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Who is D.B. Cooper? · Wicked and Grim: A True Crime Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello again, Welcome back.
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  Speaker 2: My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked
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  Speaker 2: and Grim, a.
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  Speaker 1: True crime podcast morning. The following podcast material in more
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  Speaker 1: mature audience. Listener discretion is advised. Dun d. We're back, yes, micube, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it happens, says uh, says you. Every episode you're bumping
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  Speaker 1: your mic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. But also people can't even hear it.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. So that's because I put noise reduction in there.
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  Speaker 2: Good work.
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  Speaker 1: I know, I'm trying. Good job, trying. I'm trying. In
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  Speaker 1: the Podcas guest in Daily Life. You know, the spring
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  Speaker 1: cleaning's coming out, and I've been trying to get things
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  Speaker 1: together around the house, but it's hard.
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  Speaker 2: We're trying to get our shit together. Yeah, but it's
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  Speaker 2: not really very successful.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we're trying. That's what counts, right, because.
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  Speaker 2: We have a big move coming up. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if these people know that, but where are I think
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  Speaker 2: we've kind of like we've touched on it slightly, but
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  Speaker 2: we're moving into a tiny home in the summer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we're going like full on, like on wheels
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  Speaker 1: and everything. We have a piece of land selected right
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  Speaker 1: now currently and this house that we're in is going
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  Speaker 1: to be going up for sales soon Full.
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  Speaker 2: Glass Lifestyle Change, my friends Lass Lifestyle Change. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well this house is too big for us because
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  Speaker 1: it's just you and me and it's what three bedrooms up.
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  Speaker 1: We got another bedroom going in downstairs with potential more
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  Speaker 1: that could be made the three bathrooms double garage.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't think it was too big at
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  Speaker 2: one point, but then it's a lot of cleaning and
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  Speaker 2: we rather just like travel and live life than need
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  Speaker 2: a big house.
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  Speaker 1: Really sit in our little tiny home cottage off in
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  Speaker 1: the country talking about murderers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Podcast, Oh my goodness.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be so fun, our first podcast that we
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  Speaker 2: record in there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we should like see if we can have something
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  Speaker 1: that really pertains to like an RV or like a
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  Speaker 1: small cabin.
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  Speaker 2: Does anyone have any suggestion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that that'd be good. There's like a cabin in
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  Speaker 1: the Is there something that's like really spawn like horror
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  Speaker 1: movies like Cabin in the Woods.
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  Speaker 2: Actually, that's a terrible idea. You want to traumatize me?
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  Speaker 1: I think great, it would be a great way to
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  Speaker 1: break in our first episode in the tiny home.
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  Speaker 2: It would. Yeah, we're starting to buy things for it,
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  Speaker 2: like at a little dot handheld dice in a little
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  Speaker 2: mosquito stuff because the mosquito's out there are horrific.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're looking into a lot of things like
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  Speaker 1: water tanks and hauling in gravels for the lot and
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  Speaker 1: power those sort of things, and of course getting rid
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  Speaker 1: of all of our excess stuff that we don't need.
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  Speaker 1: So we're doing a lot of donations and selling on Facebook,
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  Speaker 1: which is a horrific experience because people do not ever
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  Speaker 1: ever like follow the listing at all. It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you there's a true crime thing for selling
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  Speaker 2: shit on Facebook. Oh I bet, because I think people
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  Speaker 2: like have set people up and ship I should find one.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do know that people like they'll they'll definitely
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  Speaker 1: like set someone up and be like, oh you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'll buy this off you or I've got this for sale,
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  Speaker 1: and then when people get money, they just like remove
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  Speaker 1: off Facebook block and they just go completely a wall
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  Speaker 1: and just steal the money. So that's the thing that
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  Speaker 1: happens I know a lot. I see it on Facebook
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  Speaker 1: all the time where people get scammed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because people are kind of a whole sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's got to.
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  Speaker 2: Be our people. Our people are good.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean our people?
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  Speaker 2: Our listeners?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I was like, I don't know family or
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  Speaker 1: is that a racist comment? No, I know you want
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  Speaker 1: to be racist.
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  Speaker 2: That was the opposite of what I was being.
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  Speaker 1: I would just like, we mean by our people, like
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  Speaker 1: who are the listener?
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  Speaker 2: I just see like our listeners are good people.
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  Speaker 1: Well so far anyways, we definitely have some cool listeners
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  Speaker 1: out there, so a plus, you guys are being super
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  Speaker 1: cool and awesome.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, yeah, So what do you got in
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  Speaker 2: store for us today? Man?
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  Speaker 1: I have a crazy case. Okay, but this one's not
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  Speaker 1: like crazy as in what we've done recently, our last
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  Speaker 1: few episodes, we've done a lot of like murders, a
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  Speaker 1: lot of gruesome stuff. So I kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 1: take a bit of a left turn and not go
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  Speaker 1: quite so gruesome and horrific, more of just like, how
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  Speaker 1: is this possible? What the f happened? So we got
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  Speaker 1: an unsolved case. There is no deaths that we know
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  Speaker 1: of in this case, but it's a big old mystery,
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  Speaker 1: a major crime.
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  Speaker 2: I know you do. I'm surprised you have done more.
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  Speaker 1: So this is very much so kind of like the
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  Speaker 1: Mad Trapper of Rat River, where we just don't know
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  Speaker 1: who this guy is very similar because this is the
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  Speaker 1: case of the infamous dB Cooper. Have you heard of
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  Speaker 1: dB Cooper prior to me talking about it?
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  Speaker 2: No idea? No, is that bad?
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  Speaker 1: Probably because this is one of the greatest unsolved mysteries
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  Speaker 1: in FBI.
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  Speaker 2: His huh, it's drinking.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's pretty intense. Okay, So you're ready.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready for you to entertain us.
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  Speaker 1: I'm you ready for the entertainment.
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  Speaker 2: I need some entertainment.
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  Speaker 1: Ready, spaghetti, Let's dive in and do something that runs
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  Speaker 1: with spaghetti. I don't know, okay. On the afternoon of
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  Speaker 1: November twenty fourth in nineteen seventy one, a middle aged
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  Speaker 1: man carrying a briefcase entered the Northwest Orient Airlines Airport
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  Speaker 1: in Portland, Oregon. He identified himself as Dan Cooper. He
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  Speaker 1: cashed buy a one way ticket bound for Seattle, Washington, and,
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  Speaker 1: along with thirty six other passengers and a flight crew
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  Speaker 1: of six, he boarded flight number three oh five.
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  Speaker 2: That's not those Portland and Seattle are not far from
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  Speaker 2: each other at all, are they?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, none at all? Oh okay, but I mean
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  Speaker 1: there's there's connecting flights all over the place, right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I love Portland and Seattle.
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  Speaker 1: Actually they're nice areas. I've got lots of beer and
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  Speaker 1: the coffee. They're really known for the coffee there too, So.
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  Speaker 2: You should love that place hundred percent.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. Well, we've been there once.
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  Speaker 2: Portland once, Seattle. I've been a few times.
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  Speaker 1: I've been to Seattle once and it was only for
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  Speaker 1: Emerald City Comic Con because I'm a big nerdy.
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  Speaker 2: You went with me too.
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  Speaker 1: Did we go through Seattle?
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  Speaker 2: He did. We stopped there for an afternoon and like
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  Speaker 2: stopped at crab Pot and went to that's right right.
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  Speaker 1: For some reason, I was thinking that was in Portland still,
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  Speaker 1: But no, you're right, yeah, because we were right on
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  Speaker 1: the I don't what you call it, but like the
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  Speaker 1: coast there with all the like the ferris wheel and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I know, I don't know what it's called. I should
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  Speaker 2: know what it's called. But it's an awesome area.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gorgeous. Okay, So I've been there twice. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: but so far, Dan Cooper doesn't sound like a terrible dude.
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  Speaker 1: He's just a regular dude going on an airplane right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So on board the flight, Cooper sat in the middle
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  Speaker 1: seat in the very last row on the right hand
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  Speaker 1: side of the cabin. Cooper was a quiet man who
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  Speaker 1: appeared to be in his mid forties, wearing a business suit,
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  Speaker 1: a black tie, white shirt, and once he boarded the plane,
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  Speaker 1: he wore a pair of black horn rim sunglasses.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, he sounds like a badass.
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  Speaker 1: I mean he's definitely looking like it right now. Definitely
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  Speaker 1: kind of like got that men in black vibe going on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: So before takeoff, he ordered himself a drink because I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're in the seventies here, right, So he
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  Speaker 1: ordered it himself ordered He ordered himself a bourbon and soda,
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  Speaker 1: and then lit a cigarette.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, on the airplane.
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  Speaker 1: On the airplane is that shit allowed in the seventies yet?
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  Speaker 2: Holy shit. I couldn't imagine being on an airplane someone's smoking.
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  Speaker 1: That's nice total. I believe he smoked eight cigarettes. Gosh,
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  Speaker 1: so a short time after a short time after three pm. Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: During takeoff, he handed a stewardess by the name of Florence.
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  Speaker 1: I'm terrible with names, but I'm gonna try this here.
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  Speaker 1: Florence Schaeffer a note. The note read quote, and I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I could never find confirmed quotes. So this is a
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  Speaker 1: quote I think is proper. Okay, miss I have a
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  Speaker 1: bomb here. I would like you to sit by me.
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  Speaker 2: Some pump thing going off again. Maybe that's like the
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  Speaker 2: drum roll.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Maybe that denoising dropped there. So she was stunned
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  Speaker 1: and she did what she was told.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so sorry. The note said, miss I have a bomb.
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  Speaker 1: Miss I have a bomb here, and I would like
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  Speaker 1: you to sit by me.
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  Speaker 2: Oh shit, So like I.
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  Speaker 1: Said, she stunned and she did what she was told.
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  Speaker 1: She sat next to Cooper and the briefcase he was
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  Speaker 1: carrying was opened and Cooper showed her a glimpse of
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  Speaker 1: a massive wires and eight red sticks of dynamite. He
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  Speaker 1: then demanded that she write down what he told her.
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  Speaker 1: As a plane gained altitude. She soon was walking to
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  Speaker 1: the cabin or sorry, the cockpit of the plane with
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  Speaker 1: a note that said, I want two hundred thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: by five pm in cash. Put it in a knapsack.
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  Speaker 1: I want two backpack parachutes and two front parachutes when
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  Speaker 1: we land. I want a fuel truck ready to refuel
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  Speaker 1: no funny stuff, or I'll do the job. So that's
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  Speaker 1: what she delivered to the pilot.
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  Speaker 2: So does he want that fricking money by the time
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  Speaker 2: they land?
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  Speaker 1: Pray much, you're getting a little bit ahead here, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's what he wants prepared by the time they land.
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  Speaker 2: That's quite the fucking demand, right, So.
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  Speaker 1: This is it's pretty intense what's going on. And during
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  Speaker 1: the flight, the flight attendant by the name of Tina
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  Speaker 1: Mucklow took her place beside beside Cooper as the other
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  Speaker 1: stewardess made her way to the front right, and she
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  Speaker 1: was now Cooper's point person, relaying messages over the phones
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  Speaker 1: the plane's inner phone back and forth between him and
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  Speaker 1: the cockpit for the next hour and a half, because,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, Seattle and Portland are very close, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so when need to arrive to its destination. Over the
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  Speaker 1: next hour and a half, the plane maintained a holding
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  Speaker 1: pattern above Seattle while ground crews arranged the fueling truck
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  Speaker 1: and authorities produced a ransom and four parachutes.
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  Speaker 2: Good lord, so they're actually like listening to him.
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  Speaker 1: Well, he's got a plane full of thirty six passengers
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  Speaker 1: and six crew members and a.
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  Speaker 2: Bomb, I guess, but like, how do they know for
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  Speaker 2: sure that's a legit bomb?
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  Speaker 1: Well better than rolling the dice.
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  Speaker 2: Right, touche toche.
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  Speaker 1: So what the authorities got together was ten thousand dollars
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  Speaker 1: in sorry, ten twenty dollars bills. They were collected from
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  Speaker 1: a nearby bank, and four shoots were supplied by a
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  Speaker 1: skydiving school. Now, the money collected from the bank was
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  Speaker 1: like a previously collected thing that was already set aside
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  Speaker 1: just in case of a scenario just like this. Oh okay,
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  Speaker 1: So the bank had already recorded the serial numbers and
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  Speaker 1: they were documented. Every single bill was able to be traced.
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  Speaker 2: That's smart, yep.
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  Speaker 1: So they were on the ball ready just in case.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, the four shoots is actually pretty significant here,
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  Speaker 1: because why would one dude need four parishies?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of wondering that actually, So.
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  Speaker 1: What it is here is the front parachute and a
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  Speaker 1: back parachute. One is a primary and one is a secondary,
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  Speaker 1: So one person will wear two shutes. Okay, okay, Now
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  Speaker 1: him asking for four led the FBI to believe he's
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  Speaker 1: planning on taking a hostage. Ah, so they never tampered
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  Speaker 1: with the parachutes at all. They didn't want to risk
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  Speaker 1: the life of a civilian, so they supplied what they
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  Speaker 1: thought were four adequate, untampered with parachutes. This is a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of information that's kind of not necessary, but
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  Speaker 1: I'll say it now. One of these shots they actually
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  Speaker 1: did supply, one of the backup ones, was actually a
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  Speaker 1: dummy shoote. They didn't even realize it.
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  Speaker 2: But oh so it wouldn't go off, then it wouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a dummy hute Ooh, it's kind of irrelevant.
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  Speaker 2: But huh.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. So by five forty five, Flight three oh five
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  Speaker 1: finally made its landing in Seattle the hijacker exchange of
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  Speaker 1: flight passengers hijacker being Cooper. Yeah, so those thirty six passengers,
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  Speaker 1: most of which didn't even know that there was a
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  Speaker 1: hijacking that happened.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, seriously, that was one question I had, like, do
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  Speaker 2: these people know that something's up?
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  Speaker 1: No, most of them didn't even know. Of course, they
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  Speaker 1: would know that they're.
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  Speaker 2: Circling well and that they're latest. Heck, like you think, Okay,
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  Speaker 2: but I'm sure that.
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  Speaker 1: The pilot was able to keep things under control. Cooper
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  Speaker 1: was being very discreet about the whole thing most didn't even,
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  Speaker 1: which is no good. Oh, definitely, So he exchanged the
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  Speaker 1: thirty six passengers and two flight attendants for the money
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  Speaker 1: in parachutes. So he did keep four of the crew members. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So once refueled, they were on ground for a little
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  Speaker 1: while here because it was apparently complication with refueling. But
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  Speaker 1: once refueled, the plane took off again at seven thirty
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  Speaker 1: six PM. Cooper then ordered a non stop course from
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  Speaker 1: Mexico City.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, he knew where he wanted to go.
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  Speaker 1: He had an exact destination. He instructed they were to
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  Speaker 1: fly the plane with the landing gear down, the wing
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  Speaker 1: flaps at fifteen degrees, and that they were to stay
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  Speaker 1: below ten thousand feet altitude. He also instructed that the
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  Speaker 1: lights in the cabin were to remain off and the
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  Speaker 1: stairway for the plane to be left open.
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  Speaker 2: Shit.
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  Speaker 1: So this is also important here to notify that the
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  Speaker 1: stairway for the plane on this model a Boeing. I
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  Speaker 1: can't remember the model. I have it later here in
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  Speaker 1: the notes. Give it a quick search Boeing three thirty
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  Speaker 1: seven or something like that. We'll run into the exact
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  Speaker 1: model a little little later here. So on this specific
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  Speaker 1: model of plane. The stairs were located on the underside
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  Speaker 1: of the plane, facing backwards, so facing the back of
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  Speaker 1: the plane.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, so yeah, we'll get into them to visualize that.
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  Speaker 2: That's different, right, yeah, it's not normal. Yeah, sure, Okay, Now.
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  Speaker 1: There are two issues with his requests. A NonStop flight
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  Speaker 1: to Mexico City just wasn't possible.
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  Speaker 2: They have to refuel, right, Oh okay, that's quite a distance.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely, because you're going from like Northern States to Mexico.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the journey.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and on this side of the plane and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Just yeah. So anyways, there was some debate about where
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  Speaker 1: they were going to land for refuel. Cooper suggested a
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  Speaker 1: few spots, but they eventually decided to refuel in Reno, Nevada. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: second takeoff wasn't possible with the staircase in the open position,
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  Speaker 1: so the flight crew taught Cooper how to operate the
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  Speaker 1: stairs so he could open them himself once the plane
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  Speaker 1: was airborne.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he's got a bomb, he's controlling everything.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh. I just feel like there would have been an
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  Speaker 2: opportunity for these people like run the fuck away or
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  Speaker 2: like kake him down.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, but who knows what specifically he had. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, if he lets go of that briefcase, for
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  Speaker 1: all they know, it could have blow up, and if
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  Speaker 1: they try and tackle them, he lets go boom.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. That's true.
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  Speaker 1: So who knows what the situation really was?
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  Speaker 2: Like, they're in quite the pickle.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. So once they were in the air, the crew
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  Speaker 1: were to stay in the cockpit and leave Cooper alone.
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  Speaker 2: Interesting. He didn't want any more.
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  Speaker 1: Drinks, I guess not. Maybe one final drink. Maybe he did.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, not too sure, but I doubt it. So.
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  Speaker 1: Tina Mucklow was one of the stewardess who was still
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  Speaker 1: on board. She was the last to see Cooper. She
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  Speaker 1: was closing the cockpit door behind her, and he was
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  Speaker 1: standing in the middle of the aisle looking as if
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  Speaker 1: he was preparing to jump.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: Now, after completing the journey to Reno, the plane made
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  Speaker 1: its landing safely, and they found Cooper was no longer
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  Speaker 1: aboard the airplane.
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  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so they didn't even make that final Mexico
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  Speaker 2: City destination.
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  Speaker 1: Nope, they didn't even make it to refueling and Reno.
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  Speaker 2: Oh. Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So, after completing the journey to Reno. The plane made
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  Speaker 1: it safe landing, and he was not aboard. It seems
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  Speaker 1: that he jumped somewhere between Seattle and Reno, and he
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  Speaker 1: lowered the stairs himself, you know, and just gone.
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  Speaker 2: And he left.
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  Speaker 1: And once it was But of course some people might
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  Speaker 1: be like, well, how do you know he jumped. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: he's hiding on the plane.
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  Speaker 2: Well I thought that already.
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  Speaker 1: They searched the plane. He was not him. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: he wasn't on board the plane. And once they figured
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  Speaker 1: that out, they began to actually search the plane for evidence.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: And what he left behind was this. He left a
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: black clip on tie, eight cigarette butts and two of
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: the four parachutes. Okay, the note that he left behind
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: for the stewardess. He was actually smart enough to take
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: that with him.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: Then, okay, why would they It's a handwritten note, handwriting,
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: that's true. Yeah, I wonder why you need four parachutes
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: and he only used two.
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: It could have been employee for the FBI to make them.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Not oh could smart actually because of the FBI.
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: Why does he need four parachutes? He's planning on taking
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: a hostage, and if.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: They would have, if he would have disasked like two,
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: they would have made them both not work exactly.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, he's on this, he's thinking ahead. Yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: he's smart.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: It totally is.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: The description that was given to investigators led to a
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: many famous sketches. There's several different renditions of the sketches
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: out there. They mostly all look the same. That's just
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: some are a little more refined than others. Some have
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: the sunglasses on or off.
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: I'm excited to see a sketch.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be up on her Instagram, I know.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: So.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: The description was he was a Caucasian male between the
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: age of thirty five to fifty. He was five foot
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: nine to six feet tall, medium build, black, dark brown hair,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: and brown eyes. Okay, and of course with the clothing
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: and his disposition that we mentioned at the beginning of
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: the podcast here as well.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's such an age span. Sorry, I
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: just have to put that out there.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It is.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: I'm like, if I'm fifty verse thirty five, I hope
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: people tell like I want them to tell him thirty
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: five and not fifty.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, But I mean maybe some people look thirty
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: five when they are fifty.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Kind of hope for.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: That, right, Yeah, that's very true.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Maybe it's like this. It's got a lot of gray hair,
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: his hair is receding. But he looked young as fuck.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: He could have been thirty five, four fifty. I don't
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: fucking know. He's getting ida at the liquor stores. It's
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: all we know.
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: So to try and locate Cooper, investigators needed to try
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: and identify when and where the plane was when he jumped,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: and to narrow down the search to find him. This
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: was key. This was difficult, though, since no one ever
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: saw Cooper jump or leave the plane exactly, couldn't exactly
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: identified it. And this when I say no one saw him,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: this also includes two fighter jets that followed the plane
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: that night on the way to Reno.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: Oh really, yep? Did he? I wonder if he knew
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: they were there.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I doubt it.
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: Huh. That's snaky, right.
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: The only thing they had to go on, though, was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: something the flight crew had reported. The last communication with
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Cooper was over the inner phone or whatever at about
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: eight oh five PM, and approximately ten minutes after that call,
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: the crew experienced some oscillation or vibrations, which is now
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: thought to be from the stairs lowering and his jump.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so that's the.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Only thing they have to go on when he jumped, right,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So we're looking at about eight fifteen pm here around
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: them in like November. So it's like pitch black cold weather.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Right, that's terrifying, but.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: It's something to go on. It's something, and it's better
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: than nothing.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just feel like that'd be so terrifying
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: I actually jump aha.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, So they have an idea on when he jumped, right,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: and now they haven't approximately time, and they can identify the.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Area because Cooper was not specific on a flight path.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: He was specific on destination, but not how to get there, right,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So they determined Reno was where they were going to refuel.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: But he never told the pilot what how to fly
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: or where to go or anything. So the pilot took
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: a route that was familiar to him, the route being
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Victor twenty three Airway. So they have a common, well
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: known route and they have a time window. So you
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: do an estimation, you can pretty much figure out exactly
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: where the plane was when Dbie Cooper jumped, if.
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: That's if that's actually when he jumped.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: If that's actually when he jumped. So yeah, huh interesting,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: and that location was approximately forty kilometers north of Portland.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, it's not even that. Yeah, they didn't make
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: it far at all.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: No, by morning's light, the FBI had the ground and
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: air covered in search crew looking for Cooper. However, remember
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: this is the Pacific Northwest. Yeah, you're outside of large cities,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: but there's a lot of mountains. There's a lot of
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: dense forest.
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: So you have a vast area and you're talking about
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: ten thousand feet up approximately in a window where he
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: might have jumped. You have a vast landing area.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: When were they so they were overlap So at that time, yes,
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: they were Okay, okay.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: So unfortunately, throughout persistent searching, the investigators never found any
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: trace of Cooper or his items.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Did he take the bomb with him?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: Yep, okay, took the bomb. He had a main parachute.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't put this in here because it's not important,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: but I brought up that dummy parachute. Yeah, we get
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: into a little bit about the main parachute. But the
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: dummy parachute they theorized because he took that with him
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: rather than the backup parachute. They think he may have
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: took that dummy one on purpose because he used it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: to still money, because the other backup parachute was actually
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: opened and pulled out as if he was trying to
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: stuff the money in that one.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: They think he wore a parachute and the other backup
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: one was actually for the money.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Huh. Gotta keep that money safe. Yeah, yeah, those dollar bills.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: So during the search, remember, like I said, the serial
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: numbers on the cash. You know, it was all collected,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it was all documented.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: So much smartness going on through this case.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Oh there is. It's very meticulous.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: So as soon as this was like happening, as soon
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: as this was secured that he's got the money and everything,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: these numbers were made public immediately. They were looking for
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: anyone who came across a bill matching one of these
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: serial numbers. And there was even newspaper articles and rewards
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: of up to twenty five thousand dollars for anyone who
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: could find a bill that matched one of those numbers.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, no one was ever able to find one of
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: these bills and match it to a serial number. No one,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: no one.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, I was expecting you to have like a big
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: list of reports.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: Nope, that is that's wild. Not until February tenth of
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine years later.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: Huh So.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: The person to find a matching serial number bill was
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: an eight year old boy named Brian Ingram. He was
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: on a small beach called Tina Bar on the Columbus River,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: about nine miles downstream of Vancouver, Washington. He was digging
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: in the sand and unearthed three stacks of cash totaling
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: five tho eight hundred and eighty dollars.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Seriously, he was.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Like, school right, start the car. I mean, that's probably
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: going to be my reaction when I find stacks of cash.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: No kidding, that's a lot of money.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: Oh definitely. I couldn't find if they got reward money
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: or not find hope.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So because he could have just kept that shit.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Well, it's going to be identified as soon as I
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: try and use it. And the money was quite deteriorated
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: as well.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, so anyway, resting.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: I kind of already alluded to it, but Brian's parents
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: gave the money to FBI, who then investigated money. The
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: two packs each contained one hundred twenty dollars bills, and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a third pack contained ninety It was a match. These
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: bills had the same serial numbers, and they were still
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: in the same order as when they were given to
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Cooper nine years earlier, because they recorded the bill stacked
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: all in chronological order even and it was still in
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: that specific order. So there's raised some questions.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Clearly, Well, yeah, like was it buried there or was
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: it had it fallen or well, I mean.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna get you're almost ahead of me a little bit.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: We're right on that, like did it fall, Like what happened?
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: How did it get there? The area though, in which
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: they estimated Cooper would have landed and where the money
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was found was over approximately twenty seven kilometers apart, and
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: not to mention, the beach where the money was found
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: wasn't even near the flight path that they took that
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Victor twenty three or whatever, so they weren't even close
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: to each other.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's kind of close twenty seven kilometers for.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: Ten thousand kilometers up and approximately where he landed, and
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: it's not even in the flight path, I guess.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Okay, So the.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: First theory that comes up is the money could it
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: have been lost by Cooper and maybe float floating down
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: a river because there's a lot of rivers connect to
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: an area, right, Yeah, So would it have floated down
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the river and made its way onto Tina Bar there?
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Not so much, because the Columbus River on the side
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: the bar the where it was found actually flows in
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the opposite direction.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that theory is out the window.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: That theory is pretty much out the window. But it
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: does kind of draw another question to the flight path
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: because if it was further east in a different drop zone,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: it could have led to rivers that could have been
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: going down and then connect to the Columbus River and
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: connect to that bar. Or if it was further west,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: it could have been a lot closer or maybe even
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: have dropped right near there. So it draws that flight
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: path into question. Now.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like that pilot knew what he
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: was doing.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: I think so. But even though these things are still questions.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little more east, a little more west, that
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: doesn't really explain everything. How would three bundles of cash
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: separate bundles make a twenty seven kilometer journey plus or
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: even falling one hundred thousand feet or whatever, fall side
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: by side on a river bank buried in the same spot.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was buried. I'm team buried, team buried.
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: So although the cash was significantly deteriorated, they were held
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: together by rubber bands, and Cooper made away with his
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: cash nine years ago. Rubber bands don't last that long,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: especially out in weather. Oh, they're going to deteriorate like snap.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: For the amount that the money had deteriorated, the rubber
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: bands would have by far basically, Well.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: There's actually an experiment that was done in two thousand
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: and nine on this specific brand of rubber bands, and
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: it shows that they could not withstand exposure to open
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: air or water for more than a year. So someone, Wow,
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: that money there within a year.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Holy shit.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: So that's eight years after dB Cooper that money was
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: placed there.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: That's wild. And there was ten set ten bills missing, yes,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: two who.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, what the fuck happened? And
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the only real way to explain it is human intervention.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Anyway else doesn't make sense.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: It might not even have been him. So yeah, someone
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: else could have maybe found this money and just like
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: hiding it.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: Right, I'm not saying it's Cooper, Yeah, but the only
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: way it could have gotten there was a person.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah who cool?
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Cool cool?
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I like this.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: So with that, the only evidence we have left on
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: Cooper is very little. He took the note from the plane,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like I said, I wrote to the stewardess. It's nowhere
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: to be found. So the only sample of handwriting they
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: have from him is on his plane ticket, where he
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: wrote his pseudonym or supposed name.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, now, if.
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: You remember, Cooper was also smoking on the plane. There
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: was eight cigarette butts left behind, and with modern technology
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: we should be able to pull DNA samples and compare
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: them to possible suspects.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Right right right, yeah, yeah.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That is if we still had the cigarette butts.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: Oh they didn't keep them.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, they went missing. They're they're just gone.
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: Oh he took them too.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: No, they were on the plane. They were found by investigators.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: What the heck, But now they just don't know where
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: they are. Cool, good job, So those are gone. We
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: had them, but they're gone now.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh my gosh.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there was later in the early twenty tens, DNA
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: taken from the tie he had left behind. However, that's
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: kind of moot because they don't know if it's actually
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: his DNA because it could have been contaminant DNA from
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: someone else, or it could have been like maybe he
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: just stole that time from someone at the airport, or
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: maybe he borrowed it from a friend. That's true, whose
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: DNA is it?
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Or he just picked it up like a thrift store
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: or something like.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: You have no idea, right, so if he had, if
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: we had those cigarettes, we could say these cigarettes were
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: on his lips, he smoked them, this is his DNA
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: or like.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: A cup or something. I can't believe they didn't have anything.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: They didn't have anything.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: That's actually bad because I was like, this guy's kind
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: of smart. But for him to leave the cup and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: the cigarettes.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: And stuff, well in the seventies though, DNA's wasn't really
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: a thing.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so you got me there.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: So what happened to Cooper to this day is a
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: mystery from here. While we're still got some facts to explore,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: most only suggest minimal to help support theories. Unfortunately. So
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: for example, like the four shoots, two were left behind.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Primary shoot was a the primary shoot of one left
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: behind There we go when was a quote unquote luxury
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: civilian shoot, while the one he took was an older
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: military model which had no steering. So some people say
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: he like just made a bad choice, he didn't know
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: what he was doing, or there's the argument it could
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: possibly suggest he was comfortable with this model that had
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: and had a military background. Oh okay, and not only that,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: the airplane model. Here's the model, the Boeing seven twenty seven.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: It was used by the CIA to drop military personnel
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: in Vietnam War due to its design with the staircase
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: located under the plane facing backwards.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Ohs okay. So they're thinking that he might have been
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: military military sounds like it or seems like it.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: It's it's a very probable explanation, but still that doesn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: lead us anywhere. It could explain some things, but it
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: doesn't really give us much to go on. One of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: another one of the most common theories actually is that
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Cooper didn't actually in fact survive the jump. It was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: nighttime in November, freezing temperatures, it was freezing rain and
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: strong winds. He jumped blindly with a shoot. He couldn't
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: steer into the Pacific Northwest Forest.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like by now Small would have
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: found him, or the parachute or something exactly. That's the case.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That's true, But maybe someone did and didn't know what
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: it was, or it's just deteriorated so far. Who knows.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: I'm going to believe that he's he's didn't I I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: don't like that one.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Something that supports what you're saying, though, is there was
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: never a missing person's report matching Cooper's description or the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: sketch that was ever filed afterwards, which might suggest he's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: still alive. Oh so no family has reported someone looking
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: like him to be missing, or.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: He just didn't really have family. That could be too.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: It could be it too.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: I feel like lots of people just like I bet
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: there's people go missing and no one's there are There
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: are lots of cases, which it's actually sad, Yeah, real sad.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: One of the first aspects whose initials were dB Cooper
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: was quickly eliminated, though, and due to a news paper
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: mix up they printed the initials dB Cooper in the
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: newspaper rather than Dan Cooper, the name that was the
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: pseudonym name of this guy who was on the airplane. Okay,
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: and well now it's history. Dan Cooper, the pseudonym name
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: is now become dB Cooper because of that print. So
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: that's where the name D. B. Cooper comes in, even
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: though he's referred to as Dan Cooper.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Interesting, okay, So yeah, huh.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: There's another theory that suggests Cooper was actually Canadian. There's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: a French comic series with a protagonist pilot by the
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: name of Dan Cooper. It's never been translated to English.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I mean maybe it has by modern day, but at
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: the time it definitely wasn't nor sold outside of Canada,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: and this could be an inspiration for his name.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Also, when Cooper was talking with the pilot on board
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the plane about his demands, there were some communication between
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: between ground control and the plane and then the plane
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: and dB Cooper, right, okay, between the plane and ground control. Posedly,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: they quoted him to say he was asking for American currency,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: which could mean that he's another nationality, because why would
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: an Americans specify American currency?
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: That's true, you would just say what you want, Yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: I just.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Want the dollars, motherfucker.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Huh.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: So that's another theory that he's actually Canadian.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: So he's up in our parts of the.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: Woods maybe, but again it's just a theory. Yeah, there's
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of theories out there on who dB
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Cooper is. Uh, there's several suspects out there and thousands
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of people actually who claim to know who he is.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'm talking like uncles, husbands, grandparents, neighbors, like the list
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: goes on, and of course many people to actually be
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: claiming to be dB Cooper himself, but with no definitive
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: evidence to support any of these claims there there's no
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: nothing to grasp onto. There's people literally on their deathbed
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: saying like, I have something to confess, I'm dB Coop.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: But of course there's more than one person doing that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Why though, that's so interesting? Why do people I don't know.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: Some people could just be so enthralled with the story
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: or enthralled with the tale, or maybe they want to
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it's some way of them to be remembered forever. They're
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: trying to be dB Cooper.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean he kind of seems like a
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: bad ass.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's definitely some suspects still out there, some
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: people who are like there's some pretty big coincidences going on.
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: Ex.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Military personnel for example, or people with named Dan Cooper,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: or people who have found their grandparents' possessions, and it's like, Oh,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: he's got this model parachute up in the attic that
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: was exactly the same as the one used, but it's
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: more than one. And I was trying to go through
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: some of them, and I'm like, if I start going
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: on this route of this guy, this guy, this guy,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be this is gonna be like a week
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: long podcast. Yeah, So what I'm gonna do is I
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: am going to drop a link down below with a
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: YouTube documentary that helped me out significantly, significantly with my
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: research actually, and they cover I believe, five different individuals,
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: some of the more high profile people. Okay, so if
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you want to check out some of the higher suspects,
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: go check them out. There's also an HBO documentary that
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched yet. I want to watch with more
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: people claiming their grandparents or whoever are dB Cooper.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Because but it also would be scary to admit it
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: at this point. You'd still have to like go to
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: court and stuff. I imagine, like they wouldn't just drop it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the suspects too, on their deathbed, who
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: they're like, you're dying, like let it, Like we think
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you're dB Cooper? Are you? And they're like, might be.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Some people are not confirming or denying, and some people
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: are trying to say I am. Some people are saying
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: I know who it is. It's just there's no evidence.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Shit, I want to know. I want to know.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: We're never gonna know, is the problem?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Okay? And that the money thing though, that money that
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: they like dug up yep was the only money that
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: they ever came across.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: Then, correct, Wow, Actually something I did come across weird.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I can't remember how much it was, but there were
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I think five or ten different bills that were sold
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: in auction that were the bills that were found on
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: that beach. Right.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, so some of them.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Were actually sold in auction as like collectibles and this
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Were yeah, that's cool.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: And it was like, I can't remember how much it
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: was sold for, but it was like I think all
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the bills in total, they were twenty dollars bills, So
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: if it was like ten, that's like two hundred dollars.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I think they sold for like thirty two grand or
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: something like.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Wow, who's making that money?
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I would want one of those bills, I know, I
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: actually would do. That's super cool.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: There is one more little piece of evidence here I
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: wanted to save to the end. As for Cooper's motive, Okay,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: why would he do this? Tina Mucklow, if you remember,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: was one of the stewardest upon the plane, right and
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: while the hijacking and all this was going down, she
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: asked him, like, why are you doing This's what's going on?
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: And he responded, and this is a quote from Tina, Yeah,
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: it's not because I have a grudge toward you towards
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: your airlines. It's just because I have.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: A grudge, just a grudge.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: But against who or why?
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Huh? And like okay, so, like I know what he
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: was doing wasn't great and ship, but like no one
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: really got harmed.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Really, yeah, it was harmed. But he stole a shit
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: ton of money.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: So what was his What was he you know, getting
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: out of this?
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: And it's money that he could never spend.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: Exactly because he would have known that too, I saw
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: the news and stuff going on.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: That's kind of one of the things that they were
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: trying to do, is they were trying to prevent him
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: from spending money. And if they did find some money
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: that was spent by him, huh, they're going to find him.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Man, you should have asked more questions. I should have
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: been on that airline. I would have asked him a
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: million questions.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Who are you, where do you live.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: What's the grudge? Tell me your background story, can see
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: your identification?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Holy So, of course, like I said, the Internet swarming
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: with theories and stories about this case, and you can
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: live literally go down a rabbit hole for like years
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: trying to figure out just too dB Cooper?
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, I imagine.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: But the fact remains, who is dB Cooper? It remains
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: one of the greatest unsolved mysteries in FBI history, and.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: It also sounds like it's one that will never know.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think we will, because if I'm gonna guess,
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: I would say dB Cooper is probably dead dead already,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: and if not, he's probably on his deathbed. And even
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: if he does, or he's close to being, like he's
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: got only a decade left maybe right, even if he
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: comes forward, there's so many people saying it already. The
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: only thing that's going to prove a person is dB
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: Cooper is if they come forward with the stacks of
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: cash and saying I'm dB Cooper.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Here's the money I stole, and maybe that parachute or the.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Note, right, maybe I think the money's the key player here.
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: All that money comes out there.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I think the money is the only way of definitively
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: proving it. If someone says, my grandpa left this in
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: my possession, it's a giant suitcase full of money and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it's all the serial numbers.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Even still, though, how do we know that her grandpa,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: with all that money he left her.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: A friend didn't give it to him or something.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So we still don't know who dB Cooper is. Dang,
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think we're ever going to know who dB
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Cooper is. But if that money comes forward, that's the
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: best shot we get. And I don't know if it'll
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: ever come forward.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: My brain is just going like a mile minute right now.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I really want to know. But yeah, it's kind of
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: neat leaving having it as a mystery, but I want
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: There's, like I said, there's there's rabbit holes to go down.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: I have because well, you know, I'm on night shift
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: half the time. I got to stay up to like
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: four am when I'm switching from days to nights. Yeah,
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: I've sat in front of the YouTube, like the rabbit
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: hole going down this video, that video, theories on this,
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: like many a times, it's one of my favorite cases.
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I want to watch this YouTube, yeah, video
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that you're talking about.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Well, like I said, well linked below and of course
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you'll see it before that.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the case. There you have, huh wild.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I appreciate you guys being here and listening
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and talking with us.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: And make sure you guys stay wicked.