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Polemics on Morals, Morale, and Worldviews · I Hate Talking

• 0:29
  I Hate Talking: Welcome to episode 78 of I Hate Talking.
• 0:32
  I Hate Talking: Hi everyone.
• 0:33
  I Hate Talking: So we, I guess we'll continue on what we were talking about in our last episode with the importance and priority of morals versus morale.
• 0:46
  I Hate Talking: And before we do, however, we'll have our word or phrase of the episode.
• 0:53
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, so this may be slightly related, or maybe not, but I was thinking about, as we were talking about last episode, morale and morals and what's more important and what do I value more, and the word Cole Mickel came up.
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  I Hate Talking: Do you know what that word means?
• 1:12
  I Hate Talking: I think I'm saying it right.
• 1:14
  I Hate Talking: I've only ever read it.
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  I Hate Talking: Does it have a P T O L E M I C?
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  I Hate Talking: No, no, I'm polemical.
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  I Hate Talking: Polemical polemical.
• 1:23
  I Hate Talking: Polemical.
• 1:25
  I Hate Talking: I don't think I am familiar with this particular word.
• 1:28
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 1:30
  I Hate Talking: So, for your favorite Oxford language dictionary, it says expressing or constituting a strong critical attack or controversial opinion about someone or something.
• 1:47
  I Hate Talking: Polemical.
• 1:48
  I Hate Talking: So a strong attack about a topic, a critical attack or controversial opinion.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: Hm, interesting.
• 1:55
  I Hate Talking: So it makes sense because poll is the beginning of it, and often when something is polarized, right, it would be the opposite of So polemical would mean like a strong opinion against someone or something.
• 2:15
  I Hate Talking: So it has nothing to do with Claudius Ptolemy.
• 2:19
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 2:20
  I Hate Talking: You can, uh, inform us more about that.
• 2:23
  I Hate Talking: Well, that was the word that came to my mind when you said polemic.
• 2:28
  I Hate Talking: Was Telemy because of the silent P in the beginning.
• 2:33
  I Hate Talking: But I don't think it has anything to do with that because that has to do with astronomy and math based on an Earth-centered or geocentric model of the universe.
• 2:47
  I Hate Talking: Hm.
• 2:48
  I Hate Talking: No, also because I don't think the P is silent in the beginning of this word.
• 2:54
  I Hate Talking: You're correct, it's not polemic.
• 2:56
  I Hate Talking: I can see it when you're looking at it, maybe you or when I'm pronouncing it, you would assume it is.
• 3:02
  I Hate Talking: But the etymology, I don't know.
• 3:06
  I Hate Talking: You usually look up the etymology, so maybe I'm doing this wrong, but from my sources on the great Google, it says the etymology comes from the Greek word polemyos, meaning warlike or hostile, and also from the word pomos, which means war.
• 3:28
  I Hate Talking: Indeed, which would make sense that it would be a Greek word because they were probably more infatuated with war than those that were speaking Latin in the day, and even their particular debates and things that they were discussing and arguing and debating on things that used words were quite warlike, I guess, because they were trying to prove a point.
• 3:56
  I Hate Talking: So it does make sense.
• 3:57
  I Hate Talking: This would be a Greek word and not a Latin word, polemic.
• 4:02
  I Hate Talking: Right, cause even as our children are getting older, and they're reading more what we'd call classic books, they're even picking up on that, like the words and the terms are much more war oriented than our modern day English stories we tell.
• 4:19
  I Hate Talking: So I think that was part of the culture.
• 4:22
  I Hate Talking: And it just reminded me of what we were talking about before, whether something may be polemic, because I think morals and morale can very much be polemic, depending on what side you're standing on.
• 4:36
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 4:37
  I Hate Talking: So I guess people could find polemics sort of as a polemic.
• 4:42
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, because, and I, this is all said in love and in like trying to see your side of it too, is I feel like often the culture you came from and your personality tends to be more, not war-like, so polemics probably not the right word, but definitely more critical.
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  I Hate Talking: Cause you wanna improve everything, so you're always looking at it with a critical eye, cause it can always be improved.
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  I Hate Talking: Where I come from the polar opposite.
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  I Hate Talking: And I want to always look on the best intentions of people and smooth things over.
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  I Hate Talking: So I think as a couple, as a whole, that works out well.
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  I Hate Talking: Because we're both sides, and then hopefully we come in the middle.
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  I Hate Talking: But sometimes it's exhausting for both of us because you're looking at it critically.
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  I Hate Talking: I'm saying, hey, let's think about this in the best intentions.
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  I Hate Talking: And so I think it's a lot of work for both of us.
• 5:42
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 5:43
  I Hate Talking: So I think as an aside, the reason that I was thinking of Ptolemy is there must have been some sort of play on words or something.
• 5:54
  I Hate Talking: That I'm thinking of because the particular viewpoint that the Earth is the center of the universe was known as Ptolemy, which was named after this gentleman, Claudius Ptolemy, and if you hold to that particular view, then you are said to be related or relating your viewpoint as a Ptolemaic viewpoint.
• 6:21
  I Hate Talking: So, I think somewhere in the recesses of my memory, there must have been some sort of Ptolemaic polemic that was some sort of like play on words or funny story, but I mean they sound good together.
• 6:35
  I Hate Talking: So what you're saying is when you talk to an individual who likes things their way, or in our vernacular would say, the universe revolves around them and their wants, we could just say stop being so Ptolemaic.
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  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
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  I Hate Talking: -- And -- that's pretty pom polemic, is that what you're saying?
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  I Hate Talking: And that would be polemaic because it's causing warlike or dissension.
• 7:01
  I Hate Talking: No, just polemic.
• 7:03
  I Hate Talking: It's not an exact one for one rhyming word, but I guess you could use that particular phraseology or maybe then you would be pontificating.
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  I Hate Talking: Right.
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  I Hate Talking: If you say it fast, I feel like a lot of people would like, it's pretty arrogant.
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  I Hate Talking: What is he talking about?
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  I Hate Talking: Uh, and then just hope that they don't push you further on it.
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  I Hate Talking: Precisely, but If they do, now we know something more about the word polemic and Ptolemaic, and hopefully you, our listeners have perhaps learned something new as well about both of these words that are not related at all, but Maybe in some short story or play on words actually are, but.
• 7:49
  I Hate Talking: Not directly, right, and going back to what you're talking about pontificating, I know it's definitely that, what's that concept called where like, is it just bias or whatnot, like when you start noticing, like you wanna buy a red car, so you see all the red cars on the road.
• 8:05
  I Hate Talking: What's that called again?
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  I Hate Talking: Frequency bias.
• 8:08
  I Hate Talking: So that's probably what it is, but several times since recording that episode, I've heard people use the word pontificate.
• 8:15
  I Hate Talking: And several of them, the most educated, there's a professor I listened to, and he uses it properly.
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  I Hate Talking: But a lot of other people don't.
• 8:24
  I Hate Talking: So I was like, oh, look, obviously he knows the word as he is this prestigious professor.
• 8:29
  I Hate Talking: So good for him.
• 8:31
  I Hate Talking: And then all these other people used it how we initially used it.
• 8:34
  I Hate Talking: So that's just been interesting to notice that word is used a lot more frequently than I've realized before.
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  I Hate Talking: And most often used incorrectly, it sounds like.
• 8:46
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, well, at least in my unprofessional experience, yes, indeed.
• 8:51
  I Hate Talking: So polemic, I guess then we will launch into a critical attack on whether morals or morale is important.
• 8:58
  I Hate Talking: Is that what you're getting at?
• 9:00
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 9:01
  I Hate Talking: So, I think you alluded to the fact that both are important, but you do seem to prefer perhaps morale over morals, especially for your own personal experience and how you enjoy the world and experience the world.
• 9:20
  I Hate Talking: Is that a fair statement?
• 9:21
  I Hate Talking: Um, yes and no.
• 9:24
  I Hate Talking: So, As a person, as an adult who I feel like my morals are pretty locked in there, some stuff has changed over the years, and I'm sure will change in the future, but as a whole, what I'd say is my core morals are pretty ingrained, and I would really be surprised if any of those kind of things changed.
• 9:48
  I Hate Talking: So, as a person, I'm more impacted by the morale.
• 9:54
  I Hate Talking: Because someone else's morals doesn't necessarily impact me, because I'm so like, this is the key.
• 10:02
  I Hate Talking: Again, there's stuff that nuances, but the key points I don't think are gonna change.
• 10:07
  I Hate Talking: So their personality, their morale impacts me more than their core beliefs.
• 10:13
  I Hate Talking: Does that make sense?
• 10:14
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so because you are committed to your own morals.
• 10:20
  I Hate Talking: So even if they have differing morals, you will perhaps emphasize the morale over the morals because yours are set and theirs are set.
• 10:29
  I Hate Talking: So therefore, the only thing that really is.
• 10:33
  I Hate Talking: Flexible in this situation is the morale.
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: Right?
• 10:37
  I Hate Talking: OK, so an extreme example for my personal story would be that I am a Christian, and that is a very strong key moral I have.
• 10:46
  I Hate Talking: If I'm talking to someone who is not a Christian, and then again, maybe that's their key moral.
• 10:53
  I Hate Talking: I know that, and it depends on their morale.
• 10:58
  I Hate Talking: Like if they're a nice person.
• 10:59
  I Hate Talking: I'm gonna get along with them really well still.
• 11:03
  I Hate Talking: And we're gonna know that we disagree, but we can still have a dinner and be kind.
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  I Hate Talking: But if that person's morale is very negative or contrary to me.
• 11:15
  I Hate Talking: And I'm not gonna be able to have a positive dinner with them.
• 11:18
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so.
• 11:20
  I Hate Talking: It's interesting to note that in my mind when I'm trying to speak the word morality, that I'm actually now associating it with morale and not moral, because when you say morality, it actually sounds more like morale than moral, but I guess that goes back to our previous episode that they added the E, moral and morality because of the ITY.
• 11:45
  I Hate Talking: You're actually extending that AL sound a bit.
• 11:50
  I Hate Talking: So am I messing it up or just is more confusing?
• 11:53
  I Hate Talking: I think it's just a detriment of the English language in terms of the pronunciation that morality actually refers to morals, but sounds more like morale because of the way that the pronunciation works.
• 12:08
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's confusing, but if I was gonna like go further on that, that's just for me personally.
• 12:14
  I Hate Talking: When I think about my children who I think are much more moldable at this age, I think that putting them with adults.
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  I Hate Talking: With similar morals is more important to me.
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  I Hate Talking: Because I think that they're still being shaped and deciding what they believe.
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  I Hate Talking: And I want that kind of influence on them.
• 12:37
  I Hate Talking: I want both.
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  I Hate Talking: I want good morale, I want upbeat, positive people, but I, more importantly, want people that have similar morals to me to be shaping and influencing them.
• 12:51
  I Hate Talking: Is that fair to say?
• 12:53
  I Hate Talking: Does that distinction make sense?
• 12:55
  I Hate Talking: Yes, because you want them to have good morality.
• 13:00
  I Hate Talking: I don't think morality is a word though.
• 13:03
  I Hate Talking: I know, but that's how it should be pronounced based on what I just said.
• 13:07
  I Hate Talking: It's not morality, it's morality.
• 13:09
  I Hate Talking: All right, so I, I challenge you to start using that word instead.
• 13:13
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I think people just think I'm dumb.
• 13:16
  I Hate Talking: But -- Then -- you can say it's because we are concerned with morals, not morale.
• 13:22
  I Hate Talking: There you go.
• 13:25
  I Hate Talking: All right, so tell me your opinions.
• 13:27
  I Hate Talking: So as you're speaking, it does seem that morals are the higher priority.
• 13:33
  I Hate Talking: But you're presupposing that I think the people that we associate will have the same morals, so therefore, Morale will become more of the differentiator in terms of your experience and who we associate with.
• 13:50
  I Hate Talking: Which is probably true for where we live within the United States that that is going to be the case.
• 13:58
  I Hate Talking: I think if you were confronted with perhaps somebody that had a completely different set of morals.
• 14:04
  I Hate Talking: And to take it to the extreme or like trying to harm you for your particular moral code that you would prioritize morals over morale.
• 14:17
  I Hate Talking: They could be very happy doing that and trying to harm you, but That would be a particular scenario where you're going to emphasize and prioritize morals over morale.
• 14:28
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I agree.
• 14:29
  I Hate Talking: So this is definitely a caveat of my specific, like I said, not even about the kids, but my specific interpretation or experience, because yeah, most of the people I see and interact with more than just a passing hi bye kind of thing.
• 14:47
  I Hate Talking: have very similar morals to me.
• 14:50
  I Hate Talking: There are people that don't, and I do interact with them.
• 14:54
  I Hate Talking: But not on a daily basis necessarily, but.
• 14:58
  I Hate Talking: In a significant way.
• 15:01
  I Hate Talking: And so when I'm dealing with them in this a significant way, I'd rather them have good morale and have it be a positive thing because I don't think we're gonna necessarily hatch out changes.
• 15:14
  I Hate Talking: And so knowing that we're going into this interaction.
• 15:18
  I Hate Talking: Differing Let's have good moral morale.
• 15:22
  I Hate Talking: Oh, see, now I'm confused, good morale about it, cause we're not gonna change each other's opinions.
• 15:27
  I Hate Talking: But this is a rarity, it's not a daily conversation I have.
• 15:32
  I Hate Talking: So I think maybe I have a broader definition of morals than what you're describing, cause it sounds like you're describing morals as like a System of belief and values.
• 15:46
  I Hate Talking: Versus what I would sort of consider morals as a systematized pattern of acceptable behavior.
• 15:53
  I Hate Talking: What do you mean by that?
• 15:55
  I Hate Talking: Cause yeah, I think I'm definitely thinking like morals, like don't lie, don't steal.
• 16:01
  I Hate Talking: God is the creator.
• 16:04
  I Hate Talking: Like those are my morals.
• 16:06
  I Hate Talking: So what do you think when you say the word morals?
• 16:08
  I Hate Talking: I mean, I have more and more others, but that's just so I think those would still be within the category of morals.
• 16:16
  I Hate Talking: Perhaps not the belief system.
• 16:18
  I Hate Talking: I don't necessarily know if God as creator would necessarily be a quote unquote moral because it's not necessarily related to behavior.
• 16:26
  I Hate Talking: Maybe it will drive certain aspects of your behavior, but for all intents and purposes, it's not necessarily a behavior.
• 16:34
  I Hate Talking: I think morals are a behavior though.
• 16:37
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, but God as creator does not necessarily -- or -- beliefs.
• 16:41
  I Hate Talking: That's just I think that morals are beliefs.
• 16:43
  I Hate Talking: No, I don't think so.
• 16:45
  I Hate Talking: I think morals are a systematized pattern of acceptable behavior.
• 16:50
  I Hate Talking: That one holds Do we have to go back to our previous words?
• 16:55
  I Hate Talking: I think we need to go back and redefine it because I think it is.
• 16:57
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 16:58
  I Hate Talking: So just a little side note, as I'm homeschooling our youngest, he's learning the alphabet.
• 17:05
  I Hate Talking: And every sound comes with a story, like a moral story, about like, don't take, you know, like, don't push in front of the line, be willing to wait your turn.
• 17:19
  I Hate Talking: Or don't take what doesn't belong to you or be truthful.
• 17:24
  I Hate Talking: Like, it's always those kind of stories that have a lot of words with that sound in it.
• 17:30
  I Hate Talking: So I would say those are morals, like those are his beliefs that were instilling in him to wait your turn, don't shove in front of the line.
• 17:39
  I Hate Talking: But you will be rewarded if you wait.
• 17:43
  I Hate Talking: That's a moral.
• 17:44
  I Hate Talking: But that's a belief that we have that we're instilling in him, right?
• 17:49
  I Hate Talking: Yes, but it's still based on action and what one does.
• 17:53
  I Hate Talking: So, to quote again the second definition of moral from Oxford Language Dictionary, it says, quote, a person's standards of behavior or beliefs concerning what is and is not acceptable for them to do.
• 18:09
  I Hate Talking: So all the beliefs.
• 18:12
  I Hate Talking: And all the standards are based on doing, not necessarily beliefs in general about particular concepts or theology or anything like that.
• 18:23
  I Hate Talking: I guess that gets really nuanced because I would argue.
• 18:27
  I Hate Talking: That my beliefs in theology impacts everything I do.
• 18:33
  I Hate Talking: Yes, I think then you're probably talking more about worldview than morals.
• 18:38
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 18:39
  I Hate Talking: So you think worldview is different than morals?
• 18:42
  I Hate Talking: Absolutely.
• 18:43
  I Hate Talking: How so?
• 18:44
  I Hate Talking: Cause I am not sure.
• 18:47
  I Hate Talking: I'm not convinced, so convince me.
• 18:48
  I Hate Talking: So, worldview, to put simply, is how you view the world.
• 18:53
  I Hate Talking: It is going to be your particular preconceived biases or your preconceived beliefs about how the world functions, perhaps even beliefs about the nature of man and humankind, the nature and even existence of God.
• 19:16
  I Hate Talking: The particular historical things that the earth would have been subjected to through its creation or existence and things of that nature, that will be your worldview, and I do agree that your worldview will drive your beliefs and potentially influence your morals, but.
• 19:41
  I Hate Talking: If your particular worldview is that there is no God and the earth was created through evolution and the Big Bang and all these things.
• 19:54
  I Hate Talking: And yet Society says that it is not right to cut in line.
• 20:03
  I Hate Talking: Your moral code is that.
• 20:06
  I Hate Talking: You wait in line versus somebody that has a worldview that believes as God is creator, and the earth was created by him, and he still reigns over it.
• 20:19
  I Hate Talking: That likewise you can have a moral code that says that it is wrong to cut in line, so you could still arrive at the same moral code even though your worldview is completely opposite.
• 20:34
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 20:36
  I Hate Talking: I mean, that sounds good.
• 20:39
  I Hate Talking: Trying to think.
• 20:40
  I Hate Talking: What my changes would be on that.
• 20:43
  I Hate Talking: I think that one is based on cultural or like acceptance, maybe the morale of the group.
• 20:51
  I Hate Talking: You don't wanna cut in line cause you know that that's gonna make those around you angry or unfair.
• 20:59
  I Hate Talking: Versus you don't cut in line because you think of others as more important than yourself.
• 21:04
  I Hate Talking: That's true.
• 21:06
  I Hate Talking: That will drive perhaps the Intrinsic nature of how you derive your moral code.
• 21:14
  I Hate Talking: Because at some point you have to arrive at a moral code of some kind, and I think that A lot of ways that perhaps people arrive at a moral code is through societal norms versus absolute truth, but nonetheless, they still have a moral code that is based on a systematized pattern of acceptable behavior.
• 21:35
  I Hate Talking: However they get there.
• 21:37
  I Hate Talking: OK.
• 21:39
  I Hate Talking: So you didn't answer.
• 21:41
  I Hate Talking: Oh, go ahead.
• 21:42
  I Hate Talking: I didn't answer what?
• 21:43
  I Hate Talking: What you think.
• 21:44
  I Hate Talking: So I think that taking this broader view of morals and the definition thereof, that it's simply a systematized pattern of acceptable behavior.
• 21:56
  I Hate Talking: That I will prioritize that over morale.
• 22:01
  I Hate Talking: But again, I think that's more around behavior, whether that be societal norms or particular things that I see as duty that people should do.
• 22:14
  I Hate Talking: That if there's a piece of trash on the ground, perhaps I will not be bothered with it, and I will have quote unquote better morale if I can just go about my business and do my own thing.
• 22:25
  I Hate Talking: But that it is everyone's duty.
• 22:29
  I Hate Talking: And proper moral code to pick up the trash and throw it away.
• 22:36
  I Hate Talking: And this is a very simple example, but I think the thing can also be applied to any other general concepts where there's a particular duty to do something.
• 22:47
  I Hate Talking: That that would fall under the moral code that I would hold to, that you should do those things, even if it is frustrating or a detriment to morale.
• 23:01
  I Hate Talking: And that if you are in a group of people that have the same moral code, that in fact, your morale may be high when you are all doing your duty.
• 23:10
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, it's like let's all just have good morals and then everyone has good morale.
• 23:17
  I Hate Talking: Would be the ideal, right?
• 23:19
  I Hate Talking: I suppose so, but the fact is that people have different moral ethics, and perhaps there's somebody that does not consider it morally required to pick up trash, and therefore they are still living by their moral code because it should have been the person that originally obtained that particular item that they should have thrown it in the trash.
• 23:44
  I Hate Talking: So they are following their own moral code, so to speak.
• 23:49
  I Hate Talking: Even though that may conflict with societal norms or my personal moral code, OK, here's an extreme example.
• 23:57
  I Hate Talking: Say you're at a baseball game.
• 24:00
  I Hate Talking: And somebody throws their trash on the ground, you're like, oh, my moral says that's so bad.
• 24:06
  I Hate Talking: Clean it up, or I guess I'll have to go clean it up for them.
• 24:10
  I Hate Talking: Where that person's like, hey, I'm giving an employee a job.
• 24:15
  I Hate Talking: If I do this, if we're sweeping up after ourselves, then they don't need to hire someone.
• 24:20
  I Hate Talking: So I'm giving this employee a job so he can get a salary, so he can pay for his wife and his 6 kids he has at home and maybe one's in the hospital because they're sick and I'm giving them extra overtime.
• 24:35
  I Hate Talking: So extra salary to pay for their child's medical bills, right?
• 24:41
  I Hate Talking: Wouldn't that be a great moral to help that individual who needs the finances versus just picking up after somebody else.
• 24:49
  I Hate Talking: So I would say it would be good morals if you specifically knew that was the exact scenario and were able to give them a few dollars to help.
• 24:58
  I Hate Talking: So you'd rather clean up the trash and then just donate if that was the exact scenario, but I don't think that would be the exact scenario for many people.
• 25:05
  I Hate Talking: No, but that could be an argument, but theoretical situations are not an argument for.
• 25:11
  I Hate Talking: Violating moral code.
• 25:14
  I Hate Talking: But you're saying this is the person's moral code because of these theoretical situations, right?
• 25:19
  I Hate Talking: He's helping this person.
• 25:21
  I Hate Talking: I don't think that's a very good moral code then.
• 25:23
  I Hate Talking: Well, what about all the people that are like, I'm not gonna bag my groceries at Walmart or use the kiosk at McDonald's because I'm taking away jobs.
• 25:35
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, I guess that's their own moral code, but in some situations, you would have to just vote, so to speak, by not going there because in some instances, that's the only option you have now.
• 25:47
  I Hate Talking: I thought you're going to go a completely different direction with the moral code on whether it's right to demand a baseball to be returned to you or not.
• 25:56
  I Hate Talking: That was, that was a couple of weeks ago.
• 26:00
  I Hate Talking: I forgot about that.
• 26:01
  I Hate Talking: I already forgot about it.
• 26:02
  I Hate Talking: -- Oh -- man.
• 26:03
  I Hate Talking: Or is it proper moral code to steal a golf ball from a mini golf course because you don't put it into the prize machine?
• 26:11
  I Hate Talking: We almost broke up over that.
• 26:13
  I Hate Talking: We did.
• 26:14
  I Hate Talking: I kept it as a souvenir cause I thought it would be sweet to remember the state.
• 26:21
  I Hate Talking: And then Adam almost was dumped me for it.
• 26:24
  I Hate Talking: And I think you left your soda cup in the bathroom that same time or that was around the same time, and I was like, you need to throw that away.
• 26:33
  I Hate Talking: I don't know, why didn't you throw it away then?
• 26:35
  I Hate Talking: I don't think that was an in-person experience.
• 26:39
  I Hate Talking: I think you did that while we were on the phone or How did you know I did that?
• 26:44
  I Hate Talking: I don't know what you're talking about that one.
• 26:45
  I Hate Talking: I do remember the golf ball though.
• 26:47
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: I don't know.
• 26:49
  I Hate Talking: It's a fuzzy memory.
• 26:50
  I Hate Talking: So, I guess the point is, don't steal golf balls and pick up your trash.
• 26:55
  I Hate Talking: I guess that's my, that's my moral code.
• 26:58
  I Hate Talking: That's, that's what it boils down to.
• 27:00
  I Hate Talking: Don't steal golf balls and pick up your trash.
• 27:03
  I Hate Talking: I feel like I've got higher morals than that though.
• 27:05
  I Hate Talking: But we should leave it at that before we get into it.
• 27:10
  I Hate Talking: -- But -- I don't think we necessarily even have arrived at a consistent definition of morals.
• 27:14
  I Hate Talking: Because I think my definition is simply a systematized pattern of acceptable actions, where you have maybe a higher belief system in mind when it comes to a moral code.
• 27:26
  I Hate Talking: I do have a higher belief system in general.
• 27:30
  I Hate Talking: Wait, what do you mean?
• 27:36
  I Hate Talking: So explain that more so.
• 27:37
  I Hate Talking: Well, I think you're overlapping worldview and Moralty.
• 27:43
  I Hate Talking: Yes, but I would argue they have to.
• 27:46
  I Hate Talking: Right.
• 27:48
  I Hate Talking: And I would say that they don't, that you can have a strong system of acceptable actions without a higher belief.
• 27:56
  I Hate Talking: The society or your own person or the benefit of others, more of a utilitarian view of the world, you will actually arrive at the same conclusions, even though you have a different worldview.
• 28:11
  I Hate Talking: Possibly Well, that's my polemic.
• 28:16
  I Hate Talking: See, there you go.
• 28:19
  I Hate Talking: Isn't that a good word?
• 28:20
  I Hate Talking: I can use it now.
• 28:21
  I Hate Talking: So instead of saying stop being so critical or stop being so.
• 28:26
  I Hate Talking: Pontificatious.
• 28:27
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, you can just say you're being really, -- what's the word -- polemical, polemical.
• 28:33
  I Hate Talking: Don't be so polemical.
• 28:35
  I Hate Talking: Stop being so polemical.
• 28:36
  I Hate Talking: -- You -- need to have better morals.
• 28:38
  I Hate Talking: No, not necessarily.
• 28:40
  I Hate Talking: If you're being too polemical, then you're not violating a moral code.
• 28:44
  I Hate Talking: You're messing up morale.
• 28:46
  I Hate Talking: You're not messing up morals.
• 28:48
  I Hate Talking: I see.
• 28:48
  I Hate Talking: If you're being really polemical, the morale in the room will go down.
• 28:53
  I Hate Talking: But not necessarily the morals.
• 28:56
  I Hate Talking: Well, I guess the most important thing is not to be Ptolemamaical, Ptolemaical, like the world revolving around you, right?
• 29:05
  I Hate Talking: Yeah, the sun is the center of the universe.
• 29:06
  I Hate Talking: -- All -- right, we can agree on that unless you're going to the moon, and then it's actually easier to consider the moon as the center of the universe for all the mathematical calculations.
• 29:15
  I Hate Talking: Oh really?
• 29:16
  I Hate Talking: OK, really quickly, is someone going to Mars?
• 29:20
  I Hate Talking: Is that a true thing?
• 29:22
  I Hate Talking: I keep seeing this stuff about this girl who's like in her twenties and she's training to go to Mars and she's not gonna return.
• 29:29
  I Hate Talking: Is that real or not?
• 29:31
  I Hate Talking: They did that like 2 decades ago.
• 29:34
  I Hate Talking: They had some people selected for Mars missions and then it never came to fruition.
• 29:39
  I Hate Talking: So I don't know.
• 29:40
  I Hate Talking: Hopefully those people got other jobs and we're not still waiting around, but it would not surprise me.
• 29:46
  I Hate Talking: I've not heard this myself, that they were doing that, but it would not surprise me because they have done that in the past.
• 29:53
  I Hate Talking: My algorithm really wants me to believe this, and I'm not sure it's true or not.
• 29:56
  I Hate Talking: And I also haven't taken too much interest in finding out if it's true.
• 30:01
  I Hate Talking: Well, I certainly know they're not planning any manned missions to 3I Atlas, and in fact, I heard they are even canceling some of the autonomous missions.
• 30:10
  I Hate Talking: Huh.
• 30:11
  I Hate Talking: So that is our polemic on morals and morale.
• 30:17
  I Hate Talking: And you, our listeners can let us know if you agree with one of us versus the other.
• 30:25
  I Hate Talking: I think we align on some things, but maybe not all things.
• 30:28
  I Hate Talking: So we can continue this discussion as needed.
• 30:33
  I Hate Talking: And certainly feel free to leave a comment, send us an email, send us a text message, or perhaps there is something that you would like to hear about or a particular word or phrase that has been on your mind that we can talk about as well.
• 30:50
  I Hate Talking: Mhm.
• 30:50
  I Hate Talking: So from your friends at I Hate Talking, until next time, remember, it is only through talking that we begin the journey to understanding.