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How We Made "Troyal Of The Century" (with Jayden Libran & Andrew Kepple) · Four Finger Discount (Simpsons Podcast)

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and I hope you're all having an even better holiday season. This week,
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I am joined by the two talented gentlemen behind the incredible new Simpson short
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Detroil of the Century, Troy McClure versus the Springfield Aquarium. I'm of course
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talking about animator Andrew Cappele and the one and only Jayden Lebron. We delve
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into the creative process behind the shot and pitching his Homer voice to Homer himself,
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Dan Castelnetta recently, the current state of The Simpsons and where the show
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could evolve to in the future, and so much more. It was a
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really fun conversation there are links for this short in the description of this podcast,
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so be sure to check it out and subscribe to Andrew's channel. But
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for now, enough talking. Thanks for listening. I do appreciate your support
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and I hope you enjoy my conversation with Andrew Keppel and Jade Lebron. Happy
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holidays. Well finally here, gentlemen, how are we all doing. You've
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just got off your busy phone call. IM assuming that was Mac Groenning saying
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you're hi, Jade School wanting me to do a little presentation for them,
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But yeah, thank you for having us under such short notice here. No,
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why wouldn't I have this exciting video that You've been teasing it on social
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media for a while now, But let's promote it so it's finally happening.
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I think by the time people listen to this has probably been out, but
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it hasn't come out yet. I haven't seen it. So let's tell at
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least me all about it. What is this very important video? You guys
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coming at me working on the siloon? So this is the brainchild of an
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idea that I had for a while. I always felt that we had never
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got a proper sindoff for Phil Harton's characters on The Simpsons, Troy McClure and
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Lionel Huts, and you know, those characters after his untimely passing, sort
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of just disappeared from the series. And not only did I think that we
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didn't receive a final sendoff of them, but I thought it's very interesting how
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the student never interacted. There's such bold, very out there personalities. All
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the other cast members have characters that interact. Patty and Salmon, Marge,
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Burns and Smithers, Homer and Grandpa, but we never got a scene with
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Lionel Huts and Troy McClure. So I pitched this idea to Andrew here of
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what if Troy McClure was in court for something he did fish related, say
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maybe at the aquarium, and we'd throw in a bunch of fish related jokes
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and Lionel Huts would be his unwitting defense attorney here. And that's what we
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went with. Andrew conjured up a script practically overnight and through in all sorts
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of characters and gangs, and over the span of a year and a half
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had me recording different voices and noises and sound effects and grunts and growls and
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crowds and screams and stuff, and I haven't seen it yet as of now,
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but it's all finally coming together. Yeah. Yeah, I've seen bits
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and pieces of it. Yeah. I've been seending Jaden a few completed scenes
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every now and then, just to sort of, yeah, reassure him that
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I am actually Yeah, it's taken a lot longer than I thought it would,
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but yeah, I can imagine. Yeah, they just want to be
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surprised Jaden, like everybody else when you watch it, do you want to
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watch for the first time with everybody else or is it just it's actually finished?
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Right, I'm assuming that actually is finished. There's still a little bit
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of audio editing to go and just sort of tidying up a few inches here
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and there. But you take another day or so. I'm looking to watch
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in surprise with everyone else. Well, I can send you a little preview
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if you want. Yeah, yeah, I'd love to do that. So
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where will it be available? So it's already out there now, probably when
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by the Times is out there? So where can people watch this video?
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YouTube? New grounds and probably Facebook. YouTube and new grounds are the two
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places I usually go to. Okay, all links in the description of this
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is a particular channel we should be looking for, or she would just be
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looking for the Springfield Acquarium Investors Trod mcclaur is that the thing we should be
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searching for. Let me just find the name of my channel. I can
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never remember. It's the Albino Sheep, right, Albino Black Sheep. That's
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another channel that I usually give videos to look up, Albano Black Schep's youtu
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channel. We'll find it on there. But it's a holiday season right now.
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What do you guys got planned for the holidays? Anything special? Just
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causing with my girlfriend watching a crap channel Simpson stuff. We did that last
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time she was here for Thanksgiving, Simpson's Holiday specials and things like that,
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so a continuation of that amongst other Christmas movies. We're in California, so
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it's warm, very much like Australia is right now. It's about seventy five
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degrees out, so it's not gonna be a whole lot of basking in the
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snow or anything like that, but you know, some walks in the park,
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things like that, gift exchange, relaxation and stuff. It's pretty much
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a simple holiday for us. What are the non citizens related to Christmas specials.
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You watch Massuming at Christmas Cattles up on top of the list, right,
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yeah, I watch. We watched Muppet Christmas Carol. There's a Muppet
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Family Christmas thing that we plan on watching where Fozzy and the gang go to
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Fozzy's mom's house and they meet the Sesame Street characters and Frago Rock and the
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Muppet Babies. That's on the list. I've watched all the American Dad ones,
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all the Futurama Christmas episodes, and pretty much whatever I can find.
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Really always Sunny in Philadelphia was when I watched recently. Usually I pick a
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specific genre that I want to watch, So one year was Nickelodeon Christmas specials,
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the year after that was Cartoon Network Christmas specials, and this year is
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sort of the adult animation. We're gonna watch the Beavis and butt Head Christmas
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one as well, So pretty much adult animation is what we're going for.
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Well, you have to know that you're working for White Judge, right,
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Yes, yeah, I think it's only fitting that I do. But it's
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amazing how all those videos you put on Facebook have led to such great opportunities.
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You're one of those people where you were just like, I've got the
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talent, the opportunity might not come to me, so I'm just gonna make
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it happen, you know, And I ap palled you for it. Yeah.
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It's really just about, you know, getting in people's face when the
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time is right. And you know, that's sort of how I got my
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sort of golden ticket into the world of television voice acting was by posting religiously
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on Twitter and Facebook, and Mike Scully saw me and brought me on too,
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Duncanville and recently Simpsons writer Michael Price is bringing me on to a little
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project we can't quite talk about yet. But that's been a lot of fun,
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and it's been very gratifying to know that the people who I want to
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see my work are seeing it and are responding to it and have passed along
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my information. And you know, that makes me feel really good about myself.
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Who be my starstruck about working for Oh Geez, I was very starstruck
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getting a response from Mike Judge the first time. That was about three years
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ago. Today I posted a Hank impression on Twitter. It's a lot better
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now than it was then, but he saw that, and so did the
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other cast members that played the Hill family, Pamela Adlin and Kathy and Jimmie
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all liked it on Twitter, and I messaged him saying, yeah, it
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was really surprised that you liked my Hank. Thank you for that. And
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he said, yeah, Hank's a really difficult one to do. And so
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for months we had been back and forth. I said, hey, I'm
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always open, I'm always interested to work with you. How's Beaves and Budead
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coming along? I heard that was something that was announced, and he passed
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my information along to his casting director. And then nearly a year later,
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a few days before Thanksgiving in twenty twenty one, brought me into record and
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I was face to face with Mike Judge on a screen directing me doing his
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Beavis and butt Heead voices, and shortly before I left, I summoned the
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guts to do his characters in front of him, and I said, yeah,
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be sure to smoke your turkey in a nice propane pirate grill. I'll
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tell you what. And that got a good laugh out of him. So
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that that's really exciting. It takes, like you said, it takes serious
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guts, because didn't you also do that in front of Dan eid he's Homer
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or which characters did you do in front of down at the Yeah. So
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yeah, for those who don't know, I did get to meet a Simpsons
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actor, Dan Castelenetta, who's the patriarch Homer Simpson, amongst others. And
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we were striking for the WGA Writers guill of America this summer. Thankfully that's
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the ended there. But yeah, the whole Simpsons crew got together that summer
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in front of the Fox Lot, James L. Brooks, Conan O'Brien,
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Josh Weinstein, uh, Jay Coogan, all sorts of David X. Cohen,
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all sorts of these names from history from the goal heavy and amongst the
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crowd, Yeah, yeah, amongst the crowd was Dan. And I had
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met Matt a few weeks prior at an animation screening at the Dynasty Typewriter Theater
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in Hollywood sponsored by Rock and Pins. They do this flight tra animation thing
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restoration and they screen them and I met I met Matt Groening and saw Billy
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West there for the second time, and Billy had introduced me and meeting Matt
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Groening, I did Homer voice, my Homer voice and showed him the voices
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that I had auditioned for in twenty twenty doctor Hibbert and Carl and others.
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And when I met him again, it was him actually that introduced me to
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Dan Castlenetta. And I introduced myself to Dan as my voice, and then
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I slipped into Homer and said, oh, Dan, I love your voices.
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And he got a good kick out of that. And Matt said,
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I don't even know which one of you guys said that, and I went
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on and said, yeah, I also do Crusty the Cloud, and I
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did Carl and Hibbert and others. Dan's love is his flashing before his eyes.
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I assured him in real time that hey, Dan, I'm not after
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your job. I'm just a real big fan of yours. Look up to
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you, look up to your voices, to your work. And he was
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so moved by that and impressed, I would think by the voices that I
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did for him that He said, Hey, come with me real quick.
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And we walked over to this donut card and he grabs this blank card and
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signs it as Homer and told me to hang on to that protected and I
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did. I held extra tight to that and it got stained with the donut
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stains in sweat and stuff. So I put stickers of his characters. I
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bought a multi pack of Simpson stickers from Amazon and put Krusty Homer, mel
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and ground Skipper Willie on them, you know, let him know that those
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are my characters and that there were previously sweat stains on there. So that
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was really exciting. That was really really exciting. Do you say that as
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a long term potential opportunity to because eventually they're going to have to replace the
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voices eventually. So do you think you've sort of you've planted enough, says
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now, I'm probably talking to the future voice of Homer Simpson. Do you
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think so? Maybe? And sometimes you know, I've I've had really surreal
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dreams where like I'll on the news so and so has announced their retirement,
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and then I get a call in the dream and they're like, hey,
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hey, we need you to come in next week because we got to do
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the show. And it feels more and more realistic every time I have that
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kind of dream. So I like to think that's in the work, that's
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in the works. Last time I talked with Michael Price, he mentioned that
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it's only a matter of time, so never say never. But I've always
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learned never to get complacent and never to get ahead of myself here. So
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if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, then that's okay.
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I'll have other things to work on. But ideally, yes, I would
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love to do the next seven hundred and fifty Simpsons episodes. What we need
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besides the review so you know, Oh yeah, I love your podcast?
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Oh poor finger, disc out? What's he? Top five voices? Do
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you think Simpsons related? Do you think Krusty Homer? You think Smith and
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Smith's is pretty spot on? Right? Oh? Yes, mister Burns,
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Ah, yes, I am doing a pretty good Smither. Yeah, question
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the clown here is pretty good. Boy, Homer took a really long time,
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so i'd have to put him in there. And of course, well
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doctor Julius Hibbert here, that's real fun. What I like to do?
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I know, you go to Bay, you know you gotta be pleasant,
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but that one must sting right, the heap it one, because I'll watch
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it now. I'm like, I'm pretty sure Jayden has a better one than
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this guy. That's been the word. Some people, even within the show
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have said that, hey, we don't know why you didn't get it.
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But you know, at the end of the day, it came down to
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who you know. Kevin Michael Richardson is a terrific performer, and he had
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been working with the show for about a decade at the point, so he
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was already there. It would make no sense why they wouldn't select him for
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one of the recast. But you know, I was a new, up
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and coming voice actor. I was twenty one when I first auditioned. I
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had only done one or two major voice acting things at that point, neither
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of virture really out, so I couldn't really show anybody. But you know,
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it's I'd like to think that at some point I'll yeah, I'll work
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in some capacity as the characters. Very excited for you. Eventually it happened.
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I'm telling you, positive positive mental energy out there. It'll happen.
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Don't worry, it'll happen. Yep, we're all rooting for you. Yeah.
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But let's talk about Andrew. So let's let's talk about the The Springfield
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Quamasus Tron McClure a short film. How long does the film go for?
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Looks like it's going to be seven minutes long. Seven minutes long? Okay,
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So it's designed to give as Jame was saying, Phil Hartman's characters to
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send off they deserved. Is it just Hudson Mclaw or are you going to
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be incorporating more Hartman characters in? There's like sort of side gags or whatever.
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What are the characters there? No, I think there's just mainly those
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two. Just those two. Yeah, No, no Lanley or anything like
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that, rocking up from north havenb whatever. No, Unfortunately he's been laid
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to rest. Yeah, we did have a little a little nut in the
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last one, all the Phil Hartman characters standing together. Right, there's a
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pan of all the characters. You got the guy from Australia, you have
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Lyle Lanley in the crowd, and a bunch of others that he did.
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So that was sort of a nod. Cool. So what's led you guys
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to want to do this? How did it all come together? So,
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Jaden, you said, you come up with the idea and you pitch it
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to Andrew. Is that how it all came together? Yeah, it was
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just a throwaway idea that I had. Andrew came back probably a day or
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two later with a full script and I thought it was funny as hell.
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The last one was really funny, and I got to working immediately. I
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think I recorded the main two characters, Troy and Lionel first, and then
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over the course of say a year or so, there would be more things
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add it. And it wasn't too long that he was already animating the thing
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once he got my initial recordings, but he would throw in more characters and
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more gags and say, Okay, we need the crowd to do this,
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And you know, I made a list of characters I wanted to do for
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the crowds and it's all coming together now. So now we've got the final
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mix coming out, and it's going to be out the day the day of
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the Christmas pilot episode Premiared. So yeah, yeah, December seventeenth for us.
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Yeah, Before we did this video, we'd made another short that was
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who Really Shot Mister Burns, which was kind of a fanfic reinvented ending to
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it, and that one I managed to smash out in just a few weeks.
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But with this new video, I've decided I was going to put the
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amount of detail into the animation that I normally do when I'm at work,
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and so that was quite a lot of a lot of detail for a lot
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of characters, so it's taken a while. How many hours did you put
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in Andrew for this one so far? Oh, I couldn't tell you.
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It's just you know, I just animate whenever I could, and sometimes I
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couldn't. For like, you know, I was moving house and I didn't
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animate anything for like a couple of weeks or Yeah. What's what's Jayden like
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as a boss? Is he just like where No, where's the episode?
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What's happening? No, he's not like a boss like, if anything,
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he's more like the marketing guy. Like I'm so grateful that there's someone who
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can just post on Instagram, you know, every time there's a little bit
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of something to show, people just always get people other people excited for it
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as well. And my daughter has just entered the room. One second,
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chair, My daughter just entered the room. I'll just get my wife to
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remove her. Little Maggie, Maggie continue, Jane. Sorry, I was
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just talking as Homer. Your daughter came in. I was like, a
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little Maggie, Well, yes, she's adorable, she's lovely, but you
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know, she's just turned three and she just decided. I know you're asking
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me to do things like just stay out of the room for a bit while
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I talk to these fine gentlemen, but I'd rather not. That's weird.
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Yes, but I'm assuming all the hour has been putting in with this,
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Andrew that you don't have children, no niss sometimes, but I haven't listened
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them in a while because I've been too busy animating. But yeah, they're
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one and three at the moment. Would you say this is your biggest non
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work project that you've ever done. It's definitely the one that's taken the longest.
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Like, usually if something would take me a year, I'd be a
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worried as to whether I'd be able to finish it or not. But this
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one, I just stuck with it. I think. Yeah, Like,
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I've made animations that are longer than this one in terms of running time,
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but they didn't take more than a year to make. So it's funny because
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I know what it's like being a perfectionist. Like when I'm editing the podcast,
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I'm constantly editing out little pauses and things like that. I can just
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imagine. You said you're putting in lots of detail with this one. Do
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you think even once it's out, you're silly seeing and going, oh,
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should have done that, probably probably, but I'll have moved on to something
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else. I can get into the detail with it anyway. So how many
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contributions have you made to it, Jayden? Because I know you said that
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Andrew wrote it, but obviously it would have been a collaboration, right,
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Yeah. We were both bouncing ideas off each other for a while until we
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came up with a good list of gags and characters that Jayden wants to do.
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So yeah, there's there was one joke that I had in mind that
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I totally think the Simpsons Raiders would have come up with, and it's Linel
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hearts. He's starting to try mclar and he says, don't worry, joy
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baby, I've got this case all locked up. Literally, all my notes
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are inside. You would happen to have savedy Ben, would you? And
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uh? That landed in the script and we added that right away. There
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were miscellaneous noises and stuff that that would make as the crowd that ended up
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making it, which I'm very proud of. So many great voices that were
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just background mumbles that will run together and you can't really tell what they're saying,
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but individually there were some great lines in there. Some of the best
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thingses gags are just the murmurs in the crowd, like the taxes. The
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finger thing means the taxes. I gotta kill Homer, So basically set me
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up with the premise. So he's being sued by the aquarium for slipping with
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the fishes. Is that basically what the premise is here? So there's a
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huge misunderstanding. He was caught in a case of indecent exposure at the aquarium.
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Uh, he was. He fell into a fish tank of dolphin tank,
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and his clothes had been ripped off, and that became exposure. Yeah,
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a piranha tank. Excuse me, Yeah, much different than a dolphin.
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What is going on here? There's a dolphin in it. I mean,
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I haven't seen the thing in a while. I can't quite remember,
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but we do have a dolphin in it. But his clothes get ripped off
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and he's in the buff. He's nude, He's completely naked, and that
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becomes a case of a decent exposure for him. People think that this confirms
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the long standing rumors about him. He was viewed by the mob during this
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instance, and they've always had rumors on him, They've always had dirt on
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him. So now this is the career sinking moment for for Troy McClure,
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and it's up to Lionel Huts to make the case that protects him. So
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essentially kind of like I know, it hasn't got somewhere in it that that
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b plot. Is it kind of like a part two to a fish court
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Selma. Yeah, yeah, it does happen after that, because we do
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refer back to that episode as well. Do we get a doctor zayas a
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plenty of the apes reference at all? Please tell me what we do?
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We do have a reference to that. Yeah, there's references to all sorts
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of funny moments with Tru Mclair and Lionel Hunts that. Honestly, I'm surprised
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we were able to get all of them in these things, even just visual
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gags. If you notice the tie that Lionel Squear is doing, this is
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a callback. So that's a fun thing. And we've got yes, I'm
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wearing a tie. Let me tell you, Dan do baby a beautiful tie?
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Yeah, he's got his tie in this one. It's really great the
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details in this, the small jokes. It basically a real nod to the
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fans. There's a really, really hilarious joke that Andrew threw in and that
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had me rolling the first time I read it. Where Judge Schneider in the
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early seasons, they would always get incorrect with the coloring. Yes, yellow,
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yeah right, it goes back from yellow to brown to some weird mix.
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But in this we decided like we would poke fun at that. And
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Andrew came up with this idea that he would start off yellow and then with
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every single shot that he's in, he progressively gets browner to the point that
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he's at his current shade of brown like banana. When you watch it,
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right, he's like a moly banana. When you watch it, you'll see
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he starts off like Simpson's yellow and then he's black. So, yeah,
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that's a fun little gag that we got. I'm glad you said Snyder.
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I was going to say, please tell me you Judge Snyder and not the
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Judge duty takeoff. Oh no, Constance harm Yeah no, I can't do
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that, boys, but I'm doing my Judge Snyder here. The clown is
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down. That's a fun voice. Hey, if they haven't cast him yet,
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No, no, that's true. How many non non heart mean characters
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in this is it like the whole Springfield town watching the court case. The
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whole town is here. Yeah, Homer, Marge, Lenny, Carl,
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Mister Burns, Smithers, Sea Captain, Chief Wiggum, Krusty the Mafia,
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Snorky hlue haired lawyer. That was a fun one I got to do.
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That was a new one for me doing the bluehead lawyer here. I uh,
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there was a when I saw him animated, it just completely threw me
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off because he's got all of the features of the characters are hyper exaggerated and
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stylized, and Andrew gives him a huge nose and his posture is really wonky.
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So when he moves, his nose kind of jiggles and he talks like
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this the whole time. Oh really, wow, mister Simpson. And you
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know, you see he moves very fluidly like everything is completely like not what
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Matt Groening would sign off on if he was viewing the animation process, but
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I think that it kind of adds to it. Yeah. I was having
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a lot of fun with his big exaggerated, like sarcastic movements when he's sort
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of mocking his parents. For me, the blue Head Lawyer is one of
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those characters who as a kid, I did not appreciate anywhere near enough.
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But now look back at what people call the Golden Near I'm just like,
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man, what a great character. And he doesn't even have a name.
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It's yeah, it's crazy, isn't it. Yeah? It's like, did
24:06
they realize how great the character was? Surely? Yeah, But what do
24:08
you think has been your favorite part of this whole process? Or start with
24:11
you, Andrew, what's been the most enjoyable part of it for you?
24:15
Sort Of throwing together the script was kind of fun. Note sort of kind
24:18
of liked taking all these jokes we've been sort of and memes we've been bouncing
24:21
around for a couple of days and then just trying to put them all into
24:23
a script, which then had to undergo a few edits over the next few
24:27
weeks as I was adapting it to animation and then sort of realizing, oh,
24:32
this scene isn't really going to link up to this one without something else,
24:36
you know, putting it all together, and then at each stage hearing
24:40
getting a voice back from Jaden, it would be like, Wow, that
24:41
character just came to life just like that, And then it was up to
24:45
me to make it come to life even more with the animation, which takes
24:48
a bit longer. But yeah, so, I mean, yeah, so
24:52
any one point in particular, I wouldn't say it was my favorite, but
24:56
just seeing the whole thing at each step of the way suddenly jump up level
25:00
of you know, this is actually something we're doing. What about you,
25:03
Jaden. The most exciting part about this for me is bringing back Phil's characters,
25:07
and it's it's a huge honor that I get to do this, and
25:11
I don't want to pat myself on the back or anything too heavily here,
25:15
but watching the footage complete, it feels like his characters are back, and
25:19
it's it's very cool to see. I spent days listening to the tracks of
25:26
the characters and tried to find a middle ground between their early voices and their
25:30
later voices, and I think I got a good sound out of them,
25:36
and they sound like like they're actually talking to one another, interacting fluidly,
25:41
and I think it's probably one of my better, if not best voice acting
25:45
things that I've done in the past year. So I'm very excited to see
25:48
how that comes out. Yeah, I just also want to say that it's
25:52
been so good making my own fun little animation, you know, just for
25:56
fun, not for getting paid for it or anything, and having such a
25:59
world class voice sector behind it, Like it's just, you know, so
26:02
much fun to have that rather than something I'd be making. I'd normally just
26:06
have to voice it myself because I couldn't find anyone, and it would be
26:08
like, okay, but yeah, so did you treat this short as a
26:14
goodbye to the characters? So look at the end? Was it sort of
26:17
like a not a farewell? Were you proud of how you sent them off
26:19
at the end, or was the final bit of this segment the most difficult
26:23
part to write? Well, this is it? This is their last hurrah?
26:27
Was that the mentality going into this one or was it a little bit
26:30
different. I wouldn't say that this was like a goodbye to them, but
26:34
I would say that it's sort of like we want to see these characters succeed,
26:38
and that it's not really very kind to the characters that they sort of
26:45
just were forgotten about, never mentioned again. So I thought if we could
26:51
just like not even mention that they were gone, or not even mention that
26:53
they're going away, or anything. Just bring them back in Simpson style,
26:57
have them as the center of it, and then on to the next just
27:02
to show that the characters are still alive, you know. And we don't
27:03
own the characters by any means, but I think the fans have some level
27:07
of entitlement, you know, seeing how the characters play out in their minds,
27:12
you know, some imagination towards that. And you know, since we
27:17
never really got to see how their lives play it out, we never really
27:19
got to see Lionel Huts win a big case, or Troy McClure get a
27:23
career resurgence or anything. I thought it'd just be nice just to see the
27:27
characters one more time in their fullest, you know, not like a little
27:32
Thoroughway joke or a little background appearance in the later seasons or whatever, but
27:36
just like, the characters are back. These are characters the fans haven't seen
27:40
in over two decades, and here they are truest to themselves, And so
27:44
that's sort of what this is all about. I'm just I'm sensing. You
27:47
know, you said you had dreams before. I feel like, once this
27:49
is out there right, surely the guys like Matt or whoever ol behind the
27:53
show, we'll see how great this is. That will contact the family of
27:59
the great Phil Hartman, and I will ask the permission to give him one
28:03
last prop hurrah on the show, and hopefully you get brought back to do
28:06
it. Can you imagine hell fucking amazing that would be. I mean,
28:11
it's a long shot. Honestly, I don't know if i'd say, yeah,
28:14
it's in an official capacity. I know a lot of fans would probably
28:18
be horrifically offended that, oh, the symptoms are bringing you back after thirty
28:23
thousand years. But you know, they bitch and moan about everything else,
28:27
so who knows. But why was not chucking Bond anymore? What's going on
28:33
here? He's not strangling his kids. The show's gone woke. It'd be
28:41
nice even if it's like even if they had like extra audio of him doing
28:45
stuff, or like a demo or whatever, or just unused lines and could
28:51
use that in a new episode, that would be nice. But if they
28:53
had a good enough script, if his family gave me their blessing, and
28:57
I had every sign in the world that this is the right move, that
29:02
I should do this, and yeah, I think I would be okay with
29:06
doing them at least once on the show, but that'd be it. You're
29:10
right, it is sad that he didn't get all those two characters in particular,
29:11
didn't get the send off that they deserve that had sort of forgotten about.
29:15
But I can see why they didn't because it was sort of as a
29:18
you know, no tribute to Phil, but it's just out of respect for
29:21
Phil. But it is a shame that they couldn't at least work into a
29:23
story that they've moved away, you know, at least even Preacher got to
29:26
you know, he's gone back to his own planet. At least two characters
29:30
should have got something at least, not just oh, they're gone. Because
29:33
a lot of people were credit that that was kind of like at the same
29:34
time that the show didn't drop in quality, but it changed after that about
29:40
the same era. It's just purely coincidence. Yea, yeah, I think
29:42
that was when Bill and Josh left as showrunners and we got Mike Scully.
29:47
Mike Scully incredibly talented, but took the show in a different direction. Whether
29:51
you agree with the direction or not, that's you know, that's up for
29:52
discussion. But it was just coincidence at the same time, that was when
29:56
Phil was taken from us, and of course everyone sort of credit when Phil
30:00
left that's when the show dropped off. That's unfortunate, too, beyond unfortunate.
30:06
If anything, he was a terrific actor with terrific credits under his belt.
30:11
I was actually just watching Jingo all the way the other day. We
30:14
just reviewed it in the neighbor He's sort of like a Ned Flanders mixed with
30:18
the mixed with the Lionel Hutts level of sleeves. And it's so funny.
30:22
He's so organic with his characters. He's got such a rich and fun and
30:29
iconic voice that's so hard to forget, and one could only wish. One
30:34
could only wonder what his characters could have done throughout the Scoli era and the
30:41
resurgence about Gene and say, if he was still around the Sealman episodes or
30:45
what have you. I think there was a lot a great deal of untapped
30:49
potential with his characters that hopefully we can showcase within this short here. Yeah,
30:56
sort of remember around the time that Phil Hartman, like that was when
31:00
I left home, so I wasn't really keeping up on the state of current
31:03
events like that. So it was into a couple of seasons after that where
31:07
I sort of realized I haven't seen Lionel Huts for a while, like here's
31:11
that lawyer guy. And then I sort of found out that, you know,
31:15
the voice actor isn't around anymore so because what was the last appearance from
31:18
McClue. It was just a self help video, wasn't it, the one
31:21
where he's is it was Bart the Mother, Yeah, he was. It
31:26
was a bird watching video of bird care video or something like that. And
31:30
uh, you know that's fine at all. That's that's uh, that's something
31:33
for him. But you know, for for a last appearance, that's you
31:37
know, it just sort of ends, and that's kind of that. And
31:41
Realty Bites was the last with Lionel Huts season four and that was fun almost
31:45
in a way. It seems like the passing of the torch between Huts and
31:51
Gil Gunderson in a way, and Gil's fun. I know, he's not
31:56
the fan's biggest favorite nowadays. I think he more or less has become a
32:01
staple of the gene era, but he never really rose to the comedic heights
32:07
of Lionel Huts in terms of his legal capabilities, and none of the other
32:13
characters really have. No one's really filled the void that his character's left,
32:16
and I think that's kind of unfortunate. Do you think there's a feature?
32:20
Obviously, this is a fan made thing could eventually lead to something more,
32:22
But do you think there's a feature in fan made Simpson's animation or do you
32:28
think that Disney will be like, uh uh uh, We'll do this as
32:30
long as we can. I already have an idea for another one if we
32:34
can can get to that. But I think there's definitely a high demand for
32:40
it, and you see the kind of things that other people are making with
32:44
Simpson's animation. There was one that I saw the other day. It's got
32:49
five million views, was out a few years ago. I can't quite remember
32:52
the name of it, but it's a really it's a three D version of
32:57
Homer and Lenny and Homer's mourning loss of his son Bart, and it's all
33:01
audio from the show, but he's I think it's called Homer Goes Crazy and
33:07
it's super depressing but also like emotionally realistic. Homer's going on this path of
33:15
destruction and sorrow after Bart dies and drives around the city thinking and crying,
33:22
and it's sad, but it's so wonderfully animated and brings us into this avenue
33:29
of the show that we aren't quite used to, and I think fans would
33:32
like that. I think fans do like that and respond to such that we
33:37
can see the characters in different ways, do different things, but we still
33:40
at the end of the day know that these are the characters and this is
33:44
how they would respond in these scenarios. So I think that's what fans like
33:49
to see. I think fans are going to want to see that. More
33:52
people are going to want to create things like that. Yeah, I think
33:54
that, like we're seeing more fan things show up in the show, Like
33:58
sometimes there'll be a geest or right, Yeah, there was one where they
34:01
wanted all those people who just wanted people to draw the It's clown or Krusty
34:06
is that clown for Yeah, yeah, one of the episodes. Like I
34:08
think, you know, it'll eventually get to a point where they should be
34:12
letting not just fans, but just other well known directors do a whole episode
34:16
for themselves, just to give something different for the show. Yeah, they
34:21
even did that something like that recently, they responded to the fan theories that
34:24
have been lingering for the last yeah years. Yeah, Lisa the Boy Scout
34:30
Season thirty four is Lisa the Boy Scout delves into all these crazy theories,
34:34
Selma being Marge's mom, I can't cry, Prince being an adult. I
34:43
remember watching that one. But did they touch did they touch into Ralph being
34:45
the son of Eddie? Was that touched on of Eddie? Right? Yeah?
34:50
Martin being a grown man working at the school, and the Wise Guy
34:55
being a replica of himself, an alien crease that self replicates. They know
35:01
what the fans like, they know what the fans do, and I think
35:05
they've responded more so than ever in these last few years, even within the
35:09
last two Halloween specials and other stuff that they're doing. They do the classic
35:15
animation now and callbacks, and they'll retool episodes that we've seen a thousand times
35:19
before, but now, hey, what if it hit it this way?
35:22
And that's sort of what we're doing nowadays, is you know, with who
35:25
really shot mister Burns and the Springfield a querium versus Jory McClure, what if
35:30
this happened with these characters? And I think The writers are picking up on
35:35
that too, and we like that those episodes have done really well when they
35:37
do that. So that's I think where fans and writers have sort of intersected
35:44
in the recent years. Matt Salmon got himself a Finn Mongoern. He's pushed
35:46
the waterf machine. Now that's hero his room. Oh yeah, is my
35:53
thing longer love? It's funny. I was really impressed. Is what I
35:58
want to have to dinner with? Matt abet three months ago now here in
36:00
Melbourne. He came in his little notebook and it was several times he sort
36:04
of he come with an idea for an episode. He's like he's writing in
36:06
his book and I was like, oh, he's Larry David and this shit
36:07
Like he's he's always on, you know, he's always thinking of ideas,
36:12
and that really impressed me. Yeah. Yeah, I got to meet Matt
36:14
earlier this year too. Matt Summon at the strike that I mentioned. He
36:19
was great. What's funny about him is that not only does he know what
36:23
the fans love about The Simpsons, but he also knows the huge avenue of
36:29
bootleg stuff that's being cranked out, and he wore a bootleg bart shirt that
36:32
was very funny. So he knows, I think, more so than anybody
36:36
else on this show, what the fans like, what the fans don't like,
36:38
how to respond with, how to give the fans exactly what they want,
36:42
and hey, I'd be happy to work with them at some point.
36:45
Who knows. But I think he's been the fresh boost of energy that the
36:50
show's needed for a long time. All credit to al Jean. Has been
36:52
great for the last twenty some years, but you know, it's nice to
36:58
see a change of pace. We get superstylized episodes, and I think we
37:02
can expect a lot more of that from him. It's funny because we're walking
37:05
around and Phil Rosinfall was like, Hey, that place is called like Simpson's
37:08
Pizzas, and they've just got a Homer painted on the front of the window.
37:12
It's like, is that allowed? And Matt's like, yeh, fuck
37:14
it, not my money again, Homer's Pizzas. Do you guys watch the
37:22
new episodes much? Yeah? I watched them when I remember too. Yeah,
37:27
I haven't missed an episode. I really enjoyed the last season more so
37:30
than the current season. I think I think this one's had a couple of
37:34
there was one in particular I thought it was a bit of a stinker.
37:36
Was the mister Burns Ted talk one. I was just like, I just
37:37
can't get into it. Yeah, thirty three and thirty four I feel was
37:42
the show's resurgence. But thirty five this doesn't feel like, in my opinion,
37:47
this doesn't feel like, you know, the big thirty five, the
37:51
big thirty fifth Hurrah. Yeah, the season opener with Homer as the Grass
37:54
and Gar was great, the one with Marge's dream was real good, and
37:59
then we got, you know, another documentary style episode, change of format
38:04
format Benning episode there. Mister Burns and that wife that he has was an
38:10
interesting concept, but it just felt like we had been there and done that
38:15
before. MC manchin and mcwife or something like that. I felt like was
38:22
something we had gotten before. And there was that whole controversy he doesn't choke
38:24
part anymore that we mentioned, But like it sort of just feels like a
38:30
return to like the early twenties seasons of episodes, you know, the like
38:37
season twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, whatever, sort of just
38:42
feels like that of just like you know, later season Simpsons just doing a
38:45
topical thing and then onto the next Yeah, it was just referencing so many
38:50
things that were just around at the time but may not last. So yeah,
38:54
right, yeah, the NFT Halloween special, Yeah what she's going,
39:00
Oh boy, it's like, yeah, this is a good idea for two
39:05
years ago. Yeah. Now, I don't know, but okay, I
39:08
see where your energy, I see where you're hurting. Maybe they were just
39:12
waiting for everyone to catch up to the fact that NFTs are kind of not
39:15
that great, right, And I didn't know anybody who's got to deal with
39:19
a McMansion problem of zoning it something like that. I think that might have
39:22
been a thing like two thousand and six and seven, two thousand and eight,
39:25
but I don't know. It's sort of just seemed like one of those
39:30
episodes that doesn't really catch up or really tells what the audience is really thinking
39:36
and feeling these days. I don't know what the Mister Burns episode deal was,
39:39
but that that was just something else. I didn't finish it, but
39:45
you know, it's it's yeah, it's it's it's what nine episodes into the
39:51
season so far, who knows what the new year will hold for us,
39:54
But yeah, I'm hoping we can get more stylized episodes. Got the last
40:00
few seasons more format benning stuff, but one can only help. We definitely
40:05
got a lot more format bending ones last season than ever before. I think
40:07
there was like an eight or nine of them in the one season, and
40:09
I thought for the most part, they all stuck the landing. Yeah,
40:14
they worked, and that's what people want to see. We don't really need
40:19
another Marge is angry at Homer story or a rich do neighbors story? Or
40:24
who's the celebrity that Homer's friends with this time around. You know, we
40:29
want to see people playing Simpsons characters. When we got that with with the
40:35
ned Flanders two part are those weren't celebrity guests. Those were celebrity guests playing
40:39
new characters and characters that we like, characters that were funny, characters that
40:43
were intimidating. That's where the show needs to go. We don't need to
40:49
see Simpsons and Lizzo in a recording studio. We want to see a new
40:52
character. We want to see something that we haven't seen before. But you
40:57
know, we get that, you know now, and then we get new
41:01
stuff. But you know, I think the writers have sort of caught on
41:07
this sort of format doesn't work. We should lean off these type of stories,
41:10
or you know, March doesn't have to be angry at Homer nowadays,
41:14
now they sort of present them as more loving and cozy and relaxed. So,
41:17
you know, in some aspects, I think they've sort of picked up
41:21
on that. But every now and then we retread. There was another one
41:25
earlier this season where Bart's afraid of Nelson again after you know, decades,
41:32
I thought they were friends. What the hell? But now we're back to
41:36
that story, and you know, I want them to sort of grow and
41:42
let the characters grow and actually commit to that. But sometimes they do.
41:46
Sometimes they don't. Yeah, like, if we want to see episodes about
41:50
those old themes, we've got hundreds we can look back on for that,
41:53
you know, right, the Simpsons. If any show I can keep trying
41:58
new stuff, it should be The Simpsons exactly. I feel like they came
42:00
out at the start of the season and they said, all right, guys,
42:02
Homer and March aren't going to fight once this season. I think everyone
42:06
will be talking about the going shit seriously, really, finally you're listening.
42:13
Or they would either do that or they would get upset. They think if
42:16
the show's gone walk that now Marg isn't about with their husband. But you're
42:22
touching on like the format bending ones before though, I thought that was going
42:27
to be the evolution of the show. Eventually it would be taken not taken
42:30
off the air, but moved. When they got beat up by Disney,
42:31
I thought he started getting those Disney shorts, right, which I think are
42:36
pretty terrible. But that's another discussion, right. They feel like they're just
42:39
trying to meet a quota, and you know, talking people from yeah,
42:43
talking people from the show. They roll their eyes like, yeah, let's
42:45
not talk about those, right, But I feel like they're a real opportunity.
42:49
I thought that was going to be the evolution of the show, where
42:51
you know, maybe it won't be twenty two episodes a year, because that's
42:52
got to be strenuous just to put out ten specials a year on Disney,
42:58
plus that's knocking out of the part ten the specials. I think that's the
43:00
way forward, right, And yeah, they haven't done one of those in
43:04
a while, I think. But yeah, I sort of thought the same
43:07
thing, and that had been the general announcement that we'd get new Simpson's exclusive
43:14
Disney exclusive content. I thought we might get a mini series of Ralph or
43:19
a silent more silent stuff with Maggie, or you know, see sort of
43:23
the idea that they had in the nineties of giving the characters each their own
43:27
show or a show about all the characters, like twenty two short films.
43:30
But nope, it's The Simpsons at a bar with Disney characters and stuff like
43:36
that, and Bill basically what we would expect out of Disney owning the Simpsons.
43:43
Every Simpsons fans worst nightmare, so to speak. It was kind of
43:47
a good thing that that episode was so that little minipisode was so bad,
43:51
because it just confirms what we would hurt. The writers would are right.
43:55
And what's so interesting is like you see the credits of those things and that
44:00
they're animated by They're directed by David Silverman, who's been with the show since
44:05
the Almond era. They're written by like all the writers. They've got Matt
44:10
writing, They've got James L. Brooks writing, they've got al Jean and
44:14
all the others, all the head Houn shows. And then like it comes
44:17
out and it's like, Okay, I've seen it once. I don't know
44:20
that I need to see it again, and you know that's ultimately I think
44:24
Andrew and I could probably crank out just in the exclusive content for them,
44:29
the stuff that fans I actually want to see stylized original characters and stuff like
44:34
that, but that do't ever happen, so, you know. But the
44:44
thing is, though, it's like I think their mentality going into those shorts
44:47
is it doesn't matter if it's good or bad. It's just we're just got
44:50
to put something out there. Well, I feel like that they're still passionate
44:52
about quality with the show with those shorts, though you watch it going,
44:57
did you guys actually write any of this old? Did you? You know?
45:00
I hate to bring it up, but did you just ai this shit?
45:01
Because this doesn't feel like you're writing at all a lot of it.
45:05
It just feels so generic. So much of it doesn't it. It doesn't
45:07
feel like Simpsons. Much of it doesn't feel like the Simpsons. The Force
45:14
Awakens Maggie thing it felt like a Star Wars short that happened to have Maggie
45:19
Simpson in it. The Disney celebration thing plus a Versary thing that just felt
45:23
like a Disney short that happened to have the Simpsons in it, and it
45:27
shouldn't be that way. It should be the Simpsons and everybody else is just
45:30
living in their world. You know, in an ordinary episode, Mickey Mouse
45:36
would be shot up by Itchy and Scratchy or something, or Goofy would get
45:39
the shit beat out of him, or you know, something something horrifically violent
45:45
and a way of like saying screw you, We're not gonna give into the
45:47
corporate entities, you know, the way that they've always bullied and badgered Fox
45:52
on the show. I was expecting that, you know, from these shorts,
45:55
that they'd go after Disney harder than they have, but it's been kids
46:00
gloves. So yeah, you're right, normally they'd be going at Disney,
46:04
but it feels like they're extending their handout saying friend. It's like what all
46:08
right? Yeah, It's like that's not what would happen. Homer would be
46:13
drinking with Goofy. He'd probably like think that he's a rabbit dog and run
46:16
him over with the car or something, or trying to get him speed.
46:22
But with you know, obviously you guys are both massive Simpsons fans, are
46:27
what are both of your earliest memories of the show. We'll start with you,
46:30
Andrew. You're from New Zealand. What are your earliest memories of the
46:31
show. Well, when the show first came out at the end of nineteen
46:36
eighty nine, I wasn't really too aware of it, but I was basically
46:39
the exact same age as Bart, because it came out like the day before
46:44
my birthday. Okay, so, and when I turned in and in the
46:49
following year, like, I didn't really see a lot of the show because
46:52
my parents weren't really big on cartoons. They tried to discourage how much I'd
46:55
watched, and it was on after my bedtime and all that kind of thing.
47:00
But I did get to see a couple of episodes that a friend of
47:02
mine had recorded to VHS and we watched. I can't remember what they were
47:08
now, but I know that some of the earliest episodes I saw were Bart
47:12
the Daredevil and Bart the Genius. I think were two that just and I've
47:16
always liked those ones. You know. It's like some of the older ones,
47:22
you see them so many times in reruns and they start to get a
47:23
bit grating, but those two are just yeah, They've always been a favorite.
47:30
But I also do remember that later on my parents did start to soften
47:35
towards The Simpsons, and sort of in the early nineties they started to realize,
47:38
oh, maybe this show isn't as bad as some of the other crap
47:40
that he watches. So they recorded for me while I was out at boy
47:46
Scouts one time they recorded the Halloween episode Threehouse of Horror. I can't remember
47:52
which one, but it was the one where with the Monkey's poor and all
47:54
those episodes. Yeah, yeah, and seeing like an actual this. I
48:00
know there were earlier Halloween ones, but that was the first one I saw,
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and just it was so funny to see a cartoon that just went really
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hard on the violence and like brains getting scooped out and all that kind of
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thing. What about you, Jaden, So obviously you know massive fan as
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well, massive Muppets fan as well. I can see from the back Ben
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Navel you muppet. Yeah, parapherally the backroun so one of your earliest memories
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of the of the Simpsons, though, incidentally enough, it's I think through
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the merchandise. We had the car, the pink car that it talked when
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you pressed down on the characters. It had all for the main Simpsons characters,
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and when you pressed down on them, they would say a line from
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the show, typically travel related, like oh, we left Grandpa at the
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gas station, or a Homer would say doll or or something like that.
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And I remember Marge kept breaking off and we'd have to super glue her back,
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and then eventually we lost March. I remember there was a we ended
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up returning that toy to this sort of a thrift shop at the corner.
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I don't even remember if that building's still there, it was so old,
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but there was a whole aisle of out of the box Simpson's toys and stuff,
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and my brother had bought the little figures that when you stand them up
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they say a line or so he had a handful of those. But I
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remember the first my first glimpses as far as the actual episode goes, was
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I remember, my this is gonna sound weird as hell, but my grandma
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had a TV in the bathroom and it was one of those TVs where it
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didn't plug into anything. It was just like you you pulled out the antenna
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and then it would like play a really really staticky black and white version of
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whatever was actually on real TV and a Simpsons episode was on and I sat
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there watching it in the bathroom for a little bit until I was told to
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get out. But I remember Reverend Lovejoy was on the screen, and it
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had to have been the Listen Lady episode because I remember he was at the
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train. I think that's the episode. Yeah, this, well, there's
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a very sad man. And that was sort of my first memory, and
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later when I got the DVDs, I contextualized that. And then one of
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the other ones I remember really really young, scared the hell out of me
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was the Funzo episode. I remember seeing the skeleton version of the Funzo toy
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creeping towards Lease saying give me a hug again. That scared the hell out
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of me. In and years later I see it what the actual episode was,
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and it was fun so and it's actually really funny. So I used
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to scare my sister as well. We'll talking about I see you, like,
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stop it, stop it. I also have a memory about watching The
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Simpsons on a bad TV, which was it wasn't a portable one, but
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sometime around the golden era of the Simpsons, it was on TV at six
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o'clock and my parents would always watch the six o'clock news, so I couldn't
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watch The Simpsons unless I watched it on an old to monitor that only played
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monochrome green in the other room. I watched a lot of the classic episodes
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in black and white or green and white at first, and then got to
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see them in color later. They're yellow. I've been seeing the green of
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myself. You were yellow the whole time. You're like, why are Springfield's
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favorite yellow family? What's going on here? Greenfield's favorite green yellow family.
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Yes, exactly right, it must be why I like doctor Colossis so much.
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He stayed the same. Alrighty guys, Well let's wrap this up,
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shall we. But of course we're here to talk about the Springfield Aquerium versus
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Tromiklos Let's plock promote one more time. So basically the setup is Troy's found
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himself naked in a tub full of primes, which sounds very dangerous, but
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he's been accused of sleeping with the fishes, as guess reference one of the
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gags. By the way, in the episode of fish Court Summer, where
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as a kid, I was like, what's he talking about? But you
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watch it now and you're like, hol hot diggity damn. How do they
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get that one through the senses? Weirdly enough, by the way, Phil
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Harburn plays fat Tony in that episode in some strange twist for some reason,
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he wasn't available for that one. But Joe, he doesn't like that if
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fat Tony's in the show, he has to voice him. It's going to
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be a good reason for him not to voice the character in the show yet.
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But so basically being sued by the aquarium? Who's being sued by in
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this short? It's just a public and decency kind of thing. It's probably
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been brought against them by the aquarium. I'm not sure who. It's like.
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Everything I know about how the legal system works on the States I got
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from The Simpsons basically so well. I cannot wait to see it. Is
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it basically? Is it left open ended where you could do another one featuring
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these two characters, or is this going to be it for these two?
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You think, no, we don't kill them off or anything good in the
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air right now, But probably the next one I'll focus on some other untapped
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area of characters that we haven't seen before. Who knows, but you know,
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I love playing mister Burns and Smithers so we could do who really really
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really shot mister Burne's knags? I don't know, but hey, you know,
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keeping open air, there's always something that we'll be working on alrighty,
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And we'll put the links for all the videos in the description of this podcast.
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But again, gentlemen, thank you so much for your time. It's
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been an absolute pleasure. All the best of the video and all the best
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of the holiday season. Thank you. Merry Christmas, wait, thank you
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very much. And Mary Beer miss