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Live, Laugh, and Lies with Susie Evans · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast
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  Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.
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  Speaker 2: Special episode of the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we have
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  Speaker 2: Susie Evans here. Susie Evans has been a part of
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  Speaker 2: the Almost Famous family in multiple ways, not only as
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  Speaker 2: a guest but also as a host of a spin
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  Speaker 2: off show that we did. And now Susan is coming
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  Speaker 2: on because she's up to new, incredible cool things. Welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the podcast, Susie.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, glad to be here. Feels good to be back.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we've gotten to know you over the years
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  Speaker 2: for your your sense of humor, your ability to I'm
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  Speaker 2: not gonna say I don't know if I like it
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  Speaker 2: when people say not take yourself too serious, because I
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  Speaker 2: think you probably should take yourself reasonably seriously. But you
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  Speaker 2: can make fun of yourself in a way that I
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  Speaker 2: think is relatable and engaging with the audience. So my
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  Speaker 2: first question for you is where does that come from?
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  Speaker 2: How do you do that? Is that just you or
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  Speaker 2: have you kind of built that skill set?
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  Speaker 3: It's probably a coping mechanism. By being completely honest, I
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  Speaker 3: think growing up I had an older brother and I
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  Speaker 3: would say everyone in my family is like somewhat funny,
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  Speaker 3: like we as a family laugh a lot, and yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I just think we are very I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: the were to be unserious, because my mom was very
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  Speaker 3: big on instill in like character trades, Like she always
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  Speaker 3: talked about like treating people well, treating people how you
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  Speaker 3: want to be treated, being kind, like those were really
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  Speaker 3: important values in our family. But we also just were
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  Speaker 3: a really fun family, I guess you'd say. And then
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  Speaker 3: I also think, looking back, like even in the past year,
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  Speaker 3: I've just been doing a lot of like soul searching
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  Speaker 3: and like looking into myself and like my past, my
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  Speaker 3: childhood and stuff like that. And I think I've realized
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  Speaker 3: that like a big part of my sense of humor
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  Speaker 3: and wanting to like lean into being like kind of
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  Speaker 3: silly and poking fun at myself at times is probably
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  Speaker 3: like genuinely a cobD mechanism of like, oh, like how
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  Speaker 3: do I deal with my pain points in life? And
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  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, I like make fun of it or
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  Speaker 3: I laugh through it, And yeah, I guess that's probably
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  Speaker 3: where it stemmed from. But then I've realized it's like,
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  Speaker 3: you know, it could be a little unhealthy times, but
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  Speaker 3: for the most part, like It's actually helped me cope
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 2: I'm curious because, like, who were you in high school?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you're obviously a very beautiful person. You've got
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  Speaker 2: a big personality, you can make people laugh, you can
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  Speaker 2: laugh at yourself. As you said, you have been able
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  Speaker 2: to cope. Like who was Susie, you know, ten fifteen
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  Speaker 2: years ago.
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  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I would say in high school,
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  Speaker 3: I was like the poster child for like being in
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  Speaker 3: every possible extracurricular activity. Like if there was a sport,
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  Speaker 3: I was going to try out for it, even if
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  Speaker 3: I hadn't tried it before. And if there was a
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  Speaker 3: new club, I was like, I'll join that sounds so fun.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, new friends perfect. Like I was always
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  Speaker 3: just like dabbling in lots of things and like just
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  Speaker 3: kept just my So I would say my social life
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  Speaker 3: was like pretty poppin' in the sense that I was
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  Speaker 3: like not the most academic student. I was really creative.
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  Speaker 3: I was like every extracurricular I could take. It was
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  Speaker 3: like theater, voice, chorus, jazz choir. Like I filled up
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  Speaker 3: all my extracurriculars with like musical stuff Like that was
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  Speaker 3: just very much my vibe. So a lot of my
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  Speaker 3: friends were like banned chorus theater kids. But then another
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  Speaker 3: group of my friends were like student athletes, and most
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  Speaker 3: of my friends were really academic, and I was like
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  Speaker 3: the non academic friend that was friends with the academic students.
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  Speaker 3: If that makes sense. Yeah, And so I would I
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  Speaker 3: think that I at the time, even then, Like my
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  Speaker 3: mom again, I just I think she's the most wonderful person,
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  Speaker 3: but she really stressed like being a kind person. So
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  Speaker 3: I I just really valued like being kind to people.
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  Speaker 3: And I never I don't think I ever really aligned
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  Speaker 3: myself with like mean people or like even kind of
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  Speaker 3: I would say, I think all my friends are really
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  Speaker 3: cool and they're cool people, but I wouldn't say that
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  Speaker 3: we were like the cool kids out like partying, I
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  Speaker 3: guess you'd say. And I was definitely shy when it
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  Speaker 3: came to boys, if I'm being honest. Like I didn't
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  Speaker 3: have a boyfriend until college. I didn't have my first
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  Speaker 3: kiss until college. Like I was so nervous about Like
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  Speaker 3: I was cool to be friends with guys, but when
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  Speaker 3: it came to dating, I was like so shy, Like
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't be I couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 2: Now you're living in Los Angeles still, right, How has
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  Speaker 2: that been then as you've transitioned from reality television to
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  Speaker 2: you know, a new life making friends, being shyer? You know,
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  Speaker 2: when are you still shy with boys? I mean you
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  Speaker 2: went on national television kiss some people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say I'm actually not I wouldn't say
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  Speaker 3: I'm like actually shy. I'm really confident to like go
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  Speaker 3: up to somebody. But I think I would go up
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  Speaker 3: to somebody under the assumption like this is going to
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  Speaker 3: be my friend, and not the assumption of like, oh
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit on somebody. So I'm a friendly person
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  Speaker 3: to everyone. But it's definitely been interesting. And I will say, like,
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how I got so lucky in LA.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't dated, Like I haven't been out dating, and
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  Speaker 3: I know everyone talks about like how dating is so crazy,
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  Speaker 3: Like it went in a few dates before Justin and
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  Speaker 3: I started dating. But then like as far as friendships go,
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  Speaker 3: like I again, people always say LA is so hard
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  Speaker 3: for friendships, and it is, genuinely it is. But I
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  Speaker 3: got so freaking lucky, Like I got hired to do
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  Speaker 3: an event probably in the first two months of living here,
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  Speaker 3: and it was like a young entrepreneurs group and there
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  Speaker 3: were girls that were like at the head of it.
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  Speaker 3: I met them. I was literally photographing their event as
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  Speaker 3: like a worker, and one of the girls was like
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  Speaker 3: doing interested in doing pilates and cycling classes, and we
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  Speaker 3: just started talking about it. She started asking me to
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  Speaker 3: go with her, and then two of the girls from
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  Speaker 3: that group have become like two of my best friends
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  Speaker 3: out here. They're just like, they don't do social media.
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  Speaker 3: They're just girls that have businesses. They are nice people,
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  Speaker 3: like genuinely kind people. And I've just like slowly collected
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  Speaker 3: the nicest people. And I swear I'm like, how do
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  Speaker 3: I have the nicest people in LA? Somehow I got lucky,
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  Speaker 3: And so I've actually had a really good time, Like
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  Speaker 3: I guess I've been able to collect good people around me.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean as far as like dating and being
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  Speaker 3: shy on that sense, like I haven't really dabbled, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I haven't had the opportunity really to even like do that,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know, like dreading the thought of it,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well there's you know, I've obviously been married
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  Speaker 2: for a few years. Many benefits to being married don't
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  Speaker 2: this come off wrong. One of the best. You never
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  Speaker 2: have to date again unless you're dating your partner, which
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  Speaker 2: is very nice and you know you're very comfortable with
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  Speaker 2: Now we've all seen the headline, Susie, and I would
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  Speaker 2: be miss not to ask, are you ready to talk
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  Speaker 2: about it? What is your status? What are you willing
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  Speaker 2: able and feeling comfortable about sharing? You did mention Justin's
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  Speaker 2: name that you had gone through some of few dates
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  Speaker 2: before him, but we don't really know where you're at now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I know you guys talked with Justin
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  Speaker 3: as well recently, and I know it's been so weird
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  Speaker 3: because like we haven't really addressed it, but yeah, we
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  Speaker 3: aren't together, but we love each other so freaking much,
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  Speaker 3: like the point where it's just painful for both of us.
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  Speaker 3: So that's been tough to navigate. And I think, obviously,
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  Speaker 3: I know you've gone through a public breakup. I've gone
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  Speaker 3: through one before as well, and it is just so painful,
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  Speaker 3: and I have regrets from how the last one went
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, even though like I feel like I
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  Speaker 3: was most private about that too, But even the little
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  Speaker 3: bit that you give to people, like the way people
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  Speaker 3: recap it or put their own twists on it, or
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  Speaker 3: make assumptions. It can just be so it can just
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  Speaker 3: be perceived so well or perceived just in a way
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  Speaker 3: that you don't want it to be. So I think
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  Speaker 3: Justin and I both have like kind of been trying
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  Speaker 3: to protect each other. And I think we've both been
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  Speaker 3: caught off guard by people like physically in person where
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  Speaker 3: we didn't really know that we were going to have
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  Speaker 3: to address it, and at the time, we weren't really
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  Speaker 3: talking about it. So we've both just been like dodging
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  Speaker 3: questions as far as like we don't want to say
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  Speaker 3: too much because we don't want it to be misinterpreted.
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  Speaker 3: But even that can be misinterpreted. So yeah, it's just
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  Speaker 3: it's been sad. But I think we're both just trying
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  Speaker 3: to navigate it and like love each other through it,
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  Speaker 3: like not gonna let he came over and hung that
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  Speaker 3: shelf on my in my apartment not too long ago,
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  Speaker 3: so like we're on great terms, Like everything is well.
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  Speaker 3: I say, everything's positive, but you know, there's so much
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  Speaker 3: love and there's no animal.
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  Speaker 2: For sure, you know what. I laughed there for a
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  Speaker 2: second because what you're saying, I can remember looking back
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  Speaker 2: and relate with so well. In fact, I tell people, now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a breakup, I don't know if there's like
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  Speaker 2: a like a breakup's a breakup. There's good and bad
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  Speaker 2: to it every time, but like for the most part,
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  Speaker 2: like it's it's just hard saying goodbye to somebody, especially
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  Speaker 2: when it's public. I really don't know if there's much
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  Speaker 2: good that comes out of a breakup outside of maybe
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  Speaker 2: trying to keep that like friendship alive behind the scenes,
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  Speaker 2: or keep some like sense of respect and care and
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  Speaker 2: love for the other person. Because the people have just
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  Speaker 2: a thousand different opinions. It's hard. I think the question
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  Speaker 2: before we get into what's this next chapter for you?
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  Speaker 2: And I don't want to drill down and drill into
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  Speaker 2: you know you and Justin what happened. That's not my
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  Speaker 2: business and nobody's really But I the question that I
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  Speaker 2: asked Justin that really got him. And it got him
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  Speaker 2: because he I could tell when we had this interview
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  Speaker 2: together and people can listen to it, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: come out. You know. He was dancing around a lot,
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  Speaker 2: trying to do this respectfully without saying too much or
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  Speaker 2: too little the same stuff you're saying like it's impossible. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: but finally, what I the question that I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: know and I wanted from him and I want to
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  Speaker 2: know from you too, is so, but how are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Was what I asked him, And I want to know.
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  Speaker 2: And I think a lot of people are just curious
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  Speaker 2: how are you doing right now in this season of
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  Speaker 2: life that is changing? And we will get into also
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  Speaker 2: the professional changes that you're making and starting up.
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm doing okay, Like I think I'm good
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  Speaker 3: for the most part. I think it's just like hard,
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  Speaker 3: to be honest, Like, I think it's just it's just hard.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think Justin and I both moved to la
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  Speaker 3: like not knowing many people and like leaning on each
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  Speaker 3: other a lot as friends, and like, yeah, it's just hard.
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  Speaker 3: And I think we both just feel like it's hard.
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  Speaker 3: Like we both basically came to a new city, didn't
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  Speaker 3: have family, didn't really have like strong friendships, but we
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  Speaker 3: had each other and then we like developed a friend,
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  Speaker 3: like a really good friendship. So I think even beyond
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  Speaker 3: the relationship, like just not having your best friend has
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  Speaker 3: been really hard because like we knew when we cross
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  Speaker 3: actually when we talked with you guys. Last time, when
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  Speaker 3: we crossed that boundary of like friendship to more than friendship,
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  Speaker 3: we did keep it private for so long because we
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  Speaker 3: were like, what if this doesn't work out? Like what
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  Speaker 3: if we what if we aren't compatible? And now we
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  Speaker 3: tell everyone that we're dating, and then we have to
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  Speaker 3: go back on it, and it's like, one, we know
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  Speaker 3: that our really even if this happened early on, like
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  Speaker 3: our friendship would be different because you know, no guy
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna is ever going to really be cool with
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  Speaker 3: me having a friend it's close, especially one that I've kissed,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's just not going to be acceptable. And so
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  Speaker 3: we knew that risk when we started dating, but then
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  Speaker 3: when we went public, it was like, Okay, now it's
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  Speaker 3: like we're inviting people into this, and so knowing that
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  Speaker 3: I'm we've kind of like lost just even like our
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  Speaker 3: best friend in LA and really one of my best
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  Speaker 3: friends in life, and knowing that I can't get that back, like,
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  Speaker 3: oh sorry, it's so emotional, you Like that is what
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  Speaker 3: sucks so bad. I think for both of us that
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  Speaker 3: we just like had we genuinely had a real friendship before.
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  Speaker 1: You.
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  Speaker 3: I hate them crying.
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  Speaker 2: I cried all morning we just trust me. This was
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  Speaker 2: like a crying day. I woke up at eight am
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  Speaker 2: and cried over on this show. So it was just great,
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  Speaker 2: We're just gonna cry through the day. It's fine, Okay.
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  Speaker 3: So it's like a really emotional day all around.
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  Speaker 2: Someltan's happening great.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's it's just like such a loss
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  Speaker 3: for both of us. Yeah, I don't know. I think
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  Speaker 3: it's just it's just like tough and I feel like,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't even know how to like word
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  Speaker 3: at all, because it's it's just like genuinely so sad
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  Speaker 3: beyond the you know, losing out on a boyfriend, it's
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  Speaker 3: like losing out on a friend and like a huge
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to say crutch in a bad way,
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  Speaker 3: but like moving to LA and really leaning on each
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  Speaker 3: other and like just that that's like been We've been
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  Speaker 3: each other's person out here, so like really renavigating like
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  Speaker 3: our life out here, and like thankfully we both have
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  Speaker 3: really great friendships like we and we both have great
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  Speaker 3: families like we have. We both have amazing parents, amazing siblings,
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  Speaker 3: great friendships in LA and back home, and so we've
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  Speaker 3: both been really lucky and we both like loved each
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  Speaker 3: other through this, Like we've had to take bouts of
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  Speaker 3: like not talking to each other because we it's so
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  Speaker 3: easy to go back to how things were, and so
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  Speaker 3: it's just been like, Okay, we really have to like
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  Speaker 3: differentiate like how our lives are going to look different.
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  Speaker 3: We've had to set boundaries. So it's just really hard,
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  Speaker 3: and I think it's hard for both of us.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I do have two more questions, and they're not
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  Speaker 2: hopefully going to feel like I'm drilling in, but I'm
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  Speaker 2: curious about two things. One is you know you a
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  Speaker 2: year ago, it felt like on social media at least
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  Speaker 2: you can tell me if I'm wrong. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: these people from the show you were close friends with,
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  Speaker 2: like the Andrew Spencer's and Justin's and that like friend
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  Speaker 2: group was really tight, right, people have now moved away.
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  Speaker 2: We were just with them in Napa. They've all kind
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  Speaker 2: of moved out to their own separate places. Some of
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  Speaker 2: them still visit LA, but it's not the same. Has
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  Speaker 2: that added a different level too? Because you and Justin
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  Speaker 2: kind of started dating, Yeah, at people were still there,
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  Speaker 2: and then it seems like those people have moved away
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  Speaker 2: while you were dating and now you know, you and
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  Speaker 2: Justin aren't together and those people aren't there. Has that
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  Speaker 2: added a different, like a harder element to it, I
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  Speaker 2: don't think for me.
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  Speaker 3: I think so my friendship with Justin and Andrew really
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  Speaker 3: blossomed when we all came out to LA. We lived
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  Speaker 3: like ten minutes from each other, and it was like
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  Speaker 3: like heading into summer. It was just like we had
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  Speaker 3: Brat summer before Brat Summer was a thing.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: We were just like out there living and it was
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  Speaker 3: so fun and it really was awesome, but it and
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  Speaker 3: it was so good for me. Like looking back on
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  Speaker 3: that time, like I have such amazing memories from like
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  Speaker 3: all coming to La, all being new here and just
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  Speaker 3: feeling like the world was our oyster and we were like,
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  Speaker 3: oh my god, like there's so many cool things to
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  Speaker 3: experience here. It was so unique for all of us.
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  Speaker 3: And so they obviously had a tight knit friendship and
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  Speaker 3: those guys along with like Rodney and Nate, like they
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  Speaker 3: just really welcomed me in. Like I remember Rodney invited
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  Speaker 3: me to Easter at his mom's house and just like
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  Speaker 3: knowing I didn't have family out here and stuff like that,
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  Speaker 3: and it was just really sweet, and I felt like
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  Speaker 3: I felt like a little sister vibe because none of
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  Speaker 3: us were dating, and I was even dating other people
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  Speaker 3: like at the time, and I just didn't really know
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  Speaker 3: that many people. And so I don't think it's changed
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  Speaker 3: much for me other than like, yeah, like that part
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  Speaker 3: of my life is over. But they weren't friendships that
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  Speaker 3: were like years deep. Were For Justin, I think it
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  Speaker 3: probably is harder, like he had deeper relationships with those
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  Speaker 3: people and his life. Everyone's life has kind of changed,
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  Speaker 3: and so I feel like when I got here, like
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  Speaker 3: my girlfriends are separate from what everyone saw online on
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  Speaker 3: social media, Like, sure you'll see my girlfriends, but they're
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  Speaker 3: not people that do content, so it's not like that
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  Speaker 3: wasn't publicized. So fortunately I do have a strong support
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  Speaker 3: system out here of girls and back home obviously, but
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  Speaker 3: that friend group dynamic. I think it's probably harder for
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  Speaker 3: Justin that it's not the same as it used to be.
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  Speaker 2: Final question about this, I promise, and this one is
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  Speaker 2: one I'm not that I hope is beneficial to the listener.
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  Speaker 2: We have this segment on Almost Famous called almost Good Advice,
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  Speaker 2: where people write in kind of their life advice or
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: their issues going on in the world, and we try
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: to answer them and the best we can, usually falling short.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And then in my own life, I have friends who
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: have sat in a similar position to you. So the
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: situation is this, and you've been through it. You have
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: a best friend, somebody you're a best friend with, like
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: you love them and your best friend and then, like you,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: you start dating them. That's not an uncommon story, right,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: or at least you're thinking about it in your head.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: Some would write it and say, hey, I have a
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: best friend I'm starting to feel have feelings for, but
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to lose the friendship. So if you're
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: giving advice to those types of people, My question I
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: guess to run off of is was it worth it?
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Would you advise it? Or would you have rather gone
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: a different direction with it?
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: You made me cry again.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: I'm not meaning to, I know, but like.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: I no, no, no, no, it's I'm joking. It's a
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: good question.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a common situation, and I don't know
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: how to answer that because there is a lot of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: elements to it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I think my honest truth on that is like absolutely,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: it's worth it, Like absolutely, because one justin and my
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: friendship would have had to have changed regardless, Like we
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: were way too close for that to be normal if
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: any of us are dating somebody else, And even when
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: I was dating somebody and Justin was dating people, like
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: our friendship dynamic change and like obviously online we still
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: did funny bits together and stuff. But when we were single,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: our friendship was so close. We were like basically dating
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: but like just not kissing. We were like spending so
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: much quality time together. We knew each other very well,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: and so that would have to change regardless of if
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: we ever dated or not. And when I get married,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: when Justin gets married, when we have kids, like I
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be going over to Justin's house to hang out
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: with him and his wife like the way that me
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and Justin used to hang out. So you're gonna lose
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: some of that friendship anyways, at least in my opinion, respectfully,
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Like if you are in a respectful relationship, it's gonna
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: be very unlikely that your partner is like that cool
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: with you having a best friend like that, So yes,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: it's worth it because it's gonna change anyways. But then
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: on top of that, like we did have something very
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: special and still do like there's still so much love there,
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: and I think we both kind of feel like, well,
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: you never know, like what might happen in the future
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: because we there is so much love that it's like
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I even think that's probably why you know, we would
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: not even wanted to like address so much, because it's
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: like we it's really hard to like once you say it,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: it's like, Okay, now everyone like is in on this
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: and like knows and that's really the direction we're going
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that, where I think in normal relationships
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: in life, you're you know, you can do this in private,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So yes, it's worth it. I think if you feel
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: love for somebody and you think there might be more there,
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: absolutely try for it. Because what we didn't have in
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: our relationship was so freaking fun and like it really was.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: The best thing is like I've never had somebody that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: been such a best friend that's like also become like
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: a partner, and so it is really special, and like
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: I do think it can work with the right person
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: and with the right tools and the right you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: headspace and all that stuff. It's really really really special.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say go for it. You're gonna
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: probably lose out on the friendship eventually anyways, So if
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: it's a special person to you, it's totally worth it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And even if it's just for a season of life,
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: like you might get the most wonderful season of your life.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: You know. That's great advice. Yeah, And I really can
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: only listen to people who have been through it. You've
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: been through it, and it is beautiful. And you know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I got to see you two together. I got to
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: see the two of you within a week of each other,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: now not together, both beautiful humans and doing your best
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: at this. And that's all the questions I have about
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: your relationship. That wasn't my intention coming in to talk
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: about it for so long, But I do think your
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: advice at the end will speak to many. So take
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: the leap, Susie, to totally transition here. You do have
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: a new project coming out, one that has been talked
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: about and we're really excited for here at the almost
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: famous podcast. It's called Live Laugh Lies. It's a podcast
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: that you're hosting, and Susie, I, to be honest, don't
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: know a lot about this new project. And I have
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: all the notes in front of me that could tell
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: me everything about this new project, but I'd rather hear
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: it from you, and so what is going on, what
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: is happening, and why are you excited about it?
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: I'm so excited. So I was kind of approached about
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: this project and started working on the development with it,
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: and it just kind of like blossomed into something that
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: we didn't even really know. We didn't even know exactly
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: what it was going to be. The idea was that
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: there's just like so many wild stories out there, generally
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: thinking about dating, marriage, stuff like that, you know, scandals,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And then as we've kind of unpacked and started filming,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: we've like it's just even developed into more. So we
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: have already filmed like probably six episodes and got three
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: more before the end of this week, and then we're
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: launching next week. And the guests we've gotten are so badass,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Like they are some of the most interesting stories in
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: my opinion. A lot of them revolve around like cheating, scandals, infidelity,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: like cult like experiences. There's just it's just like really
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: taken its own form. There's there's so many unique guests.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I don't want to like spill any tea because I'm like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: I think we want to surprise people with the people
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: we have coming on. I'm sure like Bachelornation can probably
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: guess one of them, but it kind of comes to
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: like it comes it becomes like a true crime meets relationships,
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: but not just like dating. It's like life relationships too.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: How are you finding your guests though? I mean these
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: are obviously sometimes stories kept secret or kind of pushed
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: under the rug. How are you finding them?
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: So a lot of them are people that have like ei,
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: they've spoken publicly about it on TikTok. I feel like
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: TikTok has been such a big part of our show,
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: Like we keep finding these crazy stories about people who
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: experience just the most wild things, like I can't believe
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: in the stuff that our guests have experienced, and even
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: like docuseries and like different shows that are coming out,
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: I think it's like inspiring people to speak up about
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: their experiences. And one of the things that we've realized
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: on our show is that there's so much shame in
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: the like the victim experience, Like people that are being
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: victims of whether it's like crimes or cheating, lying scams,
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Like people are really shameful about their experience because they
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: feel embarrassed. They feel like people are gonna think I'm dumb?
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: How could I fall for this? Like why did I
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: accept or tolerate this behavior for so long? And so
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: that's become like a really interesting nuance of the show too.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: It's like, Oh, there's so much more to this than
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: just a juicy story. It's like there's a psychological experience
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: that people have, and the more people talk about it,
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the more people like learn how to avoid these red
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: flags or avoid getting scammed, or avoid accidentally joining a cult.
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: Like there's like a lot of things that people feel
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: shame about and they're afraid to talk about it. But
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: we just we were starting to see it more and
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: more everywhere. So I feel like we're starting to uncover
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: all these different pockets of communities and people that have
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: had these experiences.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: What makes you like the right host for this show?
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay, So episode one I talk about
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: I have a couple of interesting dating experiences, and I
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: talk about them. But I dated a guy. I don't
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: know if this will give it away, but basically I
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: dated a guy that literally lied about what. I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: know if I should say I basically dated a guy
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: that lied to me about having cancer and ordered to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: for me out to break up with him, and there
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: was like so much more to that relationship that was
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: just like wildly manipulative, toxic cheating, And so as we
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: started to develop this show, I was like, you know what,
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: like I actually have a really crazy story and it's
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: actually shaped how I've dated, Like that was one of
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: the first people I dated in my entire life. So
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: like every person after that, I've kind of brought in
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: my own baggage and been like, hey, like I went
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: through a really crazy experience and had something really traumatic
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: happen in my life, and so it's affected my really
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the whole trajectory of my life. So I think talking
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: about it has been somewhat like therapeutic for me, and
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: then bringing on guests and like we've brought on you know,
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: specialists and people who can analyze these kind of people,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and it's just been such a great experience for me
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: as well. But I think that probably having that dating
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: experience has really shaped me, and it's also just like
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: given me this like fire to be like, yeah, the
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: more we talk about this, the more people can learn
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: and grow and not make the same mistakes.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Is that the hope for the show then I mean
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: if you thought about each episode or each season, kind
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: of the point to even putting this content out there
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: outside of you know, obviously it's going to be enjoyable
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: to listen to, right, What is the underlying point that
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: you hope these this project brings to the world.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: It's a great question. I think, Uh, it's a lot
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: of it is just like opening up dialogue and like
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: letting people or having people not feel alone. Unfortunately, so
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: many people go through a scandal, manipulation, lying, cheating, Like
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: so many people have these experiences, and so yeah, I
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: think it's just like a place where people can like
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: hear these stories and one be entertained because we do
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: laugh a lot on the show. Like it's not it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: not super dark. It's not like, yeah, there's some true
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: crime elements, but it's we are not it's not a
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: miserable show, and it's certainly not. This is one thing
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: I feel, like I've said time and time again, like
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: I never ever wanted to feel like a show where
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: we're like talking about men cheating on women. Like we
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: have men as guests that come on as well, So
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: it's like an environment where everyone can learn and be
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: open and honest, Like, people do crazy things and normal
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: humans unfortunately have those experiences, even if they've not done
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: anything to attract it or you know, participate in it.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: So I think the underlying reason for doing the show
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: we've kind of discovered is to like understand people, better
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: understand why people lie, and understand how to avoid putting
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: ourselves in those positions if we can.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I'm excited for this. I mean, I'm trying to make
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: a parallel here. It's like a dateline meets Yeah.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: It's like it's hard to say because some episodes are
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: more serious than others, but yeah, it is. It's like
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: it's like uncovering just crazy stories, like unbelievable stories that
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you're like, how did this happen to somebody? And we
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: basically ask all the questions like how did you find
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: yourself in this position?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Are you the main hosters or a co host?
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: Right now?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It's just me Yeah, cool, I uh okay, when does
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it come out? And where can people listen?
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: September fourth, anywhere you listen to podcasts. And we're also
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: going to be doing some really fun video elements. Obviously
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: I'm a videographers, so like it's like we got to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: have some cool like visuals, so on YouTube it's while
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: there's going to be some cool overlays and stuff like that.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Live Laugh, Lie September fourth, hosted by Susie Evans. It
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: sounds like an absolute hit. I mean, like I'm you know,
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine something that's set up to be any
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: less of a hit like this is. This has all
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: the stuff that people love, right, the little bit of
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: true crime, some comedy, the ability, like I said at
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the beginning, without even knowing the concept for a show
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: that you can kind of make fun of, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: yourself and situations that you know, maybe are uncomfortable, your
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: ability to do that as a host, and then also
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: get the story out there so that people can learn
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: and grow maybe not do it again. Anything else about
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: the show that we didn't ask or didn't cover that
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: you want to talk.
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: About, I don't think so. I think that's pretty much it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: I I guess, like PSA, I'm new to hosting. So
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: if you guys listen, just know it'll probably get better
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: as it goes on.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: You know, yeah, you should hear. You should go back
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: and listen to almost famous episodes one through one hundred
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: and here my process yeah, and hear how I have
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: not changed, I have not gotten better. I just still
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: keep a job. I don't know how, but I'm here. Uh, Susie,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: You're great, Thanks for coming on, Thanks for sharing everything. Uh,
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: it wasn't the intention to come on and talk about
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Justin as much as we did, but it did feel
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: right like. It feels like there's respect, there's care, there's love.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: It's tough, but also got some good advice from you. Really,
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: the big reason when to have you on is to
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: talk about this, you know, live laugh Lie. September fourth,
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: everybody can listen to podcasts hosted by Susie.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Thanks for coming, Thank you so much.
• 31:13
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• 31:17
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