
47:05
Speaker 3: see see what's making these teams tick.
47:07
Speaker 1: No, you're talking about that reminded me we need to
47:10
Speaker 1: make this happen. That the quarterfinals of the NCAA tournament. Yeah,
47:15
Speaker 1: last year, making sure those were staggered so that they're
47:18
Speaker 1: not all happening at the same time. And you know,
47:20
Speaker 1: if there's an overtime that's overlapping a different game, you
47:22
Speaker 1: can't do anything about that. But we had heard last
47:25
Speaker 1: year that there's some momentum to actually make that happen.
47:28
Speaker 3: So let's shirt the conversation.
47:30
Speaker 1: Now, all your representative college, right, it all happened here
47:37
Speaker 1: to get that to happen, to let us see all
47:42
Speaker 1: these games and all all give them the spotlight that
47:45
Speaker 1: they deserve.
47:46
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think nca needs to learn that, Like there
47:49
Speaker 3: are people paying attention to the sport and so so
47:51
Speaker 3: much of the scheduling had been about in person attendance,
47:55
Speaker 3: like you know, the home site decides like what time
47:58
Speaker 3: works for them and is going to get but in seats.
48:00
Speaker 3: But everybody when when you have a fan base, they
48:05
Speaker 3: want to watch all of those games. And so when
48:07
Speaker 3: you're offering these these easily accessible streams and then you
48:09
Speaker 3: put them all at the same time, like you're doing
48:11
Speaker 3: yourself and the players and the sport a disservice. So,
48:14
Speaker 3: like I said, I mean, I was it was a
48:16
Speaker 3: little bit of a tongue in cheek complaint, but like
48:18
Speaker 3: there was a point where there were fourteen or fifteen
48:20
Speaker 3: games happening and they were all in intermission at the
48:22
Speaker 3: same time, Like I couldn't watch the hockey like somewhere
48:26
Speaker 3: at first intermission, somewhere second intermission, and I was like,
48:28
Speaker 3: could my kingdom for like one stagger start here instead
48:34
Speaker 3: of thirteen games starting at two o'clock Eastern. So yeah,
48:37
Speaker 3: I agreed. I think. I feel like when we brought
48:40
Speaker 3: that up at the Frozen four last year, it was
48:43
Speaker 3: like a bit of a light bulb moment for some
48:44
Speaker 3: of the NCAA fox Like.
48:45
Speaker 2: I was not expecting there was the reaction we got
48:47
Speaker 2: to it.
48:48
Speaker 1: I was expecting that, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah we heard that.
48:52
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's actually something we can maybe work with.
48:55
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah.
48:56
Speaker 3: I felt like they hadn't considered the idea that, like
48:59
Speaker 3: enough people are watching from home, that taking into account
49:02
Speaker 3: that people want to be able to watch all the
49:04
Speaker 3: games is something they should think about. Like it's just
49:06
Speaker 3: a shift in women's sports and women's hockey, and so
49:10
Speaker 3: they need to shift their thinking about I mean, I
49:13
Speaker 3: always think it's interesting because so few of the collegiate
49:16
Speaker 3: teams really pull regular attendance numbers, and so this idea
49:20
Speaker 3: that we should only focus on whether what in person
49:23
Speaker 3: attendance looks like I think is maybe a little short sighted. Obviously,
49:28
Speaker 3: you want to have people in house watching the game,
49:32
Speaker 3: but for the growth of the sport, it can't be
49:35
Speaker 3: the only concern. And so we can't all be playing
49:36
Speaker 3: at two o'clock on Saturday afternoon.
49:39
Speaker 2: When Nicole is commissioner of it will be done.
49:44
Speaker 3: No, But I mean, you know, obviously the during the
49:48
Speaker 3: season thing is one thing, but as you said, like
49:50
Speaker 3: there's just no reason those quarterfinals cannot be staggered. It's
49:53
Speaker 3: stuff like that we see no brainer in other sports
49:56
Speaker 3: and in men's hockey on the collegiate end, and so yeah,
50:00
Speaker 3: just I think getting people to re calibrate, like what
50:06
Speaker 3: a fan base there is and what people want to
50:08
Speaker 3: see and what you can do for the sport. It's
50:12
Speaker 3: it's so frustrating to watch, you know, bad streams and
50:15
Speaker 3: poor production and not great commentary and so all of
50:20
Speaker 3: those things will make people watch these games more. And
50:23
Speaker 3: so having a quarter final day where you could sit
50:27
Speaker 3: down and watch, you know, the top eight teams in
50:29
Speaker 3: the country play each other from from noon to eight
50:32
Speaker 3: pm is the dream, honestly, and it happens on the
50:35
Speaker 3: men's side, so it needs to be happening here too.
50:39
Speaker 1: Well, that's going to wrap it up for this week's
50:41
Speaker 1: edition of the podcast. Or Nicole Hasey, I'm Todd Mlusky.
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Speaker 2: We will talk to you and next wee