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  Speaker 1: Love from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me again.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Andrew Giles caught boasting about how he'd changed the
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  Speaker 2: rules to help out foreign criminals, claiming Australia had obligations
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  Speaker 2: to foreign criminals.
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  Speaker 3: Senator James Patterson will join me.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC added again using your tax dollars to attack
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  Speaker 2: News Corp and Sky News and pushed their own predictable
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  Speaker 2: green left views. I'll get an expert calculation of the
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  Speaker 2: growing cost to taxpayers of the Shambalic transition to renewable energy.
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  Speaker 2: Also Tim Blair, Stephen Sena Tiempo, Caroline Marcus and Kristen
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  Speaker 2: Tate on US politics.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get started.
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  Speaker 2: When it comes to this foreign criminals issue, the debarkle
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  Speaker 2: of Immigration Minister Andrew Giles Direction ninety nine, which has
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  Speaker 2: allowed convicted criminals who are not citizens of Australia to
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  Speaker 2: escape deportation and remain in this country.
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  Speaker 3: When it comes to this issue, there is a very.
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  Speaker 2: Clear and important point that too many people have either
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  Speaker 2: not made or ignored. The whole intention of Direction ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine was to let criminal non citizens stay in Australia.
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  Speaker 2: That's not an unintended consequence. Rather, this was the aim
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  Speaker 2: of the change. Anthony Albanisi and his minister were reacting
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  Speaker 2: to pressure from New Zealand to stop their citizens being
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  Speaker 2: deported back from Australia. If they've spent most of their
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  Speaker 2: lives here. Now I say tough luck unless they take
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  Speaker 2: out Australian citizenship. Visitors who break our laws should be deported.
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  Speaker 2: But Albanesi and Giles wanted to do the Kiwis a favor,
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  Speaker 2: so they added in Direction ninety nine, which gives criminals
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  Speaker 2: a chance to claim a connection to Australia. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: claim the rights of citizenship even when they're not citizens.
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  Speaker 3: It's extraordinary and lo and behold.
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  Speaker 2: Dozens of rapists and pedophiles and other hardened criminals from
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  Speaker 2: countries all around the world. Well, they made that claim
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  Speaker 2: successfully and so they got to stay foisted onto our
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  Speaker 2: community by labor.
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  Speaker 3: Well.
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  Speaker 2: Today, the Australian newspaper unearthed a video from November twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty two when Giles was working up Direction ninety nine
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  Speaker 2: and he was boasting to the Refugee.
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  Speaker 3: Council about the changes he was going to make.
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  Speaker 2: One of the big issues that we have built with.
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  Speaker 4: As a government is to have regard to the ministerial
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  Speaker 4: direction that operates in respect the cancelation rasion, and have
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  Speaker 4: had close regard, particularly on the basis that discussions with
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  Speaker 4: their friends in New Zealand about how this can operate
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  Speaker 4: in a way that better reflects our application to people
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  Speaker 4: who have spent the majority of their lives in Australia
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  Speaker 4: as opposed to other countries.
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  Speaker 2: Our obligation, our obligation to criminal non citizens.
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  Speaker 1: This immigration minister.
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  Speaker 2: Whose job it is to look after Australia's interests, looks
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  Speaker 2: after the interests of the Australian community. Well, he was
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  Speaker 2: actually boasting about how he was going to ensure Australia
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  Speaker 2: fulfilled and obligation to foreign criminals. It's just staggering. The
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  Speaker 2: Opposition took up the issue in Parliament today.
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  Speaker 5: In elked video reported in The Australian just before question time,
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  Speaker 5: the minister sensation He sensationally claimed that Australia has an
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  Speaker 5: obligation to foreign criminals. Minister, what is Australia's obligation to
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  Speaker 5: foreign criminals?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, as you could have guessed, of course, the Minister
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  Speaker 2: just didn't answer this critical question. Instead, he told Parliament
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  Speaker 2: that soon soon he'll start doing what he should have
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  Speaker 2: been doing for the past two years.
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  Speaker 6: I conveyed to him that Direction ninety nine has not
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  Speaker 6: been working as intended and that we will be revoking
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  Speaker 6: Ministerial Direction ninety nine and issuing a new revised direction
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  Speaker 6: to make sure that the protection of the Australian community
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  Speaker 6: outlaws all other considerable.
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  Speaker 2: So now he gets it, only now he gets it
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  Speaker 2: protecting communities here, protecting Australians should be the priority. You
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  Speaker 2: don't say, but the Opposition raised yet another case where
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  Speaker 2: a foreign national with a long criminal history including kidnapping
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  Speaker 2: and who's a reporter asso should have convicted drug kingpin
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  Speaker 2: Tony Mockbell. Well, he'd won the right to stay in
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  Speaker 2: Australia under Direction ninety nine.
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  Speaker 6: I'm aware of the case that the Shadow Minister referred
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  Speaker 6: to it as a decision handed down by the AA yesterday.
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  Speaker 6: It is under consideration in accordance with the national interest.
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  Speaker 1: As is the case.
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  Speaker 2: This just goes on and on and gets worse and worse,
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  Speaker 2: doesn't it. And I go back to that video of
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  Speaker 2: the Minister talking to his fellow bleeding hearts at the
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  Speaker 2: Refugee Council. He actually said that Australia should have an
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  Speaker 2: obligation to foreign criminals. Minister, you are not here to
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  Speaker 2: exercise an obligation to criminal non citizens. You are elected
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  Speaker 2: by and for Australian citizens who expect you to do
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  Speaker 2: all you can to protect them from criminals, especially foreign
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  Speaker 2: criminals who should have been deported and would have been
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  Speaker 2: until you deliberately change the rules to give them a
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  Speaker 2: shot at staying here in Australia. This is a minister
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  Speaker 2: who has a lot to learn about his obligations where
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  Speaker 2: they belong. Somehow, I reckon he's for the high jump soon.
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  Speaker 2: Still just on Albanezie and Giles. Maybe they really think
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  Speaker 2: this is all just one big unfortunate accident. Maybe they
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  Speaker 2: really think they're not responsible.
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  Speaker 7: Please don't say it's danger resting villain's free. No, no,
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  Speaker 7: don't tell Albou. The ABC disagrees, No, no, please don't
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  Speaker 9: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I just love it.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks again to Ray Hadley, to GB and the Robertson
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  Speaker 2: brothers are glad I put them on to Helen Shapiro
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  Speaker 2: and at least it gives us something now to laugh
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  Speaker 2: about while we despair at Labour's incompetence. One of the
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  Speaker 2: strangest things about the ABC is its persecution complex. This
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  Speaker 2: is a national publicly funding broadcasting bayam off, funded by
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers to the tune of one thousand, two hundred million
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  Speaker 2: dollars a year, where four thousand people spread right across
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  Speaker 2: the country spend much of their time pumping each other's
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  Speaker 2: tires and running their own ideological trusades. Yet they bristle
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  Speaker 2: at criticism. The latest example has been when they're leading
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  Speaker 2: political reporter and staff elected board member no Less told
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  Speaker 2: a group of fellow travelers that Australia is a racist
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  Speaker 2: country and that the Opposition leader Peter Dutton was deliberately
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  Speaker 2: inflaming racism. Now never mind that Laura Tingle was out
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  Speaker 2: of line, never mind that her critics were vindicated because
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  Speaker 2: the ABC itself was forced to admit that she'd broken
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  Speaker 2: their guidelines for objective journalism. And never mind that this
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  Speaker 2: massive taxpayer entity needs to be accountable to the people
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  Speaker 2: who pay for it and we are supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: served by it.
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  Speaker 3: Never mind any of that.
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  Speaker 2: The ABC's managing director says there was a News Corp
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  Speaker 2: pylon against Tingle.
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  Speaker 10: I think that there are a lot of news Corp reactions,
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  Speaker 10: a lot of news Corp attention that the ABC gets
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  Speaker 10: regularly every week.
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  Speaker 3: This is called per obsessed with the ABC, aren't they?
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  Speaker 2: This is pretty amusing stuff, isn't it, especially when you
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  Speaker 2: consider how obsessed the ABC seems to be with news Corp.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, I think some of us here at news Corp,
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  Speaker 2: including me, you should be paid by the ABC because
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  Speaker 2: they regularly use our material, like clock really on Monday
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  Speaker 2: nights on Media Watch, where the classic old ABC lefty
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  Speaker 2: Paul Barry targets news Corp and he as he pushes
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  Speaker 2: his own green left views on climate change, on US politics,
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  Speaker 2: and on the Middle East.
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  Speaker 3: And he was at it again last night following and.
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  Speaker 11: Is rarely strike on a displaced person's camp in Rafa,
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  Speaker 11: which the Gaza Health Ministry says killed at least forty
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  Speaker 11: five people who had been told.
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  Speaker 1: It was safe to shelter there.
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  Speaker 2: That's Paul Barr and the ABC parroting information supplied by
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  Speaker 2: the Gaza Health Ministry. In other words, Hummus, they treat
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  Speaker 2: what Hummus says as fat they accept it without question. Tragically,
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  Speaker 2: there's little doubt some civilians were killed in this bombing attack,
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  Speaker 2: which was directed at Hummus terrorists.
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  Speaker 3: We still don't know how many.
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  Speaker 2: Terrorists were killed, but we do know it was not
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  Speaker 2: at a displaced persons camp. Site was hundreds of meters
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  Speaker 2: from the refugee camp, So it was not an Israeli
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  Speaker 2: strike at a displaced persons camp, as Barry couches it,
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  Speaker 2: but an Israeli strike on Hummas terrorists that may have
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  Speaker 2: led to civilian casualties. Israel is investigating, but there have
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  Speaker 2: been independently verified claims that Hummus munitions probably exploded in
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  Speaker 2: the attack, spreading fire and creating much of the carnage. Now,
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  Speaker 2: if we go back to last October, when Barry first
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  Speaker 2: covered the unfolding war triggered by the Hummas atrocity that
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  Speaker 2: slaughtered more than twelve hundred Israeli civilians, well, even back then,
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  Speaker 2: Barry was much more skeptical about Israel's claims than he
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  Speaker 2: is now about Hummas propaganda in.
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  Speaker 5: Lapocalypse, spebies cut off that's what they said, gunned down
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  Speaker 5: families completely gunned down in their beds.
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  Speaker 11: That horrific baby claim went viral on social media, with
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  Speaker 11: forty four million views on x in just twenty four hours,
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  Speaker 11: and it made headlines in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Monsters cut heads off babies.
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  Speaker 3: But was it true?
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  Speaker 11: Tastinia supporters on social media swore it was cruel propaganda
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  Speaker 11: and baseless lies used to justify.
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  Speaker 1: All out war.
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  Speaker 2: So that's less than number one For Paul Barry. Skepticism
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  Speaker 2: is terrific. All journalists should be skeptical about everything, but
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  Speaker 2: Barry is skeptical of Israel, a liberal democracy that operates
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  Speaker 2: under the rule of law, with a robust and open
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  Speaker 2: political system, accountability and a free press. While at the
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  Speaker 2: same time he accept as fat, he accepts as fat
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  Speaker 2: the information we get from the Islamist extremist terrorism outfit
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  Speaker 2: of HUMMUS. That is a perverse take on truth and
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  Speaker 2: skepticism from Paul Barry.
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  Speaker 3: Let's hear some more from him.
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  Speaker 11: And while Kenny did mention the Rougher strike in passing,
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  Speaker 11: he mocked the claim that mostly civilians had been killed
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  Speaker 11: and blamed Humas.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, I do blame Hummas, and I do not
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  Speaker 2: trust them to tell us that any of the dead
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  Speaker 2: were terrorists. Does Barry expect that Hummas would tell us
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  Speaker 2: when the dead are terrorists rather than claim that they're civilians?
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  Speaker 3: Why then, did the United Nations.
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  Speaker 2: Recently quietly revised down by nearly half the Hummus claims
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  Speaker 2: of civilian deaths.
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  Speaker 3: And yes, I do blame Hummas.
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  Speaker 2: They deliberately slaughtered men, women and children to start this war.
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  Speaker 2: They kidnapped hundreds of innocence, killed dozens of them, raped
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  Speaker 2: and tortured others, and still hold more than one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and twenty hostages.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I do blame Hummus.
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  Speaker 2: They continue to reign terror against Israel and continue to
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  Speaker 2: hide among Palestinian civilians who they use as human shields.
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  Speaker 2: I do blame Hummus because they could end the war
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow by releasing the hostages and laying down their arms.
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  Speaker 2: I blame Hummus for every death, especially every innocent civilian death,
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  Speaker 2: in this horrible war. So yes, Paul Barry, I blame Hummus.
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  Speaker 3: Who do you blame? But Barry had more to say
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  Speaker 3: last night.
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  Speaker 11: So what was Sky after Dark discussing? On Monday Night,
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  Speaker 11: Chris Kenny and Robert Gregory from the Australian Jewish Association
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  Speaker 11: were focused on the rise of antisemitism in Australia. On
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  Speaker 11: our account, it's around the thirtieth time it's been discussed
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  Speaker 11: on Kenny's show since the war began.
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  Speaker 2: So now the ABC approach is to ignore anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 2: We've had people chanting if the Jews and gas the
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  Speaker 2: Jews and wears the Jews, and Barry.
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  Speaker 3: Criticizes me for discussing it.
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  Speaker 2: We have hate preachers celebrating the slaughter of hundreds of
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  Speaker 2: innocence because they were Jews, and Barry criticizes me for
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  Speaker 2: discussing that. We have university students calling for the elimination
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  Speaker 2: of Israel and openly pledging their support for HUMAS, and
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  Speaker 2: Barry criticizes me for discussing it.
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  Speaker 3: Shame on Paul Barry and the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: They should be investigating this anti semitism themselves, not turning
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  Speaker 2: a blind eye. And Barry of course accepts the views
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  Speaker 2: of the International Criminal Court and admonishes those of us
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  Speaker 2: who who have criticized it.
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  Speaker 12: It's a terrible thing to accuse anyone of genocide, but
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  Speaker 12: it's a more terrible thing the genocide should take place.
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  Speaker 12: In my view, Jews are only going to be safe
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  Speaker 12: everyone's rates are respect and the rates of Jews are
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  Speaker 12: respected align with the rates of everyone else.
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  Speaker 11: It's rare to see that point of view expressed in
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  Speaker 11: the Australian, and you'll never hear it from Sky News commentators.
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  Speaker 2: Now, there are two key points on that nonsense. The idea,
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  Speaker 2: the aspiration. The reality that peace can only happen long
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  Speaker 2: term in the Middle East when Israel and the Israeli
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  Speaker 2: people are secure and are surrounded by other secure and
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  Speaker 2: peaceful countries and people is central to the commentary on
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  Speaker 2: this channel and in the Australian.
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  Speaker 3: So he's dead wrong again.
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  Speaker 2: Barry needs to learn what Hummus stands for, what it's
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  Speaker 2: fighting for. He needs to educate him as educate himself
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  Speaker 2: actually about whether Hummas would ever tolerate a two state
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  Speaker 2: solution and whether it would ever respect the rights of
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  Speaker 2: the Jews. Hummas is committed to genocide, genocide, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the other point. Barry backs the use of that term
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  Speaker 2: genocide against Israel. The genocide claim is obscene and absurd.
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  Speaker 2: To suggest a Palestinian population that has expanded more rapidly
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  Speaker 2: than the broader Israeli population is being subjected to genocide
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  Speaker 2: is to render the English language meaningless. Paul Barry, even
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  Speaker 2: more so than Laura Tingle, exposes the ABC's dark ideological prejudice,
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  Speaker 2: the fact that millions of dollars of taxpayers money are
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  Speaker 2: spent every year on a program that exists only to
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  Speaker 2: promote his political views and mislead people according to his
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  Speaker 2: partisan agenda. Well, that says it all about the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: He should be sleeping in a tent at a university campus,
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  Speaker 2: not paid by US to spin his green left dreams.
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  Speaker 2: Nobody in charge at the ABC. They take our money
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  Speaker 2: under false pretenses. Eventually taxpayers will no longer indulge them.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go to Camberra now and catch up with Shadow
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  Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, James.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go back to Andrew Giles and the
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  Speaker 2: astonishing video where he talks about Australia having an obligation
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  Speaker 2: to foreign criminals.
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  Speaker 3: Can you explain that obligation to.
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  Speaker 1: Me, Chris? I can't.
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  Speaker 10: It's one of many things I can't explain to you
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  Speaker 10: I'm afraid when it comes to Andrew Giles. I've been
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  Speaker 10: wondering why it is that the Prime Minister is showing
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  Speaker 10: such a high level of tolerance for this weakness and
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  Speaker 10: incompetence from his Immigration minister. There's the obvious answers like
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  Speaker 10: their friends and his affactional mate, and he controls numbers.
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  Speaker 10: But surely even those things have limits that we've well
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  Speaker 10: and truly pushed past. And what I've come down to
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  Speaker 10: after watching this Refugee Council video today is that Anthony
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  Speaker 10: Albinezi can't sack Andrew Giles because Andrew Giles is only
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  Speaker 10: doing what the Labor Party always does when it comes
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  Speaker 10: to border protection and community safety. They soften the successful
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  Speaker 10: policies of the previous coalition goverment because they don't have
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  Speaker 10: the strength in the stomach for the tough decisions required.
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  Speaker 10: And how can you sack Andrew Giles when all and
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  Speaker 10: ANDREWS Giles has done is exactly what the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 10: wanted him to do and instructed him to do. That
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  Speaker 10: would prove that it's a prime minister that's responsible for
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  Speaker 10: all of this mess.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty clear that the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 2: wanted this sort it out. The Prime Minister gave a
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  Speaker 2: commitment to Jacinda R.
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  Speaker 1: Durna.
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  Speaker 2: So therefore Andrew Giles is just implementing what his Prime
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  Speaker 2: minister asked him to do. Yet, surely you can still
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  Speaker 2: be sacked for doing that incompetently. Surely it's not Albanezi's
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  Speaker 2: direct fault for doing this so incompetently.
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  Speaker 1: That has to be on.
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  Speaker 3: The head of Andrew Giles.
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  Speaker 10: Well, Chris, it's clear to you, and it's clear to
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  Speaker 10: me that and Anthony Alberanezi is ultimately responsible. But it's
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  Speaker 10: not clear to the Prime Minister because every time we
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  Speaker 10: ask him about it in question time he says, what me, Oh,
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  Speaker 10: it's not my direction, it's the minister immigations direction, which
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  Speaker 10: is a very ominous sign for Andrew Giles. I don't
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  Speaker 10: think the PM wants to have a reshuffle in the
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  Speaker 10: middle of a sitting fortnite, and maybe not ahead of
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  Speaker 10: another sitting fortnite which is coming up in June and
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  Speaker 10: July become that winter break. If I was Andrew Giles,
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  Speaker 10: I think you can pretty safely book a holiday at
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  Speaker 10: the end of that winter break.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right.
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  Speaker 2: He can plan a holiday in his winter break, but
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  Speaker 2: he shouldn't be planning any parliamentary study tours or the like.
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  Speaker 3: He should be just staying home.
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  Speaker 2: Now, just getting back to this change, though, there's a
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  Speaker 2: fact that I keep pointing out that I think is
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  Speaker 2: sometimes missed, but mainly because Labour's spin. But Labour sort
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  Speaker 2: of talk about all these unintended consequences, but it's very
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  Speaker 2: clear the whole idea of this change was to make
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  Speaker 2: sure that some foreign criminals who otherwise would be deported
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  Speaker 2: actually get a chance to stay here. Now, obviously they're
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  Speaker 2: looking to implicate New Zealand on this.
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  Speaker 3: They really thought, if they give an.
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  Speaker 2: Opportunity to prove a connection to Australia, it's only going
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  Speaker 2: to be New Zealand.
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  Speaker 1: Criminals who appla.
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  Speaker 2: Criminals from Who's Bakistan and Tanzania and the America won't
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  Speaker 2: apply it.
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  Speaker 3: It seems naivety in the extreme.
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  Speaker 10: Well, exactly right, Chris. And actually the Department of Home
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  Speaker 10: Affairs warned the Minister about this in writing in black
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  Speaker 10: and white. They said, as a result of a desktop
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  Speaker 10: exercise which they ran, that if you introduced direction ninety
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  Speaker 10: nine with its new primary consideration of ties to the community,
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  Speaker 10: which applies to citizens of all nations, not just New Zealand.
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  Speaker 10: At the very least, it will lead to a twenty
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  Speaker 10: five percent drop in the number of visas that are
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  Speaker 10: canceled on character grounds after serious criminal offending, and new
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  Speaker 10: language that the government inserted into that direction even said
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  Speaker 10: that regardless of the level of offending, if that person
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  Speaker 10: has been here in the community since their formative years,
• 20:46
  Speaker 10: that should be given considerable weight. And the AAT has
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: referred to that provision time and time again now in
• 20:52
  Speaker 10: about eighty different cases that your colleagues at the Australian
• 20:55
  Speaker 10: Newspaper have identified, which apparently the Minister for Immigration and
• 20:59
  Speaker 10: the Department of Home Affair are just getting around to
• 21:01
  Speaker 10: having a lookout.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Well, there's another bloke, another criminal who's had his deportation
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: overturned in the AAT yesterday on the back of Direction
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: ninety nine.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: It's still in place.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Now, Giles says he's going to scrap it and bring
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: in a new direction. Now, my understanding is this is
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: just a direction that's tabled. It doesn't have to go
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: through Parliament, does it. I mean, what can you do
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: to make sure that there is parliamentary oversight of the
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: new direction, so that they actually get it right this time.
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: Well, you're right, Chris. After spending about a week defending
• 21:30
  Speaker 10: themselves and saying it wasn't their fault, it was the
• 21:32
  Speaker 10: aat's fault, it was Home Affairs fault, late last week
• 21:35
  Speaker 10: they finally admitted, in fact, maybe there is something wrong
• 21:38
  Speaker 10: with Direction ninety nine and it has to be changed.
• 21:40
  Speaker 10: But it hasn't been changed yet, and the Minister Immigration
• 21:43
  Speaker 10: is saying at best case scenario will be changed by
• 21:45
  Speaker 10: the end of this week. So in the meantime, more
• 21:48
  Speaker 10: foreign criminals are being allowed to stay on a daily basis,
• 21:51
  Speaker 10: including by the AAT, because of this direction. So they
• 21:53
  Speaker 10: really need to get their skates on here and fix it.
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: But I'm quite worried that they will stuff it up again.
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: They got it wrong the first time. There's no garrant
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: they'll get it right this time. And as you say,
• 22:02
  Speaker 10: it's not a bill, it's not legislation. They don't have
• 22:04
  Speaker 10: to pass it to the Parliament. It's just a direction
• 22:06
  Speaker 10: signed by the Minister which applies to his apartment and
• 22:08
  Speaker 10: the AAT.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: So we'll be.
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: Scrutinizing it very closely but ultimately it's going to be
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: on Andrew Giles whether this succeeds or fails.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, a Senator, I appreciate it, Senator
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: James Patterson.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: There how Andrew Giles is still in his job is
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: just beyond me.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: As I think, as I said last night, I think
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: most astragions think he's the one who should be deported.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: Perhaps he could be deported along with these criminals. He's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: just it's an abrogation of his basic responsibilities here.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: It's just terrible.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Let's go to another big issue, longstanding issue that we
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: haven't talked about for a few days, and I want
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: to catch up with Alan Moran from Regulation Economics.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: He joins us from Melbourne.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Alan, you responded to me when I wrote about the
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: renewable energy transition a few weeks ago, and I suggested
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that there's all sorts of costs involved here. But I
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: said that in terms of what our tax dollars have
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: how much of our tax dollars have been spent directly
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: on the transition, I said at least twenty billion dollars.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Now you've corrected me. I've underestimated that by probably thirty percent.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: You reckon we've already spent indirect tax dollars thirty billion
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: dollars on this transition.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I think at least that.
• 23:18
  Speaker 13: Actually, Chris, we started up pretty small back in two
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: thousand and six. It was like four hundred million dollars
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: a year. But we've added to the programs and expanded
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: the existing programs, and there's any number of acronyms of
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: new programs, of the CEFC arena, a whole lot of others.
• 23:36
  Speaker 13: You add them all up, and the government doesn't do
• 23:38
  Speaker 13: it for as used to do it, but he doesn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: do it for as you had them all up. And
• 23:41
  Speaker 13: we're presently spending at the rate of fifteen billion dollars
• 23:44
  Speaker 13: a year. So basically we've we've trajected up and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: would say we would have spent at least thirty billion
• 23:50
  Speaker 13: dollars so far, and the trajectory is all going upwards.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Still.
• 23:56
  Speaker 13: You know, we haven't seen any renewables produced in Australa
• 24:00
  Speaker 13: which have been produced without a subsidy.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: The subsidy is at least fifty.
• 24:04
  Speaker 13: Percent of what they of the price that they receive,
• 24:07
  Speaker 13: and in doing so they're basically not only use the
• 24:13
  Speaker 13: rate payers and the taxpayers money, but they've been used
• 24:16
  Speaker 13: to kill the most efficient, low cost form of electricity
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: we have, which is coal. Coal has gone from about
• 24:22
  Speaker 13: seventy five percent to maybe fifty five percent, and now
• 24:27
  Speaker 13: governments are really concerned that it may be going too quickly,
• 24:30
  Speaker 13: and they're actually subsidizing coal as well as subsidizing the
• 24:34
  Speaker 13: sorts of the sorts of things that are killing it off.
• 24:37
  Speaker 13: You know, it's sort of like we're spending money on
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: bombs to kill, to actually destroy productive activities.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: It is bizarre.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And the point is that we've spent all this money
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: and we now have power that's more expensive than it's
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: ever been and less reliable than it's ever been. So
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: we're going pretty well on this is just extraordinary.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: The cost home.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: You say you've talied it up at over fifteen billion
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: dollars a year. Now, I'm old enough to remember going
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: back a decade or so, governments would boast about their
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: total spend on climate and renewable energy. They would say,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: we're spending five billion this year or whatever. Have governments
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: started to become embarrassed about the spend because they don't
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: collate it altogether for us anymore.
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: You bang on the nail there, I think that's dead right.
• 25:29
  Speaker 13: Until about twenty eleven twenty twelve, there were items in
• 25:33
  Speaker 13: the budget which is totted it all up, and so
• 25:35
  Speaker 13: there's all this happening, and that's happening and you could
• 25:38
  Speaker 13: easily identify it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: Now it's dispersed over.
• 25:42
  Speaker 13: There must be two dozen or three dozen different programs,
• 25:46
  Speaker 13: and some of which are not clearly identified as what
• 25:49
  Speaker 13: the cost would be, and some of them go into
• 25:52
  Speaker 13: the future and you can't really identify it from year
• 25:54
  Speaker 13: to you. It does not make it easy to understand. Yeah,
• 25:58
  Speaker 13: which is irgin that governments are I embarrassed.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they must be, and think that's why we're grateful
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: to people like you who actually you tally it all
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: up for us. So just before I let you go,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: of course, this is only the taxpayer spend at fifteen
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: billion dollars a year and thirty billion dollars in total.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Of course, on top of that there's private investment on
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: those subsidized renewables and transmission and batteries and the like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: and we all have to pay for that in the
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: end through the higher electricity prices. They have to get
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: a return on the capital. What is the total private
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: spend so far? Do you think is it over one
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars?
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: Oh, it would certainly be over that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 13: And the interesting thing is that this private spend to
• 26:37
  Speaker 13: actually increase our costs. And I think it was the
• 26:41
  Speaker 13: chairman of the CEFC, one of the soft loan outfits
• 26:45
  Speaker 13: that that lend to these things to the private says, no,
• 26:49
  Speaker 13: we're not crowding private money outs. We're crowding it in.
• 26:52
  Speaker 13: In other words, we're bringing private sector investment into something
• 26:55
  Speaker 13: which is highly sub optimal, in fact negative value in
• 26:59
  Speaker 13: terms of and we think that that's a good thing. Eliza,
• 27:02
  Speaker 13: the government's appointing you think is a good thing. We
• 27:06
  Speaker 13: are cannibalizing investment capital to actually kill off efficient investments
• 27:13
  Speaker 13: and predictive investments.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Which is why I call it national self harm on
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: a grand scale. Thanks so much for on picking that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: for us, Allen, and I appreciated Alan around there from
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: regulation economics.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: I better get to a break.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: On the other Side'm going to catch up with Caroline
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Marcus and Steven Senate Tempo. We're going to talk abou
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Jewish students and academics planning a class action against Sydney University,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: plus a plan to hit businesses with big fines if
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: they refuse cash payments. Let's get on with our panel now,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: and Susio Brian's on the sick list, so it's been
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: a great chance to bring on a senior reporter here
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: at Sky News, Caroline Marcus joining him on on the desk.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Stakes Caroline and Stephen senate tempo breakfast radio host at
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: two Double C and Canberra, joining us from the nation's capital,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: from the Bubble, from the Bubble up there.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: I want to.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Start off with Caroline though, because you've broken a big
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: story today when it comes to anti semitism in this
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: country and the law case that's now being organized against
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Sydney University.
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: Tell us the details.
• 28:11
  Speaker 14: Well, there's been so much focus on these encampments and
• 28:14
  Speaker 14: what's been happening on university campuses across the country, but
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: now Australia's oldest university, Sydney University, looks like it it's
• 28:23
  Speaker 14: likely to face a class action lawsuit that's been prepared
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: where Jewish students and academics have been asked to put
• 28:31
  Speaker 14: their hands up basically if they've experienced anti Semitic incidents.
• 28:36
  Speaker 14: This case is being prepared for the Federal Court and
• 28:41
  Speaker 14: it is a class action lawsuit where the barrister, a
• 28:45
  Speaker 14: human rights barrister, Adam but is leading this case and
• 28:49
  Speaker 14: he's being instructed by a firm called Lebertt Robinson. Now
• 28:53
  Speaker 14: they're filing a representative action seeking damages against the university
• 28:58
  Speaker 14: on for breaches of racial vilification as well as duty
• 29:02
  Speaker 14: of care and other things. It's going to be a
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: landmark case.
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: What are some of the key incidents that you think
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: the case would refer to.
• 29:09
  Speaker 14: Well, I understand that it refers not just to what's
• 29:13
  Speaker 14: happened with the encampments recently that we've seen on the
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: university's grounds, but predates that as well to other anti
• 29:20
  Speaker 14: Semitic incidents that happened post October seventh, so involving students, staff,
• 29:27
  Speaker 14: other members of the university. But we do not have
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: that level of detail on The solicitors aren't commenting at
• 29:33
  Speaker 14: this early stage. What we do know is that the
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: university is aware of this matter and has said that
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: it takes incidents very seriously. It's as we never tolerate
• 29:45
  Speaker 14: any form of racism, hate speech, threatening speech, or on
• 29:47
  Speaker 14: lawful harassment, including anti Semitic or Islamic phobic language or behavior.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: They're always chuck that in there.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: But yeah, well this is fascinating because law case now
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: they're going to have to be accountable for whether or
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: not they have lived up to that ideal. Will follow
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: it closely. Caroline Marcus broke that story for us here
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: on Sky News. I just want to show you something
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: linked to this anti semitism from New York City today.
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: A parade celebrating Israel Israeli Day paraded in New York City.
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: And have a look at what some of the protests showed.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: The signs they showed they said kill the hostages now,
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: and another one boasting that some of these hostages won't
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: come home. I think we've got that sign here, someone
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: holding up to sign on their phone saying the hostages
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: won't come home. Stephen, this sort of hatred directed at
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: hostages were still being held in the tunnels under Ruffer
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: and elsewhere in Gaza. I find it so difficult to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: believe that humans would express that hatred to other humans.
• 30:48
  Speaker 15: And it flies in the face of the argument that
• 30:50
  Speaker 15: a lot of these people will make is we're not
• 30:52
  Speaker 15: anti Semitic or anti Zionist. Well, no, you're anti human being.
• 30:55
  Speaker 15: If that's what your attitude is I'm just disgraceful. And
• 30:58
  Speaker 15: you know, I mean the reason these these sentiments exist, though,
• 31:01
  Speaker 15: is because we live in a leadership vacuum at the moment,
• 31:03
  Speaker 15: and we're in Western democracies. I mean here in Australia
• 31:06
  Speaker 15: we talk about it almost every day, but the United
• 31:09
  Speaker 15: States is the same. There's no leadership there, Canada. Almost
• 31:12
  Speaker 15: right across the anglosphere, we're afraid to actually call out
• 31:16
  Speaker 15: this kind of behavior when and if it occurs, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 15: that's why it festers.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll just show you quickly a tweet here
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that from Tasnim chopra Am. She's been an ambassador and
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: Andi racism ambassador from the Australian Human Rights Commission, and
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: she's agreed with the claims that basically are casting doubt
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: about whether Israeli women and others were raped as well
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: as murdered on October the seventh. Just shocking stuff around
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the place. And we'll keep an eye on it. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: don't care what Paul Barry says. I will talk about
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: anti Semitism and i'd like to see the ABC focusing
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: on some of it as well.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: But let's move on to other issues now. I want
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: to talk about cash.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Well, I know a lot of people get frustrated. How
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: don't want cash it in them anymore? They want to
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: credit out or to wave your phone over it. Some
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: independent MPs Carolina going to put up a bill the
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Parliament making it making businesses susceptible to quite hefty fines
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: if they don't accept cash.
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: Yeah, up to twenty five thousand dollars. They should make
• 32:16
  Speaker 14: them pay that in coins and a double punishment. I mean,
• 32:21
  Speaker 14: I am probably one of the few people, at least
• 32:23
  Speaker 14: in my generation who still carries some cash around. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 14: find it quite annoying when I can't use that. We should.
• 32:30
  Speaker 14: It is legitimate money, you know, it's still currency. We
• 32:33
  Speaker 14: should be able to use it. And for people, especially
• 32:35
  Speaker 14: the elderly people in regional areas, I think it is important.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: It is people have the right. I'm shocking. I've become
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: very cashless. I'm just checking this see whether I've got
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: any cash in my wallet, because I've got I've got
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a ten pound note from England.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I was in England in January, so that's well.
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But the thing is, Steve, and if people want to
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: use cash, you should be able to use it because
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it's legal tender. You shouldn't have to use your phone
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and your credit card for all kinds of reasons. There's
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: often a cost involved in that. Also, people are wisely
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: alert to the fact that this means there's a money
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: trail of everything they do.
• 33:12
  Speaker 15: Absolutely, and look, I got to say, I think our
• 33:15
  Speaker 15: politicians had spend most of their time in this building
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: repealing laws. This is one that I actually applaud and
• 33:20
  Speaker 15: good on these independent MPs. I don't think the fine
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: is high enough. Twenty five grands not enough, and they
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: should start with a cafeteria here in Parliament House that
• 33:28
  Speaker 15: wouldn't take Bob Catter's money when he tried a few
• 33:31
  Speaker 15: months back.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's involved in this of course. Yeah, absolutely, But.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I think Caroline's idea is great.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Twenty five thousand dollars in one dollar coins would be
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: pretty good.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Now cent coins.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Now, I remember I used to have a job where
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: I collected money from vending machines and I had a
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: money counting machine. Had to go home at the end
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: of the day and sort out all the one and
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: two and five.
• 33:55
  Speaker 14: I tried to get a speaking I know we want
• 33:58
  Speaker 14: to move on to the next topic, but has become
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: interested in collecting coins now and I've tried to look
• 34:03
  Speaker 14: for a piggy bank if they're not easy to find anymore,
• 34:06
  Speaker 14: to even buy one of those. I don't know if
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: this is just a lot of our cashult society, but
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: clearly they're going out of fashion.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the old piggy bank. Yeah, we'll keep an eye
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: out for them. Let's know if they're still for sale.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Used to get it? Well, would you be a school
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: bank book?
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: You get the giveaway piggy bank as well.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Just quickly, I want to talk.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: About the federal government changing the rules of the Defense Force,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: saying non citizens can actually join our defense force. No
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: flesh on the bones of this story. Here's Andrew Hasty
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: asking for more detail.
• 34:38
  Speaker 16: Labour's plan to recruit migrants into the Defense Force is
• 34:41
  Speaker 16: a half backed idea. There was no debate, there was
• 34:42
  Speaker 16: no discussion. They've just dropped this this morning without any notice,
• 34:46
  Speaker 16: and I think Australian people have a right to know
• 34:48
  Speaker 16: exactly what their plan is.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, Stephen, we need to know more. Do you like
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: the sound of this idea or not? I would have
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: thought being a citizen mightn't be a bad prerequisite for
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: being in our armed services.
• 35:00
  Speaker 15: Well, I suppose desperate times call for desperate measures. But
• 35:03
  Speaker 15: I mean, what have we come to when we are
• 35:06
  Speaker 15: considering importing soldiers. I mean, the reality is, if you
• 35:09
  Speaker 15: want somebody to fight for your country, and that's what
• 35:11
  Speaker 15: you're putting these people in the armed forces to do
• 35:13
  Speaker 15: is potentially fight for your country, they've got to have
• 35:15
  Speaker 15: some connection to this country and some I guess level
• 35:19
  Speaker 15: of patriotism. If you're not a citizen, or you have
• 35:22
  Speaker 15: decided not to become a citizen for one reason or another,
• 35:24
  Speaker 15: how do you have that. I mean, this is just
• 35:27
  Speaker 15: going to be a cash grape from people thinking, oh, well,
• 35:28
  Speaker 15: it'll be a bit of money from the government, will
• 35:30
  Speaker 15: sign up, put a uniform on for a few years
• 35:32
  Speaker 15: and Bob's your uncle. But there's got to be more
• 35:34
  Speaker 15: to it than that, and we've got to talk about
• 35:36
  Speaker 15: the broader problem here is that young Australians don't want
• 35:39
  Speaker 15: to become part of am military anymore, and the ones
• 35:41
  Speaker 15: that are in the military don't want to stay there
• 35:43
  Speaker 15: because they're treated so badly and they're so underresourced.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a broader.
• 35:47
  Speaker 15: Problem that needs to be fixed, and it can't just
• 35:49
  Speaker 15: be We'll just bring a few people from Papua New
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: Guinea or Canada or England or wherever to fill the
• 35:54
  Speaker 15: numbers up because we can't do our job here or.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: In New Zealand.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: New Zealand, I know you're watching us in New Zealand.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: We can't send our criminals back to you. Maybe they
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: can join our army instead.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: This governments they're all about non citizens, right.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: They want the non citizens to stay here and go
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: with our arm services.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Just bizarre.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, Caroline and Steven really appreciated.
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: Got to get off to a break.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: On the other side of that, we're going to go
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to the US and get a reaction to Donald Trump's conviction,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: plus Joe Biden's hectic day, A really busy day for Jay.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you exactly what he's been up to. The
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: circus that is American politics continues. Donald Trump has joined TikTok,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: that Chinese owned and controlled platform that he once tried
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: to ban.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: The President is now on TikTok.
• 36:43
  Speaker 9: It's my own.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's going to be a long five months
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: until election day, isn't it. Little earlier I asked Kristen
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: Tate to tell us about the US reaction to Donald
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Trump's conviction.
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: Well, that depends who you ask, Chris.
• 37:08
  Speaker 18: If you talk to conservatives, they're absolutely disgusted.
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: They think this country.
• 37:13
  Speaker 18: Is practically finished, at least our political system, and that
• 37:17
  Speaker 18: the justice.
• 37:19
  Speaker 17: The idea of justice in this country is a sham.
• 37:22
  Speaker 18: However, if you talk to liberals, they think that this
• 37:25
  Speaker 18: is all wonderful and justice is blind and Donald Trump
• 37:29
  Speaker 18: is being held accountable for his crimes just like everybody else.
• 37:32
  Speaker 18: So what has happened here is essentially hardening the resolve
• 37:37
  Speaker 18: of both sides.
• 37:38
  Speaker 17: But conservatives are absolutely furious. Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Now, I showed on the program last night a couple
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: of instances where the President Joe Biden seemed to be
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: confused and not knowing what to say in response to
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: this conviction. But I want to show tonight some straightforward
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: comments he made, some clear comments he made and he
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: tried to stay above the freck hor if you'll, I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: can say that people should rely on the American judicial system.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: Here's the president as it's dangerous.
• 38:08
  Speaker 8: It's irresponsible for anyone to say this was real just
• 38:12
  Speaker 8: because they don't like the verdict.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, clear warning to Donald Trump and his supporters there
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: for complaining about this verdict.
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: To Kristin.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: The thing that worries me, I suppose is that on
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: all the evidence and all the interpretation we've had from
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: legal experts, this is the sort of conviction that would
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: not bring a custodial sentence.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: There would be a fine, you would not go to jail.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: What will happen, That's.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: Right, if they do sentence Donald Trump to jail?
• 38:46
  Speaker 18: Oh, I mean the district attorney in this case, Alvin Bragg,
• 38:49
  Speaker 18: has made it very clear that's what they're after. They
• 38:51
  Speaker 18: would love to put Donald Trump in jail, even though,
• 38:54
  Speaker 18: as you mentioned, the typical sort of penalty for this
• 38:57
  Speaker 18: kind of crime is not jail time.
• 39:01
  Speaker 17: But this is what the liberals have been after the
• 39:03
  Speaker 17: whole time.
• 39:04
  Speaker 18: Putting him in jail would be what they would love
• 39:06
  Speaker 18: the most. But hey, even if they don't put him
• 39:08
  Speaker 18: in jail, Chris, this is still a win for them.
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: They have changed the narrative of this election. We are
• 39:15
  Speaker 18: not talking about Joe Biden's abysmal record or the fact
• 39:18
  Speaker 18: that the President of the United States can't even get
• 39:21
  Speaker 18: through a coherent sentence of the English language. Instead, Joe
• 39:25
  Speaker 18: Biden is going to sit back and do the basement
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: strategy that he did last time around, while he hopes
• 39:31
  Speaker 18: the country will be talking about how Trump is a
• 39:33
  Speaker 18: convicted felon. You know, you watch any of the mainstream
• 39:36
  Speaker 18: news outlets now and these smug broadcasters can't even contain
• 39:41
  Speaker 18: their disgusting grins as they call Donald Trump a convicted felon.
• 39:45
  Speaker 17: The whole thing is just so infuriating.
• 39:48
  Speaker 18: But I'll tell you, I think it might backfire on
• 39:50
  Speaker 18: the left, Chris, because this is going to turn out
• 39:53
  Speaker 18: conservatives and Republican voters in droves, even the never trumpers,
• 39:57
  Speaker 18: even the squishy Republicans. We are disgusted by what has
• 40:01
  Speaker 18: happened here, and they will go out and cast their
• 40:04
  Speaker 18: votes for Donald Trump because of this.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: To send a message, well, let's talk about Joe Biden.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: As you mentioned, he might want to try and run
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: the basement strategy again.
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: That is up.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I'd be very very seldomly in front of the public,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: in front of.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: The media, not saying much, so he's doing that already.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: I just want to show you and show our viewers
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: this clip from his press sectory Crange. Jean Pierre was
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: explaining why the president essentially did nothing yesterday.
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: Are you sure what he did today?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: We didn't see him all day.
• 40:37
  Speaker 9: There was no schedule of what he did.
• 40:39
  Speaker 7: You'd need to share with you on What I can
• 40:42
  Speaker 7: say is the president, as you know, he made some calls.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: He called the newly elected Mexico president.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: That was his day's work, Christian, he called the new
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: president of Mexico.
• 40:59
  Speaker 18: Everybody knew exactly what's going on here, even Biden supporters, Chris, they.
• 41:04
  Speaker 19: All know that he can't do this job. He physically
• 41:09
  Speaker 19: and mentally cannot do this job. And they're not even
• 41:14
  Speaker 19: trying to hide it anymore. The administration is not even trying.
• 41:17
  Speaker 18: So what they're going to attempt to do instead is
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: again just kind of push them away into the basement
• 41:22
  Speaker 18: and point at Donald Trump and say, look at that big,
• 41:25
  Speaker 18: mean orange, no good, bad man over there. He's an
• 41:28
  Speaker 18: insurrectionist and a domestic terrorist. Go vote against him, because
• 41:32
  Speaker 18: if you don't, democracy is dead.
• 41:34
  Speaker 17: That is the strategy, and it's all they've got.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Again.
• 41:38
  Speaker 18: I guess the black Swan event could be if they
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: pull Biden out at the last minute and swap them in,
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: swap them out with someone else.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: But that I still recon it's on. We won't know,
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: We won't know till August. But I still recommend supply
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: for them. In the meantime, though, Hunter Biden is finally
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: facing some criminal justice over our arms charges, and Joe
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Biden's put out a statement with his wife. He says
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: that he's the president, he's also Dad Jill, and he
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: loved their sound, and they're proud of the man he is.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: Today.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: What we know about Hunter Biden, it's hard to be
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: proud of the man he's turned into. But anyway, he's
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: going to face justice. I'm just interested to get a
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: sense from you, Christian, how much news this is making
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: in the US, and there are any people making the
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: connections not just from this criminal charge, but also all
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: the allegations of Joe Biden's knowledge of Hunter Biden's business
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: interests and the rest of it.
• 42:35
  Speaker 18: Of Course, the media is completely ignoring this story about
• 42:38
  Speaker 18: Hunter Biden, as they have been since the last election,
• 42:41
  Speaker 18: since the laptop story was suppressed, and Americans have no
• 42:45
  Speaker 18: idea of the facts surrounding Hunter Biden's lawlessness or particularly
• 42:49
  Speaker 18: Joe Biden's involvement in it. But I'll tell you, Chris,
• 42:52
  Speaker 18: when you talk to every day voters and you lay
• 42:54
  Speaker 18: out those facts in ways that are easy to understand
• 42:57
  Speaker 18: people are horrified by it, especially when you to pose
• 43:00
  Speaker 18: it with what's happening to Donald Trump. It is obvious
• 43:04
  Speaker 18: we have a two tier justice system in this country
• 43:06
  Speaker 18: and everybody understands that.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: Now, great to talk to you again, Kristen all over
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: what is a crazy American political system just at the moment.
• 43:16
  Speaker 17: Thank you very much, Chris.
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, don't go away because standing by and his bush
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: hideaway is the blogger to the nation, Tim Blair plenty
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to chat about, including thousands of tesla's sitting in an
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: unwanted electric vehicle graveyard. Let's go straight to Tim Blair
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: and catch up with the latest.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Tim.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: As you know on this program, we're always looking for
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: ways to improve this nation, and I love your latest
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: column because you've come out with some cracking ideas to
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: improve this nation.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: I just want to start off on a couple of them.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You've got brilliant ideas to fix the ABC. That is,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: they have a four go a million dollars of taxpayers
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: money every time one of their reporters calls Australia racist,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: and also have all their salaries caps at the average
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: national wage.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: This is genius.
• 44:13
  Speaker 20: Well I'm very serious about the second one absolutely, because
• 44:16
  Speaker 20: you know, if you go to the ABC's archives, there's
• 44:20
  Speaker 20: hundreds of stories, literally hundreds of stories complaining about the
• 44:24
  Speaker 20: gap between rich and poor. Now, as it happens, a
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: really good way to increase that gap is to take
• 44:29
  Speaker 20: money from average way journers and give it to millionaires
• 44:32
  Speaker 20: working at the ABC. It's a perfect, perfect way to
• 44:35
  Speaker 20: increase the gap, because Abage, you should be writing those
• 44:38
  Speaker 20: articles about themselves. But if they do that, but like
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: you know, even if we did peel a million dollars
• 44:43
  Speaker 20: off their budget every single year, becreaus. This is what
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: people don't understand about just how massive and grotesque the
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: obc's budget is. Take a million dollars off them every
• 44:51
  Speaker 20: single year, and after five hundred years they'd still be
• 44:54
  Speaker 20: on half a billion.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Dollars exactly, and we still wouldn't be powered by renewable
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: energy either.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: I just want to show you some pictures here.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: Have all got this this shot of all those teslas.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Now you might think with all those teslas there, it's
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: the ABC staff.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Car park, but it's not.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: Let's allow Channel seven to explain, all.
• 45:18
  Speaker 21: Dressed up and nowhere to go. Two thousand teslas arrive
• 45:23
  Speaker 21: here at Port Melbourne every month, but there's no buyers
• 45:27
  Speaker 21: to take them home.
• 45:29
  Speaker 15: All of a sudden, we've got a huge, a huge
• 45:32
  Speaker 15: backlog of Teslas that aren't moving.
• 45:35
  Speaker 20: They've just stopped moving.
• 45:36
  Speaker 21: Tesla sales slum to forty four percent in April, despite
• 45:40
  Speaker 21: the US car giant making multiple and significant price cuts
• 45:44
  Speaker 21: to its fleet in a bid to compete with the
• 45:47
  Speaker 21: growing Chinese EV market.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: Things not going so well for Tesla.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: How long until Chris Bowen forces us to buy one?
• 45:57
  Speaker 20: Well, he's walking towards it, isn't I love the Labor
• 45:59
  Speaker 20: government policy on motor cars in general. You know, you
• 46:03
  Speaker 20: can have everything you want, any one of them you want,
• 46:05
  Speaker 20: as long as you don't want it. And that's what
• 46:08
  Speaker 20: they call freedom of choice under the Labor government. But
• 46:12
  Speaker 20: this is what happens to niche products everywhere. It's like,
• 46:15
  Speaker 20: you know, the latest Ferrari, the latest Bentley, the latest Rolls,
• 46:17
  Speaker 20: worst Lands that maybe there's four or five examples, and
• 46:20
  Speaker 20: they quickly sell out to John Laws or Lindsay Fox
• 46:23
  Speaker 20: or whatever. Those manufacturers don't make the mistake then of
• 46:26
  Speaker 20: importing thousands more, saying man, the market's crazy for these deals.
• 46:30
  Speaker 20: Let's see how many we can move after a certain point. They,
• 46:33
  Speaker 20: as the seven reporter said or the spokesperson, they don't
• 46:36
  Speaker 20: move at all.
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: All they need is like a thousand jumper leads and
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: connect all those teslas up and they got a battery
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: that all these power Melbourne for about a nanosecond.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: We'll see.
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: Now I've got to go to Malcolm Turnbull. He's written
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: an article about Donald Trump. But I'm going to go
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: to one quote in particular.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Have a look good this.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull writing about Donald Trump says he's a powerful
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: narcissistic self belief that he has and it's given him
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: the strength to define not just as many.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Enemies, but even reality itself.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Now, Tim, a mutual friend of ours who shall remain nameless,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: who knows Malcolm Turnbill extremely well, sent me this boat
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: last night and says, that's Malcolm writing about himself exactly.
• 47:23
  Speaker 20: This is a a my word. This is a really
• 47:25
  Speaker 20: hard care for him, isn't it to actually use those
• 47:27
  Speaker 20: words and get even the faintest hint that it might
• 47:31
  Speaker 20: be reflecting on him as well? All this stuff about
• 47:33
  Speaker 20: you know, you've got to stand up to him like
• 47:34
  Speaker 20: I did. Turmble actually didn't. Look here he is was
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: all fine, everyone's hunky dory, and now he's pretending that
• 47:39
  Speaker 20: he was like, you know, mister tough guy, that he
• 47:41
  Speaker 20: has taken on Donald and slamming him to the canvas.
• 47:45
  Speaker 17: Look, it's all wrong.
• 47:47
  Speaker 20: It was all friendly, kiss he lovey dovey, absolutely fine.
• 47:50
  Speaker 20: So you know he's his assessment is completely accurate, as
• 47:54
  Speaker 20: as you say, it's reflecting on Malcolm himself rather than
• 47:58
  Speaker 20: a former US president.
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: Very quickly, I think we've got time to squeeze this in.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Here's Anthony Fauci actually confessing to the lack of science
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: in the approach to COVID.
• 48:09
  Speaker 22: What I meant by no science behind it is that
• 48:12
  Speaker 22: there wasn't a control trial that said compare six foot
• 48:17
  Speaker 22: with three feet with ten feet, So there wasn't that
• 48:20
  Speaker 22: scientific evaluation of it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's six feet apart, two meters distancings and what
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: we had stickers all around the world telling us to
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: do this, no science to it. It was just a stab
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: in the dark.
• 48:32
  Speaker 20: Yeah, even to this day, there is still If you
• 48:34
  Speaker 20: go around various towns around the country, you'll still find
• 48:37
  Speaker 20: stickers on the floor. We just call them now Fauci marks.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. Thanks for joining us, Tim, appreciate it.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Tim Blair, you read his stuff and get to his
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: blog via the Daily Telegraph website. Just quickly a little
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: bit of your feedback to what I had to say
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: about the Immigration Minister Andrew Giles last night.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Adrian says Giles is.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: The gift that keeps on giving, assuring Labour's defeat at
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: the ballot box, and another viewer says, at any other job,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: this bloke would be out the door, that's for sure.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: And still another viewer says, this is what happens when
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: people are appointed based upon ideology and not demonstrated competence. Indeed,
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: if we had demonstrated competence at a as a prerequisite
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: for the cabinet table, there wouldn't be too many blokes
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: all women sitting around it just now, Thanks for watching.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Coming up next is Steve Price for Kredlin