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[SPEAKER_00]: No Christian can point to any verse in the Bible where Jesus says, I am God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we heard this long, we heard a liberating message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 to 40% of our people who were brought here from West Africa were Muslim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Western world is a product of
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[SPEAKER_00]: the children of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why until this day, who does our government serve?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you look at the history of the world and you find these traditions where wealth and the world, things of the world are looked down upon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The ones who are keeping the people in check by way of those teachings, they lived well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lived well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lived well.
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[UNKNOWN]: They lived good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it necessary that Christians and Muslims specifically lack need to put aside differences and come to go?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I
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[SPEAKER_02]: Welcome to another awesome episode of Inside the Vault with Ashcast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The greatest money mindset show on the planet.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today, we have a true intellectual giant in the building, a man whose voice scholarship and leadership continues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The transformational legacy of EMM WD Muhammad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is the founder and director of the Institute of Karan Study and leadership and the host of the acclaimed podcast,
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[SPEAKER_02]: in society.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is a master of chronic Arabic, test, fear, comparative religion, philosophy, and UCL own dean.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know I'm messing all that up, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: He is also a prolific author with the groundbreaking work such as the message of Al Islam, the foundation of Al Islam, on-profits and prophetic types.
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[SPEAKER_02]: and the concept of blackness in Alislam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beyond the titles, this is a man committed to elevating human values, building global unity and showing how Alislam can serve as a bridge, not a barrier between communities, cultures, and even religious religions.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I had the honor, we have the honor of
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[SPEAKER_02]: a co-author in a book together called Islam for New Muslims, everything you need to know after you take your Shahada, a guy from New Muslims, reverts, and anyone seeking clarity on faith, prayer, community, identity, and living Islam in the modern world.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Today we are diving into Islam, money, leadership, human development, and one of the most important conversations of our time.
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[SPEAKER_02]: how Islam and Christianity can unite to uplift our people spiritually, socially, and economically.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Ladies and gentlemen, round of applause for my brother, E-Mam Rashad, Rashad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Wow, that's enough of your day.
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[SPEAKER_02]: a round of applause for my brother E-Man Rashad Abdul, I'm gonna start with the most controversial first, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because for me as somebody who was raised as a Christian, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So my mother, my mother was, you know, raised this as a Christian,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Later on in life, even before I took my shahata, later on in life, I got introduced to Islam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I understood the religion, which to me is, I don't look at it as a religion, I look at it as a way of life.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As we fast forward now to where we are in 2025, there's just so much divisiveness.
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[SPEAKER_02]: when I look at Christianity versus, and it's not even versus, but just like a stronghold, specifically in our community, it's like a stronghold on God, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so even when I see preachers on line, just kind of talking about the differences, if you will, between Islam and Christianity,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Why is it necessary that Christians and Muslims specifically black need to put aside differences and come to go?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Well, or is it necessary?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me just say that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, in my opinion, it is necessary for a lot of reasons, I guess the most important reason would be one of the most, if not the most important reason is we are the same people, we're the same people, so let's say hypothetically you're a Christian and I'm a Muslim and we stay on the same block.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to be dealing with the same things on that same block and those things that we deal with more often than not will be the same things that have to be dealt with by Muslims or Christians on the block next over in the block next over in the block next over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in other words, our condition is the same.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are one people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that goes more than just the block we stay on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I mean when I say we're one people, our history is our history, or we share a common history, meaning that we share a common set of influences, a common set of challenges that have served to make us one in terms of our psychology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: our behavior, even our aspirations as a group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, I never met my biological father in real life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I met him twice over the phone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's just the black man's story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, and you know, there's a lot of pathologies that characterize the African-American experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because of the lack of, now I did have a stepfather, but in general, because of the lack of fatherhood presence, there are certain skills, there are certain perceptions, there are certain...
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[SPEAKER_00]: insights that the African-American male does not have because of the fact that we weren't raised with fathers and fatherhood presence is not a thing in our communities until this day.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now that lack of fatherhood presence, we can trace that all the way back to a set of influences that have been put upon us from outside.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the time we were really before we were brought here but let alone from the time we were brought here on the slave on the shores of America by way of the slave ship put on the auction block there were mechanisms put in place to break down our family to break down the strength of the father so that we wouldn't produce our own leadership.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that sort of cascade or that that calls an effect process serve to produce us as a group.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is important to understand that in the context of that history and I'm really given a gloss.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you know black history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's even included in the islands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That even goes down to Brazil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like what was done to us, to shape us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in terms of our psychological profile, we behave and we think a certain way based upon our experiences.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in that context, I was in South Carolina last week, a Charleston South Carolina, we're about 80% of the slaves that were brought to the United States of America came through Charleston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And also Charleston is ground zero for some of these major churches in our history that were behind rebellions that were behind the production of certain freedom thinkers like the net turners of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Denmark Vs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember the specific space, but they're from that region.
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[SPEAKER_00]: or in the places where there were slaves other parts the point that I'm making is that when our people read the Bible originally they didn't read it on the slave ship and they didn't read it before the slave ship
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[SPEAKER_00]: The history says that we weren't Christian, that's the point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We were made Christian once we came here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even when we became Christian, we began to read the Bible not in the same way that our white masters read the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We read the Bible, we saw ourselves in the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw a people that will put down an oppressed and we saw that God came to their aid and he liberated them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We saw the person of Jesus Christ and we saw someone despised and rejected by his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw ourselves as a group of people despised and rejected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why when we read from the preserved lectures,
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[SPEAKER_00]: of church leaders and pastors all the way back to someone like uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
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[SPEAKER_00]: One way is expressed is that if God came to the chosen of Israel, He will come to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or if God, if Jesus Christ were to come back, He would come back to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is like a common theme.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So whether we were Muslim, that's the Malcolm, whether we were Christian, that's the David Walker, all through.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I actually researched, I gathered these different quotes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you have about a 150-year history of black teachers teaching the religion and they all saw that fact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They read it that way because we all shared the same history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, it's important to understand for African-American Christians to understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our coming into Islam is on the same basis.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We said, we just took it a step further.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We said, wait a minute, we're finding the basis for our liberation and our freedom of thought.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We see the seeds of it in the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the Bible was given to us by the same people that put us in this situation, that put us in this circumstance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there was another set of influences injected among us that introduced us to the religion of Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we came, when we began to read the Quran and when we began to become familiar with the religion of Al Islam, we began to see or find answers that we didn't necessarily have in the black church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I always tell this story.
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[SPEAKER_00]: My mother, she said, you know, when she was a young girl, I remember my great grandmother.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had a mural on the wall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it was like wars and famine and all of this in Jesus and sort of in the middle of suffering on the cross.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, that suffering white man look.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said, as a little girl, she could say to her, she would say to herself, well, he looked like he suffered like the rest of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: How can he help us?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the the mural that the notion behind the mural is that he shares in our suffering, which is true, which is true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But something in our nature knows God doesn't suffer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: God relieves suffering.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's another there's a little bit more to be said, but I think the point is convey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was talking to someone the other day who converted and they were saying just how they just couldn't get around this three and one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We learn math.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I were to take that in my math class as a kid, I failed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so there's just this sort of common sense approach that a lot of our people grapple with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of them say when they heard it's long for the first time, something in them said, this is it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now what we know is that 20 to 40 percent, that's the low estimate.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 20 to 40 percent of our people who were brought here from West Africa were Muslim.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: their sort of a genetic connection to the religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when we hear it for the, even like blues music, you hear, you hear, if you hear people recite the Quran in West Africa, it's like a da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da da
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[SPEAKER_00]: cadence in the mode of expression was influenced by these slaves who were carrying over west African Muslim recitation styles, or ways.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we heard Islam, we heard a liberating message.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It inseparates us from Christians now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not in our minds, it made us want to continue the freedom movement of the Christian population, which we were already on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, let's, I'm going to wrap this up, but we have to be clear.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Islam came to the African-American people primarily through the nation of Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: from the standpoint of orthodox traditional global Islam, the nation of Islam, is viewed as a sort of a a move, a offshoot movement, it's not considered traditional, but that's how it came to us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The majority of us are parents when the nation of Islam, at least.
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[SPEAKER_00]: James Cole, who was the author of the, he is the, he was the, a thinker behind Black Liberation theology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He admitted this is document on a PBS special called this far by faith.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said that he was struggling with racism and Christianity in the church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said that most of us, we were hearing Malcolm and we were hearing the nation of Islam say about the white man and the Bible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, deep down we knew that they were right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, so I had to go back to the Bible and develop something that would connect to my people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he came up with Black Liberation theology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Howard Thurman, we're in Atlanta.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Howard Thurman was the, he was because he is considered a mystic, and he is sort of like the,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would say the father of the educated black or African-American Theologians like we have, I think I T.C.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is still up and running here in Atlanta the inter-denominational theological seminar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've done dialogue with them and how with them is their man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the, the, the, and he's Dr. King's mentor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He writes in his autobiography that when he
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[SPEAKER_00]: went to India.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He met Mahatma Gandhi.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now it's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He puts in his autobiography that Mahatma Gandhi asked him, why don't you all consider becoming Muslim?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because in Islam the race problem that you all have and that you all are encountering with Christian whites in America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You won't you all won't have that if you come into Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now this is a wise man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a mystic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a
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[SPEAKER_00]: They talk with purpose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's my belief is, and this is the belief of some of us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was leaving that as a hint for his students down the road that we may not be ready for it now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because he said himself when he was a young man,
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[SPEAKER_00]: he learned to read his grandmother couldn't read.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So his grandmother would ask him to read the Bible for her, to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he came upon certain passages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She would say, well, pass about no read those.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he said, at that time, you didn't question an old folks, you just did with the
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[SPEAKER_00]: when he became a young man, he said, well, grandma, why did you want me to read those passages?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she said that those are the passages of the Bible that the slave masters would have read to us on the plantation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His grandmother was a slave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't want to go over those, you know, obey your mass slaves obey your mass, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So here's a man in his autobiography acknowledging the Bible as an instrument for psychological domination.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is how a thermon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And at the same time, in the same autobiography, he's living a hint that maybe you all should check out his long.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So to sum it up, I said I was on sum it up, but this is good information because I got a lot of people who need this history now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, so as an African, as African America, we're one people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We cannot escape that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can try, but we're just fooling ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like trying to deny our skin color.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we can't deny our skin color, we definitely can't deny our history and the effects of our common shared history.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's point number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Point number two is that that history propelled us on the path of Christianity and it also propelled us on the path of Alice Long.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the final analysis, the interest
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[SPEAKER_00]: being prepared, what was the interest to find liberation spiritually, rationally, socially, so that we can truly be a people again, because as a group, that's essentially what was taken from us, our people who it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So why should we be at odds with one another?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, I know I did say I was going to wrap it up, but this is a caveat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They do, people will say, well, I'm not black in the final analysis, I'm a Muslim before everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't care about that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe they're mistaken, they're mistaken, if God sorts us out on their judgment according to both books.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But while we're here, while we're here, it's not sensible and we don't find it in the scriptures, this notion that we separate from our people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even if we think our people are lost didn't the prophets come to help their people who are lost at what point I think it was Jonah who left his people who said I'm not going to deal with these but what ended up with what ended up Having in him he slept on the ship forgot throwing over board.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I swallow about the big fish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not literal
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then he finally got spit on the show, he got to start his mission all over again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in other words, God doesn't accept that you leave your people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You condemn your people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you have the light, then the duty of the civilized is to teach the uncivilized.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The duty of the one in the light is to bring it to those in the darkness.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we should never leave our people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this conflict that is being...
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[SPEAKER_00]: in some quarters exacerbated or instigated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's incorrect.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we should fight against it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I agree.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's funny because I always look at it like when like when I read the Quran, it does it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: tell me to go against the Jew or the Christian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It says all believers, which includes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and even to your point about, I know for me, you know, and we wrote about this, you know, about it in the book a little bit, where when I realized, when I started, you know, after my mom had passed away,
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[SPEAKER_02]: I started like, you know, you're tracing my roots, if you will.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, my parents are from Haiti.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I didn't even realize how, you know, when I think about the Haitian Revolution, you know, you know, Dutty Bookman was a Muslim, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when I think about, there was a prayer, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So if anybody has ever done the history of, you know, the Haitian Revolution and they, and there was a, they called the Bookman's Prayer.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, it happened at what they in Haiti, which I visited, uh, it's called Wakaima.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Uh, Wakaima is like, is, so why means like the woods?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Kai means house, house of who, the e-man, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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[SPEAKER_02]: But why, why were they calling him dirty bookman?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Was because when they took him from Jamaica, when his slave vases took him from Jamaica, he carried a book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The book was the command.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, sir.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And they didn't like that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He always had the book on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so his master's took the book and burnt it on him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then that became his new name, bookman, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so I started to trace it and just kind of see.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that there's so many,
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[SPEAKER_02]: differences, if you will, or not so many, there's some differences, but I think the main difference is that Christians see that Jesus is God, right, where we believe that Jesus is a prophet, right, and Jesus isn't God, but even in some of the scripture,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jesus, it's telling you that he's not God.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, can you, can you, can you, can you espound on that a little bit?
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[SPEAKER_02]: She's for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No Christian can point to any verse in the Bible what Jesus says, I am God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's just that plain and simple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, your wife says, tell me, you know, how do I know you love me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You say, well, you know, I came home today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right, right, right, right, right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I paid the bill.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she wants to, I love you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just direct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have most of them will point to the book of John, the fourth gospel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am the true time the way I'm the light, those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That was not only the last gospel written, but it's not it was written even after the writings of Paul, the epistles of Paul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's considered to be a theological gospel unlike the others that have a have more historical focus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, meaning what that particular gospel was written.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after the notion of Jesus Christ being the God and the Son of God was already involved among the people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If that makes sense, but that's the one they will be pointed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he never claimed outright to be that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, this gets a little controversial, and I don't want to offend your audience, but I think that there should be enough of them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Especially in this day and age, we're all adults and intellectually mature.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience of the New Testament has to be considered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience of the New Testament is not the Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ, His ministry took place among the Jews, but the New Testament
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[SPEAKER_00]: The audience of the New Testament is not the Jewish, the Gentile.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Gentile, according to the Bible, the biblical lineage is the Europeans.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is very important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Paul becomes the theologian who educates the Gentile, the Gentiles, so the Book of Romans, the Corinthians, these are Gentiles, these are not Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: apostles of the disciples of Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The brother of Jesus Christ, James, they're differing with Paul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He shapes the perception of the Europeans by way of his theological writings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this important?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for example, the same book of John, which is written after Paul's writings, it begins with the expression in the beginning was the word and the word was with God, and the word was God, all the way to the word become in flesh and dwelling amongst man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Greek word is logos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logos is a concept already existent in Greek philosophy that had migrated or morphed from Greek philosophy, Greek thought into Roman thought in the Roman Empire at that time they had the mystery schools.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Logos was the notion of
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[SPEAKER_00]: the rational principle that exists within and pervades everything in the universe, logos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is what gives the world its rational composition, like the movement, the rising, setting up the sun, the phases of the moon, the change of the seasons, mathematics, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's logos.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The mind, this was already a science that was developed by Aristotle and founded by him in that tradition and developed by others of logic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: From the same word logic, logic is the science of how to correctly reason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there are two principles in Greek thought, prior to the coming of Christianity, that goes into the Roman world, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is that the world is rationally
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[SPEAKER_00]: and the human mind is the thing that has the entity, that has the ability to process rationally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Therefore, the mind of man and the universe ought to come together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in the rational composition of the universe or through the rational composition of the universe, the rational mind comes to know the one who created,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In other words, then, the mind of man is created to know the quote on quote mind of God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is Greek thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when they put that language in the Bible, they're speaking to this audience who already thinks along this pattern.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This wasn't written for West Africans or East Africa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: East Africa, I guess if you go to Egypt, Alexandria places like that, because they were also in that thought, that thought tradition, but I'm speaking deeper and
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[SPEAKER_00]: When Paul is writing, he is giving them language and the other gospels to is giving them language that they were already accustomed to, but at the same time is higher than what they had.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's higher than what they had because the Jewish knowledge is higher than the Greek knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why the Jews are still here and the Greeks are long gone.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're preserved by the Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't know how to explain it in another way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that's what they gave them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They gave them that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They framed the language of the new testament to appeal to that audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is predicted in the book of Isaiah that a light would come to the Gentiles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you could just read throughout the book, there's this this conference constant emphasis on the Gentiles being brought to the light of Israel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But through who, by way of who, the New Testament is the way in which that's fulfilled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's important to
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[SPEAKER_00]: the focus is Jesus Christ, but the person who is framing the language to provide that focus, like you can look at something but what lands do you have is Paul, who's a Jew himself?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so his so so did it work?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, that's what we call the Western world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Western world is a product of the Children of Israel their rabbis bringing the Gentiles to their light.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why till this day, who does our government serve?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's the same old same old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, black man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We just be talking white like Malcolm say white man's knees.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We catch a cold We just talking we don't know what's going on.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right right
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let's talk about Islam and money for a second, because I do have some more questions as it relates to Christianity and Islam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, more really about like unification and why we should come in together.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I did want to talk about Islam in money for a second because, you know, I tell you this all the time, I remember during COVID, you know, one of your messages that I watched online that really like drew me to you and your messaging specifically why I wanted you to talk to our audience about, you know, money and, you know, financial freedom.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Islam has a strong teaching on wealth, stewardship, and responsibility.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do you think Muslims should think about money in society where capitalism dominates everything?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We should see, God says in our sacred text, do you not see that God has subjected to you for your use, everything in the skies and everything in the earth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we are told in our text, God actually says, we put in the book of the Psalms,
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[SPEAKER_00]: After the Torah, after we revealed the Torah, we also revealed in the book of Psalms that my righteous servants shall inherit the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the whole earth belongs to the righteous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Muslim
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[SPEAKER_00]: or the believer, the righteous should never see themselves out of the competition for the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's ours.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, inherit it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: See, inherit me is the belongs to a bundle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the first time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is all my back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, let me get that, bro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I got it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got a whole slew for you too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I got you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's literally a birthright.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This goes back to Adam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Adam was created to...
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[SPEAKER_00]: cultivate the garden.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one place in the Qur'an, God says that the garden its extent is the whole of the heavens and the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the people think of the garden in Islam too, most people in religion and mythology, they need to join us in the real world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The garden is in your soul.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's in your home, and it's in everything God created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cultivate your soul by way of education and develop and skills in growing your perception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Cultivate your family life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you just like their farmer puts his seed in the ground and plants grow out all the crop, we put our seed in our life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And life grows out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even before, if she's a good woman, you can't even enter into her before you physically, before you enter into her, spiritually and mentally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And love grows.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The garden is a place of beauty in peace.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what we want our homes to be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, how can we have beauty in peace in order and growth in our souls and in our homes, but not in the external environment?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the term used in Quran is Khalifa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man was created to be Khalifa, meaning a responsible authority over the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now, by virtue of these things that I'm appointed, because all wealth, like economics 101, it all goes back to natural resources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Later on, this should actually be, if I wrote a one-on-one book, it should be human resources and natural resources, because they say the resources are limited, but human potential is not limited at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why wealth can be created.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So because we have human resources in our soul, in our mind that God created, and because we have the resources of the universe that God created,
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[SPEAKER_00]: of those resources, both internally and externally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how wealth is generating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I repeat, God created that, that to be for us more than any else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then anyone else.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that Muslims,
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[SPEAKER_00]: And religious people as a whole, not just I'm saying religious people should live with the sense that they should be Having their share of this earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's not that's not preached enough actually in my opinion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean, even in the Bible right on earth as it is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Come on now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does the the Quran actually say about building wealth business and economic empowerment that most people misunderstand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that just a couple of things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: First thing is that as I said, he said, he subjected to you everything in the skies and the earth, but before that he says, to God belongs everything in the heavens and earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't own anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's a point of departure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The second
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[SPEAKER_00]: thing, this is in the Book of Joseph, use of in Islamic tradition, Joseph in biblical tradition, it's in the Book of Genesis, it's really his story concludes the Book of Genesis actually.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He becomes the most wealthy man, the most powerful man in the most powerful society in the history of the world before America, which is ancient Egypt, and he became, he was put over the storehouse, and he was put over the storehouse because God had blessed him with vision,
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[SPEAKER_00]: to know about economic conditions and circumstances that will save or preserve not only that society but the known world at that time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what is often missed is that he was blessed by God with that kind of vision because of his moral poise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because remember, he started off as a slave.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the woman of the house wanted them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She wanted them back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he resisted her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you know how the average one of us we can't resist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't work in McDonald's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She cute enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I had a cute wages earlier today, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I can resist.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm not saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I got you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know how it is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That girl's cute.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so let alone you in the house of a powerful woman who wants you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He resisted her so much so in Quran, he said, I prefer prison.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and then she brought over in the chronic narrative she brought over other women these are all women of high society and they all saw how beautiful he was and they all wanted set up a fair prison over this uh... and then that he ends up in prison and the men in the prison knew that he was a special man because of his more quality so what is it that brings about the rise in fall individuals
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what is it that brings about the rise of all the nations, morality, morality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these are the two basic root God owns everything and God owns us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And a part of our duty to God is to keep our moral poise is very easy to have access to wealth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to have access to opportunity through the route of immorality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always very easy to go the more route, more or route, and once we get to a certain place, lose our moral points because more corruption is available.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure in your position, you get all types of stuff from your schemes and scams and everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have to decide moreality means you're making a choice of what's, so I think those are some rules that, that, um,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that those are the central rules.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: The guy is, you know, one of the pillars of Islam.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Beyond the ritual, what is the deeper economic philosophy embedded in it?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And how can Muslims today use it to uplift communities?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's what I was, the cat literally, it comes from a word, linguistically meaning to purify.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, when God speaks of the soul, He says, indeed, the one who purifies His soul is successful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it means that cat, but the word for successful means like the pharma who produces growth out of the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the principle there is
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[SPEAKER_00]: it carries this notion of number one when you give of your wealth, you purify your own self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because wealth is a strong doorway to corruption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because
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[SPEAKER_00]: It just has been that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the Bible says money is the root of all evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a Islamic tradition that says the love of the work, because money is a means of exchange.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is what the Bible means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The love of the world is the root of all the.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, sex drugs and rock and roll.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that was Dr. Dre, women weed and weather.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bropey, we don't got that, you get more at with with money.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it opens those Norway's power, control authority.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the cat is carrying a principle that you spend of your wealth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So ask to avoid corruption.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to hold and to hold, to not give in charity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it is, a obligatory charity.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It means corrupting and polluting yourself, but it also is a way of purifying society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When we look at where high crime is, when we look at where the more hurt and misery occurs in societies, it's often in areas where they have less access to resources.
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[SPEAKER_00]: look at what was happening now with the snap benefits you know people are saying that there was a trend going around people say I'm breaking the wall Martin still me some fool you know
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[SPEAKER_00]: to have a sense of food security as a human need.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what happens now when there are hundreds of us, thousands of us who are not, who don't have food security, who don't have a sense of safety, it increases the likelihood that we begin to steal from one another, harm one another, etc.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to spend our wealth translates into the purification, the moral purification of society in that we are helping to alleviate
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[SPEAKER_00]: Burden on people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's that's a principle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean again the Jews have this the Christians have this But to spend our wealth One of the terms using the court on actually suggests investing because if I spend on a I'm not just spending on a poor child I'm investing in that child, you know, especially if that wealth goes towards as you can if it goes towards a fool It's helping them just be properly nourished
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if I spend on the education, the clothing, the housing, it is actually helping them become a better a human overall, that in turn becomes a more productive element of the society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, just like the tree bears fruit and that fruit invests back into the environment, goes into the soil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The feeds, the nurtures the soil from which the tree grows in the first place, spending our wealth
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Many Muslims believe wealth is dangerous or spiritually compromising.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that an accurate reading or is that a cultural interpretation?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know what they, uh, you may have added this part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know it's, I mean, uh, poverty is spiritually, uh, dangerous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so there's a theory that nothing, I don't believe that, I don't, I don't, I don't think I, I don't accept this completely, but I'm going to use it to make this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nothing in and of itself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: at least naturally in his natural expression can be deemed good or evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What makes it is our use of it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our orientation of it and our use of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that can be anything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the in ordinate love of wealth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The imbalanced love of wealth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: is a problem, just like in balance poverty is a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the religious people historically have demonized wealth and wealth acquisition, but interestingly enough, it has also been religious people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who were wealthy, who advanced that idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So when you look in the history of the world and you find these traditions where wealth and the world, things of the world are looked down upon, the ones who are keeping the people in check
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[SPEAKER_00]: by way of those teachings, they lived well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lived well, it lived good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So was that a setup?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because the truth and a matter of funny enough, like even when I think about the educational system, like it almost feels like systems are built.
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[SPEAKER_02]: to keep people in check because we think about the educational system.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If you really peeled the layers back, it was the Rockefeller who really started that to train people to work for them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that's why when people were like, oh, why didn't it teach wealth in the schools?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because schools weren't meant for you to be wealthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was meant for you to be a worker, to be a worker for the wealthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Correct.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we live.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, a lot of these movies,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Matrix is one, he lives in a simulated reality and the all human beings do, and there's essentially batteries charging the system, the keepers of the system, the Truman Show, true man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is the real show of man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's living in a simulation, and everything is this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's what we live in, that's our situation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So no, religious education,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As we have it in the world today, we have it for some time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let alone secular education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is designed to keep the majority of us out of the hair of the bosses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does the prophet Muhammad, peace be on to him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What does his life teach us about entrepreneurship, commerce, and circulate in well?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was a businessman before it became prophet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And his wife, her name was Khadija.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was, she had inherited wealth from her husband, wealthy woman, but she, in that day, you know, they would go through these trade routes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you go to the major town, you would do commerce.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And she had, she had men who would take goods and trade on our behalf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when she, her way of meeting the prophet, he,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They say oh, she worked for her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not really true.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was more like a he was contracted out to say oh, and he was very honest and just goes back to that more morality piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he was honest and just and he did very well in the marketplace So she basically made him her exclusive contract because you know back then she was
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[SPEAKER_00]: She had wealth, but women, you know how men treat women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Even today in the business play, a lot of men beat her out of money, and he did, and he increased her well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that was his way prior to Revelation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: after the revelation comes and he does his work as the prophet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He still is engaged in business but not as much.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what was interesting about the Muslims, they make a migration from Mecca to Medina.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And one of the first things that that is done in Medina after the or alongside the establishment of a mess here, just a place of worship, is an independent market place for the Muslims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have these beautiful stories where, for example, a man comes
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, well, do you have anything of value?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, yeah, he brings a shirt, he brings a shirt, profit takes that shirt to the market.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, can anyone have something to trade for this shirt?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He traded for X.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he gave them an X and told them to go to the woods.
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[SPEAKER_00]: go chop some wood and come back and sell firewood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he transformed the man from a beggar into a business person.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is this is our way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is our way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And there was funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's not funny.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Let me let me run that back.
43:54
[SPEAKER_02]: But I don't know if you saw did you see the viral clip that went around.
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[SPEAKER_02]: There was this, um, there was this lady that was calling mega churches.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was asking them, you know, had a crying baby.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It was asking, you know, saying, you know, my baby can't eat.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And, you know, the people who answered the phone were like, well, are you a member of the church?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Who are you, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: But she did get food, because she called the Bastion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: As it was like, all right, like, can you get here?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, yeah, no questions asked.
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[SPEAKER_02]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I thought that, you know, interested.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, so you mentioned earlier about, you know, the nation of Islam and the Black experience, Islam has historically been a force for identity, discipline, and transformation in Black America, you know, where do you see the role of Islam today for our community?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's somewhat of some challenges.
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[SPEAKER_00]: During the time of the nation of Islam, there was a clear cut and direction for us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what you just mentioned, we had schools, a separate schools as we were able to separate diet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, eat this way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it wasn't something that we did as members of the nation of Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was a diet that we promoted to our people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Lay off the pork.
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[SPEAKER_00]: things they say today, eat once a day, you know what they call Oma now, you know, so I even know people who never be joined the nation of Islam from that time, all old times they say when I followed the diet because they were in the newspaper and that was the best time I was in the best health of my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in a lot of ways, and again, even what I mentioned about James Cohen, a lot of
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[SPEAKER_00]: clean and decent black womanhood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The nation of Islam was successful in projecting that image and making accomplishments in our communities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that was that was psychologically healthy for our people to see that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: James Brown said that he even made the song, say it loud, I'm black and I'm proud because of Elijah Muhammad.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he said he was inspired by a large amount because remember from our grandparents depending upon if you have like a lot of genetics and millennials who who watch they'll tell you they can ask their grandparents if you call another black person black that was an insult that was even someone else a kid you so black they you know so it was a thing to not be one a call black
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[SPEAKER_00]: So James Brown coming out with an anthem of sorts say it loud.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm black and I'm proud now We don't even want to be called African America like our black bread, but that was a psychological shift That came about because of the nation of Islam now In comes the Transition into Orthodox Islam and
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[SPEAKER_00]: There were problems in the nation of Islam for sure, but there are also a set of problems that come with the influx of orthodox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I say orthodox, what I really mean, Islam coming into America from parts of Africa in the Middle East, it's problematic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It has been problematic because number one, the teachers, the language,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Coming, when I say language I'm speaking about, just what's been articulated, the points of emphasis, the matters of importance, the agenda that's being communicated from the other part of the Islamic world, is they're not necessarily relevant to us to what our needs are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many of our brothers
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[SPEAKER_00]: had gone overseas to study as long, traditionally.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they come back to their own people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a phenomenon that I equate to what the miseducation of the Negro.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dr. Carter G. Woods, and he saw this same problem with African Americans who would go into higher levels of education, the humanities, et cetera, philosophy, art, science.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they come back, but essentially they're learning European art, European philosophy, European history, and they come into black people now, trying to liberate them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a failed project.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Dr. Carter G. Woodson is saying, your education has really regressed you in your ability to reach your people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh, that has happened in a lot of ways to significant portions of African American community.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not because of their education.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They are, they are listening to a set of ideals and interests and points of focus that may be important for one side of the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But they're not important over here, but they don't see it as not important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They see it as the religion, meaning like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what we have right now is a struggle, I don't represent that strand, I represent the strand that from the nation of Islam, under the leadership of the transition, under the leadership of me and Muhammad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he remember Muhammad kept the same points of emphasis of his father and he got rid of the elements that didn't agree with
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Quran and the teachers of the prophet, like for example, the black man is God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The white man is the devil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are like the basic teachings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We got rid of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the need to educate ourselves, economic independence, et cetera.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hold on the need to strengthen our families.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And not only do we hold on to those, we find a sound basis for them in our religion, in Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So us really need it in my view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the things that I'm working on right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Indigenous American court on court theology philosophy is a better word, but theology is the word more people are common more familiar with where, in other words, in our articulation of the religion from the source, from the description, but addresses like that report, I just gave of the man bag and he was given an axe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prophecy at the hand on the bottom, the hand on the top is superior to the hand on the bottom.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We know the one that's giving will, it's superior to the one that's asking.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, no child of this, no one from the sons of Adam eats a meal that he's more pleased with than the one that he earned from the work of his own hands.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's more relevant in our communities, because
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[SPEAKER_00]: we're a poor community as a whole.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The a lot of what you deal with in a lot of people that you interview deal with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm put in my language on it, but it deals with mindset and perception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, abundance is your birthright.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an expression that it reaches my set.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we need to go back to that verse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to teach our people that the heavens and the earth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The universe was created for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they were created for the universe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That has a more powerful impact for our psyche in light of what our needs are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we could, as we, I'm not if we could, but as we return to that type of focus, Al Aslam will have a more potent effect in terms of our performance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If we don't have that, if we allow for, you know, I was just, actually, I literally was having this conversation on the way here, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You read some of these books and you say, well, this, I can live like this if I stayed in the desert.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't stand no desert like that one.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If this lifestyle in Atlanta is called a bum, I'm sorry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you call it nowadays?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a town.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what say bum is?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you say now?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unhoused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unhoused.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Homeless.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I live like this today in DC, Chicago, I'm going to be up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: homeless person making prayers and doing vickers so so this can't serve me so so we have to be real and I think there's a fear and I think that I'm this is controversial too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a lot of African-American men because they're the teachers primarily.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a lot of women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No disrespect but women tend to just follow
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[SPEAKER_00]: How many of us go in my wife like baby I got a million dollars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's go to can't come.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, no, I want to go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, scoop rice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of she was okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, women will just go with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the, in the, in the masjid setting is the man that's teaching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So in the man wears a long foam, and when the man has an orange beard or when the man looks Arab, but he black it in, by black and mild, he's Arab.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And, and, and he is speaking with an Arabic, the prophet says,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Negro, you black, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white, white,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You compound in the problem, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so what am I really saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the men struggle with identity because of that lack of father thing, because of growing up and blight at circumstances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you take somebody like that, and you dump a miracle, you dump a messerio, a human, an angel for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And now he's coming into his manhood and his sense of self in an environment that's not his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's not coming back with just subjects.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just like our friends find and say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the blacks from Martinique was study at French universities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They come back rolling their are harder than the Frenchmen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is clear to be a problem with the black sakes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hate this in the history of Islam.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We hate ourselves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't think they see it that way, but we have a poor sense of self.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is not to critique, but this is to analyze.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like if I'm a doctor, I have to look at what your problem is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, to the point out, that was my biggest, I mean, we talked about this privately, and when we were putting the book together, that was one of my biggest issues, and I took my show off there, because, you say, I'm Harlem, come on man.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so if I'm trying to say my salams, and all my brothers sound Arabic,
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[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm trying to, I feel intimidated as a new Muslim, you know, you know, trying to connect with my community with my brothers, but because, you know, they're adopting a different culture.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So it's alright.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And that's what I had to realize that there's religion and there's the culture and, you know, yes, if you're adopting the religion,
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[SPEAKER_00]: You got to still keep your culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, keep your culture.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I don't want no bottle of Briani.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me some yams, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want mama's yams.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want black women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want a sister.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They got their little, you know, they do that stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You were a student of EMMWD Muhammad.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's the biggest lesson he taught you about Islam's role in solving the problems of black people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: the biggest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, this is to this is very general.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that what he showed was that Alislam, Islam, addresses all of our needs, starting with God, who is God?
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[SPEAKER_00]: who is man, what's his place in the universe, what's our purpose on the earth?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he sort of systematically was able to articulate from the, from the Quran and understanding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that shows us or that answer these questions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For example, I'll go back to the Christianity piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is an old clip that went around from him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, you know there's a psychology that men who misuse women like pimps.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They have this psychology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They act like they don't care about the woman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they do it just enough to create this desire in the woman like, why don't he love me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why didn't he care about me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So she does things to please him and he treats her in such a way to hold on to her.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But at the same time, he didn't never latch on to her to make her comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He says, well, really, that's what the white man did to us all at his years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The white man
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He never let us go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Every time we want to go off on our own, build a to Tosa, he want to take it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he doesn't want us to have our own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this, so over the generations, we developed this psychology of how can we not love us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This started back in slavery.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, now you get that psychology over the years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, in the only place where we ever saw a white man that love us, you open the church doors and there's a white Jesus come unto me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hear him embrace all of you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So now the black man, he go overboard and there's love for Jesus.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He loved Jesus more than white man does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see, so it's a psychology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those types of subtleties,
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[SPEAKER_00]: in how we have been influenced in our behavior, in our behavior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Haven't been analyzed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't heard of any thinker, analyze our condition more effectively or thoroughly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then, him or those others like Dr. Nym Akbar,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Malcolm, all of those who came from the nation experience, even Minister Farah Khan, these are the these have been the most effective men in the history of our people, in being able to analyze our condition psychologically and socially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, that's what I would say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's a total, it's a total analysis that he gave.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
58:07
[SPEAKER_02]: And so staying with Islam and Christianity for a second, Christianity, Islam will often portrayed as opposing religions, yet they share prophets, values, moral teachings, where is the true intersection between Islam and Christianity?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you get, believe our beliefs, our ethics and morals, even our vision to a great degree of the world, the future of the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our main difference, this is what we have to understand too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: our difference with Christian teaching is primarily rooted in, most importantly is rooted in the Trinitarian doctrine and the idea of the divinity of Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's the main issue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But it's important to understand what I'm about to say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that issue of the Trinitarian doctrine, the divinity of Jesus Christ, connected to that is also the original sin idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are not notions developed by the common Christian walking down the street.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not clearly articulated in the Bible either.
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[SPEAKER_00]: St. Augustine is the one who developed original sin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He develops that idea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a theology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Trinitarian doctrine is an idea that was developed by theologians over generations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It took them hundreds of years to settle upon something.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is not authentic pure biblical teaching.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is what so the average Christian they're just getting what they get in the church like the average Muslim the average Hindu you just grow you if you grew up in Georgia more than likely going to be a if you grew up in a Uzbekistan more than likely going to be something else yeah most people are just products of their circumstance the question becomes where did these ideas come from and these ideas came from men learning men
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[SPEAKER_00]: who developed them for a particular end or a particular outcome.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So these are doctrines.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will say,
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[SPEAKER_00]: They will say, well, this passage in the Bible is this, or this passage in the, in the Quran is that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what they're really saying is that this is the basis that I use to develop this system, that I develop.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's an interpretation, that's not point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, that's the, that's the main issue there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And so, and so, and so, what theological business on the standings keep Muslim and Christians divided and how can we correct them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: That.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Muslim is arguing with, you see this online.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You have a Muslim, he may have went to school for four years, ten years.
1:01:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's arguing with Christians on the street.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:01:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Your Bible says this, that they don't know.
1:01:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:01:05
[SPEAKER_00]: If a Christian were to go to the Muslim world, it'd be the same thing, they don't know even.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, everybody's blind.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, when you sit down at the big business table, the leaders of Saudi Arabia and Israel in the United States all together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But we value a fight.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
1:01:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have to understand that the court on from a Muslim perspective.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The court on is not taking issue with Jews and Christians.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:01:34
[SPEAKER_00]: The court on is taking issue with
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[SPEAKER_00]: leaders of the church and leaders of the synagogue.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You all have framed ideas to introduce to the public, to shape and form the public in a particular way for your particular interest.
1:01:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not fair for me as someone who studies religion to approach a common man, a common Christian, and beat up on them with these ideas.
1:02:03
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't know, they're innocent.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: My grandma, they're innocent.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are uneducated people in large part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the biggest, that's the problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's come from a very serious misconception.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Do you believe that, you know, Islam and Christianity can work together?
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_02]: So I've uplifted underserved communities economically and spiritually?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, most of us forget that the first...
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_00]: The first place where Islam was allowed to be practiced fully was an Ethiopia under Christian Rula.
1:02:38
[SPEAKER_00]: This is before the Arabs were, because they were being oppressed by their own people.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_00]: The Prophet set his early followers of a group of them to under the Ethiopia, to live and practice Islam under an Ethiopian king.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that tradition of what they call nowadays, interfaith, harmony, existed down through
1:03:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So, this is particularly important in the place like the United States of America.
1:03:08
[SPEAKER_00]: We have non-Muslim neighbors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We live together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We share this space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, there's a such thing as the common good.
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_00]: And there's a common interest coming from the common good that we should have as our focus more than any other thing.
1:03:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So, let's go back to the SNAP benefit, you know, like that the SNAP
1:03:26
[SPEAKER_00]: or the that video that you mentioned that lady calling around.
1:03:29
[SPEAKER_00]: No one can disagree that babies need to be fair.
1:03:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we start that?
1:03:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Can we just start feeding babies before we start talking about complex theology?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That is an unsatisfied.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that we should, I think that the short answer is yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the point of departure with that short yes is
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[SPEAKER_00]: on common, you know, we want safe communities, we want our families to be safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want our children to be educated.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So on those basic things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: If Malcolm and Martin represented two wings of the same bird, what does the next generation of unified leadership look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: building.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the God is in control in our view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that there is a tragedy of sorts when it comes to our great leaders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Our great leaders point us in a direction.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is African-American people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We forget our leaders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We forget them a week later and we preserve
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[SPEAKER_00]: those men, Dr. King was not fighting for integration or desegregation, I should say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He wasn't fighting for desegregation or the, that movement wasn't, it wasn't having as his focus, the, the, the right to, to spend all our money out of white establishment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's that all about?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was, it was the right to have access to the resources of this country so that we could
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are still with Malcolm, with Martin, with all of these great leaders in movements.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We are still in economically weak people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you, what do, if I ask you or your team or anyone here, what is the contribution of the African-American people to the fabric of American terms of its economy?
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If we say the average person will say that they would say something along the lines of entertainment, that that's a problem, basketball, rap, we don't even own that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd think we don't even, we have the, the broad James's of the world, but we don't even own that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We may have a stake in it, I'll get a cut off this shoe, but we don't own the NBA, but the ones that own it can't shoot a shot.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, facts, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The one that all Spotify and all of that, they can't make a song, we dance too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't even own our output as a people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of the, that's entertainment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But in terms of the world of tech, who gets most of the degrees in tech?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who gets most of the medical degrees?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I will women get their nails done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Laura, he'll say, what did you say?
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[SPEAKER_00]: How we, by Europeans, nails by Koreans, something like that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even own those industries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, so,
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[SPEAKER_00]: there's something still missing in our sense of self-determination and we have brothers like yourself and others who are working to promote that, but it's a hard job, it's a hard job because just like Jonah went to sleep in the bottom of that ship.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Many of us we go to sleep on America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: America is very comfortable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can sleep at this couch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You see what I'm saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can flip on TikTok.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can get me some grub, huh?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can even order sex nowadays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I ain't got to do the work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It could get me no girl friends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they make an easy robot women.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw one on the desk.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just it's got a challenge on hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Imagine a brother get to order him a white girl friend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good god.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh my.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know you had Dr. Omar.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He ain't gonna like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he said black fleets forever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody's never going to be like that cat whims there with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to get it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get this going to be so this is so that will put your soul to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What I mean by that is that will put our energy to sleep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Go out and produce and to work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's up here to the bottom, many of our people are found this out from persons who are involved in this work, many of our people, they don't really even have the bi-black spirit until the police officer kills a truck becomes president.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas for other people, it's not a movement, it's just the way of life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we would still, that's what I'm thinking, how do we get, how do we get like the Jews know, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: And what I mean by that is like, and I, I actually talk a little more something similar where like, you know, like a bunch of your birthright, like the Quran says this, like it says that, you know, you know, we inherit, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: What's above and below?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and you can tell in the way Jewish people move, they believe that that wealth and, and, and, and everything is like inherited like they have a right to it for sure.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, how do, how do we as Muslims even black people, um, adopt that because like even again in Christianity like the, the Bible says, you know, give us this day right like like, like, like, like, um,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, on earth as it is in heaven, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: So even the Bible is saying that like we want, you know, don't wait till you get to heaven to live in abundance.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Bring it down in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Should most be living in abundance on earth as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: How do we get there?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, going back to that lowest prayer.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give us this day our daily bread.
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[SPEAKER_00]: asked the Christian what the daily bread is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now mind you the same book of John where he the word came down and became flesh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember in the last supper what does he do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, eat my flesh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He takes a piece of bread.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He said, this is my flesh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the Christians, so what's that daily bread?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They understand the wise and Christian you can ask the preacher if he went to school They believe it's the teachings of Jesus Christ.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is why the words of Christ See he says eat my flesh and drink my blood What do the words of Christ come in in the Bible?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Is it blue or is it red?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they know that his teachings are his blood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I saying that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because Jesus Christ, remember what I said earlier about the, it was designed for the Gentile audience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Gentile audience dealt with blood and flesh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the principle though came from the Jews.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Jews, all perhaps the most powerful group of people on earth today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And their small group, as I was saying, is not that relatively small.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But their power comes from
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[SPEAKER_00]: is description knowledge, it's not secular knowledge, it's not capitalism, it's not communism, it is not quantum mechanics or the theory of evolution as a matter of fact, they are the architects of these ideas more often than not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this is why they're very strong in academia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They produce these ideas.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: But when you read from the works of their own rabbi, they say, oh, that particular idea came from this teaching in Jewish tradition.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that idea came from this, behind Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're very influential.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what am I saying?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The most powerful, most influential people, at least in the Western world, are people who stand upon a knowledge body that was given to them by God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We, Black Christians, we go to church, we read the Bible, but we don't stand upon, but biblical knowledge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We stand upon what we got from school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We stand upon the value system that comes from secular society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: White men again, white men's needs, we catch a cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who told us to dress like this?
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Who told us to wear a hair like this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who told our women to perm their hair?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we get that from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: to do whatever it is what we do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we get our values, we get our approach to reality from the culture, from society, though we go to the church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So biblical knowledge in the strategies of the Bible, of the New Testament, don't inform us as Christians.
1:11:57
[SPEAKER_00]: The same is true for Muslims.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We come to the mast here, we make the prayer, we read the Quran, we feel holy,
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Quran based knowledge and strategies and ways of being don't inform us from the inside out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So really, we're black Muslim, we're American Muslim, we're black Christian.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Jews are Jew, he's he's Jew from the inside out, so that they're heads.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's all we have to do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the problem that we have, when we get together, we have a, we want to compete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a challenge that we have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We want to decide who's knowledge is more superior.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should we be, you know, should I be from the conscious community?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should I be Hebrew Israelite?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should I be Christian?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Should I be Muslim?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got that hump to get over to.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Is that, is that, oh man, and that becomes the conundrum?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, because I think about it, I'm like,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, to your point, I'm like, man, like, could we just only, instead of focusing on who smarter, who's right, who's wrong?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, could we just focus on the common, what's needed?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, could we just serve our brothers and sisters?
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, ideally, yes, like ideally, you know, could Trump be the best thing that happens since George Washington, ideally, I'm not saying Trump is bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying that I'm using the stereotypical.
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[SPEAKER_02]: For sure, for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Practically, probably not.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The church, the mastgette, the Hebrew Israel, I don't know what they call their places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Hebrew temple, it's ran by men.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And men, we function upon Eagle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Eagle is not a bad thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when it's a ego problem why ego is too big then that's gonna be a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The conscious community most influential people are the men and men want to be a and I'm this is not a knock again.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm a man I don't think this is a problem, but we want to be chiefs of the of the territory.
1:14:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So a part of it is a fear
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[SPEAKER_00]: a part of the problem with the rise of Islam, like last year for the E prayer here in Atlanta, last year, the year before last, we had about 4 to 6,000 people this year we had 10,000.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So our numbers are increasing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have 300,000 Muslims in Philly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have another 20, some 1000 in Jersey.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Islam has been in remains the fastest-going religion in Black America.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm a, I don't want to pick on the church.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just say I'm some other kind of guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm some other leader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not pick on, but I don't want to single that out.
1:14:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So ask to present the assumption that I'm picking on them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If I'm the leader of a temple,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm losing members, and because I'm losing members, I'm losing money, yeah, I see that.
1:14:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just, this is, it boils down to economics, yeah, I see that, and I'm losing money.
1:15:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So we have seen that, and it's known that the Black Muslims have still remained in the forefront of promoting certain agendas,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that the whole black community needs to be involved and they won't.
1:15:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll give another controversial example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just talking brother to Brown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you're going to cut a cut.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_00]: We have here, oh, no, I'm not cutting anything.
1:15:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, so you say it's what you say.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_00]: We have in this city a pastor who was leading the charge to boycott target, but we also have,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Businesses in this city that are black on that produce the same products at least the essentials The target produced why not at the same time why boycott and say give you a money to these I don't my ask him not to go interview him good.
1:15:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you have me here when you know Sponsor and the reason why because it's black Muslims tell the whole story Wow, it's black Muslims that all along your deterred Tov brother tov paste toilet tissue
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody got to brush the teeth.
1:16:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got to wash the clothes.
1:16:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and so don't tell me how much money we've caused target to lose only
1:16:16
[SPEAKER_00]: The brother that I was just here before me, he said some I was I was I've been traveling so he he said something that I thought was he said he said I'm paraphrasing him but he was saying that when when people are looking at the cost of right like I just 10,000 foot of course, they don't look at the value that they're getting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So though it's 10,000 of front, it may get me a million on the other hand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:16:38
[SPEAKER_00]: That's so that's looking at the glass incorrectly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:16:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's one thing to say, oh, we cause, we bus boy caught it, so the bus is lost money.
1:16:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what if that money go to?
1:16:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's two sides to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:16:50
[SPEAKER_00]: So we can help them, because what that tells me is this, if they say, we're sorry, black people, we'll now put your products in this section.
1:16:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's like patting my child on the head.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he was crying, his mama's some breast milk.
1:17:04
[SPEAKER_00]: But wait a minute.
1:17:05
[SPEAKER_00]: We still don't have dignity.
1:17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't have dignity before collectively.
1:17:09
[SPEAKER_00]: This is an opportunity to now say, look, let's fund a lot of dollars into our companies, into our stores, into our be.
1:17:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And we tell our old people, hey, Ashcast, you sell watches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to put all our money behind you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're not going by a target watch as a Walmart watch.
1:17:24
[SPEAKER_00]: But you got to hire us and you got to cut a check to the black school.
1:17:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:17:28
[SPEAKER_00]: This is simple start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the fact that there is some efficacy, meaning that there's been some outcome with these boy cars.
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[SPEAKER_00]: that shows that the church still has power of influence so we're not using the influence in a way that's practical and sensible and a lot of it is based upon ego because that particular past he came to the weeb by black comps he knows
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure he was at the other conference.
1:17:54
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the other one with the money people?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Investor?
1:17:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure if he not, he knows what, but it's in the city.
1:17:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I knew about it.
1:18:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I live here, you know what I mean?
1:18:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I know them guys no more than I do about what goes on.
1:18:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is, this is, we have to get down to the practical real stuff.
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:18:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I'm saying?
1:18:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:18:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even like weaves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to get trouble again.
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
1:18:13
[SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
1:18:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But look, if we don't sell, we let ourselves sell it, right?
1:18:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that's what they should sell.
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[UNKNOWN]: I'm not going to sell them.
1:18:21
[SPEAKER_02]: So, as we wrap up, now we got wrap up, and that's like, let's see something, as we wrap up.
1:18:31
[SPEAKER_02]: So I didn't want to touch on the book real quick, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because I know, um,
1:18:36
[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, similar like like in the book, we talk about the emotional shift because you mentioned earlier, a lot of black people are reverting or converting into Islam, right?
1:18:53
[SPEAKER_02]: And we talk about the emotional shift that happens like after taking a Shahada, what do new Muslims need to understand spiritually about this moment beyond the words?
1:19:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's a challenge, you know, it's a challenge for many of them, not all of them.
1:19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Sometimes the family, I find this a lot with the males, the males, especially if they were going in a wrong direction.
1:19:19
[SPEAKER_00]: The family is usually pleased that something has been able to get this boy straight with the women is a little different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, some of the biggest converts in the West are Caucasian women.
1:19:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And the, the, with the women is like, oh, they're going to change you.
1:19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to have to wear long skirts and sit in the back of the bus or the back of the camel or something like that.
1:19:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So they have to, in a lot of families, I'm, I'm witnessing this currently, a lot of families ostracized them.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:19:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's very rough, so I think that it's too full, the people who convert to Islam have to be intentional about finding a community.
1:20:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that the mastiate communities have to be very intentional about embracing the count.
1:20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's one thing that the Black Church tradition, I don't know how it is now, but tradition of the Black Church hand.
1:20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I heard this from my old times, they say when someone would,
1:20:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Stand up and bear witness the pastor right away was say, okay, what are you good at what you want to get involved?
1:20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: They're plugging right in.
1:20:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's necessary.
1:20:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so the the converts the people who convert to Islam That's the another challenge is the internet You get a little bit everything on in and yeah, and Most of the teachers of Islam that are on the internet are coming from only one frame one school with both So to speak and it's a very linear black or white frame
1:20:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So I suggest to be very cautious about listening to online preachers that don't look like you, that are not from your background, that are not American even.
1:20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Stay away from it really till you're able to get a grounding, find a mastiid that you wherever you took your shahada, wherever you were comfortable, or find a group if you took a shahada, most of the group and stick with them and go to my channel.
1:21:08
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
1:21:11
[SPEAKER_02]: You know, many new Muslims are overwhelmed after embracing Islam.
1:21:15
[SPEAKER_02]: What is the first thing they should focus on in their first week, their first month, and even their first year?
1:21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Education is the number one priority.
1:21:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I think most of them want to know how to pray because it's a, when you pray is very direct.
1:21:31
[SPEAKER_00]: They don't really care about theology as much.
1:21:34
[SPEAKER_00]: They want to, you know, when you, when you're praying, it's like I'm doing it.
1:21:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm in the act of being Muslim, but I do suggest that they take a little time to learn the beliefs because logically speaking, we want a proper understanding of who God is before we pray to Him.
1:21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
1:21:55
[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't have to be one either or they can progress simultaneously,
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[SPEAKER_00]: the conscious learning of the beliefs and then learning the practices of prayer are important.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now I'm saying this because for example, the Muslims have this wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The first thing we want to do with a system is put a scarf on it here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now she just was shooting everybody in the shooting people Friday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sunday she took you out of here, sister put on a scarf.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, stop shooting people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's start there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we got this day wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to learn how to deal, and I tell this to the people, come to me, you're a human, you're a servant of God, first, just deal internally, and then work externally.
1:22:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's an end-take-it-slow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take-it-slow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The prophet actually said this, he said, no one, you know, they don't delve deeply into the religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Except that it will overwhelm them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most people it will overwhelm you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So do the little that you can manage You don't have to say your prayers in Arabic from the some people will tell you that those are people were insensitive Say it in the language that you know first you just took your heart out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah 10 minutes ago So now you're about to be praying in pure Arabic and then if you are you don't know what you're saying right?
1:23:13
[SPEAKER_00]: What's this does that man?
1:23:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, so Make your prayers in in in English
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[SPEAKER_00]: learn what you can begin to learn the the the the Quranic Arabic technique.
1:23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not Arabic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not the Arabic on the street.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a very particular language that you find in the religion only.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So so so so so and and understand that it's a light because it is life like you said religion is life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're like life is through stages.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's growth, there's whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The same thing in your religion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take your time,
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[SPEAKER_00]: be willing to evolve and know that God brought you here and God is with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't bring you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not like my mom was just to drop us off our daycare.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He won't see him the next week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's God brought you here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to stay the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's important.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Um, any, you know, any last words and anything you want to leave, you know, leave
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we covered a lot.
1:24:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we did.
1:24:18
[SPEAKER_00]: We were kind of like in different realms of the firmament, but no, I thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate you for bringing me on now.
1:24:25
[SPEAKER_00]: It's been a long time coming.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Not for sure, I'm sure I'm sure.
1:24:28
[SPEAKER_02]: And you know, even as we were putting, you know, putting the book together and make sure I put a link.
1:24:35
[SPEAKER_02]: So y'all could get Islam for new Muslims everything you need to know after you take your shahada a guy for new Muslims Reverts and anyone seeking clarity on faith prayer community identity and living Islam in the modern world and I also Would say and this is for anybody who's watching this to this point
1:24:53
[SPEAKER_02]: is the book, is it only for if you take a shot, right?
1:24:58
[SPEAKER_02]: It's also for I would honestly encourage our Christian brothers and sisters also to pick it up, to just understand, right?
1:25:12
[SPEAKER_02]: Just for a level of understanding, because I know for me, again, growing up, Christian,
1:25:18
[SPEAKER_02]: Um, and trying to like after you take a shahada, you almost feel isolated, you know, again, I share this with you is like, you feel isolated because I can't share the news with my, with my, with my Christian family, right?
1:25:28
[SPEAKER_02]: Like my actual family, um, and, you know, you know, trying to, or even even in my new Muslim family,
1:25:38
[SPEAKER_02]: Or if I go to the message, I still feel a little isolated because you know, there are, you know, Muslims who've been Muslim on their lives or whatever the case may be.
1:25:46
[SPEAKER_02]: And so, you know, now I feel intimidated because I mean, I know how to, you know, say, you know, say, you know, recite certain things or I might not get invited to certain things or whatever case may be.
1:25:55
[SPEAKER_02]: So now I'm sort of like, I feel like an isolation, but I also, so I think I think it's something that everybody should pick up and learn.
1:26:04
[SPEAKER_02]: And as we discussed, I think it's, I agree with you.
1:26:07
[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's important for us to start putting out more information that could connect with us, you know, especially black Americans, who have the black experience was going through this
1:26:25
[SPEAKER_02]: I, if people wanted to connect with you, we didn't find you.
1:26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I have a YouTube channel, Rashad Abdurrahman, and the same on YouTube, I mean Instagram, the same name, TikTok as well.
1:26:39
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, but the YouTube is really what we're pushing now.
1:26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, we go over these kinds of topics more in-depth.
1:26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, follow me there.
1:26:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Check us out there.
1:26:50
[SPEAKER_02]: All right, shot.
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1:27:06
[SPEAKER_02]: I am Ash Cash, make sure you visit me at iamaskash.com, follow me on all social media platforms, act, I am Ash Cash, I will see you, same time, same place, and that's what I say in God's will, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'm saying in God's will, in God's will, alright y'all, peace!