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Is Donald Trump the Anti-Christ? | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 29 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  There's a whole generation of young men that that want to be
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  courageous. They want to be married, they
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  want to be heterosexual, they want to have a family.
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  They want to start a business. They want to lead people to
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  Christ. They want to do something.
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  And then Charlie gets shot and then the pastors say nothing and
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  a bunch of them are don't vote or vote for Kamala Harris.
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  And then these men show up at the church and this is the
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  craptastic garbage that we're feeding a generation of young
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  men. And it pisses me off because
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  it's the first time in 50 years that we've seen young men flood
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  into church and they want to know Jesus and they want to get
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  activated and they want to be men of God, and they get this
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  crap. So to a lot of Christians or
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  people who know the Bible well and believe in it, these
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  predictions in both the Old and the New Testament, and there are
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  others, seem to fit what we were watching.
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  Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors,
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  mocking the God of gods, and exalting himself above them.
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  Could this be the Antichrist? Well, who knows?
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  At least that's my conclusion. Who knows?
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  We're also told repeatedly in the New Testament that you're
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  not gonna know that Jesus will return like a thief in the night
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  and and you better be ready because you can't predict it.
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  But we're also told there are signs.
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  And is this one of them? Well, again, unclear.
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  Well, Pastor Mark, our favorite Middle Eastern payroll
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  gentleman, Tucker Carlson, is calling Trump the Antichrist.
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  It is. While he recently apologized for
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  misleading voters on voting for Trump and called him a slave to
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  neocons, he is, yeah, just full out attack on President Trump
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  and hates him and now is accusing him of being the
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  Antichrist. And you actually have the
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  theological backing to give us. Is that true?
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  Is it possible? Is Tucker on to something?
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  Is Tucker crazy? Yeah, So just for those who
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  don't know me, so I, I got saved reading the Bible as a Christian
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  at the age of 19. And then I've got a master's
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  degree in Bible that's, and I preached through or taught
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  through now like 40 of the 66 books of the Bible verse by
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  verse. And so I'm a Bible guy.
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  That's just me. And so I appreciate when
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  somebody's asking a question about the Bible gives an
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  opportunity for Bible teachers to weigh in.
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  So that's great. Part of the problem that we're
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  seeing, and then I'll get into exactly what the Bible says
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  about the Antichrist is we're seeing people that are pretty
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  well known and have platforms and then they become Christians
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  and they're kind of working out their theology in real time, but
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  their followers are following them and then treating them more
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  like a pastor who's kind of discipling them, which is not
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  the way to do it. You want to.
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  I mean, even when the Apostle Paul got saved, he disappeared
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  for a few years, got his head on straight, and then he emerged to
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  start preaching and teaching. And so it's good to take a
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  little time and it's good to be under godly spiritual authority.
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  Have a pastor who knows the Bible.
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  And before you start sort of speculating, make sure you know
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  what you're talking about. So what he's talking about is
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  the Antichrist and 2nd Thessalonians 2 speaks of the
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  man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction who
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  opposes, exalts himself against every so-called God or object of
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  worship, so that he takes his seed in the temple of God,
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  proclaiming himself to be God. I mean, I'll get into all the
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  details, but he says he's God. Well, President Donald Trump has
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  never said he's God. Do you not remember that when I
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  was still with you, I told these things and you know that the
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  what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his
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  time? The mystery of lawlessness is
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  already a work. So here it's talking about the
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  Antichrist in 2nd Thessalonians 2.
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  And those who want to look it up, it's verses 3 through 12.
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  And this concept of lawlessness, it is 2 parts, It is anti or
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  against, and then Namia or law. And so this concept of being a
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  Antichrist against God and his laws, I've got it here in my
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  notes from when I preached it. And there's a whole sermon at
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  realfaith.com. I did all of 1st and 2nd
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  Thessalonians and there's a whole sermon, I think it's
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  called the man of lawlessness on this.
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  But this concept, this word appears 13 times in the New
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  Testament, 4 times. It's right here in Second
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  Thessalonians. And so here's the marks of the
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  Antichrist apostate, the the time of rebellion.
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  There'll be people who are denying Christ in large numbers
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  but still professing to be Christians #2 There'll be many
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  counterfeit Christ. Jesus talks about this in
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  Matthew 24. He says false Christ.
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  So they're saying I'm Jesus, I'm Jesus, I'm Jesus.
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  They're not #3 The Antichrist, also called in the Bible, the
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  man of lawlessness will arise. First John 218, second John 17,
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  first John 2:22, first John 43, all talk about this Antichrist.
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  And so man of lawlessness and Antichrist is most likely
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  referring to the same person. And so, you know, it's a common
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  theme in the New Testament, especially with Paul, especially
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  with John, but based on 2nd Thessalonians 2, three through
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  12, here's the here's the marks. Number 1, He is the man of
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  lawlessness and the son of destruction.
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  So it's a human being. It's not some AI or
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  extraterrestrial, though they could be involved #2 He, quote,
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  opposes and exalts himself against every so-called God or
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  object of worship as President Trump founding a religion in
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  devotion to himself. Answer no #3 He, quote, takes
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  his seed in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.
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  Now, there's a big debate about this, whether or not this is
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  metaphorical or literal. But has President Trump
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  reconstructed the temple on the Temple Mount in Israel and given
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  him a seat in the middle of it? Answer no #4 He will no longer
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  be held back by the restrainer, which is probably the person and
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  work of the Holy Spirit #5 he, quote, brings the activity of
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  Satan with all power, false signs and wonders.
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  So you're looking at counterfeit signs, wonders, and miracles.
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  Well, are we seeing around President Trump, You know,
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  people being healed and the dead being raised and the blind
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  seeing and counterfeit, supernatural, miraculous
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  activity? Answer no, we're not seeing
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  that. Number six, He brings quote,
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  wicked deception for those who are perishing because they
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  refuse to love the truth and be saved.
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  Is he preaching a false gospel and taking people away from
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  Jesus? No, actually, we know a lot of
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  you were just in the White House.
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  We know a lot of people in the faith office and now the faith
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  office is actually part of the White House.
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  It's not like, you know, down the street in the janitor's
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  closet, it's some secondary government building and you can
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  argue and fight the people on the White House faith council.
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  They love Jesus, man. I mean, we know him personally.
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  Well, and most of the people in office in the White House are
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  very devout Christians, like Bible thump and Christians.
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  Well, you've got Speaker Mike Johnson, a very articulate
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  Christian. You've got Senator Marco Rubio,
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  He's very articulate Christian. You know, Secretary of War Pete
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  Hegseth, articulate Christian. JD Vance, articulate Christian.
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  I mean, yeah. It was interesting.
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  So you know the very we were talking about this recently.
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  Claude is incredibly woke. Woke AI.
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  Like Claude is woke and he woke. Yep, woke and he woke.
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  So I asked Claude right before we jumped into this, 'cause I, I
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  have this idea and I'm like, OK, what?
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  What is woke AI think? Has president, has there been
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  any president in the last 100 years that it's done more for
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  Christianity than President Trump?
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  And the answer is objectively no by the woke AI is like no.
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  And here's the list of all the things President Trump has done
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  to hold the door open for Christians.
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  First president to be at a pro-life rally.
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  First president to put the faith office there.
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  Get rid of Roe. Like, he has done a lot for
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  Christians and objectively more than any president in the last
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  100 years. Yeah, and and within that,
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  whether or not he's a devout Christian or an articulate
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  Christian, he's not Antichrist. Antichrist literally means
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  remove and replace it. It is remove Christ and replace
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  Christ with self. That's not what we're seeing.
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  Just the last few #7 he quote leads the condemned who did not
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  believe. You know, is there a, is there a
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  large number of people who you know, are are rallying around
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  President Trump to form a cult? No, in fact, the true
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  Christians, we we disagree when he's wrong, but we support him
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  because it's better than the option.
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  And you don't need to be the pastor in chief, you just need
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  to be the commander in chief and leave freedom for the church to
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  stay in its lane and do its job. And then the last one is well #8
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  the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus
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  will kill with the breath of his mouth and bring to nothing by
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  the appearance of his coming. How do we know it's truly the
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  Antichrist? Jesus returns and smokes him.
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  Yeah. And it's like, well, so I mean,
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  this is what happens when you have a a shallow understanding
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  of the Bible, but a large platform.
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  Oh it's like a kid in kids ministry that just got saved
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  trying to discern the prophecies of the Bible.
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  It's like, well, you, you need to go to church for 10 years
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  before you start deciding what a prophecy is fulfilled.
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  What I wouldn't and what I would say to everybody is just go to
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  2nd Thessalonians 2 and just read it.
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  I mean, it's all there. And within this, you know, is
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  President Trump the Antichrist? No, now the Antichrist will be a
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  powerful world leader and and President Trump is a powerful
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  world leader. So, but you know, I mean, there
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  are other powerful world world leaders, doesn't mean that
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  they're the Antichrist either. And so, yeah, within this, it's,
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  it's a speculation and it's based upon a couple of things
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  that, you know, the president puts on Truth Social 1.
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  He says, why I thought I would look like a doctor.
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  And the Christians are like, no, actually look like Jesus, like,
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  sorry, take it off The other one.
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  You know, Jesus is embracing him.
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  And then they're speculating like, well, I don't know, is the
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  president saying, you know, I hope Jesus is with me and for
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  me, I I hope Jesus is with and for him.
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  Hope he's not, you know, hope Jesus isn't against our
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  president. But again, this is where to go
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  from, you know, maybe a questionable post on Truth
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  Social to the Antichrist. Because what you're doing then
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  you're putting President Trump in the same category as Satan
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  and you're putting him in the same category as Judas Iscariot.
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  So Judas Iscariot was an Antichrist.
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  So the Bible says that there are many antichrists and there's a
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  spirit of Antichrist and then there's the Antichrist.
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  So right now, like North Korea is ruled by an Antichrist.
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  You know, Iran is ruled by an Antichrist.
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  You know, the head of Planned Parenthood is an Antichrist.
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  I mean, there are many Antichrist and it's all
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  operational by this demonic power and spirit of Antichrist.
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  But then there is one who is the Antichrist and it's an
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  individual who has a lot of power, but then is filled and
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  possessed not just by demonic power, but saved himself.
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  And that was Judas Iscariot. So Judas is the son of perdition
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  and literally Satan enters his heart to betray Christ.
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  And so Judas is a foreshadowing. He's a, he's a little picture of
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  what the Antichrist will be like.
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  And so to go to the president of the United States and say he's
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  like that, you're basically saying he's worse than Judas
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  Iscariot because Judas is a little picture of the Antichrist
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  that is coming. And you're saying, OK, so our
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  president is worse than Judas. And what you're doing then
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  you're saying that the man is potentially evil, demonic.
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  And then the problem becomes it's morally necessary then to
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  to stop him. And we keep getting
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  assassination attempts because if somebody is possessed by
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  Satan and the Antichrist need to be stopped, need to be stopped.
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  And and so this is what happens then.
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  And we even saw with the most recent shooter, like he is using
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  Christian language and justification for the attempted
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  murder and assassination of the president.
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  And so you put these together and it's like, be responsible if
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  you have a platform, if you're saying there is potentially the
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  Antichrist possessed by Satan who will bring in the last days
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  and destroy the earth. If some kook believes that
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  they're like, well, then I need to shoot him to save the world.
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  And that's where we are. Yeah, 100%.
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  And yeah, I, I feel like as a pastor witnessing Trump,
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  everybody's like, is he saved? Is he not saved?
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  I, I I don't think any of us can answer that question.
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  The Lord knows whose or his. That's what the Bible says.
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  But as a he's a very confident and sometimes arrogant man
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  that's very good with his words. And he always fumbles a bit
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  around are you going to heaven? Are you do you love Jesus?
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  And he always is like, well, I've messed up so much in my
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  life. I'm I'm not going to heaven like
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  and he kind of makes a joke out of it.
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  Like he's usually very good with his words around Jesus.
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  He he he struggles because I, I think he knows there's a power
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  above him and something that he doesn't know if he's good enough
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  to go to heaven or if if a relationship with Jesus is good
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  enough for him. Like he seems like a guy in
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  process always with it of like I'm I'm not fully confident that
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  I'm a Christian and that's most Christians are you you say if if
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  you're wondering if you're. If you're worried about going to
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  heaven, you're probably a Christian.
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  But then we see, like Franklin Graham writes him a nice letter
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  saying it's not by your works, it's by the work of Jesus, the
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  grace of God that you are saved, you know, repent of sin, receive
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  Jesus as Savior, does a great job, as Franklin always does.
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  And what does the president do? He posted online with no edits
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  or modifications. And he basically takes his
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  platform to allow Franklin Graham to proclaim the gospel to
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  the nations. And you're like, well, that's
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  cool. That's cool.
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  And I don't think the Antichrist is trying to promote Franklin
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  Graham's evangelism. 100% I don't think the Antichrist, like
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  on Easter he's reading the Bible in the Oval Office for the whole
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  world to see two years before it was transvisibility day with
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  Biden. Like things have gotten better,
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  things have gotten better. So Pastor Mark the Antichrist.
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  Why are Christians so obsessed with identifying this person?
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  You know, I mean, it's like gambling, It's like sports.
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  It's like we don't know what it's going to be, you know?
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  And so we're trying to speculate, we're trying to
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  anticipate. There's always been Christians
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  that get enamoured with the end times.
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  And I think particularly in this day with an older generation of
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  boomers that are more dispensational, it's just like a
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  part time hobby. Like if you're a Bible nerd,
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  some people live in different parts of the Bible.
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  The end Times people are this eccentric little tinfoil hat
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  crowd that tend to live there and but at the end of the day,
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  when Jesus returns, we don't know.
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  There are some events that seem to precede his coming.
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  But when he comes, our goal should be to be busy doing the
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  things that he is assigned and called us to do and that he
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  comes back when he comes back and whenever, if he comes back
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  soon, I want him to see me doing what he asked me to do.
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  So there's Martin Luther, the great Protestant reformer.
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  They asked him on one occasion, So if you knew Jesus was coming
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  back tomorrow, what would you do today?
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  Said I'd plant a tree. What he's saying is like, I
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  would be living my life and if Jesus wants to come back, he's
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  going to see me busy. And, and the whole point of 1st
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  and 2nd Thessalonians, part of it is which Tucker quotes.
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  They thought Jesus would come back in 15 minutes.
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  So they all quit their jobs and they're all just sitting around
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  and like, you know, cashing out their, their retirement funds
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  and racking up their credit cards and Paul's like it's going
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  to be a while. You guys need to and and here we
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  are a few thousand years later, but everyone.
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  'S still like it's going to happen.
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  Yeah, there's still a percentage of people that are like, we
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  cashed out our retirement, we racked up our credit cards
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  because Jesus is coming back, We don't have to pay it off.
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  He's like, that's not how it works.
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  They get busy. Yep, 100%.
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  Yeah. It's it.
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  It feels like an end times obsessed generation.
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  And as a young guy, I'm looking at it and I'm like, I want, I
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  want to have a future. I want, I want my son to grow
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  up. I want him to have kids and I'm
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  excited for whenever the Lord chooses to return.
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  But I'm not going to obsess over it.
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  It it will come. Well, and like, I mean, you've
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  got, I mean, you've got a son. I've got grandkids.
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  Now. If Jesus returns, of course, I'm
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  overjoyed. I want to see those kids grow
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  up. I want to see them get married.
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  I want to see them start their families.
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  I want to see what God has for them like and, and I think this
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  is where when you this, I don't know, I've never really thought
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  about this. Maybe this will be offensive.
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  I think the less you get connected to your children and
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  grandchildren, the more you get connected to eschatology
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  that'll. Hurt some people.
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  And I think there is a generation of older people that
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  they they are not invested in their kids.
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  They're not really present and invested in their grandkids.
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  And so they're pontificating. When is Jesus coming and when do
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  I need to return? If you're focused on investing
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  in your kids, your grandkids, maybe your great grandkids,
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  you're like, I'm not worried about the end times.
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  I want to make sure that we're creating the best possible
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  future for those people that I love so dearly.
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  And if Jesus returns, great. And so this will sound very
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  offensive but most of the boomers that suck at being
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  grandparents are addicted to eschatology and I believe there
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  is a correlation and they should repent of being addicted to
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  eschatology and take their time and energy and invest it in
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  their kids and grandkids. I love it and the team will clip
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  that out and will purge a bunch of followers and it'll be great.
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  I love it. I I think it's.
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  Good. I mean, I believe I. 100% agree.
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  I believe in the second coming of Christ.
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  I have an eschatology. I, I, I believe in all of this,
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  but at the end of the day, like I'm on the welcoming committee,
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  not the planning committee, you know, I don't know when he's
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  coming back, but when he does, I'll blow my kazoo.
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  I love it. I love it.
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  And Pastor Mark. To close out this segment, I
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  feel like Tucker tried to take what's in the Bible and maybe
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  manipulate it, read it in a sloppy way and kind of give
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  people a context for what the Antichrist will look like or
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  what, and then allude to it being Trump.
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  Taking what you've read in the Bible for the average blue
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  collar guy, what would this guy look like?
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  What, what would, what would the attributes be of the Antichrist
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  for the truck driver? That's like, I don't, I don't, I
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  don't fully theologically have the depth to understand this,
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  but I'd like to have some parameters when I'm looking out
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  there. Let me give you 2 potential
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  candidates. So one, there's this constant
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  effort to have a one world government and a one world
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  currency. And you saw a push toward that
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  during COVID. We have a, you know, air quotes,
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  you know, medical emergency. Now we, every nation needs to
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  give up their sovereignty and their liberty so that we can
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  save the planet. So there's, there's all of these
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  efforts to do globalism. Well, if all the nations come
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  together and there's some sort of overarching governing legal
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  body, you know, political body, medical body, financial body,
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  whatever that governing body is, the question is who's going to
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  be in charge? And whoever is in charge now has
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  global authority and power. Well, if I'm Satan, I want my
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  guy in that role. That would be the the strategic
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  place to put the Antichrist. The other way you could get
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  there is honestly, the vision of Islam is so their eschatology,
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  their end times beliefs is that Islam will spread across the
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  globe, usher in Sharia law, and that all the nations will be
• 20:35
  ruled by Islam. And then a global Islamic leader
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  will rise up and will oversee the rule of Islam on planet
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  Earth. That would be a great role for
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  the Antichrist. I mean, you talk about an
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  Islamic ruler. Who else would be Antichrist
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  other than a secular globalist or a global jihadist?
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  Those are both great candidates for the Antichrist.
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  Yeah, that's really good. That's really good.
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  Really really helpful. So the the whole goal of Islam
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  is to usher the way for what Christian eschatology says is
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  the Antichrist. It's really good.
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  It's really good. I think that's a really helpful
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  context for the average guy just trying to understand this and.
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  The whole world comes together. A bad guy's going to be in
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  charge of it, and if the Muslims rule, it's going to be
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  Antichrist. For sure very Antichrist.
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  Yeah, and that's where, you know, I don't know, Tucker.
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  I've not met him. You know, I don't hate him.
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  He seems to be my brother in Christ.
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  But like, I, I would encourage those who are followers of his
• 21:38
  like don't keep shooting the Jews.
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  Instead, you know, fix your gaze on Islam and see what their
• 21:45
  eschatology actually is. And, and their eschatology,
• 21:49
  their, their view of the end times actually aligns with
• 21:52
  Second Thessalonians 2. And so you could make an
• 21:55
  incredibly stronger case that Islam leads to the Antichrist
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  than Donald Trump. Love it really good Peshmark
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  very helpful cause yeah, we're, we're in a world full of
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  podcasters right now and we need discernment and truth.
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  So appreciate you being courageous with that and
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  explaining it. So next Next up Pastor Mark, we
• 22:17
  have the Biden administration targeting Christians.
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  This week the Trump administration released a
• 22:23
  massive 565 page report outlining the attack, the
• 22:27
  attacking of Christians by the Biden administration and the
• 22:30
  main two issues. Nonviolent pro-life protesters
• 22:34
  received significantly harsher sentences than violent
• 22:37
  offenders. As well as the FB is Richmond
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  Field Office relied on disputed claims from the Southern Poverty
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  Law Center to justify monitoring radical traditional Catholics
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  despite no evidence of criminal activity.
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  Even though the FBI internally questioned the SPLC credibility,
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  it's still used its hate group designations in threat
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  assessments. It also alleges financial links
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  between the Tides Foundation, US Aid funding and the SPLC, and
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  notes that Charlie Kirk was added to the SPL CS watch list
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  shortly before his death. So man, I would not want to
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  watch a radical traditional Catholics.
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  Can you imagine being on that state count?
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  So, so radical traditional Catholics.
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  They're probably talking about pre Vatican 2 Latin Mass
• 23:26
  Catholics. That was my grandmother.
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  When my grandfather died, my grandmother joined a lay order
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  of nuns and became a pre Vatican 2 Latin Mass Catholic.
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  I'm telling you, these people are not terrorists.
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  Very boring. These are grandmas that pray the
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  rosary all day, and so they are they are not a credible threat.
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  Meanwhile, Islam doing what they want in America.
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  Yeah. When's the last time you're
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  like, hey, yeah, we had a, a, a significant terrorist attack
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  from a grandmother with rosary beads who likes Latin?
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  I'm not sure there's been a Catholic terrorist attack ever,
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  no. No, Catholics who love Jesus are
• 24:10
  on the team, and they're not a problem.
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  But this is where you see the weaponization of government.
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  This is a government, you know, in the Biden administration And,
• 24:19
  and, and I want to remind everybody who's frustrated with
• 24:21
  President Trump, you know, not to be an apologist for him, but
• 24:26
  I mean, they were running Biden and he we know that cognitively,
• 24:31
  he has been on vacation for years.
• 24:34
  Yeah, none of this was his. He doesn't like I hate
• 24:37
  Christians but man, he just let the door open to a bunch of
• 24:40
  demos and. He's disappeared because you
• 24:42
  know, he's dying. Or dead.
• 24:44
  Yeah, or yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean brain dead and then
• 24:47
  physically we call it later. But but this is this is what we
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  were looking at is the option. And it is, it is an intentional
• 24:56
  targeting of Christians, but especially pro-life Christians,
• 25:00
  saying that if you're pro-life, you're radical from from a group
• 25:05
  that believes in the murder of children right up till birth and
• 25:08
  the mutilation of children and just vaccinating whole
• 25:12
  populations with experimental drugs.
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  And none of that's radical. That's all very reasonable.
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  But if you're if you're thinking you know there's a baby there
• 25:21
  and let's let him be born, then you're a radical.
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  Straight to jail. Straight to jail and, and the
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  Southern Poverty Law Center. I mean, we now know that, you
• 25:30
  know, like USAID was just a, it was a corrupt Piggy Bank to fund
• 25:34
  left-leaning nonprofits like the Southern Poverty Law Center and
• 25:38
  Christianity Day. We know that they're all just
• 25:41
  damnable crooks and corrupt to their core.
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  And then what happens is you have this waterfall of money
• 25:47
  that then goes to fund things that are Antichrist from the
• 25:50
  government and the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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  We now know they're funding the KKK.
• 25:55
  They're funding racist groups to be able to then have an enemy to
• 26:00
  attack, to justify their reduction of civil liberties, to
• 26:04
  protect people from groups that are being funded by them.
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  And it's all a massive ruse and they Charlie Kirk on the list as
• 26:12
  a danger right before he is murdered.
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  And all of that is your tax dollars at work.
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  That's wild. That's wild.
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  In the Biden administration, they weren't Kamala and Biden.
• 26:25
  They they weren't highly intelligent people.
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  I think for a while I was like, oh, she's a Jezebel.
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  I don't know if she's smart enough to even be a Jezebel.
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  I think they're just a demonic. Cesspool of I'm not sure if she
• 26:34
  could spell Jezebel. I know.
• 26:36
  Well, no, for sure. She she could laugh, but it
• 26:39
  feels like the whole administration was just the
• 26:41
  demonic cesspool of anyone with money got to decide policies,
• 26:45
  and the demonic just had a field day.
• 26:47
  Yeah, through all these crazy policies, like Biden didn't sit,
• 26:51
  sit down and like, let's go against Christians, but the
• 26:54
  people funding him did. Well, and then the, the swamp
• 26:57
  that's working in DC, you know, they take the money and they,
• 27:01
  they do things that are opposed. Again, what they're doing is
• 27:05
  Antichrist doesn't mean they're the Antichrist, but it's the
• 27:08
  spirit of Antichrist because it's against life and it's
• 27:12
  against Christians and it's against Christ.
• 27:15
  And so this is where I continually get funded.
• 27:18
  Just frustrated with an older generation of pastors who are
• 27:20
  like, we need to stay out of politics.
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  Hey, they were resting pro-life people praying, you know,
• 27:29
  peacefully, peacefully on a sidewalk, You know, I, I mean,
• 27:34
  and meanwhile you've got people that are, are, are very radical.
• 27:38
  They're entering into churches, they're harassing pro-life
• 27:43
  silent protesters. And, and there's not, there's
• 27:45
  not the same level under that administration of any sort of
• 27:49
  justice. It's, it's, it's a tip scale and
• 27:52
  it's unjust. So when Christians are being
• 27:54
  told like stay out of politics and stay out of voting, it's,
• 27:57
  it's, it's another way of saying, hey, you know what?
• 28:00
  Satan won't stay out of politics, but the Holy Spirit
• 28:03
  should. And God's enemies won't stay out
• 28:05
  of politics, but God's children should.
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  And those who are in power hate us.
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  And what we don't want to do is replace them with people who
• 28:13
  love our God. I mean, how do you and the and
• 28:16
  the question is, how is that Christian fidelity and
• 28:19
  integrity? How is that loving God and
• 28:22
  loving neighbor, which is what Jesus said is the summary of
• 28:26
  everything you know, love God, love your neighbors.
• 28:28
  Like it's neither of those. No, it's just.
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  Damnable cowardice. And there are too many cowards
• 28:37
  in Christian leadership in the evangelical church.
• 28:40
  And Big Eva is a lot like Big Government.
• 28:43
  It's run by soft people who are lacking convictions, and they
• 28:48
  are well funded to be passive and to allow evil to do whatever
• 28:53
  the hell it wants. And it's why most of the
• 28:56
  seminaries are dying and closing.
• 28:58
  It's God's judgement. It's why most of the Bible
• 29:01
  colleges are soft woke and most of the Christian platforms are
• 29:05
  soft woke and under judgement. And it's why Third Way
• 29:08
  evangelicalism is literally the first step in apostasy.
• 29:13
  And that is there's the left and the right, and we're going to
• 29:15
  stay in the middle. There is no middle with
• 29:18
  murdering children. There's no middle with
• 29:21
  mutilating children. There's no middle with
• 29:24
  imprisoning Catholic grandmothers who are praying.
• 29:27
  There's no middle. There's right and there's wrong
• 29:31
  and there is good and there is evil.
• 29:33
  And if you're in the middle, you're evil and you're wrong.
• 29:37
  And that's the problem with Third Way evangelicalism.
• 29:40
  It it, it not only allows this, it participates in it.
• 29:44
  Yep, 100%. It's a strong word, but I think
• 29:47
  a very needed word. I was just pulling up.
• 29:51
  You remember the gal, right? Right before Charlie Kirk was
• 29:56
  assassinated there was a young gal that had her neck slit on.
• 29:59
  On the train in Charlotte. Yeah, so the the evil man that
• 30:03
  killed her, he's unfit for trial, so.
• 30:06
  He's crazy, so he's OK. He's OK.
• 30:08
  So to your point, evil seems to be getting away with things and
• 30:12
  the Christians and the people that are fighting are the ones
• 30:15
  that end up in jail. And like, it's hard to, it's
• 30:18
  hard the the battle between good and evil right now.
• 30:22
  It's hard to be on the good side.
• 30:23
  And it's you are judged much more strictly and that that soft
• 30:28
  middle you get guys like this. I think he'd like 67 offenses
• 30:33
  before he did that. Yeah, it's a career criminal.
• 30:36
  Just murdered a young girl for no reason and we we need pastors
• 30:41
  to stand up for good and evil. Yeah.
• 30:43
  But then I mean, during the last election we had certain
• 30:45
  evangelical leaders saying vote Democrat.
• 30:47
  We had certain platforms like Christianity saying abstain from
• 30:51
  boating and it's like, so, so, so you want the, you want the
• 30:56
  government to be weaponized against life and faith.
• 31:01
  Well, that just tells me what team you're on.
• 31:05
  That that 100%. And you've said many times
• 31:08
  there'll be a long line of pastors in hell.
• 31:11
  Yes, they will have their own zip code and it'll be well,
• 31:16
  popular because the Bible says not many of you should presume
• 31:19
  to be teachers. You'll be judged more strictly,
• 31:21
  meaning the standard is higher, the expectations are higher.
• 31:25
  And this is where there's a lot of genuine Bible believing
• 31:29
  Christians that are just at the point of being really pissed
• 31:33
  because they are more conservative and more biblically
• 31:37
  faithful than their pastors and denominations and networks.
• 31:42
  And they're like, why is it that to the left are the people that
• 31:45
  are supposed to be leading me in righteousness and they're more
• 31:48
  compromised and cowardly? It's it's madding and it's
• 31:52
  frustrating and it's causing a lot of true believers to have a
• 31:55
  hard time just finding a a church.
• 31:59
  It's ridiculous. I was just looking up.
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  I think I saw an article this morning, the one of the main
• 32:03
  guys in the Gospel Coalition, he's gay.
• 32:06
  It came out and he's been the one advocating that.
• 32:09
  Like, pull that up, let's do. That I know I'm I'm getting I'm
• 32:12
  getting the facts so I. Mean Hospital is about
• 32:16
  repentance. So is he an active gay or is he?
• 32:19
  It came out that he had an inappropriate relationship with
• 32:21
  a guy, but he was the one writing all the policy that was
• 32:24
  allowing, like really being gay. Is I don't draw on the Internet.
• 32:27
  I know. Let me pull up the facts so I so
• 32:29
  I don't give you bad information.
• 32:30
  All right. Jeez.
• 32:34
  Well, let's jump into the Animal Farm.
• 32:36
  We'll come back to this at the end 'cause I think it'll be a
• 32:38
  fun. I mean, it's yeah, let's do it.
• 32:40
  Let's do animals and dudes acting like animals with other
• 32:44
  dudes. Let's, I know, let's go, Matt
• 32:46
  Walsh, and then we'll come back to this.
• 32:48
  So I don't think I've ever seen a movie that so thoroughly fails
• 32:52
  to capture the tone and meaning of the original work that it's
• 32:55
  based on. I mean, we've seen many attempts
• 32:59
  at adaptations that have failed spectacularly, but I don't think
• 33:05
  we've ever seen one that is quite this off, even just
• 33:08
  tonally. So they've taken this
• 33:10
  masterpiece of, of literature, which was supposed to be a
• 33:13
  warning about communism, and they've turned into this like
• 33:16
  slapstick, kid friendly Zootopia type of thing with pop music and
• 33:23
  fart jokes. And and worst of all, and most
• 33:26
  predictably, predictably of all, they've completely removed the
• 33:30
  core message, the point about communism.
• 33:34
  And apparently in this film, they've invented a new villain
• 33:37
  who is, of course, a rich white capitalist scheming to take over
• 33:42
  the farm or whatever. Which if you'd never read the
• 33:45
  book, or if it's been a long time, you read it in middle
• 33:48
  school or something, that that villain is not in that book.
• 33:53
  And it's even worse than it appears in the trailer.
• 33:55
  The the The Telegraph has this report on it says in this CGI
• 33:59
  retelling, Circus, who rose to prominence as Golem Lord of the
• 34:02
  Rings, has said he wanted to make Orwell's work accessible
• 34:05
  and not overtly political and suitable for a modern audience.
• 34:11
  It would take a political allegory and make it not
• 34:13
  political. OK, so you just want to make a
• 34:15
  different, you just want to make a different movie is what you
• 34:17
  want to do. So you just want to make a movie
• 34:20
  about animals on a farm. You can do that.
• 34:23
  You know what? You can just make a movie.
• 34:24
  You don't have to call it Animal Farm.
• 34:26
  There are 1,000,000 titles that would work.
• 34:28
  You just want to make a movie about silly animals on a farm
• 34:31
  and a big evil billionaire person who's trying to take over
• 34:35
  the farm. You can.
• 34:36
  You can make that movie. Just go make that movie.
• 34:38
  You don't have to call it Animal Farm.
• 34:42
  It's a pretty wild Pastor Mark, A kids movie was released a
• 34:46
  couple weeks ago, a few weeks ago, promoted by many of the
• 34:50
  conservative influencers because they were sold what this movie
• 34:53
  was about to kids movie. Great message bring your whole
• 34:56
  family out. Angel Studios.
• 34:59
  It's a Christian, a Christian film studio and we actually had
• 35:02
  a a Hollywood guy on a few weeks ago that helped kind of pull the
• 35:05
  curtain back on that and where the money's coming from.
• 35:08
  So man, what a weird day and age we are in right now for kids and
• 35:13
  what they're allowed to watch. What why are there such deep
• 35:17
  messages embedded in films like this?
• 35:19
  Can, can, can our kids just enjoy Tom and Jerry and Toy
• 35:23
  Story and things that are just good for them?
• 35:26
  No, because movies and shows are sermons.
• 35:30
  Entertainment. Entertainment is a sermon, and
• 35:34
  it's presenting A worldview and an ideology.
• 35:37
  And it's done with less discernment because unlike A
• 35:41
  lecture, entertainment isn't critically engaged.
• 35:44
  It's just passively consumed. This is why.
• 35:48
  This is why things like music and film, they're, they're
• 35:51
  powerful. The average person will listen
• 35:53
  to their favorite sermon 3 times and their favorite song 3000
• 35:56
  times. You know 100.
• 35:58
  Percent. I mean, people will go through
• 36:00
  and they'll, they'll watch, they'll binge watch a show and
• 36:05
  probably devote more time and energy to it than Bible reading.
• 36:09
  And so, you know, So what happens is, especially with a
• 36:12
  child, their worldview is being formed and, and, and unless the
• 36:16
  parent is intentionally training them in discernment, they're
• 36:20
  just passively consuming. And so, yeah, when it comes to
• 36:24
  angels studios, we know that the, the brothers who founded
• 36:27
  it, it's, well, it's in Provo, UT is the headquarters.
• 36:30
  So it's like the heart of Mormonism and the brothers are
• 36:35
  that founded it. They're devout Mormons, and so
• 36:39
  Angel Studios, Oh, well, it's interesting they say Angel
• 36:42
  'cause it was the IT was an Angel that showed up to Joseph
• 36:46
  Smith and it was a demon masquerading as an Angel that
• 36:49
  created now the largest cult of Mormonism.
• 36:53
  And so with Angel Studios as well, I've got a few notes.
• 36:56
  They do do Catholic stories like Cabrini, evangelical productions
• 37:01
  like The Chosen and Bonhoeffer, Old Testament stories like His
• 37:05
  Only Son and broad based sort of values projects like Sound of
• 37:10
  Freedom and Sound of Hope. And so there's some projects
• 37:14
  that come out and you're like, OK, those are pretty good.
• 37:16
  But if you take everything in the catalog, you're also going
• 37:19
  to get a lot of Mormon. A lot of Mormon.
• 37:22
  And this is where. And a little Mormon is a lot of
• 37:24
  Mormon. For a little Mormon is, yeah,
• 37:26
  like a like a little cancer. It's going to be a problem.
• 37:30
  So what the, the, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day
• 37:34
  Saints, the Mormons, what they're trying to do is
• 37:36
  repackage and reposition themselves as a Christian
• 37:39
  denomination. You've got the Assemblies of
• 37:43
  God, you got the Presbyterians, you got the Baptists.
• 37:46
  And we're, you know, we're, we're this other denomination,
• 37:49
  which they're not. They have different books of the
• 37:51
  Bible. They have a different Jesus,
• 37:54
  they have a different way of salvation.
• 37:57
  And so it's all, it's all just demonic counterfeit.
• 38:01
  And so when they start putting out stories that not only go
• 38:05
  from the religious spiritual lane over to the political
• 38:09
  worldview lane, and now you're sort of anti capitalism, it's
• 38:15
  like, OK, these are children, which means parents need to
• 38:20
  practice incredible discernment. And so I'll ask you like, you've
• 38:24
  got Cowboy. He's his next birthday.
• 38:26
  He'll be three. I mean as a parent, like what do
• 38:29
  you do to to to use entertainment as a discipleship
• 38:34
  opportunity but also to mitigate garbage coming into your son?
• 38:38
  Yeah, so I, I 100% agree with your discipleship with your
• 38:44
  kids. Where All right, we're going to
• 38:46
  sit down, we're going to watch this together.
• 38:47
  And if there's anything weird, we're going to pause it, we're
• 38:49
  going to talk about it. But in the toddler phase,
• 38:52
  they're they're consuming a lot and they don't quite have the
• 38:56
  discernment to stop and understand if something's
• 38:58
  contrary to something. They should be forming A
• 39:01
  worldview for them. So we're very, very careful.
• 39:04
  Almost every show we show indie is from the 90s, eighties, 90s,
• 39:09
  very wholesome. There's pretty much no story
• 39:11
  being told. There's no alternative motive
• 39:14
  behind this. The Tom and Jerry or he loves
• 39:17
  old monster truck. He loves watching construction
• 39:19
  equipment with no voices. Like he just watches
• 39:22
  construction equipment do stuff. And that's good for a boy.
• 39:25
  When I grew up, my parents just gave me a bunch of DVDs and it
• 39:28
  was like the A-Team and Knight Rider.
• 39:31
  And that formed most of my childhood.
• 39:33
  And I'm not, I thought, I think that's a that was not a bad idea
• 39:37
  because they've shown what if you let your kids watch like
• 39:40
  YouTube Kids, it'll just the auto populate and that comes
• 39:44
  after and after it is wild what they'll start showing your kids.
• 39:48
  2/3 of Netflix kids shows include LGBTQ agenda, 2/3 of
• 39:53
  what's on there. So we are incredibly careful.
• 39:58
  We're not overly sheltering like there's, but there's so much
• 40:01
  that is great. Like 90% of stuff that's been
• 40:04
  made is awesome. Just stuff in the last decade
• 40:07
  has such an agenda to it. Well, a lot of that is Disney
• 40:11
  being the primary driver and with an incredibly woke agenda
• 40:16
  that is anti faith and family and pro LGBTQIA and whatever the
• 40:21
  rest of the alphabet soup is, then a lot of the other
• 40:25
  companies are going to be following the lead.
• 40:28
  And it's it's, it is so off of the vision that Walt Disney
• 40:33
  originally had. Yeah, you go watch like the the
• 40:37
  movie Cars or something and you about cry at the end of the
• 40:40
  movie and it's like, this is wholesome.
• 40:41
  This is a good story. This is remembering America,
• 40:44
  friendships. And it's a great story. 20 years
• 40:48
  later. It's like you want to throw up
• 40:50
  after you watch a Disney movie. It's like, which lesbian
• 40:52
  Princess is there now? What?
• 40:54
  It's detached from reality. It's not what kids should be
• 40:58
  learning. But this is where conservative
• 41:00
  influencers cause part of this. The frustration too is we know
• 41:04
  that legacy media is corrupt and it it is run by advertisers and
• 41:09
  dollars that are pushing an agenda and A and a narrative.
• 41:13
  We know that. So then there rises in
• 41:16
  independent media, podcasters, bloggers, things like this.
• 41:21
  But then if those people start signing the wrong endorsement
• 41:24
  deals and AD deals, they end up becoming the legacy media.
• 41:32
  And it's just it's pay to play. And it's, you know, and the
• 41:36
  Bible talks about a hireling. A hireling is somebody that will
• 41:41
  say and do what they're paid to say and do.
• 41:44
  A prophet, you know, speaks for God and a hireling speaks for
• 41:48
  employment. And so you've really got to
• 41:52
  watch like, where are our dollars coming from?
• 41:54
  And now are they influencing the things that we endorse and the
• 41:58
  messages that we communicate? Because if you claim to be not
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  just a conservative, but a Christian whose highest loyalty
• 42:06
  is to Jesus Christ, you've got to make sure that you're not
• 42:11
  cashing in checks that compromise your Christian
• 42:15
  convictions. And if you're going to support
• 42:18
  something, you know, you should do it.
• 42:21
  Like if I, if you're ever going to support like a kids movie,
• 42:23
  like watch it so you send me the movie, They're like, we can't do
• 42:29
  that. Then I can't endorse something
• 42:30
  I've not seen. I can't say have your child
• 42:32
  watch something that they didn't let me see.
• 42:35
  Yeah, you, you cannot promote something to children.
• 42:38
  You, you absolutely can't. There's I, I don't know, I I'd
• 42:42
  be real skeptic of almost any kids movie being made nowadays.
• 42:45
  There's a few good ones that have come out like Young David
• 42:47
  and things like that, that are great for kids.
• 42:49
  But man, there's so much. There's so much in the history
• 42:53
  of entertainment that's been awesome for kids.
• 42:55
  The Veggietales used to be great.
• 42:56
  Now the guy's like woke off as. He is whatever.
• 43:00
  Yeah, but like, it used to just be Bible stories for kids.
• 43:03
  And we watched Easter, me and Andy, we watched the Easter
• 43:06
  Bunny and the retelling of the Easter story, and that's fun for
• 43:11
  a kid. Now it's not fun for kids.
• 43:12
  It's like, holy crap, are you indoctrinating my kid?
• 43:15
  And I think every parent needs to have that that lens on when
• 43:20
  they're deciding, when entertainment goes into their
• 43:22
  kids brains 'cause it is forming everything about a kid ages 2 to
• 43:27
  5 are the most formative of a kids worldview.
• 43:31
  You don't get those years back once.
• 43:32
  Once they've watched and interpreted and been fed these
• 43:36
  things, it's hard to get their worldview to change.
• 43:39
  So two things come to mind. We can move on.
• 43:40
  One is. We got to get the gay stuff.
• 43:42
  Get your kids books and encourage them to read and he.
• 43:46
  Loves to read, as you know. Yeah.
• 43:48
  And then the other is, you know, maybe we'll time stamp this.
• 43:51
  And someday I would love to see if we could start to do projects
• 43:56
  like here's John Knox and here's Martin Luther and here's
• 44:01
  Catherine Luther. And and for kids, the Stella,
• 44:04
  the telling of the heroes of the faith and some of the
• 44:06
  biographies. Here's Boniface.
• 44:09
  These are the stories that I told our, you know, that our
• 44:11
  kids got grown up and like, maybe at some point, maybe
• 44:16
  that's something that we could take on is like, you know,
• 44:18
  historical biographies of Christian leaders for kids so
• 44:22
  that they have aspirational figures to look up to.
• 44:26
  I love it. I'm in.
• 44:27
  I think the real Faith team's in, so more to come on that.
• 44:30
  Yeah, we can go have lunch and talk about.
• 44:32
  It yeah, I don't. Know all right so this one's
• 44:35
  going to be fun. This is going to be like, you're
• 44:38
  going to enjoy this segment, Pastor Mark.
• 44:39
  So did a little quick research. Oh.
• 44:42
  We're back to the Gospel Coalition.
• 44:43
  Yeah, we're not going to the Charlie Kirk thing.
• 44:45
  We'll we'll hold on that. So Sam Albury, the most high
• 44:50
  profile side be celibate gay Christian voice in the reformed
• 44:55
  evangelical world. He's an associate pastor at
• 44:58
  Emmanuel Nashville, where Russell Moore and Gay Gavin
• 45:03
  Ortland are both on staff, as well as Piper's son, Barnabas.
• 45:09
  They're all on staff together at this church.
• 45:12
  Is he the senior pastor or one of the guys?
• 45:14
  He's one of the pastor's Sam Albury, but he's a council
• 45:18
  member at the Gospel Coalition and he is a regular contributor.
• 45:23
  And he was disqualified this week for having an inappropriate
• 45:28
  relationship with a man a few years back.
• 45:33
  But he I didn't I I guess I didn't know that side B was a
• 45:38
  something that Christians held. Same sex attraction is real and
• 45:42
  not chosen but acting on it is sinful.
• 45:45
  So live celibately. I guess he argued for guys of
• 45:49
  same sex could like, live together, be really close
• 45:52
  friends, but you just can't have penetrative sex.
• 45:55
  And that's OK. I don't know.
• 45:57
  I didn't know you could be a gay pastor.
• 46:00
  But here's the crazy thing. Tim Keller requested he speak at
• 46:03
  his funeral. OK, well we just, we just, we
• 46:07
  just found the infection point for the woke soft woke smarmy
• 46:12
  self-righteous priggish with the G's conservative ish adjacent
• 46:20
  hypocritical evangelical gospel coalition.
• 46:25
  Desiring God Acts 29 Young, restless Reformed has now
• 46:29
  officially become conformed and deformed.
• 46:33
  It's wild. You'd think this was satire.
• 46:37
  So what did you see in the Gospel Coalition that other
• 46:39
  people didn't? So I was early on.
• 46:43
  I sat around the table and they they're academics, They hate
• 46:50
  large churches, they hate successful people, they hate
• 46:53
  prophetic voices. They hate anything on the right
• 46:56
  that is conservative. They hate anything that is
• 46:58
  associated or affiliated with Donald Trump.
• 47:01
  Some of the work that they do is helpful and good when it just
• 47:04
  sticks to the Bible, which makes it confusing and it makes it
• 47:09
  compromised. And I stepped away when they
• 47:15
  started bringing in people to talk about critical race theory,
• 47:20
  and it was the beginning of the deconstructing of faithful
• 47:24
  orthodoxy. And this is where academic
• 47:27
  Christianity, separated from local church practice,
• 47:32
  inevitably becomes apostate because you're looking for the
• 47:35
  approval of academia, and academia is Antichrist.
• 47:41
  And so, yeah, But on this one, I mean, you know, is he married?
• 47:46
  Does he have a family? No, so the the same sex so he
• 47:52
  could be The view he had was you can be.
• 47:55
  I'm gay but celibate forever. So was he celibate or did he
• 47:58
  have a family? No, he was celibate, but then he
• 48:01
  was sleeping with guys. Well, it's not celibate.
• 48:03
  You suck at celibacy. Yeah, I'm the celibate guy who's
• 48:06
  sleeping with another guy. Yeah, that's the that's the
• 48:09
  thing. And I mean, it's pretty wild on
• 48:11
  staff with Russell Moore. So I am theologically reformed.
• 48:16
  I hold, I hold to what would be a reform soteriology, I hold to
• 48:20
  the solas of the Protestant Reformation.
• 48:22
  And I have since I started preaching at the age of like 20.
• 48:27
  So I I've stayed right in my lane.
• 48:28
  I have not moved an inch but but when you have someone who is at
• 48:37
  the centre and is platformed and is a sodomite.
• 48:45
  To the level of Tim Keller personally requesting him to
• 48:47
  speak at his funeral. Like the list of guys you're
• 48:49
  going to have speak at your funeral you're pretty close to?
• 48:52
  Him not not nobody at the pickle is going to be preaching at my
• 48:55
  funeral. Yeah, no, I mean like, hey, come
• 48:59
  on, Romans one. This is unnatural.
• 49:02
  This is perversion. And And so, yeah, I mean, my
• 49:07
  question is going to be now it's like, is there going to be an
• 49:09
  outcry? Is there going to be a there
• 49:10
  needs to be a repentance of sin? We need clear lines for sexual
• 49:13
  activity. We need to redraw the lines
• 49:16
  about, you know, masculinity. The answer will be no, because
• 49:20
  we only punch to the right. We don't punch to the left and
• 49:23
  we will attack Elijah, but we will not attack Sodom.
• 49:26
  Sodom and Gomorrah. No, and it just keeps happening.
• 49:28
  We start with Josh Joshua Harris as well that I kissed hating
• 49:32
  goodbye guys I. Kissed my wife goodbye, I kissed
• 49:34
  heaven goodbye, I kissed heterosexuality goodbye, I
• 49:37
  kissed my kids goodbye, and I kissed a gay Canadian hello.
• 49:42
  I mean, my generation pastorally is a dumpster fire.
• 49:48
  I just want to publicly apologize for my entire
• 49:52
  generation of pastors who are not just finishing poorly, but
• 50:00
  just finishing in a shocking, horrific, apostate, neutered,
• 50:09
  worthless, queer, feckless, spineless, hopeless, smarmy,
• 50:16
  self-righteous failure. Other than that, no opinions.
• 50:20
  I just cause these are the guys that'll attack me.
• 50:24
  It's like I've been faithful to my wife and teaching through
• 50:27
  books of the Bible for 30 years, and you're backing a guy who's
• 50:31
  on the back of a guy. Yeah, I this is a this is a guy
• 50:43
  on your lead team. That's what's wild here of the
• 50:47
  Gospel Coalition, best friends with the Christianity Today guys
• 50:50
  like the like, it feels like satire.
• 50:54
  It feels like is is this? Are these real headlines
• 50:57
  anymore? So we need to double check this
• 50:59
  before we go live because I don't know anything.
• 51:01
  Oh. It's 100, Yeah.
• 51:02
  I mean. I mean I I was not fact finding
• 51:05
  yesterday. I was actually running water
• 51:07
  slides for grandchildren and eating BBQ outside with my
• 51:12
  grandsons because that's what heterosexual men do.
• 51:17
  We BBQ with our grandkids and we wrestle with our grandsons. 100%
• 51:22
  yeah, But no, this is I think your point is 100% accurate.
• 51:26
  This is this is where it. Goes, there's a whole
• 51:28
  generation, though, of young men that are coming to church and
• 51:30
  they're coming to Christ and they're following the leadership
• 51:33
  of Charlie Kirk, who was their Big Brother.
• 51:35
  And they're saying, OK, I I want to know about Jesus.
• 51:38
  They walk in the church and they get this scuba loss, which is a
• 51:42
  Greek word. They get this scuba loss and,
• 51:46
  and, and at the end of the day, it's like there's a whole
• 51:49
  generation of young men that that want to be courageous.
• 51:53
  They want to be married, they want to be heterosexual.
• 51:55
  They want to have a family, they want to start a business.
• 51:58
  They want to lead people to Christ.
• 51:59
  They want to do something. And then Charlie gets shot and
• 52:03
  then the pastors say nothing and a bunch of them are don't vote
• 52:06
  or vote for Kamala Harris. And then these men show up at
• 52:09
  the church and this is the craptastic garbage that we're
• 52:12
  feeding a generation of young men.
• 52:14
  And it pisses me off because it's the first time in 50 years
• 52:18
  that we've seen young men flood into church and they want to
• 52:21
  know Jesus and they want to get activated and they want to be
• 52:24
  men of God. And they get this crap fed to
• 52:27
  them. And it's no wonder that they're
• 52:29
  angry and they're frustrated and they're venting online and
• 52:32
  they're leaving the church. Because if this is what you get,
• 52:35
  this ain't masculine, heterosexual biblical
• 52:40
  Christianity. This is a bunch of soft woke
• 52:43
  beta males who've accepted Ahab in their heart. 100 percent,
• 52:47
  100%. I mean, just the, the idea that
• 52:50
  there's a Reformed gay pastor, it's like I didn't.
• 52:54
  Yeah. I didn't.
• 52:55
  I didn't know we could do that. Yeah, I'm a vegan butcher.
• 52:58
  Like, I don't know what we're talking about.
• 53:00
  It is. It is asinine to me and.
• 53:03
  It's offensive. It's very offensive.
• 53:06
  Well, this has got to be like a celebrity esque church.
• 53:08
  I don't know if you know Emmanuel Nashville.
• 53:11
  I think I helped plan it perfect.
• 53:14
  Did Ray Ortland plan it? Gavin Ortland is one of the
• 53:18
  pastors. There, did Ray Ortland plan it?
• 53:20
  Oh. Let me find out.
• 53:21
  Because he's in Acts 29 and he's the one who said vote for Kamala
• 53:24
  Harris. Yep.
• 53:27
  So this is the heart of Acts 29, the Gospel Coalition, Desiring
• 53:31
  God, Young Restless reform, Christianity Today.
• 53:34
  This is officially the bottom of the septic tank, where the
• 53:38
  heaviest turds GO-1. 100%. So did, did, did, did.
• 53:41
  Ray found it. Pulling it up, it's pulling it
• 53:43
  up. I want to make sure I get it,
• 53:45
  give it yes. So that was an X-29 church under
• 53:48
  my leadership. Yep.
• 53:49
  Joined X-29 in 2009. OK, so there.
• 53:54
  So should they shut their church down?
• 53:56
  Well, they, I say at this point they got to flip a coin and see
• 53:59
  if it's a church. So I'll just tell you this, this
• 54:06
  this old man, the big doc's off the porch.
• 54:08
  I've been nice for a long time. I've officially moved on from
• 54:11
  that. Yeah, this is now crossing a
• 54:14
  line into heresy, apostasy, unrepentance, tolerance.
• 54:19
  And this is anti gospel. Mm hmm.
• 54:22
  It is. Yeah.
• 54:23
  Ray and Sam co-authored a book together, The Gay Guy and Ray.
• 54:26
  What was the book? You're not crazy gospel sanity
• 54:30
  for weary churches, so it sounds like a very soft book, but.
• 54:34
  Yeah, and I'd say if you're a dude riding another dude as a
• 54:37
  pastor, you are crazy. You are absolutely crazy and
• 54:40
  going to hell. Yeah, it is wild.
• 54:42
  It is wild. But I, I, I think, I think the
• 54:46
  church and Christianity as a whole needs your voice to rebuke
• 54:50
  this generation. I I was in the room.
• 54:52
  I know these people. You helped plant the church.
• 54:54
  It was an Acts 29 church and I was, I was the founder and
• 54:57
  president, who, by the way, never took a salary, was an
• 55:00
  unpaid volunteer, and now I would not send anyone to an Acts
• 55:06
  29 church. So if you want my opinion, you
• 55:09
  say I'm looking for a church. If it says Acts 29, do not even
• 55:12
  try it. It's a joke.
• 55:17
  It's a joke. You're the guy to say that.
• 55:19
  So I, I think that I think people need your clarity right
• 55:23
  now, 'cause. This is why I will provide
• 55:25
  clarity, no doubt. One of the one of the closing Q
• 55:31
  And As for the day, I think actually goes well with this
• 55:36
  because I, I think it's, it's it's a, it's a helpful question.
• 55:39
  You said healthy men would not pursue celibacy and poverty if
• 55:44
  Jesus and Paul were celibate and poor in ministry, Were they not
• 55:47
  healthy men? Can you be a celibate pastor?
• 55:49
  I I think there's a whole can of worms here with what we just saw
• 55:52
  happen here with a, a gay celibate pastor and yeah, so.
• 55:58
  So is this for my Catholic friends?
• 56:00
  All right, Catholic friends, I love you.
• 56:03
  And I think that the church could do better for you.
• 56:06
  So it's not between me and you. It's between me and the church
• 56:09
  because I think the church can do.
• 56:10
  I know the church can do better for you.
• 56:14
  So I was raised Catholic, Catholic school, altar boy, the
• 56:17
  whole deal. I was born actually in a
• 56:19
  Catholic hospital. I was baptized as a baby in a
• 56:22
  Catholic Church. So I come from an Irish Catholic
• 56:25
  family. I when I first became a
• 56:27
  Christian, I was open to when God called me into ministry, to
• 56:33
  being a Catholic. But God said Mary Grace, preach
• 56:37
  the Bible, train men, plant churches.
• 56:38
  He spoke to me audibly. You can't do that if you're a
• 56:41
  Catholic. So I became Protestant because I
• 56:46
  had to obey God. So for me this is very personal,
• 56:50
  like Martin Luther, I don't hate the Catholic Church.
• 56:52
  I think you could use some reform.
• 56:54
  And since, you know, since Vatican 2, there's been some
• 56:57
  reforms that I'm grateful for. Theologically, I am a pure
• 57:01
  Protestant. The soul is of the Reformation,
• 57:04
  grace alone, faith alone, Christ alone, Scripture alone, to God
• 57:06
  be the glory alone. I am a down the fairway classic
• 57:10
  Protestant. I believe the issue of
• 57:13
  justification is the issue of the Protestant Catholic, you
• 57:17
  know, fight and reformation. And I am clearly Protestant on
• 57:21
  justification. And so I do not believe that the
• 57:25
  Church is the mediator. I believe there is one mediator
• 57:27
  between man and God, and that's the man Christ Jesus.
• 57:29
  It is not the papacy, it is not the Church, it is not the
• 57:32
  sacraments. It is Christ mediated through
• 57:34
  the presence of the Holy Spirit. So here are the reasons why I
• 57:38
  would argue that the Catholic Church would be well served to
• 57:44
  have married priests #1 The Bible says it's not good for a
• 57:50
  man to be alone. That's before sin enters the
• 57:53
  world and it ain't good for a man to be alone.
• 57:57
  First Corinthians 7 Paul says because of so much sexual
• 58:01
  temptation, each man should have a wife.
• 58:06
  So God's answer to masculine Dr. and desire is a girl with your
• 58:12
  last name and now you've got to buy her house and be nice to her
• 58:15
  if you want to enjoy her. And that, that puts on a man
• 58:20
  some discipleship and some maturity #3 it says in First
• 58:25
  Timothy 3 and Titus one, it literally tells us who the
• 58:28
  leaders in the church should be. The husband of one wife,
• 58:32
  literally in the Greek, a one woman man.
• 58:34
  And he's a, he's not only a good husband, he's a good father.
• 58:38
  And his children love the Lord. And as a result, he's earned the
• 58:42
  right to go lead God's house 'cause he's LED at God's house,
• 58:46
  at his house. And he can go lead the church
• 58:49
  family 'cause he's led his family.
• 58:51
  And then his family isn't perfect, but they're an example.
• 58:54
  Oh, I guess that's what marriage looks like.
• 58:55
  And I guess that's what parenting looks like.
• 58:58
  Now, this one is wild for my Catholic friends.
• 59:02
  I love you, but buckle up. First Timothy 41 through three.
• 59:08
  Now the spirit expressly says that in the later times or the
• 59:11
  last days, some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves
• 59:15
  to deceitful spirits and the teaching of demons through the
• 59:19
  insincerity of liars. Whose consciences are seared
• 59:23
  first on the list? Those who forbid marriage.
• 59:29
  Dang, you said you were loaded to that one.
• 59:36
  Bob's tired. I'm in the middle of a capital
• 59:38
  campaign. I'm sleeping well and at this.
• 59:40
  Point, it's good content, right guys?
• 59:42
  Yeah, but if forbidding people to marry is the doctrine of
• 59:46
  demons, you probably shouldn't make it official papal policy.
• 59:52
  One could say. One could say, in addition, they
• 59:55
  would say, well, you know, the priests are not supposed to be
• 59:57
  married. They would say that the first
• 59:59
  Pope is Peter. Now I don't agree with that, but
• 1:00:02
  Peter was married. How do we know?
• 1:00:04
  He says we have a right to take that, that the apostles have a
• 1:00:08
  right to take a wife as we have. Furthermore, it mentions Peter
• 1:00:11
  in the Bible. It mentions is mother-in-law.
• 1:00:13
  Now, I know you love my wife, but you wouldn't sign up just
• 1:00:16
  for a mother-in-law unless you got a wife in the deal.
• 1:00:19
  For sure, for sure, numerous scandals.
• 1:00:24
  So, you know, you look at the adultery, you look at the
• 1:00:29
  pedophilia. And I'm not saying that all the
• 1:00:31
  priests are bad men. I'm saying let's just say most
• 1:00:34
  of them love Jesus and are good men that are, you know, sort of
• 1:00:38
  fighting the devil with one hand tied behind their back 'cause
• 1:00:41
  they don't have a wife and kids to go home to and they're
• 1:00:43
  tempted and alone. But the 2002 Los Angeles Times
• 1:00:51
  survey of US priests is considered generally the most
• 1:00:56
  accurate and in that 15% of priests self identify as
• 1:01:00
  completely or mostly homosexual. So in addition, sociologist Dee
• 1:01:12
  Paul Sullens, he's from the Catholic University of America.
• 1:01:18
  He says that 17% of US Catholics priests are homosexual in
• 1:01:22
  orientation, four to five times the general population.
• 1:01:28
  It it's a, it's a, it's a, a job role that attracts it.
• 1:01:32
  Well, it it's like I would never take the job.
• 1:01:34
  You would never take the job. None of the guys here would ever
• 1:01:37
  take the jobs. I want to get married to a girl
• 1:01:40
  and be a dad and then someday, by the grace of God, be a
• 1:01:43
  granddad and a great granddad. And you know why 'cause that's
• 1:01:47
  how God made men. Yeah, and it feels like I, I, I
• 1:01:50
  struggle with the argument where people are like, well, Jesus.
• 1:01:53
  Was let let me get to that cause OK, I'm gonna obliterate that,
• 1:01:55
  OK, because that's I mean, that's that's just easy.
• 1:01:59
  Yeah, I I would think it would be. #7 they're unable to set an
• 1:02:02
  example. Like my whole ministry is about
• 1:02:07
  being a husband, being a father, being a business leader.
• 1:02:11
  Like we couldn't do real men if I didn't have a wife.
• 1:02:16
  Grace couldn't do real women if she didn't have a husband.
• 1:02:19
  We can't do marriage stuff. We're not married.
• 1:02:21
  We can't do parenting stuff. We don't have kids.
• 1:02:24
  The things that go the best for me online are all the family
• 1:02:27
  system stuff. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:02:29
  I don't take any parenting or marriage advice from single
• 1:02:31
  guys. Duh.
• 1:02:33
  Like, I mean, that's like, and I don't take shooting lessons from
• 1:02:36
  blind guys, you know, like you just you just you have skills
• 1:02:39
  and this is not your area of expertise.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, so most of what in my personal experience is that's
• 1:02:46
  helpful for ministry is out of life, Husband, father,
• 1:02:51
  grandfather, father-in-law, you know, I mean, and so it puts a,
• 1:02:56
  it puts a priest in a, a very difficult position.
• 1:03:00
  Like how can you, you're not modeling it and you don't really
• 1:03:04
  have any practical advice #8. Men who are called to singleness
• 1:03:13
  could never have a family and a flock.
• 1:03:16
  They're like, what about Elijah? Can you imagine Elijah running
• 1:03:19
  from Ahab and Jezebel pushing a stroller?
• 1:03:23
  You know, Or with a kid in the front pack, I mean.
• 1:03:26
  You're not a lot like the the average person.
• 1:03:28
  You're not. Jesus.
• 1:03:29
  Well, and then they're like, what about Paul?
• 1:03:31
  Paul was an itinerant who got shipwrecked, beaten, homeless,
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  stoned and left for dead and eventually was beheaded.
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  Used to be says. So it's like, yeah.
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  And they're like, well, Jesus was saying, well, let me say
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  this. Jesus being equally yoked would
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  have been rough. Furthermore, if you know that
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  you're going to return to heaven at 30 three, you probably don't
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  start pumping out kids at 28 'cause then you're an absentee
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  father who's abandoned your family.
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  So the people who are called to singleness, they're called to
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  pain, suffering, warfare and martyrdom.
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  They're not called to live at the church wearing slippers and
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  a bathrobe. Yeah.
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  That's not Elijah. For sure now.
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  That's not Paul. That's not Jeremiah.
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  That's not. Jesus. 99% of Christians are not
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  Jesus, Paul or Elijah, and I think we all think we are.
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  And especially as single guys like yeah, no, you're not you.
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  You're called to be a husband. Not Elijah.
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  No, no. No, you're not.
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  You're Tony. Yeah, just get, get married,
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  have kids. Have a family, it's great.
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  It's the best thing in the world.
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  God will make it very clear. #9 I still, I'm still rolling.
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  All right. Part of what matures in
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  Disciples of Man is being a husband, father, and
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  grandfather. There are certain things that
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  you just can't learn as a man till you got a wife and you
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  realize I'm very selfish and responsibility.
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  Now I got to feed my family. Then you become a father and
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  you're like, oh, now I understand God the Father.
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  So much of what disciples and matures a man is wife, kids,
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  grandkids, business, life. In addition #10 popes were not
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  always celibate. And so this is, this was sort of
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  a hot and cold issue through the history of the church until like
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  the 11th and 12th century. And then it became a more
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  hardened and fast rule like Pope Adrian.
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  He married a woman named Stefania and fathered a daughter
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  and they moved with him into the Lateran Palace around his
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  election at age 75 S In the history of the church, you've
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  got married popes. And So what we're dealing with
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  here is tradition, not doctrine. And then what you'll see as well
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  is there was there was even a Pope Benedict the 9th and in
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  11:45, he reportedly resigned the papacy so he could marry.
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  And the question is, if a guy's loving and serving Jesus and
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  he's qualified to do the job, and what disqualifies him is he
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  wants to marry a woman he loves, how does that disqualify a man
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  from serving Jesus? It actually meets the
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  qualifications so. It acts first time of the three
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  Titus 1 is like, finally you meet the qualifications.
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  If you didn't meet them, now you do.
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  So we fire you because we have an upside down process.
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  And then and so then now the the the the last point I'll make 2
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  points 1. So today if you are a pastor in
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  some Christian Protestant denominations and you convert to
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  Catholicism, you can be a priest.
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  So there are married priests. You can't just start Catholic.
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  You can start like Lutheran or Anglican and then become
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  Catholic and be a priest with the wife and kids.
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  Oh, interesting. So it's like it's forbidden
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  unless and it's like, well, if these guys who can be married
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  with kids, why can't these guys be married with kids?
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  Because these guys came in from the right door and these guys
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  came in from the left door. Well, they both ended up in the
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  same living room. Why?
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  Why is 1 not allowed and why is 1 allowed?
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  I don't understand. And then lastly here, here's
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  here's my appeal to Catholics. This is I think .11.
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  Some great men of God are kept from serving the church and its
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  people. And so, like when I was up in
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  the People's Republic of Seattle, there was a young
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  Catholic priest that became a friend of mine.
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  I've not talked to him in years. We would get together often.
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  He would attend my evening services.
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  He loved Jesus. He was a great guy.
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  And I asked him, I was like, how do you do it being single?
• 1:07:52
  He's like, honestly, he's like, it is rough.
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  He said I, I'm a heterosexual man.
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  I'm attracted to women. I really want to be married.
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  I really want to have kids, he said.
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  But I love Jesus and I feel called to the church, to the
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  Catholic Church. And I'm like this poor guy, he,
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  he is being, he is being forced by the church to do something
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  that God isn't asking of him. And he was willing to sacrifice.
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  He's like, I, I will be celibate for my whole life.
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  He was a good man, but how many guys aren't going to go into
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  that job because they're like, I can't do that job.
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  I can't be celibate for the rest of my life.
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  And I'm not foregoing. And I'll be honest now, like now
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  that I have grandkids, if you, if you could say you can be in
• 1:08:41
  ministry or have your grandkids, easy, I'm out.
• 1:08:45
  Like I, I'm going to have kids and grandkids like, oh, family,
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  that's what matters. And so it's keeping from the
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  Catholic Church some really great men who could strengthen
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  it. There's a shortage of priests.
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  And there is a flooding of young men who are coming into the
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  church, the Catholic Church. And they're they're asking, how
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  do you be a husband? How do you be a father?
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  How do you do business? How do you do family?
• 1:09:14
  You know, how do you be a man? And now we're saying it is.
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  We cannot give them a man who's doing those things to be their
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  leader. And to me, this is where I love
• 1:09:28
  the Catholics. We're pro-life, we love Jesus,
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  we'll be in heaven together. We're on the same team.
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  My frustration is I want the church to do better for you, and
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  I want the best men to be leading.
• 1:09:42
  And I want there to be great examples for the values that the
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  Catholic Church has. The Catholic Church considers
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  marriage a sacrament. Great.
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  They're pro-life. Fantastic.
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  Let's put guys then who are in the sacrament and have children
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  teaching and leading that church.
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  And so for my Catholic friends, I, I know every once in a while
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  I take a few shots. It's, it's, it's within the
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  family. It's like brothers jostling.
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  We're in the same family. I just wish that the Church
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  would give you the best possible men and as many as possible to
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  strengthen your parishes so that the Catholic Church was as
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  strong as it could be and the people were as well loved and
• 1:10:24
  served as possible. It's really good.
• 1:10:27
  That's really good. Totally agree.
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  Yeah, it is a wild concept to not have men who are getting
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  married and building a legacy, leading men who are supposed to
• 1:10:36
  build a family and leave a legacy.
• 1:10:38
  I guess it's a, it's a. It's a pretty wild concept.
• 1:10:41
  What do you think about? So like I, we planted a church
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  together as a family. I lead the men's, Grace leads
• 1:10:47
  the women's. For a season.
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  You ran the kids ministry. My son Zach is still running the
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  student ministry. Our family is all serving Jesus
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  together, helping build and strengthen families.
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  We used to call this the priesthood.
• 1:11:02
  This was the literally the priesthood.
• 1:11:04
  The, the, I forgot about this. This should be .12.
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  So they're, they're called priests.
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  The Levites were the first priests.
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  They had to be married men. And so even if you just take the
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  word priest in the Bible and say, well, OK, Old Testament,
• 1:11:22
  who's a priest? Married man.
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  Who's married? That's wild.
• 1:11:29
  I feel like I should end this with one last question.
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  Can there be gay pastors? They would need to be celibate.
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  But if you are gay and a pastor, I think you are putting yourself
• 1:11:39
  in incredible danger, temptation, spiritual warfare.
• 1:11:46
  And personally, if there was a man who was gay and celibate, I
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  would never hire him for sure. Now he may not be disqualified,
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  but he's disqualified to be on a team I'm leading.
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  For sure. For sure.
• 1:12:04
  Agreed. Yeah, I, I did not to beat this
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  dead horse, but apparently Emmanuel Nashville knew in 2024
• 1:12:11
  that he had this inappropriate relationship and they just said
• 1:12:13
  it was. It was unwise, but not
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  disqualifying. Two dudes without their
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  underwear on is beyond unwise. Yeah, it's very disqualifying.
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