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Ep. 873: Clovis First, Saving The Great Lakes, and the World’s Largest Wildlife Crossing · The MeatEater Podcast

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the news show, everybody. This week, we've got
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: news from Washington's crooked Game Commission. Did a secret service
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: canine handler get caught with his pants down?
• 0:11
  Speaker 2: Hanoi?
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: Randall reports on IDOH hunting tech bands, which I'm generally
• 0:16
  Speaker 1: sympathetic to, the most hated wildlife crossing in the world,
• 0:20
  Speaker 1: which is in California, A plan to save Great Lakes whitefish,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: and Clovis First is back Baby plus more Clovis What
• 0:33
  Speaker 1: Clovis First? It's a theory on the peopling of the Americans.
• 0:37
  Speaker 1: Clovis First. Clovis First was there, then they killed it,
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: and it's risen from the dead.
• 0:46
  Speaker 3: Those people can't make up their minds. Man, It's like
• 0:48
  Speaker 3: the Ceila cans that fell flat.
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I got it. That's good. That was a
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: good joke. It's like a Lazarus species. Yanni's back fishing
• 0:58
  Speaker 1: in Key West. What's going on?
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  Speaker 4: You?
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  Speaker 1: Honest?
• 1:00
  Speaker 5: It's funny.
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  Speaker 6: The like this second or third night after fishing, I
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  Speaker 6: was on FaceTime with my gal and she's like, how
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  Speaker 6: are you not burned up? I'm like, man, I'm just
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  Speaker 6: I've just learned. After forty seven years, you put a
• 1:13
  Speaker 6: bunch of SPF fifty on and you can just stay
• 1:16
  Speaker 6: not Red Randall and Max are a little bit cherry.
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  Speaker 2: I put on spfere on Sunday. I thought it would
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  Speaker 2: bounce out that.
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  Speaker 1: I had a point. It tapers off, doesn't It is
• 1:29
  Speaker 1: that like a like there's like a sunscreen scandal that
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  Speaker 1: maybe I'm not aware of.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not quite sure the science behind it all, but
• 1:36
  Speaker 2: I retroactively applying strong sunscreen after not having sunscreen doesn't actually, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: in fact.
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  Speaker 1: Like I got burnt bad, I'm gonna put it on here.
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  Speaker 3: You need to invest in a ten gallon hat man.
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  Speaker 1: So is that the best is that that's what you got?
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  Speaker 1: That you got sun you did that you didn't get sunburnt.
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  Speaker 6: Mark Kingan and I went down to Key West to
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  Speaker 6: do a little fishing with our good body Jake Grim
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  Speaker 6: that I think most of us here in this room,
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  Speaker 6: no you know him.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: It always makes me feel left out when and then
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  Speaker 2: I still feel like the new guy.
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  Speaker 6: That's good, it's fresh. Jake's the guy that took me
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  Speaker 6: under his wing for some hound hunting. I've had forgotten this.
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  Speaker 6: The whole way that we met Jake is that he
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  Speaker 6: was like an early meat eater fan and was emailing
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  Speaker 6: us about going rabbit hunting with beagles in Montana. Do
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  Speaker 6: you remember that, Like, that's not how I know that's
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  Speaker 6: our first contact.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not. No, it's not how I know. His
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  Speaker 1: his his wife used to work.
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  Speaker 6: With us, I know. But that is after Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 6: he was like clay Newcombe. That's how we came about
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  Speaker 6: Clayton Newcomb too. He sent an email being like, y'all
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  Speaker 6: need to come to Arkansas to squirrels and bears and
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  Speaker 6: deer and look.
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  Speaker 2: How that turned out.
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  Speaker 1: And you caught a tarpin.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, so Mark and I almost caught a tarbin, right,
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  Speaker 6: Uh yeah, catching catching tarbin comes in many different versions,
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  Speaker 6: and yes, is unfortunate but fortunate. I've spent probably seven
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  Speaker 6: full days of my life standing on the bow of
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  Speaker 6: a boat looking for casting at tarpin. I've hooked one,
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  Speaker 6: jumped one, nowhere near catching one. Literally the third cast.
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  Speaker 5: Of the trip.
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  Speaker 6: So first morning, it's still dark outside, kind of like
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  Speaker 6: it's there's not enough the sun's not high enough where
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  Speaker 6: you can actually see in the water, And all of
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  Speaker 6: a sudden, we're like kind of getting ready because we're filming,
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  Speaker 6: so we're getting ready to do like an intro scene,
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  Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, somebody looks over and goes,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god, they're right there and like literally already
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  Speaker 6: within casting range. And they're just when TARPA and when
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  Speaker 6: they call tarp and happy, they're almost not even moving.
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  Speaker 6: They're just kind of sitting in one spot and bobbing
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  Speaker 6: in a way like in the current, you know. And
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  Speaker 6: so you know, the yelling starts, and you know, Jake's like,
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  Speaker 6: get the rod, but be quiet, don't make a lot
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  Speaker 6: of noise when you move to the bow of the boat.
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  Speaker 6: And so I grab a rod, get out on the bow,
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  Speaker 6: and literally the third cast. I'd never done this, Brody,
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  Speaker 6: Have you done this much? Where you cast and then
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  Speaker 6: instead of stripping with one hand, you put the rod
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  Speaker 6: in your arm pit and then strip with both hands.
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  Speaker 1: I'm familiar, but I've never had occasion to do that.
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  Speaker 3: Good because you won't screw up in trout set. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: oh if you set with a rod on a tarp
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  Speaker 3: and it's not gonna end.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I've hooked three and I've never got past the
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  Speaker 1: part where they jump out of the water.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's goes for most people.
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  Speaker 1: And I didn't even I wasn't even I only became
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  Speaker 1: I was so fast, I was only aware that it
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  Speaker 1: happened after it happened. Yeah, it's sort of dawned on
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  Speaker 1: me in the I'm like after it was already gone.
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  Speaker 1: It was dawning on.
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  Speaker 5: Mean what the.
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  Speaker 3: Fish in the key, the tarpin and the keys. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you're honest, Canna tell you, But there's just like the
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  Speaker 3: tarpin and the keys are hard man, And I would
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  Speaker 3: love for someone to explain why they's so much harder
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  Speaker 3: to catch on fly in the keys than they are
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico or Belize, because I've got shiploads of them
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  Speaker 3: in Mexico and Belize never landed one in the keys.
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  Speaker 1: Go on, ye us tell us the real.
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  Speaker 6: Another reason for the two handed strip is because it
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  Speaker 6: keeps the fly moving. There's never this this. Yeah, you
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  Speaker 6: don't like let go and then have to reach up
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  Speaker 6: and pull again. But yeah, that moment when that fish
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  Speaker 6: it takes the fly and then you know Jake's yelling
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  Speaker 6: at me to strip, and you strip and you feel
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  Speaker 6: it come tight from there. The next three seconds I
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  Speaker 6: think it's like the most like violent and exciting and
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  Speaker 6: chaotic three seconds of fishing. That I've ever experienced, because
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  Speaker 6: like you know that you've attached yourself to something big.
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  Speaker 6: It's right there, it's in shallow water. You've got fifty
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  Speaker 6: feet a flyline that are it's like half wrapped around
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  Speaker 6: your toes, and you're just hoping that as the fish
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  Speaker 6: runs and jumps that the line clears the deck and
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  Speaker 6: gets on the reel before it, you know, binds up.
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  Speaker 6: Because then later that same morning, Mark fed One got
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  Speaker 6: him on and we had a loop go around the reel.
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  Speaker 6: And I try to do everything I could to you know,
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  Speaker 6: I'm trying to pull against a one hundred pound fish
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  Speaker 6: and make a loop to you knowing it around the reel,
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  Speaker 6: and I just I couldn't do it for him, and
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  Speaker 6: it broke. It's just over mine ended this way. I
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  Speaker 6: fought him for an hour. It jumped twice, the big ones.
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  Speaker 6: Jake said, they don't jump too much. He guesstimated it.
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  Speaker 6: He's like it was a solid hundred. He's like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know if it was one hundred and ten or
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  Speaker 6: one hundred and thirty, but it was a really big
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  Speaker 6: tarpin in his mind. Fight him for an hour, which
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  Speaker 6: I was a little disappointed that I didn't fight him better.
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  Speaker 6: I had read all the stew apped articles and books.
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  Speaker 6: You know that name, No Brody knows it. Yeah, stew
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  Speaker 6: App taught down and dirty, basically meaning that anytime you
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  Speaker 6: fight any fish, but for this instance tarpin, is that
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  Speaker 6: anytime that fish had goes left, you bring your rid
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  Speaker 6: tip down into the right, and when he when you
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  Speaker 6: turn him to the right, you bring your rod tip
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  Speaker 6: down into the left, and you're basically not only tiring
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  Speaker 6: him out, but you're breaking the fish's will, is what
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  Speaker 6: he thought, and so that he.
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  Speaker 1: Always like in a psychological battle with him.
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  Speaker 6: He felt that like in fifteen minutes, he could pretty
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  Speaker 6: much land any single tarp and by doing that.
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  Speaker 5: So I didn't I thought I was going to do that.
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  Speaker 6: I didn't do it. But yeah, we chase him all
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  Speaker 6: across this base and like a mile or something, and
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  Speaker 6: we get to the back of this base and the
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  Speaker 6: water's getting shallow. We probably hooked him in five or
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  Speaker 6: six feet of water, and we're in like two to
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  Speaker 6: three feet of water now, and there's this little bridge
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  Speaker 6: that's kind of like in our periphery. We're not really
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  Speaker 6: paying attention to it, and there's a creek you know,
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  Speaker 6: leaving the basin going out, I guess, depending what the
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  Speaker 6: tide's doing going in or out, but at this moment,
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  Speaker 6: it's going out into the creek, and.
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  Speaker 5: Somehow the tarpin.
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  Speaker 6: Just slowly moves and moves that direction, and we're kind
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  Speaker 6: of like Jake's like off the polling platform and he's
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  Speaker 6: getting ready to anchor, and we're getting ready to literally
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  Speaker 6: like put our hands on the fish. And I honestly
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  Speaker 6: think that there was just enough suction from that creek
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  Speaker 6: that that one hundred pounds of weight in the water
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  Speaker 6: gets pulled to that to that creek mouth and he
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  Speaker 6: goes under the bridge. So we pulled the boat right
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  Speaker 6: up to it. The entire boat will fit under the bridge,
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  Speaker 6: including the polling platform, except for the sort of holder
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  Speaker 6: bracket deal that sits on top of the polling platform
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  Speaker 6: that holds the the pole itself.
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  Speaker 1: We'll just snap that off.
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  Speaker 6: We discussed it, and we thought that it might cause
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  Speaker 6: more damage to the platform if we just went for
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  Speaker 6: the snap, and so Jake just told me to hold
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  Speaker 6: the reel and bust him off.
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  Speaker 1: And now you never got to scale off it.
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  Speaker 6: Now, I wasn't going to take a scale. Steve's if
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  Speaker 6: you don't know, that's the thing they used to do,
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  Speaker 6: Like I don't know, Well they.
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  Speaker 2: Used to take that in the dark agent.
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  Speaker 1: They used to take it, take another one and then
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  Speaker 1: they took a scale. And now you just let it
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  Speaker 1: go in the shark eats it.
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  Speaker 5: That is the thing you worry about.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, we actually so we went offshore to a day
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  Speaker 6: and where we fish these wrecks like it. Jake was like, look,
• 9:05
  Speaker 6: don't fight him fast, just to be a tough guy, like,
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  Speaker 6: you're literally going to get more filets if you guys
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  Speaker 6: can get these fish in as fast as possible, so
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  Speaker 6: don't have to round. And we still, luckily we're mostly
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  Speaker 6: catching banita, which aren't really you know, know we really
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  Speaker 6: eat those anyways. But we probably pulled in half dozen
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  Speaker 6: benita where it was only the front half of the
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  Speaker 6: fish left, you know. But yeah, Jake had a great
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  Speaker 6: trip for us. We went down to dusk three days
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  Speaker 6: in a row offshore day we caught mahi, blackfin tuna,
• 9:37
  Speaker 6: the banitas, and then we ended on a mutton snapper
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  Speaker 6: and we each got to catch one big, old giant
• 9:45
  Speaker 6: like fifteen.
• 9:46
  Speaker 5: To twenty pound mutton snapper, which was sweet.
• 9:48
  Speaker 1: That thound was weird that I didn't even get not
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  Speaker 1: only not invited, but didn't know.
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  Speaker 6: It happened. To know, there's a lot of things that
• 9:57
  Speaker 6: happened around here I don't think you know about. Yeah,
• 10:00
  Speaker 6: did you know Brody and I are both training for
• 10:01
  Speaker 6: big running races?
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Quick note from the last episode. Yeah, so the last
• 10:12
  Speaker 1: episode of the news show, we reported on a chip
• 10:15
  Speaker 1: civil war. Yes, Randall reported on a chimp civil war.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Rand Old Phil had made a ken Burns spoof video
• 10:28
  Speaker 1: about a chimp civil war. I think it's funny we
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: put in the show. I think it's funny. I go
• 10:36
  Speaker 1: home and I'm laying with my wife and I showed
• 10:38
  Speaker 1: my wife the video. She thinks it's funny. I send
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: the video to ken Burns, who's been on the show before,
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: and I've said, thought you'd get a kick out of this.
• 10:48
  Speaker 1: He replies, Oh, I just did one of those for
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: the Colbert Show. Yes, who, as I explained before the show,
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: I think does too much facial humor.
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: Uh So, then.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, he didn't do a chimp video for the
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: Colbert Show.
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: He did really chimp civil rite down.
• 11:13
  Speaker 1: People haven't seen Randall's video yet, right down to like
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  Speaker 1: banana jokes to like a handwriting a letter, which I
• 11:21
  Speaker 1: then thought I wasn't aware. It seems like those guys
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: would have mentioned that they stole the joke from a
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: TV show, and then I was pissed.
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: Did they steal it?
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: They claimed no.
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  Speaker 7: I'd like, so Ken, oh yeah, here's the link to
• 11:43
  Speaker 7: the to the thing, and I'm like, oh my god,
• 11:46
  Speaker 7: I had no idea, and he's like, hey, the more
• 11:48
  Speaker 7: the merrier, and I'm like, dude, I had no idea
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  Speaker 7: that I stole your joke.
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: You know, Spencer always claims that Jeopardy is stealing questions
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  Speaker 3: from him.
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  Speaker 1: The New York Time steals all my reporting.
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  Speaker 2: So I would like to point out just how obviously
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: linear this. I fish my story.
• 12:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, please please, then you can take it away. Then
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: Randall produces for me. It's not dated, but he produces
• 12:16
  Speaker 1: for me a text dating.
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  Speaker 2: Back well before the Cold Bear.
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: Thing, in which he says him and Filler texting, and
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  Speaker 1: he says, I want to do it like a Ken
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  Speaker 1: Burns Civil War.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. But there's no date on it.
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  Speaker 1: So now I'm so embarrassed. I'm sending this to Burns.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to validate. Yes, because I was embarrassed, and
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  Speaker 1: he sent me exclamation points.
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  Speaker 3: It made me laugh.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it made me laugh too. But then I'm like,
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: you can't run it. Yeah. And then as they're convincing
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: me that they didn't steal the joke, and then it
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: was it was like it was that two people, and
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: my wife's like, I don't think they stole it. I'm like,
• 13:05
  Speaker 1: who they is selling?
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  Speaker 6: Of course they didn't steal it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, if there's two guys that watched Colbert, it's
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  Speaker 2: these two.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I said, I haven't watched.
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  Speaker 2: When you just said no one watches he sent me
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  Speaker 2: the email saying Colbert had done it. I thought the
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: Colbert Report isn't on the air anymore. I forgot that
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: he was doing shows or something. I forgot, well, I
• 13:32
  Speaker 2: forgot that he was doing Late Night. I was thinking
• 13:34
  Speaker 2: about the comedy, the old comedy.
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  Speaker 1: A right wing Guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I will point out that. Yeah. Like one,
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: this news story was from about a month ago, and
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: it kept getting booted. I texted Phil about covering this
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: as ken burns. It kept getting booted because the administration
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: kept doing more horrible things with the Forest Service, and
• 13:56
  Speaker 2: and then the boundary waters, and so I think in
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: that text I did say, like ship, we got to
• 14:00
  Speaker 2: cover the boundary waters. We'll pun on the chin. Brody said,
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  Speaker 2: it seems like something our audience wouldn't be aware of,
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: so it'll still be fresh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, but here's here's his proof. I mean there's no date.
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  Speaker 1: We know that at some point at ten fifty three
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  Speaker 1: am date, Randall says, if we had more time, I'd
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  Speaker 1: prefer to do it ken Burns style and read a
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: bunch of fake chimp letters over some mournful film music.
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: Definitely need to talk boundary waters.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: And and I'd like to say I need to read
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: a text from Phil. Well, there's a bunch of text
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: I'd love to read. So okay, he says Phil.
• 14:42
  Speaker 8: Hold hold on l for a quick timeline.
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: I had no idea.
• 14:45
  Speaker 9: Steve and ken Burns were having this conversation about like, oh, well,
• 14:49
  Speaker 9: we should probably pull it, like.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: Are my guys frauds or not?
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: We so we.
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  Speaker 9: Published the podcast episode, so some of you may have
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: heard it in the audio only version. We published a
• 14:58
  Speaker 9: podcast episode. I am. I get a text from Randall
• 15:02
  Speaker 9: and our content guy at like six in the morning saying, hey,
• 15:05
  Speaker 9: do you guys know Colbert did this two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 9: Randall and I start panicking and texting each other. It
• 15:10
  Speaker 9: was my decision to pull the segment, and Randal ken.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: I wanted to pull it too because I was like.
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  Speaker 2: I texted Phil and I said, efing, Colbert beat us
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  Speaker 2: to it, and then he said, this is two weeks
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  Speaker 2: this is crazy. I said, I know, blah blah blah.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Phil said, I've seen this happen with comedy writers and
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: every time I think, yeah, right, you totally stole this.
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: And I pointed out, there's this there's a news story
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: about a civil war among animals. If you want to
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: make a spoof, you make a ken Burns spoof.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: That's my wife said, I don't think that's true.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: And if you want to make a ken burn spoof,
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: your only options are gray and white like like sepiotoned images,
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: and then you fake writing a letter. Phil, this is
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: my fair text. Phil says, I'd like to think he
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: knows we're not so blatantly dumb as to rip something
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: off from an incredibly well known popular show where it
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: lives on the Internet for everyone to easily find and see.
• 16:04
  Speaker 2: And the fact that we gave the thumbs up to
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: send it to Ken burns Uh when he was part
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of the Colbert One. So we went on and on
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: about this. I'm starting to believe you.
• 16:17
  Speaker 8: I'm glad we're making some headway.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: But isn't it nice to know that my wife believed
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: you all along?
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: You know what we should do?
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was horrified by this.
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: Can you play the can you play the joke?
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I think we should play him both and see who
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: which one wins.
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: I think copyright times random much because we saw there a.
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: Thousand times.
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: There we go.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: His his, it's a thousand times better. Just listeners, go
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: find the Colbert One watch that.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, be disappointed when you know the funny thing.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: It makes the same joke A bunch of times.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: Phil and I were when we were texting with We're
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: texting with Barge about this that morning, and we're both like, one,
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: we have to pull it. This just looks so stupid.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: And I was talking to Barge later and he goes,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: he goes, what convinces me that you didn't steal this
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: is that if you'd stolen it, you would have been
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: pointing out the differences between the two, and you would
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: have been like I still think we could keep but
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Phil and I were both just like so stunned by it.
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Our initial reaction was pull the whole thing. I'm going
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to crawl into a hole. And then after I watched
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: the after I watched the Colbert One, I was like,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: you know what, I actually think, like ours is.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Good enough?
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Ours is better?
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And you know why, Barge told me he knew you
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: were telling the truth. What's that he said? People aren't
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: that good at lying? Oh yeah, well he said they
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: would have to be like pathologically good at lyne.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: This is like my worst nightmare.
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: The fact that you guys are having side conversations with
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: all my knowledge about whether or not we lied is
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: like I want to stay in that hole that I
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: crawled into.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because because I will.
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: I know it too. Film.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: It was all happening at the same time. Film. I'm like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: hold up, because just to come clean, I'm saying to Barge,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: hold on a minute. There's the same joke. There's a banana,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: there's there's like a hand writing a letter, and he's like,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: but that's a Ken Burns documentary. Yeah, it's just you.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: They'd have to be pathologically good at lying to like
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: lie about this.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: And I my Probably one of my favorite parts of
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: the day was when I said to you, like the
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: most obvious spoof in the world civil War, ken Burns,
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: and and you said, I wouldn't have gotten there. I
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: would have thought guns n' roses civil War. I would
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: have written the whole song I don't need Chip, but
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, because feeds the furry. I woke up and
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: saw the email from ken Burns in my phone, and
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I thought to myself, Chip Babies, In what world is
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: something that I produced? Like what like some piece of content?
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: In what world does Ken Burns watch that? Like that's
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: a wild thing?
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Was you stealing his ideal?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And now I found out he's also read one of
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: my texts.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Someday he's gonna hear something else you did and he's like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: why do I know that name? Yeah? Exactly this. Yeah.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: So anyway, this goes.
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: Back to last week when we found out, when we
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: found out Colbert had done it, we had, like I thought,
• 19:31
  Speaker 9: we had three options. One was to just run it
• 19:33
  Speaker 9: without saying anything, and then I thought, well, people are
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: going to think we stole there. Someone's gonna make the
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: connection and leave a comment and say, hey, Colbert just
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: did this. Second option was to like record a quick
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: disclaimer beforehand and be like, hey, steal it, but enjoy
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: I guess, And I didn't want to do that either,
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: So like the third option was, we just pull it
• 19:51
  Speaker 9: and we'll address it later.
• 19:52
  Speaker 8: So that's what we're doing. I think we should show it.
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: It's better than Colbert can go watch his on your
• 19:56
  Speaker 9: own time. But here's here's the one that we ran
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: last week.
• 20:03
  Speaker 10: My dearest Bubbles, I write to you from beneath a
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: forced canopy that no longer feels like home. The rainy
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: season has come and gone eight times now since I
• 20:14
  Speaker 10: last held your hand, and still this ruinous conflict shows
• 20:18
  Speaker 10: no signs of relention. What once seemed a temporary rift
• 20:23
  Speaker 10: among brothers now portends. As the primatologists say, in a
• 20:28
  Speaker 10: permanent vision of our community, the Western forcesm go go,
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: press on with a ferocity that defies comprehension. Twenty eight
• 20:37
  Speaker 10: of our number have now fallen, twenty eight souls. The
• 20:41
  Speaker 10: reports from the front are not fit for juvenile eyes,
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: chip genitals torn from the chimp genital places. How awful
• 20:50
  Speaker 10: that the opposable thumbs we have been blessed with by
• 20:53
  Speaker 10: our creator are now used for such unspeakable acts. The
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: men now whisper of infe struck down in their innocence.
• 21:02
  Speaker 10: The white tufts of hair on their rumps will never darken,
• 21:05
  Speaker 10: as they typically do among our kind in their fifth
• 21:08
  Speaker 10: year of life. At night, when the moon hangs low
• 21:12
  Speaker 10: over the forests of Kibale, I close my eyes and
• 21:16
  Speaker 10: I am home. I hear the screeches of our brood,
• 21:20
  Speaker 10: and I feel your saginal crest under my elongated fingers,
• 21:24
  Speaker 10: our family swinging peacefully amongst the trees in a behavior
• 21:28
  Speaker 10: known as brockiation. In those moments, I imagine that none
• 21:33
  Speaker 10: of this is real. I am merely living in a
• 21:36
  Speaker 10: nightmare of war, and I shall awake with you lying
• 21:39
  Speaker 10: in the dirt beside me. First Sergeant Knuckles, third Canopy,
• 21:44
  Speaker 10: Regiment Central and Go Go Forces.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: It really is. It's it's a big part of being
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a man is admitting when you're wrong.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: I wasn't wrong, No, no, I was wrong. Oh oh okay.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: I like after twenty four hours had pat I'm trying
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: to acologize. No, no, no, But like I felt like
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: after my blood pressure went down twenty four hours later,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: I thought, maybe we should have just done it. Maybe
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: we should have played it.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe we overreacted. I never thought that you weren't being truthful.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: I just thought that. I even was saying to Katie.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: She's like, there's no way they know about that. I'm
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: there's no way they don't know about it. And I said,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: there's a thing with younger people that you'll come up,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: like someone will come up with an Instagram joke for instance,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: or the example I used, making it April Fool's joke
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: that your company has a product that they don't actually have. Right,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: someone did that it was funny. People now feel it's
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: like people are very free and easy with just doing
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the joke over and over and over and over. Like
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the new generations don't mind just stealing everything. So I said,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: I think that they're from like the generation when that's
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: actually okay, and she's like, that's dumb you think that.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: But this has all happened very fast. I just so
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I never thought that you were fibbing. I thought that
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: you just thought it was okay.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely, that's the thing. I was like horrified by
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: it and just thought the world is ending. I have
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: like a fear in the back of my mind sometimes
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that like there's you know, like that that unintentionally, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: you get something like this happens and you're just like,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: this is my worst nightmare. So thanks for thanks for
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: standing by us, And thanks to the Internet for all
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: the good facts about chimpanzees that I learned while researching
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: that I just wanted to search for, like fun things
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: about infant chimpanzee.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you really mixed the vegetables with the meat on
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I learned about the rump of the tuft of fur.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: You know, And did Katie think it was weird that
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: you thought that that was a thing that the new
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: generation will just repeat the same joke or the fact.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: That no, she got she understood that it's okay to
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: steal jokes and if someone has a funny joke on internet,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like if you're like me, every time I hear whatever, right,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: and then everybody's like, hey, I'm gonna do that too.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: She recognizes that that's the thing that you used to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: not do. But people do now, Like the people steal
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: stuff now in a way that they don't even feel.
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: You don't even think it's stealing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: I think that like what the kids do now so
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: often is there's a trend and like if you don't
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: do your version of that trend and post it like
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: you're not in the game.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're stealing other people's jokes.
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it's a stealing. I think it's
• 24:44
  Speaker 6: a participation, like you have to do it.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: The auction House of Bodities is coming back out. The
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Auction House Otities is going to be very good this
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: time around. Why what happened that? Oh? Almost almost great.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: We had a guy in Pennsylvania find an albino raccoon roadkill,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: roadkill on the side of the road. He reports to Brody, Hey,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: does a pure white raccoon dead on the road? Broty's like,
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: grab it. We're used for the auction houseavodities.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: The guy then.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Lets eight hours pass eighty degrees laying on the asphalt.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: By the time it gets to our guys, it's got
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: maggots coming out of it. So that's not in the
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: auction house. But here's an interesting thing that is in
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: the auction house. My old man had a I think
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it was an eighty nine Ford f one when he died.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: I drove it for a while. Then I sold it
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: to my buddy Matt Drost, who I had no idea
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: is still driving that thing. He's done with it. We
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: just bought it from him. We're gonna we're gonna have
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: an auction item called Steve's dad's shitty old truck filled
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: with great new hunting gear. We're gonna fill that truck
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: full of hunting gear, new brand new honey gear, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan is gonna drive it to your house. Wow.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Did I say how much he bought it for? I
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: wish I would have done that. Can you bleep out
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: when I said how much he bought it for?
• 26:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I'll make it out.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: Are you gonna do a little tune up and paint
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: job on that thing?
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Is paint already tuned up? Tuned up? I have to
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: me and the old man doing grip and grins with
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: rough grouse on the tailgate. It's like, yeah, that's in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the auction house. What's not the auction house is our
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: punt gunks. We're selling that on the same auction we
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: bought it from.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Is this a stick or an automatic auto loader?
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you something my second date with my wife.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: That truck single bench seat?
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Nice? No, it's got an extended cab.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Oh it does. I'm looking at pictures I don't see
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the extended cab.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: It's got an extended cab. You call me a liar.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just seeing. I'm telling you what i'm looking at.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, it doesn't have an extended cab.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: The ones ice.
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: No, you look at my ole Man's Now I'm looking.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: At pictures of eighty nine.
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: For what color?
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: Is it? Green?
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: Was?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: What like?
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: We're gonna stuff it full of hunting gear, Yeah, all
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: of our all the stuff that's under the Mediumbrella or
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: way more.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna Mark's gonna dig deeper in that.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: You might want to put a few fifty five gallon
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: drums of gasoline, maybe put a.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Gallon judge fuel, and Mark's gonna drive it to your house.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: This is a great auction item. We've got tons of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: auction items in the auction house this year. It's gonna
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: be a great auction.
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: Uh.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Trying to think some other highlights from that thing. Oh,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: when we redid the new studio, all the leftover barnboard,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: we got a one hundred and fifty horse power Honda
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: outboard with about three hours on it. That's going in
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: the auction house. You have to pay shipping. It's palletized.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: You just gotta pay shipping. We'll ship it to you.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be it's gonna be hot. Uh, we gotta
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: keep moving, brody.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my kid, my little kid got his first gobbler
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: this past weekend. Speaking of Jake Gribb, he's got a
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: little little small chunk of land and central Montana that
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: we went out and hunted, and uh, Steve told me
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: there was never any birds there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: That's not what I said.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: I killed a bird there, just you were like, it's
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the kind of place that doesn't have birds regularly.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: But said they might be on the neighbors anyway. When
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I got one there, we called it off the neighbors.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: I said, there might not be one on it, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: there might be one on the neighbors anyway. He got
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: one after that, of bad, the same thing.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, we had a long morning of like listening to
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: turkeys and not killing the neighbors. No, they were close,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: they just wouldn't cross the creek. So we had to
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: do a big loop and get around them, and we
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: got in got into their zone, and uh, it was
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: very strange because like I could hear one strutting like
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: spitting and stuff drumming, like could not see him, and
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: he was like kind of behind us, and I didn't
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: want to turn anyway. We made another little move and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: where that bird was, the grass was like almost hip high,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: very thick grass like kind of stuff you don't really
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: see turkeys like moving around in. And then like six
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: inches of neck and head pop up out of that grass.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And that was that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: But the highlight of the trip was no, I got
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: him on the twenty. I'm over those four tens, man,
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: it's like limited capabilities. The highlight was maybe not that,
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it was the fight we had about seeing a wolf
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: the night before.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: He saw a wolf and you didn't, well, it was.
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: A coyote, a very white, fluffy coyote he was. And
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: we got in a big fight because he's I would
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: not believe that it was not a wolf.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Did you make him cry?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: No?
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: Anyway, Steve said that you were angry about getting that
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: boy a turkey.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: What do you make You had a passion? You're so
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: you had a passion.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: It's like, it was I have to I do because
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: he didn't.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Get one last year, which is his first available year
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: to do so, And like both of my boys are
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: playing baseball and I'm training for that race that Steve
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to talk about it. I'm like, dudes, you
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: guys have limited availability. Like we got to make it happen,
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: so it was perfect, got it done.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Uh join now by uh we're joining remotely with
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Brian Lynn, VP of Marketing and Communications with the Sportsman's Alliance.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: If you're not aware of Sportsman's Alliance, it's a very
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: good organization that does a lot to uh defend protect
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: hunter rights, trapper rights. Like you have different different organizations
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: do different things, Like you have a lot of conservation
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: organizations that do stuff to preserve habitat, they do wildlife work.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Sportsman's Alliance has a lot of work to defend your
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: rights as a hunter, as a fisherman from attacks coming
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: from the animal rights world and other things, and just
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: also just kind of just generally making sure that sportsmen
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: interests are being represented on.
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: The political and the political sphere.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: And he's here to talk to us about something we've
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: alluded to a bunch over the years is what exactly
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: what in the world is going on with the State
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: of Washington's Game Commission and why has there been so
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: much distressing news coming out of the State of Washington,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: such as that they lost their spring bear season back
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: in twenty one, that the new talk of bumping the
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: start of the fall bear season because of this sort
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of fictitious idea that there's conflict in Washington between wildlife
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: viewers and bear hunters, which is not a true thing.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: So over to Brian, thanks for joining us, man.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: You bet you happy to be here.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: So tell us real quick, like a high level like
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: why is there so much.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Why is there so much talk about Washington's Game Commission?
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Like what's going on with Washington's Game Commission? Why have
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: we been talking about this for four years?
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: It seems Yeah, it's been longer than four years. It's
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: been about six now. And it all goes back to
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Jay Insley, our former governor. He and his wife were
• 32:53
  Speaker 4: this was their pet project, is to dismantle the Game
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Commission and bring in the animal rights movement and let
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: them run things here. And he did years and years
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: worth of planting those seeds and this is what we're reaping.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: And so what are some of the things that what
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: are some of the things that happened that have led
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: to the current situation where we actually have some of
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: these commissioners being investigated for a host of I don't
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: think it's maybe you can correct me. I don't think
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: it's criminal activity, but it's definitely malfeasan's and you know,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: a mild level of corruption at least.
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would push it beyond a mild level. It's
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: there's definite corruption and collusion going on with the animal
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: rights movement. We have the documents, we have the we've
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: put him out there. It's on the public page out
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: there that we have. There's even potential felonies being committed
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: by the former chairman our chairwoman of the commission about
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: deleting records text messages between commissioners. We we've put out
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: there that they violated the Open Meetings Act in Washington
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: by daisy chaining emails together and basically coming up with
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: a game plan on how game commission meetings are going
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: to run, who's going to introduce, what, where everybody stands
• 34:13
  Speaker 4: on the vote, while leaving other game commissioners out. They
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: don't do it all on one email that would be
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: a quorum, but they'll do it with you know, three
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: or four and then forward it on to another one
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: and say here's the plan.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: How many game commissions does Washington.
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: Have they have nine, okay?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And how many were there to represent the animal rights
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: or how many were there to represent the animal rights
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: movement or the anti hunting movement? Like what was the split?
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: Well, right now, it's well when it all happened, when
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: this all went down, spring bear kind of was the
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: impetus for it all. And at the time there was
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: only eight on the commission and the spring bear hunt
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: is a special regulation hunt that had to be approved
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: every year. When they voted on it, it was a
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: four to four split. Therefore it didn't pass. It wasn't approved.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Oh that's why it was canceled. It didn't actually get canceled,
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: It just didn't get reinstated, I see, And that's why
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: I kind of kicked it all off. Fast forward from
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: there about a year and they wanted to make that permanent. Well,
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: by that time, Jay Insley had put people back into
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: place and reappointed or not reappointed, and it's about it
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: was about a five to four split then, and that's
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: what it went into was they made a permanent change
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: to cancel it about a year after that first initial pass.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: And so now it's canceled unless there's a biological reason
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: and they try to make this weird distinction between recreation
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: and wildlife management, which is if you know, you know,
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: everybody looks at that and it's like, what are you
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: talking about.
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that we reported on that last week, or talk
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: about that at length last week where they put their
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: this this idea that they're saying there's no demonstrated management need,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: meaning they're saying there's no need to hunt black bears.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I would say, but there's no need to fish walleye.
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: There's no need to.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Hunt turkeys like that.
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: That's not the that's not the standard that a wildlife
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: species needs to hold up to. That. It's like we
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: we only hunt things that are deleterious.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: No, and and even this the spring bear hunt, actually
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: even breaks that idea even more because the whole piece
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: of it why they held it for the major reason, yes, recreation,
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: but the biggest piece it was only available in like
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: three units, three areas, and that's where timber harvest took place.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Because the bears are waking up and shredding the trees up,
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: like seventy five trees a day. I think they're just shredding,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: and so there's a need, there's an economic need, there's
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: a resource need right there.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: If that's the.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: Argument, got it?
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Got it? So tell me some of the things that
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: the commissioners were doing around Like I've seen references to
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: destruction of government property, of having basically side meetings outside
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: of the formal meetings, removing public removing public input, planning
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: on disregarding public input. Can you hit us with a
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: couple examples.
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they were working. I mean even they were working
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: behind the scenes, communicating with each other and working with
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: Washington Wildlife First, which is an offshoot of Wildlife for All.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: And their whole purpose is to cause this disruption and
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: to change game commissions nationwide to be quote unquote more
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: representative and get other people's interests and use basically the
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: popular vote to run game management. And so they would collude.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: They would they had a list of commissioners when they
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: were filling empty seats that they wanted in the place
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: in place ones they didn't, ones they'd put out there
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: for decoys. They colluded with each other on votes, and yeah,
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: they were just basically anything and everything to do with
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: advancing their ideology. They were pushing. They would even say
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: this is an ethics issue for me, I don't care.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: I don't like it. What the science says, it doesn't matter.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: Melanie Rowland said.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: That, Yeah, and you guys put out you guys put
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: out some information where the commissioners will be discussing official
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: business on official emails, and they would literally just say
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: let's take this over and then take commission business over
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: to their private emails. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they were told, I mean, the Nole memo
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: came out and they were told not to use private emails.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: I think Lorna Smith was even using her husband's emails.
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: So you're using private emails, you're using your spouse's emails,
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: you're discussing official business offline in chat rooms, you know,
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: over text messages, phone calls, whatever. This is not how
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: good government operates. I mean you can even step back
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: in Washington State and say, this isn't even about spring
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: bear hunting. We have appealed to our pra lawsuit, you know,
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: to the appellate court. If it's if this standard of
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: government is upheld, all transparency and accountability in Washington is gone,
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: like good government is shot. Because the ruling in our
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: case was as long as they give you a couple
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: of records and tell you every three to nine months
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: that they're still working on it. They can take as
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: long as they want to to give you any public
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: record request. In our case, it would have taken five
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: thousand years to get all of our records.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: I remember, I remember reading that at the Yeah, at
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: their proposed rate, Yeah, you'd have been five thousand years
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: in to get the records. And then frankly, like a
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: lot of a lot of the records are gone right,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: like no one's ever going to see them.
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: I mean, we don't know. I guess that's what happens
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: when you can't get into it, you know. And again
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: the Nold memos showed that they were Laurna and Melanie
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: especially were delaying things, pretending they couldn't find it, didn't
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: know how to search our emails, couldn't look this up
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: or that up, had deleted it. Oh that's destruction of property.
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: Oh let me find it. Then then they found it.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: But when the Animal Rights Movement would put in a
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: pr request, they were on it just like that got
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: it within days. It took weeks and months.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: So what's the next thing that's going to happen here?
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Oh, there's a there's a lot going on, Like that's all.
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: What's happened. We have the PRA lawsuit that's going to
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: appeal the old memo that came out, you know, kind
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: of last fall or so that that popped out. Well,
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: they didn't give that to us in discovery when we
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: filed our PRA lawsuit, so we filed sanctions against the
• 41:15
  Speaker 4: department for doing that, and that hearing was moved from
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: May first to I'm not sure when it got kicked to,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: but that got moved back. So got those two lawsuits.
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: Washington Wildlife First and Lorna Smith, who's on the commission,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: have filed the first First Amendment federal lawsuit against Kelly
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Susswin and Deputy director Ammy Windrow for First Amendment violations
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: and saying that they chilled her speech and silenced her,
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: which I don't know what they silenced because she hasn't
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: quit talking in the five years she's been on there,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: and you know that they're intimidating her when our records
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: show the exact opposite. She was bullying staff and you
• 42:01
  Speaker 4: know there was people trying to stick up for the staff.
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: So they have that lawsuit going on. They've also sued
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: Washington Wildlife FIRSTUS also sued the Washington Department of Fish
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: and Wildlife over their game management plan. Sportsman's Alliance just
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: stepped in as an intervener to make sure when that
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: goes to trial and there's discussions that sportsmen are represented.
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: It is not just the Department to end Washington Wildlife
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: first doing this. We're going to watch out make sure
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: that hunter's interests are represented.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: And then where does what's your level of optimism about
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the commission getting back the commission getting back into like
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: a firm footing where it's going to do a better
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: job of managing wildlife as a renewable natural resource.
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: That depends wholly upon Governor Bob Ferguson. You know, if
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: it was Jay Insley, I'd say zero. With Ferguson. He
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: pulled back to you know, eleven eleven hour and fifty
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: nine second. Right before Insley left, he appointed two fishing
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: game commissioners who would have really tilted the balance. Ferguson,
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: to his credit, came in, kick those guys to the curb,
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: put in two new ones who are fair and balanced
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: and good and whatever. They listened to both sides. So
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: we'll see the investigation has been taking place. There's been
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: an internal investigation going on for nine months now. It
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: was due well, it got extended four times, was hit
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: the Governor's desk April thirteenth, and so the rumor is
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: that it got sent back for revisions. I don't know
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: what that means. So supposedly sometime in mid to late May,
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: that internal investigation is supposed to come out and we'll
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: see what Governor Ferguson does. Hopefully he removed at the
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: minimum Lorna Smith and Melanie Rowland, and we'll see what
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: happens with Barbara Baker and John limcool. But if we
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: can get those four who have colluded and done other
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: things off of there and just put people in there
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: who understand and want to see wildlife do well and
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: balance it all between the different competing forces, we'd be okay.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: But we'll see all right, man, Thank you for coming
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: on and talking about it.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: Uh you, Brian.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: Lynn, VP of Marketing Communications at Sportsman's Alliance. If you
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: want to find out more about Sportsman's Alliance, you can
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: find them online and see about the different ways they
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: engage on your behalf all around the country. Thanks a lot,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: appreciate it, Thank you. Okay, Oh Phil, can we put
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: that video up real quick.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: So here's a video everybody's seen a thousand times. It's
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: you might have fast forward it. This is like if
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: you on the news, if you've seen the video of
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: the of the wood be political assassin who came into
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: the White House correspondence dinner. So I watched this video
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: four or five times. I'm exaggerating. I watched it three times.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: I watched it three times without ever realizing what I
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: was looking at. Then a recent podcast guest texted me,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: if you listen to the show we recently had on
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: a canine handler an lap He trains apprehension dogs and
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: other kinds of canine unit dogs for police departments. He
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: was just on the podcast. This video comes out of
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: the guy of the would be assassin barging in to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: you know, banking up, breaking in through security, and the
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: guys like, watch this. The canine handler isn't trusting the
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: dog's instinct.
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: And if you see this, it's crazy.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: This when that suspect he comes in, he's trying to
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: find his way in.
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: Here.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: He comes to and he fires at one of the
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: secret service guys with a shotgun. What that guy walks by,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: You see him walk behind the background. He has a
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: canine like basically with its nose in his back pocket,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: and the handler is just walking along with the dog
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: and the dogs like this guy, this guy, this guy,
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: and the dudes just like missing it. Go back and
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: play it. Watch that's the suspect. Now watch that dog.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: That dog's like, hey, him, him, him, It could have
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: cost that dude his life.
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: And then his handler walks him back and two seconds later.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: Yep, the dogs like no, no, check this out, check
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: this out, check this out. The dog check it out.
• 46:48
  Speaker 6: The handler is looking in there.
• 46:50
  Speaker 11: Seconds later, the guy emerges.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Then the guy busts out of there with a shotgun.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Didn't that while I would have never noticed that?
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: And the I guess, like the the do is going
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: off fear or.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: No, he said, that's a he says it's a he
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: goes he's he's not sure, but he said almost certainly
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it's a bomb. Dog. Yeah, And he's smelling certain like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: he's like vapor trailing residues and gunpowder. But the interesting
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: thing is everybody there is armed, So it's kind of
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: funny that the dog is like no, no, him him, yeah, yeah,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: but the dog is like glued to the guy.
• 47:23
  Speaker 11: That's crazy because two seconds later, he just emerges.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there he is, pulls pulls his gun out. The
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: dogs like, hey, check him out.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: That handler was looking at something longer. Yeah, like he
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: was interested in something in that room. But then he
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: said that.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: The guy says, I feel like he was slow to
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: pick up the queue.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: He was slow to pick up the que because his
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: thing was the guest thing was you might doubt. He
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: had a lot of examples of where the dog's like, no,
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: that's it, but people people miss it. Meaning a dog
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: comes into a room, he goes to a corner of
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: a room and he hangs out. But you don't realize
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: that what he's talking about is the suspects in the drops.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's like, the dog's not wrong, it's just right.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: The dogs like, no, right here, here's the spot because
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: the dog can't be like in the drop ceiling. But
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: the dogs and people look like, oh, there's nothing in.
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Here, you know.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: And so he's just talking about like knowing your dogs
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: so well that that you know what he's getting at.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you see it. It's a lot different,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: but you see it even with hunting dogs like bird
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: dogs when they like get Birdie and you're like, ah,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: there's nothing there, or you don't trust.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Or when your dog goes and sits by the door
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and you're like, he just went out, there's no where
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: he needs to take a shit again, and then five
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: minutes later you have a mess.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: Ted Turner died fourth largest landowner.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Just down the road here.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so depending on how his will worked his air,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it could be that who's number five.
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: It could be that, oh you're saying, if it gets
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: broken up somehow.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: He'll be number one Lando in America. Stan Kronki Sportsman channel,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Outdoor channel right, Stan Kronky number one land at two million,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: seven hundred thousand acres, The Emerson family two million, four
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: hundred and forty thousand acres, John Malone two million, two
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: hundred thousand acres. Ted Turner two million acres, The Reed
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: family one million, six hundred and fifteen thousand acres is
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: number five. So there could be a little disturbance. This
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: article just came out the other day. There could be
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: a little disturbance in the force here.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I was asking earlier. I want to know, like
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: if he's got because he's got you know, conservation minded,
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: whether you.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Like him or not, very controversial figure.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Whether he like had it written up so that land remains,
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know. As a conservation trust.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: There's no way it will not, because that was of
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: high priority to him. Controversial figure, had a lot of
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: lady troubles and whatnot, but a big conservationist.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: Ye.
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: When you're at Jordan Bud's place, you're looking over at
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: one of his properties.
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: I've never been there.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Have you never been to Jordan's her neighbor of the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: two million blankety blank acres the dude owns, some of
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: it is next to him, neighbors with him.
• 50:25
  Speaker 11: A couple of weekends ago, his bison herd was like
• 50:29
  Speaker 11: just right behind River Road. They were all hanging out,
• 50:32
  Speaker 11: pretty cute there, you know, hundreds of them.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Randall, Yeah, there's a story. It's been in the headlines
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: the past week or two. Idaho just spent about two
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: years working through one of the most comprehensive overhauls of
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: hunting technology regulation across the country. And so that's good.
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: Last month Governor Little signed HB nine thirty nine into law.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: And that all got started with a public process. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: think that started in twenty twenty four.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: With a.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Working group made up of hunters conservationists wildlife managers who
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: then produced a set of recommendations to the Fish and
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: Game Commission, and then that through a bunch of political
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: input and all this stuff, they decided that that needed
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: to be laws rather than just rags, I guess. So
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: the final law restricts drones, thermal imaging, night vision, and
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: transmitting cell cams for hunting and scouting big game and
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: upland birds from August thirtieth to December thirty first. Each
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: year there's a carve out for wolves and mountain lions,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: private and public. No, it's got just private or just
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: public right, I believe so. And so there's there's this
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: carve out for these technologies for predator management and for
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: recovery of wounded game. The interesting things is that this
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: working group, they were unanimous in their recommendations for drone restrictions,
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: and they were one vote short of unanimity for the
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: recommendations on thermal night vision and sell cams. So like that,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: they came to pretty strong conclusions all the stakeholders, and
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: then the end result is this bill. For one of
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: the interesting things is Idaho is one of the last
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: states to regulate thermals for hunting ungulates. You know, they
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: had obviously restrictions against hunting at night, but the best
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: of my knowledge, they you could still use a thermal
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: like at dawn or whatever to locate animals on the mountain.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: But that's now out drones. There's forty five of fifty
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: states already that have restrictions on drone use. And actually
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: the carve out for game recovery kind of puts Idaho
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and I guess you'd call it more of like a
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: liberal positioning compared to other states that don't allow drone recovery.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: Meaning you can put a thermal unit on a drone, yeah,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: and then go be like, well, I'm trying to find
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: the buck I lost.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: Right, And so one of the things with these technology bands,
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: when they have these carve outs, it comes down to
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: what you can prove in court and what the intentions are,
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: like as far as if a conservation officer runs across
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: someone flying a drone, did they wound a deer? Did
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: they see a deer and then not get a shot
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: and then use their drone to locate it?
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: The same thing for like the wolves. You know, if
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: if you come across someone who has a thermal in
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: their possession. They say they're wolf hunting. You know, as
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I understand it from talking to a former Idaho game
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: warden yesterday, you know, what you have to do as
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: a warden has sort of asked them questions, Oh, hey,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: how's it going, what are you doing?
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: You know, and and sort of make a circumstantial argument
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: about what they're using that thermal for based on where
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: they are, what time of year, what kind of equipment
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: they have, all that stuff.
• 54:12
  Speaker 6: But you know, it's good.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: I think that they're they're being proactive, even if on
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: some of this stuff they're a little late. But I
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: feel like as a hunting community there's been kind of
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: a need for some reconciliation around all these emergent technologies.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: And it's cool that the working group, I think too
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: was was hunters and all different stakeholders and they were
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: on the same page.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: They can't yeah, they had that. It wasn't a split
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: yeah down the middle.
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And I think too, like a lot of this stuff,
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: you know, when you when you look at the considerations
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: in terms of enforcement and whatever loopholes there are enforcing them,
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of it will come down to social pressure
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: and hunters sort of agreeing on what's fair chase and
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: what's not, And the fact that the working group was
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: on the same page I think bodes well for that.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, obviously, like if you look ten
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, the idea that you would have real
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: time camera traffic keeping track of wildlife and places is
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: sort of hard to fathom. Thermals have come a long way,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: drones have come a long way, obviously, so there's always
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: kind of a an arms race between enforcement and fair
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: chase principles and whatever technology is coming down the pipe.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So in Idaho, they they got they got together and
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: they came to agreement and they got it done.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: I've heard two interesting stories about one was told to
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: me about drone use for hunting. One was told to
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: me and one I read about. The one that was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: told me was a guy was saying that they were
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: using they would use drones. This isn't a drone legal state.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: What was a drone legal state? They would use a
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: drone to when they had a target. They would use
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: a thermal on a drone to find out where the
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: buck betted, which would influence how they set up on it,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: because once they knew where it was betted, in its
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: betting area, then they could pick where best to sit
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to spend the evening. So that's how they were using it.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: The article I was reading with some guys got busted
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: for tracking a deer with a drone, and reading the article,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: neighbors kept saying, these guys have that drone over that
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: buck all the time during hunting seasons, like a buck
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: that a bunch of people knew about when the game
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: warden came out. They were doing it. When the game
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: warden came out, Yeah, that was in a drone not
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: legal state, and they were cited and the game board
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: came out and sure enough, it's like there's a drone
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: over a wood lot, right, and they were like tracking
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the following this deer around to figure out where it was.
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's I mean, that's the funny thing is like,
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: if you have these carve outs for game recovery, and
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I understand you want to recover animals if you wound
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: them or whatever, but had the warden come out out
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: and seeing the drone flying, they could have just said, oh, yeah,
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: we just got a bad shot on a dough. It
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: just so happens there's this big buck in the area, right.
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: It's tricky man, like I usually have such certainty about
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: what I would do if I was emperor of the world,
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: Like I'm supportive of, for instance, I'm supportive of being
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: able to use a dog for recovery. Yeah, I don't
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: think that that's I don't think that that's really a
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: thing that's going to get abused, you know. I don't
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: think guys are going to be running deer with dogs
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: right in States was not allowed and pretending that they're
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: using a dog to track a wounded deer at night.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I just like it's that's not an issue. Yeah, I
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: don't believe. I'm very supportive of those rules where you
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: allow a guy to track a dog to track a
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: wounded deer or the dog man. I would have to
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: sit long and hard and think about my thoughts on
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: the drone recovery.
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what's like the main reason that they're doing this,
• 58:01
  Speaker 6: Like why do they think that they needed.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: To do this?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I think just I think just public pressure, you know,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: I think it's just a talking I think like there's
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of states where I was just at a
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: Boon and Crockett event last summer, and that was the
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: main topic of conversation with emergent technologies and fair chase.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, why not if you can, why not go to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: like a north face and slope and like go to
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: a north flace and slope and buzz a drone around
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: and be like, oh, the elk are bedded right there.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean like plenty of people canna do it.
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: I I already I already talked to guys, like even
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: guys I'm friendly with. I already talked to guys that
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: that's the elk hunting they start a lot earlier now
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: because they just thermal scan. They thermal scan in the morning.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: And any anything that tips the balance in terms of
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: efficacy then down the road is going to result result
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: in reduced opportunity.
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: Latvian's Latvian's all thermal scan.
• 58:58
  Speaker 5: In Latvia.
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yes, yeah, he says in Latvia you don't
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: like even start hunting, so you've done a thermal scan. Yeah,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: they like scan the area. I'd be like, no, next
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: bout I get it. I just that's why the Russians
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: don't like them.
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: No comment.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I was just waiting to read the room before I
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: said anything.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: There. Thank you, Randal, Yeah, is it okay? Segment? What
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't like, is you never really said, like, what
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: are the rules?
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Did? Did?
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: He? Like?
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: What are the rules?
• 59:48
  Speaker 5: Uh?
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Restricts, stone thermal imaging, night vision transmitting, trail cameras for
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: hunting and scouting big game and thirtieth December thirty First,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: it's a great job.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Thank you said it off top. I just got confused.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Well, I had it further down, but then I thought
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I should just get it out of the way up top.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Maybe I should have returned to the end.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: And saved it. No, because in classic journalism, all the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: main pertinent you load you top load it with the
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: main pertinent stuff, and then if you want like weird details,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: like if you're reading about a politician being in a
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: sex scandal and like they're sending bad text messages and
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: you're like, well, what was the text message? You'll often
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: find the actual substance of the text messages in the
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: end of the article, right because they're sort of like
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: most important to descending importance. So you wind up being like, well,
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: where's the part about what he wrote? And sometimes at
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the very bottom of the article what I would be like, well,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I just put that right up top, because that's what
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: every want. Yeah, everybody's wondering that, but they'd be like, well,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: that's of descending importance. So like traditional newspaper journalism, it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: like the main thing is here's the rules, here's the
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: new rules. And as you go down and be like,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: here's how they put the group together, and here's their fune.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 9: So these days they want you to scroll past as
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 9: many ads as possible to get to the thing you
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: want to see.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: I'm going to try to apply that in my segment.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: Do it. You're gonna go old school journalism or like
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: old school okay, yeah, uh, okay, go ahead, yanny, Oh
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: oh my turn? Yeah?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 5: Or I can?
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: I can? I can talk about my thing?
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 5: Oh I'll just wait. Yeah, I'm fine going.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: My dad sent us an article Michigan lawmakers made fun
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 6: last ditch effort to save whitefish. I was like, oh,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 6: that's interesting. Started digging into it. My god, those poor
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 6: white fish like bad, bad, bad bad.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: This is a two hundred and twenty five year old story,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: or so.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 6: Well, I don't know what caused the declines prior to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 6: the eighties, do you know?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 5: Oh, most please speak to that.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: The biggest, the most cataclysmic thing to happen to a
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: lot of these native Great Lakes specieses during the logging
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: era when they were making when they were booming all
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: of the logs. So when they came in and logged
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: the Great Lakes, yep, they would boom all those logs
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: out in the water and they would shed their bark,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: and so all the bays, the river mouths, the spawning
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: stuff was buried in sometimes ten feet of bark.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: Then later came industrial pollution.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: And that was a big early hit industrial pollutants, and
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: then the non natives.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: Right, so the non natives is kind of where I'm
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 5: going to pick up.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 6: Zebra muscles and quagga muscles both kind of came in
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: the same period of time eighties, mid eighties one quaga
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: muscles late eighties, I guess I mean back up. So
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: this last ditch effort that I read about, it's a
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: good website if everyone wants to read more. These guys
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 6: have really covered this for years now and done a
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 6: good job. It's called Bridge Michigan dot Com really really
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: did an excellent job covering all this stuff. But the
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: Michigan State sense is trying to get some money. An
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: appropriations bill was right now they just have like a
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 6: placeholder amount of like one hundred bucks, and like if
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 6: it goes through or it goes farther, they'll like actually
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 6: put a number to it, and something one number I
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 6: heard is like fifty million over the next ten years.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 5: So they're looking for a lot of money to to
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 5: do some research on this.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 6: Research and their idea of how to save them now,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 6: or at least part of it, because there's I guess
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 6: there's specific strains within the Great Lakes that are doing
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 6: worse than others, and they're thinking of actually taking them
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 6: out and then rearing them in hatcheries and then being
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 6: able to hold on to some stock to then be
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 6: able to repopulate the Great Lakes once the issue that
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 6: I'm going to tell you about now is taken care of,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: which is the muscles.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like a like a seed bank. Yeah, like the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: same way you'd put you'd store seeds in a cave,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: like the seed bank is in Norway. The Global seed.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 12: Bank sounds like good, good, but it's somewhere somewhere anyways
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 12: that you'd store these propagate and store these fish for later.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 6: So the muscles that are the big problem right now,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 6: they're One guy I talked to pretty much said that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 6: if it's not sand, and it's in less than fifty
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: feet of water, and here on or Michigan, it's probably
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 6: got a muscle on it, and not like a muscle,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 6: but covering like it's a coating of muscles. What these
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 6: muscles do is that they filter the entire volume of
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: lake here on Lake Michigan every two weeks.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: Geez, that's incredible.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 6: It's incredible to think of it that way, right, And
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 6: what they're doing when they're filtering, they're feeding on phidoplankton,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 6: and then all all the other little microorganisms that would
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 6: then eat fital plankton don't have anything to eat. So
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 6: you're basically cutting out the bottom of the food web
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 6: right or the bottom of the food chain, and stuff
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 6: just can't move forward from there, right So when so
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 6: the white fish have two issues with that. One is
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 6: if they're spawning grounds or these reefs where they like
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 6: to spawn, if they're covered in muscles, they can't spawn there.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 6: It just doesn't work. Then two, because this water is
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 6: filtered and somewhat clarified, it's brighter, right, and so the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 6: more sun gets down in there, and literally the young
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 6: fish when they're just little minnows on the beaches. They're
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 6: literally getting sunburns that kill them because they should have
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: a more turbid water, right the Great Lakes like even now,
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 6: I don't know if you've noticed it when the last
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 6: time you went to Lake Michigan, but last time I
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 6: was there a few years ago.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: It's a like a very stark difference in the clarity
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 5: compared to when we were.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: You know that all the yeah, like all the microscopic
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: food out. Then the sun penetrates more, causes more vegetation growth,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: the vegetation decomposes, makes the water oxygen poor. Some fish
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: are winters, like walleyes.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, some some fish are.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 6: It's uh, I think it's a little short sighted to
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 6: look at it that way that you know, I mean
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 6: that they're they're winning right now. It seems like it's
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 6: not something that's sustainable. That was a word that was
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 6: thrown a lot around the people that I talked to
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 6: that just like we they we have to start thinking
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 6: about sustainability if we have if we want to keep
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: this thing going.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: I often describe the Great Lakes as they have become
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: an experimental aquarium.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: Yes, as one fishery's biologist I talked to, he said,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 6: we're trying to basically manage an ocean m hm. Like
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: it's it's just it's a giant piece of it. So
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 6: it's very hard to do, is what I'm trying to say.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: You know what he was trying to say by saying that,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 6: is that it's just such a giant piece of water
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 6: and you're trying to manage it. And yes, in some
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 6: ways it's like an experiment, but I think that it's
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 6: like you can't really control the experiment.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 3: You also got like anglers who are way more interested
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: in walleye, small mouth, ass, salmon, steelhead, Yeah, whitefish at
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: this point right, like the sport fishing demand for whitefish,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: I think, even if they're around, probably wouldn't be that high.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those lakes, like if you go back, if you
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: go back to the eighteen hundred, seventeen hundreds, eighteen hundreds,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: the commercial fisheries in those lakes are things like huge
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: sturgeon commercial fishery, whitefish commercial fishery, like different ciscos and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: other white's driving the commercials fishery. And then the big
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: one lake trout what what what smoked the lake trout
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: was al wives coming in or sorry not elwives coming
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: in lamp Rais once lampreys made it over Niagara Falls. Boom.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: So it's just like things come in, they shuffle everything.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: They got that whole effort underway to keep the asiatic
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: carp species out of the great legs, like the Chicago
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: Sanitation Canal has an electric barrier yep to try to
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: keep those out if those jump.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's interesting because I think it was like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: a penny per dollar dollars spent on those carp one
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: penny is spent on trying to deal with the muscles.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: So it's just like, for whatever reason, it's not top
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 6: of mind because I don't know.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: How like short of like they're talking about so they're
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: talking about banking these whitefish species.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 5: This is just yeah, this is one idea.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like bank like bank them, And this is not
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: a new idea. You remember that Mike rule. He's a
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: fisheries mile just so he's gone in like they had
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: big in New Mexico, big forest fires where you have
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: unique strains of cutthroat, and when a big fire goes,
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: you know that when it rains, it's gonna send all
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: that silt and it's gonna kill the river. They have
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: gone in ahead of that occurrence to get strains of
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: cutthroats to basically just go hold them. Yeah, because you
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: know that you're gonna the whole river's gonna get nuked
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: by ash. Let the river clean up, let the vegetation
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: come back. With the thinking you could then put the
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: fish back, some of them back when the habitat comes back,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: or else you're gonna lose yet another river's worth of cuts.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: So I get the idea. It's like just genetic banking.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: But the part where I get skeptical and I don't
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: understand is I don't even know what the rough idea
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: would be to get muscles under control in the Great Lakes.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: Short of that someone develops a virus, are a pathogen,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: but that which is being discussed, but that trick doesn't
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: get played.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, playing god can go wrong.
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's already so many of the Great Lakes
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: problems are already come from people.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Being like, I got an idea, Yeah, let's introduce this
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: fish that'll eat that fish.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: The common carp. The common carp was intentionally introduced into
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: the Great Lakes when the other when the native fisheries collapsed,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: they were like maybe these guys want to eat carp
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: and they put them in on purpose, and then people
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: just never adopted it as a food source and now
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: they have a huge cart problem. Spend tons of money
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: trying to get rid of carp and there you can
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: get rid of carp with targeted poisoning. I don't and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe someone has sort of the basic
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: idea of what you do, but I just don't know
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: how you fix it. Well.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: A couple of the other things that they're that they're
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 6: testing and researching now as far as getting rid of
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: these muscles is one is a they're literally they have
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 6: a like they're developing these scraping machines that can will
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: literally go in and scrape these reefs clean to create
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: so that they hopefully can have habitat where these white
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: fish can do their spawning, scrape and crush. The other
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 6: thing that gets getting that's getting thrown out there and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 6: messed with, and they're researching if it works, is suffocating
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: the like going down in there with tarps and covering
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 6: you know, large areas with tarps because they produce carbon
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 6: dioxide and so if they can't get that fresh water
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 6: in there, it literally it sufffocates them.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: So like the headache can get when you fall asleep
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: down in your sleeping bag.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: I guess I haven't had that.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 6: I haven't had that.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I get like carbon dioxide poisons.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like I So I talked to some fishes Bolodis.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 6: I also talk to a guide that uh Pat Dirk
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 6: and and I or fish with when we did the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: for ice fishing tour, JJ Malvetz, and then the fish
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 6: processor Dan Lindahl, who's they're all in the same area,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 6: which is green Bay. Green Bay is like this like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: really weird stronghold where the rest of the lakes have
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: gone down something crazy. From two thousand to twenty four.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: They went from one point six million pounds in two
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: thousand this is like commercial catch of whitefish down to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: two hundred thousand and twenty twenty four. Well, in that
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: same time period, green Bay has gone from one hundred
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 6: thousand to eight hundred thousand.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: It's gone up.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: What do they attribute that to?
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 6: Well, green Bay has a ton of rivers flowing into it,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: the fox, the monominee, and so that is providing those
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 6: nutrients all that we need. So the fisher's biologist was like, yeah,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: we basically need to figure out how to either produce
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 6: that base level of the food web or how to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 6: you know, keep the you know, muscles from disrupting it.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: But that's what those fish need.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 6: That being said, it's even in Green Bay. It's like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: they're saying it's on the decline. And again I didn't
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: know how bad it was, but Dan was like whitefish
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 6: in the main lake in Maine Lake Michigan are all
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: but extinct.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, what an amazing fish to you, man,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: I used to love fishing those things, just like a
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: great eating fish, beautiful fish.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 3: I know place here we can go get them.
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: So he he is a commercial fisherman now is only
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: catching twenty percent of his quota JJ Malvitz. Where the
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 6: sports limit per day is ten, which is what it
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 6: was when Pat and I were there, he's now recommending
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 6: to clients like, look, they don't freeze all that well,
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 6: like take what you only need, like how about five,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 6: you know, instead of doing ten. So hopefully everybody was
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 6: kind of surprised that the DNR hatt and dropped, you
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 6: know limits over in Michigan. They had really dropped the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 6: commercial limits. But according to Danny's like a little bit
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 6: too little, too late, because he's like, there's no fish
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: to catch anyways, So dropping commercial limits is not going
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: to do anything at this point. But he wishes that
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 6: Wisconsin and especially in that Green Bay area, would you know,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: reduce harvests a little bit overall.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: The caviar on those fish for a while. I'm not
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: sure now, but I had some friends that were native fishermen,
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: and they were doing better on the caviar than the meat.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: You know what they call that cavear American gold. You
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: know they were exporting it. It's good man. Yeah, I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: had a whole tub of it. Man, we were dipping
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: cool ranch dridles into that stuff. I had that much
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, not no more.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 5: It's like a king.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: I know, we have stuff to get to. I had
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: breaking news though, to my mind, to turn his back alive.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: I clicked on this link that Yanni shared about the whitefish,
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: and I saw on the right hand column the next
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: article most read. It says after eighty nine years, Michigan
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Hunting and Fishing Group is done, And I thought, surely
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: it's not the conservation clubs. Yeah, they just they dissolved
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: on Monday I had no idea.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: That's oh, that's that's sad.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we met some of those guys when we were
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: in arbor.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's a while.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 6: I hopefully will end on some brighter news, but I don't.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 6: I asked everybody like, what do you what do you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 6: what can you do or what do you wish you
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 6: know people could do? And they and everybody kind of said, look,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 6: it's about showing that you care. So whether it's like
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 6: calling you know, your state. So if you're in Michigan,
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 6: you know you want to you know, tell your state
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 6: reps to uh, you know, past the funding. And I
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 6: think any great lake state just like talk about it
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: and make everybody know of this issue is uh. The
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 6: Fisher's Ball just said, there's a ton of people working
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 6: on it, Noah, USGS, tribes, all the state wildlife agencies
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 6: that touch the lake, a bunch of you universities and
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 6: so there's people out there working on it. And I
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 6: think that the more people know, hopefully the more they care.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: And I have a feeling that every federal agency you
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: just named, when the next budget process is done, they
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: will be just nothing but like a little smoke poof
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: and and uh, that money will be Maybe they'll fight
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: and keep some of it, but most of that money
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: will be stripped. I think you're these dudes, and these
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: dudes in DC right now, ain't get care. They're gonna
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: be like home at what whitefish? Screw that? Mm hmm.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 5: Got a word to fight instead?
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Clothes firsts bag baby. It's the third time I said
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: that this is okay, So big news here out of
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: the breaking news out of the Monteverde site in southern Chile.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Unexplained this whole thing or bad news for the Monteverde
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: site and Chile, depending on your perspective in March twenty
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: twenty six. So just recently, a guy that was on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the podcast for Todd Servil from the University of Wyoming.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: He's an archaeologist. He published a piece and that there
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: are two premiere scientific journals. The two premier scientific journals
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: are Nature in Science. Okay, they published in Science a
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: paper called a mid I'll interpret all this is. Don't
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: worry if this doesn't make any sense. A mid Holocene
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: age for Monteverde challenges the timeline of human colonization of
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: South America. All right, fills gonna pull up some images
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: for me. There is a site in Chile where they
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: have very good roast beef sandwiches with French cut green
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: beans on them. I recommend to anybody that gets down there.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: There's a site in Chile called Verde. We have a
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: map pulled up showing people it's down in. It's down
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: in Chilean Patagonia. It sits at the base of a
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: little peninsula coming out of the Pacific Ocean. So way,
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: like pay attention to all this way way way south
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: and South America getting to the point where you're as
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: far away from Siberia as you can get in the
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: western hemisphere. And we know that the first humans that
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: entered the new that entered North America, came through Siberia. This,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: this in my mind, is not a debatable point. No
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: serious person is debating this. There were Siberians that came in.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: So here we have we thought we had, or we
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: have one of the oldest known sites of human occupation,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: being as far away as you can get from where
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: they entered the continent. The southern tip of South America.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Monteverde has a bunch of sites, but there's one site
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: called Monteverde. Two we still look at a couple more pictures. Yeah,
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but Doug I put them in order.
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  Speaker 1: This is the Monteverde site. Okay, it's a creek bottom.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Looks fantastic.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: It's a lush creek bottom in Chilean Patagonia.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: How far is that from the ocean?
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Thirty six miles Okay, there's an overhead view. Looks like
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: a great place to hang out. Yeah, you could picture
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: getting some docks there. You could picture get some trout, turkeys,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: maybe not trout. They started digging this site in the
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: nineteen seventies and they found that there were tent structures
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: built there. The tent structures were wrapped in leather, meaning
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: that they were using leather cordage. They found some remains
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: of place to see megafauna, They found hearths where like
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: they found campfire sites. Okay. They dated it at fourteen thousand,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: five hundred years ago. Okay, which puts us at one thousand,
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: five hundred years earlier than Clovis sites.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: What's it before?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: What's the general like margin for error and that kind
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: of dating.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: Oh, there is one.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure what those margins, but that's outside.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: What's funny is the margins are the margins are flexible,
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: meaning there are areas there are eras where it's the
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: margin is wide, and there are areas where the margin
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: is close. But when you get a bunch of samples
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: and you date a whole bunch of samples, you get
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: tighter and tighter margins. So they were throwing dates here
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: one thousand, five hundred years earlier than Clovis sites. Now
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: Clovis sites. There are many Clovi sites from all over
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: the country. When I talked earlier about like the humans
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: that came into North America came out of Siberia, that's like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: that's scientifically established. No serious person argues that point. Another
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: point that no serious person is going to argue is
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: that there is a Clovis culture.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: He jumped my next picture, The next one I have
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: is just is the T shirt?
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, pull it up. Okay, here's one of our own
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: very own T shirts at me Eater. I was worn
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: this this weekend, the Clovis Hunter's T shirt. Those are
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Clovis projectile points. These Clovis projectaile points. Hell, let's go
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: to the next picture.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 8: Is that I think that that one didn't transfer Steves
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: at the hand.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: Next my it's my house.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah he was in the wrong photo format. Oh I can,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: I can bring it up a different way.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Then bring it up a different way. Hell yeah, I'll
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: keep talking. Sure, Clovis points have come from all over
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: the country. You got Clovis points from Washington State, you
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: got Clovis points coming out of Florida, you got Clovis
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: points coming out of New York.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: The Clovis culture was everywhere.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: That's a close, that's a that's a Clovis point hanging
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: on my wall in my house, drawn by an archaeologist,
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: and that was that's the actual size of that point.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: That is a honking Clovis point. Nice job Phil film
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: working in a bind over there. Now we know that
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: we have clovi sites all over the place, and there's
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: always been this this this leading debate and then and
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: like ice age archaeology and anthropology is did the Clovis
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: culture show up from somewhere or was the Clovis culture
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: an American born phenomenon? Meaning did Clovis hunters making these
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Clovis points, these big these like mammoth hunters. Did they
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: walk into the lower forty eight as like a people
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: with the technology with a hunting lifestyle, did they walk
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: in here as them and then explode across the continent.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: Or was there some trickling of people a long time
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: earlier that came into the continent and lived here for
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 1: two thousand years a thousand years, and out of that
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: culture emerged this widespread Clovis culture. Because after Clovis, you
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: see in the country, like Native American cultures after Clovis
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: split into all these different societies. But it's like this
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: idea that at a time across the whole country was
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: a culture of people that were unified in their technologies
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: and then over time they like evolved and split apart
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: and developed all these different ways of living. But at
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: a time there was like these big game hunters making
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: these big honkin points and they settled everything. Okay, this
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: debate is called like this debate would be was there
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: was it Clovis first or was there a pre Clovis culture?
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: And here's why this this Monteverde site's kind of interesting.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: Ask yourself, what are the odds that you found the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: actual oldest site ever? There's no way, right, there's no way.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: So if you find one that's fourteen five hundred years old,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: what are you missing? Right? Like we didn't find the
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: first one, and it wouldn't in the first one. The
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: oldest site wouldn't be as far away as you can
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: get from the entry point. Meaning if that is legit,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: what did we not know about in terms of who
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: was running around here and when did they get here?
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Can you jump to my Alaska images? Yeah, this is here.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 8: I am.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: This is a long time ago. I spent some time
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: up at what would have been the entry point. So
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: this is the Western Brooks Range. This is what would
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: have been the entry point to the first Americans as
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: they entered our continent, as they entered the western hemisphere.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: I'm standing with a French Canadian archaeologist and we're standing
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: in a tent ring. Okay, flip to the next image. Nope,
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: not man, had mel Campbell him. I'll get to him.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Here is this arrowhead hunting in the Western Bricks Range
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: is the best possible place to arrowhea hunt because there's
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: no one around to pick anything up. That's a that's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: a paleo point, just laying there. Look at that thing,
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: Look at that thing, and we would walk away. We
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: would walk away, go to mad mil Campbell. This is
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: our helicopter pilot. After I wrote about this. A private
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: investigator reached out to be trying to find that man.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 3: He's got some heavy he got some heavy bear ordinance there.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: It looks like, yeah, he didn't like bears. So I'd
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: be flying around with this dude that told his story.
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: But he they would take a cargo plane and kick
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: fuel drums out on parachutes because you're so far you
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: can't get a helicopter there. They'd kick fuel drums out
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: on parachutes and parachute field So we had fuel drums
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: here and there out on the tundra, and me and
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: that dude to land that helicopter and we get out
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: and roll those field drums back up to the you know,
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: and then hand pumped the gas into the helicopter. And
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: he was scared to get an attacked by a bear
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: while he was pumping gas. So that's why he carried that.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: It's like a rub super regga redhawk.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And the private investigator was like, I'm really
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: trying to find that man. Any idea what for I do?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: Don't care to get into it.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: We'll chat afterwards.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Of these pre Clovis sites, the archaeologist Todd Serrvil from
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: University of Wyoming. He has always been a little suspicious.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: Here he is in this studio saying, how how come
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: all of these really old crazy sights?
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: He said, He's explained to me they're always weird.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: Why can't anyone find one of these really old pre
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: Clovis sights that is just normal? I said to him,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: what is a normal site? Here he is back when
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: the walls were white.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: And they're normal.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and they're normal.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: It's not weird shit.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: It's like chipstone around hearth features, butchered animal bones.
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: It's normal stuff.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: And what we call distreet discrete stratigraphic levels, meaning they're
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: just like really clear occupations if you're to look through them.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: What he's saying is, so you heard them a normal site.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: You have hearth features, mean campfire features, So you got
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: datable charcoal stone where they're making arrowheads or spear points.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: You got animal bones. And he's saying, you have layers
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: that are not disturbed. If you go back to that
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: site that I just had from the Western Brooks Range,
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: you're looking at a tent ring, like you can see
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: the tent ring. Okay, so you have a fairly undisturbed
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: like that's not all buckled under five feet of ground
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: and it's been washed away by a river. Right that
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: surface right there is like a clean surface that hasn't
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: been jostled around. So what he's talking about is he
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: wants sites where that hasn't been disturbed. You have stratigraphic layers,
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: all right. He went down to this MASA site, the
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: Monteveriti is not the MASA sites in Western Brooks, Rane. Sorry,
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: they just went down and applied a bunch of new
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: dating technologies that guess down to the monte Verde site.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: Guess what dates he's come back with. And this is
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: advanced techniques.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: Published in Science twenty thousand years.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: No, No, he's coming back saying it's not a normal site.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: It's a messed up site. You got a bunch of
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: stuff all mixed up his dates for Monteverity. And I
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: want to back up a point I didn't make about Monteverde.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: We had one of the leading are the one of
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: the leading anthropologists on the peopling of the Americans is
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: a guy named David Meltzer, and I love him, God
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: bless you, David Meltzer. Meltzer went down with other people
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: down to the Monteverde site, and these scientific community put
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: their like stamp of approval on Monteverde. Your kid's history
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: books may have been rewritten based on the Monteverde dates.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: Can I ask, is there the people that believe it's
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 3: that old? Is there exclamation a Kelp Highway theory?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: That they great point? I should have brought this up.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: I meant to bring that. I think I had my
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: notes by skipped it. If you've ever heard us talk
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: about or people talk about a thing called the Kelp Highway,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: here's what people are talking about. Humans. If humans were
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: here fourteen five hundred years ago, down in southern Chile
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: fourteen thousan five hundred years ago, they couldn't have walked
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: in because their path would have been blocked by glaciers.
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: You could have been in the Brooks Range, you could
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: have been up and you could have crossed from Siberia
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: and entered Alaska, but you could not have walked south
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: because you would have been blocked by glaciers. So then
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: people had to go like, but they were here because Monteverde,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: so we know they were here. Since we know they
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: were here, how did they get here? They had to
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: have taken boats. How could they have survived? Well, the Kelp,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: the band of Kelp, and these inner coastal marine environments
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: were so rich in fish and shellfish. The people up
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: in Japan and the illusions in Siberia would have built boats,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: and they must have just boded the shoreline, and they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: were up against shorelines that were glaciated. But somehow they
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: were out and they were able to survive off marine
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: resources and make their way south of the ice sheets,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: because we know they were there, because we have these
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: really old sites. The Clovis first idea was people showed
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: up the minute the glaciers melted and they walked in.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: Basically there was a thing called the ice free corridor.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: So the theory goes, there was an ice free corridor.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: People came down from Alaska, entered the Great Plains right
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: around Edmonton, Alberta, through a narrow opening in the glaciers,
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: and spilled onto the Great Plains rained hell on megafauna
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: killed all the mammoths, spread around the whole country instantaneously,
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 1: the richest hunting ground ever discovered by man gradually split
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: apart into all these different cultures and languages, and that's
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: how the story went. But sites like Monteveritate shot at
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: all to hell, and then it entered this idea. They
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 1: must have boded down well, this new thing, and I'm
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: that way. I'm done weighing in on this whole thing.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to deliver the facts, or I'm just
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: trying to deliver the debate. I'm done weighing in on it.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: I bought into Clovis first, I bought into the Kelp Highway.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Now I'm done. I don't have any opinions this new crew.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: And it wasn't just the University of Wyoming, people from
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: Chile all over the place, four two hundred. They're saying
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: that site isn't fourteen to five, it's forty two to
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: eighty two. And it's all mixed up. It's all mixed up.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was just churned up. I had a
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: great I thought of it this morning. I was out
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: turning over part of my garden. Okay, I got the
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: old dirt, I put down compost, I put down grass clippings,
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: and in the spring I turn it. So if you
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: were to go down and dig down twelve inches down
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: in my garden and be like, ha, look at this
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: piece of grass clipping it's as old as this other
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: stuff laying next to it. Is it or did it
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: get turned over the course of thousands of years it
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: got turned floods or whatever flooding, And then imagine that
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: there's a flood and it washes stuff that doesn't belong
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: there into there. Also when you get into like when
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: you get into it, and I'm doing any archaeologist would
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: would hate everything I'm saying. I'm just trying to demonstrate
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: some points. I'm not an expert in the field, but
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 1: picture that out in your yard. You're digging around in
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: your garden and you find some old bone land there
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: and you're like, huh, look at that, and you deposit
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: it on the ground. And then later someone comes and
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: finds your gardening area. They find your skin cells all
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: over and they're like, good god, this man had a mammoth.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: Here's the mammoth bone right next to his garden tool.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: And then they date the mammoth bone. Good god, he
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: was using a steel gardening tool fourteen thousand years.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: Ago and a cell phone.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 1: Meaning stuff just gets mixed up. So in this paper
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: they put out in explaining some of the things, there
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: is an idea that I don't know. Maybe it was reworking.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: People probably picked up fossils, Like if you were alive
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: eight thousand years ago, would you have thought a mammoth
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: fossil was interesting and brought it home with you? M
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe I don't know.
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: It's like when I find a beer bottle from the
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: sixties or seventies.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: Or an old thirty six shell.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I found a really old beer one time. It drank it,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: remember that, Ye honest, I got sick.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: It wasn't quite that old I drank.
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: It was the rolling out of a bank.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: I drank a white claw that was unopened at the
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: range clean up last year. You guys are growing terrible,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: terrible mistake.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: Did you get sick?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: I didn't finish it, sonyheah, it happened Clovis first might
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: be back.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: That's what these guys. If you go back and listen
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: to that episode, these guys were like I in terms
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: of people coming here fourteen thousand, fifteen thousand, sixteen thousand
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: years ago, they're like, uh, just generally paraphrasing a very
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: complicated conversation. They're generally like, show me a normal site.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: It's really old, Show me a great site. Why do
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: we have so many great Clovis sites and everything older is.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Wishy washy.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: Or weird?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: Now, I mean, I feel like they have some explanations
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 6: for that, just because the older stuff is the more.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: Likely it's you know, I'm sure it's very complicent.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: Time is rough on stuff, very common.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the older it is, the less likely it's still around.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: But why do you see such an explosion of sites
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: at thirteen thousand all of a sudden, It's like, I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, why are there tons of thirteen thousand year
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: old Clovis sites? But no one can show me a
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: normal fifteen thousand year old site when there's normal thirteen
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: thousand year old sites all over. This is the last
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: point if forget to make it. This picture of us
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: stand a by his tent ring. I was invited here
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: by a pre Clovis enthusiast named Tony Baker, invited me
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: on this Bureau of Land Management survey cultural survey. He
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: volunteers for this, and he was He spent a good
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: part of his career. He retired as an oil executive
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: and became obsessed with pre Clovis. He became obsessed with
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: who really were the first Americans? So he was always
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: interested in finding. He thought that someone up here was
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: going to find, you know, a twenty five thousand year
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: old site, a thirty thousand year old site, something really old,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: because it stands to reason, wouldn't the oldest stuff be
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: closest to where you entered the continent? Picture your kids
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: come in the room with muddy shoes. Where's most of
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the mud?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: Mm hmm at the door.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: It's imperfect analogy. That's all clothes first. Back, baby, I
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm done having opinions about it. Well, I've been burning times.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: To chase the headlines.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: I'm too global. I was a big Kelp Highway guy,
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: like a fool.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: But but why can't it be that the Kelp Highway
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 3: existed and the other one, like you know what I mean.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 1: The Kelp Highway without really old sites, the Kelp Highway
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: becomes a lot less interesting.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just saying, like, couldn't have happened concurrently, Not
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: that it happened way before, but that the same thing
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: that some of them went through the middle of the
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 3: continent and some of them went down.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 5: The coast.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Yanni before we started recording, was all excited about a
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: woman being the first to win a race. Some race.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, Okay, there's a thing about being first. I'm
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: interested who was the first if.
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 10: It was a tie, just like Yanni and Brody, was.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: The first American? And it was probably a little cluster
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: it was it was it. I'm gonna go and say so,
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say a thing that I know to be true.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: It was not one hundred people, little family group. It
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: was thirty, twenty thirty the first Americans. It was twenty
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: or thirty people. They walked in killing mammoths, or they
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: boted in eating clams.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Should we all be so lucky someday?
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: I gotta know, I gotta know you gonna have to
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: wait for that time machine to get built.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I want to be with them when they do it.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I want to be like you boys don't even appreciate this.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: We just crossed into America. Let's crack a champagne.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: They didn't know they crossed anywhere.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, this is the last point I'll make about
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: the peopling of the Americas. Generations generations would have been
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: born and died in what is now the Baring Sea
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: and not known they were going anywhere. Yep, right, you
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: were born there, you died. Maybe you died two hundred
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: miles east or east southeast of where you were born.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe because you're always curious, like what's over the next hill, right,
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: but you weren't, like, Bob, let's go to America. I
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: just got a feeling they were just being like, it's
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: always better hunting when we go kind of that way
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: because over there, like he's like, just watch, if we
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: go to the next valley, you watch if there's something there,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: I be back and walk up and stab it. But
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: in our valley she keeps running away because we've been
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: here for two years.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Let's go over there.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 1: He's like, sure enough, look watch, I'll walk up and
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: stab it. Bob and then and and like that, like
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: that people found chilean Patagonia.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 13: Mm hmm.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: Because it's always better over that direction.
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: Somebody probably said, my dad told me, if you go
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: to the next valley, you can kill more stuff.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: Like you know what Dad always said, Yeah, if you
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: can't kill anything, go aways south southeast.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: He says, it's always better.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: Dad's right. Thanks for joining the news show.
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: We're not doing the wildlife crossings. Oh skipped right over me. No,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: I thought you were with me or something.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: I skipped it.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, I want to get you skipped it way
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 3: back before, be honest, went that's why I was caught off.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Oh I was there twice.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I didn't mean to do that.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 3: So jump in now. Yeah right, it's not the end
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: of the show, guys.
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: No, we'll clean it up. The colobs versus back baby.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: Yep. The headline is world's largest wildlife highway bridge crossing
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: in California is nearly complete. That's not where I'm going
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: to start. That's the recent headline. If you jump back
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 3: to the nineteen nineties, scientists identified Liberty Canyon in western
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles County is a critical wildlife corridor that linked
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: the Santa Monica Mountains to other other ranges. A couple
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 3: of decades pass and there's a lot of concern over
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: habitat fragmentation, especially concerning mountain lions. And this is something
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: we've talked about in the past. The mountain lions in
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: Los Angeles County, southern California.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: Just pulled up that iconic image, that mountain line on
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: the Hollywood Sign.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: A lot of problems. One of the huge problems was
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 3: they're getting hit by cars a lot, and in this
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: particular spot is like pinch Point and Liberty Canyon. Three
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand vehicles daily go through this canyon on Highway
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 3: one oh one.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Yep, my god, yeah, considering a lot of those are
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: going through twice there in back.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 3: Sure, but it's a lot, and it's uh, it's several
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: lanes on each side the highway there. So this idea
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 3: starts to germinate about a wildlife overpass, which is kind
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: of like when the idea of wildlife overpasses really started
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: getting popular all over the place. And the reason you
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: build these things are habitat connectivity, because interstates are like
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: walls basically to a lot of wildlife.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Sometimes literally because you got a fence on each side
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: and you got a barrier down the center.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Another reason is critical, uh to maintain critical
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: migration quarters. Like we've talked about the Hoback to red
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 3: desert mule deer migration in western Wyoming, and I'll circle
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: back to that, but that's that's an example where wildlife
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: overpasses have been used. And then obviously it's it's to
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: reduce roadkill mortality. So this idea kind of germinates, and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 3: the concept evolves into a large vegetated overpass spanning Liberty
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: Canyon on US one oh one and the Agura Hills,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: which is western Los Angeles County, I believe. And so
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 3: the idea comes and then bang, some major private funding
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 3: kicks in which was just going to allow the construction
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: of this overpass and that construct That money came from
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: the Annenberg Foundation mostly and some other private partners. So
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: April twenty two, on Earth Day, groundbreaking begins on the
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 3: Wallace Annenberg Wildlife Crossing. A couple of years go by,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: there's like heavy structural work going on. Millions of pounds
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: of concrete gets poured, the deck of the bridge gets
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: built over ten lanes of the highway, and the expected
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 3: completion is, wow, twenty twenty five.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: How big is that sucker? Side to side.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'll get I'll get there. So a couple
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 3: of years go by, their building building, building, expected completion
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: is twenty twenty five to early twenty twenty six. So
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty five was a final construction phase which was
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: you know what you see there, like habitat shaping and
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: soil placements, things like native vegetation, a million local seeds
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: were planted and it's described as the world's wildlife largest
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: wildlife crossing, which we'll we'll get to that and again
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: again as far as se steve two hundred and ten
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: feet long, one hundred and seventy feet wide, largest of
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 3: its kind globally. You can see that it's made to
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: like look natural, not just like a dirt bridge eight acres. Wow,
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 3: that looked like acre eight acres?
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Is it not done with it?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah? The species that they believe it will support will
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: be mountain lions, deer, coyotes, bobcats, reptiles, says birds, Well,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: I guess some birds.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So anyway, they're building and in twenty twenty five,
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 3: as as happens with construction projects, there starts to be
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: delays and cost overruns. There was flooding that delayed it, inflation, labor,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: supply chain stuff. So the budget goes up by about
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: twenty one million dollars to one hundred and fourteen million
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 3: dollars total. What one hundred and fourteen million dollars from
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: what well went Oh, it got to one hundred and
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: fourteen million with a twenty one million dollar overrun. Okay,
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: so it was whatever. Round ninety was the original budget.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: So this year it's nearing completion and wildlife are already
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 3: appearing on the bridge, pollinators and reptiles, birds, things like that.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: The planned opening is now December second, twenty twenty six,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: so you know, six or seven months from now. It's
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: developed a little controversy throughout the years as it's been built,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: and it it was coined the Bridge to Nowhere by
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 3: some right wing media and politicians.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Stealing that term from the bridge in ketch Kan, Alaska
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: that would have connected the town to the area.
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of bridges, a lot. But yeah, but
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 3: this is like cost delays, like time overrun, cost overrun,
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: and the fact that it's not critical. This is a
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: a a detail that kind of tells you a lot.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: I think about the attitude towards wildlife, which is it's
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: not critical infrastructure that benefits people. But the thing is
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 3: is most of the money came from private and philanph
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: and filanthropic funding, so it's not like the taxpayers are
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: on the hook for the cost of this thing. So
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: Sure why it's in some people's minds, including some friends
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: of mine. It's become like in their mind, emblematic of
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: everything wrong with California, right sure, And you know which,
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  Speaker 1: And I think because they look at the amount of money,
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  Speaker 1: they look at that you're you're basically connecting to over developed, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: pieces of a habitat that are beyond repair.
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  Speaker 3: For a handful of mountain lions.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they point that it wouldn't happen if it wasn't
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  Speaker 1: for this, would like it's it's happening because of the
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  Speaker 1: mountain lions. Yeah, all of which that doesn't row me up.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If people want to spend their money making giant overpasses
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  Speaker 1: for wildlife, I'm like, great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And we're gonna talk about some other ones
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  Speaker 3: the until this one is finished. The in Colorado, there's
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  Speaker 3: one called the I twenty five Greenland Wildlife Overpass.
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  Speaker 5: Do we have that pill? That's it there?
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  Speaker 3: That was nice film that was completed last year and
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  Speaker 3: they were calling that one the largest in the world
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  Speaker 3: for a little while. But that one is completed in
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  Speaker 3: use I twenty five just south of Denver. So again,
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  Speaker 3: probably hundreds of thousands of vehicles a day and already
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  Speaker 3: thousands of animals crossings of and recorded there significant drop
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  Speaker 3: and collisions really yep, or if you could trap that,
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  Speaker 3: I don't think people are allowed on those.
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  Speaker 1: Kids can't string snares on those trails and see what
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  Speaker 1: comes through.
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  Speaker 3: Another real, real famous one is the bamp Wildlife Crossing System.
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  Speaker 5: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And this is they have like forty of these things
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  Speaker 3: and it's overpasses and underpasses, eighty ninety reduction wildlife collisions
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  Speaker 3: there really yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Over how many miles of road?
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  Speaker 5: Though?
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  Speaker 1: Well, like over that patch of road.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm I'm sure it's with forty crossings. It's
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  Speaker 3: miles and miles and miles there.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not they made forty of those.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the BAMF area.
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  Speaker 5: Damn.
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  Speaker 3: So like these things work, they're becoming more popular and
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  Speaker 3: uh like for a comparison, I wanted to show like
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  Speaker 3: actual numbers for reductions and roadkill. There's there's there's a
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  Speaker 3: Seriannis might remember these. There's a Highway nine between Breckenridge,
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  Speaker 3: Colorado and Kremlin, Colorado. About ten to fifteen years ago
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  Speaker 3: they started building a series of overpasses there. Can you
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  Speaker 3: pull those up phill nice.
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  Speaker 1: And you can pull up the seconds kicking ass man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's there's a cool one. This was like a
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  Speaker 3: real bad spot for particularly for mule deer mortality in
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  Speaker 3: the winter, but also elk, a lot of car crashes,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of animals getting killed. So within five years
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  Speaker 3: of these wildlife overpasses being completed, reduced vehicle, mule deer
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  Speaker 3: and elk collisions by ninety over a ten mile stretch.
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  Speaker 3: Really wow, crashes from over thirty annually to nearly zero.
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  Speaker 3: No kid prevented hundreds of potential collisions and effectively reduced
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  Speaker 3: carcass counts by wow.
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  Speaker 1: We should do. I don't want to have an essay contest,
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  Speaker 1: but a bullet pointed email contest.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: If you hate if you're one of the people that
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  Speaker 1: hates well overpast and you think it demonstrates everything that's
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  Speaker 1: wrong with the world, send us a bullet pointed email
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  Speaker 1: and we'll have a contest. Yes, who can have the
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  Speaker 1: best bullet pointed email? That's so that it better explains
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  Speaker 1: why it's so bad to have wildlife yep crossing.
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  Speaker 3: Before before you said that that was bullet pointed emails.
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  Speaker 3: Watch this video going back to these previous ones. UH
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  Speaker 3: crossing structure. The structures will cross more than forty five
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  Speaker 3: thousand times by elk, moose, black bears, mountain lions and
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  Speaker 3: other species. Do you have that video? So this is
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  Speaker 3: this is a video from a wildlife crossing in Utah,
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  Speaker 3: and I wish we could fast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't like how they decorated it. Yeah, this one,
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  Speaker 1: this one kind of you know, I would have done
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  Speaker 1: it way different than that.
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  Speaker 3: I can script through it looks you start like if
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  Speaker 3: you start, this is one wildlife crossing.
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  Speaker 1: Pine squirrel, moose.
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  Speaker 13: Porcine, out cougar, some kind of ground squirrel, round squirrel,
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  Speaker 13: little baby mule deer.
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  Speaker 1: And it did a terrible job decorating it.
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  Speaker 3: But still, I mean, like the things getting used.
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  Speaker 1: I think it looks like if you gave your kid
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  Speaker 1: an aquarium and he puts some sticks and rocks in there.
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  Speaker 1: Just I'm not buying it. The animals obviously, ever, was
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  Speaker 1: a coyote cutting through there, black bear cutting through there.
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  Speaker 3: So you get the picture, like this one small overpass
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  Speaker 3: it and you bobcat could back up cottontail.
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  Speaker 5: What is it?
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  Speaker 1: That's not a pika? But I saw is he carrying something?
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  Speaker 3: Something?
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  Speaker 1: He's carrying some ship he found dead on the road.
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  Speaker 3: The road and carried it out.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, look at that thing.
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  Speaker 2: You get the picture? Yeah, there's a damn A former
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  Speaker 2: colleague of mine of tears, there's another bear. Daylight Hours
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  Speaker 2: is on the Colorado Wildlife and Transportation Alliance. He's a
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  Speaker 2: co chair of it, and he actually sent me a
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  Speaker 2: video a couple of months ago that I watched they
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  Speaker 2: have on YouTube that explains how effective these are and
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  Speaker 2: the need for additional funding.
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  Speaker 1: Back up, Brody missed something important. Watch something spooks this
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  Speaker 1: bear here he's going, he sees it. He stands up
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  Speaker 1: and he's the.
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  Speaker 3: Other bigger bear on the other side of the bridge.
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  Speaker 1: Is it? I don't know, saying he winded, Yannie, Oh nope,
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  Speaker 1: he's going back ground blind. He changed his mind.
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  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of dig into one and find out.
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  Speaker 1: Why does it bring so much right wing hatred about
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  Speaker 1: wildlife crossings?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think it's what you
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  Speaker 3: said is very true. It's just like a reaction to
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  Speaker 3: something going on in California, right, It's just like that's
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  Speaker 3: that's the.
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  Speaker 1: Added Just like a money thing too, you know.
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  Speaker 3: But if some private donor wants to kick down one
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  Speaker 3: hundred million of their own money, like.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, yeah, wildlife costs money. Yeah, it costs money.
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  Speaker 4: To have.
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  Speaker 1: In world history. It was like we had wild places
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  Speaker 1: because we hadn't gotten around to destroying them all yet.
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  Speaker 1: And now we have wild places because we've tried to
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  Speaker 1: have them.
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  Speaker 2: Yep, it's just switched. It's switched.
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  Speaker 1: You have them now because you're willing to make sacrifices
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  Speaker 1: for him. You used to have them because everybody was lucky.
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  Speaker 1: Now you have them because you try hard.
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  Speaker 3: There we go. That's the news folks.
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  Speaker 1: Good job, Brody. That's the hell of it. Hell of
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  Speaker 1: a deal there. I want to go and redo that. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's all what it said. The animals obviously like that.
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  Speaker 3: Steve wants to drop tag for that one. Yeah, for
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: that wildlife crossing.
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  Speaker 1: I drew the eye forty tag.
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  Speaker 2: Weapons are restricted.
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  Speaker 1: All right, thanks to joining the news show. I know
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  Speaker 1: it was a long one, ladies and gentlemen, but that's
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  Speaker 1: how it goes