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The Flying Saucer and the Atlantean Bracelet · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, my name is Preston Dennett and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. I call
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  Speaker 1: this episode the Flying Saucer and the Atlantean Bracelet. This
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most unusual stories of UFO contact
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  Speaker 1: I have ever heard. It has unique elements, lots of
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  Speaker 1: high strangeness, and I think it provides some really important
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  Speaker 1: and profound insights into the nature of the UFO phenomenon.
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  Speaker 1: This account comes from a gentleman by the name of
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  Speaker 1: James Santiago. He was a very wealthy, famous nightclub performer
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  Speaker 1: and singer. And his story begins in 1982 in Calgary, Canada.
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  Speaker 1: I am going to play live clips of my interview
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  Speaker 1: with James so you'll be able to hear his story
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  Speaker 1: in his own words. So in 1982, James was performing
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  Speaker 1: in Calgary, Canada. It was a month-long engagement. It went
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  Speaker 1: very well. He got standing ovations every night. And his
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  Speaker 1: next engagement was in Vancouver, Canada, which is on the
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  Speaker 1: other side of the Rocky Mountains, some hundreds of miles
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  Speaker 1: away on the west coast of Canada. And James was
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  Speaker 1: planning to fly because he absolutely hates long car rides.
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  Speaker 1: And then his plans changed when his makeup artist, a
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  Speaker 1: lady I'll call Melanie, that's not her real name, wanted
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  Speaker 1: to introduce James to her mother. I'll call her Cleo.
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  Speaker 1: Turns out Melanie's mother, Cleo, is a world-famous artist. She's
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  Speaker 1: not only famous, she's super successful, extremely wealthy, and has
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  Speaker 1: paintings hanging in museums and important institutions all across the
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  Speaker 1: United States and the world. And James, himself being an
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  Speaker 1: accomplished artist, was pretty excited to meet Cleo. Melanie warned
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  Speaker 1: him that Cleo was a very, very eccentric woman, And
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  Speaker 1: all these strange and wild things happened to her. Although
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  Speaker 1: Melanie warned him about this, James wasn't too concerned. He
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  Speaker 1: himself was a little bit eccentric. And being an accomplished artist,
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  Speaker 1: he was very excited to meet her as well. And
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  Speaker 1: then when he met Cleo, he was a bit taken
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  Speaker 1: aback because Cleo was quite strange. She was an elderly woman, well,
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  Speaker 1: her mid-50s, somewhat heavyset. She had long white hair, which
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  Speaker 1: she tied up in sort of a Mae West knot.
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  Speaker 1: She wore makeup in a very peculiar way, with dark
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  Speaker 1: rings around her eyes. She was very opinionated. She had
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  Speaker 1: a hundred little idiosyncrasies. She was a very strong vegan.
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  Speaker 2: She....
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  Speaker 1: Was just a very strange woman but James was entranced
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  Speaker 1: by her and Cleo herself was delighted by James and
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  Speaker 1: they became good friends very quickly and it turned out
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  Speaker 1: that Cleo had an engagement in Vancouver at the same
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  Speaker 1: time James did and she invited James to ride along
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  Speaker 1: with her into Vancouver James didn't want to do it.
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  Speaker 1: He hates long car rides, he told her, and he
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  Speaker 1: absolutely refused. But Melanie also encouraged James to go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: You'll have a good time. You guys will have fun.
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  Speaker 1: James didn't want to go on this car ride, but
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  Speaker 1: both Cleo and Melanie kept encouraging him, and finally he
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  Speaker 1: gave in. And, as James says in his own words,
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  Speaker 1: she was a very strange woman. really strange, a very
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  Speaker 1: peculiar person, so I'm definitely not driving with her. But
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  Speaker 1: she worked on me for a week and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I cannot tell you to this day why I agreed
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  Speaker 1: to do it. But finally I said, okay. I caved
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  Speaker 1: under the pressure, and I did it. So the time
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  Speaker 1: arrived for them to leave, and Cleo and James got
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  Speaker 1: into the car and took off on this long, It
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  Speaker 1: would be a two-day-long road trip across the Canadian Rockies.
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  Speaker 1: And about 15 minutes into the trip, Cleo made a
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  Speaker 1: very strange announcement. And I'll just let James describe what
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  Speaker 1: Cleo said.
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  Speaker 3: So, we get in the car, and she's got like
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  Speaker 3: this James Bond secret agent car. It was this old, giant,
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  Speaker 3: lanyard monte carlo right and it was blue blue blue
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  Speaker 3: and it was all shiny you know and um white
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  Speaker 3: leather on the insides and you know an upper scale
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  Speaker 3: car but it's not you know like a rolls or
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  Speaker 3: something like that anyway so this is it's and it's
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  Speaker 3: big and square and gigantic lanyard like those old lincoln
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  Speaker 3: continentals you know it's just huge.
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  Speaker 2: So, I.
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  Speaker 3: Get in the car with her, and I can't believe
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  Speaker 3: I'm getting in the car. I mean, it's just like, oh, God,
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  Speaker 3: you moron, what are you doing? I'm hating it, right? So,
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  Speaker 3: we start driving, and we're just pretty much quiet about
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  Speaker 3: 25 miles out of town where there was nothing.
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  Speaker 2: She stops and says, oh, do you have any pennies
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  Speaker 2: on you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like oh yeah i have pennies and she said
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  Speaker 3: do you have a lot do you have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of change i said oh i have a box of
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  Speaker 3: change in my luggage you.
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  Speaker 2: Know just a little change but i collect so much
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  Speaker 2: so easy right so this big box of.
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  Speaker 3: Change and she said well would you mind taking out
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  Speaker 3: all the pennies in the the quarters that are sandwiched.
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  Speaker 2: With copper no why.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like well um I think you should know
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  Speaker 3: I'm being followed by UFOs.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, God.
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  Speaker 3: There I am in the middle of fucking nowhere in
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  Speaker 3: Canada with this crazy woman, right, who's being followed by UFOs,
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  Speaker 3: and she wants to know.
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  Speaker 2: If I have any power.
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  Speaker 3: You know, so.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I said, well, here. Let's open the bag.
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  Speaker 3: So I get my luggage and I take out this
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  Speaker 3: box of change that I have.
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  Speaker 2: And I see a kid. And I say, come here. Here,
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  Speaker 2: this is your.
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  Speaker 3: Lucky day to give this box of change to this kid.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I'm sure his mother still doesn't believe that story.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, you know.
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  Speaker 3: He probably got about 40 bucks in change, right? But
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  Speaker 3: it was just, I'm going to stop and go through
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  Speaker 3: every coin. I get back in the car. And she says,
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  Speaker 3: you don't believe me, do you?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 3: Well, she had her whole car, everything that was copper,
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  Speaker 3: replaced in silver. That's what she told me.
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  Speaker 2: So there was nothing. But this car had some.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know how many hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 3: she paid for this car, because it did.
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  Speaker 2: It was like a.
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  Speaker 3: James Bond car. It had all this weird stuff in it.
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  Speaker 3: But it looked like a normal car. But her daughter
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  Speaker 3: told me, well, you know, my mom... Lives in her car.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a wealthy woman. A very wealthy woman.
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  Speaker 3: She can have houses everywhere. But she lives in this
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  Speaker 3: Monte Carlo. And she checks into a hotel. And changes
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  Speaker 3: the hotel every two days. Or every two or three days.
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  Speaker 2: Right?
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  Speaker 3: But nowhere ever than three. And travels all over the
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  Speaker 3: place doing that.
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  Speaker 2: And....
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  Speaker 3: Enterprise possessions were in that blue car. And so I
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  Speaker 3: was to find out a little bit about that car
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  Speaker 3: as this trip progressed.
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  Speaker 1: So after this little incident, James kind of regrets getting
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  Speaker 1: into the car with this very strange woman who is
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  Speaker 1: being followed, she says, by UFOs. But it's too late now,
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  Speaker 1: so he... Jess continues the trip, and as the trip progresses,
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  Speaker 1: it turns out they have a really good time. They
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  Speaker 1: start discussing all these really interesting subjects, such as ghosts, Atlantis,
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  Speaker 1: other esoteric and spiritual subjects. Cleo basically gave James a
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  Speaker 1: very advanced spiritual education, and James was absolutely fascinated by
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  Speaker 1: this woman and just had a great time with her.
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  Speaker 1: So they drive into the foothills of the Rocky Mountains.
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  Speaker 1: Around dusk, they find a restaurant, a little cafe, and
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  Speaker 1: have dinner. And this is when something very strange happened,
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  Speaker 1: something that James remembers, particularly because of what would happen afterwards.
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  Speaker 1: As they were eating dinner, there was a table next
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  Speaker 1: to them where two elderly gentlemen were seated, just normal-looking guys.
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  Speaker 1: But these two gentlemen stared at Cleo and James for
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  Speaker 1: the entire duration of their meal, never once took their
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  Speaker 1: eyes off of them. James thought this was really quite odd,
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  Speaker 1: and given what would happen next, he remembered this incident
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  Speaker 1: vividly and wonders if it was somehow connected to what
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  Speaker 1: would soon be the single most unusual experience of his
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  Speaker 1: entire life. So at any rate, they finished their dinner,
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  Speaker 1: got back into this blue Monte Carlo, and and continued
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  Speaker 1: the drive into the Rocky Mountains. And James was terrified
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  Speaker 1: to find how steep and treacherous these mountain roads were.
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  Speaker 1: There were steep gorges dropping hundreds of feet onto the
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  Speaker 1: side and mountains rising hundreds of feet all around them.
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  Speaker 1: And Cleo seemed to be a good driver. And as
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  Speaker 1: they continued the drive, They were right into the heart
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  Speaker 1: of the Rocky Mountains, and this is when something very
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  Speaker 1: peculiar happened. Cleo turned to James and said that they
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  Speaker 1: were about to see a UFO. And I'll just let
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  Speaker 1: James describe this entire incident in his own words, because
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  Speaker 1: it's so strange.
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  Speaker 3: We were driving along, enjoying the night, and it had
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  Speaker 3: to be around 9 or 10 o'clock at night now.
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  Speaker 2: And he goes, do you feel the pressure? And I'm like, no.
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  Speaker 2: He goes, oh, well, you will. We're about to see
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  Speaker 2: a UFO. I'm like, I feel great.
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  Speaker 3: You know, not believing her, just thinking, oh, God. You know,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm looking out the window, and we're just driving along,
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, I feel this pressure. It
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  Speaker 3: was like somebody was pushing me Not in a painful way,
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  Speaker 3: but there was definite pushing on my head and on
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  Speaker 3: my shoulders and just pushing my body into the seat.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, on my legs. Yes, my whole thing was just
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  Speaker 2: like pushed into the chair. Right?
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  Speaker 3: But it was a palpable pressure, you know? Almost, you know,
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  Speaker 3: like if I pushed your head into your shoulders.
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  Speaker 2: Strong, the whole thing. It's like, holy shit. No, I
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  Speaker 2: was like surprised, of course.
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  Speaker 3: And then.
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  Speaker 2: Looked at me and smiled. And it didn't hurt at all.
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  Speaker 3: It was just surprising and disconcerting, you know, because I'd
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  Speaker 3: never experienced anything like that. So then, and then before
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  Speaker 3: we could say too much more, foo! Right in front
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  Speaker 3: of us is a UFO, a saucer-shaped UFO. Now, I
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  Speaker 3: did not see any individual lights on it. Like, I've
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  Speaker 3: heard many people see lights, different lights, right? The entire
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  Speaker 3: thing glowed an exquisite turquoise, right? And it looked almost
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  Speaker 3: like neon light, only it was the entire craft was
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  Speaker 3: glowing this brilliant turquoise, and I couldn't see the top,
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  Speaker 3: we could only see the bottom of it, right?
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  Speaker 2: A round disc shape, you know, the classic flying saucer.
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  Speaker 3: I would assume, but we didn't see it from the side,
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  Speaker 3: or the top, and it just went right over the
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  Speaker 3: car and stayed there, right exactly with the car. I
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  Speaker 3: was looking out of the windshield like that, and I
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  Speaker 3: could see it. And I didn't have to move very far.
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  Speaker 2: It was huge, right?
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  Speaker 3: But it wasn't that huge. That's what surprised me. It
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  Speaker 3: was maybe only 15 times the size of the car. Right,
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  Speaker 3: but considering where it had to have come from and
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  Speaker 3: so forth, I thought, well, it's kind of small.
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  Speaker 2: And it was just.
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  Speaker 3: And I could just look out and see this glowing disc.
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  Speaker 2: And I was.
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  Speaker 2: So excited. I have never been that awake in my life.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I was so in the moment, and I
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  Speaker 3: remember it so vividly, and I remember looking out and
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  Speaker 3: saying to myself, remember this forever and for all time.
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  Speaker 3: Burn this into your memory, in your mind's eye. Really
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  Speaker 3: be here, because this You're going to tell people about
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  Speaker 3: this and they're not going to believe you. But you
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  Speaker 3: know something now for sure and certain that maybe other
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  Speaker 3: people don't. And I was just really so in the
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  Speaker 3: moment and so excited. I was not the least bit afraid.
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  Speaker 3: I was totally enthusiastic and excited and hoping they would
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  Speaker 3: land and I'd go up and go, welcome, you know.
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  Speaker 3: maybe 40 or 50 feet above the car. That's pretty close,
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  Speaker 3: you know? It scared, and she put the pedal to
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  Speaker 3: the metal, and we went flying around these curves like
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  Speaker 3: that with these tremendous gorges, right? And a little railing
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  Speaker 3: like a toothpick. And I was like, oh my God,
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  Speaker 3: I was terrified. And we're driving, but I wasn't to them.
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  Speaker 3: I was hoping they would land. I really wanted to just,
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  Speaker 3: get out and go, so, how it stings, you know.
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  Speaker 3: She said, see, I told you. And I said, well,
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  Speaker 3: I apologize for that. How could I have known? And
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  Speaker 3: I did apologize, but I did say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: the world doesn't know yet. And now I know, you know.
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  Speaker 3: I never thought anything like that would happen to me. And, um,
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  Speaker 3: It stayed with the car for a really long time.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, like 10 minutes. And that's an eternity in
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  Speaker 3: that heightened state. It was long enough that I started
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  Speaker 3: relaxing with it. And, you know, I was really getting
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  Speaker 3: into it because I was just looking at it so much.
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  Speaker 2: But it was so beautiful, the turquoise glow. of it, right?
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  Speaker 3: The entire thing glowed simultaneously. It didn't pulsate, and there
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  Speaker 3: was no sound. As the... time increased, the pressure increased.
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  Speaker 3: And towards the end, it was starting to get uncomfortable, like...
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  Speaker 3: or didn't like it, and I was getting a little
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  Speaker 3: bit afraid, right? Well, it just felt really weird.
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  Speaker 2: You know? Um... It not only felt like you were
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  Speaker 2: going into.
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  Speaker 3: being pushed into the seat, your ears felt like, you
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  Speaker 3: know when you dive to a bottom of a swing
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  Speaker 3: pole and you're not pressurized, you get that feeling.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of like that.
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  Speaker 3: I remember so vividly seeing the white.
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  Speaker 2: Of the dashboard and the upholstery.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, these are things that Every time I think
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  Speaker 3: about this story, these images come to my mind, right?
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  Speaker 3: Of her driving, her feet driving, and of the whiteness
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  Speaker 3: of the doors, and the way they were lit by
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  Speaker 3: this turquoise light. I can see that in my mind's
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  Speaker 3: eye so perfectly, right? And that was the only light.
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  Speaker 3: The headlights and that. It was very bright.
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  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: That was really pretty. But it didn't send any beams
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  Speaker 3: down or do anything.
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  Speaker 2: It might have.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe that pressure was a beam and I couldn't see it.
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  Speaker 3: Because I could certainly feel it. Maybe that's what kept
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  Speaker 3: it perfectly with the car. I didn't really even think
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  Speaker 3: of that until this moment. Because I was so focusing
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  Speaker 3: on that, I don't remember seeing other cars. I've thought
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  Speaker 3: about that so many times. Well, I wondered if we
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  Speaker 3: had missing time or not. I never even thought to
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  Speaker 3: check that. And I don't know if she did either.
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  Speaker 3: And we were in the middle of a stinking Rocky.
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  Speaker 3: One Rocky looked like another, so you can't mark the
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  Speaker 3: distance or where you were. I was scared then. But
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  Speaker 3: I was still excited. I still would have gotten out
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  Speaker 3: of the car and gone say hello.
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  Speaker 1: So they're driving along. They feel this pressure on their body.
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  Speaker 1: This UFO appears. It's about 50 feet above their car.
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  Speaker 1: It's this beautiful emerald green. Cleo is screeching around these
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  Speaker 1: mountain roads. James is terrified of the way she's driving,
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  Speaker 1: but he has no fear of this object itself. He's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely entranced. And as he said, he felt more awake
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  Speaker 1: than he's ever felt in his entire life. I found
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  Speaker 1: this particular detail quite interesting because it's certainly something I've
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  Speaker 1: heard from other experiencers. I've also heard other experiencers describe
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  Speaker 1: this weird pressure on their body. So these are some
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  Speaker 1: important little details that I think lend corroboration and authenticity
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  Speaker 1: to his account. because James had no interest or education
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  Speaker 1: on UFOs up to this point he did not even
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  Speaker 1: know if they were real but it was this feeling
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  Speaker 1: of awakeness and awareness that really affected him deeply.
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  Speaker 3: Now the energy that I got out of that thing
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  Speaker 3: I felt, I don't want to say comforting, but comfortable.
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  Speaker 3: I was not afraid. She was afraid, but even she
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  Speaker 3: wasn't making me afraid. I was, mm-mm, there's nothing to
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  Speaker 3: be afraid of.
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  Speaker 2: I was excited, I was so excited, so awake.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I've never been that awake in my life,
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  Speaker 3: that aware, that crystal clear in my consciousness. Yes, it
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  Speaker 3: was a state of awakeness that I don't think many
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  Speaker 3: people ever experience.
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  Speaker 2: This was an excitement.
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  Speaker 3: I felt an anticipatory excitement.
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  Speaker 2: That's what it was. And it was like a fun thing.
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  Speaker 1: And now their encounter moved from strange to absolutely beyond bizarre.
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  Speaker 1: when Cleo instructed James to open the glove compartment, empty
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  Speaker 1: it of its contents, the maps and sunglasses and such,
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  Speaker 1: and press a hidden latch and remove a secret object
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  Speaker 1: from the bottom of the glove compartment. And I'll just
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  Speaker 1: let James describe what he found inside this glove compartment.
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  Speaker 3: She looked at me and she said, open the glove box,
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  Speaker 3: take everything out. Reach your hand in and you'll feel
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  Speaker 3: the button. Push the button and the door will open.
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  Speaker 3: And reach in and take out the contents and put
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  Speaker 3: it between us.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm looking at her and.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, okay. You know, it's like, what am
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  Speaker 3: I doing with this crazy woman right now? open the
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  Speaker 3: glove box take out the maps and sunglasses and shit
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  Speaker 3: and put it on the floor and I reach in
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  Speaker 3: and I can see there's a button in there so
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  Speaker 3: I reach in and I'm like armpit deep in the
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  Speaker 3: you know glove box I press the button and this
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  Speaker 3: door goes and I like snapped and my fingers like
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  Speaker 3: ow I should have had a good look at it
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  Speaker 3: but anyway I came up and I reached in and
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  Speaker 3: I could feel something heavy wrapped in cloth and I
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  Speaker 3: picked it up and I pulled it out And it
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  Speaker 3: was in this really beautiful dark purple cloth, velvety.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of cloth with some other kind of fabric on
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  Speaker 2: the inside. It was dark.
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: I really couldn't see it, but I knew it was purple. Anyway,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: she said, unwrap it and put it between us.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: It was heavy.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And I unwrapped it, and it was this magnificent bracelet.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: But it was very large and very heavy. It would
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: have to be for a man. It would just knock
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: a woman over. And it would fall off a woman's wrist, too,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: because it was big. And it was thick, and it
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: was big like that. And it weighed a lot. And
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: it was all solid gold. And it was so intricate
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: in all this filigree work that was just magnificent. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: then there were these big oval faceted stones that were
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: sort of a seafoam green, right? And I think there
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: were either six or seven of them set around in this.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was like for a king, definitely, you know,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: or someone equivalent. It was designs, but it could have
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: been symbols that I wasn't aware of at that time,
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: you know. But the workmanship, I'm an artist, and the
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: workmanship of it was staggering I mean it was just
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: so beautiful and the glimmering stones and the way they
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: were glimmering in the light with that thing.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Over us right they were agreeing about that sort of.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Sea foam between us well I was now that was
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the other thing I was in such sensory overload I
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: have a UFO over me that I never even thought
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I'd ever see one or that You know, I believed
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: there was life out there, but I didn't think it
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: would come visiting, right, right now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: And there it was.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: So that was really cool, and that's enough to just
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: send you over the edge for a lifetime. But now
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: I've got this incredible piece of art in my hands
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: that's heavy, and it's radiating.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: I know it. I mean, it was something powerful, right?
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And she said, put it between us.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And I did, and she put her hand through it,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: and we both had our hands through it, and she said,
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: rub it. and I rubbed it, and as we rubbed it,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the pressure started to lift within four or five seconds.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's fairly immediately.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: And then the craft just kind of went up, and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: it kind of.
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Went, and it was gone.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: So after they rubbed this bracelet, and he put it back,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and this UFO departed, James was absolutely... awestruck he's not
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: sure what to make of this alleged Atlantean bracelet that
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Cleo said she had found while diving off the coast
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: of Spain and was led to it by some telepathic
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: voice he's not sure if that's true or not he
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: only knows that this bracelet was in fact real very
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: heavy huge and perhaps the most exquisite piece of artwork
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: he has ever seen in his entire life. But he
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: replaced it back into the glove compartment and following this
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: very strange encounter he and Cleo continued the drive. They
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: didn't really discuss much what had just happened other than
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: to acknowledge that this UFO had appeared and moved off.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: But it was only moments later that James saw two
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: UFOs a quarter mile away on the peak right opposite them,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: between them and a gorge. So it wasn't like they
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: could go over there and see these objects any closer.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: But James described these two UFOs landed on the opposite peak,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: about a quarter mile away. I'll just let him describe
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: this in his own words.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: And then, a few minutes later, as we're coming around
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: some bend, There was two of them landed.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: We had stopped rubbing the bracelet.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: We rubbed it for a while after the craft left.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: By this time, we put it down. I said, what
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: is this?
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: It's a bracelet. Well, I can see that, but where
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: did you get it?
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: What is it?
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: And she said, well, it's from Atlantis. And that she
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: had found it while diving off the coast of Spain.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: And she heard this voice to tell her to go
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: get this thing. And she found it. It told her
• 27:32
  Speaker 3: in her ear while she was underwater diving where to
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: get it. And she went and got it. She said, okay,
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: now you've seen it. You are sworn to secrecy.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: And I said, of course. And I put it back.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: And I put everything back the way it was.
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: Then we saw those two that were landed, the two
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: craft that were landed right next to each other. And
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: one rocky away. But impossible to get to. There's no
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: way we could get to it unless we grew wings.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: So that was fairly close. Those two craft were colored.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: One was kind of a bluish silver and the other one.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: I keep seeing his, like, reddish.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: But I can't remember clearly now anymore. I will never
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: forget that one that was right over us. Well, they're
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: a distance away from us, and they're not coming out,
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: and Gina's definitely not stopping, and there's.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: No way that I could get over there without, you know,
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: certain depth. But my reasoning was, if they land, and
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I go, say, hello, and they answer... I will know
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: something and have seen something no one ever has. I'll
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: have that knowledge. How cool is that? I love that.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: We just drove down the road, kept driving, until they
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: were out of our sight from other mountains. And I
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: didn't see any more that night. But that was enough.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: So Cleo... made no acknowledgement of these other objects, and
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: they just continued their drive out of the Rocky Mountains.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And around midnight, they finally got through, reached the foothills,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: found a hotel, and spent the evening in this hotel.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: It was uneventful. They woke up the next morning and
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: spent the entire day driving into Van And finally they
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: reached Vancouver. They saw the bay there and were coming
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: upon the Lions Gate Bridge. It was evening when Cleo
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: pointed out a star and told James, look at that star.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: It's not a star. It's a UFO. James did not
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: believe her. And I'll just let James describe what happened
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: in his own words.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: We drive all day.
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: We're driving now into Vancouver. And Vancouver looks very much
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: like San Francisco. They used to call them sister cities.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: It's hilly with a lot of Victorians. There's a bridge
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: that looks like the Golden Gate Bridge, only it's green.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: It's a suspension bridge, right? And it's called the Lions
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Gate Bridge. And from where we were going, we had
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: to cross the Lions Gate to get into our apartment. So,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: we're approaching the bridge entrance, and she says, see that star?
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: I said, hmm, no. And she says, that's not a star.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: She said, look at that star. It's not a star.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, what is it? She goes, it's
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: a UFO. And I'm like, okay. We saw a UFO
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: for real. I believe you know it's been following us.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I was like, how could it be following us? She said, well,
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: it has been. And I said, well, it's not a star.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: And so she said, just keep your eye on it.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And it was kind of like... But it was way
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: up there with the stars, you know. It was the
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: second star.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: So I thought, we're just driving onto the bridge to
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: approach the toll gate. So we're actually right there on
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: the bridge. And I'm watching the star, and it goes.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, my God. Okay, I believe you.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry. It's all new. Went straight up and then went...
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: As it went to the side, it just... kind of
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: made this line and like that, you know, and then
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: was gone.
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: I just said, oh my God, I'm so sorry. I
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: believe you. It's just, this is all new for me.
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm a moron.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: So after this star that turned out not to be
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a star darted off, James was super apologetic and really
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: just absolutely awestruck by these experiences he had had with
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Cleo and how how unbelievably strange this woman truly was.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: But he had no choice but to believe her because
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: he had seen UFOs now three times. And he went
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: to his hotel, which overlooked the bay. It overlooked Stanley Park.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Cleo also got a room in the hotel. Melanie flew
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: in a short time later, and she had a room
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: below James's. James had a very successful engagement in Vancouver,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: and he was enjoying his stay there, so he decided
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: to stay a little longer. He had friends in Vancouver.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: And one evening, he went out onto his balcony, which
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: overlooks Stanley Park, looked up, it was an overcast day,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: and saw strange lights in the clouds. And I'll just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: let James describe another profound UFO sighting.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: About two months later.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: I was staying at this hotel that was right on
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: the beach on the bay there and I used to
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: like take a shower and go out and dry my
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: hair on the balcony and look out at the boats
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: and the water because there was a plug out there
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: it was nice and just pleasant so I'd go do
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: that so it was an overcast day It was getting
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: to be dusk. It was still light dusk. It wasn't
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: dark dusk yet. But it was dusk, right? And I
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: looked up and I see these lights up above the
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: cloud layer. And they were.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Kind of cool. They were kind of like dancing around, right?
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: And I remember they were like Well, through the cogs,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: there were like these light colors, you know, like a
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: soft blue and like a soft reddish pink and kind
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: of like an opalescent one, you know, that I could
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: see the movement of above the clouds. I don't think,
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: what on earth is that? I'm not thinking UFOs yet, right?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: That is so weird.
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: Must be like, I thought it might be Klieg lights,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: you know, those big lights, pretty sure. But I don't
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: see any beams. I thought, well, that's weird. There should
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: be beams.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: What is that? And then all of a sudden, they
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: decide to show me what that is. But it's daylight
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: in front of God and everybody, right on the beach.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: And there's a million buildings all.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Right on that beach like that, right? And then all
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: the people coming and going. So, and then Stanley Park
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: is off to the side. And Stanley Park is like
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: Golden Gate Park, all beautiful.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And manicured and so forth.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: But then, after several acres, it becomes natural wilderness, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: it stays real forest and everything until it hits the ocean.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It's totally beautiful, like Stanley Park. So, I'm.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: Looking at him, and all of a sudden, two of
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: them go, out of the two discs, come out of
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: the cloud cover, and go... and right into the direction
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: of Stanley Park. Oh my god, and those were metal
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: disc shape again. They didn't have color once they came
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: out of the cloud thing.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: They moved so fast I really couldn't see what color
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: they were, but they were kind of metal-ish.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So he saw these two objects dart off into Stanley
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Park and And Melanie comes running into the room. She
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: saw them too. And they're out on the balcony reliving
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: this incident. They cannot find Cleo. And just talking about
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: what had happened when suddenly these same two objects come
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: racing out of Stanley Park at treetop level, dart upwards
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: into the clouds, and are gone. And they are just
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: absolutely amazed. They were clearly UFOs. And it was a
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: short time later that Cleo comes running into the room.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Her hair is completely disheveled. She's frightened. And she says,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: did you see the UFOs? And they said, yes, we
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: saw them arrive and we saw them leave. And Cleo
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: said that she was out painting in Stanley Park when
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: these two disks dropped down out of the sky and
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: hovered directly over her and were trying to take her.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: And she ran out of Stanley Park and evaded them
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: and took refuge in the hotel room. So this was
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: what James' fifth UFO sighting with Cleo. So it was
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: clear to him that Cleo was telling the truth, that
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: she was being followed by UFOs. Turns out Cleo basically
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: lived out of her Monte Carlo. She stayed in hotels
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: two or three days at a time. She said she
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: was being watched very closely by both the U.S. and
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Canadian government, and she was constantly trying to evade them.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: A short time later, Cleo, James, and Melanie were together.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: They were planning on going out to dinner with a
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: friend But it turned out James' friend had an abscessed tooth,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and he was in a lot of pain. And Cleo
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: offered to give him a psychic healing, but she would
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: only do it in complete privacy. So she took James'
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: friend into the bedroom and closed the door, while Melanie
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: and James stayed in the living room. And James couldn't
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: help but look over when he saw a strange and eerie,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: iridescent blue light coming from beneath the crack in the door.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: He thought that was very strange. And a short time later,
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Cleo comes out and said that James' friend is sleeping,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: which really kind of struck James as odd because it
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: was still very early evening. And Cleo said, don't worry,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: he's all right. He'll probably wake up in a little bit.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And sure enough, he did. James's friend came out into
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: the living room and announced that he was completely healed
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and was ready to go out to dinner. And so
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: they all went out to dinner and James's friend ordered steak.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: His abscessed tooth was completely healed. This turned out to
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: be the last time that James ever saw Cleo. And
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: that was his UFO adventures with Cleo. And so I
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: questioned James about these experiences and got all the details.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I've heard him tell this story many times to other people.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: We became quite good friends. And his story never changed,
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: though sometimes he did add new details. But following my
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: interview with him, I wanted to know if this was
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: a one-off or if he had had any other unusual experiences.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And James did have a lifetime of unusual experiences, paranormal events.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: He saw the ghost of his mother after she passed
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: away when he was just a little boy. It had
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: a number of ghost encounters, some very highly mystical encounters
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that he prefers to keep private and personal. He's had
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: a number of paranormal events. And I asked him, questions
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: to determine if he was a UFO contactee because I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: wasn't sure if he had possibly had missing time during
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: this incident with Cleo he's honestly not sure there's no
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: clear indication that they did but I asked him has
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: he ever woken up with strange marks or scars on
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: his body his eyes became quite wide and he said
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: yes that happens to me fairly regularly and in fact
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I have one right now and he showed me this
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: triangular shaped bruise on his arm and he says these
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: things just appear overnight I don't know how they come
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: but they always heal up quite quickly does this mean
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: anything and I said well yes it could it might
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: be an indication of UFO contact it's certainly one of
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: the indicators and I asked him has he had any
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: other unusual experiences, perhaps in childhood? Because as investigators know,
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: if a person is a UFO contactee, they will often
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: have childhood encounters. And James immediately said, yes, he had.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: As a really young boy, he had a little toy phone.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: And he said this toy phone would often start beeping
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: by itself. And he thought that was very unusual. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: I asked him, has he ever seen strange figures entering
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: into his bedroom? Anything like that? And he said, well, no,
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: not into his bedroom, but he did have a very
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: unusual experience when he was around 10 or 11 years
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: old while staying at his uncle's ranch in Oregon. His
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: uncle lived in a very rural area surrounded by a
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: pine tree forest. James was instructed never to go out
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: into the forest, that there are wild animals there and
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: that he could get lost. And of course, that's the
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: first thing James did, was start exploring the forest around
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: this ranch. And one morning, he's out in the forest,
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: sitting on a log, poking the ground with a stick,
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: when he looks up and sees two very strange figures,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: who we would probably describe as typical greys. At the time,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: as a kid, he had no idea about such things.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: But I'll just let him describe this incident in his
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: own words.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: And it is quite possible I have been a UFO contactee.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: I have no recollection of that.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: But I did see two very white-skinned men in a
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: forest on my uncle's ranch when I was nine.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: And....
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I looked up and there they were, and I looked
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: down at the ground because I knew I'd be in trouble,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: and then I went, God, they were weird looking. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: then I went, wait a minute, they're not supposed to
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: be here. This is my uncle's ranch. And I looked
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: back and they were gone. They were looking directly at me.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: But those big ferns they have in Oregon, you know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: they're really giant, as tall as a man. They were
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: standing behind two of those. They were right in front
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: of them. And it was a forest. But this was
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: a clearing in the forest. I was sitting on a log.
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: this kind of meadow thing, and it was just magnificent.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: I was just sort of sitting on the log, doodling
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: in the sand with a stick, just being a kid, right,
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: and enjoying the day, right? And I just kind of
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: felt like weird, like something was, or called my attention.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: You know, I was gnawing, so I didn't really articulate
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: it to myself, but I felt something over there.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: And I just kind of.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: Looked, And I saw them and I was like, oh.
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: And then I looked down really fast because I was
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be in the forest. That was the
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: first thing they told me. Do not go in that
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: forest alone. You know, because it's dangerous. You can find
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: your way out. You'll get lost.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: There's all sorts of dangerous animals in there. Blah, blah, blah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: So, anyway, that was the first place I went. But
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: that's just backup for... what happened in the later years.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: But I never, until I met you, really put all
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: that together and all the other stuff that's happened.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it was so fast because in my child's mind,
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: my first thing when I saw them was, oh God,
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get in trouble. I'm not supposed to
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: be in the forest. I just got busted. Right? And
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: then I was like, wait a minute. They didn't look right.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Did I see that? And it was like, Well, what
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: are they doing in the forest? This is my uncle's forest.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: Who the hell are they? And I look back up,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: and there we go.
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: So yes, this appears to be a close encounter with
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: gray ETs, and is another very strong clue that James
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: may be a contactee. So at this point, I asked
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: James if he had ever seen any other UFOs or
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: had missing times. And again, his jaw dropped, his eyes
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: became wide, and he said, actually, yes, I did have
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: a UFO sighting and missing time. And it's something he
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: had forgotten about for some time, but definitely remembered it.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: As a young man, he and three friends had gone
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: on a boating trip in the San Francisco Delta. It
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: was late in the evening, and they were enjoying themselves
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: on this boat. There were no other boats around. It
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: was pitch black at night and they had just finished
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: dinner when suddenly looking up they saw a very bright
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: red and white dazzling object drop down out of the
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: sky right over their boat and disappear. It was very obvious,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: quite large, very bright and almost as if it wanted
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to be seen. They all oohed and aahed and freaked
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: out a little bit. Just a few moments later, this
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: was followed by another bright emerald green light or object,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: which dropped down out of the sky very low, right
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: over their boat, and again disappeared. The next thing they know,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: they're waking up. They're not sure how much time had passed,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: an hour perhaps two, But they wake up. They're on
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: the deck of their boat. They had literally fallen asleep
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: where they sat. They just keeled over and fell unconscious
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: right on top of each other, all in a group.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: This was very peculiar. They could not believe that they
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: had fallen asleep so quickly right there on the deck
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: of the boat. That's something that they would never have done.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: They could not explain it. Nobody even tried to explain it.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: They didn't talk about it at all. and instead just
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: shuffled back into their cabins and went to bed for
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: the evening, and it was never discussed after that. This
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: is another strong indicator of UFO contact, where people do
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: not discuss a very profound UFO sighting. So this is
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: a clear-cut case of missing time. I think probably something
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: more happened than just this sighting, though James has no
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: memory of it. At this point, I asked him another
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: question I ask of all contactees. Have you ever dreamt
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: about UFOs or aliens? And again, James became quite surprised
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: and said, Yes, I've had UFO dreams my entire life,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: ever since I was a little boy, over and over again.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: It's a repetitive dream that's pretty much always the same
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: with slight variations. He dreams that a UFO arrives, and lands,
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: in many cases, in his dream. And he's not scared,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: but many people around him are scared. And it's his
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: job to calm people down and to instruct them to
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: get on board the UFO. And they do. They all
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: go on board, and he goes on board, and the
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: UFO takes off. I asked him for a specific example,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: and he said the most vivid dream that he could
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: remember involved him being at a carnival fairground and there
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: was a ride that's known as the spin out or
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: perhaps the tilta whirl it's a ride which is shaped
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: as a round disc it's got little sort of compartments
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: all along the edge and it spins really quickly people
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: get into the little compartments along the edge and as
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: this object spins the floor drops out and people stick
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: to the walls by centrifugal force and he says in
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: this dream he was ordering people to get on this
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: carnival ride and they all did they got onto their
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: little slots James got on board he got into his
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: slot and this carnival ride starts spinning quickly the floor
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: begins to drop out at which point it turns into
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a UFO these compartments sort of encase each person and
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: this UFO takes off and flies off into outer space
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: so this is another strong indication of UFO contact so
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: I think probably yes James is a UFO contactee and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: he was quite shocked to find out all these details connected.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: He had never really looked at them all in their totality.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: And he now believes, or following this, he believed he
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: was probably a UFO contactee. I told James' story in
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: its entirety in my book, Onboard UFO Encounters. It is
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: absolutely one of the strangest and most unusual stories of
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: UFO contact I have ever heard. And that's really why
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I wanted to share it with all of you because
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: it is profoundly strange, very unusual with unique elements. But
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: I think it shows how a person can spend much
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: of their life being a UFO contactee and never even
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: know it because all The only indicators are just these
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: few clues. Scars on the body, dreams, sightings of strange figures,
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: UFO encounters, missing time, this sort of thing. And I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: think this case is also important because it shows how
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: strange UFO contact can be. I'm not sure what to
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: make of the whole Atlantean bracelet, but it is what
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: it is. So that's James' story. I hope you've enjoyed
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: it and found it interesting. I want to thank you
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: once again for watching. I truly appreciate it. And until
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: next time, keep searching for the truth, keep asking questions,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: and keep having fun.