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Jaguars Happy Hour: Thursday, February 24 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: It is Thursday, February. This is check Wise Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: And now a guy who's frequently recommended for the Dunk Tank,
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Speaker 1: Jane peace Shad, Welcome in. It is Jaguars Happy Hour
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday afternoon. Busy show ahead. This was coming
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Speaker 1: up today. J Jeff Lgerman's coming up today Jaguars analysts
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Speaker 1: joins us most every Thursday. NFL scott In Combine coming
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Speaker 1: up next week in Indianapolis. The focus of the NFL
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Speaker 1: world will be an indie franchise tag talk the deadline
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Speaker 1: coming up March eight. Will the Jags make a move there?
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Speaker 1: And we'll go around the NFL. Plenty of news leading
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Speaker 1: into the Combine next week. Jeff Lagoman, Good afternoon, what's up.
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Speaker 1: That's all good man, It's good to be here scouting Combine,
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Speaker 1: right they? I guess they kind of settled their differences.
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Speaker 1: I guess you could say apparently there was a group
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Speaker 1: of players and their agents that did not want to
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Speaker 1: be bubbled. That was originally they were going to be
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Speaker 1: bubbled in the hotel room and only a certain few
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Speaker 1: people could be around the actual players. Well, I guess
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Speaker 1: the agent said, you know what, that's not gonna work.
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna boycott that. I think there was about
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Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty. We're gonna boycott the actual combine,
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Speaker 1: which that's that's sub sizable chunk of of talent and
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Speaker 1: UF well, and I get it. I mean, first of all,
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Speaker 1: I mean, come on, I mean if if look, first
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Speaker 1: of all, I'm not a big fan of all these
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Speaker 1: handlers at the players need Okay, let me just say that,
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Speaker 1: but if you're asking somebody to come there, then shouldn't
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Speaker 1: you essentially make sure that the terms are okay for them.
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Speaker 1: It's because they're not getting aid, they're not union members
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Speaker 1: while they are at the combine, and so this is
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Speaker 1: not a this is not a negotiation here. This is
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Speaker 1: because the players that are invited to the combine are
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Speaker 1: not unionized members. They're not getting paid. So all of
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Speaker 1: these things, and the whole essence of the combine is
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Speaker 1: for the clubs to gather information in one place, to
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Speaker 1: save millions of dollars by doing it in one central location,
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Speaker 1: to bring everybody there so that money doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: be spent to do it all separately or in some
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Speaker 1: other way. So you would think that they should have said, yeah,
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Speaker 1: whatever you need will be more than happy to satisfy
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Speaker 1: some of the things that you're asking for. And so
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Speaker 1: I'm glad that the players got that. I mean, look,
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Speaker 1: if they want to have a nutritionists, if they want
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Speaker 1: to have a personal therapist alongside them, let them have it,
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Speaker 1: Let him have it, as long as it doesn't interfere
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Speaker 1: with what the NFL is asking them to do while
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Speaker 1: they're there. Big deal. So anyway, glad that's results. They're
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Speaker 1: still gonna have to do media, go to the podium,
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Speaker 1: meet with teams, interviews, all these things. So I don't
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Speaker 1: think I think it's a great The NFL combine has
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Speaker 1: changed so much, and it's changed so much because it
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Speaker 1: has become I mean really it's kind of become a
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Speaker 1: spectator sport. It's a prime time spectator store. Yeah, on TV.
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Speaker 1: TV made the the NFL Draft, and the information leading
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Speaker 1: up to the draft is just it's incredible. I mean,
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Speaker 1: everybody wants to be a draft nick. Everybody wants the
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Speaker 1: information on all these prospects. Everybody wants to have a
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Speaker 1: mock draft, and where's your I haven't done I haven't
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Speaker 1: done it. I'll probably do one and I won't do
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Speaker 1: a complete first round. Maybe I will, well, you can
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Speaker 1: do it all the way to thirty three to ja there.
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Speaker 1: Maybe I will, maybe I will, But it's uh, but
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Speaker 1: it's pretty cool that this has become a very popular thing.
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Speaker 1: Back years ago, when when I went there, it was, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to be one of these
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Speaker 1: old guys. You know, way back when when I went
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Speaker 1: it was it was just a little bit simpler. You
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Speaker 1: went there, you went through the medical check, you did
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Speaker 1: the physical testing. There was a few guys at that point,
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Speaker 1: some of them that opted not to work out for
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Speaker 1: whatever reason, but mostly everybody went that. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: were there, they didn't I don't think there was ever
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Speaker 1: anybody that really refused to go to the combine in
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Speaker 1: my era. But there might have been some quarterbacks that
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Speaker 1: didn't throw. There might have been some that didn't run
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Speaker 1: the forty because of a medical reason or something of
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Speaker 1: that nature. But it still happens today some too. You
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Speaker 1: guys opt out of certain things. But Bucky Brooks made
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Speaker 1: a pretty good point yesterday on the Huddle Up podcast
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Speaker 1: that you know, if you have a really good time
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Speaker 1: of the combine, like forty time or testing numbers, you
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Speaker 1: don't do anything else. You don't have to run at
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Speaker 1: the pro day and do all this, and if you
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Speaker 1: have a subpart time or one you don't like, or
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Speaker 1: some numbers you don't like, you have a chance at
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Speaker 1: least later to correct them at the pro day. Correct.
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Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's an important piece of it. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's it's it's just a piece. It's a piece, that's
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Speaker 1: what it is. It's a piece of the puzzle. And
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Speaker 1: and there's a lot, a lot more that goes on there,
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Speaker 1: just besides the most important thing about the combine is
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Speaker 1: the physical check. It's the actual physical It's when the
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Speaker 1: doctors are literally checking joints and checking past injuries and
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Speaker 1: checking your body. The medical check. That's that's the by
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Speaker 1: far the most important thing that they do there. And
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Speaker 1: everybody else is attracted to the part that makes for TV,
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Speaker 1: which is the forty time, the broad jump, the high jump,
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Speaker 1: et cetera, and some of the interview process and getting
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Speaker 1: players up at the podium. But in reality, the real
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Speaker 1: value of the combine is none of that. The value
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Speaker 1: of the combine is the medical check, which that's not
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Speaker 1: They don't film that, they don't show that. It's the
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Speaker 1: X rays, it's the m r s. It's the poking
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Speaker 1: and the prodding and everything else and uh. And when
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Speaker 1: I went to the combine, I didn't really have any expectations,
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Speaker 1: and it's obviously very different. Now we have guys that
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Speaker 1: literally they have workout regimes that are completely tailored for
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Speaker 1: the combine so that they can max out and do
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Speaker 1: their best at the combine. When prior to the combine,
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Speaker 1: when I was there, we had guys that when we
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Speaker 1: kind of knew what we were going to be doing,
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Speaker 1: so we wouldn't completely cater our workout towards that, but
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Speaker 1: we would practice some of that stuff that they literally
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Speaker 1: have now personal trainers that have an entire workout system
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Speaker 1: geared towards the combine, I mean sprinters, showing them how
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Speaker 1: to actually sprint, how to get out of the know,
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Speaker 1: how to how to run smooth without shaking, and minimizing
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Speaker 1: any kind of movement that may they take me away.
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Speaker 1: I know all about a faster but it was it
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Speaker 1: was interesting to it to combine because it was a
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Speaker 1: little bit more of the wild wild West when I went.
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Speaker 1: When when I say that, I mean from the standpoint
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Speaker 1: of there was a little less control on the environment.
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Speaker 1: So at the hotel you had. Everybody had their own room,
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Speaker 1: et cetera. And NFL personnel were sprinkled throughout. But it
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Speaker 1: wasn't like they had security and keeping people out. I mean,
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Speaker 1: there were unscrupulous agents and women on their arms that
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Speaker 1: were meant to attract these players to them. Hey, come
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Speaker 1: to my room. I mean it was I'll never forget
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Speaker 1: that some guy. I don't remember how we were how
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Speaker 1: it came about, but some guy kind of came up
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Speaker 1: to me and he had a beautiful woman on his arm,
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Speaker 1: and he's talking to me. Hey, I'm an agent, you know.
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Speaker 1: And it was me and about four other guys, and
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Speaker 1: there was a couple other guys that were with me
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Speaker 1: that were considered much higher prospects than I was, because
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Speaker 1: I wasn't really considered a first round kind of prospect
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Speaker 1: at that time yet. And uh so they're trying to
8:10
Speaker 1: you know, he's trying to lay his spiel on us,
8:13
Speaker 1: you know, on me and the other guys that I
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Speaker 1: was with and represented at the time. Or no. Yeah,
8:18
Speaker 1: I had an agent, but I mean we didn't have
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Speaker 1: a sign contract or anything of that nature. And and
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Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. We're sitting there in this kind
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Speaker 1: of sitting area and this agent is talking to us.
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Speaker 1: And the whole time that the agent is talking to us,
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Speaker 1: and you could tell that, I mean, he was on something.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it just it just wasn't normal in the
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Speaker 1: entire time. JP. This beautiful woman is looking me up
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Speaker 1: and down. I mean like JP, like up and down. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I get it. Yes, we got a question, Joe. Yes,
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Speaker 1: she she probably did have a Yeah, she's probably mine.
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Speaker 1: But it was it was you could tell that it
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Speaker 1: was just a total circus. I mean, I guess that's
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Speaker 1: the only way I can put it. But she was
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Speaker 1: doing the same thing with other guys, and it gave
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Speaker 1: you the kind of gave the impression that she was
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Speaker 1: essentially a prostitute. They're designed, and that was actually they had, seriously,
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Speaker 1: they had an issue with that at some of the combines.
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Speaker 1: You remember her name, Im, it's been a while. I
9:31
Speaker 1: didn't know. I remember, No, I didn't. I didn't never
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Speaker 1: went any further than that. Okay, I can tell you this.
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Speaker 1: There were some other guys at the combine that I
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Speaker 1: did see them around that agent, and it was I
9:44
Speaker 1: don't know where it went. I'll just leave it at that.
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Speaker 1: So all right, We'll say this the Back in those
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Speaker 1: days also, there were fifteen or twenty media people that
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Speaker 1: went to this thing, some writers, and that was about it, correct,
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Speaker 1: And we didn't talk. We didn't talk to any of them. Right,
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Speaker 1: They would have to chase people down on the street.
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Speaker 1: There was no organized media center. Now there are. I
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Speaker 1: think I was told the other night over eight hundred
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Speaker 1: credential media for this event alone, right, And and it's
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Speaker 1: and I think that's probably the one aspect that has
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Speaker 1: changed is that now you get another opportunity to evaluate
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Speaker 1: these prospects as far as how they handle the media,
10:23
Speaker 1: because they're put up at the podiums. Back in the day,
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Speaker 1: we didn't have podiums. We didn't talk to the media,
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Speaker 1: but there were plenty of one on one opportunities to
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Speaker 1: where you you were asked to go, hey, can you
10:37
Speaker 1: so and so with the Chicago Bears, are so and
10:39
Speaker 1: so with the Pittsburgh Steelers wants to talk to you?
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Speaker 1: Can you come down to room X number at such
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Speaker 1: and such a time? And you did. It's so much
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Speaker 1: more structured now as far as the interviews, the amount
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Speaker 1: of time they're allowed to be interviewed, etcetera. It was
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Speaker 1: a little bit more intimate back in the late eighties.
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Speaker 1: And but the wild thing is is that the core
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Speaker 1: of the combine has not changed. It's just a lot
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Speaker 1: of the ancillary things around the combine have changed. But
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Speaker 1: as far as the testing that you're doing, the medical check,
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Speaker 1: the UH interviews with teams, it's it happened before, it
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Speaker 1: happens now it's a little bit more structured. But it's
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Speaker 1: pretty wild how that really hasn't changed much after all
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Speaker 1: these years, and it had, you know, going all the
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Speaker 1: way back to long before me. I like, the last
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Speaker 1: time I went was about four years ago. And in
11:33
Speaker 1: that time, there's a hotel right across the street from
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Speaker 1: the convention center that used to be the old train station.
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Speaker 1: They have these you know, kind of train car hotel
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Speaker 1: rooms in the middle of it, and then on the
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Speaker 1: side regular rooms. That's where the teams set up for
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Speaker 1: the interview portion. And they at that time at least
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Speaker 1: blew like a horn every so fifteen minutes was the
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Speaker 1: the amount of time you had the interview. And then
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Speaker 1: guys will rotate. You have somebody bring them around, and
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's court you're rolling. We didn't have
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Speaker 1: we din't we didn't have none of that. None of
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Speaker 1: that happened back in the late eighties. It was more
12:05
Speaker 1: of a one on one kind of a thing. There
12:07
Speaker 1: was no structure, There was no time limits. If you
12:09
Speaker 1: want to talk to somebody, so you just made a
12:11
Speaker 1: phone call to that person's room or with his representative
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Speaker 1: and you they arranged a meeting with you. I met
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Speaker 1: with Marty Schottenheimer and Carl Peterson at that time, they
12:23
Speaker 1: were the brain trust of the Kansas City Chiefs UM
12:26
Speaker 1: and numerous other organizations. But I remember that one pretty
12:29
Speaker 1: distinctly because Marty was was such a strong personality and
12:35
Speaker 1: uh and it was, you know, fun, fun to talk
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Speaker 1: with him. And I was kind of a fan of
12:39
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs because I had a couple of
12:41
Speaker 1: former UVA guys that played with the Chiefs, and obviously
12:45
Speaker 1: a big fan of watching some of the things that
12:47
Speaker 1: they they were able to do defensively. Of course, another
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Speaker 1: part of the combine week coaches and general managers speak
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Speaker 1: with the media, and being a couple of weeks before
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Speaker 1: the start of the league year and re agency, it
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Speaker 1: is a big moment to kind of figure out which
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Speaker 1: what organizations UM directions might be and certainly the Jaguars
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Speaker 1: are in that case this year with a lot of
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Speaker 1: question marks, a lot of new faces of what it's
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Speaker 1: going to be. So I think the schedule is Tuesday
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Speaker 1: to hear from Peterson and Balky at the podium in Indianapolis. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know how much more that they
13:26
Speaker 1: would be able to add from what especially we just
13:29
Speaker 1: heard a lot from from Doug Peterson. We're gonna, you
13:32
Speaker 1: know what, We're gonna read some tea leaves logs in
13:35
Speaker 1: the next week or so. That's how that's how it happens.
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Speaker 1: You you dissect every part of the transcript. Oh did
13:41
Speaker 1: they mean this? Are they gonna en franchise this guy?
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Speaker 1: Are are are they gonna draft this? That means they're gonna draft.
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Speaker 1: The reality is that when I say when I say that,
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Speaker 1: there's probably not gonna be a whole lot more new
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Speaker 1: information that's going to be able to be gleaned from
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Speaker 1: that interview at the combine. I say that because most
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Speaker 1: teams and organizations can be and they're not trying to
14:03
Speaker 1: be evasive, they're just trying to protect some of their
14:06
Speaker 1: information because you don't ever want to let your game
14:08
Speaker 1: plan be known prior to free agency, etcetera, because you
14:11
Speaker 1: want to be able to surprise some people in some
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Speaker 1: particular way. But I think it will be interesting from
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Speaker 1: the standpoint that Doug Peterson and Trent Balky will have
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Speaker 1: had some time to organize and work with their stats,
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Speaker 1: work with each other, and so some of the conversations
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Speaker 1: about the dynamic that's going to be existing between those two,
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Speaker 1: and then who knows, maybe an e v P will
14:37
Speaker 1: be named by the Jaguars by that period of time,
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Speaker 1: and so that dynamic will be introduced, I'm sure to
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Speaker 1: the line of questioning. So there there will be some interest,
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Speaker 1: I think from that standpoint. But you're not gonna find
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Speaker 1: out who they're gonna draft at, you know, at the
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Speaker 1: combine by by talking to them. A lot of works
14:57
Speaker 1: still to be done between now and the draft night,
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Speaker 1: and this already nations a little bit behind that, a
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Speaker 1: lot of things to do, I mean, you know, typically,
15:05
Speaker 1: I mean if staffs and organizations that have already been
15:08
Speaker 1: set with you know, general manager and head coaches in place,
15:10
Speaker 1: I mean when the season ended, they were already they
15:12
Speaker 1: were already working towards this organization. Uh took what fifty
15:20
Speaker 1: days to name their new head coach bulpark Ish and
15:24
Speaker 1: so and then you know this, It took a little
15:26
Speaker 1: bit of time for the staff to be to be
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Speaker 1: formulated and signed and then so okay, now the work
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Speaker 1: evaluation parts. So I mean, this organization is staff and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure Doug would maybe argue against us somewhat, but
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Speaker 1: the reality is they're behind where I'm sure some other
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Speaker 1: organizations are. They're playing a little bit of catch up.
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Speaker 1: And now will they be able to kind of say
15:47
Speaker 1: at some point, okay, yeah, we are caught up. Sure
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Speaker 1: they are. We'll be able to do that. I don't
15:51
Speaker 1: know at what point that will be. That'll be up
15:52
Speaker 1: to them, but at some point they will be caught
15:55
Speaker 1: up and they will be up to speed. The dailies
15:58
Speaker 1: place schedules starting to fill out for the spring and
16:01
Speaker 1: summer logs. A W Dynamite coming up on March second,
16:05
Speaker 1: and then the concerts began in April. Brothers Osborne, well, Dirk,
16:09
Speaker 1: Tim McGraw, plenty of shows coming up in spring and summer.
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Speaker 1: Daily's place dot com for all the information. I guess
16:18
Speaker 1: he'll be a Tim McGraw show. Brothers Osborne is pretty
16:21
Speaker 1: good too. Now that's a that's a Uh, those two
16:26
Speaker 1: probably draw my attention as well as a w Dyning.
16:30
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I could see you as like a wrestling
16:34
Speaker 1: you know, as a wrestler. I might pick up a
16:37
Speaker 1: career in wrestling. I need to talked to Tony just
16:40
Speaker 1: somebody that can hook you up with that. Yeah. Yeah.
16:43
Speaker 1: If I can come flying off of the top rope
16:46
Speaker 1: like Jimmy super Fly, you can do anything. Once. What
16:50
Speaker 1: was your favorite wrestler all time? Hogan? But besides him,
16:55
Speaker 1: everybody like everybody supposed to hack saw Jim Duggan. He's
16:58
Speaker 1: pretty good, pretty good. We need to go to break.
17:02
Speaker 1: We'll come back. We'll let you think about it. We'll
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Speaker 1: come back with that. Um and Press Taylor offensive coordinator
17:07
Speaker 1: as well, Bob Backlin, same from the past, Lord's Happy
17:12
Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguards Digital Network. Obviously, Coach Peters and
17:21
Speaker 1: I can speak the same language having been in the
17:23
Speaker 1: same offense for five years. Um. And then you know,
17:26
Speaker 1: Andrew Bryner is even a guy that worked with us
17:28
Speaker 1: for a year there. Nick Williams worked with us there,
17:30
Speaker 1: so we can speak the Philadelphi Eagles language. Um. And
17:33
Speaker 1: then really one of the ties is kind of Peyton
17:36
Speaker 1: Manning where Mike McCoy's work with Peyton Manning, Jim Bob
17:38
Speaker 1: Cooter's work with Peyton Manning. Frank Reich had worked with
17:40
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning. Frank was with us in Philly. So we
17:43
Speaker 1: can all myself, Mike McCoy, Jim Bob Cooter, we can
17:47
Speaker 1: kind of speak a certain language based on what I
17:49
Speaker 1: did in Indie and what those guys have been familiar
17:50
Speaker 1: with with Peyton. So there are some unique ties that
17:53
Speaker 1: kind of bring people together. And as long as we
17:56
Speaker 1: can initially speak the same language, we can work well
17:58
Speaker 1: together and then we'll come up with what our languages
18:01
Speaker 1: so we're all on the exact same page as we
18:03
Speaker 1: move forward. That's Press Taylor, Jaguar's offensive coordinator, visiting with
18:07
Speaker 1: John Osier on the ozone podcast. We'll hear from Mike
18:10
Speaker 1: Caldwell coming up on another edition. They will be out
18:13
Speaker 1: today and tomorrow on the Official Jaguars Podcast Network. J P. Shadrick,
18:19
Speaker 1: Jeff Lagerman, Brent Reeber on the video side. Joe Fortunado,
18:23
Speaker 1: you heard from him earlier on the audio side. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and then a new language. Uh Yeah. There's a lot
18:30
Speaker 1: of a lot of people around the quarterback in this
18:34
Speaker 1: coaching staff, right the O C passing game coordinator, quarterback coach,
18:39
Speaker 1: assistant quarterback coach. Oh yeah, and the head coach. But
18:43
Speaker 1: they gotta have that one language, as Press Taylor said there,
18:47
Speaker 1: and uh, it seems like they're pretty confident they can
18:50
Speaker 1: get that together among the coaches who've had some history together.
18:54
Speaker 1: And I think the focus is obviously making Trevor Lawrence
18:58
Speaker 1: be the best that he can be. But when you
19:00
Speaker 1: have that many proven entities, because a lot of those
19:05
Speaker 1: guys are proven entities, you have to make sure and
19:10
Speaker 1: ensure Doug Peterson does to make sure that it's not
19:13
Speaker 1: too many voices trying to speak to Trevor Lawrence because
19:17
Speaker 1: when you start to have, you know the old saying,
19:20
Speaker 1: too many chefs in the kitchen can ruin a meal.
19:22
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that is true. I think that's
19:24
Speaker 1: very true, and you need to make sure that you
19:26
Speaker 1: have I don't want to say the one voice, but
19:29
Speaker 1: you have to have one voice speaking to him. It
19:32
Speaker 1: can't be and it's not one person so per se,
19:36
Speaker 1: but it's one voice as far as everybody has to
19:39
Speaker 1: be on the same page. And you do not do
19:41
Speaker 1: not want to have five different coaches that are trying
19:44
Speaker 1: to mentor Trevor Lawrence. That's that's just not good. It's
19:48
Speaker 1: just too much. So I think it will be I
19:50
Speaker 1: don't want to say it will be a little bit
19:51
Speaker 1: of a challenge. I think it. Doug will make sure
19:55
Speaker 1: that that does happen. But it is nice that they
19:59
Speaker 1: have so any different people with the experience level that
20:02
Speaker 1: they have that I don't think there's any question that
20:06
Speaker 1: this will be an offense that will utilize the personnel
20:10
Speaker 1: that they have and will be creative in a lot
20:13
Speaker 1: of different ways and utilizing that personnel because there is
20:17
Speaker 1: a wide range of experience, press Taylor being one of
20:20
Speaker 1: the most inexperience, but he's got a lot of great
20:23
Speaker 1: guys that he can really kind of lean on to
20:27
Speaker 1: be a first time offensive coordinator. Big question, of course
20:33
Speaker 1: coming up on the offensive line. We've talked a little
20:36
Speaker 1: bit about this, but there's some some big money contracts
20:40
Speaker 1: in that line that um on the interior, especially Lender
20:44
Speaker 1: could be back norwell as I think the free agent
20:48
Speaker 1: coming up. UM, what's gonna happen at left tackle? Right
20:51
Speaker 1: tackle didn't have his best season last year, and then
20:54
Speaker 1: there was all the changes at right guard last season.
20:57
Speaker 1: This could be a different looking. Line would say, oh,
21:00
Speaker 1: it could be very different looking. I mean it could
21:02
Speaker 1: be really really different looking. I think a lot of that.
21:06
Speaker 1: You'll you'll get a little bit of a sample of
21:09
Speaker 1: how different it could be once free agency starts were
21:12
Speaker 1: actually before free agency starts. Because what happens with Cam Robins?
21:15
Speaker 1: Are you gonna tag him? Are you not? That's uh so,
21:19
Speaker 1: here's the number on it. So for Cam Robinson, the
21:22
Speaker 1: tag number this year is right around sixteen and a
21:24
Speaker 1: half million dollars, right, But for Cam it's to be
21:27
Speaker 1: the second time tag, so it's undred of last year's salary,
21:33
Speaker 1: So basically it's the same number. It's right around the same,
21:37
Speaker 1: just over sixteen and a half million dollars. If you
21:39
Speaker 1: tag him again and it's the higher of those two
21:42
Speaker 1: numbers or what the normal tag number would be this year,
21:46
Speaker 1: they're pretty close either way. For me, uh, I'd like
21:50
Speaker 1: to see him back. I think I think you have
21:54
Speaker 1: the greatest thing that you can do with any position
21:58
Speaker 1: group is to create great competition. And you know, and
22:01
Speaker 1: you can't in some cases, you can't worry about what
22:04
Speaker 1: the numbers are, so to speak. You just need to
22:07
Speaker 1: find a way to create that competition. You have two
22:11
Speaker 1: guys that are already under contract in Walker Little and
22:15
Speaker 1: then also Jowan Taylor right tackle, and so if you're
22:19
Speaker 1: able to retain Cam Robinson, now you create three guys
22:24
Speaker 1: that have two starting positions open. So now you try
22:27
Speaker 1: to figure out what's going to be the best situation
22:30
Speaker 1: and get the best two guys, the best productivity that
22:33
Speaker 1: you can get out of both of those positions with
22:36
Speaker 1: those three guys. And I've said this in the past
22:39
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with it. I really
22:42
Speaker 1: believe this. I think Cam Robinson can be the best
22:45
Speaker 1: right tackle in football, and I believe he can be
22:47
Speaker 1: a really good left tackle. I don't know, and I'd
22:51
Speaker 1: like to know what Walker Little could be at right tackle,
22:54
Speaker 1: because you'd like to find out what's the best combination
22:57
Speaker 1: for this team. I think the best domination is to
23:00
Speaker 1: create competition for that right tackle spot, regardless whether it's
23:04
Speaker 1: Walker a Little going to right tackle compete with Juwan
23:08
Speaker 1: Taylor for right tackle, or is that moving Cam to
23:10
Speaker 1: right tackle and letting Juan compete for playing time period
23:14
Speaker 1: maybe at right tackle or somewhere else. I don't know
23:16
Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I do know the answer
23:19
Speaker 1: that competition makes everybody better all the time. And this
23:22
Speaker 1: this situation, this offensive line that needs to get better.
23:27
Speaker 1: And then obviously Evan Needels right there, available at the
23:31
Speaker 1: top of the draft and has been mocked a lot
23:33
Speaker 1: of times to the Jaguars so far, the Alabama left tackle.
23:37
Speaker 1: So you know, if you feel like he's the guy,
23:40
Speaker 1: then you know the business might change in the next
23:43
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. We could. I mean, so then you
23:45
Speaker 1: could say, okay, well we're gonna take that sixteen million
23:47
Speaker 1: and maybe go find a wide receiver or that sixteen
23:51
Speaker 1: million that could have been allocated to a Cam Robinson
23:53
Speaker 1: coming back. But I've always believed and that the only
23:57
Speaker 1: way that you get better as a football team is
23:59
Speaker 1: not by sub traction, it's by addition. And if you
24:02
Speaker 1: don't keep Cam, that's subtraction. And you can't look at
24:05
Speaker 1: it and say, well, hey, look we're gonna get the
24:06
Speaker 1: kid from Alabama. He's gonna be able to walk right
24:08
Speaker 1: in and just be just as good as Cam. And
24:10
Speaker 1: that may not happen, but you do have to have
24:13
Speaker 1: a plan with that. But again, I like to create
24:17
Speaker 1: competition with addition and uh, and I think it's gonna
24:21
Speaker 1: be very interesting to watch, and we should have a
24:23
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of where it's gonna be heady because
24:26
Speaker 1: of what's the first day of what's the first colendar
24:29
Speaker 1: day of the league year, which free agency we're talking
24:34
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks away here, which is not far
24:36
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be able to find out here pretty
24:38
Speaker 1: soon what's gonna be happening. Then there's the interior of
24:40
Speaker 1: the line question marks too. I mean, what's gonna happen there?
24:44
Speaker 1: He's coming up free agent, is a free agent pay
24:47
Speaker 1: and Lender? You know, there's all that well, and that's
24:49
Speaker 1: the we set it in the past, and that if
24:52
Speaker 1: you if you want to keep Brandon Lender. And look,
24:55
Speaker 1: I love Brandon Lender. I like him as a player,
24:57
Speaker 1: I like him as a person. I like a lot
24:59
Speaker 1: of things about Brandon Lender. Been a very good leader
25:01
Speaker 1: for this football team. He when he's been available, he's
25:04
Speaker 1: been really good. The availability has had some issues over
25:09
Speaker 1: the course of the last four or five years, and
25:11
Speaker 1: so Shatley has always kind of been that when you
25:15
Speaker 1: sign Lender, and then you look at signing the one
25:17
Speaker 1: and if that's one A, then one B is trying
25:19
Speaker 1: to keep somebody's a really good quality backup in that Shatley,
25:22
Speaker 1: who I think somebody should sign in free agency and
25:25
Speaker 1: make him the starter. I think he's pretty good player.
25:27
Speaker 1: He's not better than Lender, but he's been available, and
25:31
Speaker 1: so I think it will be interesting to see where
25:35
Speaker 1: this organization ends up going in that direction. Could they
25:38
Speaker 1: in fact go into the draft. Kansas City did it.
25:42
Speaker 1: I mean they completely revamped their offensive line completely and
25:47
Speaker 1: partly through the draft with arguably one of the best
25:52
Speaker 1: rookie players in all the football this past year. The
25:54
Speaker 1: young man that they got it was really good. I
25:57
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. It was the center's name for
25:59
Speaker 1: kanas City. Key drawn a blank. Yeah. Um, So there
26:05
Speaker 1: you have it. There will be a lot of this
26:06
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. It will get busier, all the
26:09
Speaker 1: headlines and things will come out of the combine and
26:12
Speaker 1: then one thing start start happening. They have got to
26:15
Speaker 1: find some weapons on offense. Just throw the ball with somebody.
26:21
Speaker 1: I mean, they have to find impactful players on the offense. Defensively,
26:25
Speaker 1: They've got to find a way to get and whether
26:28
Speaker 1: this be through the draft or whatever, they got to
26:30
Speaker 1: find a way to affect the quarterback. They weren't able
26:33
Speaker 1: to do that consistently enough. And there's definitely a the
26:36
Speaker 1: pieces in the middle of the defensive line are weak.
26:40
Speaker 1: We'll get to defense coming up. I was told Treed Humphrey.
26:43
Speaker 1: Is that who who was offensively? I think so, yeah,
26:46
Speaker 1: there you go. Thanks Joe Fortunato with the assistant with
26:49
Speaker 1: the computer, Yes, the Google machine. We're back at a
26:53
Speaker 1: moment and defensive talk affecting the quarterback. Big part of
26:58
Speaker 1: what the Jaguars need to get done on defense will
27:00
Speaker 1: here from Mike Caldwell, also the Jaguars defensive coordinator. Renewed
27:04
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27:24
Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. That's the thing.
27:32
Speaker 1: We want to go out there. We want to be aggressive.
27:34
Speaker 1: We want to play aggressive style defense. Want to attack
27:38
Speaker 1: the offense and make them adjust us and understand what
27:41
Speaker 1: they're doing and just be able to go out there
27:42
Speaker 1: and have fun and fly around and make place how
27:45
Speaker 1: closely or how much I guess the question is did
27:49
Speaker 1: you talk to Todd about defensive coordinator responsibilities and what
27:53
Speaker 1: do you expect the transition? Uh, maybe the biggest challenge.
27:57
Speaker 1: I think we've were together so long. I was able
28:00
Speaker 1: to understand some us the role and now being put
28:06
Speaker 1: into that role. Just understanding that you know, you have
28:10
Speaker 1: a plan, betailed, detailed about it and goes back to teaching.
28:13
Speaker 1: I'm able to teach my coaches what I know, what
28:16
Speaker 1: I want to get accomplished, and then we'll all teach
28:18
Speaker 1: that to the players. And if you communicate and get
28:21
Speaker 1: everybody on the same page, success will come. That's Mike Caldwell,
28:24
Speaker 1: Jaguars defensive coordinator visiting with John Osier. Who you heard there.
28:29
Speaker 1: It's on the ozone podcast today and tomorrow on the
28:32
Speaker 1: Official Jaguars podcast network and the I Heart Radio app.
28:37
Speaker 1: J P Shadrick, Jeff Logerman this Jaguars Happy Hour, you know,
28:43
Speaker 1: and he mentioned Todd there. Todd Bowles is who they
28:45
Speaker 1: were speaking of, the defensive coordinator in Tampa Bay. And
28:49
Speaker 1: by the way, I think Todd Bowls should be a
28:50
Speaker 1: head coach in this league. I really do um I thought.
28:56
Speaker 1: I thought he did a really good job, and with
28:59
Speaker 1: his previous opportunity and then I was with a bad organization,
29:03
Speaker 1: didn't really get an opportunity to kind of finish the job.
29:06
Speaker 1: And sometimes you've got to have the right players to
29:09
Speaker 1: make things work. But I've always liked him. I've always
29:12
Speaker 1: kind of been a fan of his from AFAR, and
29:15
Speaker 1: so I appreciate that Mike called Well has learned a
29:17
Speaker 1: lot from him, because I think he's a really good coach.
29:20
Speaker 1: Their defenses they got, they got. That's some really good talent.
29:25
Speaker 1: But what I like about what they do is that
29:28
Speaker 1: they don't try to be too cute and that they
29:32
Speaker 1: allow the players to to utilize there their skills and
29:37
Speaker 1: their talents, and they put players in a position to succeed.
29:41
Speaker 1: And what a lot of people say, what does that mean? Well,
29:44
Speaker 1: if a guy is good at doing A, you don't
29:47
Speaker 1: ask him to do B or C or D. You
29:50
Speaker 1: put him in a position to do A as often
29:53
Speaker 1: as you can. And that's what the kind of coach
29:55
Speaker 1: that Todd Bolts has always been and Mike called Well,
29:59
Speaker 1: I've always watched him more from his playing days. Don't
30:03
Speaker 1: know much. I don't know a lot about him as
30:05
Speaker 1: a coach because I haven't been around him, but I
30:07
Speaker 1: knew that when he was a player, he was a
30:09
Speaker 1: really good football player, solid football player. His days from
30:13
Speaker 1: the Browns, I thought he was really solid, and obviously
30:16
Speaker 1: when they made the transition over to Baltimorrow, I thought
30:18
Speaker 1: he was still really good player at that point. And
30:22
Speaker 1: uh and so I think it's great for him. It's
30:24
Speaker 1: a great opportunity for him. I also like the fact
30:27
Speaker 1: that they have Bob Sutton still on staff. They kept him,
30:30
Speaker 1: and that's somebody that the head coach has had some
30:33
Speaker 1: experience with. In Kansas City, when Doug Peterson was there,
30:37
Speaker 1: Bob Sutton was a defensive coordinator. Bob Sutton been around
30:39
Speaker 1: a long time, and when you have a first time
30:42
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, I think it's very important that you have
30:44
Speaker 1: somebody that's on that side of the ball that has
30:47
Speaker 1: a little bit of experience that hey, look, when you
30:49
Speaker 1: get in a situation, hey, experience matters. And when you
30:54
Speaker 1: don't have that experience to be able to bounce ideas
30:57
Speaker 1: off of somebody that does have experience, I think that's
31:00
Speaker 1: incredibly important. So I think it's a real good situation
31:03
Speaker 1: for Mike to be able to succeed in and obviously
31:05
Speaker 1: need to get some more talent on that side of
31:07
Speaker 1: the ball. And with the draft picks and free agency
31:09
Speaker 1: and the cash cap room you got is you should
31:12
Speaker 1: be able to do that. He mentioned he wanted to
31:14
Speaker 1: be aggressive, have an aggressive defense. What does that mean
31:17
Speaker 1: to you? Well, I think it depends on the personnel.
31:19
Speaker 1: I mean, you always want to be aggressive, and you
31:20
Speaker 1: can't be aggressive. A lot of people sometimes misinterpret being
31:25
Speaker 1: aggressive as that we're gonna be blitzing, We're gonna be
31:28
Speaker 1: like Buddy Ryan of We're gonna send one more than
31:31
Speaker 1: they can block every single time. And what does that do? Well?
31:35
Speaker 1: That leaves you a little bit delinquent in your coverage.
31:38
Speaker 1: If you look at Todd Bowles, that's a four man
31:40
Speaker 1: rush defense, that's what they like to do well they have.
31:43
Speaker 1: It helps when you have Sue and Vita Van, Jason,
31:46
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul, and Shack Barrett exactly. So being aggressive means
31:52
Speaker 1: is that I think in a lot of times, is
31:54
Speaker 1: being aggressive with the personnel that you have, so that
32:00
Speaker 1: will dictate the type of defense and and anybody that
32:04
Speaker 1: is worth a grain AsSalt in the in the coaching
32:06
Speaker 1: profession will utilize the personnel because it's never about system.
32:11
Speaker 1: It's never about Hey, my defense is the best. We're
32:14
Speaker 1: gonna make it work. Well yeah, I mean some of
32:16
Speaker 1: your ideas might be the best, but you also have
32:20
Speaker 1: to have the personnel to execute. And when you don't
32:23
Speaker 1: have the personnel to execute, sometimes you have to do
32:26
Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. Giving a perfect example, Dave McGinnis,
32:30
Speaker 1: who was a long time defensive coordinator defensive coach in
32:34
Speaker 1: the National Football League, was a head coach with the
32:36
Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals for quite a few years, and when when
32:39
Speaker 1: I was doing games for Fox Television, Dave was always
32:42
Speaker 1: one of my favorite guys to talk to because he
32:44
Speaker 1: was just he was very enlightening and I still love
32:47
Speaker 1: talking to him now. He's the color analyst for the
32:49
Speaker 1: Tennessee Titans radio broadcast that they do for every game,
32:54
Speaker 1: and he always used to tell me that at the
32:56
Speaker 1: time when he was the head coach of the Cardinals,
32:57
Speaker 1: he would say, hey, look, I said, what your game
32:59
Speaker 1: plan is week day? And he say, look, Jeff, you
33:01
Speaker 1: know you know what we got. We we just we
33:03
Speaker 1: gotta trick it up a little bit. We just we
33:05
Speaker 1: can't manufacture our pass rush with four, so we're gonna
33:08
Speaker 1: get creative. Okay, what does that mean he said, Well,
33:12
Speaker 1: he said, we're gonna try to do it and try
33:14
Speaker 1: to do it mostly without risking ourselves in the back end.
33:17
Speaker 1: So they're gonna send four guys that maybe the offense
33:20
Speaker 1: doesn't expect because the four guys that they have trying
33:24
Speaker 1: to rush on a regular basis, or that the offense
33:26
Speaker 1: would be expecting aren't good enough to win consistently enough.
33:30
Speaker 1: So he would say, we got to trick it up.
33:32
Speaker 1: But I think those are the type of things that
33:34
Speaker 1: coaches can be aggressive by by sending different guys but
33:38
Speaker 1: maybe not sending more than they have and then leaving
33:42
Speaker 1: your coverage in a delinquent situation. Miles Jack looks to
33:47
Speaker 1: be key on this defense yet again, um, you know,
33:51
Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what it's going to look like yet.
33:54
Speaker 1: There's still a little early in that world. But Miles
33:57
Speaker 1: has been moved all over this defense over years. And
34:01
Speaker 1: what do you think of his play overall last season?
34:03
Speaker 1: I don't think very much of it. I think it
34:05
Speaker 1: was very good. No, I don't think he was terrible,
34:07
Speaker 1: but I don't think that. Typically, what you always want
34:11
Speaker 1: to have is that you want to have the play
34:14
Speaker 1: commensurate with the pay, and in football that rarely happened
34:17
Speaker 1: because sometimes you have guys that are outperforming their contract, right,
34:21
Speaker 1: like you've had with a young running back last two
34:23
Speaker 1: years ago, I guess now, and with Jay rob And
34:27
Speaker 1: then you have some guys that are underperforming their contract
34:30
Speaker 1: because maybe you got them in free agency and that's
34:33
Speaker 1: just the market in order to get them. They can't
34:35
Speaker 1: play well enough to match the dollar amount that they're getting,
34:38
Speaker 1: and that's kind of sometimes that happens. That's understood with Miles,
34:42
Speaker 1: who was a guy that you signed before he got
34:45
Speaker 1: the free agency. When you have a guy in that situation,
34:48
Speaker 1: you would always like to have them out performing their contracts. Still,
34:53
Speaker 1: and I think the defensive change affected him. His His
34:56
Speaker 1: perfect defense that he's played in so far was being
34:59
Speaker 1: the w side linebacker in a four three defense and
35:02
Speaker 1: when he didn't have to call the place, that's the
35:04
Speaker 1: best situation that he's been. That's when he excelled. When
35:09
Speaker 1: they had him calling plays and playing the mic wasn't
35:12
Speaker 1: as good when they had him last year not calling
35:15
Speaker 1: the plays. Eventually, they took a little while to figure
35:18
Speaker 1: that out, and then playing in that three four defense,
35:21
Speaker 1: it wasn't the best that he was at. I mean,
35:23
Speaker 1: look at the insulin. When I say, look at the numbers,
35:26
Speaker 1: Look at the numbers that Miles Jack has when from
35:29
Speaker 1: a standpoint of okay, not just tackles, but the other numbers, sacks, interceptions,
35:36
Speaker 1: tackle for losses, passes, defense caused fumbles, recovered fumbles. Look
35:42
Speaker 1: at those numbers and tell me what they tell you, right,
35:48
Speaker 1: I mean, he's more impactful when he was in that spot.
35:52
Speaker 1: That's my point. Those are the numbers. Those are the
35:56
Speaker 1: numbers in the categories around the football, numbers that you
35:58
Speaker 1: need to have if if you're paying somebody a bunch
36:01
Speaker 1: of money and he's gonna be one of your best players,
36:04
Speaker 1: those categories have to be filled up with some numbers.
36:08
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that he has to, you know,
36:10
Speaker 1: have five or six in every category, but you gotta
36:13
Speaker 1: have got to have some numbers in those categories, and
36:16
Speaker 1: and last year he did not. Let's ben argue that
36:21
Speaker 1: the other that the other linebacker played better Wilson. Wilson,
36:30
Speaker 1: you could make that argument. That Damien Wilson played better
36:32
Speaker 1: last year and he was a guy that you got
36:34
Speaker 1: off the street and free agency on what a one
36:36
Speaker 1: year deal? Right? Was he a one year deal? Let
36:39
Speaker 1: me look, But my point being is that it's coming
36:42
Speaker 1: off of a couple of runs with Kansas City. So
36:45
Speaker 1: let's look. It wasn't like he was a high priced
36:48
Speaker 1: free agent. No he was not. Yeah one year deal? Yeah,
36:52
Speaker 1: too many bucks? Two million bucks. So you couldn't you
36:55
Speaker 1: could make the case that Damien Wilson played better than
37:00
Speaker 1: Miles Jack last year, or at least played as an
37:04
Speaker 1: equal if you compared the numbers. Okay, that's not what
37:10
Speaker 1: you're looking for. And so I think Miles, Miles has
37:13
Speaker 1: to and I like Miles. I think he has to
37:15
Speaker 1: take a step up this year. If this defense is
37:18
Speaker 1: going to take a step up, he has to be
37:20
Speaker 1: a part of those taking a step up. Let's come back,
37:24
Speaker 1: We'll take a live look at the construction of the
37:26
Speaker 1: football building. Let's become a Thursday tradition. You're not they're
37:30
Speaker 1: not messing around on, No, they're moving on. We're gonna
37:33
Speaker 1: do a time lapse, like you know, save all these pictures.
37:35
Speaker 1: And if they're working on that. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah,
37:39
Speaker 1: we'll come back. We'll do that. We'll go around the
37:40
Speaker 1: NFL also including uh saying goodbye to somebody leaving the
37:46
Speaker 1: NFL and going back to college. We'll find out in
37:49
Speaker 1: a moment. It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network,
37:58
Speaker 1: the station that Jaguars listen to ten ten x OL,
38:03
Speaker 1: home of the Jetsonville Jaguars. Jaguars Happy Hour coming down
38:11
Speaker 1: the stretch on Thursday, and if you're watching on Jaguars
38:15
Speaker 1: dot Com and Jack's social media, it's a live look
38:19
Speaker 1: at the Football Performance Center site. They continue to move dirt,
38:24
Speaker 1: more and more dirt being moved by the Day's a
38:28
Speaker 1: lot of dirt, a lot of got there and drive
38:31
Speaker 1: some of that equipment out there. I think you'd be
38:33
Speaker 1: qualified for that. You have some experience with that. I
38:36
Speaker 1: do up on the farm. I do. It would be
38:38
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Would be like playing in the
38:40
Speaker 1: sandbox as a kid, but other this time. Instead of
38:42
Speaker 1: having the fake Tnka toys, the old metal school, old
38:45
Speaker 1: school ones, you got real ones, but Tonka trucks. Yeah.
38:49
Speaker 1: I was a big Tonka truck guy. By I think
38:51
Speaker 1: Dad still has mine, does he? Really where you're plastered.
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Speaker 1: I think they were metal. The metal ones were the
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Speaker 1: old school man, they were money. So oh, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of work going on and it started literally the
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Speaker 1: day after the final game. They roped off to the
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Speaker 1: field and now they're tearing one of them apart. That
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Speaker 1: will be the footprint of the football Performance Center scheduled
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Speaker 1: to be open for business and training camp of show,
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Speaker 1: some decisions to be made of the off season program
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Speaker 1: and where all that's going to be. But welcome back, Jaguars,
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Speaker 1: Happy r J P. Shadrick with Jeff Lackman, and hey,
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Speaker 1: let's go around the National Football League. Let's do that.
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Speaker 1: Let's reports today that Troy Aikman could be headed to
39:36
Speaker 1: ESPN to join Monday Night Football. Well, Al Michaels was
39:41
Speaker 1: expected to head to Amazon Prime for Thursday Night Football,
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Speaker 1: and the word was that Aikman was going to join
39:48
Speaker 1: him there for kind of a superstar pairing in the booth. Well, Aikman,
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Speaker 1: I guess, is headed to ESPN. No official word yet.
39:56
Speaker 1: There's no word yet on play by play. That would
39:58
Speaker 1: also shake up the rest of the both on Monday
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Speaker 1: Night Football and sending those analysts elsewhere. So you got
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Speaker 1: Troy Igmen competing against Peyton and Eli. So it's a
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Speaker 1: quarterback battle because of ESPN two and ESPN. Tony Romo,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is making eighteen million dollars a year
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Speaker 1: at CBS, and you can expect the number to be
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Speaker 1: close to that. I'm sure for Troy, Oh yeah, I mean, uh,
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Speaker 1: Troy has been around a long time. I enjoy listening
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Speaker 1: to Troy. I think he does a really good job
40:29
Speaker 1: of presenting the game from a quarterbacks I and uh
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Speaker 1: and Tony Room I think is entertaining and some other
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Speaker 1: aspects as far as the way that he sees the game,
40:41
Speaker 1: the way that he tries to predict certain things. Um,
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Speaker 1: he makes it fun and uh. Sometimes he is grossly off.
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Speaker 1: But but that can happen when you're playing the guessing
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Speaker 1: game in a broadcast. But but I like, I like,
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Speaker 1: I enjoy both of them. I think they both do
40:57
Speaker 1: a really good job in the entertain Now. I will
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Speaker 1: a this, there's nobody in today's in today's game that
41:05
Speaker 1: surpasses Chris Collinsworth in my eyes, I think Chris colin Worth.
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Speaker 1: Collinsworth has a great understanding of a couple of things. One,
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Speaker 1: he has a great understanding of the big picture of
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Speaker 1: the league as a whole. I think he does a
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Speaker 1: great job of big picture game analysis of a game,
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Speaker 1: but then he can also break down plays from an
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Speaker 1: individual standpoint and be pretty accurate. And I was not
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Speaker 1: a big fan of Chris Collinsworth years ago. I thought
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Speaker 1: he was a little bit uh demeaning. I think he
41:37
Speaker 1: talked down to the audience at times. But I think
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Speaker 1: now he's a wonderful broadcaster for a wonderful analyst, and he,
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, he should be getting paid the most.
41:48
Speaker 1: Well's this kind of fallback phrase. It's here's a guy.
41:52
Speaker 1: That's what he always starts with. Here's a guy. He
41:55
Speaker 1: does a great job. He does, he does, he's smooths,
41:58
Speaker 1: he's just he's so moves and efficiency with words is
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Speaker 1: so important as a broadcaster, and I think that's what
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Speaker 1: al Michaels is so good at just it's just amazing
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Speaker 1: at that. And as an analyst, you never expect the
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Speaker 1: same efficiency out of an analyst, But man Collinsworth is
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Speaker 1: as efficient with his words as anybody that's in the business.
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Speaker 1: Let's move to Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers. The saga
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Speaker 1: continues with the Packers quarterback. He posted on Instagram the
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Speaker 1: other day logs, I know you're all over Instagram. Yeah yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: probably follow him. It was seemingly a goodbye to players
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Speaker 1: and people around him in Green Bay. The next day
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Speaker 1: of the Pat McAfee show, he said that he hadn't
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Speaker 1: come to a decision yet. I didn't. I didn't view
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Speaker 1: it as a goodbye. I didn't read it on Instagram,
42:45
Speaker 1: but I read about it, and I he was just
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Speaker 1: being very thankful. He said that he underwent like an
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Speaker 1: eight or a nine day cleanse. Okay, what exactly that
42:54
Speaker 1: consists of, I really don't want to know. But somehow
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Speaker 1: he came out on the other side with a lot
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Speaker 1: of deep thoughts. You know. So I'm kind of reminded
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Speaker 1: of the Saturday Night Live skit deep thoughts. Okay, Jack Handy,
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Speaker 1: was that what it was? So anyway, thanked the girl
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Speaker 1: friend that he broke up with as part of those
43:22
Speaker 1: deep thoughts. And so once I got past that, I'm like, Okay,
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Speaker 1: what exactly were you cleansing out of your body? But
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Speaker 1: also what were you putting in your body? At the
43:35
Speaker 1: same time, m Well Packers GM spoke this week. Also,
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Speaker 1: it said that he never promised Rogers that he would
43:43
Speaker 1: trade him after season. He was asked about that. That
43:46
Speaker 1: was very clear back then there was no promise made.
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Speaker 1: So the saga continues, and uh, you know, I would
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Speaker 1: guess fairly soon you might hear something else out of
43:58
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Why not it did that? That's gonna be.
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Speaker 1: I mean, this all season with Aaron Rodgers and how
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Speaker 1: cryptic he can be. What's the situation in Green Bay?
44:10
Speaker 1: And then you add in the Tom Brady watch. Is
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Speaker 1: he retired or is he not retired? Is he just
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Speaker 1: trying to implement his freedom and free agency so that
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Speaker 1: he can go play in San Francisco. I mean, it's
44:21
Speaker 1: just like, okay, well, I mean that's just a it's
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Speaker 1: a never ending kind of a drama situation with that,
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Speaker 1: and Tom Brady has earned the right to do whatever
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Speaker 1: he wants. Speaking of Tom Brady and drama, He's gonna
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Speaker 1: be acting. He'll be playing himself in a movie titled
44:40
Speaker 1: eighty for Brady. It's a football themed road trip movie
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Speaker 1: and it's set to begin production this spring. He'll produce
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Speaker 1: the film and it starts. Get this list, Lily Tomlin,
44:51
Speaker 1: Jane Fonda, Rina Moreno, and Sally Fields. Not a big
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Speaker 1: fan of Jane Fonda. Four women will try able to
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Speaker 1: see Brady play in the Super Bowl fifty two is
45:02
Speaker 1: the plot line. And back a couple of years ago,
45:05
Speaker 1: he created one Productions and that will help him make
45:09
Speaker 1: the film. What does one nine productions mean? That's his
45:15
Speaker 1: draft number? Exactly? Wanted you want to just say that
45:18
Speaker 1: because a lot of people don't know that. So he's
45:21
Speaker 1: gonna be in the movie and then producing the movie.
45:23
Speaker 1: You got TB twelve okay to his company that uh
45:27
Speaker 1: you know, he's got fitness thing productions. Look, he's a
45:32
Speaker 1: smart guy. He's gonna be highly successful football. If you've
45:36
Speaker 1: got all those things, he'll be highly successful at whatever
45:39
Speaker 1: he chooses to do. Now that the challenges for him
45:43
Speaker 1: is can he be more successful than Roger Stallback? That's
45:49
Speaker 1: tough now Roger Roger got it done. After football, Roger
45:53
Speaker 1: Stallback has been the most highly successful quarterback post playing
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Speaker 1: career that has ever been in the National Football League,
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Speaker 1: highly highly successful businessman made millions. And I think Roger
46:11
Speaker 1: Stallback's net worth is gotta be somewhere in the is
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Speaker 1: he is he over two hundred million? Now three million?
46:19
Speaker 1: I mean, it's It's something that's just amazing and that
46:23
Speaker 1: most guys essentially associate quarterbacks net worth with what they
46:29
Speaker 1: made as a as a player. But Roger Stallback didn't
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Speaker 1: make a whole lot of money as a player. So
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Speaker 1: stall Box started the real estate commercial real estate business
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Speaker 1: in the late seventies. Country was done, and it sold
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Speaker 1: apparently in two thousand eight for six million dollars. And
46:46
Speaker 1: he was the sole proprietor of that company. So that's
46:52
Speaker 1: pretty good, thank you, pretty good living. That's the challenge
46:55
Speaker 1: for Tom Brady. Pretty good, Listen. I don't know if
46:57
Speaker 1: you can reach that one. One more note, Brian Flores
47:00
Speaker 1: says he declined to sign a dolfin separation agreement so
47:04
Speaker 1: he could speak out on the treatment by the team.
47:06
Speaker 1: And Flores told Bryant Gumble on HBO's Real Sports all this.
47:10
Speaker 1: He left millions of dollars on the table, but granted
47:13
Speaker 1: him the freedom to talk. So that will be ongoing
47:16
Speaker 1: as we move ahead. Now. He did get hired by
47:18
Speaker 1: the Steelers and Mike Tomlin hired him, that's right, And
47:21
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin hired him as a senior defensive assistant, which
47:26
Speaker 1: I think Brian Flores should still be head coach in
47:28
Speaker 1: the National Football League. I thought he was doing a
47:30
Speaker 1: really good job in Miami. There was a power struggle
47:35
Speaker 1: that was happening between him and the general manager, and uh,
47:40
Speaker 1: that's kind of what many people believe, and he lost
47:43
Speaker 1: out and it's unfortunate. I don't know exactly what's gonna
47:47
Speaker 1: come of some of the accusations that he's made, but
47:52
Speaker 1: there certainly will be a day in court for all
47:55
Speaker 1: of that. And if some of the accusations proved to
47:59
Speaker 1: be correct act especially about Mr Ross, the owner of
48:04
Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins, it will not bode very well for
48:07
Speaker 1: him and his future ownership of the Miami Dolphins. Let's
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Speaker 1: finish with Rams. Tackle Andrew Whitworth, who was the Walter
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Speaker 1: Peyton Man of the Year, had a fantastic speech at
48:19
Speaker 1: the NFL honors the other week. By the way, happy
48:21
Speaker 1: for him, he now has a Super Bowl ring. Well,
48:24
Speaker 1: he's getting advice from all kind of people about his
48:27
Speaker 1: possible retirement from the NFL, including a phone call from
48:30
Speaker 1: the Great One, Wayne Gretzky lives nearby. They are friends.
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Speaker 1: He's been thinking about retiring, still leaning that way, he said,
48:39
Speaker 1: but well, Gretzky said that winning multiple championships is even
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Speaker 1: better than just one. So he's trying to talk him
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Speaker 1: into staying with the Rams, But it sounds like Whitworth,
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Speaker 1: at least from his words, is still leaning towards calling
48:52
Speaker 1: it a career. That's pretty good advice. Yeah, I think
48:56
Speaker 1: that's the That's the coolest thing about that is that
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Speaker 1: Wayne Gretzky actually calls hme up and says, hey, man,
49:03
Speaker 1: come on back for another one, which, of course Wayne
49:05
Speaker 1: Gretzky probably has a little bit of a personal interest
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Speaker 1: in that because he's a he's an l A guy,
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Speaker 1: l A fan. He wants to see the Rams continue
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Speaker 1: to have success. But that had to be probably a
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Speaker 1: cool moment for for Whitworth in that, and he still complained, Now,
49:24
Speaker 1: this is not a forty year old left tackle that
49:28
Speaker 1: was is given a job and there's some young man
49:32
Speaker 1: that can play way better than him. He's still a
49:34
Speaker 1: good football player. He still is excellent and past protection.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't do a whole lot as far and as
49:40
Speaker 1: far as moving guys in the run game, but he
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Speaker 1: still can protect the blind side of a quarterback exceptionally well.
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Speaker 1: And could he do it again if he wanted to
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Speaker 1: at the age of forty one. Absolutely, he could larch.
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Speaker 1: Great show. We'll be with you next week. They'll be
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Speaker 1: at the Combine and End. Ashland Sullivan will host next
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Speaker 1: week's show. On Thursday, Joe Fortune Brent Reaverer for Jeff
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Speaker 1: flogging in a week off. I mean, I don't know
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Speaker 1: about that. I'm J P. Shadrick and it's Jaguars Happy
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Speaker 1: Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network