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Patriots Unfiltered 3/10: Reported Signings/Releases/Trades, NFL Trade Buzz, Best Available Free Agents · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium, and there is nothing free about free agency.
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you. It's uh. Things are happening around the league.
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  Speaker 2: It's not. I wouldn't say this is one of the
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  Speaker 2: biggest free agencies that we've seen around the league in
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  Speaker 2: terms of star power. But there's a lot of activity
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  Speaker 2: going on. There's a lot of trades going on. Even
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots had three signings, which you know, not huge names,
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  Speaker 2: but one of them intrigues me the most. And we'll
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  Speaker 2: get into all of that. It's Evan, it's Paul, it's Deuce,
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  Speaker 2: it's Alex in the booth with Matt somewhere, and Matt's
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  Speaker 7: There he is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's get right into it. Patriots of three
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  Speaker 2: free agents, Yeah, who are they and what can they
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  Speaker 2: do for this team?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna start with Elijah Vera Tucker. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's my signing, yeah, of the day. And it goes
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  Speaker 1: back to what Evan said a couple of weeks ago, saying,
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  Speaker 1: let's sign a left guard. The signs that were all
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  Speaker 1: pointing to that when they traded Bradbury, and I think
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  Speaker 1: we're all waiting with baited breath yesterday for them to
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  Speaker 1: sign that left guard. And then it happened. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about eleven o'clock last night. There's a car crash outside.
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  Speaker 1: But I really like this signing. To me, this is
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  Speaker 1: what free agency is about. There's a gamble, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: He's he's been.
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  Speaker 1: Injured three of his five seasons, tore both tricep tendons
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  Speaker 1: kill a way, but the you know, the Achilles was
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, so you would think that
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  Speaker 1: his legs should be okay. But he's a top guard
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  Speaker 1: if he's healthy. This is a slam dunk move at
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  Speaker 1: twenty six. I always bang the drum for free agents
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  Speaker 1: at twenty six. I know there's a risk involved, but
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  Speaker 1: if it works out, it's easy to see exactly how
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  Speaker 1: he fits in, how he helps the Patriots get better
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  Speaker 1: al on the office.
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  Speaker 2: And I think you've got now good depth there with
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  Speaker 2: Ben Brown a little bit, you know, so we've got
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  Speaker 2: some depth there at left guard all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean, and you know worth pointing out
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  Speaker 1: Michael when used a free agent next year.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know how that's gonna work out. Maybe they do.
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  Speaker 1: Extend him, but if not, that's also a position of
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  Speaker 1: long term need. Also with just highlight Vera, Tucker's played
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  Speaker 1: on right tackle, he's played right guard.
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  Speaker 7: He's played a few different spots.
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  Speaker 1: They don't need him to do that, but it's always
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  Speaker 1: nice to know that a guy has.
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  Speaker 2: That kind of experience.
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  Speaker 4: He kind of is a right guard. Yeah, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I'm a part as a rookie. I'm with Mike. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he's bossed around. He's played position versatility as well. But
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  Speaker 4: I agree with Evans, you know, guard theory. From the
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  Speaker 4: moment that we started talking about this a couple of
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  Speaker 4: weeks ago. I think the biggest takeaway from me is
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  Speaker 4: if he pencils in at left guard, he makes Will
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  Speaker 4: Campbell and Jared Wilson or Ben Brown. If Ben Brown
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  Speaker 4: ends up being the center, I think it'll be Wilson.
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  Speaker 4: But I think he makes those two guys better, So
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  Speaker 4: I really like it. Mike's right, he'll be twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: in June. Obviously there's a risk. That's why there's there
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  Speaker 4: were no sure things in free agency. Mike, you did
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  Speaker 4: a great job of sort of setting the table.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he played fifteen games last year.
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  Speaker 4: Now, right right before, he's played twenty three of a
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  Speaker 4: possible eighty five games.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's his career for sure. I think that right now,
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  Speaker 5: there's sort of a hollow feeling to their free agency
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  Speaker 5: because they haven't added a weapon on offense, and until
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  Speaker 5: they go out there and make a splash on the
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  Speaker 5: receiver market, it's not going to feel complete. It's not
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  Speaker 5: going to feel before.
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  Speaker 2: We get into what they haven't done yet. Let's talk
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  Speaker 2: about what they have now. Let's talk about the.
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  Speaker 5: We got to be honest about.
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  Speaker 2: We will get to that, but I want to talk
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  Speaker 2: about who they've signed first.
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting there.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get out. Let's get that out of the way.
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  Speaker 5: I'm getting there. I just got to be objective.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to talk about it. Don't worry.
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  Speaker 5: We will get it said, like we're talking about guards
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  Speaker 5: and fullbacks. But Elijah Vera Tucker is a really good
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  Speaker 5: player when he's healthy, and you know that that's exactly
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  Speaker 5: the number one thing. We all have to put that
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  Speaker 5: caveat on it. But he's a really good player when
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  Speaker 5: he's healthy. And I think one of the more optimistic
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  Speaker 5: things about it is is just an obvious thing to do. Like,
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  Speaker 5: Jared Wilson's a center. He's built like a center, played
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  Speaker 5: center in college. When they drafted him, Eliot Wolf came
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  Speaker 5: out and said, we view him as a center. And
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  Speaker 5: it's just nice to have a front office and a
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  Speaker 5: coaching staff that's aligned on big picture visions of players
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  Speaker 5: and how things look. So they did a common sense thing.
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  Speaker 5: They moved on from Garrett Bradbury, who you know, had
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  Speaker 5: a nice season for them, but it was short time,
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  Speaker 5: not a long time with him too. They moved Jared
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  Speaker 5: Wilson presumably inside the center, and they signed a starting
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  Speaker 5: caliber left guard like that. It's nice to have that again,
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  Speaker 5: where we're just doing the obvious, common sense things and
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  Speaker 5: we're not trying to go outside the box or rethink things,
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  Speaker 5: or you know, go and sign like a six million
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  Speaker 5: dollar guard that retires in training camp or something like that. Like, no,
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  Speaker 5: you got yourself a legit player here that obviously you know,
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  Speaker 5: has some injury concern For me.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was willing to give up the thirty first
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  Speaker 2: pick for a good guard. I don't need to do
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  Speaker 2: that now. I don't think I can maybe use that
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  Speaker 2: pick on another position.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, potentially it's you know.
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  Speaker 1: I just like we talked a lot about the veteran
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  Speaker 1: guards and you know, those guys in their early thirties.
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  Speaker 1: If it worked out, maybe you get a good season
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  Speaker 1: out of them, but you always know that this player
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  Speaker 1: is probably going to decline and you know, if not
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  Speaker 1: this year, in the coming years. Where as this one, yes,
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  Speaker 1: there's a risk, but if you hit it out of
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  Speaker 1: the park, it's not like, well we'll get it one
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  Speaker 1: good year out of him. You might get three to
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  Speaker 1: four good years out of him. So I'm excited about that.
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  Speaker 9: One.
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  Speaker 1: Second one I would highlight was just Draymont Jones thinking
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  Speaker 1: a lot about that one. I think what confused everybody
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  Speaker 1: was that he's listed at to eighty and everyone's like, wait,
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  Speaker 1: what is he a side married he's too eighty. But
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  Speaker 1: you know, we were all kind of talking about it.
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  Speaker 1: But I kind of see this move as kind of
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  Speaker 1: a Harold Landry insurance move. And I know that that
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  Speaker 1: they paid him a good contract that it wasn't you know,
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  Speaker 1: it was in need. So you know, Evan said guard
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  Speaker 1: I said, edge were positions we wanted to see them
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  Speaker 1: hit out.
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  Speaker 2: Of the gate.
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  Speaker 1: Jeriman Jones has been you know, he hasn't been like
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  Speaker 1: a full time player, but he's always think his first
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  Speaker 1: year at three and a half sacks. Otherwise he's always
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  Speaker 1: had four more sacks. Like he's out there and he's
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  Speaker 1: fairly productive. But I still see edge as a big need.
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  Speaker 1: I almost see them needing three guys because I don't
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  Speaker 1: know what to expect from Haro Landry.
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  Speaker 7: Chase On still out there.
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  Speaker 1: You could still resign him and then I think that's
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  Speaker 1: a good complimentary move. But I see this as kind
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  Speaker 1: of an insurance that if Harol Landry can't come back,
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  Speaker 1: then he's going to be that guy who usually plays
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  Speaker 1: on the left side, is a little bit more stout
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  Speaker 1: against the run. He's not, you know, gonna blitz the edge.
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  Speaker 1: He's not going to be firing off the ball. He's
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  Speaker 1: more of a power kind of a guy.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't look at this one as fulfilling anything. Really.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like, we like this guy, he's available, the
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  Speaker 2: price is right, let's put him on our right and
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna have to fill out a fifty three man roster.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm great. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 4: I still they paid them more money than the price
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  Speaker 4: is right. I mean, I but I think point about
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  Speaker 4: Chase On, like, I love this move. If they resigned
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  Speaker 4: Chase On, yeah yeah, or somebody you know, somebody else now,
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  Speaker 4: a lot of those sort of there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of depth at that spot, you know, and it was
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  Speaker 4: Jalen Phillips and Trey Hendrickson at the top. Jalen Phillips
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  Speaker 4: obviously signed for big money. Hendrickson's still out there, but
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  Speaker 4: I don't really look at him as I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 4: they'll surprise us. Yeah, But a lot of those secondary guys,
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  Speaker 4: they all went yesterday, you know, all of ala EV's guys.
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  Speaker 4: Oh wait, Mafe Quitty pay you know what I mean too,
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  Speaker 4: all the all the four letter last day guys, all
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  Speaker 4: for big, big money.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I couldn't believe the contract. Oh wait, got yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I think it goes back to what I was getting at.
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  Speaker 5: Its just when you get to the draft, you don't
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  Speaker 5: want to have to reach on positions of need where
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  Speaker 5: you have these glaring holes on the roster that forced
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  Speaker 5: you in, Especially at a spot like thirty one where
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  Speaker 5: the talent is already going to start to be falling
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  Speaker 5: off a little bit. You don't want to get to
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  Speaker 5: the draft and say we don't have a starting edge rusher,
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  Speaker 5: So like we have to draft right an edge rusher here.
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  Speaker 5: Draymond Jones is a guy that can play a high
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  Speaker 5: volume of snaps. He's a decent pass rusher, you know,
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  Speaker 5: above average, I would say in that regard, more of
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  Speaker 5: like a power bull rusher, but has some quickness, especially
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  Speaker 5: when he rushes a little bit more on the inside.
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  Speaker 5: Which I think is an interesting kind of wrinkle that
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  Speaker 5: separates him from some of the other guys that they
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  Speaker 5: had last year is that if you want to move
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  Speaker 5: him and have him rush over the guard on third down,
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  Speaker 5: he can do that a little bit more than what
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  Speaker 5: like Landry and Chase on have done in their history.
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  Speaker 5: So he has a little bit more versatility, I would say,
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  Speaker 5: a little bit more play strength, a little bit more size.
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  Speaker 2: How was he holding the edge?
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  Speaker 5: Not so hot, But I would say that their system
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  Speaker 5: that's not been something that they have prioritized a ton
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  Speaker 5: with their edge rushers because they kind of scheme it
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  Speaker 5: up a little bit differently than how they did in
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  Speaker 5: the past. We're not boxing as much. You know, they
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  Speaker 5: were spilling.
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  Speaker 4: You know, I know people are going to look at
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  Speaker 4: the Super Bowl and laugh at this comment that I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to make But to Evan's point, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: that they held the edge very well last year, and
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  Speaker 4: they had an outstanding run defense for the balance of
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  Speaker 4: the season. Now in the Super Bowl it didn't work
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  Speaker 4: out that way, but for the you know, during the
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  Speaker 4: regular season, they were what top three run defense.
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  Speaker 5: BECAU want their edges to more get up the field
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  Speaker 5: and get that penetration and then string the ball outside.
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  Speaker 5: So it kind of looks like to the naked eye
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  Speaker 5: that they're giving up the edge, but they're kind of
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  Speaker 5: purposely giving up the edge and they want to kind
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  Speaker 5: of string the guy out towards the sideline and then
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  Speaker 5: they have their linebackers and safeties kind of flow inside
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  Speaker 5: there to kind of get him, you know, into the sideline.
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  Speaker 5: More So, they just kind of do it a little
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  Speaker 5: bit differently for the most part in terms of their
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  Speaker 5: run defense. So they really want guys that get off
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  Speaker 5: the ball, that get into the backfield, that can then pockets,
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  Speaker 5: that can run picks and stunts and things like that.
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  Speaker 5: That's Draymond Jones's game, That's all the different things that
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  Speaker 5: he does.
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  Speaker 4: And real quick they they wanted this guy at the
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  Speaker 4: trade deadline last year. Well, there was I shouldn't say
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  Speaker 4: they wanted. There was reports that they had a lot
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  Speaker 4: of interest in him when he was in Tennessee and
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  Speaker 4: they tried to acquire him, and that was one of
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  Speaker 4: the I don't know if you remember this, Freddy, but
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  Speaker 4: there was a kind of reports that Tennessee with Amy
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  Speaker 4: Adams Trunk did not want to deal with Mike Grable
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  Speaker 4: and he ended up going to Baltimore instead. So there
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  Speaker 4: was some interest in this player. Eventually they they were
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  Speaker 4: able to get him.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So for your fans of the full back, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: Patriots have one now party part of your Yeah, we're helping.
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  Speaker 1: We're helping to grease the skids a little bit, only
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  Speaker 1: on the window closing.
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  Speaker 4: But that's probably the nail in the coffin.
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  Speaker 5: No, I mean my favorite signing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll let you I'll let you ax pay it.
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  Speaker 1: I just set it up and say, if you're going
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  Speaker 1: to run a full back that much, go.
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  Speaker 7: Get a real full back. This guy's a real full back.
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  Speaker 1: And anytime you can get a guy that clearly the
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  Speaker 1: Bills valued and really liked. I know there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of clips popping up of the players talking about how
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  Speaker 1: important he was to that offense. He was the primary
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  Speaker 1: push pusher of Josh Allen, So I just I like
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  Speaker 1: to have Josh likes the full back. If you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it, you got a real I was.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of Bills fans on X were upset that
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  Speaker 2: they got rid of him. A lot of fans liked him.
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  Speaker 1: That might be the most athletic guy on the roster.
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  Speaker 5: He's fantastic. I mean he's he's a point of attack,
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  Speaker 5: but he can also move. It's a little bit more
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  Speaker 5: athletic than some of the fullbacks that the Patriots have had,
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  Speaker 5: like a Yakub Johnson or a James Devlin. He's guy
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  Speaker 5: that can get out in space and lead block, you
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  Speaker 5: know up to the second level, kick guys out, you know,
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  Speaker 5: do the whole gamut of blocks that you could possibly
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  Speaker 5: ask for a fullback. Like he's a little less of
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  Speaker 5: a sledgehammer, I would say than those guys were, but like,
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  Speaker 5: definitely more athletic and can move a lot better in space.
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  Speaker 5: He was featured a lot in their zone schemes. You know,
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  Speaker 5: they ran a lot of zone schemes. But I think
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  Speaker 5: the biggest thing that you see with him on the
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  Speaker 5: field is they averaged almost nine yards per pass attempt
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  Speaker 5: with him on the field because they're showing you run formation,
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  Speaker 5: They're showing you all this run action, and then they're
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  Speaker 5: play actioning off of all of this, and there's just
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  Speaker 5: wide open receivers all over the film from them kind
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  Speaker 5: of using that full back in the backfield with James
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  Speaker 5: Cook behind him, and we're coming at you. Josh Allen's
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  Speaker 5: under center. All of a sudden, he's keeping the ball
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  Speaker 5: and now we're bombing it down the field over your
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  Speaker 5: ear hole.
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  Speaker 7: I'm just sorry I would jumped in.
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  Speaker 1: I just I was interested because we've talked a lot
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  Speaker 1: about the Bills and how they've kind of evolved to
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  Speaker 1: more under center stuff, and I just wonder Gilliam was
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  Speaker 1: a part of that. Now you take Gilliam out of that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, just to me, it continues to point toward
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  Speaker 1: the Bills. It just continues piling things on Josh Allen
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  Speaker 1: more for you to do more. I mean, I know
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  Speaker 1: they signed Dawson Knox today, but I think it's a
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  Speaker 1: loss for the Bills.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, He's he's fun to watch, you know, He's he
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  Speaker 5: is more one of those guys that kind of like
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  Speaker 5: builds up ahead of steam. With his speed and then
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  Speaker 5: kind of has that initial pop that he generates off
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  Speaker 5: of that. He's really really I mean, this is really
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  Speaker 5: gonna drive Paul nuts. He's a fantastic kickoff return blocker.
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  Speaker 5: And the Bills had they had a great kick maybe
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  Speaker 5: the number one unit in the league on kickoff returns.
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  Speaker 5: And a big reason why is because you know, Gilliam
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  Speaker 5: was a weapon, Like they would literally use him in
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  Speaker 5: different blocking schemes as a lead blocker to open up
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  Speaker 5: holes for Ray Davis on kickoff return. So he's a
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  Speaker 5: big time special teamer, a big time blocker in the
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  Speaker 5: run game verse. Sill can play a little bit on
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  Speaker 5: the wing or off, you know, on the line of
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  Speaker 5: scrimmage as well as in the backfield. Uh. It will
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  Speaker 5: be a fun piece for Josh McDaniel's introduce his point.
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  Speaker 5: If you're going to be like a thirty percent full
• 14:11
  Speaker 5: back team, then you might as well have a great
• 14:13
  Speaker 5: full back, like if you're gonna do it that often.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: So you have numbers real quick, Freddie, I'm sorry, do
• 14:19
  Speaker 4: you have the numbers for Patriots under center last year? Shotgun? Yeah,
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: I mean there's.
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: About forty percent center last year.
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: So do you think that that number will rise.
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: No, No, I think that their usage of two back
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: personnel specifically will rise, probably about five or six percent.
• 14:36
  Speaker 5: You know. McDaniels in twenty two with Vegas and then
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: twenty one with the Patriots is right around twenty eight
• 14:42
  Speaker 5: percent two back formation. Last year the Patriots are about
• 14:45
  Speaker 5: twenty two percent full back, you know, two back formation.
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so the fullbacks wasn't good. I am going to
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: switch like that. I mean, I know, I'm being nitpicky.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: Like they also used Henderson and Stevenson a lot, which
• 14:57
  Speaker 4: I think is a different two back set than what
• 14:59
  Speaker 4: we're talking.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about I'm talking about not that's out
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: of the shotgun, and I'm not talking about pony. I'm
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: talking about backs. Yeah, with the full back, I.
• 15:09
  Speaker 4: Would expect that to rise over what they did this
• 15:11
  Speaker 4: year with Westover.
• 15:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: Did I read correctly that they tendered west Over?
• 15:17
  Speaker 5: They did, but he was a exclusive rights agent, which
• 15:21
  Speaker 5: is like not a ton of guaranteed money.
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah, are you surprised after bringing in that
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: fullback that they did that or a tiny bit?
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: But I think west Over is really more of a
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: tight end anyway, So I yeah.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Not anything like guaranteed or anything like if he doesn't
• 15:36
  Speaker 4: make the team, he doesn't make the team.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: But you got Broccolipi coming back too, So I mean
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: you do have a few guys on the roster right
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: now that can play.
• 15:41
  Speaker 7: Maybe that's a redundant.
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Just one other point I wanted to make, like, have
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: you pointed out the specific areas where Gillian can improve?
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: And I thought short yardage was an area too that
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: he could help that I didn't think was a strength
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: last year. I think he really struggled, especially do on
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the goal line, you know, some of those if.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: That might be his biggest impact. I think he was
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: excellent at that with with Josh Allen, and I think
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: he can how Drake May do it.
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: I mean Drake May He's not the best sneaker, no, no,
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: so he could use somebody in front of him, just
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: kind of making a dent behind him put that target.
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: But yeah, they were I want to say I wrote
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: it in the film. I think they were eighty five
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: percent successful on sneaks last year Buffalo, which was top
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: five in the league. The Patriots were like middle of
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: the pack, seventy something on sneak. So it was a
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: it was a noticeable difference just in terms of success rate,
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: and Gillian would get behind him and push them across
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: the line.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: I had a couple in the playoffs that were yeah,
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: scored from right.
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So he's he's a beast.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So that's the three three pickups, common
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: sense pickups. I would call him nothing, no big splashes,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: although I do like the left guard. If he can
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: stay healthy, I think we've splash. That's that's that's in
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: my opinion, helping Drake may Yah. Know absolutely again, we're
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: not there yet, but it's it's a step, but there's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: a there's a high reward if it works out, and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: I like making moves like that on players that have talent.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: You know, this guy is no question. Was he fourteenth
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: overall in the twenty one draft. I mean he can play,
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: and everybody that says when he's out there playing, he's
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: a really, really good.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: And another one of goes way back a little bit.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: But it's another one the reports, if you believe all
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: the reports, this is the guy the Patriots wanted in
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: that draft, and the Jets traded up ahead of the
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: Patriots and in stole them and they ended up taking.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: And Mac Jones Mac Johns.
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, yeah, he played the fourteenth pick in
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: the twenty one draft and the Patriots ended up There
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: was a lot of people who were pretty convinced that
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: Belichick was going to take this guy.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, so now Evan, sorry, time for
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you gripes.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: No I have gripes. I just it's incomplete, Like oh yeah,
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: yet it's just incomplete, that's all. And you know, the
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Alec Piers thing was was a bummer, but at the
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: same time, only one team could get him, and he
• 18:00
  Speaker 5: ended up going back to his own team.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: So making him the highest wide receiver in history.
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: Uh, incorrect, that's what I read.
• 18:08
  Speaker 5: No, No, he was.
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: He's making Chase.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's making like twenty nine a million a year
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: made for the Colts. But yeah, they think they got
• 18:18
  Speaker 5: I mean he signed it at like eleven fifty. He
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: didn't even really technically hit the open market at all.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: So, I but I think that right now, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: you're looking at that being the most glaring need on
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: the team by a mile, Like they need to get
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: more weaponry around Drake May. Yeah. I think that if
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: you had season started tomorrow, it's the same thing that
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: we said earlier, like Elijah Veritucker slides in nicely at
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: left guard. Draymond Jones can be a starting edge like
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: they have starters at a lot of those different spots.
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: The one spot that you're really looking at that is
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: concerning right now is wide receiver. They just don't have
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: enough talent there. Yeah, high in talent.
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: They've lost the player, I mean, just the simple math
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: of it.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, and we should probably mention. I don't know, Mike,
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: if you have the list in front of you, but
• 19:03
  Speaker 4: the Patriots did. There was a handful of guys that
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: that will not be back. Kyris Tonga is one July
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: and they released. But Tonga signed with Kansas City for
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: three years, so there's I mean, I think Draymont Jones
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: could be part of that equation. I think they probably
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: like some of the young depth that they sort of
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: cultivated with Joshua Farmer and Corey Durdin, you know, those
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: kinds of guys. Even the guy who the name escapes
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: me that blocked the field, Leonard Taylor. Leonard Taylor. So
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: they probably feel okay with that. I think they made
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: a run to get Tonga done before the end of
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: the season. Didn't work out. But you know, selfishly, I
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: liked the guy. I was a little disappointed to see
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: him go. I thought he did a nice job for
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: him last year. Not one that's gonna well, you know
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: who they really missed this year, you know, Kyrie's Tonga.
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think we're gonna be saying that
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: at the end of the season. But yeah, I thought
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: he did a good job last year.
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean the draft.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Especially before the injuries started to pile up on Alex.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: I guess rap sheet's wrong because the Indian As Colts
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: and Pierce have agreed to a historic four year, one
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: hundred and fourteen million dollar deal, making him the highest
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: paid wide receiver free agent wide receiver in NFL history. Okay,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: hit the.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Free free agent I see, even though like he whatever,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: it technically didn't hit the free agent market, so I
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: don't know how he was.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Oh I like that too. He signed with his own team,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: so he's actually no different than the other. Yeah, so
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: that's wrong all the way across the board.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: But his agent told him, right, that's funny. Anyways.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Now, I wasn't too broken up with Tonga. It just
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, no, it is what it is. I agree
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: with Paul's point, and I think there's a lot of
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: those guys in the draft. You can find it two
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: down three hundred and twenty to three hundred and thirty pounds.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they tackle kind of off the street
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: last year.
• 20:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I do. I do think it's a need.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Like I think they're gonna have to get a big
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: dude who weighs about three thirty somehow. But got Tonga
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: last year. He was on five teams and six years.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's round six rounds.
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: The guy they got this year is this is going
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: to be a fifteen and eight years. So I just
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: look at it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: It's like they literally had to make Tonga a full
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: back because they didn't have a full back. Yeah that
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: could block and so you know it just that's the
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: way I was looking at Tongue. I'm with Douce on
• 21:21
  Speaker 5: nose tackles, especially a draft like this, there's like the
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: only nose tackles you.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Got four six round picks. You can find a three
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: hundred and twenty pounds.
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: There's literally this is this draft is the not the
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: draft for you if you need a nose tackle, because
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: literally every defensive tackle in this draft is is that
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: kind of coo?
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Well, so Austin Hooper, Yeah, turned Atlanta yep, lot to
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: uh San Francisco as well.
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: Uh but yeah, I don't know. I'm not really all
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: that torn up yet.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm definitely still wide receiver position for sure.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: But that always was probably going to be a trade, you.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Know, there was, And I think there's more than just
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: a J. Brown. I think there's some Crys Thomas Thomas,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: you know, like, I don't know. Yeah, we'll see, but
• 22:07
  Speaker 4: I think there's some guys available. What do you think
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: to hold up because A J.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Brown is still out there and it's not just the Patriots.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: I think the Patriots are waiting to see if they
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: could get the price down. And I mean I thinks
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: are holding tight.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: But do you think that What's Howie Roseman thinks that.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm playing tough right now, but I gotta
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: get I got to move this guy because I can't
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: have them.
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: I think that's the golden question.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think you don't think so you don't think
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: that a J. Brown will you know, kind of be
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: disgruntled defeat doesn't get traded.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: But like what would change over the last two years.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Well now it's come. Yeah, now it's even more. You know,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: there's a team that he wants to go to and
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: maybe other teams, and this guy is making a price
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: that it's just unreasonable and I want to leave. Let
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: me leave.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: Well, I think he wants to leave, but I don't
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: really think anything has changed in that regard for the
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: last two years, and they've been able to win despite it.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: So if I were Howie Roseman, I would stick tight
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: to what I think is the value. Now there's an
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: argument to be made that he's being irrational with what
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: he thinks is the value. I'm not suggesting that. I'm
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: not an expert on trade compensation. Maybe what he's looking
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: for is too much. Maybe they're not serious about trading them,
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know, or.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Maybe the June first thing is the biggest thing. So
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: they if they trade him before June first, it's like
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: a forty million dollar dead cap hit. They trade them
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: after June first, they can split up the dead cap
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: over two seasons, so it kind of cuts it in
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: half on how it hits their books this year. So
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: to trade him right now, I think you really need
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: to blow the Eagles out of the water to get
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: them to eat that kind of money on their cap,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: Whereas if you wait a little bit longer, you might
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: be able to get them down a little bit. But
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: then you start to get into the whole twenty twenty
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: seven draft thing, and that becomes a factor. The way
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: some people, I think it's overblown. But the way some
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: people are talking about the twenty twenty seven draft, especially
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: the first round of the twenty twenty seven draft, is
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: like it's going to be a historically great wide receiver draft.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith obviously the prize at the top, but if
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: you're a team like the Patriots that might have a
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: tiny little bit of concern of regression to the mean
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: that you're not going to be picking thirty one in
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty seven. Dealing your twenty twenty seven first round
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: pick is like dealing, you know, in precious jeans.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I hope they're not thinking that way too much, because
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: if you have a good player that you want, don't
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: be thinking about twenty twenty seven. You know. Maybe Roseman's
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: part of his thinking is if I have to keep
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: the guy, I can at least tell him, listen, the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: reason you didn't go is because I put a high
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: value on you. I value you. I don't want to
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: let you go unless somebody blows me out of the
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: water because I think highly of your skill level and
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: maybe that.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: Appiece that's simple as that. I'm not just going to
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: give you away.
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I get it. I have to. I have
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: to admit though, I I've.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: Loved AJ Brown for a long time, but as I
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: kind of like got down the road a little bit
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: and was watching him lately, like I would still very
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: much like him. But I don't know if I be
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: as disappointed now as I might have been a month ago.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I'll be disappointed if they don't get a receipt.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, no, I will too, and I would, and I'd
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: say edge again and and tight end.
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: You know what's the plan. A tight end is a
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: spot where I think they.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: Could all available too, you know, not just the trades,
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: but Joeku and you know, my my Romeo Dobs thing
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: is still out there. You know, Juwan Jennings is another
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: wide receiver's still out there. So there are regular free agents.
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily saying they're going to be a J
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: Brown's or you know that caliber of player. Stefan Diggs
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: is still available. I mean, who knows.
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was thinking about that last night with Fred.
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: I was like, if they if the musical chair stop
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: and Diggs doesn't have a chair and the Patriots don't
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: have a chair, is this just meant to be?
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: Like are they just a marriage that's meant to be Checkers?
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: But with aj Brown, I think you have to get
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: your head around that he's maybe a little bit of
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: a different player kind of like so where like I
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: don't know if he's the downfield receiver that he once
• 26:04
  Speaker 5: was anymore, where he's you know, really a third level separator.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: He does a little bit on double moves, but not
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: like purely just running by guys anymore. But he's now
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: turned into like a much better possession like catch and
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: run receiver, where like Philly didn't really use him particularly well,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I would say last year, like if you can you
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: move him around more, basically put him in the role
• 26:27
  Speaker 5: that Diggs was in. Like I think that at this
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: point in this chapter, he's like kind of more that
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: guy than he is you know, only average like twelve
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: yards per target last year in terms of air yards,
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: Like it's not a downfield you know, Alec Pierce type
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: of receiver anymore. That's not the type of guy you're getting,
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: but that's kind of the kind of the guy they need,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Like they need to replace Diggs, and I think aj
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: Brown at this stage is kind of replacing Diggs.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: And I do feel that was a pretty dysfunctional passing
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: game very much, so, you know, so much so that
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: the guy he was a one and done as a
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: coordinator they moved on I think down here too. Yeah,
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, I for whatever it was, whether it was
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: scheme related, I know Hurts gets a lot of the
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: blame for the sort of malaise in the locker room.
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: I guess, you know, he rubs a lot of people
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: the wrong way, But just overall, I thought there was
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: a dysfunction to the passing game that was apparent when
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: you watch them play. It was like AJ Brown would
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: complain or you know, not even complain loudly. He would
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: sulk and be upset. In the next game, it'd be
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: like eleven targets in the first half, Like it was
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: so blatantly obvious. What yeah, you know, reactions were. So
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: I do have some faith that in a better system
• 27:42
  Speaker 4: with Josh and you know, maybe a more polished passer
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: shall we say with Drake May that you might see
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: a little bit more of the old AJ Brown as
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: opposed to what we saw last year.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: I just loved the idea of moving him around, Like
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: I think Philly really glued him to the boundary and
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: it basically was like a slant or it was a
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: go route and there is no in between of what
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: they were kind of running with him, the little glimpses
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: of him running routes out of the slot, running routes
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: over the middle of the field, Like I feel like
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: that's the area that they didn't probably because it hurts.
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: He doesn't like to really throw the intermediate middle too much.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: It's not an area that he throws a ton. Drake
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: May throws that area maybe more than any quarterback in
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: the league. So having somebody like that with Drake May
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: would be would be really good. But I still think
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: that you would need speed, Like I still think you're
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: kind of missing that sort of dimensionalist Kyle Williams really
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: takes a leap and becomes that guy, you still don't
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: have a whole lot of downfield speed, which is I
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: think what happened in Philly, Like I think Philly kind
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: of got bogged down where everything was kind of within
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: twenty yards the line of scrimmage.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's kind of what I was seeing, and
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: that's you know, and that's when Paul brings up Brian
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Thomas Junior. I know there's some risk with him, but yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: that explosiveness and that dynamic ability where a J.
• 28:55
  Speaker 7: Brown's a really strong player.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: He's smart, he's savvy, he knows how to box out
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: on those little slants. But you know, is he pulling
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: away from people. He's probably more gonna plow over people
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: than pull away from people at this point.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, what do you think of the price the Ravens
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: paid for Max Crosby? Oh?
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: Two first rounders?
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Too much?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean too first and the third right or
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: It's too I think it was two first. I think
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: it was too much. Like the Patriots, I don't know
• 29:20
  Speaker 5: how they could have gotten there, because they also they
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: got the fourteenth overall pick this year in the draft
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: and the first in twenty twenty seven. So the Patriots
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: first round pick this year is thirty one. So like
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: you're talking about having to add a lot on top
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: to try to get there. So I think that's why
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: the Patriots bout.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Out the Ravens like all in like kissed about twenty
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: twenty five and we're better than that and we're gonna
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: win it in twenty twenty six.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, we'll see. I mean, they're obviously changing their
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: coaching staff. You know, I saw a Lohai Gilman sign
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: with I think the Chiefs, so.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: He was They've I believe they've lost seven free agents,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: are there?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: I mean they had no pass rush last year, so
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I mean you talk about that's why they brought in Jones,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: you know, to try to sparkd at. She sacked Drake
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: me for both teams he played for. But I don't
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: know how it comes back together. It feels like they
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: kind of blew it up a little bit. They brought
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: in Crosby. No question, Kyle Hamilton's a really talented player,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: but again like they had to bring in a third
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: safety to kind of make him maximize, you know, wrote
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Rokwan Smith.
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: Is he still the same level? We'll see, We'll see.
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I ultimately it just kind of probably comes
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: down to Lamar and what level is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Tough because they they're top half of the roster, like
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: their top five guys are as good as anybody in
• 30:29
  Speaker 5: the NFL, like Lamar Jackson, Kyle Hamilton, Max Crosby, like
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: those are some heavy, heavy hitters. But now they don't
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: have first round picks, and they've lost a lot of
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: their depth this offseason with guys that have left in
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: free agency, So like, how do you go about kind
• 30:44
  Speaker 5: of the middle class thing? Right, Like, how do you
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: go about supplementing the roster with depth? Because I'll put
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: their top five against anybody's top five, like they have
• 30:53
  Speaker 5: that good top end talent, but I don't know about
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: the depth on the ruck.
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: I like the trade, but I am what Evan's talking about,
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Mike's talking about, to me is relevant because if they're
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: going to just do this cheap owner thing and just say, well,
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: we made that trade so now we can't resign any
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of our guys and we're going to let the roster deteriorate,
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: then to me, it's treading water. It's a great player
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: that you get. I don't think two first round picks
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: is out of the you know, I don't don't listen,
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: it's a lot. I'm not telling you that two first
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: round picks isn't a lot. But that's what great players cost.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I mean, Micah Parson's a little younger. But you just saw,
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: you know what Green Bay was willing to give up.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: This is a difference making player. But if you're just
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: going to let everybody go and say, well, we have
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: to pay this because it's not an exorbitant contract either,
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's just a regular contract.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: So I think it's a good trade. The individual transaction,
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I would say, is a good trade for both teams.
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: I think it's a good trade for Baltimore. But I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: not sure, you know, it's going to end up being
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: as good for them as they think, because they're just
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: going to let like the you know, the Lin Bombs
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and the Gilman's and you know all these other guys.
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: Just watched Charlie Kohler. They lost their blocking tight end.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: Charlie Kohler, Isaiah Likely. You know, you lose two tight ends,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: you know, for a team that uses multiple tight ends
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: Now they are a great drafting team, yep, and they have.
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: A great drafting developed.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Now they don't, but they don't have a first round pick.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: David Main writes, and it says, you guys are nuts.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Patriots fans can talk themselves into anything. They cut their
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: best receiver with seemingly no real plan. Be Diggs was
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: the go to guy for Drake and that's hard to replace.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Even if Diggs took a step back next year, I
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: still think you'd be their best receiver. I know twenty
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: million buys a lot of fullbacks, but they need to
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: avoid giving Drake may the mac Jones treatment. I hope
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: they make a trade for a star wide receiver because
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: as of right now, this building team is worse than
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: the year before.
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just going to speak for myself. I didn't like
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: the decision to cut Digs without anybody to replace him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: If it ends up being that, I will not like it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: So I don't know. Like we talked about Digs last
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: week when the word came out that he I have
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: no problem moving on from him, but I need someone
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: at least as good as him, and I personally need
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: something else in addition to that, I need someone who's
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: as good as Digs plus something else. Yeah, is what
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: I would like for the wide receiver, court or past.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: That's why I said what I said off the top
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: of the show. Like it just it feels incomplete right now,
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: like until they get that move done in some capacity,
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: and I get it. I get it from a fan
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: perspective that if they wait to pick it at thirty one, like,
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: you're not going to feel great about that because of
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: their history. Whether that's fair or not to Mike Rabel
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: who hasn't been here or not, the honest truth is
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: is that they haven't hit on a wide receiver ever really,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: so like, yeah, that's it's on the.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Other end of that, Barton Poland says, we have an
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: incredibly overreacting fan base. Let's not let the last year
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: fool us. Good teams usually don't build through free agency.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: Players hit free agency for a reason more often than not.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Fore agency is for filling holes, adding depth, and occasionally
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: making a splash signing, not for building an entire roster overnight.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: But apparently because we didn't sign Alec Pierce for forty
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: million a year or trade five first round picks for
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson in the first three hours of free agency,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: were suddenly doomed and might as well not even show
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: up for the season, trade Drake May and start the
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: arch madness movement.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I is twenty nine.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: They get more enjoyment out of like last year when
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: they signed a bunch of guys and everybody was having
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl parade at this on Tuesday of free agency.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: And this year they kind of did what you know,
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: usually teams do, plug some holes. They haven't made any
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: big moves yet, but you know, now we're we're on
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the other end of the roller coaster.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: So yeah, and I think I do think that there's
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: some truth to what Bart was saying with the fan base,
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: but I did not sense there being like a tremendous
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: amount of gloom and doom. I think people are disappointed
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: and underwhelmed so far, but I think coming off the
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Super Bowl, in all the work it did last year,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: I think has mitigated that a little bit. I don't know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: maybe you guys seen more than I.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: I mean, obviously, the hysteria on Twitter is not really
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: the best barometer of, you know, how the fan base
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: really feels. It's a very specific group of people, but
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: this all stems back for most people until they sign
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: a wide receiver or trade for a wide receiver. This
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: is how a lot of people are gonna feel. Yeah,
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: and like what are there? I agree with Bart, Like
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: I said before, Left Guard was in need, Edge was
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: in need. Full back was maybe a smaller need, but
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: still a need, but especially at edge and left guard.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Like now, when you're sitting at thirty one, you don't
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: need to take the eighth best edge rusher because you
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: don't have any edge rushers. Now you have guys that
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: are NFL caliber players. Draymond Jones, Anthony Jennings, maybe Elijah Ponder,
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: Harold Landry, like those guys can at least play for you,
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: and you can be relatively good defensively with those guys
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: out there. That's how they've gotten themselves into trouble in
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: the past is when they get to the draft and
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: they just have a glaring hole on the depth chart
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: where it's like, we have to draft this position right now,
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: that's probably wide receiver. And so if they trade for somebody,
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: then they have nothing, and then you get there and
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: you pick what's available at thirty one.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: H Morgan in Vermont, Margan says, I have two points,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: and I'll hang up and listen. Am I in the
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: twilight zone. Everywhere I look, people are going crazy for this.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Draymond Jones signing. He's thirty years old and has averaged
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: twenty five tackles in around four STAPs a year. I
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: don't get the hype. I guess I'm fine with him
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: as a rotational player, but I really hate this signing.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: If it's him over Chase On, how much are they
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: planning and getting key starters from the draft again this year?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: All I'm seeing is more and more holes being created
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: on this roster and no really solid signing to a
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: dress holes we have besides full back, Apparently we've got
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: three of those stop releasing players. Elliott Well, I Well
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: left Guard I think is a good signing.
• 36:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, the digs app like created a need for sure.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: But you know, I agree with what he's saying about
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: about Jones, and I hope that I didn't hype him
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: up too much.
• 37:02
  Speaker 7: I felt like he's part of a rotation.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: But I still think you need Chase On and I'd
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: still love to grab one of these rookies and then
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: you see what happens with Landry. You've got four kind
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: of guys with a rookie and Elijah Ponder to see
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: what he comes back. So really it's you know, five
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: guys that you're looking at for three spots that are going.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: To play if they if they, because like the email,
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: are like I'm just gonna like sacks and tackles for
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: edg rushers. It's like we we we have better ways
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: to look at it now, right, Like if you look
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: at pass rush win weight pressure rate, like him and
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: Chase On are even. I think they're pretty much even
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: in sacks too, if you take out Chaseon's playoff performance,
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: which obviously was four games extra that he played.
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: At seven, right, Yeah, like you know, right around seven
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: sacks I think last year seven and seven seven I think,
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: and I think Chason had seven and a half.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So like we're talking about guys that were both
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: right around seven sacks, right around fifty pressures during the
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: regular season. So like they're kind of the same guy.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: Like I was looking at all these lists, yes, and
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: it's like a lot of them are like Draymond Jones
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: is like player X, and then Chase On's right above
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: or below him, Like it's right in the same ballpark.
• 38:09
  Speaker 5: So if it's if they are not going to resign
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: Chase On, let's just say and Draymond Jones and Chase
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: On are kind of one for one replacements, and then
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: they're gonna do something produced by drafting an edge guy
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: at thirty one, like, like, that's that's the move, right, Like,
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: I don't know how many more edge guys you really needed.
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: I think they've really I mean Diggs was a huge release,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: but they haven't really released many guys, have they.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe he's maybe talk well, that's not a
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: real I mean, that's a free agent who signed somewhere else.
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's not the same as releasing.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: The only other thing I can think of where we've
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: opened up a need that maybe you didn't have. I mean,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: and you knew you might have it because you knew
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Tonga might. But otherwise I think I mean Tevin's point,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: all three guys they signed were all needs, and I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: mean two of them were the main positions we talked about.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Rick and Riverside Rhode Island. I give the Patriots
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: an a for Day one. They added three starters without overpaying.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Pierce would have been nice, but he chose family and
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: his decision to stay in Indye. I don't believe we
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: lost any game changes in free agency this draft. The
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Patriots are not drafting for immediate need like the last
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: couple of years, so they should be able to get
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: the best player available when it comes to their time
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to pick.
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: I think the draft take is there.
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I see.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how you feel out, but
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: as it's come together for me, I feel a little
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: bit like the receiver and edge positions are kind of
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: connected at a thirty one spot where there might be
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a run on some receivers right around there, or there
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: might be a run on some edge guys and one
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: of those positions could possibly get pushed.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: I think we all agree we still want a receiver.
• 39:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think they need to. I mean I think
• 39:40
  Speaker 7: they need to or a tight end.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, whichever way you want.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: We need be still available.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: We need we need viable weapons for Drake Man.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I keep bringing them up.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: I know, if you have a like, let's just call
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: him a wide receiver again, maybe I'll feel a little
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: bit better about it.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how they how they divvy it up,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: but you know, two wide receivers in the second tight
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: end somehow, and and you know, hopefully maybe one of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: those guys is a rookie.
• 40:06
  Speaker 7: I mean, I don't even.
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: To hold two wide receivers like they already bring him
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: back Kyle Kyle Williams Ki Shawn Booty, Matt Collins, Pop Douglas. Now,
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: maybe you're thinking Booty and popped up.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: That's right, You're welcome friends.
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: You know, maybe you're thinking long term about Booty and
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: Pop Douglas and if they're going to be here past
• 40:26
  Speaker 5: twenty six. But like, how many guys are you going
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: to roster, and like how many opportunities are you going
• 40:31
  Speaker 5: to give guys if you bring in, if you trade
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: for a big time receiver, you're not probably then also
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: going to draft a draft a receiver in the top
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: one hundred. It's just too many now's to feed, Like
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: you're only gonna have carry six. So well, unless you're
• 40:47
  Speaker 5: moving somebody out, yes, you're already kind of moving digs out.
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Though theoretically if you if you so you trade for
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: a J. Brown and draft somebody in the top hundred,
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: so that maybe makes Douglas expendable. Sure, you know, maybe
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: you can get you know, a late round pick or
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: whatever a pick swap.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Can you get for Booty?
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: Late round pickswap? I mean that's I mean, that's what
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: you're looking for. Like those guys are going into the
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: last years of the deals. I think you kind of
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: know what they are at this point, or.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe I've been saying to put Kaishon Booty in the trade,
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: and that's not no disrespect to Kaishan Bush. Sure, but
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: if you're trading for aj Brown or if you're trading
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: for Chris Olave or Brian Thomas junior, like those teams
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: need a playable outside receiver, like they're going to need
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: to replace those players with something. Yeah, and like can
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: Kaishan Boudi be a sweetener as you know, a replacement
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: for the player that they're dealing out. I just think,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: you know, tight end to me has a more immediate
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: path to playing time. Like if you draft a young
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: tight end in the top one hundred that has some
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: receiving upside, I feel like there's a clearer path, especially
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: now with Austin Hooper gone, for that guy to actually
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: play as a rookie. Whereas if you're drafting another guy
• 41:56
  Speaker 5: in the second third round at receiver, he's going to
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: be behind them.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Maybe it goes to what Vrabel said at the combine,
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: which was he likes this tight end class. So maybe
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: they are kind of looking at that. Maybe you'll see
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: a later free agency signing. But no, I just look
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: at the three wide receivers next year who.
• 42:10
  Speaker 7: Are free agents.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: Let's just say you get AJ Brown, you get to
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: next year, you've got AJ Brown and who's thirty years old,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: and you've got to make some decisions. So Kyle Williams
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: huge player for me this year. If he's able to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: ascend and kind of take on that role, I think
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: would be great. I just I still look at it's
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: going to be a position, a long term need. I'd
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: love to get the guys in place that are going
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to be Drake's guys going forward.
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: That depends on how they look at Kyle Williams, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: only they can answer that question. Like if they really
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: feel like he can take that next step, then you
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: don't want to block him by adding multiple receivers. If
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: you feel like you we're not sure, then yeah, I.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Just really wonder about Pop too, Like it's just you know,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: somebody we talked about all last year about how does
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: he fit? And then it felt like for a short
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: while he found downfield ability to make plays. We're all
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: expecting him to be the quick underneath guy and that's
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: just not really his game. At times, it looked like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: he wasn't going to the right spot now I just
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: wonder what's the desire of the team to either have
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: a guy like Pop or even Chisholm. You know, like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: is Chisholm maybe a little bit quicker underneath? Does that
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: give him opportunities that don't exist for I don't know.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about either of those guys.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I would love to There's a few guys that fall
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: in that category of I love to know what they
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: think about that, Kyle Williams, Chisholm and Marcus Bryant, Like,
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: what do they think of him? Is do they think
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: at some day he could be a starter, you.
• 43:30
  Speaker 5: Know, or at least a swing tackle. But you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: and I think the Vederian low thing kind of came
• 43:35
  Speaker 5: down to the fact that he was kind of only
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: a left side player, and so there wasn't a ton
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: of versatility for him to flip to the right based
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: off of the past at least, you know, when he
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: played right, he really struggled. So you know, maybe Marcus
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: Bryant can be a little bit more versatile and give
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: you a true swing tackle as a third tackle instead
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: of just kind of a backup to Will Campbell at
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: left tackle, which is what Darien Loan them.
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Then Josh Farmer got married. Actually, oh last weekend each other?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: Good?
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: We should.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I think it was Dove Climb and did like a
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: post where it was like Josh Farmer and uh it wasn't.
• 44:11
  Speaker 7: Marcus Brian both got married. The got married this weekend
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: and it it pictures them like kind of looking at
• 44:14
  Speaker 7: each other and like what.
• 44:15
  Speaker 10: Is going on?
• 44:16
  Speaker 7: But now it wasn't to each other?
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Eight five five past five hundred is the hot line.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Let's see what people have to say on the hotline.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Herms in DC, what's up?
• 44:24
  Speaker 11: Herm Hey, what's going on?
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: Till Man?
• 44:27
  Speaker 11: Hey, Hey, so I turned for you on Saturday and
• 44:33
  Speaker 11: I promised myself to be a little more patient in life.
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: Right but obviously Dick, well, so Dick feel released. It's
• 44:41
  Speaker 11: not ideal. I didn't I didn't love to move, but
• 44:44
  Speaker 11: like I said, well, like Evan actually said, it's still
• 44:47
  Speaker 11: incomplete right as far as like you know, four years
• 44:50
  Speaker 11: and goos and acquisitions. A question to you guys, is
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: this right? I personally will be I will be shocked
• 44:59
  Speaker 11: if Aged Brown actually landing in New England. I just
• 45:03
  Speaker 11: I mean, I'll be my mouth will be on the floor. Well,
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: that being said, the probability and my opinion being raptively
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: low for him to be in New England. What a
• 45:14
  Speaker 11: realistic alternative to replace that productivity? Right, considering we just
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: I don't know a while, but we just let this
• 45:22
  Speaker 11: go down the receiver, right, So where do you go?
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: And I guess spacific place. Do you guys would have
• 45:29
  Speaker 11: a mon that could replace a predictavit?
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: Yeah?
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks herm.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, Paul, you want Thomas, but I like Brian Thomas. Yeah,
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: I think this' you know, he had the great rookie
• 45:40
  Speaker 4: year and evidently did not mesh well with the new
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: offense last year in Jacksonville. They ended up making a
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: couple of moves. Liam Cohen sort of got Jacoby Myers
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: at the deadline, and then all of a sudden, Parker
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: Washington really emerged and the offense took off and it
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: looked like Thomas was a little bit more of an afterthought.
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: Definitely had some problems like over the middle not he
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: had a lot of drops. I mean, call it what
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: it is. He didn't play well, but he fell out
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: of favor and to me, I think it's ridiculous that
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: they would give up on a guy who showed as
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: much promise as he did two years ago, you know,
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: and you know, on a rookie deal. But it looks
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: like I mean, if I think there was a report
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: out of New York, it was s N Y and
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: New York reported that he is available, but the Jaguars
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: are actively taking taking offers on him. I think there's
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: there's some ability there. Though he had a really good
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: game against in London against the Patriots two years ago
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: as a rookie. Again, I would, I would.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But none of these guys I would like the level
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: of Diggs.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: You know, I think I think he absolutely could.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, two years ago, I think you're looking
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: at two guys with the different sides of the hill.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: You know, It's like Brian Thomas your hope and it's
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: still headed up the hill and Diggs is maybe.
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Different players sure, Like I think the reason why Brian
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: Thomas schematic like he's an ISO receiver, Like he's the
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: type of guy that you want to get one on
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: one on the outside and let him run vertical routes,
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: you know, against Christian Gonzales in London, right running right
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: by guys. And I think that offensive Liam Cohene is
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: out of the Shanahan Tree, and it's a lot of
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: catch and run over the middle and you know, crossing
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: routes and play action and all that kind of stuff.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: It's a little bit different of a system than you know,
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: what he ran at LSU, which is just spread you know,
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: Jayden Daniels and the gun. We're gonna spread my leak
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: neighbors and Brian Thomas Junior out whoever has the one
• 47:34
  Speaker 5: on one where bombs away. You know, that feels a
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: lot more like the Patriots passing game with Drake May
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: than it does what they're doing in Jacksonville. So I
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: think it's a great fit if they can get him
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: out of there. I just don't know why it would
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: worry me that there's more to it than.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: Just me too.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: It's a bad scheme fit because there was some evidence
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: with him on film that he was kind of dogging
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: some routes and like not. You know, the effort wasn't
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: always great drops.
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: You know, he was decision He was at odds with
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: Cohen a lot. Yeah, during the course of the season,
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: and that does that is in the back of my mind,
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: Like Liam Cohen clearly showed that he had something to
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: offer as a coach with a you know, pretty quick
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: turnaround of a bad team. Why is he so you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: willing to part ways with a guy who clearly has
• 48:23
  Speaker 4: the ability.
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: Danny's in Tampa. What's up, Danny?
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Hey, how's it going?
• 48:28
  Speaker 9: Guys?
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: Hey?
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: So, I like all the tikes that everyone's saying so far,
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: I'm pretty good the picks that they've made so far,
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, they're they're decent.
• 48:39
  Speaker 9: They filled some spots.
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: One key thing I'd hit that I think that everyone's
• 48:44
  Speaker 6: saying is, yeah, I agree with Paul and everything. Why
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: would you release Digs not have a plan. It kind
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: of seems like the trend that the Patriots have been
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: doing over the last few years is they get rid
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: of what Bill used to do, get rid of a player.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Sometimes he wouldn't have an idea and we're all scratching
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: our head, like what does Bill doing? And maybe he's
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: got some genius. But then they did that would draw
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: on and now Mike's here. But I trust Mike. You know,
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not too sure what they're doing so far. But
• 49:11
  Speaker 6: one thing I think they should do is that would
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: solve some issues. Is he will keep bringing up bringing
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: David and Joki to the tight end if he's still available.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: Since they missed out on that Isaiah likely Sweet stakes
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: since he went to the Giants, I'd bring in a Joku.
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: I think they also missed out on Kate Odten from
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: the Bucks. They should draft the new tight end because
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: I don't like Jack Westover and just punter Henry. He's
• 49:35
  Speaker 6: declined easy years since he's since he's been with the Patriots.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: He hasn't had a really good seasons since his first
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: contract with Patriots. So I would bring in Djoku draft
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: the tight end to fix that. No one's really talking
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: a lot about the Titan. They keep talking about the
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: receiver spot, and I think the way Josh runs his offense,
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: you really need good tight ends. And I would not
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: want to roll in with Jack Westover and Hunter Henry.
• 49:57
  Speaker 12: That is not good.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: They're doing that.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks Danny, they got it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: They got a lot there. They'll make some moves at
• 50:04
  Speaker 5: tight end for sure.
• 50:05
  Speaker 4: And I liked Djoku. I just he's a little older, Yeah,
• 50:11
  Speaker 4: but I do like the player and as a second
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: tight end, pretty athletic. I think they could find someone
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: younger though I think he.
• 50:19
  Speaker 5: Can still play all right.
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  Speaker 12: Absolutely glad to be.
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I got to start off with your mock draft because
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: so many Patriots fans right now they're like edge class
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: and you know they got a couple tackle people. But
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you came through with Caleb Banks, a giant penetrating defensive lineman,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: which I'm kind of the defense guy.
• 53:13
  Speaker 7: I love the defense.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: And I saw that, I was like, hey, I know
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: we had some of these, but sign me up for that.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: What did you see in him that that made you
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: going to the Patriots?
• 53:20
  Speaker 12: What I watched his film and when I tracked all
• 53:22
  Speaker 12: of the data that kind of matches strategies. He's a rabel.
• 53:26
  Speaker 12: He like like it's like he's a Rabel. It's kind
• 53:30
  Speaker 12: of easy to see, right, Yeah, well, and the numbers
• 53:32
  Speaker 12: are pretty like the good news about Mike Rabel is
• 53:35
  Speaker 12: that you know exactly what the strategy is going to be.
• 53:38
  Speaker 12: And that's that means like the fit is easier to find, right, Like,
• 53:43
  Speaker 12: that's great. Is clarity is great and sticking to a
• 53:45
  Speaker 12: plan is even greater, which I think some people have
• 53:47
  Speaker 12: clarity and then they're like, yeah, yeah, no, I'm going
• 53:49
  Speaker 12: to make this thing fit my back into my narrative.
• 53:52
  Speaker 12: That's what it doesn't what Rabel does. That's not what
• 53:54
  Speaker 12: Rabel does. He does the opposite of that. So it
• 53:56
  Speaker 12: just felt like that was the one. You're like, well,
• 53:59
  Speaker 12: this job here is done.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: It makes sense.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I said, we're talking to a bunch of people this week,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: and it was you know, Rabel came in and he's like,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: this is the style we want to play with effort
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: and finish. And as soon as we saw them starting
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: to play, especially on the defensive side of the ball,
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: You're like, okay, I get it, and now we'll start
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: the scouting process. And I'm like, yep, Rabel, Rabel, you know,
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: these are rable guys. Plays with his hair on fire,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: but i't want to ask you a little different for
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Yeah, we've been up at the top of
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: the draft the last few years. Who saw last year coming?
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: Not even us here on the inside.
• 54:25
  Speaker 12: But I'm like obsessed with your I went to b
• 54:27
  Speaker 12: C accent Is. I'm like obsessed with a little bit.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: I'm like it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 12: I'm like, keep talking.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: About I want to have a couple of drinks. Then
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: it comes out even more.
• 54:34
  Speaker 5: But we're not there.
• 54:35
  Speaker 11: We're not there.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like when you're at the
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: bottom of the first round, you're waiting to see who
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: might fall through the cracks. And I do love this
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: edge class, So I feel like we got to talk
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: a little bit about it. Any of those guys you
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: see that you think rable guy, so he.
• 54:52
  Speaker 12: Won't he won't be available where you're picking. But I
• 54:55
  Speaker 12: think Cashastowel is a rable guy. The one cool thing,
• 54:59
  Speaker 12: or there's a lot of cool things about him, but
• 55:01
  Speaker 12: one of the coolest things about him is the fatigue factor.
• 55:04
  Speaker 12: So I've been measuring. I've been using the data to
• 55:07
  Speaker 12: see how often in the fourth quarter the guys get
• 55:10
  Speaker 12: tired versus the first quarter. So I need to like
• 55:13
  Speaker 12: rename it because it's a good thing to be low
• 55:15
  Speaker 12: and fatigue. But like that's clunky to say, So how
• 55:18
  Speaker 12: good are you at not being fatigued? Terrible English whatever.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Exhaustion quo or something that there we go sounds official.
• 55:25
  Speaker 12: Right, especially quotihit that really I don't really, I don't know,
• 55:29
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I agree, but that the point is
• 55:31
  Speaker 12: is Cassius Howell doesn't get tired. He does not have
• 55:35
  Speaker 12: that happen. I mean, Caleb Downs nowhere near, we're nowhere near,
• 55:38
  Speaker 12: y'all will have no chance at him. No offense, but
• 55:41
  Speaker 12: it's not like an offensive thing. But that kid, no, no,
• 55:46
  Speaker 12: no drop off, no way.
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 12: So but Cassius Howel if he were somehow, if he
• 55:51
  Speaker 12: had some weird fall or whatever, that's a guy who
• 55:53
  Speaker 12: would be a rable guy.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Like our Mason Thomas too, a little bit places with
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: that kind of style, a little smaller kind of a guy.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: But when you look over all the regardless of patriots
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: or anything, are there any guys that just you were like,
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: I love this guy. I think he came down easy
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: to love him.
• 56:06
  Speaker 12: Yeah, So I'm I'm all in on Caleb Downs now.
• 56:08
  Speaker 12: I also I studied this is ridiculous, But I spent
• 56:11
  Speaker 12: a lot of my master's degree studying offensive linemen because
• 56:15
  Speaker 12: somebody once told me there was nothing that I could
• 56:18
  Speaker 12: teach them about.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Whatever it was.
• 56:20
  Speaker 15: It was.
• 56:21
  Speaker 12: Right now, No, not going to arm length, but no,
• 56:24
  Speaker 12: I feel like I'm right now. I'm very excited about
• 56:28
  Speaker 12: seeing how Fransis Mawanoa interviews. I don't know anything about
• 56:32
  Speaker 12: his personality, but Miami tackle he should measure in around
• 56:36
  Speaker 12: sixty six sixty seven. Pretty interested to see because I
• 56:39
  Speaker 12: just think a lot of teams need a tackle, you know.
• 56:43
  Speaker 12: And by the way, I don't care about Will Campbell's arm.
• 56:45
  Speaker 12: I'd rather I'd rather want him to be playing with
• 56:48
  Speaker 12: like all of his uh ligaments intact. Nice, you know,
• 56:51
  Speaker 12: but I don't care about his arm. He was my
• 56:54
  Speaker 12: first pick.
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 56:56
  Speaker 12: I'm an analytics person. I can tell you I don't
• 56:58
  Speaker 12: care about his arms.
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: I'm gona talk about like you heard last year.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: The second I heard him speak, I'm like, I want
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: to die for It's not that serious, too extreme.
• 57:08
  Speaker 12: Ratchet it down, just tiny it. But I get where
• 57:10
  Speaker 12: you're going with that. But like just less, I can.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Actually just going back to this year. I mean, you
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: have a national perspective and you're talking about this stuff
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: all the time. Just what was your perspective on this
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: Patriots scene this year. I know there was talk of
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: the schedule, but I mean Drake may runner up in
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the MVP. I mean, like I said, not even the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: people inside. I mean, we were all just taken aback
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: by how well he played and how it all came
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: together so quickly.
• 57:30
  Speaker 12: I think the quick is the part, like it made
• 57:33
  Speaker 12: complete sense, like all I I mean, Milton Williams, that
• 57:37
  Speaker 12: was such a smarting. But I love Bobby Spulane. Adding
• 57:40
  Speaker 12: Robert Spulane back to the team. I thought that was
• 57:43
  Speaker 12: low key, not talked about anywhere near as much as
• 57:47
  Speaker 12: it should have been. The run stop, like that's just
• 57:50
  Speaker 12: a that's a dude right there. But he's also I mean,
• 57:53
  Speaker 12: if you look at anything good that happened on the Raiders,
• 57:55
  Speaker 12: was like, oh, it's Robert Spelane, It's Bobby's splane, right,
• 57:58
  Speaker 12: so you're looking at that. And I thought even the
• 58:00
  Speaker 12: less premium free agent and I don't need to call
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: on that, but less expensive how about the less expensive
• 58:06
  Speaker 12: free agent acquisitions were really good too. Did I think
• 58:09
  Speaker 12: that this would be the year that they would go
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  Speaker 12: to the Super Bowl. Nope. But I wasn't really surprised.
• 58:15
  Speaker 12: I do think it kind of the wheels fell off
• 58:17
  Speaker 12: a little bit with like injuries and trying to like
• 58:19
  Speaker 12: put some like duct tape.
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  Speaker 7: On being one of those down the end, like you
• 58:23
  Speaker 7: need a little w D forty kid.
• 58:25
  Speaker 12: Okay, like, but I think that was but that could
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: happen to any team, So you know, it was just
• 58:30
  Speaker 12: an unfortunate circumstance. But you know, I thought I thought
• 58:34
  Speaker 12: it was going to be a good team. I don't.
• 58:36
  Speaker 12: I definitely didn't think it was a super Bowl team
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  Speaker 12: now yet Yeah, well I thought it was a good rebuild.
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  Speaker 1: And then we look at the schedule next year. I
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: mean it's like at Seattle, at Kansas City, at the Chargers.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of tough games. What do
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: you feel like the strategy should be for this Patriots
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: team this year? I mean, you know, there's cries for
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: the number one. Everybody got to get that number one receiver.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You got to get one of the three best receivers.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: And they you know, that's a big talking point, the
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: pressure with the edge rushers, but they talked David stablished
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: a core a foundation, they've got to continue to.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: Build on it.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on how do they approach the
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: expectations now after going to a super Bowl?
• 59:08
  Speaker 12: Can we just get like a can we just do
• 59:09
  Speaker 12: like a little more of a right tackle? I'm so mean,
• 59:12
  Speaker 12: I'm so mean. I just want to protect Drake May.
• 59:15
  Speaker 12: I think he's so special and has the potential to
• 59:18
  Speaker 12: be elite, elite. I will never crown a guy until
• 59:22
  Speaker 12: I've seen it. You know, even Patrick Mahomes after that
• 59:25
  Speaker 12: one amazing year, I wasn't like, I'm not ready to.
• 59:28
  Speaker 12: You got to give him three because then now everyone
• 59:30
  Speaker 12: will adjust and then can you adjust back? It seems
• 59:33
  Speaker 12: like Drake May will be fully capable of doing that.
• 59:36
  Speaker 12: But again, I still want to go ahead. I reserve
• 59:38
  Speaker 12: the word elite for the actual elite people, so by
• 59:41
  Speaker 12: definition it has to be very few. But he has
• 59:44
  Speaker 12: all sides point to that. So like pull out like
• 59:46
  Speaker 12: a like a little armored vehicle. Is there, who's the
• 59:50
  Speaker 12: most refrigerator like in this draft? Francis Moua, yeah, right,
• 59:53
  Speaker 12: let's put him anyways, but what long story short is that?
• 59:55
  Speaker 12: That to me is like focus on that. This team
• 59:59
  Speaker 12: has a lot of different opportunities to be successful. I
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 12: don't care how it looks. I don't care if it's
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 12: a number one wide receiver that's named like hottest wide
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 12: receiver the whole world, Like, it doesn't need to be that.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 12: Aj Brown a fan. Okay, great, that'd be awesome, But
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 12: what is what are you giving up to get him?
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  Speaker 12: Because if it's the right tackle, I'm going with that.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 12: And I'm not trying to be MEANTERI right tackle. I
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 12: just think that, like I said, I want you well.
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  Speaker 1: It's more I mean, he's, you know, thirty four years old,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Morgan Moses. I mean, and yeah, usually the end of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: the first round that's where you might get a right tackle.
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  Speaker 12: With I'm not like, no, I'm not throwing shade. I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 12: just I want to give Drake May every single asset
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 12: to succeed because it was so great. And I'm like
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 12: a huge Hunter Henry Fan. Yeah, yeah, giant Hunter Henry
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 12: Fan did a service trip last year with him and
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 12: his wife and so the Herzlicks who were good BC kids,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 12: and we went to you know, we went to Africa
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 12: and it was about anti human trafficking. So I would
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 12: really like Hunter Henry to have like like conservatively how
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 12: about twenty touchdowns?
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  Speaker 1: Are you with that?
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  Speaker 7: I think we could do that. I think comp that.
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  Speaker 4: And now great moments in history.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, well, what happened to the garoppolo porn star? Has
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 17: she made any headlines this week? I feel like she
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 17: would come out and go on a show this week
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 17: or something show. Yeah, go on a big radio show
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 17: on Yeah, something like that. Maybe not an element, maybe
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 17: like a fallon.
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  Speaker 7: He's got a weird side to him.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: He's got a weird side.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: He's got like this.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's got a weird side to him.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: That's his nickname. What his nickname on the team is?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: I don't know what's stuck? Probably figure out I would
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: have to click on things on Twitter to find out why,
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  Speaker 4: right have you?
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  Speaker 1: It's great baby, that's another great moment from.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, we're back here in Patriots Unfiltered. We're talking about
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• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Patriots have had to build around a quarterback. Knowing they
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: were going that route in the twenty four draft, being
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: March tenth. I'm not going to crush them, but the
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  Speaker 2: two highest paid offensive players currently on the team are
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: both guards. The best they've done at wide receiver has
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: been a one year reclamation project. Similarly, the offensive line
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: has been underwhelming. While the schedule was considered easy last season,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: they played twelve games, including playoffs, against teams in the
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: top half of the league in sacks. In those twelve games,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: they allowed forty nine. It wasn't just the playoffs where
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: this line fell short. Between the shortcomings of the line
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: and the lack of talent at wide receiver, how do
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots think this offense will take a step forward
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  Speaker 2: on offense against good teams?
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  Speaker 4: I mean fair, it's a fair I think a little
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: bit overly critical. I would just say you're right in
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: that the two I pay guys on offense to two guards.
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  Speaker 4: But to suggest that that's where they've stopped in terms
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 4: of adding, I mean, you used a first round pick
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  Speaker 4: on your left tackle, you used a fourth round pick,
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 4: third round pick, third on Jared Wilson, third on your center.
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  Speaker 4: So you've made a lot of steps to fortify your
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: offensive line. Now maybe you could say that they haven't
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  Speaker 4: done it well enough to your liking when you're citing
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: all the stats there with the sacks allowed. And I'd
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: also just I'm going to stay a little bit more
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: patient in terms of the wide receiver.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 5: Because al Pearce really the only needle mover.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and you went back to the Colts,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 4: but you wouldn't feel great. I don't think if you
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: know that they went out and gave the bag to
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: one of these, you know, Romeo, Romeo Dobs and Juwan
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: Jennings are going to make a fair amount of money,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: and I don't think that that would solve all your desires.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I would just say that players improve
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: from especially young players in their first or second year.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: So what you saw out of rookie Jared Wilson at
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: left guard and rookie Will Campbell left tackle is not
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: necessarily what you're gonna see next year. Say what you're
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: gonna see from Drake May and year two and Josh
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: McDaniels system, where there's a lot on him deciding some
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: of that pressure stuff as well, that you're gonna see
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: some improvement there. So I just feel that stuff always
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: gets lost in the wash. If they stunk last year,
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: they're gonna stink again, and no one leaves any room
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: for guys to improve. And I think the coaching staff
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: does do that, and you know, and they've challenged guys
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to get stronger and then to improve. It doesn't mean
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: they're gonna come in and be Pro Bowlers next year.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: But at a certain point, you can't just try to
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: fill every single position that you didn't like how it
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: performed last year. You've got to allow these guys to develop.
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  Speaker 5: I would I would just say sacks are quarterback stat
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  Speaker 5: Like if we're going to grade the offensive line, like,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 5: using sacks is not really a great barometer because nine
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 5: times out of ten, the quarterback is the one that's
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 5: controlling whether it's a sack.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there are some sacks that are on
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: the quarterback, But when it's that high end.
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  Speaker 5: Sacks are quarterbacks that like you when you look at
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: time to throw, when you look at you know, scrambling quarterbacks,
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: guys that like to move around. All those guys that
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 5: are always near the top of the league in sacks taken.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: You know, this was a big thing for years and
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: years and years with Russell Wilson, Russell Wilson would hold
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 5: the ball, he'd run around, he'd take a lot of sacks.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: He'd also make a lot of plays. You know, Drake
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: may is the same kind of way. So when you
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: look at you know, the quarterbacks that get sacked the
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: most nine times out of ten, those are the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 5: that hold the ball the most, that are mobile, that
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: you know, are guys that can run around and move around.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: So like if you look at the offensive line last
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 5: year certainly was not a finished product by any means,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 5: but substantial improvement from twenty four to twenty five on
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: the line, and that deduce his point. A lot of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 5: those guys were young players, you know, two of them
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: in particular, that you hope are going to get even
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: better as we go forward here. So they went from
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 5: thirty second in the league as an offensive line in
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 5: twenty four to probably like middle of the pack in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: twenty five.
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  Speaker 2: Fast improvement.
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  Speaker 5: And then you said, acts in your two highest paid
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 5: guys or guard. So they went out there and signed
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 5: a really good pass blocking guard to try to improve
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 5: it even more.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I would you know, just to piggyback on that,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: you took the line from twenty five, and now you
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 4: go to twenty six and on paper, again that's dangerous.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 4: But on paper, theoretically you've improved the two positions.
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  Speaker 2: You know you hope, well you hope Wilson's better than
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: Brad Burry.
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  Speaker 4: So no, I know that Vera Tucker's better than that.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 4: He's the one for one replacement. And what you hope
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 4: is that Wilson moving to center, his natural position, improves
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 4: him as well. So you have a better Wilson and
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 4: a better Vera Tucker. Again, that's on paper. Games aren't
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: one on paper. So I'm not going to be a
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: fraud and say, well you do you won the off season.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing that. I'm just saying in theory, they've
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: addressed what they think was a problem. I know, as
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: the season we're on last year, when you get sacked
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: forty something times in the plug, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: It was, I definitely look at the A signing as
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: helping Drake May What is it, Mike, it's a joke.
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  Speaker 7: It goes back to that question.
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  Speaker 1: Though you'd love to know a handful of guys love
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: to know what they really think of them, Like Jared Wilson.
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  Speaker 7: We think he's going to be an All Pro center. Uh,
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 7: Kyle Williams, he's going to think.
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  Speaker 4: He'll be a better center than he was a gun.
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  Speaker 4: That's all I'm willing to do.
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  Speaker 1: I just got a little overly positive there. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they have grand aspirations for some of
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: these guys. Maybe they look at Elijah Ponder and say
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: he can be Caleb Chason. And now again it's stretch maybe,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: but maybe they feel strongly about certain players that were
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: underselling a little bit, and only they know.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 4: All of these things kind of happened. I would just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 4: put that entire personnel and.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: Coaching department, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer, Hall of Famer,
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: Hall of Fame, fame, and you got Elijah Elijah.
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  Speaker 1: I figure that somebody has to say that man, because
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: everyone writes in the well he's stunk.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 7: He's stunk, he's stunk.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: He started all year, but he's stunked to I didn't
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: really see enough out of Woods and he's stunk.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: Like you know, oh, Woodson played really I think Wilson's
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: the one guy who played better and better as the
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 4: season went on. I don't think people are saying he's stunk.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: Bring your New One Travis and West Virginia shout out
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: to Deuce for getting Cynthia Freeland to flirt with him.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: She's a solid eight, solid eight.
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  Speaker 7: I didn't have to do anything.
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  Speaker 4: I just was interviewer.
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  Speaker 7: I think that's just that's that.
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  Speaker 4: Is people don't I don't think we objectified people like that.
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  Speaker 4: I think you're keep running it every two places, Paul,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: So you like my theater.
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  Speaker 5: I was thinking about that on the ride, and I
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  Speaker 5: was like, well, I could argue that they got better
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  Speaker 5: in two plays.
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  Speaker 4: Well that's what you have to hope. You have to
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 4: hope because I because I.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Am really convinced that Jared Wilson's gonna is a much
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 5: better center than he is a guard. I am too,
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 5: And I'm not sure if he's better than Bradbury yet,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: but I'm convinced that he's better.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: He might he might not be. But I'm also convinced
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: that you got you sold high on Bradbury. You got
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  Speaker 4: the best that Bradbury was going to give you based
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  Speaker 4: on his track record, and I think he was fantastic
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: for them last year, all things considered. But if you
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  Speaker 4: had to you know, so I know, Mike, you would
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: probably bristle at this because everybody's everybody advances to the
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  Speaker 4: All pro level. If you had to guess, would you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 4: say you would get better or worse played from Bradbury
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  Speaker 4: next year?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Worse, I would think, I mean I would think worse.
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  Speaker 1: Weren't we on the fence with him coming out of
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yes and you got to you got.
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  Speaker 4: A really solid year, not like an All Pro year
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: or anything like that. But he played every game he
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: posted he was he played well.
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  Speaker 2: I told you he would do.
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  Speaker 10: I did.
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  Speaker 4: I think you told me he was going to be
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: a pro bowler out now?
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  Speaker 2: You guys pushed bad at Minnesota. He was really low
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: in the past.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 4: He was bad. He bounced back off off a bad year.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, give him credit fine too, but he was fine.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: You know, I think you're hoping Jared Wilson has a
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: much higher ceiling and just his body type, his athleticism,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: his play strength, like all of it fits better with
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: him being a center. You know, all the people when
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: they don't.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: Have power to guard at times, and I don't think
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 4: that that's as likely to happen at center.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back to the phones eight five five pats
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  Speaker 2: five hundred, zach Is in New Hampshire.
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  Speaker 6: Hey Zach, Hey guys, thanks, thanks for taking my call.
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  Speaker 6: I just wanted to know if you thought there might
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: be some potential receiver names we're not really hearing about
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 6: in trade, like a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior, and
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: what his scheme fit could be in that offense.
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  Speaker 18: And then also what your thoughts are on free agent
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 18: linebacker Leoshanal.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks guys.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I don't, I mean, is there anything about Harrison
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: just he's available?
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: Just Twitter scuttle, But yeah, I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, I think much like the Brian Thomas stuff,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think it makes a lot of sense to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 4: do that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got rid of your quarterback and now you're
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: gonna get rid.
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  Speaker 5: Of The only argument would be is if like somebody
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: is going to offer you something crazy and you're kind
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: of in Arizona, you're kind of resetting, so like if
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: somebody were going to offer you like multiple first round picks.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 4: But is someone going to offer you something crazy for
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: a guy who's been by all accounts of disappointment through
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: two years?
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, I think disappointments.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: You don't know whether that's but would you would you
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: give up to Evans point like a first round pick,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 4: and like, I don't see Arizona trading. I mean they
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: took they took him with like the fourth overall pick. Yeah,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 4: he was high.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: It was what do we know about Lee?
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it didn't really live up to his draft type.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: You know, really good athlete, but like more of like
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: a straight line athlete. But uh, I thought that he
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 5: was gonna be much better pro kind of honestly. Uh
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: remember him in the draft and went to the combine
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 5: at this crazy workout at like pretty heavy. He's like
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 5: two fifty eight, two fifty plus, but he's like a
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 5: downhill missile. Like that's a guy that's going to run
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 5: into the line of scrimmage and blitz and stop the
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 5: run and do that kind of stuff. And the change
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 5: of direction and uh, you know, the feel and coverage
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: was always a little bit of a concern with him,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 5: even coming out of college. So I mean, I don't
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: hate the player. I just I think that, you know,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: everybody's kind of looking for somebody to play off of
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 5: Robert Spolaine. That's a little bit better than like a
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 5: Christian Ellis. I just don't know if you need a
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: Leoshanall if he's going to make any sort of sizeable
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: money in free agency. It's a really really good linebacker class,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 5: and you'd probably rather get younger and cheaper and try
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 5: to develop somebody behind Spolaine instead of, you know, doing
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 5: the free agency round.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: Michelle, who loves it when I call it, when I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: call her Salata got almost as much as Cynthia loves it,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: just calls her sin.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: She says there'll never be another Mankins. Just so we're clear,
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: But does Vera Tucker went healthy have a bit of
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: his nastiness? I'd love to see that.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 5: I don't think so. I think he's a lot more
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: like Joe Toney than he is like Logan Mankins. I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: don't think that he's really.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 19: Like.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 7: He's not a technician.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's really athletic, great movement skills, great pass blocker,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 5: great technician with his hands, but not a maller.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, jump on top of you on the ground,
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: I mean play, No, you guys would know more.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: Did he play tackle at USC?
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: He did. He played a year left tackle at USC.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 5: He played a year of right tackle with the Jets.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: I know he played some tackle.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 5: He's played both guards spots. He played four spots on
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: the line, just not center, so he's played everywhere. He
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: is another short arms guy, short arms, small wingspan, so
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: another narrowly built human which really took tackle on that side.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: It was my one nitpick, but that that that's the tackle.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Like if if you had to play him at right
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 5: tackle in a pinch like Morgan Moses got hurt and
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: you had to play him at right tackle for a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: game or two, I think you can do it, and
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: like like okay, and kind of like Mike on Win
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 5: like you know, like I think you could move him
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: outside if you had to, kind of like mancons but
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: not his natural spot, kind of like Macons kind of
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: like kind of like man. Yeah, that's my one nippin
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: though is he's Yes, he has a seventy six and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: seven eighths inch wingspan, which is smaller than Will Campbell's
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: and he only has thirty two and eighth in charms.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 4: So we're not at guard.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: We're talking about God. Like I was hoping they were
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: going to kind of like supplement Campibell with like a
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: wide body dollar this is more of like a very
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: high level pass protector than it is.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: That would you have liked David Edwards more than Yes, but.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: David Edwards was more expensive barely.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: Well, I don't we don't really don't know what the
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: guarantee money is, but I mean average annual value. I
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: think Edward's got fifteen million, yeah, and this got fourteen, right, and.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: He got eleven three years forty two. Mike can value
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 5: of forty eight if he like seven Pro Bowls with
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: the Patriots.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: Mike and Wilmington writes in question for Paul and the
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: group on their favorite topic of free agent contracts. Paul
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: notorious that's fourteen, doesn't care about money and thinks the
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: player is either good or not bad.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm doing math over here.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Should I read that again so you can hear it?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: Three years it eleven is thirty three finish okay, yeah,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: forty two is yeah, fortying maths, that's a big difference.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: He's fair, he's right, cap right. Again, we don't know
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: the guarantee, so maybe the guarantees, what the injury history is.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, there's a little bit less than David Edwards.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: That's all.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I'll read this again. Question for Paul and the group.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 2: Paul notoriously doesn't care about money and thinks the player
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: is either good or not. If Kaishan body is Kaishan
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: Boody a good or bad player, I'd say good. But
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: if we were paying him fifteen million verse thirty million,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I'd be so expecting more than what he's historically been.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: Contracts matter for pecking order. There's no issue with paying
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: market value for guys as long as they play to
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: the role of that value. If we pay someone like
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: a two or a three, the job as a two
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: or three is safe. If we pay someone like a one,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: they likely will become a future cap casualty. It's not
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: about good bad, it's about expected production from their fit.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you, Andy Hart. Everything everything he wrote is exactly right.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I can't argue with any of that. That was a
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 4: gross exaggeration of my point. But that's an Andy Hart argument. Well,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: if you give Hi him thirty million, do you still
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 4: think he's a good player. No, Vakaishan Boody's not a
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: thirty million dollar player. So you can't just give everybody
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: number one receiver money if they're valuable. I get that. Congratulations.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Be surprised you haven't heard extend booty like you know? No,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: yeah right, I'm not surprised you have a lot of
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: people are very high on him, I mean pretty higher
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: than we are.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: He's no one more so than fred.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: I like his upside I do.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, like the year he's going to make the
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 4: year five leap.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: I think now he's something clicked last year.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: I mean he's one of the closest things. I mean,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: EVE been talking about they can't draft wide receivers.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: He's the closest thing. Come.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 5: I just think that we're going into year four. Yeah,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 5: this is probably what he is. What he is, and
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: that's not a bad player, Like he's an NFL player
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 5: and like a productive player.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: But as Drake May improves, I think those around him
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: will as well.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: I just don't know. I don't know. I think this
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 5: is five point fifty six hundred yard receiver. Like we
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: all like Booty, But I just am telling you, I
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 5: just don't think that. Like like you guys can disagree.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: I just like feel like, I mean, I feel like
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: we're all in the same place.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 7: We all like him.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: But you know, for a player that you drafted as
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver, that everyone is obsessful wide receivers that
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: you've developed and had some good season, nobody's really saying Oh,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: they should get in now and extend Booty in.
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 4: You you know, I don't think every team has the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: guys that the Patriots are searching for.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: Just how does where does the volume in his like?
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: How does he expand to a higher volume role? Like
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: what's the because right now he's a go ball specialist.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 5: He catches won a game. If you're you know, maybe how.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: How amount of passes per game? How do the Patriots
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: rank in the league? Pass attempts per game?
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Uh, they were pretty high last year.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: They were high.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Drake is.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Early because you know, when Drake was having good games,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 2: you throw the ball twenty five times?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 7: They were Yeah, they were twenty third in passing twenty third.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not high. Well I'm talking about draw I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: go by dropbacks. Okay, because he scrambles.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, well yeah but amount of time thrown, yeah,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: might increase.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: But would that be a bad thing?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 17: No?
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: I think that.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 4: I think it will be because they might not have
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: the lead the whole second half of every game like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: they did last year, which is why that number was so.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: Long, whatever the whatever, the reason the number was lower.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: No, because because they'll play I mean arguably they played
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 4: thirteen or fourteen games exactly the way they wanted to
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 4: play them. Right, We're going to get the lead at
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 4: the half, We're going to play Katie by the door
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: in the second half and lean on the defense and
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: run the ball and get out of here with a win.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: But because are playing teams that were overwhelming, maybe.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: In the second year with Josh McDaniel's being with Drake May,
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: he feels more comfortable airing it out a little bit more,
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: and not because of necessity.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: Tenth in total dropbacks last.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Because I want to because we can do it, and
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: because it's more effective, as you would agree.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 4: I want to throw the ball, you know that, Yeah,
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: but I'm not necessarily saying that like that's going to
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: be great for like the production like you might. You're
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 4: not going to complete seventy three percent if you've start
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: throwing the ball more than that. That's one of the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 4: reasons why the.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: Sod opportunities for a guy like Booty.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: I would just wondering more like what true what branches
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: at the tree? Is he adding to his repertoire to
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: get to a higher volume, because like the the go
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 5: balls on the outside are a low percentage play that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 5: is only going to happen so many times a game.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 5: So like deep in cuts, he's good at those, two
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 5: he's okay at those like are deep in cut slants?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 17: Like is that?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 5: How are we getting him from? What was he like
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 5: the forty catches last year? Thirty five counties? Yeah, to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: sixty And it's it's not going to be just because
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 5: Drake May throws him an extra go ball every single game.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: That's not going to get him there. So like you
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 5: have to expand his repertoire.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, I have faith in the coaches to be able
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: Okay, I could I mean I could see him.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 5: I mean he might be right.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I mean thirty three is a pretty low number. I
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: mean I could see him increasing that.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it hit forty three two years ago.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, That's why I said thirty three is are pretty
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: low number.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: He went up for yards perception from thirteen point seven
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: to sixteen point seven.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: But it was like in twenty four and twenty five
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: it was kind of the same, right.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean yards per game thirty nine point three
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: thirty nine point four.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And I would also saylast year was more impactful
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: because they were you know, two years two years ago,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: someone had to catch the ball. Last year, they were
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: you know, big, big plays that resulted in helping them
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: win games, you know, much better in my view.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: Like figure out a way to be more productive on
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: first and second level targets. Like what's like something else that.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: To your point. I don't really like him on slants
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 4: like they them and he kind of like he has
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: great hands, but like there were a few times that
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: I looked at he kind of have that one like
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: that seemed to me again very anecdotal, like kind of
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: like low ones that went off his hands and stuff.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: I like him better down the field. But maybe that's right.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe Evan's got it and that's how he expands the
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: He caught a million of those. I remember.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: The guy on the rams now that was drafted by
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: the Commanders. Yeah, right, dusted them like seventy yards.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Totally know what you're talking about it LSU. Yes, that's
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: what he got on everyone's radar.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, maybe that's the type of we could add
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 5: go back to that and add some of that in.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: But it seems like he's going to catch his big
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 5: bomb once a game and come back to close the game. Yeah,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: nothing wrong with that.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: Yep, big on, booty. Let's go back to the phones.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Christians in LA. What's up Christian.
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 8: Hey you guys, Hey you guys, Hey, you guys. I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 8: just wanted to give you guys a shout out here
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 8: and some flowers, because as things get crazier out outside
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 8: of our houses and outside in the world, it seems like,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 8: you know, an escapism is need, and you guys provide
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 8: a great way to just sit back and listen to
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 8: something that actually makes sense. Right, So as the world
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 8: starts making sense, you guys make more sense. So thank
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 8: you very much for that, just in general. But onto football,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 8: I don't really know what Mike Braibile is doing. It
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 8: seems to me like he doesn't.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 11: Super Bowl window now.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 8: He's still sort of building and trying to figure out
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 8: what this team is.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Maybe I'm not thinking the right way, but when you
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: go to a Super Bowl, doesn't that begin your Super
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 3: Bowl window? Am I thinking about it incorrectly?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 12: No?
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: I don't. I would hope that they think that there
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: should be viable contenders in twenty six. I hope they're
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: not thinking that twenty six is now a rebuilding year
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: or you know, a gateway to twenty seven.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting question, Yeah, because it goes
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: to like what they what they honestly think of how
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: how much progress they made last year, and how much
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: it was sort of, you know, a perfect storm.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I do think that they probably look at
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: it and say, yeah, we're maybe we're further advanced in
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: our rebuild than we thought, but we still have some
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 4: work to do in the rebuild.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I think that's why Chris.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: You don't you say you don't know what Rabel's doing.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: What would you have done so far?
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: So I would have made sure I got one of
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: those those premium linebackers, anything, just to we know there's edge,
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: there's edge players in the draft. Development will maybe maybe
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: we get lucky someone drops or whatever, but we really
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: do need a rangy middle linebacker, just just sort of
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: sure things. And in my estimation, guys, here's what I
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: would do thinking about our pick. We can get the
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: number six, you know, wide receiver, number six, guard number six,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: number four of this and that we can get the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 3: number two safety right on the board. We pair her
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 3: with Christian Gonzales. Okay, now the defense, the back end.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: We got the back end for the.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 20: Next ten years let's say we can we can focus
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 20: on some other things. But it seems like to me,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 20: we're just not taking the shots to make us feel
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 20: like as fans, we believe we're in our window. We're
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 20: a piece of two away.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 5: I don't think they think they're.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: A yeah, and that's what I'm saying. I think it's
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 4: an interesting conversation. Because they went to the Super Bowl.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: I think people are thinking like I don't think that's Christian.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 4: I don't think they think like that.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 5: No, I think they're more thinking, let's stay the course.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 5: And part of staying the course is they have eleven
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: draft picks, and maybe they're a little bit lower than
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 5: they wanted them. You know, we thought they were going
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 5: to be because of going to the Super Bowl.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 4: Evan truth just came out there.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: We just went back to.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: Watching some great watching them get killed in the super Bowl.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: It was fantastic. So, you know, but they have eleven
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 5: draft picks. If you then all of a sudden go
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 5: out and start trading away all those draft picks for players,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 5: it might be that instant gratification thing of like this
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 5: is really cool, but is that the best long term
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 5: interest to the team.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: So the other part of it is just remember how
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: much money they spent last year in free agency on
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: a bunch of guys that will not just continue to
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 4: be the guy like you know, you talk about the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: young guys, Mike when they don't play well right away
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: and everybody just says, well they stink. We talked about
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: brad Berry, you know, do you think he was going
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: which way up or down? You know, it's the same
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: thing with a handful of guys that they signed to Moses.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: You know they're going to have to replace Harold Landry, Carlton, Davis, Morgan, Moses.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 4: These are guys that were key elements of what they
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: did last year. I'm not sure that you are expecting
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: them to be part of a super Bowl team in
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 4: twenty seven. So that's why for the argument for staying
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: the course that Evan just that's why you can't fall
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: into well, we get that last year, so that's going
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: to be the same this year. You don't know how
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: that's going to but you have to sort of plan
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: for that.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 5: Just listening to them at the combine, there was obvious
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 5: optimism and an upbeat vibe about what they just came
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 5: off of. But I still I think that staying the
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: course was kind of the message of like, we're not
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: we were in the super Bowl, but we were in
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: a super Bowl team, and we're going to kind of
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 5: be deliberate about going.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: To be prudent.
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 5: Now, that doesn't mean they can't go out there and
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: make trades and make moves, but it just me and
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 5: we all want.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 4: Them to do everything they can to be as as
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 4: productive and as as successful as they can. Right, So
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: we're all looking for wide receivers, we're all looking for
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: edge rushers for Mike. So Mike is happy and Christian no.
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: But Christian's point about the linebacker too. Splain is another
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: guy that I would kind of put in that category.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: You saw somewhere and tear there, you know, so what
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: like they you know, they don't have a lot around that.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: So Evan and Mike, they were at the combine. They
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 4: tell me about this linebacker class. You know, this off
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 4: ball linebacker class is maybe a little bit a little
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: bit better than a normal year. So yeah, I think
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: Christian's right to be looking for some of those guys.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Like you could go out and sign Devin Lloyd signed
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 5: last night, Leosh and people are calling it is still
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 5: a free agent. I just if you draft a linebacker,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: you know, early on day two or something like that,
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: is that a better investment? Where like, now we're going
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: to try to develop this guy so that one Splain
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 5: does run out of gas in the tank, we're passing
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: the torch to the younger guy, and we're kind of
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 5: already have that there. Maybe he plays off of Spleen
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: at the beginning part of his career to get on
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: the field.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: It's a great argument though, too, Like that's how I
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: think we all feel, you know, Fred, you know, the
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: three of us spent a lot of time talking about
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: this crap in the think tank.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah downstairs, at least we have the whole thing mapped out,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 5: we do think.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: But I wouldn't but but yes, yes, but I would not, like,
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: you know, like I'm very argumentative, as you guys all know.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't like take someone to task for calling and saying,
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: they went to the Super Bowl last year, they should
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: absolutely be treating themselves like they are a Super Bowl team,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: not a team that went to the Super Bowl. They
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 4: were a piece or to it. I wouldn't strongly push
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: back on that. I would disagree, but I understand why
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: as a fan, Well, we just went why can't we
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: go again? You know, I understand that that line.
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 5: Especially, it was like looking at the rest of the AFC, like,
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 5: really hasn't gotten all that much better?
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 2: How About we won the AFC East, we can win
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: it again. How about that? So if that's the case,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: let's go.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: And I just I think something needs to be said
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: that Mike Rabel is a hell of a football coach,
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: and I think you put together a hell of a
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: team last year despite some weaknesses that they had. And
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: I think Drake May is probably the most promising young
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: quarterback in the league right now going into year three.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: So for all the things that we nitpick about their
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: positional needs and what they need, they're starting from a
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 1: really good place right now. And I just I continue
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: to believe in the program that he's established and the
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: coaching job that he's going to do with Josh McDaniels
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: on the offense, with Drake developing, it's not like you're
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: starting from scratch or I get that maybe it's not
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: a piece or two away, but you sure aren't as
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: far as a way as you were two or two years.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: Brabel's like ability to have like a vision for how
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 5: players fit into the into the scheme that they're going
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 5: to run, and how they're going to use them all
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: that kind of stuff. Like we're talking about all these
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: free agents from last year. Not all of them are
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 5: Millon Williams, you know, Like some of them are Kiris, Toga,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 5: Roberts Blaine, you know, and like those guys outperform their contracts,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 5: and like what I I'm not saying, like I think
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 5: Draymond Jones is fine, but maybe they think that in
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: our system, with our coaching, with our we're gonna make
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: him have a chase On season where he's guys a
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 5: little bit of a breakout.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: That's another positive piece of what I just said was
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: that you saw guys improve last year. You saw guys
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: get performances that you didn't know you were going to get.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: A guy like Jalen Hawkins who played pretty well, you know,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: Tonga who had a really good year and then earns
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: a three year deal. You don't know what chase On
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: is going to earn. But that to me is incredibly
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: promising that because I don't think we saw that in
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: recent years around here. We didn't see players reach new
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: levels or improving away. If anything, it was in the
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: opposite direction where you didn't get the kind of performances
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: you hope that out of guys. So now I just
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: think that there has to be an underlying sense of
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: optimism based on that season and every year every team
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: is going through what the Patriots are going trying to
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: fill holes, trying to balance the budget, figure all that
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: stuff out.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 7: But you got to coach, you got a quarterback, just
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 7: continue to draft.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Well, this free agency stuff, it's you know, it's it
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: kind of comes and goes.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 7: Like I like what they're doing so far.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: I just wonder too with Vera Tucker, you know, Frank
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 5: Perino and Doc Whale and are two of the best
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 5: of the business at their jobs, Like can they keep
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 5: them healthy?
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 5: Can they keep them on the field.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 4: But maybe maybe.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 5: Maybe the Jets were doing things. Let's face it, it's
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 5: the Jets, right, they don't often do a lot of
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 5: things right, so you know, maybe that's was part of it.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 5: Like maybe they put him on a program and they
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: ramp him up in the training camp and.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: Get them off the pick.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, what kind of chicken. I'm just saying, like these things,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 5: like they were able to keep Morgan Moses on two
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 5: feet for.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Off yep, right, it'll be like you're not using your
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: arms today in practice use your we're protecting arms are short.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 5: So maybe it's like.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Zach and Cincinnati. I know the optics of getting hype
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: for a fullback signing, but seeing Buffalo social media have
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 2: a bit of a meltdown tells me that it's an
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: absolutely home run of an acquisition. Huge upgrade over west Over,
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: excited to see how this translates into our running game.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: I could drink the Buffalo tears as a pre workout
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: that said, is it a J Brown or bust?
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 12: Now?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 5: No, But I'm with you on Gilliam. It's my favorite
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 5: signing really.
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 5: I just I think that schematically, there's a lot of
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 5: different things that you can do with a full back.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 5: I'm pretty like pretty much every single guy that I
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 5: look at as like the great play callers in the
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 5: league use a full back. You know, the way that
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 5: you can create blocking advantages, you know, formations, things like that.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a sneaky good thing, like it's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: a sneaky good thing to have.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: And about the full back world, I saw him and
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: ar Cans going back and forth.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, McDaniel took his full back from Miami and
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 5: brought him with him to the Chargers, like Miami released
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 5: him after McDaniel got fired, and he said, hey, we
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 5: better go get alecld I need him.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: Cohler right like the block the best blocking tight end
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: in the league, as they announced him.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Jim Harbaugh is going to Jim Harbaugh.
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: I guess Trent and Sylvan Lake. He says, I'm glad
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Pierce is back in Indy. Excuse my ignorance, but how
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: does an Alec Pierce type change the way defenses will play?
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: The Patriots defense has already played with deep safeties because
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: of how effective May is with the deep ball. Seems
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: like adding this type of wide receiver would be playing
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: into the way defenses already line up against you. They
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: should focus more on a possession receiver, especially in a
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels offense. A dependable target who will constantly move
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: the chains is extremely valuable. People claim to be clamoring
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: or people seem to be clamoring for a fifty to
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: fifty ball receiver, but May doesn't throw a lot of
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: fifty to fifty balls. May is great at throwing receivers open.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: I was going to say, are there any good possession
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: receivers in the draft? Would who would be a dream
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: target in the draft to add to for dre for May?
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: A tight end, a slot or a wide receiver.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 7: There's my question.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, but what is Drake May's
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: ideal possessions?
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 4: Last?
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Like a possession of receiver? Who's available Stan Diggs?
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: So just on this email here, just schematically Okay, So
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: how do you think that the offense looked in the playoffs?
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: When do you think Stefan Diggs was the same guy
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 4: in the playoffs as he was during the regular season.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: My guess is bet that you would answer that no.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 4: So all of these defenses that are so worried about
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: getting beat deep completely took away your your volume guy
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 4: underneath in the playoffs when when the games mattered. So theoretically,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 4: and I'm not telling you that this would happen, but theoretically,
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 4: Pierce requires more attention than Kaishaan Boody as that outside
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: deep threat, and maybe he does take some of the
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: coverage away from whoever the guy that's filling the Stefan
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 4: Diggs role would be. That's why some people were clamoring
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 4: for quote unquote a fifty to fifty ball guy.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: And people were saying that in that offense, he'd get
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: actually more production in this offense because he'd be more
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 2: the guys.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 4: I would have signed off on the same production. You know,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: give me fifty catches for a thousand yards while occupying
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: the you know, the the deep safeties and let someone
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: underneath saying yeah.
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, people are saying.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 5: I mean it's obviously not at the same level, but
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 5: like it's mass and Welker, right like that, that's that's
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: the the way way you were looking.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: At it is like the question is who's your Welca Right,
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: that's a big question.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: And you know he asked about the draft. There are
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: a number of guys in there. I think like Casey
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 5: Concepcion and Omar Cooper Junior are probably the two most
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: well known ones that are going to be available potentially
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 5: at thirty one. I'm a cacc guy. Omar Cooper Junior
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: is a really good player too, though, really good prospects.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: Like both of those guys were for me to be
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 4: on board with.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: Both guys, yeah, they're they're both good good kind of
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: different but similar at the same time. You know, both
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: guys that can win over the middle of the field,
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 5: that can move the chains, but are a little bit
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 5: more explosive. I would say, like after the catch with
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 5: the ball in their hands a little bit more so
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: I would say he's more explosive. Cooper is a better
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: ball carrier. He's like prefer to bring down. He's got
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: more contact balance distinction there. I like that Concepcion's explosive,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 5: Like that guy can really move.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: Tim and Boston has two questions. First, what are the
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: run blocking for his pass protection numbers for AVT? What's
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 2: his best run scheme fit.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: He's actually you know, well, I mean he only really
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: played in the zone scheming with the Jets, so I
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 5: can't really say he can't do anything else. He just
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: wasn't really asked to do a ton else with the Jets.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: But his best ability as a run blocker is his
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: ability to get out of his stance and get on
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 5: the move, whether that's reaching you know, blocks on the
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 5: line of scrimmage or getting up to the second level
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 5: of the defense combination blocks poles, but mostly reach blocks
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: on the line of scrimmage, where like there'll be a
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 5: guy that'll be inside of him and he's able to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: get around, scoop him and turn him inside out, and
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 5: like those are the types of things that get run.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 5: Gets runs going up the field is when you make
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 5: those blocks on the line of scrimmage. So watching him
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 5: a little bit, like he gets out of his stance
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: really quickly, you know, really has a lot of very
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: good movement skills. I don't think he's a road grader,
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: Like he's not gonna He's not like a big time
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: people mover. But when you think about Wilson Vera, Tucker Campbell,
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 5: like we're talking about a lot of athleticism going left,
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 5: Like that's that's three guys that are high end athletes
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 5: at their position that can really move.
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: His second point is more of a point now a question.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: All of our eggs are in the AJ Brown or
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: Brian Thomas junior basket and other teams know it. As
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: the offseason progresses, we're gonna continue losing leverage in those negotiations.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: My fear is we'll be forced into getting fleeced in
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: a trade or going into the draft with a glaring hole,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: which we've discussed leads to dangerously risky picks. I'm scared. Fred,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: help me feel better.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: No, I get it.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: I mean I feel the same way.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, it does feel like you're kind of obsessed
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: with three guys right now of you know, varying degrees
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: of interest or possibility, And I mean, are you kind
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: of handcuffed right now? And this is this goes back
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: to I think what Rabel said, like, you know, it's
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: hard to get that player in free agency. You need
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: to figure out a way to draft somebody in the
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: first two days of the draft and let them develop
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: into a superstar. It's it's it's hard playing this game
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: every off season where you're trying to find Randy Moss.
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 5: If they went to the draft and wide receiver was
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 5: the glaring number one need I understand, like we've all
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 5: been saying it, they don't have a good history there.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 5: It's scary to think that they would really have the
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 5: all the eggs in that basket. But I am cautiously
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 5: optimistic that there's gonna be guys available that should be
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 5: going in that range of the draft that they would
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 5: be able to select.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like I'm not size that you would
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 4: like that aren't reaches.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And even if like let's say they get to
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: that point in the draft and wide receiver is really
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: this glaring need like there's nothing preventing them from trading
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 5: up a little bit to make sure that they get
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 5: the guy. And you know, maybe that's the more aggressive
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: that they take is where it's move up eight spots
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 5: to make sure that we get Casey Concepci owner, we
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 5: get Omar Cooper Junior, and jump some of the teams
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 5: that are around them that might be you know, like Buffalo,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: I'm thinking, is a couple of spots ahead of them
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: right like they're gonna be a wide receiver team most likely?
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 5: Like so can you leap frog somebody and get one
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 5: of those guys?
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: All right?
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Back to the phones? Eight five five pats five hundred.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: Eldridge is in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred? Hey?
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 9: Tell the hell y'all doing today?
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: Okay, hey, Paul.
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 9: Evan, you did wrong on both Okay, boy Brown and
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 9: who I don't think on A J. Brown? He still
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 9: can get deep, he still get open, and he can out.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 9: He can run past corners. The problem is is Jalen Hurst.
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 9: You wouldn't hit him?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: Who am I? I don't know who we're talking about?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: J Brown?
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 9: A J. Brown? So here saying, well, you don't think
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 9: he still can get open?
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 2: He just didn't get.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 9: No excuse me.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: I think is something like if you're thinking that you're
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: getting a J. Brown to like stretch the field vertically
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: at this stage of his career, that's it's just not it.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 5: I don't see that. Like I think he can win
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: down the field, Okay, Like you can see a guy
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 5: that wins kind of like Booty does with you know,
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: like body positioning, strong hands at the catch point. You
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: know that that's definitely something that he can still do.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 5: I just don't see him like threatening guys with speed
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 5: like he did early on in his career. But he
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 5: definitely can still win the ball down the field. I
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 5: mean he's probably one of the best at that in
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: the league just because of how strong he is and
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 5: how good his hands are.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 9: Can ask you one more question, sure, okay, why do
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 9: we keep want to get the same guy that you
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 9: got on the field. I mean, you got a bunch
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 9: of ke and Omar Coop. You know what you steal guys,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 9: you got them there, you know, why not get ex
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 9: like you said, like Mouston Wilker and just going I
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 9: know we have a hard time with Wolf drafting. But
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 9: like I said, before you got Hurst, you gonna have
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: my boy Chris Brasel at thirty one. But I would
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 9: get Hurst at thirty one to Hurst down it in
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: the fifth round range. But Brassele gonna be there about
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 9: middle of the second. He's just like a J. Pierce
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 9: three or six four, four to three. They can catch
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 9: and he can't block. So I don't understand it, but didn't.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 5: Again either way, we were just talking about replacing digs
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 5: and like not replacing digs with Chris Brasel, But if
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 5: they want to go that direction, I'm all on board.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Like I said that the combine that after he ran
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 5: a four to three whatever it was, I was like, yep,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: this guy, this guy's on the board, give it to me.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 5: But we just were talking Moss and Welker. That still
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 5: doesn't solve your Welker problem. Like you might have you know,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: dollar store Moss, but you know who's Welker.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: Ford and Savannah writes in they need to pull the
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: trigger on AJ Brown a sap else you'd be giving
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: tree May a number one receiver for three years at
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: the age of twenty nine, thirty and thirty one. Trade
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: them this year, second and next year's first and make
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: it your business to make sure that first is as
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: late in the round as possible.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: LFG. I'd do it if they would do.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: That, but I'd rather give the first this year the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: thirty first pick as opposed to I don't know what
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 4: number is going to be, and theoretically a better.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 7: Drought might probably be higher than thirty one.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: But maybe maybe he's thinking Roseman would rather take our
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: next year's one. But either way, he wants two ones reportedly,
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: so that's not going to get it done.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 5: I just I wondered. I don't know if it's the
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: Patriots necessarily, but there's all this minutia with AJ Brown's
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 5: contract and the June first deadline and all this different
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 5: kind of stuff. I just don't know if we're in
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: the right time of year for AJ Brown trade to happen.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 5: So like, does this get revisited when guys sometimes get
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 5: move in like August, like Michael Parsons last year, Like,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 5: do they revisit this entire thing come then when it's
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 5: easier more digestible for Philadelphia to move on from the contract.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: And does AJ Brown start to make a stink even,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: you know, does he want to get out of there.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: I mean we're talking about I hope I have the numbers, right.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 5: I think it's like a forty million dollar dead cap
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: hit if they trade him before June first, And like
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 5: Philly is one of those teams that throws a lot
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 5: of money around, but that's that's tough for any team
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 5: to try to maneuver.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: You have a kind of deal in place and don't
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: get the trigger.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: And so that's sort of what I'm kind of getting at, yeah,
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 5: is like is there a chance that they have a
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 5: framework with a couple of different teams maybe that are
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 5: sort of in the running for it, where they sort
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 5: of all have an understanding of what it's going to take.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 5: But it might just not happen now. It might happen
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 5: in July.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: Or August, right, not ideal because I'd love to see
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: him spend the spring with Drake may Well.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 5: You're all time as possible counting on them at it
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 5: actually going through and it actually like happening, right, and
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 5: like if you put all your eggs in that basket, if.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: You oh, it's happening. Yeah, he misses some ota time,
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 4: but he still can get here for like mini camp yep,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: you know if I mean, if you like again.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: You give him the playbook early.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: But this is a big if, like I don't, we
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: don't know that this is actually happening. But if they've
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: got a framework of a deal and they they you know,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: let's say, ninety five percent sure that they're going to
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: make this deal come June first, it's not It's not terrible.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: That's probably why people need to be a little bit patient,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: because there's a chance you could end up with somebody
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: like Concepcion and then all of a sudden, a j.
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 1: Brown arrives posts Toptember or June first, and now go
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: got the week ago, Yeah, fans oft times in June.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: For the uh Haines in Houston, right, sin be warm.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Prior to Alec Pierce agreeing to terms with the Colts,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: I was just curious about how he compared to our
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five X receiver cation on Booty. While the
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: production from Pierce has clearly been higher, could it be
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: that we just haven't seen Booty's ceiling yet. Here are
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: the few twenty twenty five stats receiving yards per target
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: Booty eleven point nine to eight, Pierce eleven point ninety
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: four percentage of twenty plus pass plays per target Booty
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: two percent, Pierce twenty percent. Catch rate per target Booty
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: seventy two percent, Pierce fifty six percent. Yes, Pierce was
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: first in yards per catch twenty one point three, but
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: Booty was fourth sixteen point seven. Is it possible that
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: we already have our Alex Pierce on the team.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: No, it's a lot of this is pulsing it sole percentages.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: No, it's not possible.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: Really.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 12: No.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: I think they're different players completely stylistically like, and they
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 5: might both kind of get to the same areas of
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 5: the field, but I think they win differently. Like al
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 5: Pierce is a size speed specimen, like he is a burner,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: you know, over the top of the defense. We were
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 5: talking about it a little bit with Aj Brown, Like
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: Kaishan Boody is very good at the catch point and
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 5: he boxes guys out, and he's physical and he's got
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: good hands and good strong play strength. And Alex pears
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 5: to me is like this guy's behind the defense, like
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: he's got that kind of long striding speed.
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: I'd also say that same ability to do what you're
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: talking about that Booty does a little bit.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say that he's probably a better
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: intermediate receiver than Booty, you know, and cuts crossers things
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 5: like that, does that a little bit better because he's
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: got more natural speed to him.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: So he's four inches taller than Boy. Yeah, four inches.
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 4: Finally, there's a little No, I'm not saying he's this
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: good because he hasn't shown that he's that good. But
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: he's kind of a planet player. There are not that
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 4: many guys that run at his size the way he runs. Yep,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 4: And there I think there was the same was it
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 4: the same draft?
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 7: This was Pierce was.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 4: So who you think about Boy? What a he was
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 4: twenty three twenty three, So there's one one year draft
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 4: class difference. Like I mean, it's the whole development thing
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 4: that they I don't know. Pierce might be destined to
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 4: be sort of the one trick pony in that he's
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: going to give you a lot of big plays during
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 4: the course of the season, and that's that's it. Like
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 4: he's fifty for one thousand not going to be you know,
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: seventy five for thirteen hundred, which I think he can be.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: But if he if he isn't, I still think the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 4: fifty for one thousand is better than Booty by a
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 4: Lot by.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 2: Maria Love Booty Maria and Boise Idaho. I don't know
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: what amazes me more that you guys can talk about
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: football at nauseum for hours on end, or that I
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: listened to you for hours on it.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: I mean we only do two? We could we could
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: do this for another two.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 4: Come in the think tank.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, jay in La, I love the Evan is wrong
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: emails about ratio. Ratio is someone gets more likes than
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: the original posts. Example, Drake may is bad thirty five likes,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: ply no he isn't. The Jets suck ratio six thousand likes.
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: I don't care what AI says, stick to football.
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 5: So I think that this is uh. I've discovered that
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 5: I've showed my age a little bit on this one,
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 5: and I am getting a little bit older. Guys, So
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 5: like this happens from time to time. But you know
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 5: us og Twitter users that like started in like twenty ten,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 5: nine twenty ten right around there go by my definition
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 5: of ratio. These new these kids these days are going
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: by this new definition of ratio. But we are the
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: ones that got the platform off the tarmac here right,
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 5: Like we're the yeah, like we're the ones that like it,
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: like kind of got the app rolling. So as you
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 5: get on Twitter, what year I want to say, like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 5: twenty ten.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: So you were late to the game.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 7: I was probably a little bit.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 5: I mean I was like big yeah, Like I was
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: in high school, so I probably didn't even have a
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 5: smartphone until you know, twenty ten.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: I just think you did a poll.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was sixty forty, So anybody who's in
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: the sixty and I was in the forty. But yeah,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: I had to act like idiots completely wrong, Like really
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: there was a significant portion of people that see it
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: the other way, and there's it's.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 4: Not idiots wrong that poll because I had absolutely no idea.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 4: I've never heard the term in my life.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: I've never heard race.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: No, not on Twitter. I just checked November.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 5: When you see like when you see a bad tweet
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, that dude's getting ratio, you're you're
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 5: like looking in the replies.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: Or nobody's liking it's just coming out like what I
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: thought you have. But we were in the minority, because
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: we're all get more minority, not thirds.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 5: Now, there were some people that said it's a big
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 5: gap that we were both right. Yea, that it could mean.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 5: It could mean either thing, so maybe it has double meaning.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 5: It could mean both. I'll concede that.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was April two thousand.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 2: And nine, two thousand and nine, good good dudes.
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: That was way out, Nocember. I thought it was did
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: they have to force you?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 12: What was it?
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 17: What was it?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 12: Like?
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 4: You? Was November twenty ten, and I thought by the
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 4: time I get on it, but you know, it was
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 4: going to be gone. I remember, I'm not I'm not joking.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: I remember might be gone describing it to me and
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like, so what you just post like little bits
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: of text and like, yeah, yeah, just that's what Twitter.
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: I had no concept, and then here we are.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 4: I hated it then and I hate it now.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 7: I'm march O nine, a thought leader.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 5: I love a lot of but I was late.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 4: I thought it was.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 7: I think it was before that. I think blew up.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm going to give credit slash blame. I don't know,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 4: depending on how you take it. The first person that
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: I noticed using this at all was Ian Rappaport. He
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: was very early on Now that doesn't mean he was
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: early for Twitter. He went By the time it gets
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: on my radar, it's probably already an old band.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 9: I was.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: That is the first one that I saw that I was.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: I was at an NFL conference I think was eight
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: and what my friend from the Chargers said, you should
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: get on Twitter so we.
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 4: Can you know, D I mean, you know, I don't
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 4: need to Chargers guys DM.
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 7: Twitter those Chargers.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: But when Rapaport he was, yeah, he was gone by that.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 4: I don't think he was still with the Heralds, but
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 4: there he used to tweet all the time and random
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 4: stuff and I'd be like, what is this?
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: This is like stupid, There's nothing. Uh, the immediacy of
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 5: the news cannot be beat. There's no other platform that
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 5: can beat it for immediacy. The cesspool that has become
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 5: my mentions and people with way more followers than me
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: mentions are even worse.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: That is not great, But that's the one I've one
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 4: good thing of not having a ton of followers.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 2: I always like Twitter better because it's just the simplicity
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 2: and the ease of use.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: There's no question, like a day like it's gold.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 12: It is.
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: What would I do without it?
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 2: On it?
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 5: You know, like if you're like trying to keep up
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: on breaking news, like on a day like yesterday, There's
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 5: nothing better.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: Matthew writes in I see a lot of Pats fans
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: jumping up and down asking for new wide receivers. To me,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: if you can't get a true WR one chain mover,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: they should largely leave the wide receiver position alone. They
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: already have a bit of a log log jam between
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 2: WR two to w R five on the team. Kyle
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 2: Williams has a lot of potential. Let's see how he
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: shakes out first. I don't think any of the guys
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: left in free agency or what the Patriots need at
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 2: wide receiver, I.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 5: Would agree with that in free agency. Now the veteran
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: trade market is a is a totally different animal. But
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: I I've been I know you like Romeo Dobbs.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: But like just stress like yeah, like I'm not going
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: to be like banging the table.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 12: For me.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 5: If the Patriots signed Romeo Dobbs, Like is that Nope,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 5: it's the same as kind of what they already have.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 5: Like maybe he's a little bits.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: Better than what they have, but not like he's not
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: going to be as good as like probably even Digs
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 4: was last year.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: You like, if we're gonna go with the WR numbers,
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 5: if Diggs is a WR one and Booty's a w
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 5: R three. Then Dobbs's a WR two, which is like,
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 5: we got a little bit better, but we didn't really move.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: I just I think they have to make a move.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: I mean next year they have Kyle Williams and Ethnicism
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: are the only two wide receivers on a contract for
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: next year. I mean it's just when you look at
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: the jet like, they they have to figure this position out.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 7: So whether it's A one or whatever it is, they've
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: got to figure it out.
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 4: And at the risk of drawing Fred's eye are here.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: I did notice over the weekend Mike Reese has his
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: you know Sunday notes. Yeah, ten ten, And the premise
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 4: first jumping off point was might there be a switch
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: in the focus instead of you know that top flight
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: wide receiver and free agency, you know, talking about Alec Pearson,
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 4: you know, sort of forecasting that it wasn't going to happen,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 4: Might there be a transition to tight end, you know,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 4: I mean you can fill this role and tight end,
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: And in doing so, he sort of opened up the
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: possibility of you know, like an Isaiah likely or a
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: clonk Wo. Sorry, yeah, but maybe I think he had
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 4: quotes some Steve Smith about tight ends, and then Mike
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 4: sort of talked about it a little bit, and you
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: got to kind of read between the lines a little
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 4: bit when you read Mike. One of the guys he
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: was talking about was Efton Chisholm, and I just wonder
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 4: if maybe they look at him as a potential volume guy.
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 4: I think that would be a huge I see the quickness,
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 4: I see the hands, and I see a really small
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: guy who I can't imagine is going to hold up
• 1:54:30
  Speaker 4: in that role.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: Well, you said that for you know, twenty five years
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: about players.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 4: And two of them held up.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: What do you mean?
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 4: I mean? Amon Doola was constantly I'm not talking about Edelman.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: Browned out and we turned out to be a good
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: wide receiver. Turned out to be.
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 4: They were good players, but they didn't hold up, is
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 4: my point. Welker and Brown were very durable. Welker had
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  Speaker 4: one injury and didn't miss any games because of it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but they all had me, they all had production.
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  Speaker 17: No.
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  Speaker 4: No, I didn't say that they can't play. Yeah, like
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  Speaker 4: I'm not saying can't play at all.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so in three years they will look to replaces
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  Speaker 2: they've had now.
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  Speaker 4: No, no, no, I don't know. I don't think he'll
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  Speaker 4: hold up in a season. I think you'll be looking
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  Speaker 4: to replace Chisholm in week four if you do that.
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  Speaker 7: I just wonder if that's Drake's kind of guy.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I just wonder if he is okay throwing to
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  Speaker 1: smaller slot receivers that we become so accustomed to that Brady.
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  Speaker 7: Loved and you know, we're always that's a good question.
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  Speaker 4: But I think you know, is that that's right?
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  Speaker 5: That's a great and that's a tight end thing, right,
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  Speaker 5: Like if you get Eli Stowers and he's six foot
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  Speaker 5: three and he's got some size and catch radius, but
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  Speaker 5: he still has quickness that he can win at the
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  Speaker 5: top of the route like McDaniels wants him to, but
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  Speaker 5: he's got size like Drake wants. Like is that the
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  Speaker 5: best of both worlds? It's not my thing, but like
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  Speaker 5: maybe that's the way they look at it, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it is instead of like the Edelman Welker mold of
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  Speaker 5: a slot receiver, it's a little bit of a bigger
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  Speaker 5: guy that you might be sacrificing a tiny bit of quickness,
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  Speaker 5: but you're getting the catch radius in the strength.
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  Speaker 2: Brian's in Florida. What's up? Brian?
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  Speaker 10: Hey, good afternoon guys. I am I am not a
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  Speaker 10: a J. Brown guy, but I would love to see
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  Speaker 10: Brian Thomas in a Patriot uniform. Can you just give
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  Speaker 10: us a quick comparison of the two? What are what
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  Speaker 10: are the strength? What are the weaknesses?
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  Speaker 4: Okay? Thanks?
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  Speaker 2: Brian will give you a J. Brown versus Brian Thomas Jr.
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  Speaker 5: H Different players Like Brian Thomas Junior is a vertical
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: go ball artist like that that's his best trick.
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  Speaker 12: You know.
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  Speaker 5: AJ Brown has always been a physical specimen, strong player,
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  Speaker 5: great with the ball in his hands. Uh, you know
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  Speaker 5: that's I think they're different types of players completely. Like
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: I think at this stage of his career, the AJ
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 5: Brown would be more like what you got out of
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 5: Diggs last year.
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  Speaker 2: Is he more at an Kwon Bolton Bolden type of
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: player at this career?
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  Speaker 5: Maybe? I mean I maybe I think he's still pretty
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 5: good with the ball in his hands. I think after
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 5: the catch he's still got because he's so strong, like
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  Speaker 5: so he can just kind of run through tackles and
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: guys just kind of bounce off of him. So I
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 5: think there may be that element of his game is
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 5: a little bit better than Diggs's just ever always was.
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  Speaker 5: But Brian Thomas Junior, like, I'll never like watching him
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 5: run slot fades with Jayden Daniels at LSU Like he
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: just fade, fade, fade like that. That's his number one trick.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: He's very good at it.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, Kyle in North Carolina, you'll lend the show. What's up, Kyle?
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 18: Hey, guys, I have a hypothetical for you. So Trent
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  Speaker 18: McDuffie just got traded for two first rounds, and so
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 18: did Max Crosby. If we could trade Criston Christian Gonzalez
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 18: straight up for Max Crosby, which guy would you rather
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 18: have him?
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  Speaker 4: Trent McDuffie did not get traded for two first round picks?
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 18: Was it just one in something?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 17: Why?
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 4: Don't we only there was a way we could find
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 4: that got traded for two first round picks?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 9: He did?
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was uh yeah, twenty twenty six first overall, First.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 18: Do you think Kristan Gonzalez is worth more than Trent mcduffie' He.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: Might be, but I wouldn't do I wouldn't trade Gonzales
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 2: for MaTx Crosby. I wouldn't do that. I'd keep Gonzales.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was a first.
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah. I mean they're five years apart, right,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 5: Gonzalz is twenty three and Crosby's twenty eight.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: Right, that's my main factor there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I would I would agree with you on that, McDuffie.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 4: I think McDuffie's really good. I think Gonzales, because of
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 4: his size, might be a little bit better.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 5: Duffy's a better playmaker. That's a that's a around the
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 5: ball a little bit.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 4: That's a conversation you'd have to make. Would you make
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 4: that deal for if someone offered you that from for Gonzales.
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 5: Gonzalez is definitely a much better cover player, Like if
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 5: you're just asking him to just go up against one
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 5: on one with a receiver, Gonzalez is much better. Mcduffy's
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 5: got a little bit more of a no for the football.
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 5: He's a little bit better tackler, like you know, that
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 5: type of thing.
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 19: Playing totally different too, Yeah, place inside a lot. Yeah,
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 19: a little bit of matchup problem with that with a
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 19: guy like Gonzales at his age. Sure you get two
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 19: first round picks, but now you've got to replace Gonzales.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: And so they'll even be Christian Gonzalez.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 4: Right, if someone was going to give me two first
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: round picks, I'd do it.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: They're not going to do it, but you're gonna have
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: to use one of them to replace.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 4: Wouldn't keep saying if I didn't want to, if I
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 4: didn't want to give him the contract, I'm saying I would, right,
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: But why wouldn't you get that? Like, that's what I
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 4: don't think you get in two ones for Christian gonzalees me,
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 4: But that's what the Jets got for Sauce. Yeah, I
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 4: don't think that they and I think that's widely panned
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 4: is a terrible trade, Okay, I mean, I just don't
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 4: you think they got a lot of blowback for that trade.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: Well, I think if the point of the caller is
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: that if Max Crosby can get two first rounders, Gonzales
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 2: should be able to, I kind of agree with.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I kind of think of it more like just
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 5: comparing positions, like if Sace Gardner got you two first
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 5: round picks, if I'm the Patriots and I'm even like
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 5: entertaining the idea of trading, hell.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a different art. I'm not trading him for
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 4: anything less than two First, I'm Elliot Wilma.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 5: I'm saying we'll.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 4: Find with that.
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 2: And we're not trading Gonzales, so everyone know, yes and
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 2: we don't want to. All right, that's going to be
• 2:00:17
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