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Can Wishing Actually Change Your Brain? | Brownell Landrum [Ep 89] · Glovisor Podcast

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Speaker 1: Joan of Arc had a vision. Gandhi had a mantra.
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Speaker 1: Martin Luther King had a dream. What if today it's
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Speaker 1: a wish backed by science? Welcome to the.
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Speaker 2: Globalizer podcast, where we explore business growth, communication, and personal
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Speaker 2: development through real conversations with people who make an impact.
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Speaker 3: Our guest explores the fascinating space where science, storytelling, business,
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Speaker 3: and the mysteries of possibility collide. She's a TEDx speaker, explorer,
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Speaker 3: change catalyst, and author of more than a dozen books,
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Speaker 3: including The Art and Science of Wishing. Lowvisor welcomes Bronelle Landrum.
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm so excited to be here.
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Speaker 2: I can't wait. All right, Bronelle, so tell us a
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Speaker 2: little bit more about what you do and who do
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Speaker 2: you serve.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, as you said, I'm all those things. I'm
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Speaker 1: an explorer. I'm a speaker. I'm a change catalyst. And
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Speaker 1: What I'm doing now really is trying to change the world.
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Speaker 1: So when you say, you know, who do I serve
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Speaker 1: and what am I trying to do? I really do
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Speaker 1: believe that we are in a world that needs some
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Speaker 1: uplifting and that what's really fascinating about what I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to do is that collective wishing rituals have been a
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Speaker 1: key driver of survival since the dawn of humanity. And
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Speaker 1: so that's what I want to bring back. And One
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Speaker 1: of the things that I have in one of my
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Speaker 1: talks starts with Joan of Arc had a vision. Gandhi
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Speaker 1: had a mantra. Martin Luther King had a dream. What
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Speaker 1: if today it's a wish backed by science?
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Speaker 2: That's a great start.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now, you want to change the world. That's it? That's
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Speaker 2: all you want to do?
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Speaker 1: That's it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Just a few people. Just to let this.
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Speaker 2: Tell us, how did you start this? What made you
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Speaker 2: go down this path?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if you look at my background, I'm
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Speaker 1: a storyteller. Like you said, I've written over a dozen
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Speaker 1: books and some of them have been nonfiction and some
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Speaker 1: of them have been fiction. And this started while I
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Speaker 1: was writing a fictional book and I was writing about
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Speaker 1: this magical world upstairs. I call it upstairs where wishes
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Speaker 1: are sorted and granted and it's kind of a magical
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Speaker 1: realism type of world. And then one night I was
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Speaker 1: listening to a lecture on neuroplasticity because I'm weird like that.
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Speaker 1: I listen to science lectures when I can't sleep. And
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Speaker 1: then instead of putting me to sleep, it woke me up.
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Speaker 1: And I thought, wait a minute. Is there science here?
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Speaker 1: Is there science in wishing? And so that just led to,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been this experience, but
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Speaker 1: some kind of idea comes and then you just can't
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Speaker 1: let it go because it just starts opening up this world.
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Speaker 1: And I started researching it and I found that every
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Speaker 1: time you make a wish, you engage over a dozen sciences.
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Speaker 2: A dozen sciences.
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Speaker 1: Over a dozen. And actually, my book quotes over 70
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Speaker 1: different scientists and dozens of different kinds of sciences. So
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Speaker 1: it starts getting really, really deep and interesting, whether you're
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Speaker 1: talking about neuroscience or biology or psychology, quantum physics. You know,
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Speaker 1: it kind of covers so many different bases. Motivation science.
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Speaker 1: And like I just mentioned, the Martin Luther King, I
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Speaker 1: did an analysis of his talk. And so many sciences
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Speaker 1: are in that talk that people don't necessarily realize. Things
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Speaker 1: like transportation theory and mirror neurons, getting people to be
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Speaker 1: in alignment and words that he used that activated the
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Speaker 1: parasympathetic nervous system that made us more creative and more optimistic.
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Speaker 1: So many things like that. And so I just got
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Speaker 1: really kind of geeked out. I just got into all
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Speaker 1: the sciences.
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Speaker 2: How does this work? Here I am. I wish for X,
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Speaker 2: whatever that is. Does whatever I'm wishing for makes a
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Speaker 2: difference in my brain?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of factors in how you're making the wish,
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Speaker 1: what you're wishing for, how you repeat the wish, what
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Speaker 1: are the triggers for the wish. Let me back up
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Speaker 1: a little bit and just talk about the difference between
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Speaker 1: a wish, a prayer, and a goal. Because you've got
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Speaker 1: a lot of business people listening, right? And so they're like,
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Speaker 1: I'm a goal setter wishing this is just crap, you know.
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Speaker 1: And I will say that I love skeptics. So bring
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Speaker 1: on the skeptics and bring on the skeptics questions. I
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Speaker 1: even have a chapter in my book called Fun with Skeptics. Because,
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Speaker 1: you know, there's now there's a difference between a cynic
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Speaker 1: and a skeptic. A cynic just wants to put down everything.
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Speaker 1: Those don't add any value. And if you're running a company,
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Speaker 1: you don't really need the cynics in your company. Right.
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Speaker 1: But the skeptics are like, OK, prove it to me.
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Speaker 1: Give me some facts. Let me look at the, you know,
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Speaker 1: the data behind this and not just the woo woo
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Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I actually I have my own podcast,
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Speaker 1: which I'm going to have you on. And I had
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Speaker 1: somebody on there and he's like, I'm a goal setter.
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Speaker 1: This wishing is crap. I haven't wished in decades. And
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Speaker 1: by the end of it, he was like, OK, wow,
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Speaker 1: you just like my mind and opened up so much
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Speaker 1: for me. So I'm hoping to do that with you
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Speaker 1: and with your your listeners as well to show how
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Speaker 1: much more powerful this is.
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Speaker 2: Well, my question would be, so if I set a goal,
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Speaker 2: is that a wish?
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Speaker 1: No, not necessarily. That's what I was going to say.
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Speaker 1: The difference between a wish, a prayer and a goal, right?
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Speaker 1: Goal is usually something that you feel like is in
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Speaker 1: your control. Like you could set the steps up. I'm
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Speaker 1: going to lose 10 pounds. I'm going to get this
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Speaker 1: degree or I'm going to meet these business goals, right?
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Speaker 1: And it's here. It is usually quantifiable, very defined and
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Speaker 1: usually in your control, right? And prayer is for those
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Speaker 1: things outside your control, right? You just, there's nothing you
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Speaker 1: can do. So you're going to ask for help from
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Speaker 1: whatever that source is. And wishes are kind of this
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Speaker 1: beautiful middle ground that they allow for the things outside
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Speaker 1: of your control. And then they help reframe the things
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Speaker 1: that you think are goals, but also can make them
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Speaker 1: actually much more powerful, especially when, now this is my
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Speaker 1: little tagline for the business people. We all know about
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Speaker 1: our taglines is, you know, how do you turn a
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Speaker 1: wish into what I call a cosmic wish? And that's
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Speaker 1: by applying the science. So when you start learning about
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Speaker 1: the sciences, then you can start making it stronger and
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Speaker 1: making it more powerful.
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Speaker 2: I make a wish. That's sort of in the middle ground.
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Speaker 2: What I can control or what I cannot control.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: It's right in the middle there. So once I do that,
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Speaker 2: do I have to verbalize it or just a thought
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Speaker 2: of it internally? Will that create the change?
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Speaker 1: Well, there's a few factors on, like I said, how
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Speaker 1: you make the wish, right? That matter. Usually wishes include anthropology.
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Speaker 1: So we're talking science now. And the anthropology is there's
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Speaker 1: a ritual. There's something that prompts you to make that wish.
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Speaker 1: And ideally it's something that you can do and that
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Speaker 1: happens every day, right? So it's whether you're brushing your
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Speaker 1: teeth or a certain time on the clock or something.
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Speaker 1: So when you think back to very, very beginning of humanity,
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Speaker 1: they wished together and they usually had some sort of ritual,
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Speaker 1: first star of the night, maybe it's a dandelion, maybe
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Speaker 1: it's You know, some other throwing a coin into a fountain,
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Speaker 1: birthday candles, all those kinds of things. And that is
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Speaker 1: part of who we are as humans, right? Is that
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Speaker 1: ritual and keeping that memory and keeping that thing going.
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Speaker 1: So first, ideally, your wish started with a ritual, right?
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Speaker 1: And that's something that you can repeat every day. So
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Speaker 1: that's your sort of your first beginning. And then how
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Speaker 1: do you make it stronger? You've done it every day.
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Speaker 1: And when you do it every day, then you're triggering
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Speaker 1: what's called neuroplasticity. You're training your brain to look for
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Speaker 1: the solutions to that wish. So when you said, do
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Speaker 1: I say it out loud? You don't necessarily have to.
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Speaker 1: There is a section in my book about when do
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Speaker 1: you share your wish and when do you not share
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Speaker 1: your wish? And that is really important because We all
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Speaker 1: know that there are sometimes naysayers in our lives, and
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Speaker 1: the wrong person at the wrong time can kind of
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Speaker 1: diminish your impact of your wish, and that the naysayers
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Speaker 1: at the right time can't. And so when you say
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Speaker 1: out loud, definitely the auditorial part of your brain is
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Speaker 1: more engaged when you say it out loud. I also
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Speaker 1: try to say to people, put up your three fingers,
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Speaker 1: which is a W for wish, right? And that it
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Speaker 1: also means that it ties into what I call the
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Speaker 1: three Ps of cosmic wishing, which means it needs to
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Speaker 1: be peaceful, positive, and purposeful. So if you can take
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Speaker 1: the three fingers, you can put them maybe on your heart.
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Speaker 1: And actually, there's some research that says if you look
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Speaker 1: up while you're making your wish, it makes it stronger.
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Speaker 1: So there's actually some interesting science about what that does
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Speaker 1: to your polyvagal system and then make your wish. And
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Speaker 1: so if you can do that and make sure while
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Speaker 1: you're making your wish that you are peaceful, you're positive,
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Speaker 1: and you're purposeful, and also what you're wishing for meets
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Speaker 1: those three Ps, then you've just made your wish a
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Speaker 1: whole lot stronger. Does that make sense or does that
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Speaker 1: sound like woo woo?
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Speaker 3: No, no, no.
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Speaker 2: It does make sense. And, you know, but what's interesting is,
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Speaker 2: is that why some of the wishes come true and
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Speaker 2: some don't? Because maybe during some of those I looked
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Speaker 2: up and during the others I didn't. Could that be
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Speaker 2: some of the elements that made that difference?
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Speaker 1: It can definitely increase your probability. right? And doing it
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Speaker 1: every day, as I said, is neuroplasticity. It also triggers
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Speaker 1: what's called the reticular activating system. Are you familiar with that?
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Speaker 4: No, no.
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Speaker 2: Please tell us more.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. We've all experienced this. We just didn't necessarily know
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Speaker 1: the term of it. But all of a sudden when
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Speaker 1: we become aware of something, then our brain sees it everywhere.
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Speaker 1: So maybe you're looking to buy a certain kind of
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Speaker 1: car and you're just really passionate about red Jeeps all
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, and then you see them everywhere. Well,
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Speaker 1: when we make a wish and we make it with
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Speaker 1: as many of those, you know, anthropological, physiological techniques as
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Speaker 1: we can, and we make it every day, then we
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Speaker 1: teach our brain, okay, I'm going to look for the
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Speaker 1: solution for that wish. So that's one of the things
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Speaker 1: that some people say, oh, wish as if it's already
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Speaker 1: happened and just assume it's happened and live in that world.
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Speaker 1: There's a little bit of trickiness on that because you
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Speaker 1: do need to see yourself making it happen. Yet you
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Speaker 1: also need to open up your brain to look for
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Speaker 1: the solution to make it happen. So if you think
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Speaker 1: it's already happened, your brain is not triggered to look
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Speaker 1: for that answer. So like, for example, maybe it is,
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a very solid business goal and I'm going to,
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Speaker 1: we're going to have some fun and do some examples
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Speaker 1: of how to turn that into a more powerful wish.
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Speaker 1: And then, so by doing that though, then you are
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Speaker 1: starting to see, oh, wait a minute, this is a
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Speaker 1: way I can do that. This is a way I
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Speaker 1: can do that. This can give me a solution. And
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Speaker 1: you may even be something like you're driving down the
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Speaker 1: street and there's a billboard and it triggers another idea.
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Speaker 2: One of the things that I want to talk about
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Speaker 2: is that in the positive mindset, in positive thinking world,
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Speaker 2: they say, think that it's already happened. It's already arrived.
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Speaker 2: So that way it will happen. And you're saying that
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Speaker 2: if it, if you've already, if you already believe that
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Speaker 2: it happened, then your brain won't look for the solution.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
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Speaker 2: So how does it contradict the other mindset?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's a great question. Um, Well, first you
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Speaker 1: do kind of need to visualize as if it's happened
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Speaker 1: so that you can see it there. Because what you
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Speaker 1: want to do is, I call it the motivation matrix,
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Speaker 1: which is something I came up with. And you can
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Speaker 1: imagine kind of a four square grid. And the left
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Speaker 1: column is want, the right column is don't want. The
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Speaker 1: top row is have, the bottom row is don't have.
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Speaker 1: So you've got The quadrants are things you want that
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Speaker 1: you have, things that you want that you don't have,
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Speaker 1: things that you don't want that you have, and things
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Speaker 1: that you don't want and don't have. And so when
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Speaker 1: you are able to visualize your wish as if it's happened,
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Speaker 1: you are going to see the things and be able
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Speaker 1: to see the things that maybe even that quadrant of
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Speaker 1: the things you don't want and don't have, you've got
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Speaker 1: to be aware of because they could be blocking you
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Speaker 1: from your wish. For example, you could say, oh, I
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Speaker 1: wish for this job. And then all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: that job means you're going to be working harder or
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Speaker 1: you're going to have to travel more or you're going
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Speaker 1: to have to move. Then all of a sudden the want,
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Speaker 1: don't want, don't have start rearing their ugly little head
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Speaker 1: and go all of a sudden you have to move
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Speaker 1: or you have to work harder. So being able to
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Speaker 1: visualize it as it's happened or as if it's happened
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Speaker 1: does help you to see yourself in that place. And
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Speaker 1: then you still have to go back to real life.
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Speaker 1: And so when you're saying the people that say and manifesting,
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Speaker 1: as soon as it's happened and live every day as
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Speaker 1: if it's happened, they're blocking that part of your brain,
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Speaker 1: like you said. And there's actually some really kind of
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Speaker 1: scary pitfalls in that world because, and I'm old chapter
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Speaker 1: on the problems and pitfalls with wishing because some people
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Speaker 1: make bad decisions and Like, oh, they think, well, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to buy that house because I want to prove
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Speaker 1: to the universe, whatever that means, that it's happened. And
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Speaker 1: then they're defaulting on mortgages for houses they couldn't afford. Right.
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Speaker 1: So there's and there's some really interesting like percentage default
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Speaker 1: rates for people that have that mindset. So let's bring
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Speaker 1: it more practical and just say, yes, we need to
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Speaker 1: be able to see ourselves. So we need to know
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Speaker 1: what could happen, but also know that we've got to
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Speaker 1: let our brain do what it does, which is help
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Speaker 1: us find those answers.
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Speaker 2: Do wishes have a specific limitation? And I'm asking because
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Speaker 2: I wish I would have Jeff Bezos' income. So based
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Speaker 2: on where I am today, does my wish have a limitation?
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Speaker 1: The best way to answer that is to know how
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Speaker 1: to take away those limitations. And so that you can
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Speaker 1: use the science to help you get there. Um, and
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Speaker 1: like for sometimes, um, when somebody says, I wish for
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Speaker 1: a million dollars, for example, um, not quite Jeff Bezos,
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Speaker 1: he probably makes a million dollars a minute. Who knows
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Speaker 1: what the math is, but, um, it may be more
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Speaker 1: than that. I can't even conceive of it, but let's
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Speaker 1: just use a simple thing. Like I wish for a
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Speaker 1: million dollars. Um, It really, really helps to get and
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Speaker 1: turn that, what I would say, into a cosmic wish.
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Speaker 1: What is it that you want? What is it you
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Speaker 1: need versus what you want? For example, you say, I
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Speaker 1: want a million dollars or wish for a million dollars. Why?
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Speaker 1: Because the why gets you closer to what you want.
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Speaker 1: For example, I had somebody on my show that said,
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Speaker 1: that they wish for a million dollars. And then I said, well, why?
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Speaker 1: What's your why? You know, because you look for your
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Speaker 1: want versus your need and your need is a much
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Speaker 1: more compelling desire and motivation. And he said, well, I
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Speaker 1: want to use it to create this business that's going
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Speaker 1: to make this huge difference in the world. And I
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Speaker 1: really think that I could hire people and we could
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Speaker 1: get all this community built and all this stuff without
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Speaker 1: giving away his particular idea. And I was like, that's
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Speaker 1: so much more powerful because if you're wishing for a
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Speaker 1: million dollars and you tell all these people I'm wishing
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Speaker 1: for a million dollars, you're like, well, me too, me too,
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Speaker 1: me too, me too. That's not going to get a
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Speaker 1: lot of support from others, right? But if you say,
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Speaker 1: I wish to build this business like yours, it's like
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Speaker 1: there are people probably listening going, I want that too.
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Speaker 1: How can I help you do that? And so it
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Speaker 1: could be much more than a million dollars. Because you're
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Speaker 1: starting to get people that are wishing with you and
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Speaker 1: helping you and want you to get there.
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Speaker 2: Can we go back to that night that you thought
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Speaker 2: you were going to sleep at some boring science show,
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Speaker 2: but instead, here you are, you're amped up and you're
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Speaker 2: ready to roll.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now what happens? Next day, you're like, I have an idea.
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Speaker 2: I can work on this and I want to share
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Speaker 2: this with the world. Or was it something that you
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Speaker 2: kind of just wish for for a while until it
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Speaker 2: worked for you?
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Speaker 1: Oh, I went right into the research. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: just completely geeked out on the research. The first thing
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Speaker 1: I did, which was really kind of a weird thing,
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Speaker 1: and I was actually thinking about this last night, just
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Speaker 1: on like, well, I need to bring that idea back
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Speaker 1: and maybe write a blog article about it, is I
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Speaker 1: went on, I'm a big fan of Claude AI. So
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Speaker 1: that's my go-to. And I went on Claude and I said, okay,
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Speaker 1: imagine we're doing a round table with some senior thought
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Speaker 1: leaders in the world, what would they have to say
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Speaker 1: about wishing and the science in wishing?
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Speaker 4: So, you know, and it was like kind of like iconic, okay,
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Speaker 4: if this is a leader that's big into Buddhism and
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Speaker 4: another one that's a big into making money, making money,
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Speaker 4: making money, and another one that's big.
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Speaker 1: Into you know, making sure you have a meaningful life,
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Speaker 1: you know, and then I did this whole round table
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Speaker 1: and they all went around and were like arguing with
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Speaker 1: each other. And it was so much fun. And it
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Speaker 1: also just made me start realizing there's different points of
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Speaker 1: view on this. And what are the, what's the framework
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Speaker 1: I'm going to set this whole thing up. And so
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Speaker 1: I just went in and kind of did the research.
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Speaker 1: So for example, I, that I talk about those three
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Speaker 1: P's and it's like, okay, what's the science in peaceful?
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Speaker 1: What's the science in positive? What's the science in purposeful?
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Speaker 1: And I even have a children's book that is, uh,
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Speaker 1: talks about the three P's and talks about the science
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Speaker 1: in there. And I have a little, there's a little
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Speaker 1: girl near where I am who is pre-K and it's
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Speaker 1: her favorite book. And it's talking about the polyvagal system.
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Speaker 1: Like you're teaching kids that there's a way to make
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Speaker 1: these wishes. And it gives the kind of before and
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Speaker 1: after for peaceful and for positive and purposeful. And for example,
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Speaker 1: the purposeful one is the before picture is of a,
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe eight or 10 year old boy. And
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Speaker 1: he's standing in front of a mirror and he's got
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Speaker 1: a towel around his neck and he says, I wish
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Speaker 1: to be a superhero. And then they add these sciences
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Speaker 1: of purposeful and then he changes it. So I wish
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Speaker 1: to be a superhero so I can help others. And
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Speaker 1: then the mirror all of a sudden is all these
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Speaker 1: people that he can help and who can help him.
19:30
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden now you're building a community
19:32
Speaker 1: because you want to make your wish more purposeful. People
19:36
Speaker 1: are wanting to help you and you can help people.
19:39
Speaker 1: And that's a much bigger thing than just saying, I
19:41
Speaker 1: wish to be a superhero. So the same is true
19:45
Speaker 1: with a million dollars. Like, what are you going to
19:46
Speaker 1: do with it? And is it because your kid needs,
19:49
Speaker 1: you know surgery is it because you want to build
19:52
Speaker 1: a business with it that could help the world those
19:55
Speaker 1: are going to matter.
19:57
Speaker 2: You want to change the world you want to be
19:58
Speaker 2: a change catalyst yes how I know you're doing the
20:02
Speaker 2: books I know you're speaking yes are you doing anything else.
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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm doing a lot of stuff. First of all,
20:14
Speaker 1: I have programs for companies to go in and transform
20:17
Speaker 1: their company. And I had an idea of how to
20:20
Speaker 1: do it. And of course, it has to be eight
20:22
Speaker 1: weeks because neuroplasticity takes eight weeks. I mean, there's certain criteria.
20:26
Speaker 1: I've got a kind of a tracking system and gamification
20:29
Speaker 1: and prizes and all these kinds of fun things thrown in.
20:32
Speaker 1: And a woman that I met who read my book,
20:36
Speaker 1: she's just like obsessed. Like this is the best thing
20:39
Speaker 1: she's ever read. She's just so into it. She's buying
20:42
Speaker 1: copies for all of her friends for Christmas and family
20:46
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. And she's like, you've got to
20:48
Speaker 1: bring this into my company. This company needs what you're doing.
20:52
Speaker 1: And so I'm putting it together and we're working on
20:55
Speaker 1: a proposal to take it into her company. So, and
20:59
Speaker 1: she's not in management, which I think is really fun.
21:02
Speaker 1: Like If I'm somebody listening to this and I'm running
21:05
Speaker 1: a company and you have somebody that's in your company
21:07
Speaker 1: that cares so much about wanting to make it a
21:10
Speaker 1: better place to work and they're bringing ideas like this,
21:14
Speaker 1: those are your gold and you better take care of them, right?
21:19
Speaker 1: So I'm working on that. And then I'm also working
21:21
Speaker 1: on a New Year's program that I'm way at the
21:24
Speaker 1: beginning and Where what I want to do is start
21:27
Speaker 1: on the first Monday of the new year and do
21:29
Speaker 1: the eight weeks and everybody wishing together for a peaceful,
21:33
Speaker 1: positive and purposeful 2027. And it will also include the
21:38
Speaker 1: tracking and I'm going to have a weekly science class
21:42
Speaker 1: to add the sciences to it. So there's going to
21:45
Speaker 1: be adding psychology and what I call the three selves,
21:49
Speaker 1: whether you call that it ego, superego. There's motivation science,
21:53
Speaker 1: which is the wants and needs that we were just
21:55
Speaker 1: talking about. There's brain science of the things you can
21:59
Speaker 1: do to trick your brain to find solutions to your wishes.
22:02
Speaker 1: So doing all kinds of stuff. Wow.
22:05
Speaker 2: Now, do you also do one-on-one coaching?
22:08
Speaker 1: I don't really. I am working on a class to
22:13
Speaker 1: teach others how to train people to take them through
22:19
Speaker 1: the eight-week program. And so I do have that. I
22:23
Speaker 1: have I'm I think I'd rather build something that others
22:27
Speaker 1: that are better at coaching can do and take on
22:30
Speaker 1: forward in their world, if that makes sense. And so
22:33
Speaker 1: if somebody is like a business coach or an executive coach,
22:36
Speaker 1: then I'd love to talk to them, because if you've
22:38
Speaker 1: got a company or client that you think needs the
22:41
Speaker 1: program that I'm describing, Then let's work together so that
22:46
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to come in and take your client.
22:48
Speaker 1: You know, we can we can build something. I had
22:50
Speaker 1: somebody tell me, he's like, wow, you just gave a
22:53
Speaker 1: coach a year's worth of coaching, you know, with that
22:57
Speaker 1: one program. I was like, yeah, that's what I would
22:58
Speaker 1: love to do so we can multiply it better.
23:02
Speaker 2: If we can go back to neuroplasticity, it takes eight
23:04
Speaker 2: weeks is what you said.
23:06
Speaker 4: Yes.
23:07
Speaker 2: So can you explain to us what's happening in our
23:10
Speaker 2: brain and why does it take eight weeks for that
23:12
Speaker 2: to come together?
23:14
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, first of all, some different science tells us,
23:18
Speaker 1: some say it could be four weeks, some say six.
23:21
Speaker 1: The more solid research says eight weeks. So that's why
23:24
Speaker 1: I picked eight weeks to go a little more solid.
23:27
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Andrew Huberman. I quote him
23:30
Speaker 1: in my book, if you ever watch his show. And
23:32
Speaker 1: of course, he's a neuroscientist. And the daily repetition over
23:37
Speaker 1: eight weeks is is something that there is some good
23:40
Speaker 1: research that says that that makes it more powerful. And again,
23:44
Speaker 1: it's starting to trigger certain parts of your brain. Neuroplasticity,
23:47
Speaker 1: for those who don't know, is just a way of
23:51
Speaker 1: saying our brains are plastic. They will change and evolve
23:54
Speaker 1: based on what we're focusing on. And so like when
23:57
Speaker 1: I said peaceful, positive, and purposeful, here's a big one,
24:01
Speaker 1: is a lot of us focus on what we don't want.
24:04
Speaker 1: I don't want this health problem or I don't want
24:07
Speaker 1: this political movement or I don't want this thing. And instead,
24:13
Speaker 1: that's not really, our brain is going to focus on
24:16
Speaker 1: the negative. It's not going to move us forward. So
24:19
Speaker 1: if we make it positive, so I always say wish
24:21
Speaker 1: for and not against. So wishing for a peaceful, positive
24:26
Speaker 1: and purposeful new year is going to make you look
24:29
Speaker 1: for things like, oh, I feel peaceful today. Or wow,
24:32
Speaker 1: that was something positive in my life. Or I think
24:35
Speaker 1: I found a new way to be even more purposeful.
24:38
Speaker 1: then your brain is going to be moving toward those
24:40
Speaker 1: positive places. That's the thing about the Martin Luther King
24:44
Speaker 1: speech is it was all beautiful and positive and purposeful.
24:48
Speaker 1: And he painted a picture, all men are created equal
24:51
Speaker 1: and freedom is ringing and everybody is in alignment with
24:54
Speaker 1: this vision that he set. And that's what I think
24:57
Speaker 1: we need.
24:58
Speaker 2: Once those eight weeks of repetition, it hardens and that's
25:03
Speaker 2: just the pathways that from there on you don't have
25:06
Speaker 2: to worry as much? I guess it's just part of
25:08
Speaker 2: your brain? Is that how it works?
25:09
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question. It's really interesting as I've
25:14
Speaker 1: been doing this, you know, the eight weeks helps you
25:17
Speaker 1: if you start out with a wish and then you
25:19
Speaker 1: look at it throughout the whole eight weeks, right? And
25:23
Speaker 1: the program I want to do for the New Year's
25:25
Speaker 1: is for the world as well as people can have
25:27
Speaker 1: an individual wish. What it does though, it makes you
25:30
Speaker 1: so much better at wishing that the whole process starts
25:35
Speaker 1: speeding up so that you are more aware and you
25:38
Speaker 1: know how to recognize what your body wants. I'll give
25:43
Speaker 1: you an example. This person that was on my show
25:47
Speaker 1: that says he's only into goals, he said, well, my
25:50
Speaker 1: goal is to write another book. And I kind of
25:53
Speaker 1: shifted and I said, how about I wish to write
25:55
Speaker 1: a book? It was about customer service was what he
25:58
Speaker 1: wanted to write about. I was like, I wish to
25:59
Speaker 1: write a book that would elevate customer service and make
26:02
Speaker 1: these people realize how important their jobs are, not only
26:05
Speaker 1: for themselves, but the people that they serve and how
26:08
Speaker 1: we can make it a more fun and more purposeful career.
26:14
Speaker 1: See how much more energy is in that than I
26:16
Speaker 1: want to write a book? You know, my goal is
26:19
Speaker 1: to write a book. And same with things like lose
26:21
Speaker 1: 10 pounds. You could say, my goal is to lose
26:23
Speaker 1: 10 pounds. Your body's going to go, I don't really
26:26
Speaker 1: want to do that. That doesn't sound very fun to me.
26:29
Speaker 1: But if you change and say, I wish to find
26:31
Speaker 1: foods that are healthy, that make me feel good, that
26:34
Speaker 1: I love to eat. And I wish to find activities
26:37
Speaker 1: that make my body feel good, that I want to
26:39
Speaker 1: do every day. That's a big shift. Does that make sense?
26:44
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a definite reframe right there.
26:46
Speaker 1: That's right.
26:47
Speaker 2: Now, is there a takeaway that you want our listeners
26:51
Speaker 2: to remember our conversation?
26:53
Speaker 1: If they can try to remember the peaceful, positive, and purposeful,
26:57
Speaker 1: if that's all you do, and even if you're not
26:59
Speaker 1: making a wish for something specific, just wish to be peaceful, positive,
27:03
Speaker 1: and purposeful, I think that that's going to elevate your
27:06
Speaker 1: energy and make your life a lot better in a
27:09
Speaker 1: very simple way.
27:10
Speaker 2: Now, where can people connect with you, find out more
27:13
Speaker 2: about your work, and continue this conversation?
27:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. And especially if you want to join us for
27:18
Speaker 1: the new year, then definitely reach out and we'll see
27:21
Speaker 1: what we can do together. My name is Brownell Landrum.
27:24
Speaker 1: I'm the only Brownell Landrum in the world. My brand
27:27
Speaker 1: is Cosmic Wishes. So you've heard me say Cosmic Wishes.
27:30
Speaker 1: So cosmicwishes.com is my website and my brand. And then
27:34
Speaker 1: of course you can look at my brownellelandrum.com site as well.
27:39
Speaker 1: And I'm sure you're going to put this in the
27:40
Speaker 1: notes and all that kind of good stuff. So I
27:42
Speaker 1: love to hear from people. And I also just, if
27:44
Speaker 1: anything I said, anybody says, oh, I don't agree with
27:47
Speaker 1: that or she's crazy. I also want to hear from
27:49
Speaker 1: you because I always want to make this better and stronger.
27:52
Speaker 1: So I'm always looking for suggestions and ideas.
27:56
Speaker 2: Ronell, thank you so much for joining us. And we
27:58
Speaker 2: really appreciate your time and all the value you shared.
28:02
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I enjoyed it.
28:03
Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thanks, everyone, for listening. If this episode inspired you,
28:07
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28:09
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28:12
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