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Ep. 4 : Deadline, Deadline, Deadline · Cards & Categories

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  Welcome everybody to episode four of Cards and Categories. I might Collard here from
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  Radsball and joined once again and as always by Jeremy brew Or, also from
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  Radsball. Are you doing today? But I'm doing well today? How about
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  yourself? Or is it a nice cool night there in Chicago Land? Yeah?
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  Yeah, I finally cooled off a little bit that the under something degree
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  heat broke a little bit. And still watering the tomatoes every day, but
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  like twice every day, but like it's it's been all right and now it's
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  it's a Kada season. I don't know if it's a Kada season down by
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  you, but like it's a good season when they just all pop out,
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  no matter what year it is on that like seventeen eighteen year brew thing or
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  whatever it's it's Central Alloys. Is Cornfield season? Um? That that is
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  about what it is. But I didn't tell you it was actually up in
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  your your neighborhood this this weekend, UM at the Edge Hearing concert because I
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  had to get my fan girl out. UM. So I was up there,
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  one of seventy three thousand people at Soldier Field, UM paying fifty bucks
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  for our concert t shirts. So not at all this podcast is about.
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  But I appreciate you breaking the weather for me up there. Yeah, you're
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  welcome. I'm glad that you had a good time. Um. But yeah,
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  Otherwise, I'm still trying to recover from the trade activity the trade deadline.
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  I was listening to Gray and Bedon's podcast for earlier this week, and
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  they've recorded on Monday and spent most of it just talking about how Banana sup
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  bloods that they were doing it before the deadline, and that that would have
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  been that would have been fun. I don't know about you, but I
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  I was having control remembering what time the trade deadline actually was, because it
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  seemed like, you know, deals just kept flying in even after you know,
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  the actual you know clock struck trade deadline, and I'm like, up,
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  we're done. And I swear there at least five or six deals that
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  got announced after it wasn't just two minutes after, three minutes after, it
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  was like forty five minutes later. There's still deals getting announced and getting worked
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  through, which feels like a little bit more than the last few years.
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  But it was. It was an exciting trade deadline. Personally, I had
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  a blast washing all the trades, trying to figure out what was going on,
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  trying to figure out who's actually buying and selling. I don't wants you,
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  but there's definitely a few teams that I was not sure if they were
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  in. It feels like my um, a lot of my Dynasty teams was
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  like one foot in, one foot out. Couldn't decide my identity for those.
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  Yeah, I mean which ones were you think? Yeah, specifically that
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  we're like doing a little bit of both. Well, I think the biggest
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  one to me was the Diamondbacks. I think Arizona there's nothing like trading for
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  a closure than trading your former closure. Way, he's just trading things out,
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  trading outfielders, bringing outfielders in. Of any team that doesn't need more
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  outfielders, I think it's the Diamondbacks. But it felt like they were retooling
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  or had very specific skills they were after, and as soon as they filled
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  the spot, they moved somebody else out. So definitely the Diamondbacks, and
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  I'd say to extend the Mariners, I thought they might do a little bit
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  more buying. They seemed to think they ended up mostly selling, but they
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  definitely felt like they were a little bit in that that bucket as well,
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  maybe I'll throw it one last one out the Brewers. That was just a
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  good you know, that Louis Urius deal kind of at the the last second
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  was a little bit of head scratcher for a team. But granted last year's
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  one to try to Josh Hayter in the middle of the Pennant race, so
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  I'm not too shocked on the Milwaukee Brewer front. Yeah, I mean,
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  I think Louis Sirius just just falling out of favor. He's been banged up
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  so long, and I don't know, it's just like that kind of guy
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  needs a change of scenery. But I do agree with El on the Diamondbacks.
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  It was really funny seeing them. The other guy that you forgot,
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  like is rojaspent Out. They brought in Peterson, So yes, they had
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  the utility second basement that based to go in and out the Mariners. The
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  Mariners will always be at the trade deadline. I don't think you're ever going
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  to be able to tell what Jerry Depoto is trying to do because he's kind
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  of always trying to play for d chess. You can't tell what is true
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  evaluation of players is and what he's truly seeking because I think he loves that
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  wildcard surprise element. I mean, that guy was doing trades from the hospital
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  dead at one point in time, so he's dedicated to the cause and the
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  trade deadline unsure, it's like a Christmas bonanza, like it's a holiday season
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  for Jerry de Poto. Doesn't get better than that. Yeah, I don't
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  know, and I do think personally it was a seller's market. I don't
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  know if you had the same feeling. I was a little i'd say,
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  got diluted a little bit towards the end there as as the Mets decided to
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  become sellers, which I was a little surprised to see. Um. See,
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  it seems like they what we hear twenty twenty four is a transition year,
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  is the talk on the street now for the Mets, and so I
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  was a little surprised to see them selling. But it seemed like overall it
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  was a pretty solid sellers market, some pretty good prospect movement, pretty good
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  retooling by teams, and it seemed like if you had guys to move,
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  yeah, you were able to move them for the most part. So there's
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  just they're definitely maybe a two to one three to one buyer to seller reach,
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  which was very very good for a number of those teams selling. And
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  I think for you and I that's it's close to home being Cardinals fans,
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  and I know you and you and your your White Sox as well. Definitely
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  did not retool for this season by by any means of the trade deadline,
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  I know, And so yeah, I mean definitely felt like it's always market
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  tea is both my favorite teams are dealing dudes out left and right, left
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  and right, and the Cardinals I think made sense. The Cardinals, they're
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  retooling. It could have been a little bit better, but once you go
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  into the media and announced that you're finally looking for K nine pictures the way
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  everyone else is, it's not like everyone's going to be forking those dudes over
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  for you. So I mean, Moslilac, I think did the best you
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  could to try to put pieces into the pen for next year and retool the
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  Final League system a little bit. But it's clear that they've got to be
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  a little active agency and with the Socks Socks, they did a great job
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  of clearing out that pen and getting gilto and then out as well, and
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  just recouping whatever they could. Of course, they keeping the ridiculous stance that
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  they're going to try and go for it in twenty twenty four, which I'm
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  sure it will lead to just more abject failure. But the biggest just kind
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  of like no sort of moment, just kind of like screaming at the heavens,
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  was Jake Burger going out fan favorite. I don't think anybody on White
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  Socks Twitter was excited about seeing Jake Burger grow. He's been very easy to
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  cheer for with his multiple achilles injuries and became into spring training with this great
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  mustache to you and nine the entire team and bond people together. His wife
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  is a great Twitter presence, He's got this cute little kid that he touts
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  around the games, and Jake Burger's just kind of an all around great,
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  beloved dude on a team that is includes Mike Clevenger and Tim Anderson, who
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  hasn't been the friendliest dude of late, and so Jake Burger was one of
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  the reasons I think people went to guarantee the great field nowadays, So it's
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  really sad that he's going out to Marlin's now. Also said for me,
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  I had a little bit of a Minnie Jake Burger PC, which I realized
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  I did get some feedback from some listeners that we never explained that PC was.
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  It's personal collection m for for card collectors out there, So when you're
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  here to refer to a PC that's with his personal collection. Um. So
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  I had a little one just because Jake Burger was a cheap one. Obviously,
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  it was easy to put together, and he looked great on cards,
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  just with his stature and if you got some of him with his mustache.
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  So it'll be sad to see. Yeah, I think it's speaking of PCs
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  that were hurt, and I think good, good point calling about PC is
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  personal collection there, so anything that you collect just because you love it,
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  like to like to have it, like to keep it, versus something you're
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  looking to flip or cells. Definitely what the PC's all about. What hurt
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  my PC? Definitely a little bit Well to two aspects here, Jack Flaherty
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  and Paul de Young being traded have an abnormally large Paul de Young PC.
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  I'm not sure if I should admit that or not. Um, but Paul
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  de Young went to went to college in the town that you and I grew
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  up in and so you know, gave us a nice little connection there,
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  and um, definitely definitely have some fun Paul to young cards and uh Jack
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  Flaherty actually the only baseball that my son has gotten tossed to him at a
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  base baseball games from Jack Flaherty And so I've kind of collected him on and
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  off and I have a nice little pc of him. And now I can't
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  decide what to do with the darn thing. It's gonna keep going. Let's
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  let's be honest, it's gonna keep going. I'm gonna keep adding things to
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  it because at least in the card world, pictures are cheap, so um,
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  it gives us a chance to pull things. In the other other news,
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  I want to I want to hit on real quick for your white the
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  white socks Liam Hendricks, Tommy John Surgery um just announced and uh, you
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  know when we talk about uh new uh socks closers, um, and who
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  might have a chance to hold that job long term? And I'm guessing you're
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  thinking as Gregory Santos looks like he might have a chance to run with it
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  that the question was just this year and looks like definitely has some runway to
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  go, and just too bad for Liam Hendricks, everything that he has been
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  through, just trying to recover from from cancer now trying to get back healthy
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  and having Tommy John surgery and he's not a young Spring Chickens. He's getting
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  up there now. He's also building the best case ever for comeback Player of
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  the Year. So that's a star for him there, but the unfortunate news
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  to see him getting hurt. Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be. I
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  don't know, Like I don't know if Lillam does come back. I really
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  hope he does because he another fan favorite. And it's been yeah, just
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  a really bummer year for Socks between that and now Burger being gone, and
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  yeah, it's that was probably going to be like one of the one bright
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  flats down the stretch for the Socks is being Liam maybe coming back. But
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  the writing was always kind of on the wall with the forearm injury he had
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  last year and the way that the Socks were talking about the elbow injury this
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  time around. It didn't seem like prognosis was great and William has been at
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  the game and like we'll hang out fullpen and say hi to people and stuff.
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  So I don't know, I could seem still sticking around and being a
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  part of the organization for a long time, because that is I think part
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  of why the Socks has gotten twisted into the knots that they have is it
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  is an organization that runs much more like a group of friends and like everyone's
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  there for like they like to be co workers and be together and work together.
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  And so if the Socks want to keep being around, I could see
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  that happening. Yeah, I could as well. It sounds like a lot's
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  changed since the ozzygee and era there in Chicago. So one more thing we
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  have to talk about. And I know I sent you message about this earlier.
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  Um for all the fallout out all the fallout of of the trade deadline.
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  Um. And for those who don't know, uh, you know,
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  Mike and I were in two fantasy leagues together. Um, it's it's only
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  two right now, it is only two. So it's it's it's varied over
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  the years. We've been in NL al only, dynasty re draft leagues,
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  all kinds of things together. Um. Probably all sports too. Um.
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  Yeah, but I've I think probably tended back to baseball as the skill set
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  here. Um. But earlier this season one of our leagues. Uh,
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  we made a trade, and uh it's really the the main guys in the
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  trade. Not not important. That's not what's important here in this beef I
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  have with you. This is a league where we get six keepers and for
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  whatever reason, um relievers in c a rodo five by five closers go for
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  a premium in our draft. We're talking a large portion of your budget,
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  and we have an auction draft. And I was so thrilled to pull over
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  Andrea's Unos from the Mariners in the deal as our secondary piece because I've got
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  had an eye on next year cheap closure keeper, because he's gonna get the
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  job at some point. So trade happens this this the last few days here,
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  and you know he's guaranteed be the closer after uh you know, see
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  world goes over to the Diamondbacks. I pull up my my fantasy team,
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  pull up the app and our closure our keeper rules allow you to keep the
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  guy at the salary that he was bought at auction, and then you know
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  escalates over time, different different fun rules that might be a topic for another
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  day, the crazy rules that we have in that league at times, but
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  I yes, I was so disappointed and frustrated to find out somebody spent seventeen
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  dollars at our auction draft on Andrea's munos when he was not the cloth or
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  and he was hurt. Um Or was shortly thereafter. But yeah, yeah,
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  so I'm sitting here in my head, I had just been given a
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  free closure for next year. I was so psyched because it was part of
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  my strategy in that trade that somebody myself did not check the keeper values and
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  I was so I was very disappointed when I realized I was fleeced um not
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  by your actual ow doing by my lack of paying attention to the actual deal.
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  But salary was updated before the because that is the CPS like you have
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  to You can't write like a script to like have it update the salary automatically.
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  So I have to go through as commissioned manually at it the salaries,
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  and so sometimes I do fall behind because it's just not worth it to go
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  in after every bab round and update everybody's salaries because usually it's guys who are
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  you know on the fringes. But because we have escalators based on how much
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  waiver wire dollars you put towards it, you can sometimes get out of whack.
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  But yeah, I am sorry. That was a bitting more that happened
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  at the auction table in the spring, And honestly, like I had,
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  I liked out of the gate for the year because even if he wasn't going
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  to get the full closer job with seaball, his rates and his projections were
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  so strong that like he was usable as almost like an Andrew Miller, where
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  even if he only picked up you know, five saves the floor for a
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  guy like that can be ten bucks of value because he can rack up one
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  hundred and twenty k's. So yeah, I think he's a great player going
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  forward. But sorry, he's not very peopful. That's that's okay. I
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  lost Jordan remind out of the Blue Jays like this right at the same time,
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  so he's serving a purpose. I will just have to go back to
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  the drawing board for next year, which is okay. It's not like we
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  actually put the salaries right on the trading screen when everything's proposed and accepted,
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  So um, I should I should have seen that one coming, but I'm
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  I clearly was distracted, not my best moment, so it's all right,
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  clear all your fault in that league. I recently put out a commissioner note
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  ask telling people that they needed resources, they can reach out to me if
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  they needed salaries and stuff. But so now it's the fault, it's not
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  one. So I suggest doing that for your leagues. Get that, get
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  all the housekeeping set because one of my leagues has a deadline tomorrow, which
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  is a little weird, but I think most fancy trade deadlines are at the
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  end of this month. So we can maybe do a segment on that later
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  in a couple of weeks. But for today, we got some great stuff
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  lined up analyzing more of just the trade deadline. The trade deadline came through
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  like the freight train, and we're the first gras Ball podcast to get to
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  cover it because and be down run on Mondays, so and and so we're
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  gonna have the B team first, exactly. So we got during our card
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  session, we're gonna talk about some of the prospects that were dealt and maybe
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  some of the values that might change to their rookie cards from those deals,
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  as well as going into a little bit of details on how we determine which
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  prospects we want to stash and in research for putting away those cards and hoping
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  that they they break big and you can buy them cheap, and some for
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  when they're more expensive. And then in the fantasy section, we're gonna because
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  the volume of trades is insane, just absolutely insane. Um, we're gonna
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  just focus on trying to narrow down some of the bigger trades. And thankfully
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  Mike Patriolo from Lab already went through and ranked his top twenty three favorite trades,
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  so we're gonna go through his first thirteen because I think that's about where
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  the great fantasy relevance cut off before we get into maybe gritty relievers that aren't
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  right, everybody, welcome back to the second portion of cards and categories.
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  Here we're going to talk about cards portion and focus on prospecting. So prospecting
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  is a big business for baseball card collectors because the time to buy in on
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  players and try to value down the road is when they're cheap and down in
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  rookie ball a ball, and just like fantasy Purposes and dynasty, you're always
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  looking for the hot and thing and trying to find inefficiencies in the market where
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  you can find cheaper players and hopefully hit it big later. So I know
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  it's a game that we both play, and the biggest place to play for
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  that, I think is in Bowmen sets, when you're pulling those Bowmen first
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  getting those prospects. So between Bowmen that comes out the spring, just the
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  base Bowmen set that will have all your prospects with it, and then Bowman
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  Draft is released later in the year as well as Bowman Chrome those will have
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  different prospects sets as well. So that's one area to do it, and
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  the other is just for all rookie cards, just your normal rookie cards.
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  I think this happens especially when you run into pictures and kind of back end
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  top one hundred prospects that get called up maybe a little early or tops runs
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  they are rookie cards a little early, and you can collect those rookie cards,
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  but those are really the two main spots where you're trying to actually gather
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  these prospect cards. Um and so Jeremy well, anything that you're looking for
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  specifically out of maybe those different sets. In terms of Bowman Bowman came Bowman
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  Tract tops Tops update series that you're really honing in on specifically for prospecting,
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  or have had maybe some of your better luck. Yeah, I mean I
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  think for me, the where I haven't seem to have the best luck and
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  when where I end up spending most of my time if I'm really looking to
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  prospect and maybe flips something laters in the it's Bowman sets. Mainly looking for
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  Bowman first, Bowmen first, Bowman first, Chrome Woman first autos. That's
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  really where I'm finding most value for me, the top sets. There is
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  some fun there, but that's more going to be personal collection type type things,
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  PC things, um you know or uh you know. For for me,
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  I kind of guy likes to maybe grab one rookie of all the big
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  guys just to have, just to have it and maybe someday say, you
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  know, I have the Bob Gibson rookie or the Mike Trout rookie because I
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  was, you know, had it early. So I always like to maybe
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  you know, set aside one of anybody that seems like they have the potential.
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  Um so, of course I missed Atani and all those other guys,
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  but um so I'm I'm really looking at Bowman is the core if I if
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  I'm going to look to to grab guys to stash him and hold him and
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  then maybe uh down the road flip them for a little bit of profit and
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  uh collections anything like mine, flipping for profit, reinvest in something like Paul
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  the Young. Um, so the the profit heian stops right right there with
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  the you know, the Paul the Young big patches or something like that.
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  The market of three people who want those is not the largest. So yeah,
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  Bowman for me is the spot to start. How about how about you?
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  Yeah, I mean I think Bowman is a great place to start.
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  I mean, if you can get your hands on Bowman d Bowman Draft is
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  a hobby only product, so you have to buy that either through a dealer
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  like a collectible shop that you would locally have, or even through tops dot
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  com or somewhere else. You can't go and find that at Target, Walmart
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  and these retail places the way you can Bowman and just regular Tops. So
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  draft is a little harder to get a hold of. I've never ripped open
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  in any draft that Usually when I am collecting Draft, I'm finding it in
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  dollar boxes at card shows. And the way that I even sort through those.
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  To try to help myself is when I'm sorting through those and seeing them
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  in the dog watches. Obviously you try to remember some of like the bigger
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  prospects before they're kind of coming through the ranks, and like I'm thinking a
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  lot about like Evan Carter or earlier in the year, I was trying to
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  buy as much as to kind of arrow out of dollar boxes as I could.
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  So those guys are both top ten five prospects now, and so you're
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  trying to like find those guys that maybe you're at the back of the top
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  one hundred or not even at the top one hundred lists right now that you
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  just have identified from your eye or listening to podcasts or however you actually do
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  prospects through Dincy purposes or would kind of put yourself in the mind of the
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  GM. I would do the same thing with baseball cards. But the other
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  thing that I've had success with is when I'm going through those dor boxes is
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  not only having those guys in mind that I'm specifically looking for, but also
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  flipping over the back of the card and seeing what round the guy's taking in.
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  So all of the Bowman cards have the draft information you know, kind
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  of classic heightweight, biography, stats, whatever. But I look at the
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  draft round, so you'll see lots of dudes who are international signings, you
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  know, the guys coming out of the Dominican and any other kind of places
• 25:11
  that go through the national signing process, and so those can be hard to
• 25:15
  pass through a little bit. But especially nowadays, teams are so smart,
• 25:19
  and I think lots of teams are really good at the draft now compared to
• 25:23
  where they used to be. And so if I'm I don't have every draft
• 25:30
  memorized in my head, ms who was like a first second rounder, But
• 25:33
  if I'm going through dollar boxes and seeing guys who were first rounders and second
• 25:37
  rounders, I take the lots of gambles on those. You know, especially
• 25:41
  when you're in a situation you get like ten four dollars or twenty five four
• 25:47
  dollars and can really get quantities going that like those guys, I don't mind
• 25:52
  throwing pennings at them and hoping that it could pop into a couple of dollars
• 25:56
  down the growth. And then I think two pieces add to that from from
• 26:00
  my perspective, and I write with you that strategy. As I was thinking
• 26:03
  the same thing that the draft round hitters over pictures. Um, are the
• 26:08
  hobby severely under values pictures. Never understand why. But if your favorite players
• 26:14
  a picture, uh, you're you're gonna find some some good deals on them.
• 26:18
  Um. And the other thing is is market, right, um,
• 26:21
  market that they're in. And then it's kind of twofold. You know,
• 26:23
  are you in a bigger market? Are you in the New York? Are
• 26:26
  you wanna la or you gonna market that collects really well? You know?
• 26:30
  For for us, Saint Louis is always over collecting everything. Um. I
• 26:34
  think Chicago teams clubs being being one of them, seems to collect really well.
• 26:40
  Um. I think a few the Texas teams, uh actually on a
• 26:44
  few of the Texas teams. All the Texas teams see seem to do really
• 26:48
  well. So I think you're kind of looking for those bigger market clubs that
• 26:51
  have really big fan bases. Just it's a applying demand game that'll that'll play.
• 26:56
  So I think all those kind of pieces coming together. But I also
• 26:57
  think it's for as guys that are still in the original club I think also
• 27:03
  has an impact on their value, and which I know is we talk about
• 27:07
  propects that were dealt today, all of them, you know, their value
• 27:11
  does take a little bit of hit overall that trade market because there are there's
• 27:15
  a cohorted trader, you know, of collectors that once players in the jersey
• 27:19
  of their team, and there's a cohort that that really wants to have their
• 27:27
  you know, once they've left, they don't want to maintain them anymore.
• 27:32
  So there's kind of like a when somebody's traded, there's a flood of the
• 27:33
  marketplace of guys like I don't want to collect this guy anymore, and there's
• 27:37
  others that they're like, well, I don't really want them because he's not
• 27:40
  in the jersey of my team yet. So there's kind of an inefficiency in
• 27:42
  the marketplace that sometimes takes place there. But then that when that guy hits
• 27:47
  inevitably. Let's use like Randy Rose Arena for example. You know, we
• 27:52
  all remember the playoff run he had a little bit about two years ago now
• 27:55
  and he just his brocket. His value shot through the roof. But the
• 27:59
  INEFFICI should see that, you know, you could buy him so cheap because
• 28:03
  nobody really wanted him in the Cardinals Jersey wanted him in the Raised Jersey.
• 28:07
  But once he took off, I was like, wait a second, We'll
• 28:11
  take him with whatever he's got. So I think that there's a piece piece
• 28:15
  there. So I'm right there with you. I think that digging through some
• 28:18
  of those is really a good place to start. Yeah, and then from
• 28:22
  there, I mean, I like to tuck those players away and kind of
• 28:26
  I've got a box of rookies and prospects so that I know, like I
• 28:30
  can go through and find first and rookie cards whenever I need to. Like,
• 28:36
  obviously, I think the best time to sell them is when these players
• 28:40
  come up. So I mean this year, I was holding some Mason Miller
• 28:45
  cards, and the first start I think he came up, I made sure
• 28:48
  to get those things listed on e Bay and sold as soon as I could.
• 28:52
  So that's a great example of why you do that, because Mason Miller's
• 28:55
  market did not go anywhere until that debut. So yeah, hold on too.
• 29:00
  If you end up with you know, cards or prospects, just hold
• 29:03
  onto them. Um. You know, there's there's a bound to be some
• 29:08
  value somewhere as at some point there, you know, I think for me,
• 29:11
  I end up usually over the winner. When you know the baseball card
• 29:15
  market kind of takes a dip. Everybody's looking at football and basketball, they're
• 29:21
  kind of paying attention to other things going on. The baseball card market does
• 29:22
  take kind of a dipping. Values. I usually try to pick out,
• 29:26
  you know, two or three or four guys that I think are gonna debut
• 29:30
  early the next year, and pick up a handful of of their cards and
• 29:36
  the second those guys get called up, because usually when they get called up,
• 29:40
  they're hot, right, they're they're playing well, if the rose colored
• 29:42
  glasses, everything's gonna go well. Usually I'm selling them the day they get
• 29:48
  called up, or to your point, the first start or something like that,
• 29:51
  because that most likely at least prospecting um, I would say lower dollar
• 29:56
  value cars autos might be a little bit different or really rare parallels. Those
• 30:02
  have a chance to hold their value a little longer. But if you're talking
• 30:03
  you know your base, your your chromes, maybe you know some of the
• 30:07
  refractor ors, things like that, their values to really exceed where they're at
• 30:12
  when they're called up, they have to really really hit um. You know,
• 30:18
  even you know Bobby Wit Let's let's use that as an example. When
• 30:22
  he was called up his tops chromes cards were going for a roughly that's a
• 30:26
  twenty dollars a piece. Oh and yeah, you can buy him for like
• 30:30
  eight dollars. Now, the guy's not any any worse. You know,
• 30:33
  you can argue he might be a first rounder in fantasy purposes. Like he's
• 30:37
  still a really good player. But like the threshold that says everybody wants to
• 30:41
  have the next big thing, there's such a demand that comes through at that
• 30:45
  time in the marketplace, and so I tend to look for that. And
• 30:48
  then the other thing that I do is, you know, kind of combine
• 30:52
  my PC with that investment to a degree, and so I target cards from
• 30:57
  from my team, guys that I walk a lot, so that from this,
• 31:00
  I'm not too disappointed. I got extra cards to the guy because you
• 31:04
  know, it was fun to it's collective, you know, players from my
• 31:07
  own team, um, and I generally paid more attention to them things like
• 31:10
  that, And I think for me that the best uh success I have that
• 31:15
  was, you know, I got a chance to meet Nolan Gorman and the
• 31:18
  Cardinals when he was eighteen. Um, you know, seemed like a really
• 31:22
  nice guy, had a really great interaction with him, and so I'm like,
• 31:25
  I'm gonna start collecting this guy. To your point, first rounder's got
• 31:29
  the power, good market. I'm like, I'm going to pick these up.
• 31:33
  And I generally focused on Bowmen paper, which a lot of people are
• 31:37
  probably giving a side eye for for doing, but you know, the cheapest
• 31:40
  of the cheap, and then I'll pick up the chromes and refractors. But
• 31:44
  you know, if I could find the paper for fifty cents or a dollar,
• 31:47
  I was buying them all over the place, doing the same, you
• 31:48
  know, chromes for five dollars, things like that, And I didn't realize
• 31:52
  how much I had, but at one point I had about one hundred and
• 31:55
  fifty first papers of Nolan Gorman, probably about your forty of the chromes,
• 32:00
  and you know, half a dozen or so of the refractors. When he
• 32:04
  called up, got called up the bases, we're going for five dollars a
• 32:07
  piece, the you know, the the chromes were going for fifteen, refractors
• 32:12
  for almost thirty. I ended up selling the vast majority of it, and
• 32:15
  then you know, he went on hard times a few months later, bought
• 32:19
  back at all that I actually wanted to hold on to, and so,
• 32:22
  uh, that was very profitable for me. But I don't know if I
• 32:27
  suggest going one hundred and fifty Bowman first of just a random guy if you
• 32:32
  don't want to still have him later, Um, it's you know, if
• 32:37
  you don't have some reason that it will that you're still excited to having your
• 32:39
  collection, might not be the best diversification strategy that that I went through.
• 32:44
  So I might call that one a little bit more luck than a strategy at
• 32:46
  the end of the day. But how about you, when any any big
• 32:50
  successes that that you've had, uh No, I mean usually they're just smaller
• 32:55
  here and there, like I usually sortainly through. And it's also like it's
• 33:00
  been a little while since I had been in the card collecting game. I've
• 33:05
  got back in in twenty twenty during COVID, and I know you were in
• 33:07
  a little bit before that. So I'm still waiting on some of those things
• 33:12
  to kind of come to tuition in terms of some of those prospects to come
• 33:16
  through the cycle of making it all the way up and being able to profit
• 33:22
  from those. But usually it is smaller here and there, like especially I
• 33:25
  mean ther Tanis were obviously very big, but I usually just try to ride
• 33:30
  the waves in terms of you know, maybe if I don't hit that first
• 33:34
  one where the debut happens, trying to find other momntous like times within that
• 33:42
  players career that might be able to yield some value. So I've had some
• 33:46
  success over the past a couple of years moving some things around. Then all
• 33:50
  Star break, especially when somebody makes an All Star Game, I think there
• 33:53
  are people out there who denote that, and especially there, I think there's
• 33:59
  lots of older collectors who have pecs of like every All Star or every All
• 34:05
  Star from their team and stuff like that, and so they like to pick
• 34:08
  up stuff. But that otherwise, like the off season period is a little
• 34:15
  slower. But if somebody has had a big year and you know, makes
• 34:20
  this new kind of like all MLB team that they have, you know,
• 34:23
  that denotes some of the best players. When some sort of sluggers, when
• 34:27
  some hardware you know, puts up a huge seven eight, nine more season,
• 34:31
  kind of quietly, the guy who I especially think about that I've been
• 34:36
  doing this with has been under sminis like I've been slowly kind of building things
• 34:39
  together and as he kind of like ebbs and flows, I'll slow off pieces
• 34:43
  here and there, and the other time is before the season actually, like
• 34:49
  spring training, when people are getting back into cards, the baseball market beats
• 34:52
  up a little bit. And I think along with kind of fantasy drafts and
• 34:58
  dynasty drafts, as you know, people kind of perfectate through those rounds and
• 35:04
  kind of come to the top of your drafts, that's usually a pretty good
• 35:07
  indicator that their card market is in the same boat. So when I see
• 35:13
  things like that, I'm trying to think if anybody really stands out. I
• 35:17
  mean, Randy Rose and Rain is a big one because he just just such
• 35:22
  a nothing prospect to the Cardinals for a long time. Ottoly Spashala there's a
• 35:27
  part of that too. So like guys like that who can kind of really
• 35:32
  bloom have a great opportunity for you to be able to like go up and
• 35:37
  down with their career. Yeah, dig through what you got and there's a
• 35:42
  good chance you're gonna find something that's that's popped in value at that point.
• 35:45
  Yeah. So I think with that, we wanted to go through and cover
• 35:50
  a few of the guys that were traded at the deadline and kind of what
• 35:52
  their prospects status could be and kind of where their market could go. So
• 35:59
  I think I will just kind of do in generalities. Uh, Brew,
• 36:02
  did you have a guy that really like you stood out one way or another
• 36:07
  either there you see a huge boosting value or a huge dropping value that you
• 36:13
  want to denote from the trade deadline. Yeah, I mean there's a lot
• 36:16
  of we can go through, and but I'm just gonna start with maybe what
• 36:21
  I think might be the most obvious one. Um, and maybe maybe it
• 36:24
  isn't obvious, but maybe maybe it's just me. But uh, the little
• 36:28
  Acunah Louis Angels Kunau is you know, Ronald's little brother, uh, you
• 36:34
  know, twenty one year old coming over from uh from the Rangers, the
• 36:37
  Mets, in the in the in the Max Church or trade. Um.
• 36:40
  And you know he's actually been a pretty good hitter and in the minors above
• 36:45
  average power. Uh. You know, he's he's been hitting well for uh
• 36:51
  generally for for this year. Um. And really it's two fold for me
• 36:57
  on this is you know, he's he seems to be a decent player.
• 37:02
  Um. I don't know what his dealing is, but he seems like he's
• 37:07
  got some pretty good tools and and a good chance to be a solid major
• 37:12
  leaguer. Uh, but he has name value in a big market. I
• 37:15
  think is is the piece here, Um is that you know you're going to
• 37:20
  be in New York. There's a lot of collectors in New York that are
• 37:23
  looking for the next big thing, and UM have him being Ronald Cooney's a
• 37:31
  little brother. Uh does bring you know with it, probably pressure, but
• 37:36
  also just awareness that that he's there. And so I think that he's one
• 37:40
  of those guys that, um, you know, he's he's gonna have a
• 37:45
  chance and he's gonna, you know, get to the major leagues. He's
• 37:47
  in Double A now as a twenty one year old, and so I think
• 37:50
  he has a really really good chance to be in the majors. Maybe late
• 37:55
  next year. Um, maybe maybe the year after, but I think there's
• 37:59
  a chance late next years. The Mets really try to figure out what they're
• 38:01
  doing in twenty four and what they have for for beyond. And he's going
• 38:06
  to have hype when he comes up, regardless of hell wealth he's playing.
• 38:09
  Um So if I look at a guy in there that you know, I
• 38:14
  said slam dunk, you know probably can hold his value. If you got
• 38:17
  a few of the cards sitting there, hold onto him. Is definitely Louis
• 38:21
  Angelo Acunia now of the New York Mets. So how about I would choose
• 38:25
  there is there a guy that sticks out to you that the value changed substantially
• 38:30
  with the trades. I mean, a Cunia would have been my number one
• 38:35
  for sure, just for all the reasons you listed, big name, big
• 38:37
  market, I think, honestly the one that probably gets the biggest bruce otherwise.
• 38:43
  But the Edgar Claro, the catcher go in front of the Angels to
• 38:46
  the socks, and I was actually already starting to pick up some of the
• 38:51
  Claro's cards, just because he is coming through the minories very quickly and has
• 38:57
  been chearing it up. He said, switch hitting that, and he I
• 39:01
  think that's right. I should probably check that before I actually like to say
• 39:05
  that. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you're right. He's
• 39:08
  you know, uh is a switch switching catcher. Maybe not the most common
• 39:14
  thing out there, but no, but like I think that, I mean,
• 39:17
  they've had Grandall, so hopefully Grandall can kind of show him the ropes
• 39:21
  here a little bit um even though he's going to be gone at the end
• 39:23
  of the season. But he's just had a solid back and been really young
• 39:29
  at the age he's only twenty years old and double A and um, he's
• 39:32
  a bat first prospect that catcher. So it might be a little suspect as
• 39:37
  he moves through and seeing like how well he can handle pictures and come up.
• 39:42
  But I think he has the chance to be a really big piece of
• 39:46
  the Socks going forward, and I think when he gets called up, there's
• 39:50
  going to be a decent amount of hype. I think there always kind of
• 39:52
  is with Socks players. Just look at Oscar Colas that happened this year and
• 39:59
  how like poorly that's gone, but like his market definitely was boosted before that.
• 40:05
  And obviously all these guys what we're talking about, it's gonna hurt that,
• 40:08
  like they're not wearing the jersey of the guy of the team that they're
• 40:12
  coming up with. But Edgar Quer I think just walks into a nice situation
• 40:15
  with the Socks and kind of gives the fans a little extra to cheer about.
• 40:22
  And yeah, I think I think you're right. Go ahead. Oh,
• 40:24
  I was gonna say, I will stay with him. The Jake Edar
• 40:30
  as well, will kind of being piggyback Quaro too, that might as will
• 40:35
  pair them. I think Jake Edter probably burned right the way Mason Miller did
• 40:40
  that when he comes up, you've got to stop past because who knows how
• 40:45
  long his arm is gonna ask or last. But m Jake Edor is an
• 40:50
  electric arm and his fangraphs page like Prospects t l DR still reads the left
• 40:57
  handed Spencer Striders. So we'll see where goes socks and take. Yeah,
• 41:01
  I think the I think I think you're right. You know, Editors,
• 41:06
  he's got high ceilings and so you know he might come up and just get
• 41:08
  go crazy for a few starts and that's all it takes. But uh,
• 41:13
  I do I do have to coal throw cold water on one guy? Uh
• 41:16
  that that got traded. Um. And I think that this is important to
• 41:20
  talk about the difference between fantasy values and card values. UM. And So
• 41:23
  a guy that I think there's gonna be some some difference here is Kyle Menzardo
• 41:29
  coming over from uh, you know, the Tampa Bay. Um. I
• 41:32
  think he's a guy that a lot of people are going to look at him.
• 41:37
  You know, the the guardians pulled him over and he's he's a good
• 41:44
  hitter. He is a just generally good hitter um. Unfortunately, the comp
• 41:47
  I have, the guy he reminds me of is Jake Bowers. Also another
• 41:52
  guy that played for both those h same teams. I have to look back
• 41:55
  to see the transaction history. There might be a little bit too close of
• 41:58
  a comp. But a guy that just doesn't have any one tool that just
• 42:04
  blows you away, and you know, also plays a position that requires a
• 42:08
  lot more as far as a being a hitter, and so I think Menzaro
• 42:13
  is one of those that, you know act actually from my fantasy perspective,
• 42:16
  is kind of a nice guy to probably have around, you know, maybe
• 42:20
  you know teens homers, maybe squeaks out five to ten steels, hits to
• 42:24
  ninety, Like he's kind of a piece that's it's nice to have on your
• 42:29
  team and definitely plugs holes and things like that, but not going to be
• 42:31
  your starter. Might be a corner and field or type type of guy.
• 42:35
  But I don't think he ever is the guy that's going to light something on
• 42:38
  fire. And so he's he's not gonna have like this crazy month in the
• 42:43
  minors that where he hits ten home runs and hits five hundred and gets called
• 42:46
  up, and his values are through the roof and then he goes on a
• 42:50
  streak like he's just not that player. You know, I think I was.
• 42:53
  I was looking at his his scouting rankings and uh, you know on
• 42:59
  the twenty to eighties scale. You know, his hit tool actually is a
• 43:02
  his prospect report has a potential seventy, so he's good for good average,
• 43:07
  but everything else is like a forty forty five fifty at best, Like he's
• 43:12
  just going to be a good hitter, and so um, I think the
• 43:16
  trade actually kind of highlights him, and people are like, oh, you
• 43:19
  got traded. There's a lot of value. It's a guy that you should
• 43:22
  go pick up because you know clearly he's wanted and he's going to get a
• 43:24
  chance to play in Cleveland, which I think is all right, but probably
• 43:29
  better on the fantasy side of things because he's just not going to have that
• 43:34
  and say star power that you're really looking for and hoping for kind of that
• 43:37
  card market to really spike the values at some point. So throwing some cold
• 43:42
  water there on Kyle Menzardo and also have to throw out the Jake Bower's comp
• 43:45
  because I would, at least in the fantasy world, Jake Bowers everybody's waiting
• 43:50
  for that guy to get called up for seeing like five years, and then
• 43:53
  when he did, he just fizzled for probably another five years. So cold
• 43:59
  water Kyleman's art. Yeah, and Jake Bowers. I pulled up the trade
• 44:02
  for you. It was a three way trade. It is how he got
• 44:05
  up from. It went from Cleveland to h from Tampa to Cleveland. It
• 44:09
  was the Yandy Das trade. So Carlos and Tanna went from Seattle to Cleveland,
• 44:15
  Yandy Diaz, the Coole Sulzer went to Tampa and Edwin and Carnascione and
• 44:21
  Jake Bowers went to I feel wrong in calling the Jake Bowers trade at this
• 44:27
  point. I think that was the That was the last piece of the batter.
• 44:30
  It sounds like, Yeah, the other guy that I have to throw
• 44:34
  cold water on is also going to Cleveland and also coming from Florida, and
• 44:38
  that's Khalil Watson. He had a little bit of hype when his cards came
• 44:44
  out last year because he was one of the bigger prospects in twenty twenty two
• 44:49
  bowmen, just the base prospects, and so he was drafted in twenty twenty
• 44:54
  one and sixteenth overall by the Marlins. He has struggled in the minors with
• 45:00
  the Marlins, he's just not been able to fully put it together. Last
• 45:05
  year in eight ball he had a ninety sixth of RC pluts, which isn't
• 45:07
  bad for nineteen year old, but he ran into some on field issues,
• 45:12
  Like I'm trying to remember exactly what the incident was, but like there was
• 45:16
  something with a call from an umpire that he didn't like, and he like
• 45:20
  gestured at him and made it look like the gun or like the bat was
• 45:23
  a gun, and it wasn't great. So maybe the fresh start in Cleveland
• 45:30
  system will revive Kleo Watson a little bit, as he was only batting two
• 45:35
  h six in advanced a ball for the Marlins this year. But I think
• 45:42
  the same thing with Mansarto. I think that the Marlins are getting out from
• 45:49
  the Kleol Watson experience just because they don't like what they see, and especially
• 45:52
  for a system that is in dire need of bats like Leo Watson, it's
• 45:59
  pretty in ticative that they're shipping them out. Also, like just like Manzardo,
• 46:04
  there's some of the worst teams to be prospecting. People are going back
• 46:08
  to our conversation, and teams that are like hard to sell are the Marlins,
• 46:15
  the Rays, and the Guardians. Like those teams are are really just
• 46:21
  difficult players to move sometimes, and so taking these two guys in Marlin's and
• 46:27
  raised gear and putting them on the Guardians isn't going to help that at all.
• 46:30
  So I think that's the other guy I'm trying to slowly move out from
• 46:36
  underneath. If like there is something in Cleveland that might be interested in his
• 46:39
  new stuff but probably gonna end up being a dollar band guy for the rest
• 46:44
  of his life. Yeah, I think that there is in fantasy and in
• 46:51
  uh, you know, the in the real collecting world. There's like this
• 46:58
  quick little boosts that all these guys get because they get you know, they're
• 47:02
  in the limelight, they're in the news, so everybody's looking at them like
• 47:07
  they're a new shiny toy to a degree. So there's kind of a little
• 47:12
  bumping value in the fantasy world in the card collecting world when somebody's traded,
• 47:15
  So that's something that you have to pay attention to and understand why they're being
• 47:21
  traded. To your point, I think, you know, the models trying
• 47:23
  to get out from under Watson can't be underestimated and the Guardians might be just
• 47:28
  looking to take a flyer at that point. So definitely a lot of values
• 47:32
  moving around. Definitely some guys to keep an eye on for sure, out
• 47:37
  of all the all the movement we had. Yeah, exactly, So I
• 47:43
  think that reps up kind of what we wanted to go through this prospecting discussions.
• 47:47
  And so what do you have for new sets coming out? Yeah,
• 47:52
  so as far as new sets coming out today, and it's tops factory set
• 48:00
  day. Um, so you got factory sets starting to come out that has
• 48:06
  series one in series two loaded into them and chance to get foil board uh
• 48:12
  inserts is generally with the big one. But you also start to see some
• 48:15
  of the the relic chrome relics chrome variations that are go into those complete sets.
• 48:22
  So a lot of those being sold target Walmart, Uh Myers, I'm
• 48:29
  sure you know. Any of the big box stores that sell cards usually have
• 48:32
  a handful of these sets in a lot of different places have variations on those
• 48:37
  sets. I think Walmart's a key one that ends up having like every third
• 48:42
  set and one out of three sets has some type of variation, usually gold
• 48:45
  star borders on their cards. There's also like Blue Star, and I think
• 48:52
  there's Red Star as well that you're like about one nine nine out of ninety
• 48:54
  nine, so you can get some kind of a complete numbered set. A
• 49:00
  whole lot of them out there, but there there is some some interest,
• 49:02
  so those are always fun. That's where you're getting the rookie variations of some
• 49:07
  of the big players that are that are coming up from earlier in the year.
• 49:12
  So you have to think guys like ADLEI are gonna have Adlee Gunner,
• 49:16
  you know, Jordan Walker. Potentially those kind of guys are gonna have very
• 49:22
  rookie card variations that are going to be sought after because they're gonna be only
• 49:27
  insert in those factories sets. So that that one's coming um and I also
• 49:30
  know h and I might toss this one to you. But also we know
• 49:35
  Cosmic Chrome uh coming out. We were going to talk about Alan Ginter,
• 49:37
  but that one we actually talked about that little last week, but then Alan
• 49:40
  Ginter actually got pushed back too late September, So I'm not sure what happened
• 49:45
  in the tops UH factory here, but all of a sudden, we have
• 49:50
  Cosmic Chrome coming out tomorrow and Alan Ginter getting getting pushed back a few weeks,
• 49:54
  so I'm not sure if somebody was at the wrong controls. That seems
• 49:58
  like a pretty big difference in in cards with Cosmiccrome being in. It's a
• 50:01
  second year being produced by Tops, and I think actually had a pretty good
• 50:07
  welcoming last year. Actually we're pretty pretty fun looking cards. So I don't
• 50:09
  know any thoughts you have as far as those steps. Yeah, I mean
• 50:14
  Kyl's mccrome. We'll see how well it does. Last year. I know
• 50:17
  it did really well, especially if you were able to buy some and stash
• 50:22
  it. Because the prices went up. It was pretty short run, and
• 50:27
  I don't know it will be this year. I think they enjoyed that feedback
• 50:30
  and they're going to go a little more bananas and printing it, so we'll
• 50:35
  see kind of how that shacked out. Like the details of pricing in some
• 50:39
  of the inserts and stuff are still a little bit in the air, because
• 50:44
  I don't think anybody really had it slated to be coming out tomorrow, but
• 50:47
  it is online, so we'll see where that goes, and they go up
• 50:52
  a bigger update next week on that, And like you said, ELM Ginter
• 50:55
  got pushed back to September twenty seconds, so gives us a little time to
• 51:00
  formulate our discussion now. But yeah, so I think next week we'll have
• 51:04
  to come back and do a quick review from those Cosmic Chrome cards because that
• 51:07
  was that is a fun set, but is it a one time thing or
• 51:12
  is it something that's gonna gonna hold value to your point to get overprinted and
• 51:15
  it's going to scare some collectors away. So next week we'll talk more about
• 51:20
  Cosmic Chrome. Yeah, exactly, So stick around. We'll be back after
• 51:23
  the break for the fantasy portion, but we'll go through and discuss some of
• 51:29
  the bigger traits and the impacts that they might have on our teams. Stick
• 51:32
  around. Okay, welcome back to Act three of Cards and Categories. But
• 52:02
  we're going to talk about the fantasy portion of the trade deadline impacts. So
• 52:07
  what we're going to do is just to simplify this. We're not going to
• 52:10
  go over every single trade and when you share every single trade, especially some
• 52:15
  of those really fun ones like les Petinuo for cash to the socks or weird
• 52:21
  reliever trades. But I thought to simplify our overall approach here and find some
• 52:28
  Fantasy discussion. What we're going to do is thankfully at at MLB dot com,
• 52:34
  Mike pitch Rielo went through and did a great job of ranking his twenty
• 52:37
  three best deals of the trade deadline. I was looking at the list and
• 52:43
  about through the first thirteen I think have relevant fantasy implications. So I think
• 52:47
  what we can do is we're going to run through the list and talk about
• 52:52
  those top thirteen trades and what sort of fantasy impacts we might have for those
• 52:57
  players going forward. So nothing to in depth, but we can do just
• 53:01
  kind of quick hits on both sides and kind of what we're doing in terms
• 53:06
  of those players from fantasy values going up or down. So the first trade
• 53:12
  that we have, I think is the pretty obvious biggest trade that happened over
• 53:15
  the deadline. We already touched on it, and that's Max Scherzer going Rangers
• 53:20
  for for loose angel A Kunya. So Rangers and Mets get together on this
• 53:27
  trade through. What do you think for Scherzer and Akunya going forward? Yeah,
• 53:32
  I mean, so we just definitely covered a Kunya. I think he
• 53:37
  you know, if you're in the dynasty format, I think he's definitely a
• 53:39
  good piece to have, but I don't think the value for a Kunya changes
• 53:45
  much at this point in time. Maybe there's a slight downgrade if you want
• 53:51
  to call it, there for the potential lineup that he joins when he does
• 53:54
  get called up in a year, year and a half time frame, you
• 53:58
  know, not being in Texas with that, with that ballpark, with that
• 54:01
  pretty strong lineup, with those opportunities. You know, I think that would
• 54:05
  have would have been better for him, But I don't think it's a substantial,
• 54:07
  substantial change. Uh. Scherzer, on the other hand, you know,
• 54:12
  I I like the move for for Scherzer. Uh. And we're not
• 54:16
  going deepening analysis here because you know, Scherzer, Uh, he's not had
• 54:20
  his best stuff this year. He's still Max Scherzer. Don't don't don't get
• 54:24
  me wrong, He's still been a very very good pitcher. But you know,
• 54:30
  we have to recognize that, Uh, he's he's not the same player
• 54:34
  he once was. He's is thirty nine years old. You know, maybe
• 54:37
  maybe uh starting to see a slowdown. We have seen the velocity drop a
• 54:43
  little this year. But I think for me, uh, Max Jerser gets
• 54:46
  a pretty good bump here, just because He's going from a losing team to
• 54:51
  a winning team, a team that is in the race. And I think,
• 54:54
  of of all the players that we're probably gonna talk about in this segment,
• 54:59
  of the players that actually run on adrenaline mad, Max is definitely that
• 55:05
  guy. And so, um, yeah, he's not had his his best
• 55:08
  year. He's still um, you know, striking out ten guys per nine.
• 55:13
  He's really struggling this year with his walks. He's at two and a
• 55:15
  half per nine when he's you know, last few years he's been under under
• 55:17
  two. Um, you know, he's he's had a little, uh,
• 55:22
  like I said, tickdown velocity, so his his ear as up a little
• 55:25
  bit. But I think that he easily could run run off a string of
• 55:30
  you know, quality starts here, pick up a number of wins, rack
• 55:36
  up the strikeouts. Um. Even though I think that ballpark I didn't look
• 55:38
  at the ballpark factors before we talked to here. I think that you know,
• 55:40
  Texas uh there, you know historically that they're their old ballpark there,
• 55:45
  thinks out him. I think it's a little bit more moderated, uh,
• 55:47
  with with the Globe Life field there. So I, like Max, I
• 55:52
  think it's a it's a good move for his fantasy value. Um, but
• 55:55
  it's like I said, it's not a big park factor or anything like that.
• 55:58
  It's really driving the value. I really think it's the pen race and
• 56:00
  somebody like mad Max is really gonna jump in and go going with two feet
• 56:06
  and try to make a splash here for the last two months of the season.
• 56:09
  Yeah, I totally agree. I think you hate hit it right on
• 56:12
  the head with Max and the Rangers. Current park is a little worse for
• 56:19
  home run factor than City Field, but I think otherwise everything else is spot
• 56:23
  on for Akunya. I'm a little bit bummed. I thought there was a
• 56:27
  chance that the Rangers were going to bring him up this year. They were
• 56:30
  playing them a center and when the Rangers were struggling to find outfield players,
• 56:35
  it looked like a Cuna might come up and help them. And he's just
• 56:38
  going to be PEERSTI on basis when he does come up, but I think
• 56:42
  that's probably sometime late next year. So sticking with the Mets trading starting pitching,
• 56:49
  the next trade on Petreolo's list is Justin Burlander to the Astros for Drew
• 56:53
  Gilbert and Brian Clifford. Thoughts there. Brew. Yeah, I think it's
• 56:59
  a similar similar kind of view. I if I had to go between the
• 57:06
  two of those of guys that I'm more concerned with, I think I'd say
• 57:07
  I'm a little bit more concerned with Verlander. You know, he really had
• 57:13
  has dropped off a little bit of the season as far as the underlied metrics,
• 57:15
  his strikeout rates are are definitely being impacted. But you have to like
• 57:22
  him going back to Houston. You're going back to somewhere that you've had success.
• 57:25
  You know how to pitch there, you you you know the coach staff,
• 57:29
  you know the team, uh, you know. So you have to
• 57:31
  think that that actually plays really well bodes well for for his landing spot.
• 57:37
  But at the end of the day, I don't know that his value jumps
• 57:40
  up or drops down h too much. Either way. Maybe there's a little
• 57:45
  bit more opportunity for for Wins, uh for there for him, But I
• 57:50
  see this one more as kind of a neutral move for Verlander. How about
• 57:53
  how about you? Yeah, I think so as well, Like, obviously
• 57:59
  you're going to get the boy Wins, but I mean he's still kind of
• 58:01
  roundading into form with his shoulder injury from earlier in the year, and so
• 58:06
  I think he could be better for the Astros, but I think he'll be
• 58:09
  more so because he's just healthier again, and so we'll see what happens there.
• 58:15
  On the prospect side, Drew Gilbert is definitely the sexier name there.
• 58:22
  He came out of Tennessee and has been rising through the Astros minor league system.
• 58:27
  Looked like he could debut this year, but honestly, I'm more interested
• 58:31
  in Ryan Clifford. Ryan Clifford is a nineteen year old and advanced A ball
• 58:36
  right now. He's a left left corner guy that honestly, I think he's
• 58:42
  a better fantasy player than he is probably a real life player, because his
• 58:47
  tools on Grand Graphs are future forty hit, future sixty game power and only
• 58:54
  a future fifty field but a current thirty field. So he's got a one
• 58:59
  thirty eight RC plus and a advanced A ball right now, and it's just
• 59:04
  crushing. The ball is kind of two seventy six ice down there with sixteen
• 59:08
  homers, So I am really interested to see what Ryan Clifford can do and
• 59:15
  if that stat line got An advanced A ball is just a product of the
• 59:22
  environment and some of those teams in that league are playing at elevation and definitely
• 59:29
  in pretty warm spots. So I'm pretty excited about what Clifford could be.
• 59:32
  But it's probably two years away, I would think, probably not coming up
• 59:37
  to twenty twenty five. Yeah, I think I think you're right there.
• 59:42
  There's there as you know, especially in the dynasty formats or you know,
• 59:45
  keeper leagues where're keeping my minor leaguers. I think there's some guys that there
• 59:47
  are worse keeping an eye on, or or taking a gamble on from that
• 59:52
  deal for sure. Yeah. How about I'm going to toss the next one
• 59:54
  at you, being the president White Sox expert here, Lucas Giolito, Ronaldo
• 1:00:00
  Lopez going to uh to the Angels from from the White Sox for Edgar Quero,
• 1:00:07
  who we talked about a little bit earlier in Kyle Bush. What are
• 1:00:10
  your thoughts here? Yeah, I mean, I think it's a really good
• 1:00:15
  trade for the Socks ultimately. I mean, Giolito has been all right this
• 1:00:22
  year. You know, his ear ray currently stands. This does include the
• 1:00:24
  start right now with the Angels that he kind of scuffled through against the Braves,
• 1:00:31
  But I don't know if I would have been started him in Atlanta anyway.
• 1:00:36
  So he has a three eighty five year a M the season right now,
• 1:00:38
  but he's got a four or five five fifth and that's a lot closer.
• 1:00:43
  But he looked like last year as well as like his strike at rate
• 1:00:46
  has been down and then this year it's been hovering in the mid to upper
• 1:00:52
  nines. And that's what it would during last year that he had that terrible
• 1:00:55
  four point nine year ray. The Bucca Giolito that turned into the Ace was
• 1:01:01
  coming along at eleven point six and at twelve point k nine in twenty nineteen
• 1:01:07
  and twenty twenty, and so I think that's gone. He's lost a lot
• 1:01:12
  of his velocity. I don't I just don't know if he's got like many
• 1:01:16
  more tools left in his bag in terms of things that he can bust out
• 1:01:21
  and find another gear. That was really the big concern when he's coming over
• 1:01:27
  from Washington to the Socks originally, and I think he kind of made the
• 1:01:30
  changes he could that, Like I wish him well, Like he's going home
• 1:01:36
  relatively. He's from the LA area, and Anaheim isn't LA, but it's
• 1:01:40
  Ish, and so I think it's going to be a good pickup for the
• 1:01:45
  Angels compared to what they got, and it'll be good to get into a
• 1:01:50
  better part for him. Although Angel Stadium is not quite the picture park that
• 1:01:55
  it's known for, but it is better than Chicago. But I would expect
• 1:02:00
  a downgrade overall in my Gileado value, just between the kind of like change
• 1:02:06
  environment and um, just the pressure kind of being put on him. Like,
• 1:02:10
  I think the Angels have a really brittle stretch coming up, so I
• 1:02:14
  think that might eat him alive. Yeah, I think with Gilto, unfortunately,
• 1:02:19
  you know, a guy that had so much hype when when he was
• 1:02:22
  drafted and the potential coming up in the minors with with with the Nationals,
• 1:02:25
  I think we did see the best of him, you know in that uh
• 1:02:30
  twenty nineteen, you know, twenty twenty time frame, and uh, you
• 1:02:35
  know, we made a spoiled um because I think, you know, the
• 1:02:38
  best philocity of his career also had a little bit of luck on the side.
• 1:02:43
  You know, things ended up all coming kind of together for him.
• 1:02:45
  I think it's ultimately kind of set expectations higher than they probably should be,
• 1:02:50
  and so a lot of folks, I think talk about Gieledo as an ace,
• 1:02:52
  and I don't toss around ace lightly. I think there are maybe you
• 1:02:57
  know, ten five aces in the league. It's not like thirty of them.
• 1:03:00
  So I think that if if you're expecting Julie that he has been this
• 1:03:06
  year, uh and in last year, and that's the guy that you're trading
• 1:03:10
  for, you know, a mid rotation starter who's going to give you some
• 1:03:15
  Indians, then I think you're happy. But anything more than that, I
• 1:03:19
  agree with you, is not going to be too exciting. Yeah, alright,
• 1:03:23
  what about the let's let's talk about the other part of this trade from
• 1:03:28
  a fantasy value perspective is what it ultimately means for ensuring and it's not just
• 1:03:35
  this trade. I think we also have other trades uh that kind of ensured
• 1:03:38
  this for the White Sox, but ensuring the closure of the future. And
• 1:03:40
  we kind of talked about that, um, you know, in the opening.
• 1:03:45
  But what's your what's your outlook for Gregory Santos? I like Santos as
• 1:03:50
  a closer going forward that I've been kind of covering him in my wife Beliar
• 1:03:54
  piece the past few weeks just to mention that he's stailable and would open up
• 1:04:00
  for him. That Santos Is he's got the stuff like when you watch it,
• 1:04:05
  he's just got the electric fastball. He has found his command this year
• 1:04:11
  that you know he's got it only an eight nine nine, but it's a
• 1:04:15
  one nine three walk uper nine, So he's been able to throw it into
• 1:04:19
  the zone more than he has traditionally, and he's controlling runners that way.
• 1:04:25
  So I think he looks great whenever he's in there. I love that he
• 1:04:28
  wears, um, where's these Jordans cleats? Like he retro fitted some Jordan's
• 1:04:34
  with cleats on the bottom and if it's really cool. But I think he's
• 1:04:39
  a good solid closer that like the just the overall presence on the mound is
• 1:04:45
  great and he's not going to be the flashiest in terms of strikeout potential,
• 1:04:50
  but I think going forward he's got a pretty good lock on the job.
• 1:04:56
  Yeah, I tend to degree. Hopefully, hopefully you guys were paying attention
• 1:05:00
  and picked him up, because he should be a good one the rest of
• 1:05:02
  the way for when the White Sox are are are in the games. Yeah,
• 1:05:09
  it does help playing against the Taggers and the Royals and the Guardians and
• 1:05:15
  um, it's an easier spedal, so they'll squeak out some months. I
• 1:05:17
  think, yeah, yeah. Back to Petrello's list, we got fourth on
• 1:05:23
  the list. Blue Jays acquired Jordan Hicks from the Cardinals, from minor leaguers
• 1:05:27
  Adam Klaffenstein and some pro bercy or Robertsy. I think we can totally ignore
• 1:05:32
  the Cardinals return. But um, what do you think in terms of the
• 1:05:36
  Blue Jays with joining Robano going down, joining Hicks comeing in, and with
• 1:05:40
  this also does to the Cardinals full punt. Yeah, so I think you're
• 1:05:44
  here, minor leaguers here, and ignore our poor pronunciations of any minor leaguers
• 1:05:49
  just getting out of the way for future as I looked down the list,
• 1:05:53
  But um, yeah, Jordan Hicks here probably at the peak of his game
• 1:05:58
  right now. That said, he is set up man. As soon as
• 1:06:00
  Jordan Romano comes back, he's eligibles returns from the sabled list on August thirteenth
• 1:06:08
  year, so just about ten days away. And you know, it looks
• 1:06:11
  like he you know, he just started a flat ground throwing today, so
• 1:06:15
  there there is a good likelihood he is back win first eligible. So he
• 1:06:18
  got about a week and a half year of of Jordan Hicks saves potential,
• 1:06:23
  but after that, you know, he is relegated. He is not taking
• 1:06:26
  that role from Jordan Romano. So definitely a downgrade for for Hicks. Um
• 1:06:30
  the rest of the season. Um. Now on the flip side of for
• 1:06:34
  the for the Cardinals, uh, we have Giovanni Guayaegos is most likely the
• 1:06:40
  closer for now. Uh Jojo Romero's kind of stuck around that area as well.
• 1:06:45
  I'm not I'm not investing there. I'm not thinking that he ends up
• 1:06:48
  being the long term solution. But ultimately Gayegos is just the bridge to Ryan
• 1:06:54
  Helsley when when he gets back. Um, you know, not not certain
• 1:07:00
  the time frame on Helsley, but you know he should be back before too
• 1:07:04
  long. I think he's actually starting to slowly ramp activity up if if I
• 1:07:10
  recall correctly, So I think you know, at the end of the day,
• 1:07:15
  Um, you know, the probably the biggest recipient of value ends up
• 1:07:18
  being Helsley, just because you know, when he makes it back, he
• 1:07:21
  is that Cardinals full time closed room in my opinion, so he's going to
• 1:07:26
  get the biggest bang for your buck. There is just a question of how
• 1:07:30
  much of the Cardinals rush him back versus make sure that he's ready, because
• 1:07:34
  you know, at the end of the day, they are out of the
• 1:07:36
  race, and you know they're they're not gonna want to sacrifice any any risk
• 1:07:41
  to one of their most electric arms for the rest of the season. Yeah,
• 1:07:45
  and it's funny that this time last week we weren't even like we put
• 1:07:49
  Picks to the side because they just announced their training to the Cardinals were trying
• 1:07:54
  to engage Hicks and a long term deal, and we didn't think that he
• 1:07:57
  would be moving. But I think what we both said was, let's please,
• 1:08:01
  don't please don't sign him into a long term deal. I don't think
• 1:08:03
  that's a great move. So I'm not sure what he was asking for,
• 1:08:06
  but it seems that that works worked as we would have expected if we were
• 1:08:13
  running the club. Yeah. The other thing with Helsley, though, is
• 1:08:16
  I'm a little bit worried that it's going a little bit of William Hendrix's route,
• 1:08:21
  that this is the second or third time Helsley is hit the I l
• 1:08:27
  with a bocky elbow now and so it grows very hard and he's had a
• 1:08:31
  Tommy John before, I'm pretty sure, and it I'm worried, so I
• 1:08:36
  would be careful that if you're able to handcuff with Gaya Yos, that's huge,
• 1:08:42
  um, because who knows, maybe Helsley doesn't even ever come back.
• 1:08:45
  It's a lawsuit for the Cardinals. Yeah, I have since some of the
• 1:08:48
  beat writers in Saint Louis making those comments that it's just generally the cardinal's breast
• 1:08:54
  is not fully confident what they'll have with helsleyn and he will be back and
• 1:09:00
  can he stay healthy long term? So I think it's a very fair fair
• 1:09:03
  concern. You know, he is the guy when he's healthy, but as
• 1:09:08
  we all know, health in this game is not guaranteed. And sometimes you
• 1:09:13
  you rely on a guy a little bit too much and you just wait for
• 1:09:15
  him to come back the whole time, when you're better off just looking the
• 1:09:17
  other way and investing elsewhere. Yeah, definitely. So getting back to the
• 1:09:24
  overall list of the fifth one that we have is Aaron Sivali to the rays
• 1:09:30
  for Kwanzarto where to call it covered Kalmanzarto a little bit in the last section
• 1:09:34
  and said that we didn't like him. So what do you think about Aaron
• 1:09:38
  Sivali? Uh yeah, yeah. I look at the two names here,
• 1:09:43
  and you know, at the end of the day, neither one really excites
• 1:09:46
  me. Savali has really just never been the guy that brings that the strikeouts
• 1:09:50
  you need, the consistency you need, even if it wasn't a high strikeout
• 1:09:56
  guy, you know, keeping your your ratios in track. He's just not
• 1:10:00
  that. He is more of your better uh for the typical better uh real
• 1:10:03
  world player than fantasy player. He's going to give some Indians he's he's kind
• 1:10:08
  of is a I say, a little bit of bulldog on the mound,
• 1:10:10
  not from a stats perspective, but just kind of goes out there and does
• 1:10:14
  what he has to do, gets we contact groundballs, things like that.
• 1:10:15
  I really do think the bigger impact of this deal is, uh, you
• 1:10:21
  know, the the Ray's optioning Tash Bradley, uh to to triple A.
• 1:10:28
  Now, Bradley has been pretty pretty rough as of late. Uh you know,
• 1:10:32
  he probably the last month or so, he's really not done a lot.
• 1:10:36
  Haven't look at this the stats, but he you know, he's given
• 1:10:40
  up five earned his last start. Uh you know, he only has one
• 1:10:45
  start in his last six starts where he was given up Actually two starts less
• 1:10:49
  than four runs, so he's been pretty rough as of late, and so
• 1:10:55
  that that's the guy that I think takes the biggest hit here because he had
• 1:10:59
  even though he's been rough, he has quite a bit of upside for the
• 1:11:03
  raise. So at the end of the day that I had a whole lot
• 1:11:06
  happening from from this trade as far as fantasy values, like tes Bradley takes
• 1:11:11
  a little bit a hit for for the rest of the year because it looks
• 1:11:14
  like the Rays since they're they're they're competing, they're not messing around. If
• 1:11:17
  you're if you're struggling, you're gonna gonna push the side. Yeah, I
• 1:11:23
  mean, I think Sivali maybe takes a little bit of a hit and value
• 1:11:28
  for me, just mostly because of the movement in the division going from that
• 1:11:31
  week Al Central and going to the Al East. That I really liked Sivali
• 1:11:36
  as a really cheap late round option and he's paid off this year with some
• 1:11:42
  great ratio work in terms of a two thirty four RRA and a one or
• 1:11:47
  four whip um. The case have been weak, just say the least at
• 1:11:55
  six seven K nine, but that ratio work doesn't get better it's but it's
• 1:12:00
  come against the Tiberries and the Orioles Twins and the Socks, and so now
• 1:12:06
  that he's throwing against the Red Sox and the Yankees and um, the Orioles
• 1:12:12
  sound and Stretch Blue Jays, Like, we'll see if he gets hit a
• 1:12:15
  little harder. But like you said, he limits hard contact. That's his
• 1:12:19
  big things. So if he's able to do that against weak group opponents,
• 1:12:25
  to you think that he can still do that for a little bit against more
• 1:12:29
  difficult opponents. Yeah, you're right, you know, And I'm one that
• 1:12:34
  you know, just can't invest the guys that aren't getting the strikeouts. So
• 1:12:39
  even if you're helping the ratios, it is hard, hard to look the
• 1:12:43
  other way with with the lack of strikeouts. But still still a guy that
• 1:12:47
  maybe in the back end of your rotations worth you know, keeping around doing
• 1:12:50
  the spot starts, but probably not doing starts. And I'm surprised to say
• 1:12:54
  this against like the Orioles of all teams in that in that division. Yeah,
• 1:13:00
  Okay, the next one another Cardinals trade number six, Mark Join Montgomery
• 1:13:03
  and Chris Stratton going to the Rangers for John Kane to co of Robie and
• 1:13:09
  Thomas Sagassy, What do you think they're brew? Yeah, I think,
• 1:13:14
  um, you know, for for Montgomery leaving the Cardinals, I struggle with
• 1:13:20
  this one. You can argue I think both ways and his value. Cardinals
• 1:13:24
  have an extremely good defense traditionally, it hasn't been as good this year,
• 1:13:30
  so I think you know that that's held ratios down. Saint Louis is more
• 1:13:32
  of a pitchers park than than the hitters park going to the Rangers, you
• 1:13:36
  know, maybe or a neutral environment, so that might be a little step
• 1:13:41
  back there that doesn't maybe have the same defense, but still a pretty pretty
• 1:13:44
  solid team there in Texas. Um that set. I think Montgomery has just
• 1:13:48
  been a released solid pitcher. Uh. You know, velocity is up this
• 1:13:53
  year. You know, he's still getting ground balls so that you you know,
• 1:13:57
  usually does uh strike up about the eight per nine, and so you
• 1:14:01
  know, I think he's maybe a level maybe slightly up value just because the
• 1:14:05
  extra wins potential, um, and you can't discount the excitement of the Pennant
• 1:14:11
  race. Um. And ever since Montgomery left New York, it just seems
• 1:14:15
  like the less lights, you know, the less uh spotlight being put on
• 1:14:19
  him, he's really responded well maybe I would say a little bit uh less
• 1:14:24
  harsh markets from a fan based perspective, and so I think that that still
• 1:14:29
  applies moving moving to Texas, and you know you also have to think,
• 1:14:32
  you know, he's he's joining uh pretty good other incoming trade partner there,
• 1:14:38
  um, and you know he might be able to learn something from a certain
• 1:14:43
  mister Scherzer and that that would be good for him. You know. You
• 1:14:46
  know, I just say he had probably a pretty good tutor and Adam Wayne
• 1:14:49
  right there in Saint Louis as well, so maybe he can pick something up.
• 1:14:54
  But I really like that personally to me, that the actually more interesting
• 1:14:57
  part of this trade. Um is I really from a dynasty perspective, Um,
• 1:15:01
  I'm really interested in and I'm gonna I'm gonna butcher his name, Thomas
• 1:15:08
  um Segassi. However, that's not the route I thought you're gonna go.
• 1:15:14
  I thought you're gonna go with Robi. But yeah, I know, actual,
• 1:15:17
  yeah, I see. Um. You know, he's he's really seemed
• 1:15:20
  to come on this year and um, as of late, he's been hitting,
• 1:15:27
  he's hitting well. I mean he's a twenty one year old in in
• 1:15:30
  double A. Um, you know he was a fifth round pick in that
• 1:15:34
  twenty twenty draft, so you want to say he was the last round of
• 1:15:38
  the twenty twenty draft. Was that shortened draft, you know, but he's
• 1:15:43
  one of those guys that UM seems to just have a really solid profile.
• 1:15:47
  UM. He's hit roughly three hundred every stop of the miners. You know,
• 1:15:51
  he seems to have a power that translates really well. Uh, he
• 1:15:56
  had hit fifteen homers in just ninety three games for were the Rangers at double
• 1:16:01
  A club there, and you know, from a perspective, he does seem
• 1:16:06
  to get on base. UM. Strikeouts aren't too big of a concern.
• 1:16:12
  A low twenty strikeout rate, UM, And I think if I recall it,
• 1:16:15
  I'd have to go back and look at splits that he has really turned
• 1:16:19
  it on as of late and really shown some some you know, good power
• 1:16:27
  actual and real games. Now. He I don't think he's a great fielder
• 1:16:30
  from from what I've seen, So he might have trouble finding a spot um
• 1:16:34
  of where he's gonna to fit long term. But if any team can deal
• 1:16:40
  with that, that's the Cardinals, who just like to move everybody around,
• 1:16:43
  and they've actually got some pretty good utility players. So I actually really like
• 1:16:46
  him as somebody to keep an eye on a long term there. So I
• 1:16:50
  went I went left when when you thought I was going right with Robi,
• 1:16:54
  But so what are your thoughts there and Roby? I thought you would go
• 1:16:57
  Roby. I like Roby a lot, even though he does have a five
• 1:17:00
  or five. You're Ray down in double A right now for Texas. He's
• 1:17:04
  had a three eighty five fifth, and a lot of that is because his
• 1:17:10
  left on base rate down in double A right now, sixty two point five
• 1:17:14
  percent. He's got a three forty nine babbit, so goad Book is giving
• 1:17:18
  him up. He's got a real big fastball. He sits in the mid
• 1:17:21
  nineties and Eric longenhanged from far and Graphs compares him to a less physical Hunter
• 1:17:29
  Brown football, and his latest prospect report, his original ETA was supposed to
• 1:17:32
  be twenty twenty five. But I think the Cardinals they need this pitching now.
• 1:17:36
  They're going to push him up now. And maybe not for this year,
• 1:17:41
  but I could see him debuting pretty quickly in twenty twenty four. He
• 1:17:44
  is a top one hundred prospects for fan Graphs overall, sixty fourth overall and
• 1:17:50
  so he's can probably hold something around like an eight, nine, ten,
• 1:17:57
  K nine in the majors based on kind of play he's been trending now.
• 1:18:00
  And so I think I like Robie is like almost like a Jack Clarity replacement,
• 1:18:06
  like a clone, where you can he's going to be like a number
• 1:18:11
  three starter for Cardinals, and maybe like a could be like a five,
• 1:18:15
  like a four or five for a famous purposes. Yeah, I think I
• 1:18:20
  think, just in its a general sense, if I look at the Cardinals,
• 1:18:24
  I was looking earlier at the kind of what they had picked up,
• 1:18:27
  and I think they actually, you know, i'd consider them well of winners
• 1:18:30
  at the deadline. You know, I think they added I think was seven
• 1:18:33
  players into their top thirty prospects at at the deadline, four of those being
• 1:18:39
  the top ten. So really a good retooling for a system that had had
• 1:18:43
  actually shot out a fair number of guys. And so I think that I
• 1:18:47
  may say something more about the deplete, how the depleted the system was more
• 1:18:51
  than the quality they got back. I'm not sure which way I want to
• 1:18:55
  read that one, but definitely some interesting guys and back that they look like
• 1:19:00
  and they're guys, and I think the Cardinals tend to do this. They're
• 1:19:03
  not guys that are far off. That's kind of an emo of Mosailock there
• 1:19:09
  in Saint louis Is. He kind of likes to bring the guys that are
• 1:19:11
  a little bit closer, a little bit more certain. Even in you know,
• 1:19:15
  drafts, he's drafting college hitters a lot more than what they they used
• 1:19:19
  to do. So um, interesting to see what the where that system goes
• 1:19:25
  over the next year, year, a year and a half. Yeah,
• 1:19:28
  exactly. So moving on to the next trade, still a Cardinal flavor with
• 1:19:32
  Randall gridcheck here. The seventh trade, Angels acquire CJ. Crone and Randol
• 1:19:38
  Gridek from Rockies for minor leakers Mason Albright and Jake Madden. I don't even
• 1:19:45
  think they need to do discussion on this one. I'm just gonna CJ crone
• 1:19:47
  and Randall good track or leave in Colorado. They're gonna play a short sightetoons
• 1:19:54
  just like it's bad. So it's good for ale only pickups maybe if you're
• 1:19:59
  desperate, but otherwise, uh, I'm cutting c J. Crone and Brando
• 1:20:03
  Great took any place I had them because I was streaming them in Colorado.
• 1:20:06
  Essentially, Yeah, and you have to think on the on the inverse side,
• 1:20:11
  you know, and it makes sense for Colorado bringing in two pitchers,
• 1:20:15
  but downgrades just inherently go into Colorado. Um, I don't you know,
• 1:20:21
  didn't didn't look too deep into those and I think there are actually some some
• 1:20:25
  decent young arms. Um, but you know, bringing bringing in those those
• 1:20:29
  guys, uh to try to continuously fight that ever ending problem of pitching pitching
• 1:20:34
  in the Rockies. So well, we'll see if they if these two were
• 1:20:39
  the saviors, but you know, whatever nast value they had definitely took a
• 1:20:43
  hit. Yeah, and even for the Rockies, I don't think that the
• 1:20:45
  impact fantasy wise is that huge because, uh like Michael Tolia and Alhiris Montero
• 1:20:53
  are kind of stepping into roles right now. But Charlie Blackman's going to be
• 1:20:56
  back soon and it's just a matter of time before they buried the guys back
• 1:21:00
  on the depth chart. So I'm not even trying to do too much with
• 1:21:04
  Colorado until black Man comes back and that lineup gets a little more said up
• 1:21:09
  again, I have to agree, I think we can. I think that
• 1:21:12
  was a good one to just power right through. Yeah, this next one
• 1:21:15
  I think should be pretty easy too, just because it's pretty straightforward. Number
• 1:21:19
  eight was Himer cleaned Lario going to the Cubs from the Nationals for Kevin Maid
• 1:21:26
  and DJ hers Brew. Are you much of the Candelario guy and what do
• 1:21:30
  you think about his value now going forward with the Cubs. Yeah, Historically
• 1:21:34
  I really have not been much of a kind of Lario guy. You know,
• 1:21:38
  he to me, he has middling power, He's always been in middling
• 1:21:42
  lineups. Doesn't have a whole lot of speed, is you know, at
• 1:21:46
  best, So I would say a two fifty hitter, and so he just
• 1:21:51
  he's be a streaky hitter, which should I think is what excites people at
• 1:21:56
  times is that he'll all of a sudden, you know, go for a
• 1:21:59
  week or two, uh, smash three or four home runs, you know,
• 1:22:02
  and and he's got some good power when he actually makes that connection,
• 1:22:05
  right. Um. But you know, he's having a good season right now.
• 1:22:10
  Um. Overall, you know, he's he's likely on the path to
• 1:22:14
  a career high in the home runs. UM. But at the end of
• 1:22:18
  the day, not a guy that necessarily excites me too much. UM for
• 1:22:24
  and especially you know, moving over to UH to the Cubs there. Um,
• 1:22:30
  there's just not a whole lot of protection that lineup right now. Um,
• 1:22:35
  and you know I could see, uh, you know that a little
• 1:22:40
  bit of crowd there. You know the first base, their base. You
• 1:22:43
  know, DH type type position. So, um, how about you?
• 1:22:47
  Are you a candelario guy only in a break case or break gas, break
• 1:22:55
  glass the case of emergency. That's so much harder to say on a pot
• 1:23:00
  asked than you would ever imagine, great glass case of emergency type of player
• 1:23:04
  that like, if you're desperate, all the injuries have happened at third base
• 1:23:09
  in corner that's not getting them. But that's about it. And so he
• 1:23:13
  gets a little bit of a boostable value going to a better team. But
• 1:23:16
  overall, I agree like he's a pretty middling hitter in terms of fantasy value,
• 1:23:21
  and so it's not someone I'm usually looking to target because even when he
• 1:23:26
  is in there, he's not occurring enough runs an RBI for you to really
• 1:23:30
  make it worth it that I'm trying to pop something a little bit bigger in
• 1:23:33
  terms of stolen bases or home runs out of that spot. Instead, I
• 1:23:41
  think he's a nail on ahead on that one. Yeah, Yeah, the
• 1:23:44
  next trade this one. Yeah, back to the paying train here at number
• 1:23:49
  nine, Marlin's acquired Jake Burger from the White Sox for Jake Edder trade of
• 1:23:55
  the Jake's. What do you think about Jake Burger being on the Marlins down
• 1:23:58
  said have the Sox. Yeah, I don't know that there's a huge value
• 1:24:02
  change for me, uh for for Burger moving to to the Marlins from from
• 1:24:08
  the Socks. You know, I think he he's really coming to his own
• 1:24:12
  as far as power this year, I think that's really gonna be his calling
• 1:24:15
  card. Um. I just I don't see a big difference in the in
• 1:24:18
  the lineup. Um. If anything, I actually kind of liked where what
• 1:24:23
  he had in Chicago. As far as the lineups are come certain, I
• 1:24:26
  think he had a little bit more rum producing potential. Um. The Marlins
• 1:24:31
  lineup might be a little bit more even keeled overall, it might be like
• 1:24:34
  a better baseball team. Um. But as far as like, you know,
• 1:24:38
  potential, you know, being in the thick of the middle lineup,
• 1:24:41
  I think, you know, as Burger tended to be with the White Sox,
• 1:24:44
  I think he had a little bit more run production but potential. So
• 1:24:46
  I think he's still gonna, you know, keep producing, keep laying well.
• 1:24:49
  That ballparking in Miami is is cavernous. Um, so I haven't looked
• 1:24:56
  to see. Um. Maybe will we chat here, I'll pull up Baseball
• 1:25:00
  Savant to see you know, if if he had hit all his home runs
• 1:25:04
  in Miami, how many of those would actually have left the ballpark. That's
• 1:25:10
  always a fun little thing to look at. So relatively for me, it's
• 1:25:14
  it's kind of a non event. But I'm also not a card carrying member
• 1:25:20
  of the Jake Burger fan club like like yourself. So um, yeah,
• 1:25:26
  relatively neutral. I think Burger's having a really really good year. Um,
• 1:25:30
  and makes sense why Miami looked to to bring him a little bit surprised to
• 1:25:34
  your point that he would he was traded there, So I did. Did
• 1:25:39
  you pull up the the Baseball Savant chart? And he actually looks like a
• 1:25:47
  relatively even keel uh as far as his power played plays pretty consistently uh in
• 1:25:56
  Miami relative to the Socks. Maybe a slight drop back for him. Um,
• 1:26:02
  you know, he's just with with way his swing. Uh. From
• 1:26:06
  from what I what I can tell for him, he's an all or nothing
• 1:26:12
  kind of power guy. So ballpark doesn't matter nearly as much as some the
• 1:26:15
  guys who are just giving him over the fence. Um, he's maybe probably
• 1:26:19
  about half half of his stuff, is no doubt, or the second l
• 1:26:21
  he's the bat. Yeah, And overall, Jake Burger's value is gonna dip
• 1:26:29
  because it's a much worse part to hit in. The one thing to keep
• 1:26:33
  in mind is if you're in it, and i'll only league, I think
• 1:26:36
  he's the best bat to cross the al in Ol line. So he's gonna
• 1:26:43
  be your your bad Banianza guy, probably because there's really not a better bat
• 1:26:47
  if you are looking for one. So the other thing is a really good
• 1:26:51
  point, like in all only leagues, you know, or that he's he's
• 1:26:55
  actually probably a really big target because if you need that power, Um,
• 1:27:00
  he's gonna be the best bet you have. Yeah. And then going forward,
• 1:27:03
  I think he's pretty useless in vix LEAs just because of the park change,
• 1:27:08
  and he was already getting there because he's kind of Gallo esque with his
• 1:27:12
  two fourteen batting average. And the one thing I would watch is that if
• 1:27:16
  he's tweaking that k rate at all with the Marlins, it was at thirty
• 1:27:21
  one point six percent overall with the White Sox. He's a really aggressive hitter.
• 1:27:27
  If they get him to tamper that down and be a little more selective
• 1:27:30
  than that could lead to a better batting average. And he has the speed
• 1:27:35
  funny enough, he's like seventy five percent pile and speed to be able to
• 1:27:42
  actually like run a decent sized babbit if he's not, you know, just
• 1:27:47
  playing all for long balls, which he might not be able to in Miami.
• 1:27:54
  All right, chucking along, we're into double jis now ten. I
• 1:27:59
  think this one's gonna a pretty straightforward impact just because it's involving closers here,
• 1:28:02
  So Dbacks acquired Paul Sewald from the Mariners for Josh Rojas Dominic game Zone and
• 1:28:10
  Ryan Bliss. Any Where do you want to start? Which trader or which
• 1:28:16
  closer situation? Or maybe you want to talk about Josh Rojas Um? How
• 1:28:23
  do you know? You know me too? Well, I'm going to talk
• 1:28:26
  about Josh Rojas um and and I'll let you cover the closer piece of this
• 1:28:30
  one. And we you know, I'm it's a little bitter from our discussion
• 1:28:32
  earlier, so I'll let you take that. Um. But Josh Rohaus and
• 1:28:36
  it's probably it's not probably where you think. You know, folks might think
• 1:28:40
  I'm gonna go here. Is that Rojas I think has in the fantasy world
• 1:28:45
  traditionally had some hype. Uh He's he's kind of that guy that people you
• 1:28:49
  know expect to you know, be maybe a potential next year. He's gonna
• 1:28:55
  be that twenty twenty guy that you know hits two seventy and is just really
• 1:29:00
  like your your key middling fielder or uh, you know, outfielder, because
• 1:29:03
  he does have that a lot of positional flexibility. Um, but you know,
• 1:29:08
  he's definitely taking a step back this year. And so what I just
• 1:29:12
  want to caution about the you know, Josh Roe House going over. You
• 1:29:15
  know, the Mariners are taking a chance on him. And don't get me
• 1:29:17
  wrong this it feels like these two teams have traded before and in this aspect,
• 1:29:23
  I think a number of times actually these guys have picked up and it
• 1:29:28
  worked out well for both teams. I'm thinking of a you know, kind
• 1:29:30
  of like Miss Handeger I think was one of those that kind of went across
• 1:29:34
  it and did really well, um trying there was another one that I just
• 1:29:40
  uh ket Ketel Marte as well, guys just switching between these teams and then
• 1:29:44
  kind of taking off. I just don't see that with with Rojas. Um,
• 1:29:48
  you know, his his powers down this year. Uh, he's not
• 1:29:53
  making as good of contact. And then I was surprised as I was looking
• 1:29:58
  at him, his speed has really dropped off. You know, when when
• 1:30:01
  he came up in you know, twenty five, he was in the upper
• 1:30:04
  quarter of the league as far as you know, sprint speed, which was
• 1:30:10
  you know which great um. But you know at this point now, um,
• 1:30:15
  he's he's really almost down to the bottom third of the league as far
• 1:30:18
  as uh that that speed is concerned. And he really just seems to have
• 1:30:23
  kind of dropped off, um from a lot quicker than than we would have
• 1:30:27
  expected. So for a guy that you know, you're hoping has the power,
• 1:30:30
  but you always know he can bring the speed and kind of fill up
• 1:30:33
  the status sheet, I would just caution I don't think Rojas, even though
• 1:30:38
  you know the Mariners might be taking a chance on him and given him a
• 1:30:41
  spot to play, I don't I don't think he's really fantasy relevant at this
• 1:30:45
  point, gotcha, Yeah, No, And I think that's good to keep
• 1:30:48
  track of, especially since I think they officially were cutting go Long, so
• 1:30:55
  he should be entering his some story of time share at second base Yarrow and
• 1:31:00
  Posa Cavallero has really fallen off, so we'll see where that goes. Yeah,
• 1:31:03
  I think they're they're taking a gamble on him and hoping for a recovery.
• 1:31:08
  I think that's that's right. It's the right move to make, especially
• 1:31:11
  how poor Colton Long has been. I think they would just expected they would
• 1:31:15
  get more from him. So I think it makes sense for the Marriors the
• 1:31:17
  move they're making. I just think for fantasy owners, this is just a
• 1:31:20
  situation of a void. Yeah. And then in terms of the closer side
• 1:31:25
  for her the d Backs, thankfully we can all stop collectively spending all of
• 1:31:30
  our free agent dollars on chasing Diamondbacks closers between McGuff and Chapin and Miguel Castro
• 1:31:40
  and Ginkel who have all kind of sat in that role. So it's been
• 1:31:45
  a very good source of content for my waper wire every week. But Paul
• 1:31:48
  c Wald is the closer now and taking that role, I think does he
• 1:31:54
  have more control or see free agent? Do you know? I'm pretty sure
• 1:31:59
  that he had had more control. So that's great because he can stick there
• 1:32:02
  for a while. So if you've got some sort of peeper aspect Paul Sewald,
• 1:32:05
  that's a great landing spotform. And if you were the lucky person who
• 1:32:10
  was handcuffing Paul Sewald and Andres Minos together, you're lucky because now you've got
• 1:32:15
  two closers, and doesn't get better than those two. Honestly, they're probably
• 1:32:20
  both top like six or eight closers for me. Just the k rates are
• 1:32:29
  bananas, and so the Mariners are going to be a little weaker down the
• 1:32:33
  stretch wind wise and save wise, but Lumeos's strikeout rate array with are so
• 1:32:41
  amazing that he's going to be a huge asset. And Paul c Walds should
• 1:32:45
  see even more saves Arizona than if he was pore in Seattle. Yeah,
• 1:32:50
  I think you're right. I think both of those guys look look really good,
• 1:32:55
  really good options to have, And yeah, I'm glad that I'm no
• 1:33:00
  longer chasing Kevin Ginkel, Andrew Chaffin and everybody else under the sun, uh
• 1:33:06
  for for that team. And then speak speaking of you know the contracts,
• 1:33:12
  Uh, Paul Seawall looks like he's got one more year of arbitration. He
• 1:33:15
  is, you know, on the older side of of of players. He's
• 1:33:18
  actually thirty three years old. Um, took to a while of established himself
• 1:33:23
  and now he is. But so you know, there is a little bit
• 1:33:26
  of value beyond justice this year for Seawall. Then you have to think he
• 1:33:30
  you know, he's he's shown no reason that he won't continue to thrive there.
• 1:33:33
  And I'm right there with you on you knows as well, being probably
• 1:33:39
  that long term closer in Seattle. Yeah, um, all right, next
• 1:33:44
  one, the eleventh trade Dodgers are going to acquire or have acquired Lancelin,
• 1:33:48
  Joe Kelly from the Socks for Tracey Thompson, Nick Nastarini, and Jordan Leisure
• 1:33:56
  Leisure maybe Jordan Leisure. Um, I think Lancelin is the only person really
• 1:34:00
  that we have to care about from a fantasy perspective, because even like whoever
• 1:34:04
  the socks are backfilling the location for Lancelin, you don't want to touch him.
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  So, so what do you think about Lancelin going to Tinseltown and what
• 1:34:16
  do you think it portends for his value? Yeah? I mean, have
• 1:34:20
  you I think of the day you think it has to help his value.
• 1:34:24
  Um, the problem is where's his value to start with? I think is
• 1:34:28
  the really the really big question. You know. So going over to the
• 1:34:33
  Dodgers, you know, and he's already had his first start up there going
• 1:34:38
  uh getting a win, going seven innings, only allowing three runs. So
• 1:34:42
  it looks like he's off to a to a really really good start. But
• 1:34:45
  he has been the epitome of the cardiac picture. Uh this season. Um,
• 1:34:50
  you know, yeah that out even just a while, you know what,
• 1:34:55
  four or five starts to go where he was unhittable to give of like
• 1:34:58
  one run, un struck out a lot guys and seven Indians. And then
• 1:35:01
  you know, since then he's got you know, he had three starts and
• 1:35:04
  you know two and we give up six runs, six runs, one give
• 1:35:08
  up another one up seven runs, and so uh, he's just a little
• 1:35:11
  bit all over the place. UM. I do tend to think that,
• 1:35:14
  you know, playing you know, you can kind of spot start him very
• 1:35:17
  well against the the the NL West there. Uh so if you're if you're
• 1:35:23
  looking, you know, he's gonna start out there in San Francisco, uh
• 1:35:27
  something like that. If you know, if the Rockies are coming to town,
• 1:35:30
  I'll probably wouldn't play him out in cours. I think that there's a
• 1:35:32
  really good spot start potential uh for uh someone like Lynn. Uh So his
• 1:35:39
  value does get better. But um, you know, the Lance Land we're
• 1:35:43
  looking at here still still gets the strikeouts. But I do think he's a
• 1:35:46
  bit of a wild card, uh as far as what you're gonna get every
• 1:35:50
  start. Uh So I wouldn't be investing with him as a guy that I'm
• 1:35:55
  gonna put my rotation every day, but definitely uh, selective spots starting is
• 1:36:00
  is really the calling card of of let out of this trade? Yeah,
• 1:36:04
  I mean I actually like I might be buying He looked it was Oakland last
• 1:36:11
  night. Okay, that's a spot started. I think Oakland qualifies. Yeah,
• 1:36:17
  but he looked really good last night. Seven inning, seven k's only
• 1:36:21
  one walk. His achilles hell has been the long ball, and he gave
• 1:36:26
  up three homewers last night. The thing that the Dodgers and everybody's calling for
• 1:36:32
  this is if the Dodgers can get him to go away from the fastball,
• 1:36:36
  go more towards this curveball, which it's Benna. It's a little tough to
• 1:36:41
  tell from last night that last night he went to the curveball twenty percent at
• 1:36:45
  the time when he's been going to it twelve percentage of the time with White
• 1:36:49
  Sox and he The biggest thing is that he really shaved down the cutter usage.
• 1:36:55
  I don't know if it was just a reading thing or if it actually
• 1:37:00
  was a cutter usage, but they only threw if four percent last night when
• 1:37:04
  he was throwing it in twenty five socks, So I don't know if I
• 1:37:12
  actually like that. Though his fastball's not good, like his regular fastball's only
• 1:37:16
  ninety two miles an hour, and I don't know, Like the Dodgers,
• 1:37:20
  you want to put faith in them, but they couldn't do it, know
• 1:37:24
  a synder guard and Lancelin kind of reminds me in terms of no a synder
• 1:37:29
  guard that he's just way past his time. And I think I'm still buying
• 1:37:33
  though, just because like they're gonna let him go, and this is a
• 1:37:39
  guy kind of like mad Max. For the motivation to play for a team
• 1:37:44
  is there. There were certainly starts that I watched Lancelin's this year where he
• 1:37:49
  totally gave up. It looked like he would just be hiking fastballs down the
• 1:37:54
  middle and looked frustrated and great to go home. And now that I think
• 1:37:58
  he's in a better situation, the Dodgers could find a better path for him.
• 1:38:04
  So I'm buying him that if he's out there, because I think there's
• 1:38:08
  lots of these that he was dropped in and if you're looking for somebody to
• 1:38:12
  stream especially, I think i'd take him just about every two start, so
• 1:38:18
  I would look to try to acquire him even despite all those things, because
• 1:38:23
  there's just a little bit of like magic dust. I think the Dodgers can
• 1:38:27
  sprinkle on him. If you do see that this crass ball is getting bounded
• 1:38:30
  in his next start and it's just not working, you can totally cut bait
• 1:38:34
  and you're going to be bad right back when you work, because I think
• 1:38:39
  Lancelin is pretty free and lots of places right now. Okay, another Cardinals
• 1:38:46
  x Cardinals picture that would come off to lots of Cardinals and socks. That's
• 1:38:50
  I'm having too much fun like discussing this as we're really going deep on this
• 1:38:56
  podcast. The twelfth one Jack Clarity to the Ores for ses Ar Preto and
• 1:39:00
  Drew Rom. I'll focus on Drew Rom a little bit just because I think
• 1:39:06
  he's a little bit like what I was talking about previously with the DoD with
• 1:39:13
  the with the Rangers deal when they brought up Robie. Ram isn't that same
• 1:39:18
  sort of mold. But I think he's going to be a little worse than
• 1:39:21
  Robie. Robie. I think it's just been having a good year. Ram
• 1:39:25
  has been struggling. He's really been struggling with blocks to Baltimore. But also
• 1:39:30
  see a little bit of the case of like a guy that just kind of
• 1:39:32
  stalls out in Triple A because he gets bored, like Jerrom that's probably staring
• 1:39:38
  up at the rotation in Baltimore and see likes a Pole Irvan and some of
• 1:39:43
  the other people that they've been trotting through there and wondering why it wasn't him.
• 1:39:46
  So I could see Drew Roum breaking camp with the Cardinals next year and
• 1:39:50
  they're starting rotation or honestly even getting a chance down the stretch. So keep
• 1:39:55
  your eyes on him as they kind of increases must patterns going forward. But
• 1:40:00
  I'll let you talk about Jack Clairty in which you think he's going to do
• 1:40:02
  in Baltimore. Yeah, I think there's two key things with Jack Flairty here.
• 1:40:10
  One, Jack Flaherty. Uh is is very much an emotional picture.
• 1:40:15
  Um so you know, sorry, deep fantasy analysis, we're really going here.
• 1:40:20
  But for a guy that really runs an emotion, you know, he
• 1:40:25
  lives in breeze. He is when he's on, he is on, he
• 1:40:29
  is scary, he is good. When he is off. You can just
• 1:40:31
  tell like he doesn't know where things going. Which is which is? I
• 1:40:34
  think the question for in here, you know, and I think uh going
• 1:40:39
  over to to Baltimore is actually really really good for him in that aspect.
• 1:40:45
  He that's as a young team, I'm not in the clubhouse by gap,
• 1:40:50
  have to think that they're jelling. They're having a heck of a lot of
• 1:40:54
  fun. They are, you know, taking on the big dogs in the
• 1:40:56
  in the al e. So I think that that's gonna be uh exxciting for
• 1:41:00
  him. And he frankly has been pitching better as of late. Uh last
• 1:41:04
  you know, six starts, he's ear a just barely over over three.
• 1:41:10
  You know, he's uh not the front line ace that folks you know want
• 1:41:15
  him to be in the Cardinals expecting to be. If he was, the
• 1:41:17
  Cardinals wouldn't be be letting him go. But I think he's the kind of
• 1:41:21
  guy that definitely could ramp it up for the stretch run here and really make
• 1:41:26
  an impact. So I actually see Flarity's value going up just because I think
• 1:41:32
  he's going to get into that Pennant race and he has been pitching better as
• 1:41:36
  of late. Keep an eye on on the the his velocity, see,
• 1:41:42
  you know, it has been trending down slowly the last few years, and
• 1:41:45
  so let's see if you know, he gets out there and makes a starter
• 1:41:49
  or two and then he's got that velocity pumping up. Just based on a
• 1:41:53
  pure adjournalin, I think there's something to something to like here. So um,
• 1:41:58
  like I said, he's pitching better as late, he's going to a
• 1:42:00
  good situation, he's going to a good team, and I think the Pennant
• 1:42:03
  Race is really going to going to motivate him. So I would look for
• 1:42:08
  Clarity to to do well the rest of the season. Yeah, I think
• 1:42:14
  I agree that. I was worried that he might end up in a a
• 1:42:16
  beef role somewhere, but Baltimore needs starters, so it was a good landing
• 1:42:19
  spot for him. I think he's gonna love pitching in Baltimore in front of
• 1:42:23
  that giant, deep left field fens that they have and so um, yeah,
• 1:42:30
  I think he's a good pickup as well. Another guy that I mean,
• 1:42:33
  he's crossing the ALNL border. Obviously he's not gonna have the value that
• 1:42:40
  Shares are in Burlander have, but as those people are looking at Burlander and
• 1:42:44
  Sharser, you could sneak in hopefully a lower bid on clarity. And I
• 1:42:49
  like him better than Jordan Montgomery. And Jordan Montgomery might you think might be
• 1:42:55
  going for more money, I would focus maybe on throw of those slots jack
• 1:43:00
  player instead. Yeah, I think there actually is something to be said for
• 1:43:02
  a stratrategy, you know, in an AL only league, if if you
• 1:43:05
  need pitching, maybe skipping Scherzer and Verlander and just trying to grab you know,
• 1:43:12
  Montgomery and Flaherty. Um, it depends on what you're after all,
• 1:43:15
  you need one guy you're going after max Um. But if you if you're
• 1:43:19
  needing innings, if you're if you're needing and you're looking for a shot in
• 1:43:21
  the arm, uh, you know, upside plays, you know, I
• 1:43:26
  think there's there's a case to be said for letting everybody look at those big
• 1:43:30
  guys and you can actually probably swing in and grab some some pretty good value
• 1:43:32
  picks here. Yeah, okay, number thirteen. We made it to the
• 1:43:38
  thirteen, So the thirteen. I don't even know if there's really any fancy
• 1:43:44
  impact here, but I mostly want to talk about my man Dick Mountain Padres
• 1:43:47
  and player Richell and g Manchoy from the Pirates for Jackson, Wolf, Alfonzo
• 1:43:53
  Rivis and es Tor swarow Um. I think the biggest thing is Richell gets
• 1:43:58
  his thirteenth team this way. It is so he's closing in on Edwin Jackson's
• 1:44:02
  record, and we'll see if he can pull that off. But I don't
• 1:44:09
  know if I want Richill, Like Richill is a guy that you're looking to
• 1:44:15
  maybe used during two start weeks, but otherwise it can really blow up on
• 1:44:19
  you just because he's throwing that slow basketball and if he hangs a couple of
• 1:44:25
  curves, it could leave the part pretty quick. Gi man CHOI should be
• 1:44:29
  slotting into a benchual for the Padres. So anything you see outside of what
• 1:44:34
  I was just going up with Richill and many there, yeah, I'll say
• 1:44:39
  gimn Hoy I might be worth keeping a little bit of an eye on.
• 1:44:42
  I'm not there's nobody breaking the bank here. Let's let's speak very clear.
• 1:44:45
  Rich Hill for years was actually really interesting and fun to watch. It seems
• 1:44:48
  like he was just this ageless wonder that would always give you ratios. But
• 1:44:53
  Gie man Choy, you know, he's probably gonna be in the strong side
• 1:44:57
  platoon in that you know, da kind of a space um for for the
• 1:45:03
  Padres. It kind of got Louis Campusano getting some some of bats there right
• 1:45:08
  now since they kind of moved on from Nelson cruz um. And traditionally he's
• 1:45:13
  been a guy that can kind of crush um uh, the the righties.
• 1:45:18
  Um. He's been a kind of a part time rolled Pittsburgh this year,
• 1:45:20
  so he hasn't really got a whole lot of chance. And he you know,
• 1:45:23
  I think he's has if I recall, had some injury issues as well.
• 1:45:26
  So he's traditionally as kind of mashed at rightings um. Never been a
• 1:45:30
  high average guy really a you know, not a fast guy, doesn't leg
• 1:45:35
  things out. But if you're you know, looking for a if you have
• 1:45:39
  a platoon situation at first for for whatever reason, then you're looking for some
• 1:45:43
  power. You know, she' been CHOI actually could could bring that. I'm
• 1:45:46
  not saying he's an investment guy. He's probably the guy that if somebody goes
• 1:45:49
  down with an injury and you have to go to the waiver wire, He's
• 1:45:53
  not the worst choice right now. So I think he's he gets some more
• 1:45:56
  starts and people expect. I think that he'll hit you know, a handful
• 1:45:59
  of home before the season ends. Maybe he gets a hot week where he
• 1:46:02
  goes again, goes to cores and faces a ton of ritis. Go ahead
• 1:46:05
  and stream him for that week. I think that's what you're looking at,
• 1:46:09
  Jim and Choy. But overall, not a whole lot to write home out
• 1:46:12
  in this trade. Yeah, and honestly, I'm a little bit sad that
• 1:46:16
  he left Pittsburgh because it looked like in Pittsburgh he would have had a better
• 1:46:19
  role at first base there. But in San Diego, we'll see if he
• 1:46:25
  gets playing time over cornan Worth or kind of what happens overall. But yeah,
• 1:46:30
  we'll see what Ganchoi does. There were two more closiers that I wanted
• 1:46:35
  to go over there continue go over in this top thirteen rundown. The first
• 1:46:41
  one is a trade that kind of happened early on the weekend, and that
• 1:46:45
  was David Robertson going from the Mets to the Marlins. That's pretty set that.
• 1:46:49
  I don't think David roberts Certain's value is changing too much, like maybe
• 1:46:55
  a pick up, but he's going to be a steady closer there in Miami.
• 1:47:00
  Obviously, AJ Puck is done closing or Tanner Scott if you're respecting on
• 1:47:03
  him. So David Robertson's the end all and you all for saves right now
• 1:47:10
  in Miami. And then the other is when Scott Barlow was traded for or
• 1:47:15
  to San Diego from Kansas City, that opened up the job to Carlo Serandez,
• 1:47:21
  and I think most people already were specking on that. Carlo Seriez was
• 1:47:27
  starting to get picked up in lots of places, and honestly, he even
• 1:47:30
  though he's a closer, he might not be totally worth it because the Royals
• 1:47:33
  are really, really terrible and you might maybe only get, you know,
• 1:47:38
  three or four saves out of him rest a way. So he's been good
• 1:47:42
  ratio wise, has been striking beads out. But those are two closers that
• 1:47:45
  you can look at and kind of situations that are changing. Scott Barlow when
• 1:47:50
  he's going to San Diego. He's not even gonna sniff the closer role.
• 1:47:54
  So Josh Ader stuck around and Scott Barlow is going to have to hurdle three
• 1:47:59
  or four dudes before he even gets on the conversation again. Yeah, I
• 1:48:03
  think you read the guy. Of those two, the one that I want
• 1:48:06
  to be most interested in is definitely Carlos Hernandez. I think he has potentially
• 1:48:13
  the best up and coming stuff. Uh, you know, really looks to
• 1:48:17
  you know, be pumping it in there, you know, ninety nine hundred
• 1:48:19
  type of guy. Uh seems like the controls taking a step forward this season.
• 1:48:26
  And uh, you know, he is a little flyball prone, so
• 1:48:29
  I worry a little bit about that, that volatility there. But he plays
• 1:48:33
  for Kansas City, and there's just uh, you know, so I think
• 1:48:36
  he's the kind of guy that if you're looking for a few saves, you
• 1:48:39
  can pick him up cheap. You know, you grab him off the waiver
• 1:48:42
  wire, you go for it. Uh, just don't. I probably wouldn't
• 1:48:45
  be looking to trade to acquire him. Uh. If you're looking for saves,
• 1:48:48
  he's probably just gonna get a handful, you know, the rest of
• 1:48:51
  the season. It might be you know, back to back nights he gets
• 1:48:54
  saves, it might be two weeks before he gets another one, So not
• 1:48:58
  not the guy that you're looking for for saves. If you have to go
• 1:49:00
  for that, Robertson's probably the probably better pickup. Yeah, I agree,
• 1:49:04
  definitely, And I don't even think obviously he's not going to be available,
• 1:49:09
  but he's going to be on the trade market for you. And I would
• 1:49:13
  definitely suggest gaing David Robertson if you eat him, because he has been just
• 1:49:17
  a rock for like the past fifteen years. So I think he's a great
• 1:49:21
  reliever and closer and great place to go. But I also like, I
• 1:49:27
  think that opens up for next week. It should be starting to get more
• 1:49:30
  into fancy trade deadline prime season, and so we can maybe touch on that
• 1:49:34
  a little bit next week in terms of what strategies we might have there,
• 1:49:39
  because I know I've mentioned earlier I have one that's coming up tomorrow in one
• 1:49:43
  week, but I think most of them have him in mid to late August,
• 1:49:47
  So we can go through a few things there. If you're looking to
• 1:49:50
  acquire David Robertson. I know we just covered tons and tons of trades there
• 1:49:56
  and write in the rundown right now that like the trades that we've gone through
• 1:50:00
  or just it, we've only gotten to the tip of the iceberg. So
• 1:50:04
  I'm gonna link to Mike pittreol is great piece forimb dot com, so you
• 1:50:08
  can check out some of these other trades that went down. And I'm going
• 1:50:11
  to also link to all the trades that happened during the deadline. You can
• 1:50:14
  see which one's slipped through the cracks and flu underneath your radar. But true,
• 1:50:19
  thanks for joining me in this marathon. Thanks for getting through the trade
• 1:50:24
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• 1:50:29
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• 1:50:33
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• 1:50:39
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• 1:50:44
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• 1:51:32
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