Latest / Low to Grow / Destiny Pinto: From Compression Gloves to Building an Inclusive Future in Luxury Fashion with Vogue
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- 0:00The Vogue has shortlisted me as one of the winners.
- 0:02Of destiny Pinto is a designer and the CEO of by destiny Pinto,
- 0:07an accessories brand that has already been recognized by
- 0:10Vogue, Forbes 30 under 30, BMW and Nata Porter told me medical
- 0:15devices into bold and stylish expressions.
- 0:17Of identity, my favorite part was the official British Vogue
- 0:21shoot in Munich. It was the whole Vogue set up
- 0:25with like these massive drapes. It was just so-called seeing the
- 0:28Vogue team officially and Joaquin, who's one of the
- 0:31winners, he was super interested in like the BMW cars.
- 0:34And I was just looking at like the vogue team and like the
- 0:37behind the scenes. I literally had moments.
- 0:39I was just stepping out and being like this is not real,
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- 1:43Today I am joined by someone who is redefining what innovation
- 1:47and accessible entrepreneurship. Really means.
- 1:50Destiny Pinto is a designer and the CEO of By Destiny Pinto, an
- 1:54accessories brand that has already been recognized by both
- 1:58Forbes 30 under 30. BMW and Nata Forte have told me
- 2:02medical devices into bold and stylish expressions of identity.
- 2:07Her own journey began with experience of rheumatoid
- 2:10arthritis, and she began designing accessories both for
- 2:14herself and her best friend. Her brand quickly grew into a
- 2:17global community of people with a desire to be seen and to
- 2:21really personalize something that they have to wear every
- 2:23single day. At the heart of it all is
- 2:26Destiny's belief in identity, expression and inclusive
- 2:30innovation. Destiny, I am delighted to have
- 2:33you on the Load Pro Podcast. Thank you so much for having me,
- 2:37such a pleasure to be here. And likewise, I've been looking
- 2:40forward to our recording for a while now.
- 2:42Destiny, who do you want to be listening to our conversation
- 2:45today? Who do I want to be listening?
- 2:47Anyone, to be honest. But I think specifically, just
- 2:52take from this conversation that you can do anything you really
- 2:56put your mind to as long as you just keep at it and keep
- 2:59persevering. And you can do difficult things
- 3:01that are still really scary for even me starting business, being
- 3:05diagnosed with like a new health condition and dealing with that.
- 3:08Has there ever been a point where you wanted to give up?
- 3:12Oh, has there been a point? I think never give up.
- 3:16I don't think I've. I think the thing that's kept me
- 3:18so long is that that's just never been an option.
- 3:21But there's definitely been points where I'm so
- 3:23overwhelmingly stressed where I'm just like crying to like
- 3:28everyone around me. But I think those moments are
- 3:31important because without them, you're never really going to
- 3:34know how far you've come or how much stronger at dealing with
- 3:38certain things you've become. Destiny, where does your story
- 3:42start? My story starts probably in
- 3:46university. I was studying design for art
- 3:49direction at ual and that's when I first started getting flare
- 3:53ups of my rheumatoid arthritis. And I got diagnosed and I just
- 3:58saw that it messed with the project I was doing, like the
- 4:02work I was doing in university because I would usually create
- 4:06physical artwork. So I just remember getting
- 4:09really overwhelmed, anxious and not being able to physically
- 4:12create. So that's when I started this
- 4:15project. Firstly, turning the medical
- 4:18device that I wear, which is compression gloves to reduce
- 4:20inflammation because of my arthritis.
- 4:23Firstly, turning that into an accessory to wear with my
- 4:26outfits. And then secondly, figuring out
- 4:30a new way to create this project virtually and on my laptop as a
- 4:34more accessible way for me to design instead of physically
- 4:38creating stuff that's very strenuous to my body.
- 4:41And yeah, I just started this project, which then when I
- 4:44graduated, turned into my brand. It's now become a business where
- 4:48it's a fashion brand and accessories label for all types
- 4:52of medical device users. And now it's also just
- 4:55mainstream accessories with accessibility like seamlessly
- 4:58built into it. I love that, and I know that
- 5:02building for your friend was also quite central to your
- 5:04story. How did that come about?
- 5:06Yeah. So like I said, when I was doing
- 5:08my compression glove designs, I was in university and she's been
- 5:12my best friend ever since we were 14.
- 5:14And she got ostomy bag surgery as well around the same time,
- 5:19seeing that we're both where these medical devices for
- 5:22different types of autoimmune diseases.
- 5:24And we both had an experience where it was an invisible
- 5:28disability, but the only thing that was visible was our medical
- 5:32devices. And because we both love fashion
- 5:34so much, I just started basically designing both of us
- 5:39like matching accessories. And that's kind of how it grew
- 5:42to like matching medical devices.
- 5:44And then I was like, if I'm doing it for both of our medical
- 5:47device, why not take it one step further and include everyone
- 5:50else's medical device as well? That's beautiful is such an
- 5:53organic and also meaningful growth journey.
- 5:55And I know that you launched your Addison bag recently as
- 5:58well. I've seen you worked a few Times
- 5:59Now at the gala and most recently.
- 6:02Can you describe how the design process and the production
- 6:04process of that felt for you? Like all my projects with my
- 6:08work, I feel like it's all very personal and like intertwined
- 6:12with my personal growth with the business and the brand, and then
- 6:15also my own health. This Addison bag, it was
- 6:18literally no different. I want to create a shoulder bag
- 6:22with accessibility built in. So I spoke to so many different
- 6:26women, so many different wheelchair users, so many
- 6:28different women with problems such as endometriosis, women
- 6:31that have like period charities, stuff like that, to just get
- 6:35their thoughts on what they'd want to see in a shoulder bag.
- 6:39And then while also designing this shoulder bag and
- 6:42manufacturing it for the first time ever, I had to deal with my
- 6:44own health and my own flare ups, realizing that physically I am
- 6:49not able to go as fast or as intensely as someone else who's
- 6:54doing a product launch would go. So I kind of just had to lean
- 6:58back and go slowly and figuring out new ways to create Again, I
- 7:02thought I was done with that in university, but I feel like I'm
- 7:05constantly being reminded that like, no, it's not done and you
- 7:08need to learn new ways. So that's when I started doing
- 7:11AI voice dictation, doing AI visuals to do fun little
- 7:15campaign visuals for the Addison bag.
- 7:18I like that how you're really leaning into using AI tools
- 7:21because I'm as someone who is basically a solopreneur with I'm
- 7:25not sure how many team members you have at the moment actually.
- 7:27I have no employees or anything. I am a solo founder, work with
- 7:33external manufacturers, and I have a few people on my team
- 7:36like managers and agents that help me with different aspects
- 7:40of the brand. But yeah, I am a solo printer.
- 7:43I love that word. Yes, you are a female solo
- 7:46printer and it's wonderful to see you really lean into AI
- 7:49tools when you were first diagnosed with rheumatoid
- 7:54arthritis. How do those early days feel for
- 7:56you? The early days of when I was
- 7:58diagnosed, I think my health was really just on a back burner
- 8:02because I was just in university.
- 8:05I was in my first year and I feel like that was a priority
- 8:07for me, making the most out of my experience, making as many
- 8:11friends as I can, going out, doing as many experiences
- 8:15because it was the first time I was living away from home as
- 8:17well. And then I felt like my health
- 8:18just kind of got in the way of that where it was just really
- 8:21inconvenient. I was like, OK, well, now's not
- 8:23the great time for me to be like getting a flare up and I just
- 8:26find myself using random items around my dorm.
- 8:29That's compression where and like users, assistive devices.
- 8:32And then I think it kind of just, I had to have a moment.
- 8:36I think it was in second year at the almost at the end of my uni.
- 8:39No, yeah, second year. I think it was in the middle
- 8:42where I kind of just had to sit down.
- 8:43And I remember having a conversation with my best friend
- 8:46where we both just sat down and we were both going through quite
- 8:48personal journeys alongside our degree.
- 8:51And I was just like, there's no way I can physically ignore my
- 8:55health now and also do my degree.
- 8:58I had to incorporate this experience in what I was doing
- 9:03for my degree and what I was doing for my education.
- 9:05That's when I decided to focus in on 3rd year to create this
- 9:09project and use it as a form of therapy for me to be able to be
- 9:14more comfortable talking about my illness as a way to find more
- 9:18people with similar types of illnesses to me and then also
- 9:22find new ways to create that's more sustainable for me and I
- 9:25would actually be able to work in my degree and not drop out
- 9:29because that was a thought. I wouldn't actually drop out.
- 9:32But I feel like when I was really emotional and when I was
- 9:33going through really bad times in my health, I just like I'd
- 9:37say I'm not doing this anymore, finding new ways to create and
- 9:40then also having fun with it like learning virtual design,
- 9:43learning how to use Glenda marvelous designer and then also
- 9:46AI ChatGPT just came out. I think it just gave me a new
- 9:49spark for creating and moving forward.
- 9:53That's very beautiful. I think when you were really
- 9:55struggling with your health and also your university and your
- 9:57workload, were there people that you leaned into to help you get
- 10:00through those times? I think you mentioned your
- 10:02friend a few times. Yeah, definitely my friend.
- 10:06All my friends are just such sweethearts.
- 10:08I feel like they were really there for me, brought
- 10:10everything, but especially my family as well.
- 10:13They are and have always been like my rock.
- 10:15They would literally drive down to my university almost every
- 10:19weekend or every a couple weeks to give me food, just do
- 10:23everything they can to make my experience in uni a bit easier
- 10:26for me. Besides my friends and my
- 10:28family, I don't think I had that much of A support system.
- 10:32I didn't really go to my university talking about how
- 10:35intense it was and so they didn't really give me that much
- 10:39support. Maybe if I had gone to them and
- 10:42talk to them a bit more about it, then maybe I would have got
- 10:45more resources. I was DSA, which is a thing
- 10:49called disability student something ergonomic furniture
- 10:53and stuff that if you apply for it, you can get through
- 10:56university. And then there's also this thing
- 10:58where if you needed it, you can like get taxis to and from
- 11:02university. But I never really used it
- 11:05because I felt like it was just so much more hassle doing all
- 11:08that process and that admin anything to just get it.
- 11:10So I just ended up like booking a lot of things.
- 11:12Myself. OK, I see.
- 11:16I'm quite curious because I'm going to university in about
- 11:18stage of life like eighteens early 20s, but secured by a lot
- 11:21of people go through a lot of change and you know, sometimes
- 11:25moving out of their family home to university about so so quite
- 11:28a big life transition. And for you there was also the
- 11:30added owners of your health as well.
- 11:33Were there any moments where you felt that you were losing parts
- 11:36of yourself because of your diagnosis?
- 11:40I don't think I ever felt like I was losing a part of myself.
- 11:45It was already a period where it was COVID and the pandemic, so I
- 11:49felt like everything was kind of up in the air anyway.
- 11:52And I knew that I was going to work extra hard to have the best
- 11:56experience I could. And that meant being more
- 11:59outgoing, more social, more putting myself up for like new
- 12:03experiences and stuff. And I knew that I was going to
- 12:06do that. I felt like it was a mindset
- 12:07thing from day one that I was going to push myself.
- 12:10In university, I really, really did push myself more so I feel
- 12:13like I wasn't losing parts of myself, but I was definitely
- 12:16exerting parts of myself. You definitely convened the
- 12:20energy and your experiences into making something into creation,
- 12:25and that's what led to your brand and all the really helpful
- 12:28products that you have been able to make for your community
- 12:30around the world. So tell me a bit about how you
- 12:33became to be featured in Vogue and have a partnership with BMW.
- 12:37My Vogue project was called the Future Creators Competition, and
- 12:42it was when I graduated university, I was still working
- 12:45on my brand. I was still designing a lot of
- 12:48things. And I remember seeing this thing
- 12:51off like British Vogue is calling all fashion designers
- 12:54with BMW. And I made a deck and I
- 12:57basically reimagined all these medical devices and I put in a
- 13:01lot of my brand work. And I basically told them what I
- 13:04do, what inspired it, And I applied for it.
- 13:07And then I completely forgot about it.
- 13:10And then a couple months later, it was like, you've been
- 13:13shortlisted as one of the winners.
- 13:16And I was like, no way. The Vogue has shortlisted me as
- 13:19one of the winners. And I, I don't know.
- 13:21It was very surreal. And then when I found out I was
- 13:24one of the winners, it was crazy.
- 13:27It was because, I don't know, it went from like nothing really
- 13:30happening with my work and with my brand to then British Vogue
- 13:34reaching out and being like, we want you to be one of our future
- 13:36creators. And it was me and two other
- 13:39winners, Joaquin and Selena, and they're both such talented
- 13:42designers. It was a ongoing project for a
- 13:47couple months where they started where they flew us out to Munich
- 13:50and took us to the BMW headquarters and then we met the
- 13:53Vogue team, the BMW team. The aim was to create a design
- 13:57for them and they really loved my reimagined hearing aid
- 14:02design. I made a little conceptual
- 14:04design based on the BMW car and they loved that.
- 14:07So I ended up creating a collection of assistive devices,
- 14:10including a hearing aid and then a compression glove.
- 14:14Because one of the creator directors said that it's very
- 14:18significant to include the compression gloves in the line
- 14:21of accessories. Because it directly tells the
- 14:24story of why I'm doing this in the 1st place and by my own
- 14:29chronic illness. And that's why I'm taking my
- 14:31medical device and then taking other people's medical device
- 14:33and creating. That's a fantastic story arc and
- 14:36it must have been so exciting to be found out by Vogue to the BMW
- 14:39headquarters in Munich. Yeah, I was so sorry.
- 14:42It was really great. Well, what's your favorite part?
- 14:45Of that trip, Oh I got every literally we were there for like
- 14:484 days I think and every day was the most insane things ever.
- 14:52I think my favorite part was the official British Vogue shoot in
- 14:57Munich. We've done 2 official shoots
- 15:00with them, one in Munich and then won a couple months later
- 15:03in London. But the one in Munich was
- 15:06completely insane because it was the BMW cars.
- 15:08It was the whole Vogue set up with like these massive drapes.
- 15:12It was just so cool. See the Vogue team officially
- 15:15work and Joaquin, who's one of the winners, he was super
- 15:18interested in like the BMW cars because he's really into like
- 15:21automobile design and stuff. And I was just looking at like
- 15:25the Vogue team and like the behind the scenes.
- 15:27I'm like how Vogue puts together a project.
- 15:31I just found that so, so cool. And I literally had moments.
- 15:34I was just stepping out and being like, this is not real.
- 15:38This is not happening. I still don't believe it really
- 15:40did happen to be honest, but it was really cool.
- 15:45That was very humble of you to say.
- 15:47How has your ambitions for yourself and also for your brand
- 15:52developed since then? When I first started, I think it
- 15:55was a lot of imposter syndrome because firstly, like I said,
- 16:01going from like nothing crazy happening to them, Vogue being
- 16:05like, we want you to be one of the winners.
- 16:08I think there was a lot of feelings of like, well, this is
- 16:11too much too quickly. And then there was also the fact
- 16:14that having rheumatoid arthritis, I, I just felt like I
- 16:19was not an expert in the field of accessible fashion and being
- 16:23the face of creating all these medical devices.
- 16:25I don't really know what I'm doing.
- 16:27I've just graduated university. And then I just had to realize,
- 16:30which I've now realized, your lived experience is so important
- 16:33and rheumatoid arthritis is a hidden disability.
- 16:38I feel like I knew so much about the disability space and about
- 16:43people's experience with it and chronic illnesses.
- 16:46There is still so much to learn, but I feel like I'm more
- 16:50equipped with being willing to learn, being able, being more
- 16:53confident to speak to people and like ask about their own
- 16:56experiences, and then have a bit more confidence to be able to
- 16:59tell a story the way I would want my story to be told, and
- 17:03then the way the people I work with would want their story to
- 17:06be told as well. What is something that you wish
- 17:08more people understood about living with a disability or
- 17:12living with a chronic illness? Part of my brand is kind of
- 17:17showing that there's no particular or set way
- 17:21disabilities can look like you can either love makeup, love
- 17:26fashion, or you are sick and or you're disabled.
- 17:31The two can coexist into one. Me and a lot of other girls with
- 17:35hidden disabilities or chronic illnesses realizes that just
- 17:39because we look healthy and we look completely fine and like
- 17:42put together doesn't mean that we're not sick and doesn't mean
- 17:45that we're not having flare ups. We're not going through a hard
- 17:47time. Not all disabilities are
- 17:49visible. Be more empathetic.
- 17:52Ask them how they're feeling. If you know that they have a
- 17:54chronic illness, ask them if they're having a good day, if
- 17:56they're having a bad day, There's anything you can do.
- 17:58Because I feel like with hidden disabilities and chronic
- 18:01illnesses, we just we kind of suck it up a lot of the time and
- 18:05kind of push through flare ups. But I'm realizing now that I
- 18:09need to be more assertive and voice when I'm not feeling well
- 18:11or when I'm not having a good day.
- 18:13What I really loved about the Addison bag was the color.
- 18:17Actually, I've read that's a really bold color, and I really
- 18:20love the contrast of having a really bright visible color
- 18:26represent or be used or be directed towards hidden
- 18:29disabilities. And I think that's just such a
- 18:31powerful neon statement. And I'm quite curious, what are
- 18:35your favorite set of colors? What's the colour palette that
- 18:38you lean towards yourself? I think I'm such like a neutral
- 18:42girl, like I love my as you can tell, I love my like blacks,
- 18:46whites, Grays, but then also the thing that I love is like I love
- 18:50like a pop of colour with my access feel like accessories are
- 18:53where I love to play and I love to like add like the texture and
- 18:57the colour. So that's what I wanted to do
- 18:59with the Addison. But then there was also from the
- 19:01marketing point of view, I knew that the red silver ostomy bag
- 19:06design that I created was the most viral of the designs.
- 19:10By making the Addison bag kind of have that similar aesthetic.
- 19:13I've kind of knew what the algorithm would pick up, which
- 19:17thankfully it did. I'm talking about algorithms.
- 19:20You have built quite a significant following online and
- 19:22a growing community of people who are living with hidden
- 19:25disabilities or chronic illnesses.
- 19:27What did you learn about building community and trust
- 19:29online, especially around something that's as vulnerable
- 19:32and as personal as medical identity?
- 19:36My audience is filled with a lot of people with hidden
- 19:38disabilities, but also visible disabilities and chronic
- 19:41illnesses, but also people that just have nothing of that.
- 19:44They don't have any disabilities, no health
- 19:46conditions. They just really love the cause,
- 19:49which I love. What I've learned about my page
- 19:52and my socials is that just be like authentic and post what I
- 19:57would want to see. Best way to go ahead with
- 20:00fashion brands, which a lot of founders would agree is like be
- 20:04your audience. Like you are your number one
- 20:07audience. Like when you start a brand
- 20:09because of your lived experience.
- 20:11You need to see yourself as a first audience member.
- 20:15Can I create? Even if it's those hot girls
- 20:18wearing medical devices, doing their thing and just being
- 20:21confident and visible and just loving fashion and all of that.
- 20:25Like, it's the kind of content I would have loved to see when I
- 20:27was first diagnosed and I still love to see now.
- 20:31And how do you think that the perception around a disability
- 20:34has changed since you started your brand?
- 20:39I don't know if it's changed that much, but I do know that in
- 20:44education and stuff, maybe people are, they have more of
- 20:49like a better, stronger case study.
- 20:51Because I know a lot of people use my brand when they're
- 20:53talking about accessible fashion, which is really great
- 20:55to see. And because I knew when I was in
- 20:58uni and I was looking for specific brands and stuff, I
- 21:01found it quite difficult. Well, congratulations.
- 21:03I think it's great to become the reference point for a whole
- 21:07class of accessories. So that's really, really
- 21:09special. I think it's, you know, for any
- 21:11of their listeners, and these are people in their 20s or 30s
- 21:14for those who might be navigating something similar.
- 21:17So having a hidden illness or having a chronic illness, what
- 21:21kind of encouragement would you give them?
- 21:25Go easy on yourself and just let yourself do things quite slowly.
- 21:30And definitely listen to your body when you're doing things,
- 21:33because I know in this world there's a lot of hustle culture,
- 21:38you need to do things as quickly and as fast as possible.
- 21:41But the reality is when you have a chronic illness or disability,
- 21:44you can't do that. And it's unrealistic standard
- 21:47that's going to burn you out and lead to even more flare ups and
- 21:50even more time that you need to spend recovering.
- 21:53Yeah, just listen to your body. Go slow, figure things out,
- 21:58prioritize your health alongside your work because your work is
- 22:01not going to get any easier if your health is bad, and try to
- 22:05reach out to other people that have similar things so you can
- 22:08have a bit of a support system and you know you're not alone.
- 22:11The community that you're building around first was to
- 22:14help people as they find you. Wanna see your page?
- 22:16You mentioned you were at university when you first
- 22:19started building for your brand and then now it's become a full
- 22:22blame brand. And if you're delivering to
- 22:24multiple countries across the world, did you ever raise
- 22:26investment? I've never raised investment,
- 22:29no. I've bootstrapped the entire
- 22:30thing. The process of setting up my
- 22:33company was quite a slow process.
- 22:35I just started operating as a sole trader first.
- 22:39I recently set up my Ltd and it was an easy process.
- 22:44The application was an easy process, but I think I just
- 22:47prolonged it for so long because there was more of a mental block
- 22:50and an emotional block. What was that block that you
- 22:53were facing? Just like the severity of like
- 22:58actually having an official company and what that would
- 23:01entail. And I think a lot of things with
- 23:03running your own business and stuff, it's more of a mental
- 23:06game of like not willing to have the responsibilities you're kind
- 23:10of pushing off. But I think you just kind of
- 23:13need to work on your mindset and just like, it's OK, take baby
- 23:16steps and you'll figure things out as they come.
- 23:20Does anyone in your family have their own company?
- 23:22Like, are you from a family of entrepreneurs or are you the
- 23:24first one to do so? In my direct family, I'm the
- 23:27first one who's going solo and have been starting their own
- 23:31business and the rest of my family work a normal 9:00 to
- 23:345:00. But I think extended family, my
- 23:38uncle has his own business, he has his own hotel.
- 23:41So it's a bit different because it's also in a different
- 23:43country. So it's not could really reach
- 23:46out and get help with stuff in the UK and stuff like that.
- 23:50So I kind of just had to figure information out myself through
- 23:55YouTube, podcasts, ChatGPT, learning just as much as I can.
- 24:00But then my family, just my direct family and my extended
- 24:04family, they support me in a lot of different other ways, which
- 24:07is helpful, I think. For sure, I think family support
- 24:11is always so lovely and I so, so crucial and so core to how
- 24:15entrepreneurs and especially as a solo fan would be able to
- 24:18start out Destiny. Looking ahead, what are your
- 24:22ambitions for 2026? My ambitions would just be to
- 24:29just bring my brand and my company more to life.
- 24:35What does that mean to you? I think I've been laying the
- 24:38foundation of it throughout 2025 with a lot of AD mini stuff that
- 24:44I had to do and getting the building blocks and things in
- 24:47place. But I'm excited for 2026 to have
- 24:50more in person events, have more community, have more physical
- 24:55products, which is already on the way with the Addison bag.
- 24:58Yeah, bring it to life. Peaceful and how could anyone
- 25:02who's listening help you towards that?
- 25:05Oh, if you want to buy my products, it's on my store.
- 25:09That's always helpful for small business, even if you don't want
- 25:13to buy anything. Even just supporting me through
- 25:16social media, that's also super helpful.
- 25:20Very true indeed, and what is one thing that you believe will
- 25:24allow more people to have better mental health I.
- 25:28Think better mental health is taking care of your physical
- 25:33body is so important for feeling better mentally.
- 25:38I know especially for me with chronic illness, taking care of
- 25:42my arthritis, dealing with flare ups as they come, not pushing
- 25:46myself too hard, all leads to me feeling more relaxed and more
- 25:50calm. And then that helps my mental
- 25:54health. So even whether you don't have a
- 25:56chronic illness or whether it's just like going to the gym and
- 26:00being more active and keeping in shape and healthy, that also
- 26:03helps your mind so much. Thank you.
- 26:06It's been a pleasure to have you on the later podcast.
- 26:09Yeah, it's been so nice. Thank you for having me.
- 26:11Thank you for listening you excited for the next episode.
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