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Gov. Shutdown Incoming | Social Media Addiction Trial · The Bill Handel Show

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  Speaker 1: Your list Saints KFI AM six forty the Bill Handles
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  Speaker 1: show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. I came to Sheldon.
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  Speaker 1: This is KFI AM six forty bill Handle here. It
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  Speaker 1: is a Tuesday Morning Taco Tuesday, January twenty seven. Some
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  Speaker 1: of the stories we're looking at. US Immigration Agency says
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  Speaker 1: said it is sending ICE agents to help support American
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  Speaker 1: security operations during the Winter Olympics, and unfortunately, any person
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  Speaker 1: coming into view the Olympics from Argentina, Brazil, Columbia, Bogata
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  Speaker 1: will immediately be picked up and deported back to their
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  Speaker 1: country of origin, including the athletes. I might add, okay, oh,
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  Speaker 1: before we get into the story of what's happening with
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  Speaker 1: this government shutdown this Sunday, a quick reminder, Ask Handle
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  Speaker 1: and Neil chooses the questions and I answer them. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty open about it. You know, I generally wear
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  Speaker 1: my heart on my sleeve or on my shoulder or
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  Speaker 1: on top of my head. Now, a couple of things
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  Speaker 1: are going on simultaneously. We know what's happening in Minneapolis,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the pushback on that is absolutely extraordinary, and
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  Speaker 1: huge controversy about what's happening with ice agents. Well, at
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  Speaker 1: the same time, there's a governmental shutdown, partial governmental shutdown
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  Speaker 1: coming up this Sunday. Because the last time there was
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  Speaker 1: we were going to out of we'll about thirty eight
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  Speaker 1: day shutdown, which was the longest in American history. It
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  Speaker 1: ended up having a continuing resolution, which means that the
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  Speaker 1: government continues on on the same terms. Well, here we
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  Speaker 1: go again, and this time the Democrats are saying, no,
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  Speaker 1: we are not going to vote on the continuing resolution
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  Speaker 1: to keep the government alive. And the Democrats are absolutely
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  Speaker 1: furious as what's going on now. Trump and the Democratic
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  Speaker 1: leaders have to reach an understanding to avoid that partial
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  Speaker 1: shutdown coming up actually on Saturday, and that's to fund
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  Speaker 1: the Department of Defense, Homeland Security, Health and Human Services,
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  Speaker 1: and a bunch of other federal departments. And agencies. And
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  Speaker 1: so what happened is Congress yesterday took a step closer
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  Speaker 1: to this partial shutdown. Republicans dismissed the demand by Senate
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  Speaker 1: Democrats to drop funding from home Land Security. Why because
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  Speaker 1: of what's happening in Minneapolis. Now, the House did pass
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  Speaker 1: the bill House, of course controlled by Republicans, and it
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  Speaker 1: would allocate another ten billion dollars on top of the
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  Speaker 1: seventy six billion dollars that Homeland Security is to receive
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  Speaker 1: over the next four years that's under the One Big
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill Act. And what GOP senator said, they want
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  Speaker 1: to preserve the entire six bill package, including the appropriations
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  Speaker 1: to Homeland Security. And the Democrats say, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna you have to change the way Homeland Security
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  Speaker 1: is operating. You have to change the way the agencies
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  Speaker 1: are dealing with protesters. You cannot do what Ice is doing.
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  Speaker 1: It all has to change. Well, the Republicans are saying, nope,
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  Speaker 1: we're not going to change because what they do is
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  Speaker 1: back up the president. No matter what I mean. This
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  Speaker 1: is what happened. You know. Christinoame head of Homeland Security,
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  Speaker 1: immediately after the shooting, said that Alex pretty was a domestic,
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  Speaker 1: was a domestic terrorists that he was there to massacre
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  Speaker 1: agents there, I mean literally made it up out of
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  Speaker 1: whole cloth. And the Democrats are saying, we're done with that,
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  Speaker 1: because look at what ICE is doing, picking up people indiscriminately.
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  Speaker 1: Anybody who is Hispanic, looks Hispanic, is speaking Spanish, is
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  Speaker 1: hanging out in front of a Low's or a home depot,
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  Speaker 1: is working at a chicken processing plant and are being
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  Speaker 1: picked up. And unfortunately it's a very wide, sweeping array
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  Speaker 1: of arrests. Now, christinoam says, we're only going after the
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  Speaker 1: worst of the worst. Have you've seen those arrests, the
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  Speaker 1: worst of the worst, right, people who the majority of
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  Speaker 1: which don't have a criminal record. Now they are illegal,
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  Speaker 1: the vast majority, and some do. Some are vicious people.
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  Speaker 1: But it is so far reaching that most of us,
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  Speaker 1: well that's not necessarily true. Most of the people I
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  Speaker 1: know are finding that Ice is basically over the top.
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  Speaker 1: So the Democrats say, no, you got to you gotta
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  Speaker 1: change things, and if you don't, you're not going to
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  Speaker 1: get your bill. And this, the partial shutdown of the
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  Speaker 1: government is going to happen. Then it gets interesting because
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  Speaker 1: who's going to get the blame on this one. Generally
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  Speaker 1: the Republicans get the blame, but in this case, it
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  Speaker 1: is the Democrats who are saying, if you don't change
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  Speaker 1: ice tactics, we're not going to fund and we'll see
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  Speaker 1: the political fallout from that one. And there is backlash
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  Speaker 1: like crazy primarily and I find this interesting. The Second
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  Speaker 1: Amendment folks, the advocates of gun ownership are really upset,
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  Speaker 1: said about what's going on. Why because Preddy had a
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  Speaker 1: permit to carry that gun, he was within his Second
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  Speaker 1: Amendment rights, and Peatella saying it was against the law
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  Speaker 1: for him to carry that gun. Just making it up,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just making stuff up, you know. Again, that's
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  Speaker 1: what this administration is doing, just make things out of
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  Speaker 1: whole cloth. And they're saying, oh, no, no, no, he
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  Speaker 1: was legitimate in his carrying that weapon. And so they're
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  Speaker 1: actually going on the other side at least on this issue.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see how this works. We'll see is it
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  Speaker 1: going to is there gonna be a partial shutdown. We'll
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  Speaker 1: see who wins on this one. And I think maybe
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  Speaker 1: in this case the Democrats are going to prevail only
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  Speaker 1: because even Republicans, particularly in the Senate are saying no
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  Speaker 1: funding of the government unless Ice changes his tactics. And
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  Speaker 1: by the way, we haven't heard anything about Ice changing
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  Speaker 1: his tactics other than Bovino, who is head of He's
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  Speaker 1: border patrol and he's sort of the poster child of
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  Speaker 1: arresting everybody there. He is. He's being removed today and
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  Speaker 1: Tom Holman, who is head of ICE, is coming in
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  Speaker 1: and Bovino has been transferred but or going back. But
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  Speaker 1: not a word yet about how Ice has overreached. Not
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  Speaker 1: a word. And you're not going to hear it from
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  Speaker 1: the White House. They always double down no matter what happens.
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  Speaker 1: All right, there is something called the Kavanaugh Stop, also
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  Speaker 1: known as the Burrito stop. And well maybe it's not
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  Speaker 1: known as the Burrito stop, but it should be known
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  Speaker 1: as the Burrito stop. And what does the Kavanaugh stop?
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  Speaker 1: And this we're talking about Judge Kavanaugh's the US Supreme Court.
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  Speaker 1: This comes from a September ruling by the Court in
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  Speaker 1: a six to three revote write down liberal and conservative lines,
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  Speaker 1: and that lifted a lower court order barring immigration agents
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  Speaker 1: happened here in Los Angeles for stopping people based solely
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  Speaker 1: on factors including race, basically profiling is now allowed based
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  Speaker 1: on what the Supreme Court did in a very quick
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  Speaker 1: what's called a I think a shadow order, shadow shadow
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  Speaker 1: box order that still allows the court later on to rule.
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  Speaker 1: And the Court unanimously ruled in seventy five California border
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  Speaker 1: agents who stopped the car because its occupants looked Mexican
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  Speaker 1: violated the Constitution. So in the La case, a federal
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  Speaker 1: judge ruled that agents needed a lot more than just
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  Speaker 1: a combination of a person's race, the fact they spoke
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  Speaker 1: Spanish or accented English, the type of work they do,
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  Speaker 1: and basically finding anything to justify detaining someone based on
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  Speaker 1: ethnicity read Latino. And the Supreme Court nineteen seventy five
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  Speaker 1: said you can't do that. Well, that's exactly what happened now,
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  Speaker 1: And there was a lawsuit because agents were picking up
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  Speaker 1: people are picking up people solely on the basis of race,
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  Speaker 1: and the Court in a sixty three decision said, Yep,
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  Speaker 1: it can be done. It's constitutionally permissible. And what's the
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  Speaker 1: basis common sense? If the ice and the authorities are
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  Speaker 1: using common sense to target people due to apparent ethnicity
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  Speaker 1: combined with let's say, speaking Spanish or being at a
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  Speaker 1: car wash or a bus stop, or in front of
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  Speaker 1: a lows for example, what the Kavanaugh stop? What the
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  Speaker 1: judges said? This is Judge Kavanaugh who wrote this that
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  Speaker 1: number one, that's a minor inconvenience to be stopped by
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  Speaker 1: Ice or the authorities. That's for starters. Any questioning is
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  Speaker 1: typically brief, and US citizens and legal residents will promptly
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  Speaker 1: go free. Now unless you have paperwork with you that
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  Speaker 1: proves you are a resident or you are a citizen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't carry paperwork with me that I'm a US citizen.
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  Speaker 1: And if I'm picked up by Ice because I look Hispanic,
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  Speaker 1: because for example, let's say I'm speaking Portuguese, I take
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  Speaker 1: an extra job because I work at iHeart and they
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  Speaker 1: don't pay me enough money, so I am casual labor
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  Speaker 1: in front of a big box store or working at
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  Speaker 1: a car wash. I can't prove that I'm a citizen.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. Well, I can. But does that mean you
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  Speaker 1: carry your passports with you? And the answer is yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you sort of have to. Now you carry your papers.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see your papers. That's where we're at. Let
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  Speaker 1: me see your papers. If that's not scary, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what is. And the court is backing that up.
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  Speaker 1: And the argument is, wait a minute, they're doing a
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  Speaker 1: lot more than picking up people who simply are citizens.
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  Speaker 1: They are actually detaining people. And we've got cases for
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  Speaker 1: days at least hours, and charges were later dropped. People
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  Speaker 1: are arguing that they're being treated horribly, and we're seeing
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  Speaker 1: the videos. Now you know, the vast, vast, vast majority
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  Speaker 1: of people number one or not being picked up too.
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  Speaker 1: If they are questioned, they're not being detained. But the
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  Speaker 1: few that are that we're seeing, it's pretty brutal. And
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  Speaker 1: of course these are examples that we see on the news.
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  Speaker 1: For example, does ICE shoot protesters indiscriminately, Well, there have
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  Speaker 1: been two shootings in Minneapolis in which people have died,
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  Speaker 1: which a lot of us feel were of course, not
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  Speaker 1: justified in any beings whatsoever, with the administration saying we're
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  Speaker 1: totally justified because it was domestic terrorists that did what
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  Speaker 1: they did and the ICE ations were merely protecting themselves,
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  Speaker 1: which is just ridiculous on its face. But that is
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  Speaker 1: a different story. So here's the bottom line. The court
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  Speaker 1: said that, yep, if you look like your Mexican, if
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  Speaker 1: you talk like your Mexican, you are a Mexican and
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  Speaker 1: we're going to be picking you up. Let me put
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  Speaker 1: it this way. If you talk Spanish, if you look
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  Speaker 1: like your Hispanic, you're working in a car wash, then
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  Speaker 1: we can pick you up. And after nineteen seventy five,
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  Speaker 1: that was crazy. This is you know, does this strike
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  Speaker 1: you as America? I mean, this is a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people are very upset about that. Raids are creating a
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  Speaker 1: culture of fear. And I know people who have Hispanics
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  Speaker 1: working for them and they are genuinely frightened. You know,
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  Speaker 1: my housekeeper is frightened to go outside the door. And
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  Speaker 1: I tell her when we're talking about price, you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you don't lower your price to me, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to call immigration. Let me tell you how cheap she
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  Speaker 1: is relative to what I was paying her five years ago.
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  Speaker 1: It is an incredible bargain. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I love the contradiction of these people are being treated
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  Speaker 2: so poorly and then the same breath, yeah, I hire
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  Speaker 2: them so I can have cheap labor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean, of course it's all about me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's no you know, there's a reason that
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  Speaker 1: my middle name is hypocrite. You know that, don't you? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: coming out like they're less than yes, five bucks an
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  Speaker 1: hour exactly. All right, just another word about what's going
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  Speaker 1: on with ICE. And you know how unhappy I am
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  Speaker 1: with the way ICE is working. And let me give
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  Speaker 1: you another spin on this. If the government is looking
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  Speaker 1: to deport the vast majority or those a part of
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  Speaker 1: most of illegal aliens who are here, and it does
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  Speaker 1: not stop people who are Hispanic, how will it ever
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  Speaker 1: find those people if there are, if they're not targeted
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  Speaker 1: and have records. In other words, is there a mechanism
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  Speaker 1: for finding someone who has been illegal? And that gets
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  Speaker 1: very difficult because to be fair to all those people,
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  Speaker 1: you don't pick them up and you deport them. To
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  Speaker 1: deport them, it looks like you can't be fair. So
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  Speaker 1: it is a tough way to go either way. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just taking the other side, even though I hate what
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  Speaker 1: ICE is doing. Okay, now we move over to this case,
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  Speaker 1: which is just insanely important. And for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: you got this large group of parents and teens and
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  Speaker 1: school district districts taking on some of the world's most
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  Speaker 1: powerful social media companies and this is an open court
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  Speaker 1: and accusing them, these companies of intentionally designing their products
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  Speaker 1: to be addictive. Okay, Now, this is a blockbustered case,
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  Speaker 1: and you're gonna see multiple CEOs, including Zuckerberg, facing real
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  Speaker 1: harsh questioning because they're gonna be be put on the stand.
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  Speaker 1: And this is a very long series of trials kicking
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  Speaker 1: off in LA today Superior Court. Hundreds of US families,
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  Speaker 1: plaintiff lists goes on and on and on. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got hundreds of US families alleging that meta snap TikTok
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  Speaker 1: YouTube harm children and once the young people are hooked,
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  Speaker 1: this is according to the plaintiffs allegation, they then fall
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  Speaker 1: prey to depression, eating disorders, self harm, and other mental
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  Speaker 1: health issues. In this particular case, about sixteen hundred plaintiffs
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  Speaker 1: are involved in the lawsuit. And that's just the start
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  Speaker 1: of this. Because everyone uses is social media. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got sixteen hundred plaintiffs, including three hundred and fifty families,
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty school districts who have been part
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  Speaker 1: of this lawsuit. There is a lawyer who is founder
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  Speaker 1: of the Social Media Victims Law Center, and he's representing
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  Speaker 1: part of the representation. Said the fact that a social
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  Speaker 1: media company is going to have to stand trial before
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  Speaker 1: a jury that is unprecedented. Now this is an initial trial.
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  Speaker 1: This actually is a pilot trial and it's expected to
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  Speaker 1: last six to eight weeks and one of the plaintiffs
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  Speaker 1: that will be involved big time or this particular case
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  Speaker 1: involves a nineteen year old and alleging sheet developmental health
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  Speaker 1: issues at a very young age after becoming addicted to
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  Speaker 1: social media apps, and her case is going to be
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  Speaker 1: around is going to be the first of around twenty
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  Speaker 1: two Bellweather trials, which means this is just the tip
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  Speaker 1: of the iceberg, the tip of the barrel of the monkeys,
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  Speaker 1: the tip of the camel's back that is broken by monkeys,
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  Speaker 1: and a barrel. I always get those correct, Well done,
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  Speaker 1: thank you very much. And it's being used to test
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  Speaker 1: cases to gow jury's reactions, how are jury's going to
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  Speaker 1: feel about this? And potential verdicts, and these trials ultimately
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  Speaker 1: are going to cover thousands of lawsuits have been coordinated
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  Speaker 1: together because you can't have thousands and thousands of trials
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  Speaker 1: over the same issue, and there is something called the
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  Speaker 1: Judicial Council Coordination Proceeding that is combining the trials. If
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  Speaker 1: these go the way that the plaintiffs want it to go,
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  Speaker 1: and it's about all the big media companies being fed
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  Speaker 1: by sixteen hundred plaintiffs, three hundred and fifty families, two
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  Speaker 1: hundred and fifty school districts, and including many individuals. And
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  Speaker 1: this case is going to be the first of around
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  Speaker 1: twenty two Bellweather trials. That's in quotes, and they're being
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  Speaker 1: used to test juries, reactions, and potential verdicts. And ultimately
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  Speaker 1: they're looking at thousands of lawsuits that are being coordinated
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  Speaker 1: into one massive lawsuits. And here's what the plaintiffs are
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  Speaker 1: asking for financial damage. Now, keep in mind what they're
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  Speaker 1: saying that their damages are body shaming. These are kids
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  Speaker 1: for the most part, and school districts who are involved
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  Speaker 1: with the kids, but lack of self esteem and body
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  Speaker 1: shaming and mental illnesses or mental issues. And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you what the defense is, which is kind of neat.
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  Speaker 1: So here's what they want. They want financial damages for
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  Speaker 1: what they're going through, and they want the court the
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  Speaker 1: juries to order that the design of the platforms themselves
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  Speaker 1: to be changed. That's how big this is, and establishing
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  Speaker 1: industry wide safety standards. And if they win, man, it
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  Speaker 1: just changes how their platforms are designed and create new
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  Speaker 1: avenues for lawsuits. Key witnesses. You're going to see Evan Spiegel,
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  Speaker 1: CEO snap instagrams at a Missouri Zuckerberg along with experts,
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  Speaker 1: I mean six to eight year, six to eight weeks
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  Speaker 1: of this trial. So the defense, the YouTube spokesperson Jose
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  Speaker 1: Costanada Castagnada called the allegations in these lawsuits simply not
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  Speaker 1: true because not only are there no damages to these
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  Speaker 1: kids and people who say they are addicted to these
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  Speaker 1: programs or these platforms, but we provide safer, healthier experiences
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  Speaker 1: that have always been core to our work, and we
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  Speaker 1: built services and policies to provide young people age appropriate
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  Speaker 1: experience and parents have robust control. Yep, that's what they're saying.
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  Speaker 1: And the analogy here is what happened with tobacco, Big Tobacco,
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  Speaker 1: because Big Tobacco kept on telling all of us that
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  Speaker 1: smoking is fine, it's healthy, well, it's not harmful towards
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  Speaker 1: the end and they had to settle up because there
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  Speaker 1: were internal memos saying, oh yeah, this is addictive as
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  Speaker 1: hell and they knew it. So now they're looking at
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  Speaker 1: the same thing here. There are a couple of memos
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  Speaker 1: that one employee on Instagram. It calls the app a drug,
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  Speaker 1: and another employee says, lol, we're basically pushers. Now these
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  Speaker 1: two Is that going to change everything? Not really. But
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  Speaker 1: here is what the companies are doing. Number one, it's
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  Speaker 1: not true. These kids were claiming that they've been damaged
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  Speaker 1: by these media, by the platforms. It's not true. They're
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  Speaker 1: not addicted, they're not being harmed, there's not shaming, none
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  Speaker 1: of that. That doesn't exist, or at least it's not
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  Speaker 1: their fault. And the other big defense is there is
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  Speaker 1: a federal law under section two thirty of the Communications
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  Speaker 1: Decency Act. It exempts platforms from legal liability for content
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  Speaker 1: generated by their users. Now Here is the flaw. They
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  Speaker 1: are not responsible for publishing content if I, for example,
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  Speaker 1: want to shame I want to shame let's say Neil,
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  Speaker 1: because there's so much there to shame him for. Okay, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I am protected, or the platform is protected because I
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  Speaker 1: am simply going ahead and I'm the one that's doing it.
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  Speaker 1: This allegation is that the platform itself is designed to
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  Speaker 1: have me addicted and for Neil to be to be
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  Speaker 1: harmed by whatever I say. It is the very design
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  Speaker 1: of the platform and that's what it separates itself out
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  Speaker 1: from the Communications Decency Act, And that's exactly what one
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  Speaker 1: judge has said. There has been one settlement already by
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  Speaker 1: Snap and this just came down and we don't know
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: how much it was. I'm assuming it was a whole
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: lot of money, and of course no admission of wrongdoing,
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: and they're happy that it's been amica amicably resolved. But
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happened happens. Is there any doubt by
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: the way that these that they're designed to be addictive?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: None in my mind, because what is the point of
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: platforms getting as many people to be on the platform
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: for as long a period as possible, Because that's the
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: value of someone being on the platform. If they're on
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: for two hours a day, they're not as valuable for
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: someone who is on for five hours a day because
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: of the data mining and the ability to well frankly
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: sell products and show the data brokers and show advertisers who, what, where,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and how long you stay and what you're visiting. Uh
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So we'll see what this trial comes up with. I
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: don't think that these platforms are going to be able
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: to defend themselves in front of a jury and their argument. Nope, nope, untrue.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: None of these kids were harmed by us. And nope,
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: not only have we not designed our programs to keep
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: people on as long as possible and to keep teenagers,
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: particularly on, it's we go the other way. We make
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: sure that they are being helped in a way that
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: and it gives parents' controls. Can't wait for that defense
• 25:21
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