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Sharri | 29 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening Tonight our exclusive from the Bondai Royal Commission's
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Speaker 3: interim report how Australia was severely underprepared for Bondai, with
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Speaker 3: the National Security Committee of Cabinet failing to run a
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Speaker 3: counter terrorism exercise for years under the Albanezy government. Those
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Speaker 3: exclusive details in just a moment, plus today's shock inflation
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Speaker 3: figures set the stage for a May ratike. Former Treasury
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Speaker 3: Assistant Secretary David Pearl will get cut through the government's
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Speaker 3: economic spin. Soon, King Charles makes his mark on the
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Speaker 3: world stage with President Trump in classic entertaining mode. Also,
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Speaker 3: police have made a disturbing find in the desperate search
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Speaker 3: for five year old Sharon Grenitas. Just in turn. Now
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Speaker 3: bijimber Price will join us live and we'll cross to
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Speaker 3: Alice Springs where Leah Mendes has just been at the
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Speaker 3: home where Sharon went missing. But first tonight I can
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Speaker 3: reveal the Albanese government's National Security Committee of Cabinet has
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Speaker 3: failed to run a counter terrorism exercise in several years.
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Speaker 3: I can exclusively reveal that the interim report into the
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Speaker 3: federal law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the wake of
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Speaker 3: the Bondie attack out tomorrow is expected to raise questions
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Speaker 3: about this failure. It's understood that this is a shortcoming
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Speaker 3: of the Albanese government not to run these vital exercises.
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Speaker 3: Sources familiar with the interim report into the security agencies
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Speaker 3: have told me as well that the failure, as well
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Speaker 3: as the failure to run a counter terrorism exercise, the
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Speaker 3: interim report will also examine the effectiveness, location and role
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Speaker 3: of the National counter Terrorism Coordinator, the broader counter terrorism architecture,
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Speaker 3: information flow between the agencies where there've been major failings.
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Speaker 3: So let's go through these Firstly, A counter terrorism exercise
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Speaker 3: is a multi agency training operation designed to test emergency responsibilities, interoperability,
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Speaker 3: and crisis management plans against potential terror incidents. It means
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Speaker 3: that any flaws or weaknesses can be identified before a
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Speaker 3: terror attack. The National Security Committee of Cabinet is chaired
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Speaker 3: by the Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi and plays a crucial
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Speaker 3: role in overseeing counter terror policy and strategic responses. As
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Speaker 3: you erase the terror threat level in August twenty twenty
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Speaker 3: four to probable, meaning there was more than a fifty
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Speaker 3: percent chance of a terror attack in the near future, my.
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Speaker 4: Government's first priority is the safety and security of Australians.
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Speaker 4: I want to reassure Australians Probable does not mean inevitable,
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Speaker 4: and it does not mean there is intelligence about an
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Speaker 4: imminent threat or danger. But the advice that we've received
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Speaker 4: is that more Australians are embracing a more diverse range
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Speaker 4: of extreme ideologies and it is our responsibility to be vigilant.
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Speaker 3: Yet, despite this, the Albanezy government failed to run a
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Speaker 3: counter terrorism exercise at its National Security Committee of Cabinet,
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Speaker 3: known as the NSC. These exercises can be both in
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Speaker 3: field simulations and in house testing the crisis coordination arrangements.
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Speaker 3: In the past, government counter terrorism exercises that have been
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Speaker 3: simulated in decision making scenarios are things like how to
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Speaker 3: deal with a hijacked aircraft that could potentially crash into
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Speaker 3: a building, or a live shooter in a significant public
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Speaker 3: place such as Parliament House, or an active shooter situation
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Speaker 3: in a large shopping center. Again, the Interim Intelligence and
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Speaker 3: Security Report tomorrow is expected to raise questions about how
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Speaker 3: engaged the NSC has been in working through counter terror scenarios.
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Speaker 3: Albanezi announced this inquiry in the wake of the Bondaid
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Speaker 3: terror attack and said that the highly esteemed Dennis Richardson
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Speaker 3: would lead it.
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Speaker 4: The guarantee I can give is that Dennis Richardson, in
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Speaker 4: appointing him, has a lifetime of service. He is someone
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Speaker 4: of integrity. He will have enormous power. He will make
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Speaker 4: whatever is appropriate can be made public, will be made public.
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Speaker 3: But Dennis Richardson then sensationally quit after the intelligence review
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Speaker 3: was folded into the broader Royal Commission and there were
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Speaker 3: issues without Now source is familiar with the contents of
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Speaker 3: the interim report have told me that it's also expected
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Speaker 3: to raise questions about the counter Terrorism Coordinator. There are
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Speaker 3: concerns about the effectiveness of this role and questions about
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Speaker 3: where it's located. It sits within Home Affairs. It used
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Speaker 3: to be positioned within the Prime Minister and Cabinet. The
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Speaker 3: report examines how effective this position has been and whether
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Speaker 3: it needs to be reviewed, and I've learned there's been
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Speaker 3: a downgrade of this role under the Albanese government. This
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Speaker 3: used to be a stand alone position, the National counter
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Speaker 3: Terrorism Coordinator, but now the person who does this, Haymish Hansford,
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Speaker 3: is also the Deputy Secretary of Home Affairs and the
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Speaker 3: National Counter Foreign Interference Coordinator. So far from a stand
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Speaker 3: alone position, there's now other areas including critical infrastructure, cyber
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Speaker 3: supply chain resilience, all bundled under his responsibilities. And the
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Speaker 3: point at which this position was downgraded was just a
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Speaker 3: couple of months after the Hamas attacks on Israel on
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Speaker 3: October seven. That's precisely when it needed to be a
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Speaker 3: stand alone role. Tony Abbott had appointed Greg Moriarty to
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Speaker 3: this position in June twenty fifteen. As the inaugural counter
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Speaker 3: Terror Coordinator. His job was to coordinate all the different
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Speaker 3: departments which were ported to different ministers.
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Speaker 5: So I am very pleased to announce that Greg Moriarty,
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Speaker 5: our former Ambassador to Jakarta, currently a Deputy Secretary in
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Speaker 5: the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, will move into
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Speaker 5: my department, the Commonwealth's principal coordinating department. As our counter
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Speaker 5: Terrorism Coordinator, Greg will be responsible for coordinating our terrorism
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Speaker 5: responses that we must constantly evolve to meet an evolving
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Speaker 5: terror thread.
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Speaker 3: So in that role, Greg murriarty was responsible for coordinating
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Speaker 3: and implementing Australia's terrorism arrangements and he worked closely with
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Speaker 3: the States and territories as well. This leads him now
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Speaker 3: to a critical area that the interim Report will examine
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Speaker 3: the information flow between agencies and how threats to the
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Speaker 3: Jewish community are assessed. The Bondai terror attack has clearly
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Speaker 3: shown a breakdown in information sharing between the AFP, AZO
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Speaker 3: and New South Wales police. Figures known to ASIO, who
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Speaker 3: allegedly associated with known jihadis were able to get a
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Speaker 3: gun license. The Acroms traveled to the Southern Philippines in
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Speaker 3: the months before the terror attack at Bondai. This is
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Speaker 3: a known terror hotspot and my sources tell me and
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Speaker 3: police will claim they weren't there for military training, but
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Speaker 3: to seek a spiritual blessing for the Bondai attack. Their
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Speaker 3: travel to the Southern Philippines, I'm told was information known
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Speaker 3: to Borderforce and AFP, yet it isn't clear that this
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Speaker 3: was passed on to ASIO. It certainly wasn't passed on
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Speaker 3: to New South Wales police. This breakdown in information is
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Speaker 3: central to the recommendations within the interim Report. Now here's
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Speaker 3: the former head of the review, Dennis Richardson, speaking to
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Speaker 3: me about this on air last month. In general terms,
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Speaker 3: does it concern you that these alleged gunmen were once
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Speaker 3: known to both police and to intelligence agencies, but at
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Speaker 3: the time of the attack were not being monitored.
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Speaker 2: Well, sorry, that goes the whole question of the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commissions and its findings. What your just outline there is
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Speaker 2: absolutely a central part of the Royal Commission and I
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Speaker 2: think you'll find that those matters will be thoroughly addressed
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Speaker 2: both in hearings and in their final and in their report.
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Speaker 2: Whenever that is.
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Speaker 3: Well, The question is had ASIO known, had they been
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Speaker 3: given the information from AFP and Borderforce about the trip
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Speaker 3: to the Southern Philippines, would they have re examined the
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Speaker 3: acreps after azeo's initial twenty nineteen assessment which deemed them
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Speaker 3: low risk. Had New South Wales Police known about the
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Speaker 3: trip to a terror hotspot and their other movements, would
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Speaker 3: they have monitored them? Would they have been allowed to
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Speaker 3: have gun licenses? There's also been a very bit of
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Speaker 3: breakdown in the relationship between New South Wales Police and
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Speaker 3: the AFP. Now all of these things will be examined
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Speaker 3: the language and the report tomorrow morning. It might be
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Speaker 3: more general, it might talk about counter terrorism, are infrastructure, architecture, machinery,
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Speaker 3: but it's going to this coordination, to the cooperation, to
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Speaker 3: the information flow because there has been a massive breakdown.
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Speaker 3: How can Australians be protected from a terror attack if
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Speaker 3: each of these agencies are operating in silos and not
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Speaker 3: properly sharing information in a way that could, if not prevent,
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Speaker 3: at least reduce the risk of an attack. Now, don't
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Speaker 3: expect this report to be sensational. I'm told it's anodyne.
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Speaker 3: It's inoffensive. Now, after tomorrow's report, there will then be
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Speaker 3: hearings that look into detail about their travel movements, which
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Speaker 3: agencies knew about them, what was done with that information.
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Speaker 3: It'll look at azeo's twenty nineteen assessment of the pair.
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Speaker 3: Was that done properly. The hearings may be in public,
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Speaker 3: but most likely some will be in camera, meaning in
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Speaker 3: private for national security reasons. There's a lot more to
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Speaker 3: come on this. I've been investigating this in detail. I
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Speaker 3: have so much more information. Will bring you more on
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Speaker 3: this tomorrow night. All right, for more on this now,
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Speaker 3: it's a big show. We've got so much ahead. But
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Speaker 3: for more on this now, let's bring in Sky News
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Speaker 3: hosts Joe Hildebrandon, former Victorian Liberal Party president, Michael Kroger.
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Speaker 3: Great to see you both. Michael, I want to start
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Speaker 3: with you and my revelation just now. Is it a
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Speaker 3: surprise to you that the Albanzi government hasn't run a
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Speaker 3: counter terrorism exercise in several years.
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Speaker 6: No, it's not at all. Look, social Occasian has collapsed
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Speaker 6: in this country and part of the reason is the
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Speaker 6: shocking weakness of the Albanzy government in relation to antisemitism.
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Speaker 6: So count it terrors and operations. The left hate them,
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Speaker 6: the center left don't like them.
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Speaker 7: You know.
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Speaker 6: The Albani is he doesn't contant, government, doesn't concentrate on
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Speaker 6: these matters. So the smashing of social cohesion in his
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Speaker 6: country is basically because you'd had a government out of
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Speaker 6: his depth on these issues, too weak to do anything
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Speaker 6: about it, apart from the labor leader in New South
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Speaker 6: Wales who's done very well. So it doesn't surprise me,
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Speaker 6: not in the slightest Charry.
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Speaker 3: I genuinely didn't know there was any ideological, you know,
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Speaker 3: offense to hold encounter terrorism Exerciseslo let me pick up
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Speaker 3: Michael up on that again. You say, of course I
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Speaker 3: didn't know that. Well, I mean, why would anyone object
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Speaker 3: to very sensible counter terrorism exercises. Michael, Why, Well.
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Speaker 6: You've got to remember this. The left, the left have
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Speaker 6: a predisposition, as we've seen in America, is to defund
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Speaker 6: law enforcement, and that pervades the hard left in Australia's well,
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Speaker 6: they want open borders, they want isis Brides bought back
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Speaker 6: to Australia. They whole demonstrations after BONDI about globalizing Intofada.
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Speaker 6: The whole left, the fascist sort of anarchist left in
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Speaker 6: Australian politics and American and British politics, opposes law enforcement,
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Speaker 6: opposes the ANAS alliance, opposes our relationship with America, doesn't
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Speaker 6: like our relations with Britain, non defense matters, doesn't like Orcust,
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Speaker 6: doesn't like ANSAs, doesn't like money being spent on defense.
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Speaker 6: I could go on for hours. Right, basically, want to
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Speaker 6: defund law authority, one, weak laws, bail. So you get
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Speaker 6: the picture there it.
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Speaker 3: Is yeah, yeah, Joe, yeah, I mean that's the Greens,
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Speaker 3: it's not the government. Well, this is the government that
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Speaker 3: hasn't run the counter terrorist exercises for several years. And
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Speaker 3: by the way, I did put questions to the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister's office about this and they said they don't comment
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Speaker 3: on nsc Joe. The tensions between the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: Police and AFP haven't helped as well.
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Speaker 8: No, that's right, and I think we've seen across the
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Speaker 8: board in here, in the US, other Western countries, there
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Speaker 8: is always a danger of complacency. We were very vigilant
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Speaker 8: in running counter terrorism exercises when ISIS was a massive
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Speaker 8: threat about a decade or so ago, and we were
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Speaker 8: seeing all those lone wolf attacks. And you did you
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Speaker 8: saw those exercises being conducted in real life. You could
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Speaker 8: look out your window and see the military exercises taking place,
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Speaker 8: You could hear the sirens. There was a whole pa system,
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Speaker 8: an alert system put into place. I think the problem
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Speaker 8: is much like as we've seen with governments of both
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Speaker 8: stripes with the fuel reserves and not having enough fuel
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Speaker 8: reserves and the warnings about this for decades and decades.
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Speaker 8: When when policy is about protecting or stopping or mitigating
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Speaker 8: something that isn't actually happening but is a risk of happening,
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Speaker 8: you often find governments are complacent because it's not a
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Speaker 8: problem that is facing them as the here and now.
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Speaker 8: It is a hypothetical problem that these things are designed
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Speaker 8: to prevent or at least ameliorate, and so I'm not
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Speaker 8: surprised that it's happened, and I'm not surprised that the
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Speaker 8: government has not conducted these exercises as much as it
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Speaker 8: should when it had a whole bunch of other crisis
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Speaker 8: to deal with. But to say that there was a
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Speaker 8: deliberate effort by the government that ideologically decided, no, we're
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Speaker 8: not going to conduct these exercises, I think is a
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Speaker 8: pretty ridiculous statement.
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Speaker 3: Let's see, Well, let's see tomorrow when there are apot
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Speaker 3: comes out. Okay, we've got so many topics, a few
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Speaker 3: more to get through, so let's move on. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: has been gifted a new private plane million dollar donation
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Speaker 3: that traces back to Gina Reinhart along with former Liberal
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Speaker 3: donors Angus and Sarah Aiken. Hanson posted about it on
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Speaker 3: social media today, as you've probably seen. Michael, what's your
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Speaker 3: reaction to former Liberal donors giving major coin to Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 6: Well, a lot of people Liberal Party think that our
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Speaker 6: donors have an obligation to support us. They think just
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Speaker 6: because someone's donated to the party for years that they've
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Speaker 6: got to keep supporting us, And that's not the case
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Speaker 6: in donation are transferable. There are people that give to
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Speaker 6: Liberal there are people give to labor for various reasons.
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Speaker 6: There are people that give to the Greens. However, no
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Speaker 6: donations are compulsory. So if we disappoint donors in the
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Speaker 6: political marketplace, it's no surprise that they're going to go elsewhere.
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Speaker 6: I mean, given that our primary vote at the minute's
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Speaker 6: gone from say thirty three percent at the election two
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Speaker 6: or thirty four percent down to twenty percent. Of course,
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Speaker 6: donors go with that. It's not just voters that evacuate
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Speaker 6: support for few, the donors go with it. So it's
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Speaker 6: no surprise to see people, you know, moving to one
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Speaker 6: nation that's where a core of the country's gone. And
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Speaker 6: it's no shock to me.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Joe, this is worrying for the Liberal Party,
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Speaker 3: you know, it can't to rebuild.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely it is. I mean already, I mean the
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Speaker 8: coalition both parties made an incredibly stupid mistake in running
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Speaker 8: a split ticket in the Phara by election, and that
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Speaker 8: means that neither of them will win or my certainly,
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Speaker 8: I can't really see how that. Maybe Michael might have
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Speaker 8: a different pathway, but I can't really.
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Speaker 3: See the dation poised to win.
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Speaker 8: It'll be one nation versus the Teals, and I think
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Speaker 8: one nation will probably win, or more importantly, I would say,
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Speaker 8: if one nation can't win this by election, then it
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Speaker 8: cannot really be a major lower house threat. Can't really
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Speaker 8: be a major lower House minor party, let alone a
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Speaker 8: threat to the opposition status as the opposition. So I
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Speaker 8: think all the planets are aligned. It's now or never
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Speaker 8: for one nation. I have no doubt that the party
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Speaker 8: in its don is no surprise the Party in Stones
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Speaker 8: are throwing absolutely everything out it because it is kind
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Speaker 8: of make or break. I think there's so much expectation.
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Speaker 8: If they don't win, it'll be a massive sort of fizzer.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, this was a big revelation. On another topic, one
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Speaker 3: of the hecklets who booed on Ann's ac Day was
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Speaker 3: at the near Nazi rally last year. Now Channel seven
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Speaker 3: uncovered this and they tracked him down. This is Ellie Toby,
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Speaker 3: a twenty four year old who still lives with his parents.
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Speaker 3: I haven't told him yet, rather you guys not tell.
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Speaker 9: But the secret's out and not for the first time.
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Speaker 1: Here he is at last year's Neo Nazi rally outside
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Speaker 1: Parliament House.
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Speaker 3: The Walkorn Country.
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Speaker 7: It's not right.
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Speaker 10: Why is it not right? I just want designed to
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Speaker 10: humiliate the memory of what Australia.
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Speaker 3: I mean, Michael, two questions about this one. It shows
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Speaker 3: the nature of some of these hacklers, doesn't.
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Speaker 6: It It does. He's not the only twenty four year
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Speaker 6: old living at home, by the way, so I don't
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Speaker 6: think you should be criticized for that. But story, well, yeah,
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Speaker 6: it's probably not. Look, I don't I agree with Angus
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Speaker 6: Taylor and Tony Abbott welcomes the country are well, you know,
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Speaker 6: irrelevant at important events, but they are go on. There
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Speaker 6: are too many events. They go on for too long
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Speaker 6: in some cases, and I'd prefer them not to be
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Speaker 6: at an ANZAC ceremony when I think it's just about
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Speaker 6: the unity of every Australian who contributed. But at the
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Speaker 6: same time, I mean, you know, young blakes like this,
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Speaker 6: a man, what's he thinking gain to a neo Nazi rally?
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Speaker 6: I mean seriously, And I don't agree with booing at
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Speaker 6: ANZEC ceremonies. Whether you like what's being said or not.
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Speaker 6: There is a solemn, silent dignity to all those people
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Speaker 6: who attend these magnificent ceremonies and you don't want people booing.
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Speaker 6: It's just unacceptable and I think it's UnAustralian to do that.
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Speaker 6: But why with this twenty four year old what is
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Speaker 6: he thinking going to a neo Nazi rally at twenty
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Speaker 6: four years of age? Goodness me?
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Speaker 3: What is that the whole neo Nazi movement to men
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Speaker 3: in their twenties and thirties. I mean, that's what it is.
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Speaker 3: That's right, Joe. What's also extraordinary about this is that,
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Speaker 3: you know, while I think the police were right to
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Speaker 3: charge him, why haven't they charged their hate preachers? Chris
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Speaker 3: Kenny did an unbelievable editorial about this earlier. And you know,
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Speaker 3: they can charge someone for booing, why can't they charge
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Speaker 3: someone who stood out on the streets and said they
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Speaker 3: were elated about the massacre?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, they should be able to. And I think again
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Speaker 8: it is just that problem with this is why it's
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Speaker 8: difficult to police free speech. And it should be difficult
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Speaker 8: to police. But if you look at particularly what the
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Speaker 8: hate preachers say in their sermons in these kind of
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Speaker 8: radical mosques, they never actually say go out there and
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Speaker 8: kill Jews. They say, you know, I pray for the
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Speaker 8: day when Allah will you know, cleanse the world with
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Speaker 8: Israeli blood or something ridiculous.
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Speaker 3: Like that, where they're that's right exactly.
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Speaker 8: So there's a loophole there where they're quoting a religious
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Speaker 8: text or they are just expressing something as a kind
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Speaker 8: of a prophecy or a something that they will happen
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Speaker 8: really now. But the booing I think is absolutely disgraceful.
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Speaker 8: I think it's disgusting. I think saying, oh, you know,
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Speaker 8: I disagree with the booing, but they make a lot
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Speaker 8: of good points. It's a bit like saying, I disagree
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Speaker 8: with October seven, but Israel's been pretty bad.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 8: I don't think this is a bandwagon that anyone should
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Speaker 8: touch with a barge pole. You and I both probably know,
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Speaker 8: and I certainly have investigated people like this for number
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Speaker 8: of years. You know, as soon as you hear something
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Speaker 8: like this, the sort of people who are involved in
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Speaker 8: whipping it up and the sort of people who fall
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Speaker 8: in behind them are just useful idiots for the cause
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Speaker 8: of these white supremacists.
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Speaker 3: It's I don't think the useful idiots. I just think
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Speaker 3: the whole thing's dangerous. And you know, the terrible point
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Speaker 3: that our soldiers, you know, some of them who fought
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Speaker 3: in World War Two against the Nazi movement, and then
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Speaker 3: you've got neo Nazis. They're booming them. It's graceful. Just
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Speaker 3: very quickly before we go, I want to turn to
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Speaker 3: this amazing Quantus pilot today, two Quantus pilots in fact,
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Speaker 3: who managed to save the lives of one hundred and
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Speaker 3: eighty one passengers and crew when their planes engine exploded
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Speaker 3: during takeoff. They managed to land on a single engine
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Speaker 3: around thirty minutes later. I mean, Michael, have amazing work here.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was two and a half years ago, that happened.
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Speaker 6: They did a fantastic job. So Shery, let me get
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Speaker 6: onto more important topic, which is your your comment last
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Speaker 6: night that the Federal Police looked like they're going to
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Speaker 6: arrest two Isis brides if they come to this country.
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Speaker 6: That was an amazing revelation by you, and I just
22:08
Speaker 6: want to refer you and the viewers and Tony Burke
22:12
Speaker 6: and the Australian Federal Police to Section twelve of the
22:15
Speaker 6: Passport Acts, which says, if you are overseas, even if
22:20
Speaker 6: you're an Australian citizen, but authorities here are aware of
22:24
Speaker 6: you being charged with an indictable offense, they can stop.
22:27
Speaker 6: They can cancel your passport and stop you coming. What
22:29
Speaker 6: does that mean? The Australian Federal Police can petition the
22:32
Speaker 6: minister to cancel the passports and stop these Isis brides
22:35
Speaker 6: coming to Australia. They don't need to wait to Australia
22:38
Speaker 6: to arrest them. They can stop them coming by canceling
22:40
Speaker 6: their passports. And I think that's far more important than
22:43
Speaker 6: the quantit's pilots, although they did a great job.
22:46
Speaker 3: Well, just some light and shade when it defraates the
22:49
Speaker 3: pilots that I think that that's a great point you raise, Michael,
22:53
Speaker 3: and I hope the federal government look at it. But
22:55
Speaker 3: I have no confidence I did do that with one
22:58
Speaker 3: of them. They did temper exclusion with one of them.
23:00
Speaker 3: All right, Joe, Michael, I'm on.
23:02
Speaker 8: The corners pilots by the way, I think that.
23:04
Speaker 3: All right, tonight, see you guys next week. Thank you.
23:10
Speaker 3: All right, Let's turn to this story that we spoke
23:12
Speaker 3: about last night. A five year old girl, Sharon Greneta's
23:17
Speaker 3: she's still missing in Alice Springs tonight with police hunting.
23:20
Speaker 3: Jefferson Lewis, a forty seven year old violent criminal who
23:24
Speaker 3: was fresh out of jail. Now it's alleged that he
23:27
Speaker 3: was seen walking out of the house at the Old
23:29
Speaker 3: Timers camp with the little girl holding her hand, and
23:34
Speaker 3: in a disturbing discovery, police have just this evening said
23:37
Speaker 3: that they found what they say is a pair of
23:40
Speaker 3: children's underwear and a shirt that Lewis was wearing. They
23:44
Speaker 3: say that Lewis has no phone, no bank card, no car,
23:47
Speaker 3: almost no digital footprints. So this has become an old
23:50
Speaker 3: fashioned search through camps and streets and scrubs. Now Leah
23:54
Speaker 3: Mendes has been reporting there he actually visited the house
23:58
Speaker 3: where Sharon went missing. His coming up later in the
24:01
Speaker 3: show unbelievable story. But right now, Liberal Senator just Center
24:05
Speaker 3: nabagm for Price joins Meja Center, thank you very much
24:08
Speaker 3: for your time. How frightening is this for poor Sharon?
24:13
Speaker 10: What's incredibly frightening and very disturbing for family as well.
24:20
Speaker 10: You know, I'm holding holding on to hope that you
24:25
Speaker 10: know that she is still alive, and I'm very grateful
24:31
Speaker 10: for the volunteers, the police, the aoriginal trackers, everyone that's
24:36
Speaker 10: been involved in the search for Sharon, and you know
24:43
Speaker 10: she's part of my extended family. I'm an aunt to
24:47
Speaker 10: her and I'm so sorry. Yeah, And I just know
24:53
Speaker 10: that family are absolutely beside themselves. But one thing, I
24:58
Speaker 10: have been assisting police where I can can when information
25:01
Speaker 10: is being brought to me, and I think it's really
25:04
Speaker 10: important that people understand that her life is much more important.
25:11
Speaker 10: I know there is sometimes there are those who will
25:16
Speaker 10: support a family member even if they've done the wrong thing.
25:20
Speaker 10: And there is concern that there are people that do
25:22
Speaker 10: know the whereabouts of Jefferson Lewis, and I imagine there
25:28
Speaker 10: has to be given the amount of time that's gone by,
25:31
Speaker 10: there has to be you know, someone like that can't
25:33
Speaker 10: just disappear into thin air, and finding him, I believe,
25:39
Speaker 10: is the clue to being able to find Sharon. And
25:41
Speaker 10: I would urge people to come forward. You know they'll
25:45
Speaker 10: be There is concern amongst some that there'll be some
25:48
Speaker 10: form of payback reprisal. But the most important thing is
25:53
Speaker 10: that Sharon is brought home to family. And if you
25:59
Speaker 10: have any information whatsoever, even there's the tiniest bit of information,
26:02
Speaker 10: you can give that to police. You can dial one
26:05
Speaker 10: three one triple four and provide that information. And do
26:10
Speaker 10: it anonymously so that your name isn't known. But that's
26:13
Speaker 10: really important that people need to know in these circumstances too.
26:19
Speaker 3: Just into this man was a non violent offender fresh
26:21
Speaker 3: out of jail. There seems to be as far as
26:24
Speaker 3: I can see, no parole conditions. Really, I mean, why
26:28
Speaker 3: was he out of jail? Why wasn't he being monitored?
26:32
Speaker 10: Well, these are all questions that will need to be
26:35
Speaker 10: answered going forward. And again, I truly believe our justice
26:39
Speaker 10: system in the Northern Territory. I think there's always room
26:43
Speaker 10: for improvement. The needs and the protection of the vulnerable
26:49
Speaker 10: in our communities should always come first before any perpetrators,
26:55
Speaker 10: and our justice system needs to do absolute needs to
26:59
Speaker 10: do much better to ensure that you know, there's these
27:03
Speaker 10: circumstances are now before us, but that they don't happen
27:07
Speaker 10: again going forward, and that are vulnerable are ultimately protected.
27:13
Speaker 10: And we also as community members and as family members,
27:18
Speaker 10: you know, I talk about the issue of violence in
27:21
Speaker 10: our communities and I've always urged for better protection and
27:25
Speaker 10: better support for a vulnerable and for those who have
27:28
Speaker 10: been victimized instead of you know, in some cases there's
27:34
Speaker 10: often support for perpetrators. We can't continue with that sort
27:38
Speaker 10: of behavior going forward.
27:41
Speaker 3: I spoke to Liam a bit earlier. He's going to
27:43
Speaker 3: be on the show later, but I spoke to him
27:45
Speaker 3: on the phone yesterday and today about this story because
27:48
Speaker 3: he's reporting on it. And he said to me, Sharry,
27:50
Speaker 3: this isn't like a little girl being taken from her bed,
27:54
Speaker 3: you know, he said, you haven't. I've never been to
27:56
Speaker 3: a town cap and he was telling me about it.
27:59
Speaker 3: He's been there, and he said, it's kind of open,
28:01
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people coming and going. Health conditions
28:05
Speaker 3: aren't great often, you know. Is this part of the
28:10
Speaker 3: bigger picture of what needs to be addressed as well?
28:13
Speaker 10: Absolutely, we need to have a conversation about town camps
28:20
Speaker 10: and what kind of you know, life they provide for
28:24
Speaker 10: people who live in them, but particularly so for children.
28:28
Speaker 10: They absolute hellholes. I mean, I have lost so many
28:31
Speaker 10: family members in town camps. The town camp that is
28:35
Speaker 10: currently under the spotlight is a town camp where my
28:39
Speaker 10: niece was stabbed to death by her ex partner. You know,
28:44
Speaker 10: There's been plenty of lives lost in.
28:46
Speaker 3: That town camp.
28:47
Speaker 10: But there are so many town camps where I have
28:50
Speaker 10: lost my family because of alcohol related violence and issues.
28:55
Speaker 10: And you know there is Tongueanjerra Council is responsible for
29:00
Speaker 10: the upkeep of these town camps and I see, you know,
29:05
Speaker 10: as a local, you have to ask the question, what
29:09
Speaker 10: are they doing considering the funding they receive in terms
29:12
Speaker 10: of the upkeep of these town camps when they are
29:16
Speaker 10: in the state that they are in. I mean, Shari,
29:19
Speaker 10: you know, I wouldn't let my own children stay in
29:22
Speaker 10: a town camp. No, a regular Australian would want their
29:25
Speaker 10: child staying in a town camp. And yet we've still
29:28
Speaker 10: got them in and around Ella Springs. And this goes
29:31
Speaker 10: to a broader conversation about what you know, we should
29:36
Speaker 10: be doing about these circumstances, these places that they're supposed.
29:41
Speaker 3: To be free of alcohol, but we know that they're
29:43
Speaker 3: not free of alcohol. We know that there are those
29:46
Speaker 3: who have argued for alcohol to be in town camps.
29:50
Speaker 10: Well, you know, it's an absolute The combination of alcohol,
29:56
Speaker 10: the itinerant sort of behavior movement, those that you know
30:01
Speaker 10: with convictions coming in and out of these places are
30:04
Speaker 10: a recipe for absolute disaster. And we need to start
30:07
Speaker 10: having serious conversations about this now.
30:11
Speaker 3: This should be a bigger story shouldn't it. If it
30:13
Speaker 3: was any other five year old girl in any other
30:15
Speaker 3: part of Australia, it would be a bigger.
30:17
Speaker 10: Story, absolutely, you know, it would be plastered all over
30:23
Speaker 10: the country. And I feel like in many ways there
30:26
Speaker 10: is a desensitization because it's you know, it involves a
30:32
Speaker 10: young Indigenous girl, and when it comes to Indigenous issues,
30:38
Speaker 10: when perpetrators are Indigenous, there is there is a reluctance
30:42
Speaker 10: to go hard on a particular issue. But she's she's
30:48
Speaker 10: you know, she's our little girl, She's an Aussie and
30:51
Speaker 10: and she needs to come home.
30:53
Speaker 3: Family's she's my niece. You know, that's the bottom line.
30:58
Speaker 10: And I know so much of the commune you are
31:00
Speaker 10: feeling and reeling right now, right across the Northern Territory,
31:03
Speaker 10: they're feeling this, I know. You know mothers that are
31:06
Speaker 10: completely unrelated that are just themselves breaking down tears because
31:11
Speaker 10: they feel helpless to do anything in this situation.
31:13
Speaker 3: I'm so sad about this story. I'm so sorry for
31:16
Speaker 3: you and for Sharon's family. Just sent and we'll keep
31:19
Speaker 3: covering it until we hopefully find her. Thank you so much.
31:26
Speaker 3: Right and as I said, we will cross to Liam
31:28
Speaker 3: who is at her house. He's at the place where
31:31
Speaker 3: the police are searching right now. Still to come though,
31:34
Speaker 3: the Commonwealth Bank issues are warning about labors, negative gearing
31:37
Speaker 3: and capital gains tax changes. Former Treasury Assistant Secretary David
31:41
Speaker 3: Pearl will join me next. Families are now staring down
31:48
Speaker 3: the real prospect of another rate rise in May, with
31:51
Speaker 3: CPI jumping to four point six percent in the year
31:54
Speaker 3: to March, electricity out more than twenty five percent. Treasurer
31:59
Speaker 3: Jim Chalmers spoke about this today. He did admit that
32:01
Speaker 3: inflation was high before the Iran war.
32:06
Speaker 7: We already had an inflation challenge in our economy. We
32:09
Speaker 7: know that before the conflict. But the tick up in
32:13
Speaker 7: the monthly headline data today was driven by the conflict
32:17
Speaker 7: and this war could drive inflation up even higher before
32:22
Speaker 7: it comes back down again.
32:24
Speaker 3: And former Treasury Assistant Secretary David Pearl joins me now, David,
32:28
Speaker 3: thanks so much for your time. We got David. There.
32:31
Speaker 3: We are, with inflation this high and the Iran war
32:35
Speaker 3: continuing longer. What needs to be done in the budget.
32:42
Speaker 1: The budget needs to take demand out of the economy
32:46
Speaker 1: to obviate the need for further very risky interest rate
32:50
Speaker 1: hikes from the RBA board. That's not what Jim Chalmers
32:54
Speaker 1: is talking about his briefing journalists on rats and mice, proactivity,
32:59
Speaker 1: resilient and capital gains changes. He has never said once
33:04
Speaker 1: that he will reduce overall spending growth in the budget
33:08
Speaker 1: to take demand out of the economy and therefore spare
33:12
Speaker 1: Australians further potentially recessionary interest rate increases.
33:17
Speaker 3: We heard that bizarre line from the Prime Minister that
33:20
Speaker 3: already he has made hundreds of millions of dollars in savings.
33:24
Speaker 3: Is that true.
33:29
Speaker 1: Well, let's see what the budget shows in a couple
33:31
Speaker 1: of weeks time. But you can judge the government on
33:34
Speaker 1: its track record. Real spending growth has increased at a
33:37
Speaker 1: rate of four percent a year eight percent a year
33:40
Speaker 1: in nominal terms, and I don't expect anything different to
33:45
Speaker 1: be apparent in the budget this year. Budgets contain hundreds
33:50
Speaker 1: and hundreds of individual measures, Governments end programs, reprioritize programs.
33:57
Speaker 1: But if the sum result is additional spending, the budget
34:01
Speaker 1: is expansionary and inflationary.
34:06
Speaker 3: Turning to some of the changes that we are expecting
34:08
Speaker 3: in the budget around negative gearing and capital gains, tax
34:12
Speaker 3: I mean, the Commonwealth Bank has come out and said
34:14
Speaker 3: that these changes now now appear locked in, and Albanezi
34:18
Speaker 3: today said that they were about social cohesion. Have a
34:22
Speaker 3: look at this.
34:23
Speaker 4: But also resilience is about social cohesion and giving people
34:29
Speaker 4: that sense of ownership over the economy, making sure that
34:33
Speaker 4: the economy works for them, not people working for an economy.
34:38
Speaker 4: And that's why equity is very important.
34:40
Speaker 9: Thanks very much, h David.
34:43
Speaker 3: I thought that was very odd. I mean, how can
34:45
Speaker 3: you claim that cutting back increasing taxes, which is what
34:48
Speaker 3: it really is, is about social cohesion.
34:53
Speaker 1: Well it's even worse than that, Shari, because Jim Charmers
34:57
Speaker 1: at the time of the August round TA last year
35:01
Speaker 1: started talking about intergenerational fairness. Now what that meant was
35:07
Speaker 1: pitting younger Australians against older Australians and scapegoating the ladder
35:12
Speaker 1: for the housing crisis that's hurting the former. So this
35:16
Speaker 1: government is fueling social division under the false flag of
35:21
Speaker 1: intergenerational fairness, pitting Australian against Australian. Raising taxes will hurt
35:27
Speaker 1: those who have saved, but it will hurt young people
35:31
Speaker 1: who want to build up their wealth and climb the
35:33
Speaker 1: ladder of opportunity over time. You should look at tax
35:36
Speaker 1: from a lifetime perspective, not from a point in time perspective.
35:40
Speaker 1: And young people are going to be hurt if they
35:42
Speaker 1: cannot accumulate wealth the way that other people have in
35:45
Speaker 1: the past.
35:47
Speaker 3: Just finally, do you think we are now looking at
35:50
Speaker 3: a certain rate rise next month?
35:54
Speaker 1: We have to have a rate rise because Michelle Bullock
35:57
Speaker 1: and her board dropped the ball on inflation last year.
36:00
Speaker 1: If inflation was within target now Shari, they could afford
36:04
Speaker 1: to sit out these early stages of the oil crisis
36:08
Speaker 1: and see what happens to the economy. They don't have
36:10
Speaker 1: that luxury because inflationary expectations are unanchored. Wage and price
36:15
Speaker 1: setting reflects expectations of four five six percent annual inflation.
36:21
Speaker 1: That's why Michelle and Aboard have to act next week,
36:25
Speaker 1: even though in the midst of an oil crisis. It's
36:28
Speaker 1: highly risky with consumer and business confidence collapsing.
36:33
Speaker 3: All right, David Pearl, thank you so much, really appreciate it.
36:37
Speaker 3: Coming up, former FBI chief James Comey indicted over a
36:40
Speaker 3: social media post prosecutor say was a threat to Trump's life.
36:45
Speaker 3: And Liam Mendes goes inside the House where a five
36:48
Speaker 3: year old girl went missing. That's after the break welcome back. Well,
36:55
Speaker 3: let's cross live to the other springs now and joining
36:58
Speaker 3: me is the Australians reportedly and Mendes who today went
37:01
Speaker 3: to the town camp where Sharon Grenetas live. Now, Liam,
37:04
Speaker 3: first tell us where you are now and what police
37:07
Speaker 3: are doing Charry.
37:09
Speaker 9: Right now, I am here in Alice Springs, very close
37:12
Speaker 9: to where Sharon went missing on Saturday and night. Now,
37:17
Speaker 9: as you can see behind me, we've got police who
37:20
Speaker 9: are using drones now to search for her. You can
37:24
Speaker 9: see one is going up right now. The amazing part
37:28
Speaker 9: of this police operation is that you know, only just
37:31
Speaker 9: a couple of years ago, these search and rescue operations
37:34
Speaker 9: would be over when the sun goes down, but now
37:39
Speaker 9: things have completely changed. This is a twenty four hour
37:42
Speaker 9: a day search for Sharon. As you can see that
37:47
Speaker 9: the drones are going up and down search. You know,
37:51
Speaker 9: they've got an incredible technology that they're able to see
37:57
Speaker 9: certain figures at night and that makes the search even
38:02
Speaker 9: more detailed than it just shows the resources that authorities
38:05
Speaker 9: are putting into this.
38:07
Speaker 3: Yeah, amazing night detection and potentially I suppose heat as well. Liam,
38:12
Speaker 3: you went to Sharon's home today. Can you tell us
38:15
Speaker 3: about it? And while you talk about it, we're going
38:17
Speaker 3: to show some photographs that you took of her home
38:21
Speaker 3: up on the screen.
38:23
Speaker 9: Yeah, and these are photographs that Sharon's family, her grandfather,
38:31
Speaker 9: especially Robin. He wanted us to see the state of
38:37
Speaker 9: the town camps right across not just Alice Springs, but
38:40
Speaker 9: I've also seen a lot of these other town camps
38:43
Speaker 9: right across the Northern territory. And these are heartbreaking conditions
38:48
Speaker 9: that young children as young as Sharon are living in.
38:53
Speaker 9: Daily they grow up and they live in these conditions.
38:57
Speaker 9: It's truly truly heartbreaking scene that young children are living
39:02
Speaker 9: in conditions like this. And you know, we're probably going
39:05
Speaker 9: to get some criticism, criticism for talking about this at
39:09
Speaker 9: this time whilst the search is going on, but there
39:12
Speaker 9: is a huge amount of coverage on the search and
39:15
Speaker 9: we feel it incredibly important, including her own family, feel
39:20
Speaker 9: it incredibly important to see the living conditions that Sharon
39:24
Speaker 9: was in. You know, that house didn't actually have any
39:28
Speaker 9: beds inside for her. There was one mattress that was
39:35
Speaker 9: pinned up against the wall. That was the one that
39:37
Speaker 9: she had been living in. Sorry, sleeping in when she
39:40
Speaker 9: went missing on Saturday.
39:43
Speaker 3: So can you tell us a bit about the movements
39:45
Speaker 3: on Saturday? From what the family and police have said.
39:50
Speaker 9: There has been quite a bit of difficulty. Sources have
39:55
Speaker 9: been telling me that police have had in getting a
39:59
Speaker 9: proper under standing of the time frame or that Sharon
40:04
Speaker 9: was last seen. That Sharon was last seen with the Jefferson.
40:12
Speaker 3: The violent criminals who that's right, that Jefferson.
40:15
Speaker 9: Lewis is alleged to have taken her. So yeah, there's
40:23
Speaker 9: they're still trying to work through those timelines and get
40:26
Speaker 9: a proper understanding of when she was last seen and
40:29
Speaker 9: when she was taken.
40:31
Speaker 3: The story you sent me that you've written for The
40:33
Speaker 3: Australian Tomorrow says there was some kind of party at
40:37
Speaker 3: her town cap and that this violent offender may have
40:41
Speaker 3: been there. Is that right?
40:44
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. I mean, look, parties at town camps
40:46
Speaker 9: aren't really something that that that you know that they're
40:50
Speaker 9: not irregular. It's something that happens a lot. And he
40:56
Speaker 9: was spoken to by police at quarter to seven on Saturday.
41:00
Speaker 9: Now that was for something completely different. Her mental health
41:04
Speaker 9: related call had been made by someone at the town
41:07
Speaker 9: camp and police spoke to him at that time, but
41:11
Speaker 9: they didn't identify him. They didn't identify any wrongdoing, but
41:16
Speaker 9: any wrongdoing by anyone at the camp. And it was
41:19
Speaker 9: quite what I'm told, a very routine called out to
41:23
Speaker 9: town camp to him.
41:24
Speaker 3: So there was a party happening at the house. You
41:27
Speaker 3: write in your story that she was put to bed
41:29
Speaker 3: before eleven pm. And then I think we've heard from
41:34
Speaker 3: police that her family reported her missing at one thirty am.
41:37
Speaker 3: Is that right?
41:38
Speaker 9: So they know that she was put to bed before
41:43
Speaker 9: eleven pm, but they don't know what time that that was.
41:48
Speaker 9: The police were at the town camp and this is
41:50
Speaker 9: a small town camp compared to some of the other ones.
41:54
Speaker 9: It's got nine houses there. And then at one thirty
41:59
Speaker 9: five am is when police were called on Sunday morning.
42:05
Speaker 3: All right, Liam, incredible reporting. Thank you so much for
42:08
Speaker 3: bringing us the news, and we'll check in with you
42:11
Speaker 3: in the days ahead. Still to come, James Comey indicted
42:15
Speaker 3: over an Instagram post that could be read as a
42:17
Speaker 3: threat against Trump's life, and King Charles puts Orcus send
42:21
Speaker 3: a stage at the Trump State dinner. Koshagada joins me
42:25
Speaker 3: after the break. Welcome back, well, King Charles, has managed
42:31
Speaker 3: to do something pretty rare in Washington, get both sides
42:34
Speaker 3: of Congress laughing. In his address, he joked about George
42:38
Speaker 3: Washington and King George, the third joke that American Independence
42:41
Speaker 3: was just the other day, and even had a crack
42:44
Speaker 3: at Trump's digs at NATO.
42:47
Speaker 11: Indeed, you recently commented, mister President, that if it were
42:50
Speaker 11: not for the United States, European countries would be speaking German.
42:55
Speaker 11: Dare I say that if it wasn't for us, you'd
42:57
Speaker 11: be speaking French.
43:03
Speaker 3: And at the events they've had. Trump also cracked his
43:06
Speaker 3: own couple of gags.
43:09
Speaker 5: I also remember saying very clearly, Charles, look, young Charles,
43:17
Speaker 5: he's so cute my mother.
43:22
Speaker 3: My mother had a crush on Charles. Can you believe it?
43:27
Speaker 4: Amazing?
43:28
Speaker 5: How I wonder what she's thinking right now.
43:32
Speaker 3: Joining manow is Sky News contributor Koshagada Kosha. Great to
43:36
Speaker 3: see you. Look, Charles is a natural diplomat, and he
43:39
Speaker 3: did really well. I think this was one of his
43:43
Speaker 3: strongest performances on the world stage.
43:47
Speaker 12: Yes, you know, his tone was warm and reflective, and
43:50
Speaker 12: he had the humor, all the pomp and circumstance that
43:54
Speaker 12: just goes with the institution and these two figures meeting.
43:58
Speaker 12: I think the last time that the monarch was hosted
44:01
Speaker 12: by the US was back in two thousand and seven
44:03
Speaker 12: under George W. Bush, So this was a long time
44:05
Speaker 12: coming and he did do very well.
44:08
Speaker 3: It was important.
44:08
Speaker 12: There's been some tensions, I would say, between the special
44:11
Speaker 12: relationship of late between the US and the UK, and
44:14
Speaker 12: so he was obviously sort of sent with that as
44:16
Speaker 12: a backdrop to zoom out and remind everybody of the
44:20
Speaker 12: genesis and the history behind the special relationship and try
44:23
Speaker 12: to zoom out and sort of take a broader look
44:26
Speaker 12: at that as opposed to just the moment that we're
44:27
Speaker 12: in right now with all the tensions that were in
44:29
Speaker 12: the midst.
44:30
Speaker 3: Of we were looking at the pictures on screen now,
44:32
Speaker 3: Milani is pale pink. One shoulder dress was spectacular. I
44:36
Speaker 3: have no idea who the designer is, but it was
44:39
Speaker 3: very beautiful. They must color coordinate the stylists between the
44:42
Speaker 3: two because they were in different shades of pink.
44:46
Speaker 12: Yes, I think it was Christian Dior if I'm not mistaken.
44:48
Speaker 12: And they do. They say there's this whole genre of
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Speaker 12: fashion diplomacy where the first Ladies and other figureheads you know,
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Speaker 12: who join these official delegations don't do anything by accident.
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Speaker 12: So I'm sure that the stylists were talking behind the scenes,
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Speaker 12: and there is a little bit of strategy that goes
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Speaker 12: into what they wear because they know they're going to
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Speaker 12: be photographed and discussed for a long time.
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Speaker 3: I haven't had time to watch TV for the past
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Speaker 3: few weeks because I'm writing my book the end of
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Speaker 3: the book so heavily. But a few weeks ago I
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Speaker 3: started watching the Milania documentary and it was so interesting
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Speaker 3: the amount of time she puts into the outfits she wears,
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Speaker 3: and how carefully they're measured, and she's really very involved
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Speaker 3: in it, and it has to be precise and lit
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Speaker 3: lapel a certain size, quite extraordinary, so kosher. Later at
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Speaker 3: the White House state dinner, Australia ended up being mentioned Trump.
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Speaker 3: Charles gave Trump the original bell from HMS Trump of
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Speaker 3: World War Two era British submarine. Have a look at this.
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Speaker 11: We are building f thirty fives together and we have
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Speaker 11: agreed the most ambitious submarine program in history orcus and
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Speaker 11: we are doing it in partnership with Australia, a country
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Speaker 11: which I'm also immensely proud to serve as sovereign.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is pretty significant and great that Charles
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Speaker 3: put Orcus and Australia center stage.
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Speaker 12: Australian in many ways stole the show, and certainly in
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Speaker 12: that moment of the speech and with aucust being center stage.
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Speaker 12: And it was interesting that the name of that submarine
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Speaker 12: being Trump. I actually didn't know this. Obviously, it's from
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Speaker 12: World War two era, as you say, so it was
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Speaker 12: a coincidence. A lot of the submarines from that fleet
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Speaker 12: were named after the letter T in short words, and
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Speaker 12: Trump just happened to be one. And then it sort
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Speaker 12: of ties back to Aucus in Australia's important role in
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Speaker 12: that alliance. So I think it was a great moment.
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Speaker 12: And Anthony Pratt was present there as well, so certainly
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Speaker 12: Australia I think, got a presence and punched above its weight,
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Speaker 12: if you will. Between this dinner and this event that
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Speaker 12: was hosted between these two countries.
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Speaker 3: We have to see if Anthony Pratt met the King,
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Speaker 3: might ask after the show. The Justice Department has now
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Speaker 3: secured a fresh indictment against former FBI director James Comey,
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Speaker 3: this time over an Instagram post that he deleted tell
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Speaker 3: us about this post and the significance of it kosher.
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Speaker 12: So this was a post that he put on Instagram
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Speaker 12: a while back, eighty six forty seven seashells on the
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Speaker 12: beach that were in that formation, and he just sort
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Speaker 12: of like tweeted it, and at the time there was
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Speaker 12: an outrage and fear on Twitter, where eighty six sort
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Speaker 12: of means take out or get rid of, that's sort
47:26
Speaker 12: of a colloquial term, and forty seven of course meaning
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Speaker 12: President Trump, the forty seven president. So it didn't land
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Speaker 12: very well, and people said for a former FBI agent,
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Speaker 12: that was in poor taste to say the least. What's
47:37
Speaker 12: interesting now that it's led to an actual indictment. A
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Speaker 12: grand jury found that is cause under two statutes in
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Speaker 12: the US Code as being threatening to the president and
47:47
Speaker 12: doing something across state interstate threat. Basically, there's two statutes
47:51
Speaker 12: that they're finding him in the Eastern District of North Carolina.
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Speaker 12: Long way to go before that actually translates into some
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Speaker 12: sort of conviction. I doubt personally that it will, And
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Speaker 12: many supporters say that all of this is a sideshow
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Speaker 12: where there actually is a lot around the whole Russia
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Speaker 12: Gate collusion holds and he did play a role in that,
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Speaker 12: and there's much more around the accountability for that that
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Speaker 12: really needs to happen, not these sort of instagram polls.
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Speaker 12: But I think the administration is just trying to take
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Speaker 12: what it can get and find sort of any statute
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Speaker 12: that maybe they could use to secure an indictment.
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Speaker 3: And so here we are a bit of revenge justice
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Speaker 3: after the faciity of Trump under the Democrats, perhaps Koshagada.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me. Appreciate it, and
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Speaker 3: we'll see you tomorrow at eight. It's going to be
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Speaker 3: a massive show with the first report from the Royal
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Speaker 3: Commission right now, Paul Murray