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The Late Debate | 16 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the late Base. Good evening and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: the program. I'm kayleb Bond, joined by Joe Hildebrand and
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  Speaker 1: late Prey Leitch not LH. What am I talking about?
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  Speaker 1: It a bit early in the night to be making
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  Speaker 1: business days is what's coming up tonight? Things are heating
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  Speaker 1: up again over migration in Europe. France is now paving
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  Speaker 1: the way for a whole new bunch of refugees, and
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  Speaker 1: a Spanish town is rioting over a gang of African
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  Speaker 1: news who bashed up a local pensioner. We'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: about that soon in the papers. A little later. Australian
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  Speaker 1: scientists are apparently not far off being able to create
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  Speaker 1: a baby out of three different people's DNA. Tell you
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  Speaker 1: what every day we stray further from the light and
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  Speaker 1: you know is now apparently being rolled out at casinos
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  Speaker 1: just another way for me to lose money. We'll get
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  Speaker 1: into that a little later, but first let's talk about AI,
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  Speaker 1: which of course we know is starting to rule the world. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: it's being used in every corner of the world's every
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  Speaker 1: corner of business.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: AI is taking over jobs. It's being used to make
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  Speaker 1: things simpler. People using it in their everyday lives on
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  Speaker 1: their phones for instance as well. But what about when
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  Speaker 1: AI doesn't work quite as intended? And this is a
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  Speaker 1: question we will have to grapple with because when it
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  Speaker 1: is being used more, it will do things that we
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  Speaker 1: don't necessarily like. And we've sent examples recently of AI
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  Speaker 1: controlled robots sort of going tropo when they haven't been
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  Speaker 1: programmed properly, etc. Well, this woman, Rachelle Marinato, she's had
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  Speaker 1: a taste of what happens when things go wrong with AI.
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  Speaker 1: Her business is a pilate's equipment business, and she advertises
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  Speaker 1: online on Instagram and Facebook, et cetera. They're owned by Meta,
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  Speaker 1: and she posted a photograph on her Instagram page of
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  Speaker 1: her three dogs. You can see the three dogs there,
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  Speaker 1: and Meta's AI program, which automatically scans all the photos
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  Speaker 1: that you put on Facebook or Instagram, decided that that
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  Speaker 1: photo was child exploitation material. Now I'm not sure on
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  Speaker 1: what basis it decided that three puppies looked like child
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  Speaker 1: exploitation material, but it did, and so it automatically locked
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  Speaker 1: her account, which it kept locked for three weeks. During
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  Speaker 1: that time, she wasn't able to advertise her business. She
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  Speaker 1: says she lost fifty thousand dollars as a result. Here
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  Speaker 1: she was talking to SCA News earlier.
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  Speaker 3: Today we dropped off the face of the earth. Honestly,
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  Speaker 3: we rely so heavily on social media. It's such a
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  Speaker 3: critical form of marketing for small business. I've sent I
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  Speaker 3: think twenty two emails at this point. I've just received
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  Speaker 3: generic responses, and I've also gone through my solicitor and
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  Speaker 3: had a letter delivered to Meta in California and also
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  Speaker 3: in Sydney.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I think there are potentially two cautionary tales here.
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  Speaker 1: One is the power of these companies like Meta. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know your business can lose fifty k in three
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  Speaker 1: weeks because you're not able to advertise with them because
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  Speaker 1: they and just lock your account overnight at a whim.
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  Speaker 1: But this was an automatic decision Frayer made by AI.
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  Speaker 1: And this is going to become much more common. I
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  Speaker 1: mean when the social media band comes in, for instance
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  Speaker 1: here in Australia, and they'll have this facial recognition stuff
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  Speaker 1: that they're going to use to determine whether or not
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  Speaker 1: you can open an account or continue to use your account.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that will be using artificial intelligence to assess
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  Speaker 1: your face and decide how old it thinks you are.
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  Speaker 1: So all of these decisions and it will be serious
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  Speaker 1: decisions at some point that AI will be able to make.
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  Speaker 1: If it makes the wrong decision, it can sometimes be
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  Speaker 1: very difficult to unwind them.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the major problem. She said.
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  Speaker 4: She sent over twenty emails. But the problem is Mata
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have a human customer service platform at all, So
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  Speaker 4: you can send endless emails, endless customer service ticket requests,
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  Speaker 4: and you will never get to speak to a human.
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  Speaker 4: So people end up spending your mind trying to get
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  Speaker 4: these accounts back to no avail. So some people have
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  Speaker 4: gone as far as actually suing Meta because that is
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  Speaker 4: basically the only way people have found that they're actually
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  Speaker 4: able to retrieve their accounts. This happened to an ossie
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  Speaker 4: startup that was on shark Tank a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 4: They make e scooters. Meta banned the account for some reason.
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  Speaker 4: He had to lay off most of his staff. Their
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  Speaker 4: sales plummeted because this is the channel for advertising these days.
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  Speaker 4: These are people's businesses at stake here, and ultimately he's
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  Speaker 4: had to take legal action against them. First in the
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  Speaker 4: administrative tribunal, Meta did not show up. Then he took
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  Speaker 4: it to the District court. Meta still did not show up.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's in the Supreme Court and metas saying he
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  Speaker 4: doesn't have jurisdiction to bring the case against them in Australia.
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  Speaker 4: He would have to file the case in California.
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  Speaker 2: And so this is the problem.
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  Speaker 4: If you're a small business owner, you're up against a
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  Speaker 4: multi hundred billion dollar organization that does not care about.
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  Speaker 2: You or your needs. You can't even speak to.
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  Speaker 4: A human you can't even take legal action against them
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  Speaker 4: because they're so big they just don't care. And when
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  Speaker 4: people's whole livelihoods are on the line, this is a
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  Speaker 4: serious issue.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, one thousand percent.
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  Speaker 6: I've been I despise social media and I make no
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  Speaker 6: secret of it, and I'm not on it at all
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  Speaker 6: except for Instagram, which I pretty much just used to
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  Speaker 6: tell people I've got a new podcast coming out, because
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  Speaker 6: everyone's a podcaster.
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  Speaker 1: You did manage to get your Twitter account back to him?
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  Speaker 1: I did?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So my Twitter account got hacked by some Turkish
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  Speaker 6: guy and he kept asking me for money for it,
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  Speaker 6: and I said no, no, you can keep it. And
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  Speaker 6: he's like, what do you mean, I don't get it
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  Speaker 6: to get it, and you know it will cost you
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  Speaker 6: two thousand dollars. I'm like two thousand dollars. My social
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  Speaker 6: media account is worth much more than two thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 6: And he says, well, you know, if you don't give
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  Speaker 6: it back to me, if you don't pay me the money,
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  Speaker 6: I'll sell it to someone else. I said, all right, fine,
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  Speaker 6: but given that it's actually mine, I think it's only
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  Speaker 6: if we split the proceeds fifty to fifty. And the
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  Speaker 6: guy actually went off and tried to sell it to
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  Speaker 6: some other I don't know who whatever, And in the meantime,
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  Speaker 6: someone told me what to do or whatever, someone into it.
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  Speaker 6: I said, oh, that's all you do. And I got
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  Speaker 6: it back and the guy writes goes, hey, what.
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  Speaker 5: Are you doing? I was trying to do this.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm sorry, man, you can't trust anyone these days.
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  Speaker 6: But and then I never posted again. But the this
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  Speaker 6: is like critical infrastructure now. It's like it's kind of
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  Speaker 6: like the mobile phone spectrum or telephone lines or you know,
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  Speaker 6: these platforms. Because these companies are so powerful and because
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  Speaker 6: they have what is effectively a monopoly, they basically run
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  Speaker 6: an essential service and so the decisions they make, as
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  Speaker 6: we've seen, can make or break businesses. But there's absolutely
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  Speaker 6: no accountability. And the only reason why they even have
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  Speaker 6: a shop front or a representation in Australia at all
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  Speaker 6: is because of a campaign that we did the Telegraph
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  Speaker 6: called Stop the Trolls, where we raise this lack of accountability.
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  Speaker 6: Obviously I led the campaign because I'm Australia's hero. Again,
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  Speaker 6: this is why Twitter and I think Facebook, I don't
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  Speaker 6: think they actually haven't had anyone in Australia before we
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  Speaker 6: did that, and even then, as we've seen that, they
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  Speaker 6: just sort of ignore it. So I think there has
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  Speaker 6: to be some kind of law that compels just as
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  Speaker 6: we say, look, you have to have mobile phone coverage
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  Speaker 6: in the country, not just because it's profitable, but because
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  Speaker 6: if there's a bush fire, people need to be able
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  Speaker 6: to say get out.
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  Speaker 4: Well, there has to be at least some level of
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  Speaker 4: accountability so you can speak to a human who can
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  Speaker 4: solve these issues without you having to incur millions of
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  Speaker 4: dollars in legal costs suing matter to get your account back.
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  Speaker 2: But someone else.
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  Speaker 4: Who is ignoring things is the Albanezy government who've effectively
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  Speaker 4: said they're going to ignore this Special Envoy for Anti
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  Speaker 4: Semitism's report until the report into Islamophobia comes back. Now,
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  Speaker 4: why those two things have to go together, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know why you can't just treat anti Semitism
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  Speaker 4: as a standalone issue, which it is. But here is
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  Speaker 4: ed Husick talking about this today.
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  Speaker 7: So we're going through it, right. I'd get careful about
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  Speaker 7: at this early stage us taking positions straight away on this.
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  Speaker 7: Let's take the time to think it through. It's a
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  Speaker 7: lot of thoughts being put into it.
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  Speaker 4: So ed Husick basically says he has three main issues
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  Speaker 4: with the Special Envoys report. One, he doesn't agree with
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  Speaker 4: the fact that young people are more open to antisemitic views,
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  Speaker 4: which I would say if you've been on social media
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  Speaker 4: at all, and as someone who's very active in the
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  Speaker 4: pro Israel space, like the anti semitism even to non Jews,
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  Speaker 4: just to supporters of Israel is shocking. He also says
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  Speaker 4: he disagrees with the International Holocaust Remember its definition of
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  Speaker 4: anti Semitism, and he disagrees with Jillian Siegeles calling out
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  Speaker 4: of the ABC. So two issues there, ed Hugh's it
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  Speaker 4: taking issue with the report and Jason Claire saying they're
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  Speaker 4: not going to take any action till the Islamophobia report
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  Speaker 4: comes back. Caleb, I can't say I'm too surprised.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of Claire, here he was Today.
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  Speaker 8: We're considering Jillian Siegel's report, the Special Envoy on Anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 8: I won't respond today to those recommendations, but there are
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  Speaker 8: things that we are already doing in this space. There's
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  Speaker 8: no place for the poison of racism in all of
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  Speaker 8: its ugly and obnoxious forms, in our universities or anywhere else.
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  Speaker 8: I'm not going to say today what our response to
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  Speaker 8: that recommendation will be. What I will say is we've
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  Speaker 8: taken a number of steps already.
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  Speaker 1: And I think this is kind of the point, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like he's right that racism is bad and it shouldn't
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  Speaker 1: be anywhere. You didn't need an envoid to tell you that.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't need a report to tell you that. You
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  Speaker 1: could have just opened your eye a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: and seeing what was going on in the country. And
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  Speaker 1: it was half the problem as well when they decided
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  Speaker 1: they were going to have an anti semitism envoid, because
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  Speaker 1: of course there has been a problem with anti semitism
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  Speaker 1: in this country since October seven, or certainly since October
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  Speaker 1: ninth on the steps of the Opera House. But we
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  Speaker 1: got to have the Islamophobia one at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: which is a slightly different issue because Islam is a religion.
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  Speaker 1: There's there's no eth no religious connection there, so it's
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  Speaker 1: not a form of racism, et cetera. It was window
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  Speaker 1: dressing to begin with, its window dressing today and this
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  Speaker 1: rather proves it. I mean, there's a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: in Seagull's report that isn't necessarily really in the purview
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  Speaker 1: of government. It's a lot of suggestions as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: actionable things that a government can necessarily do, and also saying, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I should be able to monitor things and
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  Speaker 1: see what's going on. But these are things that just
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  Speaker 1: should be done anyway. In terms of racism. If there's
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  Speaker 1: a problem with racism, but at anti simatism or any
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  Speaker 1: other form of racism, a government ought to be able
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  Speaker 1: to be aware of it and be get on top
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  Speaker 1: of it using laws that already exist. And we have
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  Speaker 1: hate speech laws, and we've beefed them up even further
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  Speaker 1: than I think we should have beefed them up in
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  Speaker 1: response to antisemitism, and the government's still dancing around. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think there's a couple of things. One is that
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  Speaker 6: there's a limit, I think to.
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  Speaker 1: What.
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  Speaker 6: You can't sort of legislate against stupidity, as they say,
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  Speaker 6: and you can't legislate away people's prejudice. And so obviously
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  Speaker 6: we have to have laws against incitement to violence or
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  Speaker 6: hate speech and things like that. But where and I
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  Speaker 6: agree with that husic where you don't want to have
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  Speaker 6: a sort of heavy hand approach, where you start just
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  Speaker 6: banning all these things that may or may not be
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  Speaker 6: offensive or may or may not sort of blossom into
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  Speaker 6: something offensive, because then you're on a very very slippery slope.
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  Speaker 6: The real problem is actually deeper than that, and that
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  Speaker 6: is that anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 5: That there's a couple of things.
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  Speaker 6: One is that antisemitism is culturally it is culturally cool,
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  Speaker 6: it is cool to be and they don't call it
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  Speaker 6: anti Semitism. They'll call it anti Zionism. But as we've seen,
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  Speaker 6: it morphs into attacks on Jews or attacks on anyone
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  Speaker 6: who supports Israel, which is overwhelmingly Jews. So it's anti semitism.
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  Speaker 6: By another name, and it has become culturally desirable and
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  Speaker 6: culturally acceptable. So you have things like the Glassonbury performance
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  Speaker 6: where're saying, hey, have you heard the hot new chant
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  Speaker 6: death death the idea, and everyone just starts chanting it.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it's beyond satire. You know, we are all individuals.
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  Speaker 6: So there is that, and again, banning that you just
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  Speaker 6: you might be able to ban that phrase, but that
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  Speaker 6: sentiment will still be out there, and if anything, it
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  Speaker 6: will just make those people feel like they're the martyrs
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  Speaker 6: and they're speaking truth to power and the evil governments
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  Speaker 6: try to shut them down because why because the Jews
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  Speaker 6: control the government or that don't.
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  Speaker 5: Control the media.
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  Speaker 6: So there's that kind of element. The second thing is
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  Speaker 6: that anti semitism is So the problem is, yes, we
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  Speaker 6: can never all forms of racism, but there's not really
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  Speaker 6: any other form of racism that is being given legitimacy
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  Speaker 6: by big cultural institutions or by big pop culture icons,
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  Speaker 6: or by you know, a whole sort of political movement
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  Speaker 6: or academia or whatever. Anti Semitism is given legitimacy that way,
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  Speaker 6: and that is the problem. So it is it is
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  Speaker 6: people say this is anti semitic, and people say, oh, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: we're just anti Zionist. And an example is that there
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  Speaker 6: was a very famous activist academic I won't name, who
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  Speaker 6: said that, you know, it was her job to make
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  Speaker 6: sure that Zionists feel uncomfortable. And another academic got up
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  Speaker 6: at another event. I absolutely agree with academic A that
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  Speaker 6: we should be making Jews feel uncomfortable. She said, oh no, no,
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  Speaker 6: I just said zionist. But he knew exactly what she
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  Speaker 6: meant and that's how he took it. So that is
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  Speaker 6: the problem. And then the other problem, of course, is
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  Speaker 6: anti Semitism is a very specific form of racism. It
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  Speaker 6: is not hating people for who they are necessarily, but
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  Speaker 6: for a crazy crack pot conspiracy theory as to what
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  Speaker 6: you think they are secretly doing. And that doesn't apply
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  Speaker 6: to any other form of racism. And again, you wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: say I have the right to target Ugandans in the
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  Speaker 6: street because I don't like what the Uganan government is doing.
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  Speaker 6: And yet that logic seems to apply to Jewish people,
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  Speaker 6: and that is it is sick that that is being legitimized.
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  Speaker 6: And that's the difference between that anti semitism we're saying
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  Speaker 6: and all the other side.
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  Speaker 4: But that's why it's so offensive that they're trying to
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  Speaker 4: lump it in with Islamophobia and with the race discriminations,
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  Speaker 4: just general report into racism at universities. As you said,
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  Speaker 4: it is not like any other racism. We have a
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  Speaker 4: specific and acute problem with jew hatred in this country
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  Speaker 4: right now, and unless we can singularly confront that, it
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  Speaker 4: demonstrates the weakness at the heart of the Albanezy government.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think, by the way, that Islamophobia is real,
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  Speaker 1: and I know it's real in the sense that it's
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  Speaker 1: designated by the UN to be a thing. But is
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  Speaker 1: there any other religion? And some people will say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: anti Semitism, But antisemitism is if no religious thing. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just about religion. Is there any other religion to
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  Speaker 1: which you ascribe a particular term for people who have
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  Speaker 1: an issue with it? You think of one and write
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  Speaker 1: it into me and tell me they doesn't exist.
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  Speaker 6: Actually, I have protestant aphobia.
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  Speaker 1: No one talks about protestant aphobia. I'm just saying there's
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  Speaker 1: a reason for that. While we're talking about these matters
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  Speaker 1: over in France, things get worse with the migration crisis
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  Speaker 1: in Europe and you would have thought that they would
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  Speaker 1: have woken up by now and realized, hang on a minute,
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  Speaker 1: people aren't quite on board with the direction that Europe
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  Speaker 1: is going. I mean, just look at the EU elections.
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  Speaker 1: Just look at the elections in France for instance. Have
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  Speaker 1: a look at the elections across Europe where people have
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  Speaker 1: fundamentally been turning to right wing parties that are running
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  Speaker 1: on an anti immigration basis, much like reform in the
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  Speaker 1: UK is now doing and will romp it in next
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  Speaker 1: time they have a general election there. But outside of parliaments,
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  Speaker 1: you've got to deal with courts, and court in France,
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  Speaker 1: the National Court of Asylum has decided that every single
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  Speaker 1: person who lives in Gaza now has the right to
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  Speaker 1: asylum in France. They can register as refugees now. This
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  Speaker 1: will started on the basis of a case of two people,
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  Speaker 1: a mum and a son, who had fled Gaza basically
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  Speaker 1: straight after October seventh and tried to get into France's
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  Speaker 1: refugees and they were denied access as refugees because they
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  Speaker 1: were deemed to not be persecuted at the time. But
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  Speaker 1: the court has now changed its mind. This is from
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  Speaker 1: a report in Europe. It says the CNDA, that is
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  Speaker 1: the National Court of Asylum that I just mentioned. The
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  Speaker 1: judges ruled that the conditions had changed in Gaza and
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  Speaker 1: that the persecution by the Israeli army was now systemic
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  Speaker 1: and white or systematic, sorry and widespread. Based on their case,
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  Speaker 1: the CNDA ruled on Friday, July eleventh, that's Friday is gone,
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  Speaker 1: that any Palestinian asylum seekers could benefit from the same
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  Speaker 1: protection as this mother and son on the grounds that
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  Speaker 1: they were persecuted because of their nationality. And if basically
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  Speaker 1: these two have been allowed in fundamentally because they lived
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  Speaker 1: in Gaza, it means it's open for everyone. Now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting way. I'm not sure if it's
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  Speaker 6: kind of the same thing. I don't think it's not.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think it's really the I mean, I think
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: these people would have been obviously in danger after the
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: October seven attacks and Israel's retaliation, and so they would
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: have been in danger of dying. I'm not sure if
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: that's the same thing as persecution, as in an ethnic
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: minority who can't actually live within the boundaries of their
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: country because their own government is sort of seeking them
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: out to try and purge them. Yes, what Israel has
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: done you can say was extremely heavy handed and it's
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: bombing them, and aid is very limited.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: But I'm I'm not sure.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: If being the victim of a war is the same
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: as being the victim.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: But that's the problem, because that's what the court is persecutor, and.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: That's the fundamental problem with the case. You're saying that
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: the IDF that the Israeli government is persecuting all two
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: million people that live in Gaza. Sure, conditions are horrendous.
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: It is a war, but fundamentally, Israel's war is not
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: against Gazans. It's against Hamas, and they're not going out
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: of their way to target Palestinians. In fact, they take
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: more precautions to limit civilian casualties than pretty much any
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: army in history. It also says that they're being persecuted
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: on the basis of their nationality. I don't know how
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: that works, given twenty percent of Israel is Palestinian Arab
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: and they are not persecuted, and France does not recognize
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: the state of Palestine, So what is this mysterious nationality?
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: Being a victim of a war does not qualify you
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: to be a refugee. And the other thing is why
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: are none of Gaza's Arab neighbors taking in these refugees.
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: Why will Jordan not take them in? Given Palestinians are
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: fifty to sixty percent of their population and already maybe
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: there's a reason.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Well, well, they won't take them because the Palestinian is
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: basically the victim's victim. And they don't want to do
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the surrounding countries what they would call the dirty work
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: of Israel, basically by saying, will let you send all
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: of those people over there so you can have the land.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: They would rather keep Palestinians in Palestine in danger for
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: the purpose of not seding land to Israel. And I
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: know that courts are allowed to create case law, as
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: they have in this circumstance. But the idea that a court,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: with the stroke of a pen can say that everyone
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: from a region of the world has a right to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: move to your country in this case France, is insane
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: because surely, as a sovereign nation, you ought to have
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the right to decide who you do and don't want
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to come in on the basis of potential ideologies or
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: beliefs or whatever else. And this court is saying no, no, no,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: bugger all of that. Just open the door, everyone come in.
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: This has caused massive problems in Europe already, and they're
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: just adding another lot on top.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: The thing that I think a lot of people either
• 20:07
  Speaker 6: don't understand or forget is that prior to the October
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: seven terrorist attack by Hamas, Gaza was basically an autonomous province.
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: It ran its own affairs. It didn't have any foreign policy,
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: it didn't have a standing up. But Gaars ran itself,
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: and Israel was very happy for that because they thought
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: it's just too dangerous for our troops to be in there.
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: We don't want anything to do it. You guys just
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: run it yourselves. And there were different complaints about the
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: quality of life there versus in Israel and all that
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: sort of stuff, so that the people who actually put
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: the gardens in danger weren't Israel, it was actually Hamas.
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: So to be honest, if Garzans actually came and said,
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: we are being persecuted by our own government, Hamas, who
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: are exploiting us and using us as human shields and
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: depriving us of food and water and other vital supplies
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: which they steal for their own militants.
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: I would give them asylum any day of the week.
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Well they are. There have been anti Hamas protests by guards.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: Its very bravely risking their lives to speak out against
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: the Jihanniest regime, and a lot of them have been
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: tortured as a result.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: So they do exist.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: But the immigration crisis is really rocking all parts of Europe.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: A town in southern Spain has been gripped by riots
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: between anti immigration Spanish people and quite a lot of
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: North African migrants in the area. It was all sparked
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: after a pensioner, an elderly man, was brutally beaten by
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: a group of African youths. I'm sorry for the distressing
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: image there on the screen, but truly horrific. So this
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: senior person, he was doing nothing, he was just going
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: about his business and then he was set upon by
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: a gang of North African migrant youths. Obviously, the community
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: is now extremely and taking to the streets to I
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: guess in what they see as defend their own people,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: given the police clearly aren't doing it, and of course
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: they're the ones being arrested and locked up. Ten have
• 22:11
  Speaker 4: been arrested so far, probably more to come. But this
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: just shows you the consequences of uncontrolled, illegal mass immigration.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: And this is you know, I'm not defending violence on
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: the streets. I'm not defending riots, et cetera. But what
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: I am saying is that this is the direct consequence
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: of governments not taking action. I mean, you eventually get
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: to a point where people are so angry with the
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: state of their country, and then you have something like
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: that happens, and it reaches a pressure point. And often
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: when you reach those pressure points, people lash out and
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: they do stupid things that they otherwise wouldn't do. I mean,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: you end up with a mob mentality. I mean, you
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: end up with a riot. It was exactly the same
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: in the UK. Of course, You'll remember those girls that
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: were killed at a dance studio, a Taylor Swift thing
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: that was going on there, and then there was misinformation
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: put online saying that it was an illegal migrant who
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: had killed them, and all of a sudden, you've got
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: rights on the street because people are so angry with
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: what is happening in that country. I think that that
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: situation sounds entirely possible.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: I think that gives a fig leaf of justification for
• 23:25
  Speaker 6: their actions, which I don't think is at all deserved.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I don't think.
• 23:28
  Speaker 6: I don't think these are people who really care about
• 23:29
  Speaker 6: the issue. I think there's are violent thugs who are
• 23:31
  Speaker 6: just using it as an excuse. And I think it's
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: the same thing as that, you know, the Black Lives
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: Matter riots. You can't say, oh, well, this is all
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: the government's fault or this is all the police's fault,
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: because they you know, they because a black person died
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: in constantly, so it's their.
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: Fault that Portland, Oregon is on fire.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: Absolutely not. I think these people are criminals. I think
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: they're thugs. I think there is a certain type of
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: person who uses any excuse to play out pre existing
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: fantasies or pre existing prejudices of them already had. We know,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: with the Cronulla riots, you know, there was a supposed
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: flash point of an altercation between I think a lifeguard
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: and some kids or something playing soccer.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: On the beach. Next thing you know, it's been overrun.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: By card carrying Neo Nazis, card carrying white supremacists, the
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: sort of people I'd investigated, you know, years before any
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: of the supposed provocation took place, and these guys are
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: just waiting for a chance to do what they were
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: going to do anyway, and it's it's sick and it's wrong,
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: and it's disgraceful when the left does it, and it's
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: sick and it's wrong, and it's disgraceful when the right
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: does it.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: Which it shouldn't be done. But is the point not
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: also that there are problems, particularly in Europe that are
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: ignored today and the people. I agree with you that
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: these people are thugs, but there would be a lot
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: of people in Spain right now who wouldn't dream of
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: doing a thing like that, sitting there very quietly thinking, well,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: at least someone is saying something about it.
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: It's not even that it's like, oh, some black guys
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: punched up pensioner over here, so I'm going to smash
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: up this shop over there. Like that's just that's insane.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: That's terrorist logic. That's what I'm saying. We don't like
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: what the Americans are doing in Iraq, so we're going
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: to kill someone in a shopping center in Alberta.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: No, but it is true that when you see instances
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: like this, which are happening too frequently in Europe, of
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: just random attacks, it sparks something in the community, rightfully so,
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: and it's not just people taking to the streets. I
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: agree violence is never the answer. Thankfully we have democracy,
• 25:30
  Speaker 4: But what do the ballot What does the ballot box suggest?
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: It suggests people are absolutely fed up with this mass
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: immigration that is allowing unprecedented levels of violence in Europe.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: I think this is but I don't think this is
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: ordinary people rising up. This is what I'm saying. Antifa
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: is just waiting around for any excuse to go on
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: a riding rampage. You know, just as the white supremacists
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: here and in other countries are waiting to do the same.
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: It is extremists on the left and the right. We're
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: actually trying to whip this up. You can have a
• 26:02
  Speaker 6: debate about migration. You can express your views of the
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: ballot box. You can elect Reform UK if you want to,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: or AfD in Germany if you want, or you know,
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: Lapan in France if you want. But going out and
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: saying I'm going to smash up a shopkeeper or bash
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: up some random brown guy because he looked a bit
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: like someone who designed that. There is no excuse for that,
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: no justification for it. This is not a popular uprising.
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: This is criminal extremist thugs just using the excuse to
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: do what they always wanted to do.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: You mentioned reform U came and it seems every passing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: day there's another reason that they're going to get up
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: at the next general election. Over there, Nigel Farag, I
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: mean imagine Nigel Farad is the next Prime minister. Got
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: it will be great to be even better, need to
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: tallent we've got when Boris Johnson was the PM. But
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: to every passing day something that sort of confirmed that
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: this is going to happen. And the latest time, I'm
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: sure you saw it around the traps today was this
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: girl who rocked up to sort of multicultural day or
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: whatever it was at her school and she went dressed
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: in her culture, her nationality, and she's got the sort
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of spy skull's union jack dress on and she was
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: told no, you can't wear that here. You've got to
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: take that off and put your uniform on. And she
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: was sent off to sit in a room on her
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: own until her father came to pick her up. Who
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: she was talking about the situation birth teacher.
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: I saw she straight away just took me to go
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: get changed. She didn't want to hear about my dress
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: or see it. She just straight away get change and
• 27:32
  Speaker 9: not be in it. I never teacher try to stop
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: me and said you can't be in that. It's your
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: nationality and not your culture.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, if you're rocking up to a day where
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: kids get to talk about their culture or their heritage
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: or whatever, I mean, if you're just a bog standard brick,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: which if you follow my lineage back is basically what
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: I would be. And my surname is Bond. I know
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: people make jokes about bold word was just a Bond,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: No is your son James and all this sort of stuff,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: But I mean in England Bond is like as common
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: as it comes because it was a name for farmers,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: the bond with the land. So I'm just bog standard British.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know what the hell else I'd be
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: able to rock up wearing. But it turns out now
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in modern Britain you can't be proud of the fact
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: that you just come from British stock and rock up
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: in the Union Jack on Multicultural Day to say, well, actually,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: my culture the one that all of these other ones
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: have sort of come to my country to revel in
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: because it's so good is not one that I'm allowed
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: to celebrate.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: Well, this is the problem.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Everyone is able to celebrate their culture in multiculturalism, except
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: for Anglo white people. Everyone can come with their dress,
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: except if you want to dress in a union jack.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: And she wasn't even making a political point. She was
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: referring to the spice girls in British pop.
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: Which is that is British culture.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: British culture.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: British so in offensive.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: Though this is a girl in a sequin union jack,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: but that is too extreme. Celebrating Anglo British culture is
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: not allowed.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: And I understand.
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: You know, the British people did colonize the world, but
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: colonialism is the story of the entire world forever. Colonialism, war, racism,
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: that's just life. And the British were no worse at
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: it than anyone else, the French.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And the.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: Cheese eating surrender monkeys exactly.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: And then you look at what the British actually did,
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: the common law, the English language, They ended the transit
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: transatlantic slave trade, they brought the concept of humans started.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: The slave trade existed the British. The Arab slave trade
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: was farmer.
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: The Viking slave trade and how Vikings trading slaves out
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: of the very first British colony whose residents were horrendously
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: oppressed by the Brits. And that is of course my
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: ancestral home of Ireland, where the bridge behavior Oliver Cromwell
• 30:06
  Speaker 6: still haven't forgiveten you. So I'm going to add, let's
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: not forget the potato famine ex so you know I
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: will be demanding reparations from the British government for what
• 30:17
  Speaker 6: they did to my people back in the day, the
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: very first colony. But you're absolutely but to humiliate a
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: girl like I find that actually really disgusting. Like I
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: think you can laugh at pretty much anything, but when
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: it's kids and they're actually being taken aside and effectively
• 30:33
  Speaker 6: publicly humiliating because they disappear and then.
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: They come back, and this saying I'm proud to be British.
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: I mean even having that whole cultural war debate and
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: setting it to one side, the idea that you would
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: embarrass like even if I'm.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I have to humiliate you.
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: In front of your entire class and your set of peers,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: because technically you've come as a nationality and.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: Not as that culture.
• 30:54
  Speaker 6: And it's about culture so I have to make an
• 30:57
  Speaker 6: example of you because I'm an adult and I'm progressive
• 31:00
  Speaker 6: and you're a child, and I have to make your
• 31:01
  Speaker 6: feel embarrassed in front of you.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: Like that is borderline abuse.
• 31:04
  Speaker 6: That's a horrible thing to do to a kid, especially
• 31:07
  Speaker 6: on a special occasion where they're all supposedly excited. So
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: I hate that, and also that teacher give me my reparations.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: But also this nitpicking about you know, it's nationality rather
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: than a culture. Isn't the culture linked to the nationality?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, is the teacher saying, you know, she you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: should have rapped up looking like a chav or I like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: we've got to get down to whether your scouse or seriously,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: it's the same thing.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: It is truly absurd. But someone or two people who
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: do deserve to be publicly shamed are two British men
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: who cut down the iconic Sycamore Gap tree in the UK,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: and they have now each been sentenced to four years
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: and three months in prison for their offense.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Check it out.
• 31:56
  Speaker 10: It was a piece of regional heritage known around the world.
• 32:00
  Speaker 10: The Sycamore Gap tree stood for more than one hundred
• 32:02
  Speaker 10: and fifty years until it was felled an act of
• 32:06
  Speaker 10: mindless vandalism that took mere minutes. In a video digitally
• 32:12
  Speaker 10: enhanced final Thumbria Police, you see the outline of a
• 32:15
  Speaker 10: person here a chainsaw, and then the tree topples. That
• 32:25
  Speaker 10: act was carried out by two men, Daniel Graham and
• 32:28
  Speaker 10: Adam Carruthers.
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: The sentences on count one four years and three months
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: imprisonment on count two six months imprisonment, but to be
• 32:37
  Speaker 11: served concurrently with the sentence on count one.
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: Now, one of the outrageous details that made this even
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: worse was that video was sent to one of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: criminal's girlfriends, who was at home with their twelve day
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: old baby. She sent a video of the baby and
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: he said, I've got a better video for you, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: it was then down this tree.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Mate.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You've got a twelve day old baby at home and
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: you're out there chopping down a beautiful historic tree.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: It's horrible.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Sung about the birds singing in the sycamore tree, Well
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: they're not singing in that one anymore. What the hell?
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 33:16
  Speaker 6: What about it makes me so angry, so dumb to
• 33:19
  Speaker 6: make an eventful I don't know, like.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Who sees something like that? Which is you know, an
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: iconic photo across the world. It's a tourist attraction, something.
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: That people stood next to that tree as Robin hood like,
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: but no respect for history.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: It's a piece of natural beauty. What what is wrong
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: with Look our producer, I will know he's going to
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: kill me afterwards. We're saying this. He thinks, you know,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: every tree being cut down to bed?
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: What all the other trees, all the other trees we never.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Talk about exactly? So does everyone get four years or
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: are these books just two people who decided they cut
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: down tree. But seriously, if that's your idea of fun,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: stick yourself at a forty four gallon drum and fire
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: yourself into the sun. As far as I'm concerned. Moving
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: over to the United States, you're probably across all this
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: business where Donald Trump and Pambondi are now saying that
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: there are no Epstein files, after of course they promised
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: and campaigned that they would be releasing the Epstein files.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: It's all rather bizarre. But now Donald Trump is claiming
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that the Epstein files that apparently don't exist, which you know,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: as I'm sure you know, are meant to be a
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: list of people who went to Epstein's private Ireland to
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: potentially engage in child sex, child rape. You can understand
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: why people would be interested in whereabouts and contents of
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: this document that is apparently now fabricated. He says, it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: pretty boring stuff.
• 34:57
  Speaker 5: Why do you think.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: Yours supporters in particular have been so interested in the
• 35:02
  Speaker 6: Epstein story and so upset about how it's been handled.
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: I don't understand it why they would be so interested.
• 35:08
  Speaker 12: He's dead for a long time. He was never a
• 35:11
  Speaker 12: big factor in terms of life. The credible information has
• 35:16
  Speaker 12: been given. Don't forget we went through years of the
• 35:18
  Speaker 12: mull witch hunt and all of the different things, the
• 35:21
  Speaker 12: Steel dossier, which was all fake. All that information was fake.
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: But I don't understand why the Jeffrey Epste case would
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: be of interest to anybody.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: It's pretty boring stuff.
• 35:33
  Speaker 12: It's sorted, but it's boring, and I don't understand why
• 35:37
  Speaker 12: it keeps going.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: I don't understand why a list of potential pedophiles, some
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: of the richest and most powerful people in the world,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: would be of interest to anybody like this is the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: most bizarre, fasorable lover.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: I think the problem is they recklessly campaigned on what
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: is basically a conspiracy.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: The Epstein conspiracy.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But they did the same thing with the JFK files,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: the MLK files. Those have been released and they're actually
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: very anticlimactic turns up. Turns out it's very hard to
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: stage a mass cover up in the US, and so
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: they've promised all this stuff. They haven't been able to
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: deliver the goods. So I think it's more a reflection
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: on their incompetence rather than some conspiracy.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: Hey, I know I said that I would release the
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: Epstein files, but I don't want to. Even better, I've
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: looked through all the names and they're really boring, so
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: I don't have to worry about it.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: I've done it for you. It's great, it's great. It's
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: really boring, sorted, but boring.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'll give you my theory. Epstein files do exist in
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: some form, but they won't be released by this administration
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: for the same reason they weren't released by the last administration.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: It's a mutually assured destruction. After the break, we'll get
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: into the papers. Apparently we're not far off Australian scientists
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: being able to create create babies out of the DNA
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: of three different parents. That more coming up soon. All right,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: let's get into the papers, Joe, what's going on thee?
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Well, what's going on Caleb?
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: Mister bond, if I may is just simply the greatest
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: story of all time, the Mark Latham sexting Textso I
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: actually think the sexting is probably, you know, the least
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: worst thing about him, then a thing. I think it
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: sort of rounds out his character. But anyway, a great
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: front page of the Daily Telegraph text pest. It says
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: Latham's secret phone picks of female impairs. This is very
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: nice because this is not consensual. But MP Mark Latham
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: took photos of female politicians without their knowledge, criticized their appearance,
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: and claimed to have pinched one on the bottom. Oh
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: an explosive messages sent to his then partner and the
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: messages to his now x yes x Natalie Matthews. Mister
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Latham also made sex jokes involving a table in his
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: parliamentary office.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: Well at least that joke has legs.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Ah Dan.
• 38:00
  Speaker 6: It comes as Labor called on the Coalition to cut
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: ties with mister Latham in their joint bid to change
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: the definition of workplace sexual harassment.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Given the current scan up.
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I'm surely the behavior and again he's taking photos of
• 38:13
  Speaker 6: female and ps without their permission and saying all sorts
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: of If that doesn't if that requires a change in
• 38:19
  Speaker 6: the definition of workplace sexual harassment, the definition can't be.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: Particularly good at the moment.
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: But anyway, that is just the latest development in the
• 38:29
  Speaker 6: Latham and I dare say there's probably a fair bit
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: of that story to run.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Because he's claiming, he claimed on Twitter today and he's
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: been doing most of his responses on Twitter, that this
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: is all part of a long running joke that he
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: had with his ex, and there's all this context and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. I mean, you know, I've
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: got to be perfectly honest. If you started going through
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: everyone's private messages and found every bad thing that they'd
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: said about a colleague of theirs, we'd probably.
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: I do not all the consensual stuff, all the dirty stuff,
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: whatever it is they're doing. I don't judge him at
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: all for that. Obviously, if it's in the public domain,
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: it is going to be I will.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Judge him a little bit that was discuss There.
• 39:13
  Speaker 6: Is one that I kind of maybe, but you know,
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: courses for courses, whatever floats your boat. But but it's
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: just it's just all so bonkers. And the thing with Lake,
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: the other thing is he doesn't deny stuff, like he's
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: denied that he was abuty or whatever, but all the
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: other stuff goes, oh yeah, yeah, I did that, man,
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: You know, what can you expect you? I'm sitting in
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: question time, my girlfriend says to me a naked pick.
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: Of course, I've got to say that, and he's saying, oh, yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: it was the best sex of my life. But anyway,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: it's over now, Like he's the guys just not put
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: together like the rest of us.
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: I've had a history with him.
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: It's something I really you know, I kept believing him
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: even as he kept sort of dropping these grenades at
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: his feet. I think he's probably a bit too far
• 39:59
  Speaker 6: gone now. But anyway, great news.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: Great news. It's perfect tabloid fodder. Let's go to the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: front of The Herald's son Tomorrow where, speaking of perfect
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: tabloid vodder, toilet tryst legend slams online cards compared to
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: AFL racial abuse to his cyber bullying, Carey's troll torm Interfurious,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Wayne Carey has condemned anonymous keyboard cards quote unquote, highlighting
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: the recent racial abuse of two AFL stars by online
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: trolls while detailing the toll of cyber bullying he has
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: experienced over an alleged wine bar toilet trist for And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: this was a video that some women had taken of
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: allegedly a woman coming out of a toilet, and then
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: he comes supposedly out of the same toilet, but you
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: can't actually see it in the video about thirty seconds later.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: And so these women, by posting the video were suggesting
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: that he'd gone in there to have sex with this woman.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: And he's now saying that it's cyber bullying, etc. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: these things. You know, whether or not that is true,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and he of course denies it is sort of beyond
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: the point. But these things just sort of seem to
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: attract Wayne Carey.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Attracts these things.
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: Isn't a disgracel that, after you know, after all, after
• 41:13
  Speaker 6: everything that Wayne Carey has done for women and their sisterhood,
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: and hasn't just done for the broader women's movement, but
• 41:21
  Speaker 6: done to women individually as well, done for them, that
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: they could.
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: Then betray him like this unbelievable. I mean, that's what
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: do you have to do?
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Honestly, let the duck He's one of a kind, isn't he?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: One baby, three parents is another story, all in front
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: of the herald sun tomorrow. Australia is on track to
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: create a baby with three people's DNA as early as
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: next year, after Britain revealed eight such children had been
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: born through the technology. The landmark re search from Britain's
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: World First program offers hope to thousands of families desperate
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: to spare their children from a group of debilitating, life
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: threatening genetic conditions called mitochondrial disease. Fear enough for playing.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: God, well, I think the problem is where does this lead?
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: A lot of these fertility treatments start with good intentions,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: but then they rapidly expand we're already seeing designer.
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: Babies in the US.
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: I know some same sex couples are looking at this
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: and thinking they can have genetically related babies from two
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: male partners now through this technology. So you've always got
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: to ask. Might sound okay now for some medical purposes,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: but where is this going to lead? And I think
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: it leads us down a rabbit hole that we don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: want to go down. Moving on to the NT News now,
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Secrets Taken to the Grave Outback killer dies in hospital.
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: The man convicted of murdering British backpacker Peter Falo has
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: succumbed to his throat cancer in Alice Springs hospital. Luciano Falo.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: The wall.
• 42:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there you're just it was perfect, genetically modified baby, Yes, exactly.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: So.
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: He has told of his heartache over the Murdoch, over
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Murdoch dying without revealing the burial sign of his murdered son.
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: Obviously huge case that I don't remember because I probably
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: wasn't alive, but you know, very sad.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: They've been trying to plead with him, plead with him, sorry,
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: because they knew he was dying. He had throat cancer,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: which is what has claimed him, of course, but they
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: had been pleading in the last few months to say, please,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: before you go, tell us where he is, and he refused.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: Murdock refused to do so, but of course he maintained
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: his innocence his whole life, and his family in his
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: death are still maintaining his innocence and claiming that he's
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: a gentle giant.
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just not buying it.
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: And I think it's I think it's you know, him
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: just sort of having the last laugh. You know, he's
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: such a kind of monster that he wasn't even going
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: to give an inch on that, And I think that
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: gave him some kind of psychotic, psychopathic sort of satisfaction
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: that he still had. So that's what psychopaths love, and
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: that's why they carry and so the power that they
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: have over people.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: So hard for the family not to get that closure.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: That's the worst part.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: Terrible Onto the OS now and just a banger of
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: a yarn by Steve Jackson, who's been doing incredible job
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: as their media writer and the new diary writer in
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: the OS. But it's just not a story that anyone
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: I think had on their bingo card for the twenty
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: first cent.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I think there's been a couple of those this week.
• 44:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah, well you might say, you know, roly few people
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: saw that coming anyway. First World Warhurst reads the headline
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: very good, get it. ABC exposes petty fence feud but
• 44:40
  Speaker 6: covers up myths, starring role and again exclusive by Steve Jackson.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: A trivial suburban dispute over ABC personality myth Warhurst fence
• 44:50
  Speaker 6: line has escalated into allegations the public broadcaster launched a
• 44:55
  Speaker 6: one sided, quote unquote journalistic hit job quote unquote on
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: her name Zeba. The ABC has now been accused of
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: breaching its editorial guidelines and wasting thousands of taxpayer dollars
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: after publishing a withering takedown of mother of three Carla
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: Martinez on its website and social media last May, while
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: failing to even disclose its star presenter, best known for
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: a recurring role on the ABC's music comedy quiz shows
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: Spicks and Specs, was a central player in the vicious
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: neighborhood feud. The furor first began when Warhurst, then partner
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: architect Brian Steendyke, started tearing down a twenty six meter
• 45:35
  Speaker 6: stretch of the disputed dividing fence they shared with neighbor
• 45:40
  Speaker 6: Miss Martinez with a chainsaw and grinder quote unquote, at
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: their North Warrandyke home on Melbourne's northeastern fringe in late
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: December twenty twenty two.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: That has just got everything, doesn't it. Warandit for those
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: sort of hippie.
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: Enclave sort of on the outskirt in Melbourne, very leafy,
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: very you know, peace love among beans. You know, what
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: a terrible to see people fighting like that.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: What a bizarre story. Pick up the old tomorrow and
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: know more about that and quickly before we go A
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: tribute on the front of the advertiser tomorrow to Barry Roberin,
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of course, great Sandful in South Australia, a humble legend
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: and the best player to ever pull on the boots
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: in the Sandful were among the tributes paid to Barry
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: Roburin yesterday. The seventy seven year old Triple mcgeary medallist
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: and Football Hall of Fame legend died suddenly as he
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: was to have knee surgery. And anyone who knows about,
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: of course, the fore runner to the National AFL Sandful
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: in South Australia will know what a great legend Barry
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Roburin was of the game. After the break, How would
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: you like to live in a cemetery? And by that,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I don't mean how do you like the idea of
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: carking it cemetry? But actually living in the cemetery. I'll
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: tell you more about that soon. How do you fancy
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: living in a symmetry? Could well be reality if you
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: happen to be a writer. Waverley Council in Sydney has
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: decided that the old Caretaker's Cottage and the Waverley Symmetry
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: will be repurposed into something of a writer's grotto. They're
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: going to put it up, so they'll do it up
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: so you can live in there, and they'll ask for applications,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: and if you're a successful applicant, you'll be able to
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: stay there for five months with two other writers. You'll
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: have a room of your own to live in where
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: you can read, write, research, and draft in a quote
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: unquote fully functional equipped space. Now that the thinking must
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: be that being in the cemetery will somehow get the
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: creative juices flowing and allow you to be able to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: write better. I don't quite know. They're going to start
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: with local writers and then potentially open up to international writers.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Come and live in the cemetery of barbas Can.
• 47:54
  Speaker 6: I say, I cannot think of anything more creepy and disturbing,
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: chilling and terrifying than living with two other writers. How
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: could you do it to yourself?
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: That is?
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: Anyway, here's a great idea that the boys in marketing
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: came up with. Let's make children's games gambling platforms in
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: Las Vegas. Yeah, this will go off, guys, so get
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: this right. Toy company Mattel is opening a nighttime social
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: club in Las Vegas for card players Uno card players.
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: That is, as my eleven year old son enjoys. I
• 48:32
  Speaker 6: can't wait to get him to hit the blackjack table
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: without time he started earning his keep. The Uno Social
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: Club will be aimed at providing adults a modern and
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: more grown up venue for enjoying the children's card game.
• 48:45
  Speaker 6: According to the press release, any adults who enjoy Uno
• 48:49
  Speaker 6: should not be trusted with poker chips, like they.
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: Should not be gambling.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: If Uno is your thing, stay away from the poker tables.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: This is just not for you.
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: And the rebell include gaming tables, a private dealer, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: a variety of Uno games and expansions for players. Mattel
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: is celebrating the Chelter Rooms opening with a TikTok contest
• 49:09
  Speaker 6: so you can throw away all your money and get
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: spired on by the Chinese government all at the same time.
• 49:14
  Speaker 5: There you go, what a great idea.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: How good?
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm really bad at poker and gambling, but
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: you know I do know how to play, so it
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: might be time to.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Him to get well.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Like I think, I'm going to stick to the dogs
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and the gigs. To be perfectly honest, Thank you for
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: joining us tonight. Coming up next to read him Pat
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: and the Show