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Ep. 34 | Warfare & Wonder: Walking Out Faith in a Supernatural World | Fellowship of the Fringe · Sasquatch & Sourdough

• 0:01
  SPEAKER_04: One, and now we're recording.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: Alright, so I'm gonna do a quick I'm just gonna do a quick intro and then um since we're not live because I forgot about that.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: Forget about it.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_04: Forget about it.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_04: Um, yeah, okay, so welcome back to Fellowship of the Fringe.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_04: Guys, I have Ricky and Shelly from the Is that what we're doing, C T W?
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the challenge?
• 0:38
  SPEAKER_02: Where's the challenge?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on, this is really weird because I have to I gotta comment on that already.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so from the Christian theological dark web, Ricky and Shelley.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_04: And then my new friend, Jesse, who is the I'm sorry, I wrote it down.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not on TikTok, I've been made fun of.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_04: The handyman creature, right?
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: Forgive me.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's right.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, I'm sorry.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_04: God will not let me allow He's I'm not allowed on TikTok, so it's okay.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's you can tune in and see me dancing at any time.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_04: That's right.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: You guys gotta cross post.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's what you're gonna do.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_04: We do, we have to.
• 1:12
  SPEAKER_04: But the Wakanda Forever, we were talking about this at kids' camp tonight because apparently I'm so old.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_05: You knew I was gonna say that.
• 1:20
  SPEAKER_01: Black Panther.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Black Panther said.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_05: I never saw that.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_04: Guys, I don't watch stuff.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_04: Wakanda Forever.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_04: See, I don't I never watched it either.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: But like I was talking about how my son, like, he when he goes to get communion, he goes to a Catholic school.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_04: So when he goes to get communion, they make him do this.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_04: And so somebody was like, Does he does he say like Wakanda Forever?
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, I don't know what that I don't understand any reference.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_04: So that's fantastic.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_04: Oh gosh.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so how we bring culture into don't even know what we're doing.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: I keep telling my son it every time we watch something or do something.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: So in school or at preschool, he goes, Wakanda forever.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm waiting to get the report anyway.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_03: But it hasn't happened.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_02: Mr.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Dodric, we we have some cultural identity questions for you and your children.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_04: What is happening here?
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yes, welcome to another installment of Fellowship of the Fringe, the um community that I'm not quite sure where God's taking it, but it's exciting to be around a bunch of fellow content creators, podcasters.
• 2:28
  SPEAKER_04: We've been talking for like 40 minutes already about and then we decided before before we started recording that something really weird is happening, right?
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_04: I think that we discovered that in our 40-minute conversation.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it it really does seem like in some, if not many aspects, the tide is turning in a lot of ways.
• 2:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I think that's to be expected, you know.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I don't I I don't know if you guys heard this, but this past election cycle was something like good night.
• 3:03
  SPEAKER_02: I want to say it was like over a hundred nations were electing new leaders this past election cycle.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_02: That's a big thing.
• 3:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I did hear something like that.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's wild.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_02: It's a wild thing to happen.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like you look at neighboring countries, like for example, Mexico has only a single six-year team term, and we have two four-year terms that are maximum as for president.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, those correspond every what, every two cycles.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_02: But for that many countries to line up like that is is very, very um telling, you know, like it's to be expected.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, that's why I told you, Rick, that I thought that Trump would win, remember?
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_05: Because I saw it in nation after nation after nation after nation the right um concept, the right wing candidate, right, um was was who was voted in.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_05: It is almost like somebody has a script somewhere or something.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Right, like it may all be planned.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Hmm now that's conspiracy conspiracy theorists.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_05: Where's your tinfoil hat?
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_05: I fear mine away, I won't make another.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, we know who's at the top.
• 4:19
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I couldn't afford a tinfoil hat because there's uh you know, there's supply shortages, and so you know, I'm on the download.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_02: The tariff charges just too much.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_02: I just couldn't act, I couldn't use it.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I've been following a lot of cryptocurrencies.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: You're about to see cryptos like, and I I'm not trying to name drop or you know, charges, but like XRP.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: If you learn anything about that coin, that coin is being adopted all over the planet.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Japan's running.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: That type of coin, Ripple, that will be transactional.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: So it transactions like money transactions, and it does it immediately, which will make immediate digital currency.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's a step into the beast.
• 5:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: It is wild, but you know, it's something to watch as a Christian.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_04: This is so crazy.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like, I however, if you can invest in it, maybe do.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_04: I was gonna say, do you have Jesse?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_04: Are you trying to give us like stock tips?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_04: What's happening?
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not, I can't give financial advice, but do you research?
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, I've I've followed that for years, and uh I've always been keen on the financial, and I felt like God led me that way back in 2020.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: But I'm not a you know, crypto millionaire or anything.
• 5:34
  SPEAKER_01: If I was, I'd bless all of you guys with it.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: I know you would.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: That is your nature.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm no zero, zero doubt at all.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_02: That uh comes your way, homeboy.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_02: So I could have chuck a change too.
• 5:48
  SPEAKER_02: We get all done.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_02: Wow.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's crazy because like I I actually somehow like came into a bunch of hundred dollar bills.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was getting paid in hundreds from the older couple that I work for.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_04: And cool people like don't understand.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, it's literally not, it's literally like here's a hundred dollars.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um tug it under a bench.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: When I was trying to like to buy stuff with it, yeah, I have encountered a lot of people who have never encountered an old$100 bill and they didn't.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: So there's like, you know, 16-year-olds that are like, um I I have to get my manager because I don't know what's this real and I'm like, oh my gosh, like but that got me thinking, right?
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: What like that's crazy.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what happens if they like I don't want to get see now?
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_04: We're getting down the rabbit hole, but like I don't want to get down that way.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_02: But like I'm I have a way to bring this back.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_04: Don't worry, what money looks like, right?
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_04: You know, like I've never seen this money.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I've thought I've thought the same thing about, you know, like like actual writing with your hand and pen and paper.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I felt that way for a long time too.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: That, you know, like kids like most kids don't know how to do that.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't, I'm not like you have to know cursive.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just like, do you just know how to write the letters for God's sake?
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_05: We can write in code because Jillian doesn't know how to read cursive.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_05: Many people can do that.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_05: So they can't read the documents, yes.
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, older English.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_05: That's not what it's at.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_05: We all have tinfoil hats tonight.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_05: I want to as opposed to all the other times.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_02: You got you do have a tinfoil.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_02: Well, tin tin can hat.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_02: There you go.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, one thing that I really we that in theory, we kind of are basing this episode or this talk, whatever we're calling it, right?
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: This uh F O T F um We're basing it around the idea of uh beauty reflecting God's glory and monotonousness or monotony, I don't know how to say it, monotonousness, I guess.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh being really a device of the enemy.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that the fact that that when when we ever, I mean, you know how whenever you're in a job, the any kind of professional job, what everybody wants is synchronicity and they want this one fancy word that everybody loves to hear, and that we we all want it streamlined.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_02: Everything needs to be streamlined.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_02: Get to the point, yeah.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and it's like, well, but if everything's streamlined, then no one has any room for expression, and there's no room for creativity.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_05: And I think that that's on the margins.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_02: Really, what another reflection of of digital currency in general.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_02: And and I know, you know, the the ultimate goal is well, we all want to have our own coin that you can express and this and that, and blah blah blah.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: But I'm sort of like I just want to congratulate organic about having something in your hand and going and exchanging it for its value and then you know, interchanging it, and then you have to figure out what the math is and all that kind of stuff.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_02: You know, there's there's something very organic about that kind of thing.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that it's I think it's a big deal.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_02: I think it has a lot to do with with the whole beauty of the process.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: I guess this is about the best place I'm gonna find to make this comment, so I'll make it here.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: Living abroad changes your perspective on reality drastically.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I lived in Taiwan for two months, and you know, everything was cash-oriented.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, it was those few years, about 10 years ago, almost now.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but even before, I mean, but even aside from that, like just just the the organic way you can interact with life is so different than here in the States.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_02: Everything is so ridiculously organized that it's boring.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's so boring.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_02: And if you've never not, if you've never not ex if you've ever experienced only that, then it seems so bizarre to be like, how do people live like this?
• 10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's crazy.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_02: Until you're there and you're like, this just obviously is the right way to live.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_02: Like you should obviously be living in a spontaneous universe, in a spontaneous space, right?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I I remember very specifically, this is a really cool, it was one of my favorite memories.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_02: We had some free time after lunch one one day, and I was like, hey, who wants to go with me?
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go do such and such.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_02: And everyone's like, nah, I'm not going.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: Nah, I'm not literally no one went with me.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, well, screw you guys.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_02: I've lived in another country before.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna go explore.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_02: So I just took off walking.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: I just went walking down some random street, and I came across this guy's little store, and it was all these brushes for for writing calligraphy in Chinese.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I found this guy that had a brush that was this size in his shop, and he let me hold it.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_02: And that kind of thing, and I have I still have a picture of it, it's on it's on my Facebook.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_02: And so that kind of thing is like that hardly ever happens here in the States.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_02: There are places where you can find it, but it's rare.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_02: It's very rare.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: You have to really go look for that.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: But you go to other cultures, like that's part and parcel of reality.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's just the way people live.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_02: They're, you know, they're figuring out they have a small home business, they want to pass that on as an inheritance to their their children, and their children can do however they see fit with it, but just make it prosperous.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_02: We like that that's such a an unfamiliar concept to Americans.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like everything is about making things streamline and putting it on an assembly line and making sure it comes out identical every single time.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, dude, no, that's not that's not the way we were made.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, that's totally not the way we were made.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_05: Really, we were made to barter.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 11:47
  SPEAKER_05: And again, and so I guess I'll bring up again for the half-dozent time today, the merchant of Tyree or Tyre, depending on how you wish to pronounce it.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_02: That was smooth, good, good transition show.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_05: Thanks.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_05: Um which is uh a moniker for the devil, um, for Helil.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_05: So we were supposed to barter.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_05: You give give somebody who didn't grow corn corn for their apricots or their basket or yeah, whatever, whatever.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_05: Um, and then we started doing currencies, and at one time the currency had something to back it up, right?
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_05: So, so that and that's what we all think of when we think of the dollar.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_05: We think, oh yeah, all the gold and fort knots.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_05: Nah, guys, that's so gone.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_05: We have a fiat currency.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_05: We have a fiat currency, which is a currency that is supported by an idea at best, an idea of wealth.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_05: Of what?
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_05: What did you say, Rick?
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_05: Do you trust me?
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_02: Which is hilarious, right?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I trust you.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Trust the daddy government.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_02: We we we live in the most the most deceitful time probably in some of the most deceitful times in in mankind.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_02: Do you try you gotta trust what I say?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_02: You just maybe maybe not.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe not.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, we were talking off air, and I think that that we should go ahead and just bring this on air.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um people are less satisfied now than ever before.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um I was talking, we want to have a multi-generational home.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_05: We want my daughter and um her boyfriend.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's what they are currently.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_05: He will be her husband someday because Lord Jesus, please.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_05: Um and my grandchildren, we we want to have a multi-generational home.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_05: We're talking about bringing in my my mother-in-law as well, putting her in uh a granny pod.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_05: So she has her own space, her own house.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen that company.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'm telling you, I think it's pretty cool.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_05: And the Google A's has listened to me because I get advertisements on the daily.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_04: On the daily for no, I'm gonna get in for the granny pond.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_05: Right, you are.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_05: Sorry, love.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: I spoke in gosh, jeez.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_05: I I I love the idea of multi-generational homes.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_05: My nana lived with us growing up.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_05: My nana lived with us too.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_05: It was so great.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_05: My nana was the coolest man.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_05: I I I was so blessed to have her to have her in in our home.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_05: Um and growing up, she's part of my daily life, much closer to my nana than any of my other grandmothers.
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_05: And she was my stepmom's mom, but I'm telling you, hands down, my nana is my favorite, uh, just my favorite grandma ever.
• 15:25
  SPEAKER_05: She she was the the stuff man.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_05: But um we my best friend and I were talking about how we live in a society where um it's very difficult for there to only be one breadwinner.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_05: Um and the reason the reason is because uh we have all the things that the merchant shows us that we need to have to acquire happiness.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_05: And it it none of them last.
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_05: So you get the Xbox, cool.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_05: Now there's the Xbox One or four or 97, whatever iteration they're on now.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_05: Um you get the iPhone, it's the coolest thing ever.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, you know, I'll pay$1,300 for the newest iPhone.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_05: Well, great.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_05: In two months there's gonna be another another, uh a better, more updated version.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_05: And we go along with this, and and we don't think twice about it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_05: We don't think twice about this this merchantile system that that is how it's really designed.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_05: It is of the enemy.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_05: God didn't call the devil the merchant of Tyre for nothing.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_05: It He wasn't just like bandying about um titles one day and thought, I'm gonna throw this one in the mix for no reason.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_05: It's because it's it's a clever, um, well received um snare for us.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_05: It's a snare and we don't even realize it.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_05: We're like, um gosh, who is it who wrote Brave New World?
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'll I'll Huxley Huxley, that's right.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_05: Huxley.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_05: Huxley, oh my gosh.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_05: He he warned us that that we would gladly tether ourselves to our own chains.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_02: Well, for that matter, so did C.S.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: Lewis.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, so did God.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_05: He he started it his book first.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_05: He was like, guys, The Merchant Attiree.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_02: I need to pick up a copy of that.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's gonna shackle you.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_05: Y'all need to be kingdom-minded.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_05: You need to have you need to have your mind on where your true treasure lies, and that's not here.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_05: But I mean, how often do do we think about that?
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_05: I don't think about that on the daily.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I don't know if in that uh in that depth of context, which would be good by the way, um, to do, but I also think that this is probably the best place to mention this.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um I have had this belief for a while now.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's not something that anyone has told me in particular.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_02: It's just kind of an observation based on the deceitfulness of man um that makes sense to me and and I think reflects closest to the country we live in.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: Um although I will say I do believe that genuinely I do believe that there were some men that were really honest, God-loving, god-fearing men that really wanted to have a place to righteously be able to worship.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_02: I truly believe that.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_02: I I don't think that that's you know, it's not it's not as simple as just like, oh, they were all a bunch of Masons.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_02: And sure, there were plenty of Masons and, you know, just like there's plenty of people that find themselves in situations that they were like, oh, I didn't know this was what this was, right?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: You know, stuff.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, there's all sorts of stuff like that.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: So I so I I don't think it's fair to lump everyone in.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: But I will say, um, if it wasn't started out this way, the US, I think the the the purpose was to create the illusion of choice on purpose.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_02: Because you do that by creating the comforts of life, which creates the dependency on those comforts, comforts, all the while you you start to destroy the ideologies, the independence, the the health of a nation, of a of a group of people.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_02: And then once you have them dependent, then you you as the the uh leader or set of leaders, well, you're tripping me out.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_03: I know, sorry.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_03: You're good.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me like crazy.
• 19:59
  SPEAKER_02: You commandeer all those resources and you discourage anyone else from being able to create or be independent.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's why we can't, that's why most country most uh states here in the US can no longer get their own rainwater.
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it's very difficult to own any animals like chickens or have, you know, even on your own land.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_02: It's very difficult to grow food on your own land.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, you it's very difficult even farmers are going out of business left, right, and center.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_02: Because everything's being streamlined, right?
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: Everything's being put on the assembly line, and now that dependence exists, and now that you own the means of production, there's nowhere else to go to get what you need.
• 20:44
  unknown: Right.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like literally nowhere else to go.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_02: So the easiest oh god.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know how to stop.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_05: God God knew what he was talking about when he told Noah and his family, disperse, go and subdue the land.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_05: And the enemy knew what he was doing when he said, No, y'all stay together.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_05: You're you're safe if you stay together.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_05: And then right, and then within a couple of generations, there they are building a city.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: You got Nephilim again.
• 21:15
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, one of the most like epitome of the dirtiest thing you could do to somebody is make a quote that says, eventually you'll own nothing and love it.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's the epitome of a slave.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: You own nothing and you love it.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And look, how many CDs do you own?
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: How many records do you own?
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: You don't, you stream all of your music.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: How many movies do you own it?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_01: You don't, you stream it all.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I think I own the books that are in my Kindle Nook uh Google app and Audible.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: If that server disappears, you won't.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_02: You won't.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_05: I'll be stuck with what I have on hand.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I'm saying.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: My i stream, like I'll get a book to listen to because I like to listen and then also take notes.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: You too.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_04: So then I'll get the book.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_05: So that's I got Bo Kennedy's new I so I watched Bo Kennedy on I don't know, probably Merkel, because I really I really like the Confessionals.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I think it was Tony Merkel's uh confessionals.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was just on the confessionals.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_04: I got his book too.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_05: I so I downloaded it on whatever Audible or and maybe I did it on Kindle, and so I have the Schmis read it to me on the app because you can do that.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_05: But then I was like, this is really good and I need to take notes.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_05: And so then I bought the book and gifted it to my pastor.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_05: Nice.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because I I think what he has to say is is very important about the spiritual warfare.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um it's it's one of those things that has been slowly suffocated out of the church, man.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_05: And when I'm like, guys, come on, armor up.
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_05: We don't wrestle against flesh and blood, but principalities, power, spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_05: And everybody's like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_05: So it's interesting.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_04: I um I'm gonna have Bo on, I think, in a couple weeks.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_04: Like, oh, that's so exciting! I'm so excited because he's like the whole reason that I started my podcast.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_04: I absolutely love him.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_04: Uh so cool.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_04: I'm so excited.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and he's all he's all big and fancy now.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_04: So he's all in the competition.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, I know who Bo Kennedy is.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, that's so awesome.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_05: And he's going on vacation, so he's gonna read his read this book this week.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like such a good book.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, yeah, bring into my church.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_04: But like, here's the crazy thing.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_04: So now we're going to spiritual warfare, which I mean, hey, it's all it's all relevant, right?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_04: But like I had I had these gals on the um Cryptid Women's Society a couple episodes ago, and they're from Australia and New Zealand, and they are you know, they're not of faith, but they do really cool research.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_04: And it was really, I mean, that's just kind of how my podcast is.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_04: Like, at you don't have to be a Christian, come on here.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_04: I want it's a table.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_05: Well, why in the world should we only it's not what we're hanging out with Christians?
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: No, well, just go to the moon.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: That's my platform.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: I I want the atheist.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_01: I want I want the safe.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: Give me them all.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: But they were the modest reason together.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: So much fun.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was so much fun.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_04: And this is the cool thing.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: What happened was they were they started talking about, like, I can't exactly remember what part of the conversation because we were just having a blast.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_04: But they brought up spiritual warfare.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, okay, well, here you go.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you have something in your vernacular that is spiritual warfare.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_04: It might be a little bit different than what I would experience now, but they're talking about how you when you go out to do research or when you go out to investigate, you really need to be careful and you need to like, you know, protect yourselves and all that stuff.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, that's very true.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_04: Like, they're more kind of like all-encompassing of whatever you believe.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_04: So it's funny because I made a clip of that and I put it on Instagram, and somebody, at first, this comment got hidden, and I was like, Oh, I'm gonna, I'm unhiding this comment because I want I want somebody to like I'm not gonna get in the comments with somebody, but it was a Christian, and their whole thing was like, Well, you should, you know, you should never um, I don't know, like whatever.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like, other people can't experience spiritual warfare unless you're covered in the blood of Jesus.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Are you kidding me?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_04: We're all in this war.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_04: But listen, this is the funny thing.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_04: I told my husband, I was like, look, I was like, it's happening.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_04: Compens are coming.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the dumbest.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: The Christians are getting they will come.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they come for us all.
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_04: They do, right?
• 26:06
  SPEAKER_01: They come for literally.
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Christians are some of the most critical people I've ever encountered.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I had to stop myself.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I was just like, Holy Spirit, because I wanted to be like, well, I'm sorry that ain't in the Bible.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like, you know, I just really wanted to get all up in the comments, but I didn't.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: The Pharaoh encountered spiritual warfare.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_01: He wasn't a Christian.
• 26:27
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's just it was the opposite end, but he's so experienced.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, that's what an asinine comment now that now that I'm really thinking about it, because I'm so excited to talk about it.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: What is the whole purpose of, I mean, what was the whole purpose of my gods are greater than your gods?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_02: Right?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Where did that Elijah and Baal?
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's so funny.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_02: Man, wow, I'm so glad you guys brought this up right now.
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: I was in I was in uh uh in El Paso and I happened to with my dad.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_02: My dad was gonna help me out.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: My my poor dad, he's you know, he's he's very like one frame of mind.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: Like I mean, he he kind of is like the one that just sits in front of the TV and just like oh that's right, that's right.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_02: You know, kind of ruminates.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_02: Kind of ruminates on on I love my dad to death.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_04: I want to meet that dad.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_02: But but uh he we had gone to Home Depot because he was gonna help me with a project for Father's Day that my wife was asking me to do.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Long story.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_02: Anyway, we did that thing.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, dad thing.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: It was really cool, actually.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: It worked out really good.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: Hadn't spent time with my dad like that in a long time.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: So we're getting through the the the um we're just about to pay and everything.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_02: And this this girl that's that's ringing us up, I don't know how we got on the subject.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, yeah, I was wearing my Eli shirt, and so she's like, Oh, that's cool.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's got a really cool beard.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_02: I like the way he looks, and this and that.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, Yeah, he's a he represents our podcast.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_05: She's like, Eli, the CTGW guy.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_02: And so she's like, he looks like you.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, he's not me, but he does look like me.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_02: I'm younger.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_02: Um, that's the only thing I got going for me.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_02: And so we got it, we got to be able to do it.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_02: All beardic guys look the same.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: And she she goes, I don't know how we got on it, but my dad was talking about, you know, spiritual this, spiritual that.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_02: She goes, Well, I'm a pagan.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, Oh, great, we should watch our show.
• 28:11
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, you might totally disagree with our perspectives on stuff, but you'd you'd probably be interested in the content.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_02: And she's like, Okay, I'll check it out.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_02: And so my dad was just like, he was in this like weird situation where he didn't really know how to handle it, you know, and he because he was trying to understand what was going on.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_02: And to me, I'm like, I've already been down this road.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I know exactly what's going on here.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_02: And so I told her, I go, Yeah, I mean, I totally believe in all the gods you believe in too.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I was like, I totally believe in all the gods you believe in too.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_02: I just you and I are gonna differ on who's uh who's on top and who's doing what.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's basically our gonna be our argument, you know.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_02: I go, but uh really cool, check it out, this and that.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: And so it it was it it's just it's interesting to be in this space now, right?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_02: Where and and I think that what what's the guy's name, Christina?
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_02: That his book, what's this guy's name?
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_02: Oh uh, I I really we should give him a shout out because he's Josh Nadu.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Josh Nadu.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_02: Nolan.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_02: I think you I have not you room for good things to run wild.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's the best thing.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: He says uh something that uh shout out to Josh that really, really resounded with me.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_02: He I I I was trying to figure out how to phrase it the other day.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_02: He says, I don't think we live in a post-Christian society, I think we live in a pre-Christian society again.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so I when I had this interaction and I thought I was thinking back about it kind of like in the back of my mind when he said that, and I was like, Yeah, that's exactly where we're at.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like people don't under like we're not even on the same wavelength as far as what terms mean anymore.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so there's it's funny because because we're not on that same wavelength, there's an easier bridge to cross, I feel like now.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_02: Instead of like having to like force definitions and getting into semantics about this and that, and well, who is you know, because I mean, it's it's like he said, Atheism's pretty much dead.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, if yeah, if you believe it, it's sort of like, well, then what the what in God's name is quantum physics, bro?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what is what is all we were seated by aliens.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_05: Well, who made those aliens?
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_05: And who made those aliens?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_04: Because when he was saying that like we were we're in a pre-Christian like world, he was saying he kind of tied it back to like St.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_04: Patrick.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, and how like it's kind of yeah, like and I don't know.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm a St.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_02: Patrick baby, by the way.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_04: Woo!
• 30:26
  unknown: Yay!
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: But like I this is what I think I love about this whole idea of like re-enchantment and and all the stuff that we keep bringing up on this little fringe weirdoness that we keep having.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I love the idea of, yeah, because you're right.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_04: We do believe, yeah, I believe in, yeah, there is Pan and there's this God and then that, and then this, and there's fairies, and there's probably unicorns.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: I can't wait to find them.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_04: But like the whole thing is exactly right, Ricky.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but I just believe that, like, well, you know, the God of the Bible, you know, is the one that's the best.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_04: And that's just it, you know, like the true God.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I have one that claims the title, yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: Is it right?
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: He is the most high.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_04: El Shaddai King of Kings.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean there's recognition to the others, but they're nowhere near where he's at.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: And I had this, I had I got to have this conversation with my son.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it's so cool how God is restoring everything with my son.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I absolutely love it.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like, you know, I was having this conversation with him, and he's like, Well, he's like, Well, I like studying mythology, and like what about this?
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, I was like, Well, remember, there are little g gods in the Bible.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but but Yeshua is the one.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like, he's the he's the big G God.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like, that's the way, and I think sometimes we forget that.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_04: And that's what I love about this whole like little magical, I don't know.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's just really it's exciting because it is kind of like we are kind of we're like in the fern gully forest again, right on the you know, and like coming out of witchcraft, you realize these things are exactly yeah, they're real, they exist.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, witch of Endor is right in the Bible.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Saul has the witch, resurrects Samuel, and it's allowed.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_05: And it is Samuel who comes back with some demon masquerading, and that's why she's so afraid.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_01: He was not happy.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is a serious conversation that people want to avoid.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: The reality is our God's on top of all of them.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: He's the head, he's the most high, right?
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_01: Right, El Elion, right?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_05: El Elion, that's right.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_04: Isn't that such a better bridge builder?
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely table setter, just to say, you know what, exactly what you did, Ricky.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know what?
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_04: I totally get it.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_04: Like you're a pagan.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_04: Cool, hi, welcome.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I'm a Christian, but we all believe in the same stuff.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like, we're in the same stuff world.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_04: Made of the same stuff.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it's it's what gets me actually that's it's been easier in the past probably year or two to share the gospel coming from this perspective than it's ever was for me.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because because I maybe that's what it is, guys, because it's you're right, it's freeing.
• 33:17
  SPEAKER_02: Because when we were in this kind of atheistic framework idea about that's you know, everything's material and this and that.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I always felt like I had this huge onus to prove everything.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_02: And when we're in this framework now, this pre-Christian framework, this this re pre-Christian framework, I guess we'll call it, right?
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't feel any onus anymore.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's more like, yeah, sure.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, you can worship whoever you want, dude.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's up to you, but I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with the one that's gonna freaking says a word, and he don't have to shoot any lightning bolts or anything.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_02: He just says it and it's done.
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_02: It is, right?
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I mean that's that's why the centurion went to Jesus, right?
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_02: Well, he was like, he was like, I don't, I don't even deserve to have you come under my roof.
• 34:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just say it, and it'll be done.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_02: And that's for a Roman at that time to say something like that was unthinkable.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, unthinkable.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_02: That guy, he had no reason to bow to respect to anything in the Jewish world.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_05: Except except what he saw.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_02: He saw Jesus do.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_02: But I mean by by societal standards, right?
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_05: So I think that's why the enemy came into the church so earlier.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_05: The enemies came into the church so so long ago.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: Oh well, we're seeing it now.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_05: And but what we what we saw then and we're feeling the effects of it, and this is this is the how I um understand the pre-Christian.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_05: Um they went in and we didn't want to look like a bunch of superstitious pumpkins.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_05: So they took the supernatural out of out of the our worldview and started naturalizing all the supernatural.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_05: And so most of the people I know, most of the Christians I know and in and I know uh quite a bit, when they read their Bible, gosh, I'm gonna go back to my old faithful.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_05: They read about Shatterak, Meshach, and Abednego in the fire, and and everybody's like, cool, Jesus can be with me in the fire.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I'm not gonna get burned.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_05: And nobody looks at the Nebuchadnezzar said, he looks like a son of the gods.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_05: And everybody knew what that was.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_05: They knew they knew the sons of God.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_05: He wasn't talking about some metaphorical thing that that everybody wasn't familiar with.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_05: He was talking about something that they were all familiar with.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_05: They knew about the sons of God, yes, of the gods who walked among men.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't a um a foreign idea to them like it is to us.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_05: We're like, uh, that's you know, oh, we don't.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_05: I know it's spiritual warfare, but really what that means is, you know, my spirit is worrying against my flesh.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_05: I need to, I need to be the better me.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_05: I need to be the best me and overcome my flesh with my spirit, really.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_05: And yeah, there's the devil and dude, he's got so much power.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's such a such a powerful dude.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_05: And and he's always trying to trip me up, makes my car not run, makes makes the audio go out on the Jesus, but yeah, like like he's something, and he's not a he's not something.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_05: You know what?
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_05: Okay, so he he has some power.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_05: He didn't have Yahweh power.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_05: He didn't have a tenth of Yahweh power, he doesn't have a hundredth of Yahweh power.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_05: He just has limitations, he has imitations, and he gets the clout, and we all just nod our heads like he's the only one.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_05: And he can't he can't be creative, like he's just so not creative.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_05: No, he he just bends everything.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I was I was just thinking about this, and I know that that I always come back to.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: But he's not the only one.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_05: That's what I want to say.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_05: I'm so sorry, Rick.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_05: I stepped all over you.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_05: But my point was not jerk.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Just kidding.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_05: I know, I totally am.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_05: He's he's one of several hundred, maybe several several hundred um angelic beings.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_05: He's one of several hundred gods who rule this world.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_05: And then they have a myriad of uh demonic hosts underneath them, but he he ain't got god power.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_05: That all of them combined ain't got god power.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_05: They they they got power that looks impressive to us humans.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_05: It's like that that old adage that um until you understand it, science looks like magic.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_05: It's the concept.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_04: Because of the world we live in where we're just there is no magic, also.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_04: But also because we just don't operate in our authority at all.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_01: Not at all.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_05: Very true.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_05: No, we're too busy having I'm sorry, Jess.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_05: Go ahead.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_05: No, go for it.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_05: No, no, no, go for it.
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna finish it.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_05: I was gonna say one of the one of the things we talk about when Jesus is at Caesarea Philip Pie, right?
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_05: Well, was God really establishing his church on Peter?
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_05: What did he mean by that?
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_05: What dude, he was talking about the planet, this rock, the third one from the sun.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_05: That's the that's the rock he said, I'm going to establish my church.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_05: And the gates of hell are not gonna keep them out.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that's what Jesus was talking about.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_05: He wasn't talking about little little Petra, little little pebble guy.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_05: He he was talking about giving us back the authority that we gave to the usurpers um so that we can walk in power, not in our own power, but in his power as his ambassadors, walk in his name so that when we we touch things and agree on them, because we are already established as his ambassadors, already established in his name, it will be done by the Father.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_05: We it we're not invoking Jesus' name as as an incantation to make it so.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_05: We're walking in that power.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_05: And if we it's just like we're in the spiritual warfare, whether we know it or not, we are in it, we are on the battlefield.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_05: And when when you submit yourself to Christ, you are walking in his power, whether you choose to use it or not.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_05: It's up to you.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_05: You got the card, you you you've got the the whatever the platinum card, and and you can access the funds at any time.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_05: And there's billions of dollars in that account.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_05: But you know, if you want to scrounge up your four quarters to buy your burger, well you know, okay, do do it, but you're missing out.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, the thing is like getting back to that my the whole that comment like that that person left on my Instagram thing, like how I it's kind of really cool that people who aren't, you know, in the kingdom, so to speak, or you know, walking with the Lord are experiencing spiritual warfare, have that terminology that they're borrowing or whatever, that they have that terminology and that they're experiencing it.
• 41:00
  SPEAKER_04: That means that they're not far from the kingdom.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like they're actually looking at paranormal investigation.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: They're on that road, paranormal research, you know, cryptid cryptozoology.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: They're looking at it and realizing this is a spiritual battle.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you're halfway there, girl.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_04: Right, right, right now.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Ricky, were you gonna say something?
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of Christians are.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_04: Rick, Ricky, were you gonna say something?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I was.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I don't know how how relevant it is to the conversation because Shell took the the comment a whole different way.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um sorry, French.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_02: Which nobody's.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, it's it's really it's okay.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, sure, I'll share it.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I have two thoughts actually.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um so I was just gonna say, I know that I always bring things back to the ether, but it just really helps me understand reality well.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_02: That's why I always bring it up.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I was thinking about this today.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, by the way, I started writing.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I started like very, very basic ideas for my book, like just kind of just put my thoughts on on digital paper, finally.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was sitting on I was sitting in front of the uh the Gulf of Mexico, yes, not freaking America.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care what map makers say, it's Gulf of Mexico.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um I was sitting on the Gulf of Mexico.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh well it does just that didn't you know that whole controversy, right?
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_02: I know, I know.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_02: I it's I'm joking, of course.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: I don't care either way.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_02: It's gonna fizzle well.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not even paying attention to it.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_05: I can't even you know that there's a governmental reason I know, I know there is so we can mine oil, yeah, in it.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_02: There's there's also some maritime, you know, ancient thing.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't care about either of mine's already.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_02: But you were sitting on the Gulf of Mexico.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_02: I was sitting on the Gulf of Mexico right there in front of the ocean with my computer, and I was typing this stuff up.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_02: And as we were talking about, you know, I always hear everyone it's almost like I know, you know, every you know how you know things are true, but they just sound so cliche and boring to you after a while.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: And and I mean, I don't know if that ever happens to you, but that happens to me sometimes, and I'm just like, yes, I know.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's sort of like when I'm sitting in in church and I'm like, I know the pastor, what he's saying is accurate and true, but I'm just like, yes, I know.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_02: And so sometimes I'm just being honest, you know, that happens to me sometimes.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that happens to me with the whole like the devil can't make anything, he can only twist stuff.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I know that's true, but I've heard it like a bajillion times.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, I get it, I get it, I get it.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I I was thinking about this either today or yesterday, I don't remember when exactly, but it it kind of just came into my mind, and this is the kind of the coolest way that I understand stuff, is when I get a visual in my brain.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: And what's happening is is we we were I was talking to David yesterday, David Paxton, really good buddy of ours.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um you'd really like his stuff.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_02: He's really, really, really intelligent guy, um, and very, very godly.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_02: He was talking, we were talking about the same concept about how things, you know, can be they're only twisted.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: And it was very interesting to me because we were going on this tangent about how, you know, the the uh one of one one of the the the ladies in the Bible study was like, well, she's She's like, I really don't want to get into this whole thing about, you know, ascending the consciousness and stuff like that.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, because God set a plumb line and I don't want to deviate from that.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_02: I came out of that stuff.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not really interested in like super, super delving into it so that I, you know, waste, not waste my time, but you know, really use up a lot of my free time that I could be exploring the word and receiving revelation from God.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, yeah, that's totally valid.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_02: And and it came to me that what happens when when the when the devil or the enemy or the enemies or whatever you want to call them, when these gods twist things, what they're doing is they're they're rending parts of the ether itself so that the ether plays in favor of those that they're currying favor with.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_02: Let me say that a different way.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: When we're trying to obtain something, they kind of wring out the ether just a little bit so that we can get some cool niceties that we can play with and the little bit of power that we can play with, because they're able to do that.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_02: They have access to it where we hardly do.
• 45:07
  SPEAKER_02: We can barely do anything with it because we don't really, you know, it doesn't go both ways.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_02: We're the ones that are locked out for the most part.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_02: And so to me, it just was I was just thinking about that, and and that, and that's really the difference, right?
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_02: Because you you're you're dealing with beings that are trying to kind of manipulate the ether in your favor versus the one that made the ether that can just give you anything he wants to, right?
• 45:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's really the difference.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's the humongous difference.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um and the other thing, I the only other thing I was going to say about what Shell was saying, um we we keep coming back to this, and I don't really know what a good word for it is.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I think that uh Josh really does a really, really cool job of explaining it, just about how beauty draws us in and it really brings us to the creator, right?
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_02: It really makes us reflect on the creator.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_02: And he said something about how we're all different, and one of the blurry, blurry bros said something to the effect of I think it was Nate, he said, um, you know, it's that dude that comes in with that neon jacket, and he's a little bit weird in church, and blah, blah, blah.
• 46:12
  SPEAKER_02: And and I was reflecting on that because he's talking about, you know, having these differences between people.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_02: And I realized that that's the only way for God to express, for us to express the love that God demands of us as a church, is for everyone to be organically different on purpose.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_02: Because if everyone's the same, what does Christ say?
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_02: He says, of course it's easy for you to love that person.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't require anything from you.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_02: So you can't love that person because there's nothing to love past, right?
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_02: If you just enjoy that person's uh company, you know, just because they're exactly like you, well, there's nothing to love past then.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_02: And then there's nothing to love for, right?
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: You're not gonna be able to do that.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_05: Are you loving them or are you loving you?
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent point.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: Excellent point.
• 47:02
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm I all I was gonna say is that diversity and that organicness or that spontaneity in the church is necessary for the progression of the church, for the growth of the church, for the power of Christ to be manifested, right?
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_02: We were we were just talking about how we don't all fit in the same categories.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_02: Well, if you did, then you wouldn't be able to fulfill where you're supposed to be, bro.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_02: Like you you're not, you know, just because you're not in the spotlight doesn't mean that God's not using you, you know.
• 47:30
  SPEAKER_05: What what would be the point?
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 47:32
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_04: Can I I want I want to read this?
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_04: So um I'll probably have to put this in the intro because we never actually even told people what we're talking about.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_04: In theory, um, this I try to like come up with something that will be like a jumping off point that we can all kind of have like we all either watch an episode of something or we have a book or some reference point.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so we were we watched the episode Demons in Design uh with Josh Naydu.
• 48:05
  SPEAKER_04: I hope I'm saying that right, episode 327 on blurry creatures.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_04: So this is that's kind of what this whole point is.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_04: But um, I got his book and I wanted I kind of highlighted this.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_04: I wanted to read this um because he talks about kind of what Ricky, you were saying, like love, right?
• 48:22
  SPEAKER_04: So we're kind of in this whole element of obviously like loving each other.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_04: That's our whole point.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_05: Um they know we're his followers.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 48:32
  SPEAKER_04: Um and so he um so this is from Josh's book, and he quotes Thomas More.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm gonna read that and then I'm gonna read his like little paragraph after.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_04: So it says the quote from Thomas Moore is Yet our culture takes pride in disproving and exploding the sources of enchantment, explaining away one mystery after another.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_04: We have yet to learn we can't survive without enchantment, and that the loss of it is killing us.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_04: And so he cut he says in his paragraph, it was my deafness and my blindness that was killing me, unable to hear the hidden music, unable to see the magic of everyday life.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_04: I had divorced every bit of supernaturalism from its source and explained it away with some kind of counterfeit.
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_04: It was a spirituality without the spirit, a living without a pulse, a feasting without a tongue, but there was a way to be re-enchanted, and it was through the food of love and wonder.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_04: It needed to be experienced, and I needed an entirely new way of being alive.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_05: Like what, bro?
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_05: That's amazing.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_05: Ephesians says uh sorry, Romans, Romans chapter one says um that differently, but it's the same thing.
• 49:52
  SPEAKER_05: It says that all of God's um un invisible, all of God's invisible attributes, yeah, are made known to us through all of his visible creation.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_05: And and that's how it is when I get so I live in the city, we have horrible light pollution.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_05: When I go out to the mountains and I look up at the stars and get to see the stars, the the um the Milky Way, just see the constellations, I'm like it it takes my breath away.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_05: Um when when I look at my grandsons like and I see how fearfully and wonderfully they are made.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_05: And I already know that that I am am in days in the days with them, so I see them change bit by bit, day by day.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_05: But all of their days have already been written in Yahweh's book.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_05: Like I'm like, God, you're a ma you're amazing.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_05: Sometimes he'll do a silly thing.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_05: I so we're the desert, right?
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_05: We get rain maybe maybe 20 days out of the year we get rain.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_05: And we happen to have just started our rainy season, the monsoon season, for which I am so, so grateful.
• 51:28
  SPEAKER_05: But I was driving home uh yesterday in the evening.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_05: It was still light out because again, it's summer in the desert, and I saw a rainbow.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_05: I haven't seen a rainbow, you guys, in months and months and months.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I was just thinking about how it that's his promise.
• 51:48
  SPEAKER_05: And it and it was like, I see you there, God, thank you for that.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_05: I see you rummy.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_04: Are you kidding me, Shelly?
• 51:59
  SPEAKER_04: Every time it rains, I'm like that wacko that like runs outside and is like, is there a rainbow?
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_04: Me, me too.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_02: But it rains so infrequently here.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_02: Do you guys remember that that that video that went viral of that dude where he was like, the double rainbow rain?
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_04: The double rainbow.
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_02: But he was a Christian.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know that?
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: That guy was a Christian.
• 52:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_04: That guy was tripping.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_02: No, he was not.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_02: I watched an interview with that dude.
• 52:24
  SPEAKER_02: He was like, No, it's God's promise.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_02: It was a double rainbow.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm totally serious.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_02: It was very cool.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_04: Because I that video went viral when I was not a Christian.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_04: And so we were all just like, that guy is so that guy is so stoned right now.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_04: And so now we make fun of him for that.
• 52:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like, oh, it's a double rainbow.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's like stoners totally just took that over because they're like, it's a double, it's a triple rainbow.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_04: Aww.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: But I love that.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_04: But you know what?
• 52:50
  SPEAKER_05: So there's something to be said about stoners because I know they're really take delight in every little thing.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_05: And we're all like this is okay, Frank.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_05: Okay.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_05: And and that's where I wanted the TV.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_05: Like the sound of the birds in the trees.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_05: We're like, oh gosh, they're so loud, I can't hear my TV show or whatever.
• 53:16
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_05: And and it's such a beautiful thing.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_05: And I mean stupid merge, pooping on my car.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_05: But it's like it is so easy to reconnect with God.
• 53:32
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_05: You know, it's it's easy to feel dry.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_05: Don't get me wrong.
• 53:36
  SPEAKER_05: I know I've been a Christian for 50 years.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_05: I get it.
• 53:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's it ebbs and flows, it's up and down.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_05: A lot of times it's just you're like, eh.
• 53:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 53:47
  SPEAKER_05: But this this the moment I engage my will to recognize the fingerprints of God, I see them everywhere.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 54:05
  SPEAKER_05: Everywhere.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_05: It's it and it's that easy.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_05: It's so I don't know if you guys have ever suffered from anxiety.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_05: You're American, so probably man.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_05: So I don't know if you know the 54321 method.
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_05: Take take count of five things.
• 54:27
  SPEAKER_05: Uh listen for three things, smell two things, taste one thing, whatever it is.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I don't really remember the thing.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's calming, it's it's it's stunning.
• 54:37
  SPEAKER_05: It makes you mindful.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_05: So it takes you from your fight or flight into your reasoning, is what it does.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_05: And so it takes you out of your feels into your logic.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_05: And I I mean it it's it works.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_05: It works, it's it's it's a great thing, but and it works like that.
• 54:55
  SPEAKER_05: This is is the same thing.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_05: Bless the Lord, oh my soul.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_05: And all that is within me, bless his holy name.
• 55:03
  SPEAKER_05: Bless the Lord, oh my soul, and forget not all his benefits.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_05: He redeemed my life from the pit, he crowned me with idled love and compassion.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_05: He took my sin and cast it from me as far as the east is from the west.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_05: He remembers my frame that I'm but dust.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_05: But dust.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_05: Um he you know, just whatever they are.
• 55:25
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, he gave me my children, he gave me my this, he gave me my this.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_05: Lord, the air smells good.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_05: I happen, I'm I I'm really lucky.
• 55:36
  SPEAKER_05: I get to uh drive past someplace here in El Paso, and I don't know where it is or what they make, but sometimes, guys, it smells like fruity pebbles.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, it's the coolest thing.
• 55:52
  SPEAKER_05: And I'll be driving.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_05: I'm the person who likes to drive her through windows down.
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_05: I may have my AC cranked or I may have my heater cranked, but I will have my windows down too.
• 56:01
  SPEAKER_05: Drives my poor husband nuts.
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_05: He's like, what are you doing?
• 56:04
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I it's a I I'm crunchy.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_05: I admit it.
• 56:08
  SPEAKER_05: I I am a crunchy Christian.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_05: It it is what it is.
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, you know, in good company.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I I like I like my nature, and um, and I'll just be like, oh my goodness, she is a crunchy Christian.
• 56:23
  SPEAKER_04: Hashtag as a as a crunchy as an as an ex serious stoner, I do want to just put that foundation out for everybody that you cannot do it alone.
• 56:34
  SPEAKER_04: But yes, the stoners definitely understand crunchy Christians.
• 56:39
  SPEAKER_04: I do.
• 56:40
  SPEAKER_02: I love it I just want to say uh this phrase that I learned in in Taiwan, I would say it for everything, who is which means the hell are you saying?
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_05: A crunchy Christian.
• 56:54
  SPEAKER_05: You come on, Ricky, you know me well enough.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_05: I am very with nature.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm very nature oriented.
• 57:01
  SPEAKER_04: I understand what Shelly's talking about.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_04: Because when we were when we were in Harpers Ferry, like in right before summer, we went to Harpers Ferry and it was amazing.
• 57:08
  SPEAKER_04: It's like West Virginia.
• 57:09
  SPEAKER_04: So I haven't been out of the I mean, we're in a suburb, but we're still basically in the city.
• 57:14
  SPEAKER_04: So I was like, I have to get out of this place.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_04: We need to go to the mountains.
• 57:17
  SPEAKER_04: And we went to West Virginia, and I literally the entire time was just like, Do you guys smell that?
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_04: Do you smell, do you smell it here?
• 57:26
  SPEAKER_04: And my husband's like, Christina, you have to stop.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_04: You cannot ask people why it smells so good here because they're gonna think you're high.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, But it smells so good.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_04: Jesus, it's the mountain laurel.
• 57:39
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, what smells so good?
• 57:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like Googling, I'm like, what smells really good in West Virginia?
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_04: And like, I mean, that's yeah, like what is it?
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_04: I think it was probably the mountain laurel, but it was like something was in bloom.
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_04: We were on the Appalachian Trail, and it was just like magical, right?
• 57:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so I get it.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, nothing, and that's kind of what in the episode they were talking about.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like, nothing gets us back into connection with our creator, like going into nature.
• 58:05
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 58:06
  SPEAKER_05: Right, exactly.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_05: Because we're living in these prisons, you know, of ugly buildings and asphalt.
• 58:14
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, yes.
• 58:16
  SPEAKER_05: I happen to be one of the I guess rare breed who thinks that the desert is beautiful.
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_05: It is really do.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's beautiful.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_05: I just don't want to be in it.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_05: No, I don't want to go there.
• 58:29
  SPEAKER_05: Uh you guys, yeah.
• 58:31
  SPEAKER_05: We'll talk again when you have snow on the ground.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, baby, I have mountains.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_05: I have mountains surrounding you.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want your scorpions.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want your rattlesnakes.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_05: I don't have scorpions or rattlesnakes where I am, but they do exist.
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_05: And like when I'm when I'm in the fields behind my church, we had VBS last week, and and I was walking my grandson around everywhere, and I was like, Shelly, make sure there's no no snakes.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_05: Because I've come across a rattlesnake out there on the field, scared comprehensive scared the tarnation out of me.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_05: I I call my husband on the cell phone and I'm like, babe, there's a rattlesnake right here by me.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_05: And he's like, Where are you at?
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_05: I'm behind the gym.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_05: Where are you at?
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_05: I'm behind the gym.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_05: Like and I was not doing anything.
• 59:21
  SPEAKER_05: I was sitting there.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_05: You guys, it was beautiful.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_05: It just shedded skin and it was like this greenish color.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_05: It was gorgeous.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_05: I have never been so afraid of did he offer you a piece of fruit?
• 59:34
  SPEAKER_02: No, thank God it did not.
• 59:37
  SPEAKER_05: My gosh.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_05: My my husband comes with a rape, gives it away.
• 59:43
  SPEAKER_05: But um, so I'm like, I'm like looking, are there is there anything?
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_05: I've got to make sure these kids are safe.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_05: You know, I don't want to kid coming across a snake.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_05: And but um we we do we do have those those lovely things.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_05: But I I love the desert and I think it's beautiful.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_05: I think I think the mountains are beautiful.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_05: Drive into Ricky's.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_05: Oh my gosh, you guys, he lives in such a beautiful part of Texas.
• 1:00:13
  SPEAKER_05: He ain't got no mountains, but he has got green things, galore.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_02: We got tons of lakes everywhere, underground caverns with lakes in them and stuff like that.
• 1:00:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, it's it's shell, Shelly, you're making a good point.
• 1:00:28
  SPEAKER_02: We kind of talked about this a little bit last time in our last episode, but but it, you know, I do come back to it, and I think that it, you know, it it bears um remembering and and mention that that you know, like it is true when you go out into nature, you see and you you really do experience God in a different way.
• 1:00:46
  SPEAKER_02: And I think frankly, it's it's what it's what uh I was I was listening to Vicky Joy, actually.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was listening to her episodes, uh her podcast about um parasites and demons.
• 1:00:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_02: Really good stuff.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's a really good thing.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_02: I've not listened to it yet.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_02: You need to go check it out.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 1:01:01
  SPEAKER_02: I will I love Vic.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_02: They they spend a whole episode and a half, or at least a whole episode, just talking about fasting.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I just was like, dude, this is not to steal a phrase, right?
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_02: But this is the way, bro.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this is the way, is like to go back and meet with God.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_02: And and she would she was just talking about different types of fasts.
• 1:01:23
  SPEAKER_02: Like I know that you can fast with just water and stuff, but she was she was like a dry fast, and I was like, Oh, well, that must be without water.
• 1:01:29
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Yeah, but that's also without touching water.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_02: Oh and I went, God don't ask me to do that.
• 1:01:37
  SPEAKER_05: I'll shave my head first.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the deal.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the deal, though.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_02: Vicky said something that was so deep to me, dude.
• 1:01:42
  SPEAKER_02: And it and this and this really harkens to to God's creation and and the magic of all these things, of all things, like the day right before that, or right before that, uh it was um what was on um Lord of the Rings was on, and they were in the enchanted forest with the Ents and stuff, and so I was in that whole vibe too, right?
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_02: But she says that um she did a five-day, at least a five-day fast with no food, no water.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_02: She says, You cannot understand what David meant when he says, My soul longeth after you as the deer panteth for water.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, unless you felt that, you don't know what that desperation for God is.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_02: And so to me, it just was me, it kind of harkens back to that whole, you know, like it it sucks in the moment.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I'm not saying, oh, it's great, you know, but it it it's sort of like your body is experience all experiencing all these things the way God designed it.
• 1:02:44
  SPEAKER_02: Both joyful, suffering, all of it.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like today, I was I was I was trying to to really power through my fat because I'm getting to the point where I'm trying to to build up so I can fast more.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and I was like, I'm gonna fast the whole day, just water.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_02: And by by like three o'clock, like I just I was like, dude, I can barely deal with this.
• 1:03:03
  SPEAKER_02: Like it's it's really hard on your body if you're not used to it anymore.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_02: I drink water.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_02: I'd only been drinking water all day.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's tough.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_02: And so and so uh I was thinking to myself, like, I was thinking to myself, like, man, Lord, it this sucks, but you know, this is I know that I know that that this is gonna produce in me closeness to you.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_02: And I hate it.
• 1:03:28
  SPEAKER_02: I hate that I'm going through this, but I want to be close to you, and I and I want and I know that you're the only ones.
• 1:03:34
  SPEAKER_05: Closeness.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I know I'm like, I know you're the only one that can resolve all these issues I have in my life.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_02: There's nobody else that can do it.
• 1:03:40
  SPEAKER_02: I have to be close to you.
• 1:03:42
  SPEAKER_02: I have to to find a way.
• 1:03:43
  SPEAKER_02: And it's like one of the only things I can do, you know.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_02: There's not very much magic that we can do in the kingdom of God except for fast and pray.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it's crazy what that does.
• 1:03:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, listen, fasting, it wasn't just a Christian thing, it's been on every sort of religion.
• 1:04:02
  SPEAKER_01: I did a seven-day no-food fast.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: And three days into it, I thought I was going to die.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:04:08
  SPEAKER_01: By the fifth day, I wanted to die.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_01: By the seventh day, I was so grateful.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_01: But during that process, I charted all of it.
• 1:04:16
  SPEAKER_01: God spoke to me like I've never been spoken before.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
• 1:04:19
  SPEAKER_01: I woke up at 3 a.m.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_01: with full energy, and God's revealing stuff out of the Bible.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't have a Bible in front of me.
• 1:04:26
  SPEAKER_01: I have nothing.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_01: But what I could tell was happening was I was becoming interlinked with, because I'm familiar with this stuff, with something outside of this world.
• 1:04:37
  SPEAKER_01: That was vision by the same thing.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was hard.
• 1:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: My energy level went from nothing to full tilt energy.
• 1:04:45
  SPEAKER_01: My body dropped like 30 pounds in that seven days.
• 1:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: My mind cleared up to like, you know, it's weird.
• 1:04:52
  SPEAKER_01: You joke around and you say I was seeing sounds, but literally, you were so in tune.
• 1:04:57
  SPEAKER_01: If I would have walked in a forest, everything would have been a whole new level of vibrancy.
• 1:05:01
  SPEAKER_01: So when people have near death experiences and they talk about like colors you you never seen before, smelt the colors.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's bizarre stuff.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: But fasting, that's cool.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: Seven days, I just went cold turkey.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: Me and my brother-in-law did it.
• 1:05:16
  SPEAKER_01: He didn't do it for a critical reason.
• 1:05:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, let's just do it.
• 1:05:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because I was having a lot of gut issues.
• 1:05:22
  SPEAKER_01: It healed everything up.
• 1:05:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh after three days, your body regenerates.
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_05: It does.
• 1:05:27
  SPEAKER_05: Like even medicine, even a crappy medical system, uh uh recognizes the um benefits of fasting.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like cancer patients, you know how they're always like, Oh, you got to maintain your weight, go eat a whole bunch of ice cream.
• 1:05:43
  SPEAKER_01: Your body is positioning itself to lose all of that cancer, all the sacs in your body, all these things, and it removes your appetite so you fast.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_01: Your body is intelligent enough and connected enough to know to do these things.
• 1:05:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it doesn't always.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Wonderfully designed or something, man.
• 1:06:02
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're in a car, man.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: And this car is more in two.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: It's bizarre stuff.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_04: I have to I have to admit though, I I have a hard time pr right now, really, I'm having a hard time just with discipline in general and getting myself back to I mean, I was really so connected with God with hiking.
• 1:06:24
  SPEAKER_04: I would spend like a really good amount of time hiking and then have these like prayer hikes.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_04: And it was awesome.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_04: And I was sticking with it and I was doing it like pretty much every day except Sundays.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_04: And then I just fell off because life happens.
• 1:06:43
  SPEAKER_04: And then I have to admit, like I have a hard time with with just the discipline of doing that.
• 1:06:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I know that if I eat because I I keep getting these little drops of like, you should probably start fasting.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_04: Like fasting is good for you.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_04: You should be doing this.
• 1:06:58
  SPEAKER_04: Like, but then I just know if I do however I do it, by two o'clock, I'm going to murder my whole family.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_02: And so let me let me let me give you some feedback.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_02: And I I know that this is not really the direction we're going, but I really feel this in my spirit.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_02: He always does, right?
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I really feel compelled by the spirit to tell you not to worry about getting it right and perfect.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: You just just try, do it.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you know what?
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_02: I like I was planning to do the whole day, and I could I only was able to go till five.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: And the Lord was like, do it as long as you can.
• 1:07:36
  SPEAKER_02: Because it's obedience, right?
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's what he's doing.
• 1:07:40
  SPEAKER_02: And that's all that God wants.
• 1:07:42
  SPEAKER_02: You know, like he's not demanding um Christina, you gotta do this right now.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's gotta be perfect.
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: And you're gonna you're gonna mess up.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's life is complicated and messy, and it's beautiful.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_02: This big, beautiful, complicated, schmorgish borg of stuff that you don't really have control over all of it.
• 1:08:05
  SPEAKER_02: And then add into it, you have obligations that God never really wanted us to have.
• 1:08:10
  SPEAKER_02: It's just that's that's where we're at.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_04: I know it's crazy, right?
• 1:08:14
  SPEAKER_04: I was thinking about that the other day, like just because I was reading this book, and then there's another book that we're reading for like being like a church, and it's it's all the same stuff, it's all this kind of re-entra reenchantment, you know, getting back to the idea of like being a mystic.
• 1:08:31
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I love that the staff at church is actually like we're having that conversation.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: It's really interesting.
• 1:08:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um but it's it's that whole idea of like, yeah, we weren't designed to live in these concrete jungles.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_04: We weren't designed to be connected to this technology.
• 1:08:48
  SPEAKER_04: We were supposed, we're so far from the garden, but it's okay.
• 1:08:53
  SPEAKER_04: Like we are here for this time.
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_04: It doesn't mean that we just kind of like what you said, Ricky.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it doesn't mean that we have to be like, oh, I give up, everything is terrible.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_04: Look at us, we're these, you know, technology weirdos or whatever, you know.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_04: We're just here and we have to steward what God has given us here.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_00: Right, right, you know.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I just I keep getting back to that instead of being like kind of like you know, lamenting about it, like, oh, I wish I was in this garden, you know.
• 1:09:20
  SPEAKER_04: And it's funny because like I follow all these like, I don't know, these really super crunchy Christian influencers on Instagram.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_02: Good job.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_02: Me too.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_04: They're my people, man.
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's why that's where the sourdough comes in.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like all of these are crunchy.
• 1:09:38
  SPEAKER_05: You are so crunchy.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_05: Be quiet, man.
• 1:09:41
  SPEAKER_05: You were the person I go to about residents.
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you're full of the hell are you talking about?
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: What the hell are you talking about?
• 1:09:53
  SPEAKER_04: But um, but no, it's funny because like this one, I don't know, this one person that I follow, she was like, you know, this is we're we're our all of these like Christian moms are we're done with it.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_04: We're tired of being influencers, like we're getting back to like going and being moms and stuff.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm just like, yeah, that's what you're supposed to be doing.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what happened?
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_04: Why did you give up mom and I don't understand?
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: You forgive up mom and so it's like the influencing.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, are they wearing clothes?
• 1:10:21
  SPEAKER_05: Or how bad did they?
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_04: I think her I think her point is like we're tired of producing and producing and producing.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_05: And I'm like, For people to consume and consume and consume.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_04: Girl, you got into that trap really easy because like that's you can really like I can do that myself.
• 1:10:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like, oh well, I'm I'm a producer.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_04: I have this podcast and I'm produced this at church and I'm doing this.
• 1:10:42
  SPEAKER_04: But every once in a while, I have to get smacked on the hand because God's like, no, but you're uh you're a wife and you're a mother.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_04: Right now, you're my daughter.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_04: Those are priorities, you know, like there's a hierarchy of your household must come.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_04: Exactly.
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_04: So, and he'll he'll use my son all the time because he'll be like, get off this hound, stop scrolling.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, right?
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_04: I'm working, I'm working.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, this is one of the cool things we were talking about earlier, and it just it resurfaced in my mind.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, a lot of Christians don't want the world to encrump on sort of their Christianity and or their kids.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I get that, I understand that.
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: But you know what?
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: This happened earlier in the year for me.
• 1:11:28
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, well, a couple years back, and I remember talking, and you know, whatever.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was going back and forth with how spiritual stuff really seeks out my son, and I can visibly see that Ouija boards like this stuff seeks him out.
• 1:11:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I because every generation in my family has a witch.
• 1:11:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, he's not my blood, but he was grafted in, which is really cool.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I shared that.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna get emotional with you guys this time.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_05: But uh previously we always make Jesse cry.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing it this time, it's not happening.
• 1:12:02
  SPEAKER_04: I should there's someone always cries in the kitchen.
• 1:12:05
  SPEAKER_01: Hey, that's okay.
• 1:12:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's the way it is.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Onions are onions.
• 1:12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Onions are onions.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, whenever I was sharing this back and forth with God, and I'm like, what's going on here?
• 1:12:15
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, You have enough knowledge and wisdom against the dark.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, let the enemy in the gates and close the gates behind him.
• 1:12:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if I ever shared that with you.
• 1:12:26
  SPEAKER_01: And whenever I heard that, I was like, did I just hear that from the voice of God?
• 1:12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, was that God's advice to me?
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_00: Did I just hear that?
• 1:12:33
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, what I came to understand from that point, and it changed a lot of my perspectives of Christianity, is we are not supposed to just keep the gate shut.
• 1:12:42
  SPEAKER_01: These things are going to come, and we got to be prepared.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I will teach that boy everything he wants to know about the occult, and that's the reason he'll stay away from it.
• 1:12:52
  SPEAKER_01: If I withhold him, withhold him, it's going to draw him out of the gate, isn't it?
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so for me, let it in the gate.
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I clearly hear what God's saying.
• 1:13:01
  SPEAKER_01: When I shared that in a church meeting, you would have thought that I was straight up the devil.
• 1:13:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because they were all like, What?
• 1:13:09
  SPEAKER_01: But that's what God shared with me.
• 1:13:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I know that was the voice of God.
• 1:13:12
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:13:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, for me, you know, these beings only have so much potential.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like there, and I I don't have a problem saying this name.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_01: There is a money God that a lot of CEOs, COOs use, and it's mammon.
• 1:13:25
  SPEAKER_01: Have you ever heard of that?
• 1:13:26
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_01: So this being, the way it works, and he's probably one of the most devious money entities that you can work with, is he creates a problem because it's in his jurisdiction, but he gives you the medicinal or the medicine to solve that problem.
• 1:13:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's how he works.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_01: So you sell the problem and the solution.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's correct.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_01: And that's how these beings work.
• 1:13:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ricky was talking about that a little bit, and uh, you know, that was something I wrote down I wanted to come back to.
• 1:13:56
  SPEAKER_01: But like, you know, they work out of the ether, is what you're saying, right?
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Within their jurisdiction and the functionality.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, that's the way these things work.
• 1:14:06
  SPEAKER_01: So if you know these beings, if you know this stuff, it's easy to combat.
• 1:14:10
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of us don't know it, a lot of Christians don't explore.
• 1:14:14
  SPEAKER_01: And for me, you know, curiosity is enchantment.
• 1:14:17
  SPEAKER_01: I always tell like people who are super interesting.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_04: I love that.
• 1:14:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, you know, a lot of people who are coming out of witchcraft and stuff, I always tell them the magic you're seeking is the miracles that God has.
• 1:14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh, that's what it is, man.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Come on over.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_01: My God is will you have worked with these lesser deities that you don't have to put up a yule tree, you don't have to do this crap.
• 1:14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Just come over, it's free.
• 1:14:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they understand the exchange because they're in that, you know.
• 1:14:47
  SPEAKER_04: It's so interesting that you say that because I just heard a podcast today of somebody, it was on the bum podcast.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_04: He had this guy on.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_04: I stopped listening to it because I had to do something else.
• 1:14:57
  SPEAKER_04: But like, um, it's one of Bo Kennedy's most recent episodes, and it's this guy coming out of like psychedelics and all this stuff, and which which like he had some witchcraft stuff, and he said kind of like the same thing where it's like he didn't talk about that, but he talked about like coming out of new age and how you're just kind of chasing and chasing and chasing, and then it's like, well, no, actually, like he said something that I feel like the most supernatural things that he's ever experienced is following Jesus, and it's 100%.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_04: It's just like hands down, you're looking for this magic, you're looking for all this stuff.
• 1:15:33
  SPEAKER_04: You because you want to have the power, but it's so freeing knowing that like I don't have it's so much better, like not having the anxiety, like God took away my anxiety, my depression.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like well, and if you don't do something, right, you're it's not coming back to you.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_01: In witchcraft, there's a thing called a triple thumb roll.
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_01: If you screw something up, that demon's coming back to you, you know.
• 1:15:53
  SPEAKER_02: There's none that that's crazy that you say that, dude.
• 1:15:56
  SPEAKER_02: I I was talking to kind of ever since I've gotten in all this um world, right?
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_02: It was very interesting because I happened to do a gig one day, and it was like a six-hour gig for something that had to do with the city, and we were just there, you know, on standby to interpret for anybody that had any questions or whatever.
• 1:16:15
  SPEAKER_02: And the girl that I was working with and never met her before, she was a Cuban girl, but we just got to talking and she was just sharing with me like how there's all these witch doctors and shamans and stuff in her family, and that her grandfather was uh was uh was a witch, he was a practicing mage, witch, whatever you want to call it.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Warlock, whatever.
• 1:16:35
  SPEAKER_02: Warlock, there you go.
• 1:16:37
  SPEAKER_02: And he he messed something up in the spell buddy, and he he got killed.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, they took his life for their contingency.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, because you're the vessel, you opened it, they have to close it because that's how they operate.
• 1:16:53
  SPEAKER_01: They will take something.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I tell people this all the time they gotta get paid, and blood is currency in the spiritual.
• 1:17:00
  SPEAKER_01: People don't understand that.
• 1:17:02
  SPEAKER_01: That's why the blood of Jesus covers it.
• 1:17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it's super important.
• 1:17:06
  SPEAKER_02: That's why it pays all the debts, man.
• 1:17:08
  SPEAKER_01: That all the debts are paid because it's currency, it's currency.
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's crazy, it's unbelievable, it's beautiful.
• 1:17:15
  SPEAKER_05: It is poof.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: I wanted to say that stuff.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, that was.
• 1:17:20
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you said it, dude.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm glad you said it.
• 1:17:22
  SPEAKER_05: Interesting turn.
• 1:17:24
  SPEAKER_04: Now I'm wondering if there's like somebody asked me that question a while ago.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_04: I can't remember who, but like if there was any witchcraft in my bloodline, and I'm like, I don't know, and I don't know how to find that out.
• 1:17:34
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I definitely dabbled a whole bunch in stuff.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_04: Like fast.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Fast and ask the Lord, and he will show you.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_02: I promise you.
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_02: That's the quickest way to find out.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, it some of the big links are abuse, sexual abuse, alcoholism.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_01: If that's generational, there is witchcraft in that line.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_04: Alcoholism definitely is, yeah.
• 1:17:56
  SPEAKER_01: So there's probably physical abuse or some sort of abuse.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_04: Anger is definitely big, yeah.
• 1:18:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so those ties usually have something, or you know, abortions or that sort of thing, because generational curses.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it is.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's all back to blood.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, it's funny because when I was I I tried to like do some digging, and my mom was like, Well, I had an uncle, she had an uncle that was into like every I think he was just totally like new age.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_04: He was into like everything.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_04: He would go to like Scientology places, like he was really spiritual, and she always jokes like, Oh, he would drive my father crazy because my father was just this angry German man who would like just wake up and cuss.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, and so and then my uncle would come over and he would be like, peace and love.
• 1:18:40
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, did you hear about this?
• 1:18:42
  SPEAKER_04: Come come to this meeting.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_04: But the funny thing is, my mom always talks about how she would go to these like meetings and stuff, and I can't get more out of her.
• 1:18:50
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm always wondering, like, uh, what did you so many of that break it did?
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, break it now.
• 1:18:56
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't even matter.
• 1:18:58
  SPEAKER_05: Doesn't matter how long it was, you break it, you break it with you and over your children.
• 1:19:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I wonder is like, is it does it even matter what's there?
• 1:19:07
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, you know, should I just do a blanket?
• 1:19:11
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you go and just I think you'd probably be even more qualified than I would.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:19:15
  SPEAKER_01: It really depends.
• 1:19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, Christians always say this to me, and I used to teach people who would go to Haiti, missionaries and stuff.
• 1:19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, my wife's cousin owns one of the largest and most Christian um orphanages in Haiti.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:19:29
  SPEAKER_01: So Danita's her name.
• 1:19:31
  SPEAKER_01: You can look her up.
• 1:19:32
  SPEAKER_01: She works with uh Carrie Underwood, all that stuff.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
• 1:19:34
  SPEAKER_01: I just had this conversation today.
• 1:19:37
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we used to teach, they would bring me in to teach about shamanism.
• 1:19:41
  SPEAKER_01: There are a lot of accounts of Christians going there, accepting a wristband, or eating food, or going into someone's house, and they come down immensely sick.
• 1:19:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like they blame it on malaria, they blame it on whatever, they blame it.
• 1:19:57
  SPEAKER_01: The ear.
• 1:19:58
  SPEAKER_01: But the reality is they accepted a gift from a shaman and they didn't know it was a shaman, right?
• 1:20:03
  SPEAKER_01: Could have been a young kid, it could have been a practitioner, but just like a gang member, they got to get initiated.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_01: So they'll give you gifts, they'll hand you stuff, they'll try to trade cash, money, all this stuff.
• 1:20:15
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the big things is you don't touch, you don't take, you don't go in unless God specifically tells you to do that.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Or, you know, you're in a town and you seek it out.
• 1:20:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you seek it out, it's different.
• 1:20:27
  SPEAKER_01: But, you know, a lot of backlash would come and people would say, Well, you know, I believe in Jesus, I have the blood that covers me, blah, blah, blah.
• 1:20:35
  SPEAKER_01: And you can argue that point, but if you accept it, if you take a gift and you accept that covenant, so you just made an agreement, whether you want to say I did or didn't, that's why it's so dangerous to say any name of any being, right?
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like on TV, rock and roll music, video games, yeah.
• 1:20:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's gotta be careful because it doesn't matter who it is, what it is, if you call its name, it's coming.
• 1:21:00
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:21:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's the way it works in this realm.
• 1:21:03
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, you know, I would always teach it.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, for generational curses, it may not bother you, right?
• 1:21:09
  SPEAKER_01: But if you don't break it, and this is why I'm so big on break whatever generational curses you have.
• 1:21:13
  SPEAKER_01: I believe mine was broken with my son because he's not blood, because I believe my bloodline was sought out for witchcraft.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_01: I really do, because every generation has it in my family and it seeks them, it sought me.
• 1:21:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, with that, you know, it may not affect you, but two generations down your line, it may affect them.
• 1:21:32
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta break it.
• 1:21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have the chance to do it, absolutely break it.
• 1:21:37
  SPEAKER_04: I feel like I I feel like I am.
• 1:21:39
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, not just through like salvation.
• 1:21:41
  SPEAKER_04: Like I think, you know, I I don't know how that works.
• 1:21:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's so confusing because then like it's just the deliverance ministry has like made this so confusing.
• 1:21:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's really what it is.
• 1:21:52
  SPEAKER_04: Because then then we could easily get back into what like Ricky and Shelly were talking about was superstition, you know, because now it's like you just said accepting something.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_04: I literally am looking at a necklace that I accepted as a gift from somebody, some lady was making them in my church.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, is that like a weird curse?
• 1:22:08
  SPEAKER_04: Like I could easily go.
• 1:22:10
  SPEAKER_04: Do you know what I'm saying?
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Though I is she a little crunchy or you know, no, no, no, it's happening here.
• 1:22:14
  SPEAKER_01: Okay now.
• 1:22:16
  SPEAKER_04: But do you know what I mean?
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I can I can definitely go that way really quickly, where it's like, I have to throw everything away because what is this?
• 1:22:23
  SPEAKER_04: You know, but then it's like, but then I'm not really then I'm not trusting God.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, it's confusing.
• 1:22:28
  SPEAKER_01: I do a very, very clear cleansing on anything I bring in my house.
• 1:22:32
  SPEAKER_01: So if I get something from Facebook Marketplace, if I do any of these things, I don't sage it, I don't do any of that.
• 1:22:38
  SPEAKER_01: I set it out of my shed.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's not in my building, it's not in my dwelling, and I'll pray over it.
• 1:22:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'll say, God, I just ask if there's anything negative on this, if there's a demon on it, if someone had a very terrible experience, remove it.
• 1:22:51
  SPEAKER_01: And I believe fully through faith that he'll do that.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I'll pray a blessing if it's going to my boy's room or if it's going in our bedroom or wherever in the house of like, I just asked a blessing over this item, Lord, that you just use this for your glory and you're good.
• 1:23:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I say it, I don't always say this stuff out loud.
• 1:23:09
  SPEAKER_01: I pray a lot in my head.
• 1:23:10
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of people don't have a thoughtful prayer life.
• 1:23:14
  SPEAKER_01: Your my your thoughts should be a prayer.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 1:23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:23:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, that's the purest form of worship, in my opinion.
• 1:23:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, whenever I bring stuff, if I get stuff, listen, I I had lamps, um, and this guy got them from all over India, China, and some of these things.
• 1:23:32
  SPEAKER_01: You could go on my TikTok and see this gigantic carousel I built.
• 1:23:36
  SPEAKER_01: Did any of you guys see this?
• 1:23:37
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if I saw the carousel, but I saw I I did at least see one or two of the lamps that you you were looking at, and you were talking about praying over them and stuff like that.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:23:44
  SPEAKER_02: I think you may have talked to us about it because I read consciousness too.
• 1:23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I won't touch certain things with my bare hands because I believe that's an agreement.
• 1:23:54
  SPEAKER_01: I come in an assignment with that.
• 1:23:56
  SPEAKER_01: It has an energy and it will attach, right?
• 1:23:58
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, we had these lamps, and my one guy was like, Man, I'm feeling really dizzy, really nauseous.
• 1:24:03
  SPEAKER_01: He's young, he's 20 some, it was cooler out.
• 1:24:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, that's odd.
• 1:24:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I walked over to where he was and I started feeling it.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's easy to start telling, you know, Christians can pick up on this stuff.
• 1:24:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not hard.
• 1:24:15
  SPEAKER_01: When you go in and you worship in the church, you feel the presence of God, right?
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: So whenever you're dealing around cursed items or dark things or things, you'll feel it.
• 1:24:25
  SPEAKER_01: You'll feel dizzy, you'll feel off-kilter, you'll feel unbalanced, you'll feel pain in your head behind your eyes, nauseous.
• 1:24:33
  SPEAKER_01: Those are the energies these things project.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:24:35
  SPEAKER_04: I I was I was just cleaning a house.
• 1:24:38
  SPEAKER_04: I never do house cleaning anymore.
• 1:24:40
  SPEAKER_04: Like my I that used to be like my I started a business like way before COVID.
• 1:24:45
  SPEAKER_04: Um and it took off really well.
• 1:24:47
  SPEAKER_04: Like it was actually kind of cool.
• 1:24:50
  SPEAKER_04: But then like COVID happened and everything.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, whatever.
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_04: Ruined everything.
• 1:24:53
  SPEAKER_04: But it ended up being like not really where God was taking me anyway.
• 1:24:57
  SPEAKER_04: But so occasionally my mom will get me like these jobs.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_04: This is a house that she's selling.
• 1:25:02
  SPEAKER_04: So she was like, Hey, can you go and just you know clean this house?
• 1:25:05
  SPEAKER_04: So I went in there.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh my gosh, as soon as I and this is like literally today, as soon as I opened the door and walked in, I was like, Where is the serial killer?
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like, what is this place?
• 1:25:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like, I mean, the vibe just hit me.
• 1:25:21
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, and it was so creepy because it actually looked like this guy must have just like taken all he got like a whole bunch of it's this old man, and he got like a whole bunch of furniture and was just like furnishing this place.
• 1:25:33
  SPEAKER_04: But it's all of these, like it looks like when you're in watching the horror movie and they finally figure out who the serial killer is, and this is like his mom's house.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_04: Like it's just so the creepiest place ever.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_04: And I was just like, oh, it feels haunted.
• 1:25:48
  SPEAKER_04: I don't like the way it feels in here.
• 1:25:50
  SPEAKER_04: So I just like I prayed over, you know, I just prayed like the blood of Jesus, and I was like, God, I was like, okay, and then I got it done.
• 1:25:57
  SPEAKER_04: But I felt really I was like annoyed and aggravated the whole rest of the day.
• 1:26:02
  SPEAKER_04: Like it just put me in a bad mood because weird, you know whatever.
• 1:26:06
  SPEAKER_01: This is such a good conversation because most Christians don't realize they experience this.
• 1:26:11
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:12
  SPEAKER_01: You know, some people have chaotic beings living with them and they have no idea, you know, whether that's people they have living with them or items they brought in from garage sales.
• 1:26:24
  SPEAKER_01: You just don't know, man.
• 1:26:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it people go, ha, can items be really blessed?
• 1:26:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's talk about who was it, Elijah's robe?
• 1:26:32
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yes, they can be blessed.
• 1:26:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we could go on the staff, absolutely.
• 1:26:38
  SPEAKER_01: So items can possess blessings and curses.
• 1:26:41
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, we were talking about the woods and stuff.
• 1:26:45
  SPEAKER_01: When I would go do witchcraft, I would go right to the woods.
• 1:26:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was to the woods that's where I was drawn.
• 1:26:51
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, it's weird because I used to be like, are the trees talking to me?
• 1:26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is there some weird connection happening?
• 1:26:59
  SPEAKER_01: And what I learned later on through studying is trees have like a telekinetic uh system that they have to each other.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:27:07
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know if you guys know that.
• 1:27:09
  SPEAKER_01: We know this now.
• 1:27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:27:11
  SPEAKER_01: But one of the things it, you know, I was taught from a mentor way back then is don't listen to the trees.
• 1:27:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I never understood what he meant.
• 1:27:19
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa, he would say, Don't listen to the trees.
• 1:27:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, I don't know what that means.
• 1:27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I was young, I was new.
• 1:27:25
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, wait, like I won't wait like when you I don't know.
• 1:27:29
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, when you were like doing like witchcraft in the woods, he said not to listen to the trees.
• 1:27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Do not listen to the trees because the whisper.
• 1:27:37
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, you're on crack, you know.
• 1:27:40
  SPEAKER_01: But knowing what I know now, are the trees like trying to protect you or are they bad?
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 1:27:47
  SPEAKER_02: He said, Don't listen to the trees.
• 1:27:48
  SPEAKER_04: Are they ends or are they?
• 1:27:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I was gonna tell you, I mean, I I don't dude, I it's it's really we're gonna get into a totally different conversation, which is fine.
• 1:27:59
  SPEAKER_02: I love this conversation.
• 1:28:08
  SPEAKER_05: Don't you ruin it?
• 1:28:11
  SPEAKER_02: So what the hell do you think?
• 1:28:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um for the longest time man, I've been thinking about this and what?
• 1:28:23
  SPEAKER_02: I I the more I think about like Bigfoot, the more I think about other cryptids and what their purpose is.
• 1:28:31
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm not I I'm just not convinced that all cryptids are are evil.
• 1:28:36
  SPEAKER_02: I just don't know.
• 1:28:37
  SPEAKER_02: I just am not on that vibe.
• 1:28:39
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:28:41
  SPEAKER_02: I don't think they're all I think it's the same thing as like uh uh Reynolds, right?
• 1:28:47
  SPEAKER_02: Is his last name, Shell?
• 1:28:48
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Nathan Reynolds.
• 1:28:49
  SPEAKER_02: He says Nathan Reynolds that that hybrids can be saved.
• 1:28:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, well, yeah, I mean, why not?
• 1:28:56
  SPEAKER_02: And and here's the deal.
• 1:28:57
  SPEAKER_02: People people freak out.
• 1:28:58
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if you've heard this.
• 1:29:00
  SPEAKER_02: Stop fallen angels.
• 1:29:01
  SPEAKER_02: That yeah, that's a that's a hard pass on that one for sure.
• 1:29:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um those guys made the decision.
• 1:29:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Here's the deal.
• 1:29:15
  SPEAKER_02: If a hybrid, the problem is that their DNA is corrupted.
• 1:29:20
  SPEAKER_02: What does Christ say about humanity?
• 1:29:23
  SPEAKER_02: He says that we have we are renewed, uh, that we're changed by the renewing of our mind.
• 1:29:30
  SPEAKER_02: That God constantly is literally modifying us.
• 1:29:35
  SPEAKER_05: He takes our sin and clothes us with his righteousness.
• 1:29:39
  SPEAKER_05: Righteousness.
• 1:29:40
  SPEAKER_05: We have we have an amazing, we have a good trade.
• 1:29:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's a good trade.
• 1:29:45
  SPEAKER_01: Go preach to all creatures, right?
• 1:29:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:29:49
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:29:50
  SPEAKER_01: Preach to all the world.
• 1:29:53
  SPEAKER_05: Not even just to all the world, to to all creatures that it literally says talking to bugs.
• 1:30:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, come on, what's he talking about?
• 1:30:02
  SPEAKER_01: That may be a little more different than what the Greek now start start you're right.
• 1:30:08
  SPEAKER_02: Look at it in Aramaic, please.
• 1:30:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I think that's concordance right behind me.
• 1:30:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, there you go.
• 1:30:15
  SPEAKER_03: I got strong's right here.
• 1:30:16
  SPEAKER_02: I really do.
• 1:30:18
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, I legit believe like it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to me that we live in this complex world where where we don't know all the answers.
• 1:30:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's another thing, right?
• 1:30:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's another thing about fasting and all this stuff is like fasting is good for you because it brings you front and center before Christ and makes you realize the tininess of your being.
• 1:30:40
  SPEAKER_02: It makes you humble, it makes you repentant, it makes you seek God because you realize back where it's supposed to be.
• 1:30:49
  SPEAKER_05: Exactly.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:30:50
  SPEAKER_02: And that and that to me is kind of front and center when we're thinking about topics like this.
• 1:30:55
  SPEAKER_02: Like we think we're the we're we're the bees' knees, and then we're gonna come in and we're gonna raise hell and fix everything.
• 1:31:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's God's like, dude, just chill for a second, bro.
• 1:31:05
  SPEAKER_05: Just got me planned.
• 1:31:07
  SPEAKER_02: Let me let me use you, and then you know, we'll fit in some of those cool designs you've got planned.
• 1:31:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we'll take care of it, it's all good.
• 1:31:14
  SPEAKER_02: You know, but but we I think we live in such a complex world that that now that we're we're in a modern era, we want to make everything as absolutely reductionist as possible.
• 1:31:27
  SPEAKER_05: Simplify, simplify, simplify, simplify.
• 1:31:30
  SPEAKER_02: That's a dog-headed priest.
• 1:31:32
  SPEAKER_02: What's that?
• 1:31:33
  SPEAKER_02: The dog headed priest, yes.
• 1:31:36
  SPEAKER_02: Dude, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:31:37
  SPEAKER_02: And so here's my thing.
• 1:31:39
  SPEAKER_02: People have even asked, well, what if I have Nephilim jeans?
• 1:31:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, well, who cares?
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_02: Probably do.
• 1:31:43
  SPEAKER_02: If you've got any fix you, whatever.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 1:31:45
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, what?
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Hold on.
• 1:31:46
  SPEAKER_04: Wait, you guys lost me a dog headed priest.
• 1:31:49
  SPEAKER_05: Uh Google that we're that's another that's a a topic for another day.
• 1:31:56
  SPEAKER_02: It's very short, but you could you should definitely look it up.
• 1:31:58
  SPEAKER_02: It's basically the Saint Benjamin.
• 1:32:00
  SPEAKER_02: I can't remember.
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_05: Is it Benjamin?
• 1:32:01
  SPEAKER_05: I was thinking no, it's Christopher, but I'm probably wrong.
• 1:32:05
  SPEAKER_01: They use all those old world boring names.
• 1:32:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:32:09
  SPEAKER_04: The dog headed saint.
• 1:32:10
  SPEAKER_04: Saint Christopher.
• 1:32:11
  SPEAKER_01: It is Christopher.
• 1:32:13
  SPEAKER_01: He's good job.
• 1:32:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know what I said.
• 1:32:16
  SPEAKER_04: The dog-headed saint is Saint Christopher.
• 1:32:18
  SPEAKER_04: In some Eastern Orthodox icons, he is depicted with the head of a dog.
• 1:32:22
  SPEAKER_04: This imagery is not universally accepted within the Orthodox Church.
• 1:32:25
  SPEAKER_05: Well, why would it be it's supernatural?
• 1:32:29
  SPEAKER_02: It also confronts a lot of paradigms like head first, right?
• 1:32:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like it makes it very uncomfortable.
• 1:32:36
  SPEAKER_04: I feel I feel like I I learned about Saint Christopher because of Timothy Renner.
• 1:32:43
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I don't know if you guys know his podcast.
• 1:32:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um sounds familiar.
• 1:32:48
  SPEAKER_04: So he's been on um so hold on.
• 1:32:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna look up the one that it's so his podcast is Strange Familiars, and I've had him on my show.
• 1:32:59
  SPEAKER_04: But he has another one that is called, oh my gosh, what is it?
• 1:33:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's a really cool um so it's strange familiars, and there's another one.
• 1:33:09
  SPEAKER_04: But he he goes into like this the lives of the saints, and he talked about uh St.
• 1:33:14
  SPEAKER_04: Christopher being dogheaded.
• 1:33:16
  SPEAKER_04: I'm pretty sure that's where I heard it.
• 1:33:17
  SPEAKER_02: I wonder if he was on the the confessionals, because I think that's where I first heard about a dog headed.
• 1:33:22
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, Dig.
• 1:33:24
  SPEAKER_04: Gentlemen Merkle talks.
• 1:33:25
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think Timothy Renner Renner's been on the confessionals.
• 1:33:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, well I know that I know that Merkel does gym too.
• 1:33:30
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they have a lot of dogs.
• 1:33:32
  SPEAKER_05: They had everything headed.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 1:33:34
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 1:33:35
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's they built very big tombs to bury them all.
• 1:33:40
  SPEAKER_05: So or something.
• 1:33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Or something.
• 1:33:43
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, Rick, are you done?
• 1:33:45
  SPEAKER_05: Because I want to chime in here.
• 1:33:47
  SPEAKER_05: This is something God put on my heart yesterday, and now I see why.
• 1:33:51
  SPEAKER_05: Go for it.
• 1:33:52
  SPEAKER_05: Um so I was watching uh podcasts on YouTube.
• 1:34:01
  SPEAKER_05: So something different came on, it just autoplayed, and it was actually really good.
• 1:34:06
  SPEAKER_05: Um, she's some Christian podcast chick who came out of the occult.
• 1:34:11
  SPEAKER_05: And she had three other women who all have have been redeemed out of the occult as well.
• 1:34:18
  SPEAKER_05: And they they were talking uh about the Jezebel spirit, because you know she is the the very popular she's very popular right now.
• 1:34:26
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:34:27
  SPEAKER_05: She's born cover me in Jesus' name.
• 1:34:33
  SPEAKER_01: Go ahead and continue.
• 1:34:34
  SPEAKER_05: So they were talking about um witchcraft in the church, and I thought we've been there, done that.
• 1:34:42
  SPEAKER_05: We already had that episode.
• 1:34:44
  SPEAKER_05: No, I didn't.
• 1:34:45
  SPEAKER_05: It was really good.
• 1:34:46
  SPEAKER_05: Uh uh, although I did kind of think that for a moment.
• 1:34:48
  SPEAKER_05: Look at us being ahead of the curve, right, Jess?
• 1:34:52
  SPEAKER_05: Right, right, right.
• 1:34:53
  SPEAKER_05: But um yeah, with Jesse, yeah, and back in October, I I can actually pull details for that.
• 1:35:01
  SPEAKER_05: Usually I can't, but um so they were talking about uh possibly people in the church, people outside of the church hex hexing them, doing a curse, right?
• 1:35:14
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and um, and then they you know it was it was a really good conversation, actually.
• 1:35:21
  SPEAKER_05: Um I don't have any any qualms or quarrels with it.
• 1:35:26
  SPEAKER_05: But like God just told me, guys, I already told you how to take care of it.
• 1:35:35
  SPEAKER_05: I told you how when the disciples asked Jesus how do we pray?
• 1:35:41
  SPEAKER_05: And he said, This is how you pray, our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
• 1:35:48
  SPEAKER_05: Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors.
• 1:35:53
  SPEAKER_05: Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.
• 1:35:58
  SPEAKER_05: For yours is the power and the glory.
• 1:36:02
  SPEAKER_05: And and I mean, I don't think we have to quote it.
• 1:36:05
  SPEAKER_05: As a matter of fact, I think it loses uh its uh uh meaning to us when we quote it all the time.
• 1:36:12
  SPEAKER_05: But his his template for us to pray daily, maybe sometimes multiple times a day, is uh Lord, you're freaking awesome.
• 1:36:25
  SPEAKER_05: I don't have all the words to describe your majesty in in your your cosmic superiority over all things.
• 1:36:33
  SPEAKER_05: I am in awe of you.
• 1:36:35
  SPEAKER_05: I want my day, I want my life to align with you.
• 1:36:38
  SPEAKER_05: Let me let me glorify you, let me sh let me reflect you and shine to the people around me.
• 1:36:45
  SPEAKER_05: Lord, give me what I need for today.
• 1:36:48
  SPEAKER_05: Lord, help me to forgive anybody I need to forgive.
• 1:36:51
  SPEAKER_05: Is he forgive me because I want to pass that on?
• 1:36:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um Lord, lead me not into temptation, which he wouldn't do anyhow.
• 1:36:59
  SPEAKER_05: So it basically means uh help me to follow you because I know I'll never be in temptation if you follow me.
• 1:37:05
  SPEAKER_05: I'm not testing off trials, but those are different than temptation and deliver us from evil.
• 1:37:11
  SPEAKER_05: Whatever thing has come my way that I don't know about that's put me in a funk, or that somebody is trying to to curse me with, I don't need to know what it is.
• 1:37:22
  SPEAKER_05: You know what it is, deliver me from evil.
• 1:37:26
  SPEAKER_05: And and I think how many of us think to pray um according to that template why why is it that Jesus told us this is how you pray?
• 1:37:40
  SPEAKER_05: We pray in this because how many times are things our slings and arrows thrown at us, our our curses put on us, is something come across our path that that is that is jujued?
• 1:37:54
  SPEAKER_05: Um we don't know.
• 1:37:55
  SPEAKER_05: We don't know.
• 1:37:56
  SPEAKER_05: It's a couple of things.
• 1:37:57
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know, but I know that if I ask God every day if if these are the the points I hit in my prayer, different verbiage, you know, obviously.
• 1:38:10
  SPEAKER_05: But I don't I don't know of a place I'm not covered.
• 1:38:16
  SPEAKER_05: I'm covered right it it before and behind on the left and the right, above and below.
• 1:38:21
  SPEAKER_05: I'm I'm covered.
• 1:38:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'm St.
• 1:38:23
  SPEAKER_05: Patrick inside and out.
• 1:38:26
  SPEAKER_05: So um, like God has just had that on my heart.
• 1:38:29
  SPEAKER_05: And that's you know, I ended up uh uh going in the chat on that YouTube video and putting that.
• 1:38:37
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if they're gonna read it or not.
• 1:38:38
  SPEAKER_05: We all know who was it?
• 1:38:40
  SPEAKER_04: Do you feel like saying it or do you not remember it?
• 1:38:41
  SPEAKER_05: I don't remember.
• 1:38:42
  SPEAKER_05: I don't I would have no problem with it.
• 1:38:45
  SPEAKER_05: It wasn't somebody like Melissa Doherty, because I know her, you know.
• 1:38:49
  SPEAKER_05: It was Do you really?
• 1:38:50
  SPEAKER_05: I love it.
• 1:38:51
  SPEAKER_05: No, not not personally.
• 1:38:52
  SPEAKER_05: Not personally.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_05: She's fantastic.
• 1:38:54
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, she's real cool.
• 1:38:56
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, but um, whoever it was, you know, it just it it was not a bad podcast.
• 1:39:01
  SPEAKER_05: And I can go and look at my YouTube history and tell you, I'll let you know.
• 1:39:05
  SPEAKER_04: That's very popular at these days.
• 1:39:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like we we like to come out of the witchcraft and then we like to talk about all the things that are happening in the witchcraft in the church and stuff like that.
• 1:39:14
  SPEAKER_05: Because church bashing has become a pastime for Christians, yeah.
• 1:39:18
  SPEAKER_05: And it makes me physically ill.
• 1:39:22
  SPEAKER_05: I'm so upset about it.
• 1:39:24
  SPEAKER_05: Because it's gossip.
• 1:39:26
  SPEAKER_05: It well, it is.
• 1:39:30
  SPEAKER_05: I know I calling out sin.
• 1:39:32
  SPEAKER_05: I I get that.
• 1:39:34
  SPEAKER_05: But bashing the the assembling together of ourselves, yeah.
• 1:39:41
  SPEAKER_05: Christ told us to do it.
• 1:39:43
  SPEAKER_05: And more and more as we see the day approach.
• 1:39:46
  SPEAKER_05: And church isn't fun for me.
• 1:39:48
  SPEAKER_05: A, I don't do well with people, with crowds of people, ever.
• 1:39:53
  SPEAKER_05: I'm always always, every single time, even if I am leading the Bible study, I'm the odd man out, as far as I'm concerned.
• 1:40:02
  SPEAKER_05: It's how I feel always.
• 1:40:04
  SPEAKER_05: I don't go to church to be served, I go to service to serve.
• 1:40:09
  SPEAKER_05: I don't like it, but it's what I do because I'm called to do it.
• 1:40:14
  SPEAKER_05: Go ahead, Jess.
• 1:40:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, coming out of this, and again, I did the ministry for 15 years, the bureaucracy and politics, and I think this is what people it sucks.
• 1:40:26
  SPEAKER_01: And it's not right.
• 1:40:28
  SPEAKER_01: Church was not meant to be the Constantine style that we have today.
• 1:40:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was meant to be what we're doing right here in Jesus, where two or three are gathered in my name.
• 1:40:37
  SPEAKER_01: I am amongst them, I am with them.
• 1:40:39
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, the gathering in Hebrews, when it's referring to that, that's a small gathering.
• 1:40:44
  SPEAKER_05: That's not sort of like 500 people, mega church, right?
• 1:40:48
  SPEAKER_01: Listen, the skinny genes and smoke machines aren't doing it anymore.
• 1:40:52
  SPEAKER_01: We're not supposed to be the world, we're not supposed to imitate.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_05: Absolutely.
• 1:40:56
  SPEAKER_05: And we're not supposed to give a uh counterfeit if we kick the holy spirit spirit out of it so we could hit our agenda and hit our talking points.
• 1:41:06
  SPEAKER_05: That's right.
• 1:41:07
  SPEAKER_01: And listen, I was every minister you could be from lead pastor the whole way down.
• 1:41:13
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, what you learn really quick is it becomes very bureaucracy driven.
• 1:41:18
  SPEAKER_01: What the board wants, I was an AG master.
• 1:41:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:41:21
  SPEAKER_01: What the board wants is what the board wants.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:41:23
  SPEAKER_01: You can't say this, you can't say this.
• 1:41:26
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't think it's so much gossip.
• 1:41:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's more people are done with that.
• 1:41:30
  SPEAKER_01: They're just done.
• 1:41:31
  SPEAKER_01: They just want genuine visits.
• 1:41:32
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, who wants that?
• 1:41:34
  SPEAKER_05: Nobody wants it.
• 1:41:35
  SPEAKER_01: So what we do is not I shouldn't say nobody, but I mean not congregants.
• 1:41:42
  SPEAKER_05: The ones that cong congregants don't want it.
• 1:41:45
  SPEAKER_05: But so then what are we supposed to do?
• 1:41:48
  SPEAKER_01: We are supposed to go do it, man.
• 1:41:50
  SPEAKER_01: This is spirit-led.
• 1:41:52
  SPEAKER_05: I mean, I don't disagree with that at all.
• 1:41:54
  SPEAKER_05: That's that's why we're here.
• 1:41:56
  SPEAKER_05: But also, we are supposed to be the salted light, even in our church.
• 1:42:01
  SPEAKER_05: And it sucks.
• 1:42:02
  SPEAKER_05: I'll tell you straight up, it sucks.
• 1:42:04
  SPEAKER_05: I have been I have been the fish swimming the other way, telling people this is not the way.
• 1:42:11
  SPEAKER_05: Church should be done around the table, you don't get lost in the faces.
• 1:42:16
  SPEAKER_05: And it was really hard because I was I was the guy banging the drum, and everybody else was saying, shut up, Shelly.
• 1:42:22
  SPEAKER_05: And I get it.
• 1:42:24
  SPEAKER_05: But what I have seen.
• 1:42:26
  SPEAKER_05: Get a shirt that says that.
• 1:42:27
  SPEAKER_05: I know, shut up, Shelly.
• 1:42:28
  SPEAKER_05: Crunching Christian, crunching Christian, crunching Christian, firebringer.
• 1:42:33
  SPEAKER_05: You what the heck, whosoever.
• 1:42:35
  SPEAKER_02: You can get a subtitle underneath it says go on Sancho.
• 1:42:39
  SPEAKER_05: What are you talking about?
• 1:42:40
  SPEAKER_05: But I it took years and it was hard, and it was lonely.
• 1:42:44
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and sometimes it's still lonely.
• 1:42:47
  SPEAKER_05: But I have watched my church, my my my church that I've been at since 2002 uh transform.
• 1:42:59
  SPEAKER_05: Um, I have a pastor who would we're no longer we're A G, but we're not A G.
• 1:43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we yeah, we can't uh yeah.
• 1:43:08
  SPEAKER_05: Uh that's I get it.
• 1:43:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird.
• 1:43:10
  SPEAKER_05: So I'm AG uh Benny preaches the word of God unapologetically.
• 1:43:16
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:43:17
  SPEAKER_05: And there are times that it gets uncomfortable.
• 1:43:21
  SPEAKER_05: And I think we should we should be comfortable with our discomforts, which I know is an oxymoron.
• 1:43:27
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I I don't think I could agree possibly anymore.
• 1:43:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh it's it it's really important not to to crap on the church.
• 1:43:35
  SPEAKER_02: It's also, you know, I'm totally in in in favor of of reforming a lot of things too, though, right?
• 1:43:40
  SPEAKER_05: Like I'm like, man, it needs it.
• 1:43:42
  SPEAKER_02: It needs for sure.
• 1:43:44
  SPEAKER_02: It's absolutely essential.
• 1:43:45
  SPEAKER_02: Actually, but but I will say, um, regarding all this, man, this is gonna be like two totally separate episodes now that I'm thinking about it.
• 1:43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it's great.
• 1:43:53
  SPEAKER_02: Shannon, I mean, come on.
• 1:43:55
  SPEAKER_02: I haven't had a good episode like this in a long time.
• 1:43:57
  SPEAKER_05: Uh go jubus, you go.
• 1:43:59
  SPEAKER_02: Go, jeebus, you go today, this morning, uh, as as every Friday, oh, almost every Friday, we we have uh a men's breakfast and sorry, men's uh devotional.
• 1:44:08
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I didn't have any stinking early.
• 1:44:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's too early.
• 1:44:14
  SPEAKER_02: It's like six in the morning.
• 1:44:15
  SPEAKER_02: Um but that's you know, that's that's when you have time to meet.
• 1:44:18
  SPEAKER_02: When you're a dude, that's when you got time.
• 1:44:19
  SPEAKER_02: That's all right.
• 1:44:20
  SPEAKER_02: I gave them I I have bought a copy of Michael Heiser's Unseen Realm for my pastor.
• 1:44:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I'm giving him for his birthday.
• 1:44:30
  SPEAKER_03: Nice! Good job.
• 1:44:32
  SPEAKER_03: Good call, Rick.
• 1:44:34
  SPEAKER_02: I agree, right?
• 1:44:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and two things here.
• 1:44:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh I realized today we were talking about Cain when, like right before he kills his brother, right?
• 1:44:44
  SPEAKER_02: And what really impacted me was what when we started actually breaking down what God says to Cain is wild.
• 1:44:53
  SPEAKER_02: He says, Why are you so angry?
• 1:44:57
  SPEAKER_02: And so we go back and we really look at the meaning of so angry.
• 1:45:01
  SPEAKER_02: And so angry means why are you stewing on this anger?
• 1:45:06
  SPEAKER_02: He says, You either get it in check or it's gonna get you in check and it's gonna own you.
• 1:45:12
  SPEAKER_02: And sure enough, it owns him.
• 1:45:13
  SPEAKER_05: Cranches at the door.
• 1:45:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, I know it's gross.
• 1:45:18
  SPEAKER_05: Like something that wants to rape you.
• 1:45:21
  SPEAKER_05: That I probably shouldn't have said that word.
• 1:45:23
  SPEAKER_05: I know it's gonna hit the algorithm, Lord.
• 1:45:25
  SPEAKER_05: What about help?
• 1:45:26
  SPEAKER_01: Did we say something?
• 1:45:27
  SPEAKER_05: Right?
• 1:45:28
  SPEAKER_05: But that's that's what it means.
• 1:45:31
  SPEAKER_05: It's it's it's trigger warm.
• 1:45:33
  SPEAKER_05: It wants the grapes, I know, it wants the grapes of yours.
• 1:45:37
  SPEAKER_02: So as we're reading that, the Holy Spirit says to me, That same anger that that was in Cain, that was stirring in Cain, that's how you feel about your pastor sometimes.
• 1:45:47
  SPEAKER_02: And you need to repent.
• 1:45:49
  SPEAKER_02: And I was right there in the hot seat right there.
• 1:45:51
  SPEAKER_02: I was chatting, right next to my pastor, we're chatting.
• 1:45:53
  SPEAKER_02: And I said, You're absolutely right, Lord.
• 1:45:56
  SPEAKER_02: I have to repent.
• 1:45:57
  SPEAKER_02: And I don't know, I think I've told you guys this a while ago, but I have felt really compelled.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_02: So that's one.
• 1:46:03
  SPEAKER_02: So God is totally like, you know, it's very important to really not crap on your church and do everything that's possible to to lift it up and and and let the Lord deal with you where you're wrong.
• 1:46:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's very difficult.
• 1:46:15
  SPEAKER_02: It's very difficult.
• 1:46:16
  SPEAKER_02: It is very, very challenging.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yep.
• 1:46:18
  SPEAKER_02: But there are there are some silver linings where you're just like, God, I see that you're doing this.
• 1:46:24
  SPEAKER_02: This is wild.
• 1:46:25
  SPEAKER_02: So uh two weeks ago, a week or two weeks ago, my the the um assistant pastor, she asks me, she's been she works with the youth a lot, and she asked me, Hey, would you would you you know kind of help me with this this class on Wednesday?
• 1:46:42
  SPEAKER_02: I happened to be there that Wednesday, and I was like, Yeah, sure, absolutely.
• 1:46:45
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, Well, uh, we're gonna talk about, she's like, I I I was talking to the youth about the the the armor of God and everything, but they when I asked them for feed that feedback, they were like, uh, Jesus is love.
• 1:46:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'm God.
• 1:47:00
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I um so I was like, Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:47:05
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, I want you to talk about Satan.
• 1:47:08
  SPEAKER_02: Can you talk about who our adversary is?
• 1:47:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I was like, oh, oh now I can definitely talk about that.
• 1:47:16
  SPEAKER_02: So I broke it down.
• 1:47:17
  SPEAKER_02: I even gave them examples.
• 1:47:19
  SPEAKER_02: I go to Hispanic Church guys, which is largely Mexican, and so I explained w how the Aztecs and the Mayans worshiped Satan and how he formed their civilization and how he formed their culture in a way that was beneficiary to them, but also beneficial to him.
• 1:47:36
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 1:47:37
  SPEAKER_05: Um as you do.
• 1:47:38
  SPEAKER_02: As you do.
• 1:47:39
  SPEAKER_02: So we go through this, and it was really cool.
• 1:47:42
  SPEAKER_02: I actually got some of the youth to like come ask me questions after class about stuff.
• 1:47:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know, um, it was really, really cool.
• 1:47:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's something that's been on my heart for a long time because I'm like, dude, I like we need to talk about this supernatural worldview about the heavenly court of God and why it's important.
• 1:47:58
  SPEAKER_02: They need the meat.
• 1:47:59
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, they do.
• 1:48:00
  SPEAKER_02: But but it's really it's the meat.
• 1:48:02
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, it is the meat.
• 1:48:03
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that that's fair.
• 1:48:04
  SPEAKER_02: That's a fair assessment.
• 1:48:06
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I was gonna say something else, but I'm like, well, no, that's accurate.
• 1:48:09
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because they're already exposed to it online.
• 1:48:12
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, there's no and there's no getting away from it.
• 1:48:14
  SPEAKER_05: We need to quit pretending like it doesn't exist.
• 1:48:17
  SPEAKER_04: And stop talking to them about dating and stuff that's stupid.
• 1:48:21
  SPEAKER_01: No, get rid of the life skills.
• 1:48:22
  SPEAKER_01: We need no, no, get rid of the life skills for like eight of those years.
• 1:48:28
  SPEAKER_04: My ten-year-old can probably sit and explain the full armor of God to you, you know.
• 1:48:32
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, come on, like good friend, man.
• 1:48:34
  SPEAKER_02: That's awesome.
• 1:48:35
  SPEAKER_04: Well, maybe not, maybe, but you know what I'm saying.
• 1:48:37
  SPEAKER_02: Probably at least a little bit.
• 1:48:38
  SPEAKER_04: A little bit.
• 1:48:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like you can wrestle.
• 1:48:41
  SPEAKER_02: And so something go him, man.
• 1:48:44
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so we're we're finiting, we finish up, and you know, I was talking to my to the co-pa the uh assistant pastor, and we're just chatting.
• 1:48:52
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, that's really interesting, this and that.
• 1:48:54
  SPEAKER_02: She's like, I didn't know this particular portion, I didn't know this.
• 1:48:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, yeah, go read it for yourself, go check it out, you know, whatever.
• 1:49:00
  SPEAKER_02: And uh so the next day, she sends me a text message, guys, and she goes, Ricky, what and she was I I love her to death, man.
• 1:49:07
  SPEAKER_02: She's so respectful.
• 1:49:08
  SPEAKER_02: She sends me a text message, but she includes it in a in a group text with my wife, so she doesn't feel so sweet.
• 1:49:14
  SPEAKER_02: Right, like she's being very respectful.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:49:17
  SPEAKER_05: Yep, abstain from she goes in an elevator with woman.
• 1:49:21
  SPEAKER_02: There you go, dude.
• 1:49:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm not even joking about that.
• 1:49:24
  SPEAKER_02: I get you.
• 1:49:25
  SPEAKER_05: There's a way.
• 1:49:26
  SPEAKER_02: Um, this is do we so she says, Ricky, I need to sit down and talk to you about angels and demons.
• 1:49:35
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't I didn't say a word to her, I just sent back a laughing emoji as a response because I was like, absolutely, dude, whenever you want.
• 1:49:43
  SPEAKER_02: I'm totally game.
• 1:49:44
  SPEAKER_02: Like, we can talk about all this stuff, any of the stuff that you want to, anytime.
• 1:49:48
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I I live for it.
• 1:49:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's it's what gives meat to the bones of the gospel, man.
• 1:49:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's right.
• 1:49:56
  SPEAKER_02: It fills in the gas.
• 1:50:00
  SPEAKER_05: And in the physical church, that's such a pain to be in sometimes.
• 1:50:06
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it is.
• 1:50:06
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm not don't don't ever think I'm anti, you know, brick and mortar.
• 1:50:10
  SPEAKER_01: I I try to go after people who will never step foot in a church.
• 1:50:14
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:50:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's a mission.
• 1:50:16
  SPEAKER_05: Heck yeah, man.
• 1:50:17
  SPEAKER_05: It's a mission field.
• 1:50:18
  SPEAKER_05: 100% it is.
• 1:50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to get paid for preaching.
• 1:50:21
  SPEAKER_01: And I did for a while.
• 1:50:22
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, I exited that as soon as I started getting paychecks.
• 1:50:27
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, you know, three years of this.
• 1:50:29
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm pretty good up to that point.
• 1:50:31
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I was an AG minister, you know, you know, licensed North.
• 1:50:39
  SPEAKER_04: I have to say, I'm still I have to always say this.
• 1:50:42
  SPEAKER_04: Like, my church is great and I work there, and it's not that's because you're paying.
• 1:50:46
  SPEAKER_01: No, joke out, joke out, have fun.
• 1:50:50
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's the old minister joke.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 1:50:52
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's I mean, I honestly it's it's because it's spirit led and and my pastor, my lead pastor is obedient.
• 1:50:59
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a lot of good AG churches.
• 1:51:02
  SPEAKER_01: I can't say a bad thing.
• 1:51:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I literally thanked him Monday.
• 1:51:05
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, you know, like God just put it right on my heart.
• 1:51:07
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, thank you for hiring me because I'm an idiot and I am not qualified to do any of this.
• 1:51:12
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like a lovey big hippie, and I'm like, you know.
• 1:51:16
  SPEAKER_04: Crunchy Christian.
• 1:51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Crunchy Christian.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:51:20
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, I'm my job title is Resident Hippie.
• 1:51:23
  SPEAKER_04: That's what he resident hippie.
• 1:51:25
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, that's exactly what my job is.
• 1:51:26
  SPEAKER_04: I get it.
• 1:51:27
  SPEAKER_05: My people, my people are too sweet to even be able to verbalize what they think of me.
• 1:51:36
  SPEAKER_05: I know I'm a crunchy Christian.
• 1:51:38
  SPEAKER_05: It doesn't hurt my feelings, not a bit.
• 1:51:40
  SPEAKER_05: It's I wear that nomiker proudly.
• 1:51:44
  SPEAKER_05: I love it.
• 1:51:45
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, I my whole thought for my career in Christianity was to go down south and go right to the Bible belt.
• 1:51:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was going to go straight to Texas when I got it done with the schooling.
• 1:51:58
  SPEAKER_01: You're welcome.
• 1:51:59
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was Northern University uh through the AG because we used to do fine arts.
• 1:52:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you guys have that program.
• 1:52:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to Nationals on all my preaching.
• 1:52:10
  SPEAKER_01: Every year I went to Nationals.
• 1:52:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we went to all that stuff, and I'm not breaking on myself.
• 1:52:14
  SPEAKER_01: This is just the testimony of what God did.
• 1:52:16
  SPEAKER_05: I I happen to listen to you speak a lot, so I can see why.
• 1:52:21
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate that.
• 1:52:22
  SPEAKER_01: I try to do that.
• 1:52:24
  SPEAKER_05: It's not flattery at all.
• 1:52:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's just fact.
• 1:52:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's a God thing.
• 1:52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Everything I have with that, that's a gift straight from God.
• 1:52:31
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 1:52:32
  SPEAKER_01: I never asked for it.
• 1:52:33
  SPEAKER_01: I found out I had it in like eighth grade.
• 1:52:36
  SPEAKER_01: But whenever I was doing this stuff, I had a uh he said, I'll give you a full ride.
• 1:52:41
  SPEAKER_01: It was Northern University.
• 1:52:42
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if they're still there now, but uh, I never pursued it, never went after it, and I went to South Africa.
• 1:52:47
  SPEAKER_01: Up in Springfield.
• 1:52:49
  SPEAKER_01: What's that?
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_01: Up in Springfield.
• 1:52:50
  SPEAKER_01: Springfield, Missouri.
• 1:52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Is that right?
• 1:52:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:52:53
  SPEAKER_01: And um, so yeah, through all that, you know, God utilized me in a whole bunch of different non-denominational and AG churches.
• 1:53:01
  SPEAKER_01: But what I learned is at least in Pennsylvania, it's very stagnant.
• 1:53:05
  SPEAKER_01: No matter what you do in this area, Billy Graham called this a melting pot.
• 1:53:09
  SPEAKER_01: He he dreaded sort of coming to Pittsburgh because he would never really sell out the buildings, stuff like that.
• 1:53:15
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, I see why.
• 1:53:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a melting pot of Catholics, you have Protestants, you have all these archaic Italian and Irish beliefs.
• 1:53:23
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, so coming into that, God sort of started molding me.
• 1:53:29
  SPEAKER_01: There's plenty of ministers for the brick and mortar, but man, are there ministers just for the people who are searching on, you know, YouTube, right?
• 1:53:36
  SPEAKER_01: TikTok or, you know, Instagram, and this is the new word of mouth per se.
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:53:42
  SPEAKER_01: And you see a lot of these emerging ministers all starting.
• 1:53:46
  SPEAKER_05: And we're not supposed to live in the church, man.
• 1:53:48
  SPEAKER_05: We're not supposed to live in the church.
• 1:53:50
  SPEAKER_05: We are supposed to go to the highways and the hedges.
• 1:53:53
  SPEAKER_05: And TikTok is the highway and Insta is the hedges.
• 1:53:59
  SPEAKER_05: Oh no, I sorry, I I got that backwards.
• 1:54:02
  SPEAKER_05: TikTok is the hedges.
• 1:54:04
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:54:05
  SPEAKER_01: That's where all the hedge witches are.
• 1:54:07
  SPEAKER_01: So I think it's so cool though that there are so many different platforms and people.
• 1:54:12
  SPEAKER_01: And like any you're not here by accent.
• 1:54:15
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:54:16
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 1:54:17
  SPEAKER_05: God's God's design is so detailed, and we forget that that there's a place on the pew, and there's a place on the platform.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_05: It's busy.
• 1:54:29
  SPEAKER_05: Not the church platform, but the social platforms.
• 1:54:34
  SPEAKER_04: That might be a good place to end.
• 1:54:36
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 1:54:37
  SPEAKER_04: I think so.
• 1:54:38
  SPEAKER_00: We've gotten almost two hours.
• 1:54:43
  SPEAKER_01: I never heard a minister say that.
• 1:54:47
  SPEAKER_02: But you are ministering.
• 1:54:49
  SPEAKER_02: You probably still won't for a while, my man.
• 1:54:52
  SPEAKER_05: It'll be about seven years before they catch up.
• 1:54:54
  SPEAKER_05: It is what it is.
• 1:54:55
  SPEAKER_05: It's how that rolls.
• 1:54:56
  SPEAKER_05: But I love it.
• 1:54:57
  SPEAKER_05: But God is so good.
• 1:54:59
  SPEAKER_05: Thank you, Jesus, for good friends who love you that we can walk with you alongside.
• 1:55:08
  SPEAKER_02: Amen.
• 1:55:09
  SPEAKER_02: It's good stuff.
• 1:55:10
  SPEAKER_05: This is good.
• 1:55:13
  SPEAKER_02: Hey, there is one thing I want to do before we we sign off, and it doesn't have to be anything like super, you don't have to answer right this second either.
• 1:55:19
  SPEAKER_02: But um I'm not crying this time.
• 1:55:22
  SPEAKER_02: No, don't please don't cry.
• 1:55:23
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, just I couldn't take it again.
• 1:55:24
  SPEAKER_02: No, I'm just gonna cry.
• 1:55:26
  SPEAKER_02: I want to prove it.
• 1:55:27
  SPEAKER_05: Please don't cry.
• 1:55:28
  SPEAKER_02: If I hear it one more time.
• 1:55:29
  SPEAKER_02: One more time.
• 1:55:30
  SPEAKER_02: Um if think let's think about from here to the next time we get together.
• 1:55:37
  SPEAKER_02: What are some organic ways that we can interact with God and really kind of reclaim the territory where we're at?
• 1:55:47
  SPEAKER_02: Um I've been thinking about that before before we we we hopped on.
• 1:55:52
  SPEAKER_02: Um and and you know, I I think they were they even that Josh even said it in the episode.
• 1:55:58
  SPEAKER_02: He said, you know, we we he's like, I find myself doom scrolling this and that, and and he talked about this generation having no connection to people, right?
• 1:56:08
  SPEAKER_02: There's just things that are created, but there's not really any connection to other people except you know, peer-to-peer.
• 1:56:13
  SPEAKER_02: But even then, you never really get like I talked to my kid on, and he he has friends all over the US, and I'm like, Would you ever want to meet him?
• 1:56:21
  SPEAKER_02: He goes, No, I'd never want to meet those people.
• 1:56:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm just I just like I hear that and and and my heart just hurts.
• 1:56:27
  SPEAKER_02: Like that's that's painful for me, you know, to think about that.
• 1:56:30
  SPEAKER_02: Like, oh gosh.
• 1:56:31
  SPEAKER_02: Man, but but that's the generation he's grown up in.
• 1:56:34
  SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's the world he grows up in, you know?
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:56:36
  SPEAKER_02: Um it That is his culture.
• 1:56:39
  SPEAKER_02: It's rough, it's really rough.
• 1:56:40
  SPEAKER_02: And so I I think that we have some onus for ourselves, but also for our generations to to find ways where we can connect organically with with our world and with other with other believers physically, you know?
• 1:56:57
  SPEAKER_02: So just um food for thought.
• 1:57:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:57:02
  SPEAKER_04: That's a very good thought.
• 1:57:05
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's weird because like day by day.
• 1:57:08
  SPEAKER_01: You were talking about fasting and stuff earlier, and like you know, how God was like starting to prepare you for that.
• 1:57:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have struggled like you have, Christina, the whole time leading up to this.
• 1:57:22
  SPEAKER_01: Because my wife's like, Why won't you fast?
• 1:57:24
  SPEAKER_01: What's going on with you?
• 1:57:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I used to do one a year and stuff uh just uh sort of mitigate because that my weight always fluctuates.
• 1:57:32
  SPEAKER_01: And um she's like, You're having some health issues, I'm battling with different things.
• 1:57:37
  SPEAKER_01: And it was like three weeks ago where God was like, You just gotta do it, you just gotta start, just start the journey one step, and I'll meet you there.
• 1:57:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, that's pretty potent.
• 1:57:47
  SPEAKER_01: So I've been not eating after I've been doing this like intermittent fasting, but on my terms, where I don't eat after like six o'clock, and I won't eat.
• 1:57:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if I can skip breakfast and I can give that time to God, and I can skip lunch and I can, you know, focus on work or something, and I can make it to dinner again.
• 1:58:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'll eat dinner.
• 1:58:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's fair, right?
• 1:58:09
  SPEAKER_01: And like I I gave myself sort of compromise in boundaries, but the time I'm able, and what I found out is my body's reacting the way and it's going, just you don't need this lunch.
• 1:58:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's already two o'clock.
• 1:58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Let's go to dinner.
• 1:58:22
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, it's weird when you get lost in it because God provides ways to sort of check you through it.
• 1:58:29
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, you know, you were saying, Rick, about like coming up.
• 1:58:35
  SPEAKER_01: Where was I going with this?
• 1:58:36
  SPEAKER_01: I hate when that happens.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_05: Oh, me too.
• 1:58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, leading the fasting and like God starting to prep you for that.
• 1:58:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's wild because like the whole last couple months, God has sort of been prepping me to get to this place.
• 1:58:50
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just strange that the busyness and all this stuff has taken off.
• 1:58:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, I can sense there's something big coming, but I love the question of what we can do to be more ratifying and edifying for God.
• 1:59:04
  SPEAKER_01: I think it needs to be done in all of our lives.
• 1:59:06
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's the real enchantment, right?
• 1:59:08
  SPEAKER_05: In all of the aspects of our lives, too.
• 1:59:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, start recalibrating yourself, and it really begins with your thoughts.
• 1:59:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if your thoughts are defeating, you're done.
• 1:59:19
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, you know, God, God will take it.
• 1:59:21
  SPEAKER_01: Anytime we're dealing with curses and stuff, or I'm dealing with witches or people coming out of witchcraft, I'm a target.
• 1:59:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I always put in my thought process, God has me right where I'm supposed to be.
• 1:59:32
  SPEAKER_01: I always say the numbers 1019.
• 1:59:34
  SPEAKER_01: And if you go look up Luke 1019, it talks about the serpents and all these things that won't harm you, that can't harm you, that you'll overcome.
• 1:59:42
  SPEAKER_01: And uh, it's followed me my whole life, my wife's birthdays that day.
• 1:59:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's bizarre.
• 1:59:47
  SPEAKER_01: And it's Luke 1019.
• 1:59:49
  SPEAKER_01: But seriously, though, when we we think about that, I for me, man, it's correct in thought process.
• 1:59:55
  SPEAKER_01: I've been struggling with that.
• 1:59:56
  SPEAKER_05: Well, because as a man thinketh so is he.
• 1:59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 2:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's powerful.
• 2:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not Joyce Myers, it's not Battlefield of the Mine.
• 2:00:08
  SPEAKER_05: I wasn't gonna say this, but I prefer Battlestar Galactica.
• 2:00:11
  SPEAKER_02: Sorry.
• 2:00:12
  SPEAKER_05: You're so dull.
• 2:00:16
  SPEAKER_05: Since since we came back to fasting, um, my friend Justin, JP Rick.
• 2:00:24
  SPEAKER_05: Uh well, get to it later.
• 2:00:26
  SPEAKER_05: It's no big.
• 2:00:27
  SPEAKER_05: Um, but it's gonna, you're gonna be like, oh, and then we're gonna conspiracy theory stuff.
• 2:00:35
  SPEAKER_05: If you guys want to know what it is, it's Deuteronomy 28 19.
• 2:00:42
  SPEAKER_02: I'll look it up here in a second.
• 2:00:43
  SPEAKER_02: Go ahead and go ahead and keep going on.
• 2:00:45
  SPEAKER_05: But anyhow, that's not where I'm going with this.
• 2:00:47
  SPEAKER_05: Where I'm going with is is uh Justin and I we were talking about being a Nazarene or being a Nazirite and the the you know how um Samson was a Nazirite, right?
• 2:01:06
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, Nazirite.
• 2:01:07
  SPEAKER_02: Um Samson, he just came up yesterday.
• 2:01:10
  SPEAKER_02: What the heck?
• 2:01:11
  SPEAKER_02: So it's all linked.
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  SPEAKER_05: The Nazirite fast is not meant to be a lifelong fast.
• 2:01:21
  SPEAKER_05: It's it in Judaism it's it's a it's a fast that you take on for whatever amount of time.
• 2:01:27
  SPEAKER_05: Now you you do that fast.
• 2:01:30
  SPEAKER_05: And if you say you're on day whatever, uh 27 and you break it, you shave your head and you start to fast over.
• 2:01:42
  SPEAKER_05: Which is so interesting because Samson wasn't true to his uh Nazarite wave, right?
• 2:01:51
  SPEAKER_05: And what happened?
• 2:01:54
  SPEAKER_05: They shaved they shaved his head and he had a time where you know he lost all of the blessing from from the obedience and his sight.
• 2:02:08
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, and his sight permanently um but his head was shaven, yeah, and then God started over with him, and as his hair grew back, that that blessing of the supernatural strength came back again.
• 2:02:28
  SPEAKER_05: And when Justin was telling me about this, I did not, I did not know this.
• 2:02:34
  SPEAKER_05: The the the normal part of uh a Nazarite fast is when you stop if you fail at it, whatever somebody slipped a raisin in your bread.
• 2:02:47
  SPEAKER_05: Um jerk, total jerk.
• 2:02:51
  SPEAKER_05: You you would shave your head and you'd start over.
• 2:02:54
  SPEAKER_05: That's why it it's man, it's it's so cool that God allows us to shave our head.
• 2:03:00
  SPEAKER_05: You know, that's the thing that um that God told the children of Israel with uh I think it was the Midianites, but I might be wrong.
• 2:03:12
  SPEAKER_05: I I'm not remembering totally.
• 2:03:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um if you take if if you're in exile it you know, in diaspora or diaspora, depending on again how you want to pronounce it, and you take a woman to be your wife, go ahead, go get married.
• 2:03:30
  SPEAKER_05: But if if whatever, for whatever reason it fails, you shave her head because you have shamed her.
• 2:03:40
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, you put her away from yourself, which uh is really kind of a stinking thing to do.
• 2:03:46
  SPEAKER_05: But there's there's something about new beginnings that start really stinking hard and they're not fun, and they leave a mark on you that's visible.
• 2:04:01
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, um the shaving of the head, and then but but as your hair regrows, there's restoration in that process.
• 2:04:12
  SPEAKER_05: And I don't know what what in the world that means.
• 2:04:14
  SPEAKER_05: Like when we were talking about fasting earlier, I was thinking about it, but I was like, nah no, it just doesn't work in here, and I'm just gonna leave it out.
• 2:04:22
  SPEAKER_05: But when when God brought the conversation back again, yeah, I felt compelled to say it, and I don't know why, because I don't have a and this is the big what it means.
• 2:04:33
  SPEAKER_05: I don't know.
• 2:04:34
  SPEAKER_05: I I don't I don't have the end of it.
• 2:04:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not shaving my beard.
• 2:04:40
  SPEAKER_01: Is there a curse?
• 2:04:41
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not telling you to is there a curse from Isaiah from faithful women they'll lose their hair?
• 2:04:46
  SPEAKER_01: Is that Isaiah?
• 2:04:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oof, it is Isaiah's.
• 2:04:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that wild?
• 2:04:51
  SPEAKER_05: So here is super important.
• 2:04:53
  SPEAKER_05: Oh yeah.
• 2:04:54
  SPEAKER_01: Here it is, super important.
• 2:04:55
  SPEAKER_05: And that uh prop that particular prophecy has been um uh linked to fulfillment with Hitler's death camps.
• 2:05:09
  SPEAKER_05: The shaving the shaving of the the head of the women.
• 2:05:14
  SPEAKER_05: Um I believe in that same text there is something about numbering or tattoos.
• 2:05:23
  SPEAKER_05: I don't remember if it's been a while um since I've I've been in that particular part of scripture with this in mind.
• 2:05:32
  SPEAKER_05: But um it's it's funny because the scripture that Ricky was was saying, Oh, I haven't read that thing yet.
• 2:05:39
  SPEAKER_05: It's it it sounds prophetic.
• 2:05:43
  SPEAKER_05: Well, it is prophetic, and um our friend Justin was like the eagle.
• 2:05:52
  SPEAKER_05: Was is it possible that God was giving a clue to the Holocaust in the shell?
• 2:05:57
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, um, it's definitely possible God does layers upon layers upon layers upon layers of um so it just I don't know, it it was an interesting thing, and all of this was part of like that same uh conversation that we were having, and then the the um the Samson Nazarite fast thing um was from a conversation a day or two before that.
• 2:06:26
  SPEAKER_05: And it was just uh, you know, sometimes God's talking to you and you're like, okay, but I but I don't know what this means.
• 2:06:36
  SPEAKER_05: Right.
• 2:06:36
  SPEAKER_05: You know?
• 2:06:37
  SPEAKER_04: Or like I want to start fasting, but there's also a whole bunch of pasta salad in the fridge.
• 2:06:42
  SPEAKER_05: Or I'm go or I'm I'm going to or I'm going on vacation.
• 2:06:47
  SPEAKER_05: Or somebody bought lunch for the office.
• 2:06:52
  SPEAKER_02: I think the rule of thumb here is that it, you know, God is waiting for things to be unlocked.
• 2:07:01
  SPEAKER_02: And what I mean by that is he's waiting for us to unlock them.
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 2:07:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I I was thinking yesterday, guys, yesterday I was like standing there with the key.
• 2:07:10
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, here's the key, here's the key.
• 2:07:12
  SPEAKER_02: Sweetheart, yesterday I was like 400 miles away from my city.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 2:07:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I was sitting in, you know, I was meditating on all this stuff.
• 2:07:20
  SPEAKER_02: Not even meditating.
• 2:07:21
  SPEAKER_02: The Lord was just like bringing these these thoughts in and these podcasts in, and I was reading stuff, and God was just kind of speaking to me about fasting, and I was like, okay, I have to do this.
• 2:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know when I'm gonna start, maybe next week.
• 2:07:34
  SPEAKER_02: And God was like, You do it tomorrow.
• 2:07:37
  SPEAKER_05: So it was on tomorrow.
• 2:07:38
  SPEAKER_05: I we texted about that yesterday, remember?
• 2:07:42
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
• 2:07:42
  SPEAKER_05: And I was like, Yeah, I fast on Thursdays.
• 2:07:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, yeah, we sure did.
• 2:07:46
  SPEAKER_05: Yeah, I don't even necessarily have a reason.
• 2:07:49
  SPEAKER_02: I just I just do it.
• 2:07:51
  SPEAKER_02: Do it.
• 2:07:51
  SPEAKER_05: I'm like, I fast on Thursdays for whatever God puts on my heart.
• 2:07:55
  SPEAKER_02: It's and and I mean it's for all of us, but you know, you in particular, Christina, like there's no good moment.
• 2:08:00
  SPEAKER_02: Like before before my wife's.
• 2:08:03
  SPEAKER_05: Do we want to fast on Thursdays?
• 2:08:06
  SPEAKER_05: How about we fast we fast from sundown Wednesday night to dinner time on Thursday?
• 2:08:16
  SPEAKER_05: So when?
• 2:08:18
  SPEAKER_05: So from sundown Wednesday night.
• 2:08:20
  SPEAKER_05: So you have Wednesday night dinner.
• 2:08:22
  SPEAKER_05: Unless unless it's late, and then you break the fast Thursday dinner.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: There we go.
• 2:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: Oh my gosh.
• 2:08:31
  SPEAKER_02: That's the easy that answers that answers uh how we're gonna how we're gonna honor God.
• 2:08:37
  SPEAKER_02: We did it.
• 2:08:39
  SPEAKER_05: Literally, you know, uh three chord strand is not easily broken.
• 2:08:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna text you guys when I'm not doing it.
• 2:08:46
  SPEAKER_05: Do it chat time.
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 2:08:48
  SPEAKER_04: So I'm not doing it.
• 2:08:49
  SPEAKER_05: This pasta sounds great from lunch.
• 2:08:53
  SPEAKER_01: You guys jumps on you.
• 2:08:57
  SPEAKER_05: Somebody's gonna be like, let's go eat Korean on Thursday, and I'm gonna be like always happens.
• 2:09:03
  SPEAKER_02: That always happens, and you know what?
• 2:09:05
  SPEAKER_02: And and it was like, I was just gonna say it was like when when I when my wife and I decided to have kids, my wife was like, my wife is older than I.
• 2:09:12
  SPEAKER_02: She's she's five years older than I am, and she was like, you know, my clock is ticking, and then I was young.
• 2:09:18
  SPEAKER_02: I was like 22, 23.
• 2:09:20
  SPEAKER_02: I was like, no, hang on.
• 2:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know.
• 2:09:21
  SPEAKER_02: Wow, you know.
• 2:09:22
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so but the Lord finally just spoke to me, and he's like, Ricky, there's not a good time.
• 2:09:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's never there's never gonna be a good time.
• 2:09:32
  SPEAKER_02: Just do just do what you gotta do.
• 2:09:34
  SPEAKER_02: Like, there's there's no do the thing and I'll bless it.
• 2:09:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do the thing and I'll bless it.
• 2:09:40
  SPEAKER_05: As he does between husbands and wives.
• 2:09:43
  SPEAKER_05: Yes, well.
• 2:09:44
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, but it doesn't always have to end in children, we'll say.
• 2:09:48
  SPEAKER_02: True.
• 2:09:50
  SPEAKER_04: I need us to have we'll have to talk off air about the parameters of the fast.
• 2:09:54
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 2:09:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like we'll do that.
• 2:09:57
  SPEAKER_05: What's the break?
• 2:09:58
  SPEAKER_04: You know what, listeners?
• 2:09:59
  SPEAKER_05: Join us on the Thursday fast.
• 2:10:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, join us on the Thursday fast.
• 2:10:02
  SPEAKER_05: Hey, man.
• 2:10:05
  SPEAKER_05: We did it.
• 2:10:06
  SPEAKER_05: Anybody who wants to join us, just message us and all the audience.
• 2:10:10
  SPEAKER_05: We'll all be accountable together.
• 2:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And all the audience simultaneously said, Kong Sai.
• 2:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting, guys.
• 2:10:23
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 2:10:24
  SPEAKER_05: Wow, didn't know you were going there, Lord.
• 2:10:27
  SPEAKER_05: Me, thanks for the ride.
• 2:10:30
  SPEAKER_03: I know, look at that.
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_03: What are we talking about?
• 2:10:31
  SPEAKER_03: What have we been talking about?
• 2:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: How do we get in here?
• 2:10:35
  SPEAKER_05: Beauty and art to fast.
• 2:10:38
  SPEAKER_05: Nothing fast.
• 2:10:39
  SPEAKER_05: I know.
• 2:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um fast and prayers the way to get rid of some demons.
• 2:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 2:10:42
  SPEAKER_01: It is parasites according to Mrs.
• 2:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Vicky, too.
• 2:10:47
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 2:10:47
  SPEAKER_04: Well, aren't they always so?
• 2:10:49
  SPEAKER_04: If you guys came here for any sort of um agenda, clearly there is not one.
• 2:10:56
  SPEAKER_04: You're welcome.
• 2:10:57
  SPEAKER_04: As with all things that were new.
• 2:11:00
  SPEAKER_04: Nothing makes any sense.
• 2:11:02
  SPEAKER_04: It's like the going, but isn't that I don't want to say it's down the rabbit trail.
• 2:11:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's like going through the looking glass through the looking glass where we are.
• 2:11:13
  SPEAKER_04: All right, who's praying?