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WHERE IS DULCE ALAVEZ? Family releases new video of the missing 5 year-old as police work to pin down a suspect. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Um, I can't find my daughter. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: when was the last time you seen her? We moved
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  Speaker 1: here at the part seven, people said that somebody probably
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  Speaker 1: somebody's tisker. Okay. How old is she? She's five years old? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: And what park are you at here? In Burston Park? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: We're at the Burston Park, are you, um, the one
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  Speaker 1: with the basketball court where high school is? Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: you're at the basketball courts behind high school? Yes, okay.
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  Speaker 1: And what was she seen last wearing? She was wearing? Um, um,
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  Speaker 1: give me a second, you play with the was on
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  Speaker 1: the movies. I don't remember what closer she was wearing,
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  Speaker 1: but she was wearing. I just remember what ten she
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  Speaker 1: was wearing, like a flower for flowery tens and some
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  Speaker 1: heels from white heels. Okay, I'm stand li, I'm I
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  Speaker 1: trying to hear to the police. Okay, you said she
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  Speaker 1: was five, correct? Yes? All right? Hello ma'am, Hello, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: did you see which direction your child went? You know,
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  Speaker 1: we were in the car when she came down with
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  Speaker 1: my son. They were running to the park, and then
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  Speaker 1: me and sister we came down. So when when when
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  Speaker 1: we got here? At the park she was in years
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  Speaker 1: sisty be that my son was just climbing with ice
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  Speaker 1: cream because somebody to his ice cream in the plum.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter just went away. The reward for information on
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  Speaker 1: the missing five year old little girl Dulse ALIVEAZ who
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  Speaker 1: vanishes from a local park has now climbed to fifty
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  Speaker 1: two thousand dollars. Where is Dulse? With every day, every hour,
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  Speaker 1: literally every minute that passes, the likelihood of bringing this
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  Speaker 1: little girl home alive diminishes with me an all star panel.
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, renowned family lawyer, joining side of North Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Former NYPD John Cardillo, psychologists joining us from Manhattan. Karen Stark,
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  Speaker 1: you can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Director
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  Speaker 1: of the Coal Case Research Institute and crime scene expert
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  Speaker 1: Cheryl McCullum. Right now to rate oar online dot COM's
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  Speaker 1: Alexis Terres. Alexis, I am very irritated right now because
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  Speaker 1: not to name any names, but some headlines are saying
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  Speaker 1: five year old girl may have been objected. Look, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know who took her, but somebody kidnapped her. Somebody
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  Speaker 1: took her. I don't like that insinuation. What the what
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  Speaker 1: she ran off and she's living on the riviera and
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  Speaker 1: a pair of Neil sunglasses. No, she was taken, Alexis.
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  Speaker 1: What's the latest. The latest is that her mother has
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  Speaker 1: said she called nine one one in a panic. She
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  Speaker 1: was sitting in the park with her with another eight
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  Speaker 1: year old relative in the car. She was playing with
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  Speaker 1: her little boy her little brother, just steps away from
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  Speaker 1: each other to sin a park right the wh wh
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  Speaker 1: whoa whoa whoa wa Alexis Terestchuck, investigative reporter, rater online
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  Speaker 1: dot com. I hate to take you to school, but
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't just a few steps away. I mean, Cheryl
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  Speaker 1: McCollum backed me up. Now we know Alexis Tereshchuk is
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  Speaker 1: a new mom. Okay, so maybe in her mind thirty
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  Speaker 1: yards at some ninety feet away. Cheryl McCollum, now, Alexis Tereshchuk,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you're faster than I am. But if a guy
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  Speaker 1: pulls up and a reddish colored minivan and waves at
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  Speaker 1: the little girl she gets in the car, I really
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  Speaker 1: don't think that the mom in a car talking to
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  Speaker 1: her eight year old little sisters. I understand who the
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  Speaker 1: child was with her two children ninety feet away. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think she's that fast. She's not an Olympic sprinter, Sheryl.
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  Speaker 1: Not only that, Nancy, where she was sitting in her car,
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  Speaker 1: there's like a little heel a mound. She couldn't see
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  Speaker 1: over it to see the swings where the children apparently went.
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  Speaker 1: She had no field of vision to watch them from
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  Speaker 1: where she was. Now another Crack reporter, Jackie Howard sitting
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  Speaker 1: here chiming in, has now reported from her quote sources
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  Speaker 1: that the mom was scratching lottery tickets. What do you know,
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  Speaker 1: alexis terres Chuck. That is what has been reported, that
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  Speaker 1: she was not paying attention at all, and that she
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  Speaker 1: was scratching lottery tickets. I just am finding this story, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: to be It is hurting my heart so much too.
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  Speaker 1: When I look at this picture of this little girl,
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  Speaker 1: and I just, after all the stories that we have covered,
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  Speaker 1: in everything that you always say, it is really scaring
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  Speaker 1: me for her. And I hesitate to say anything about
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  Speaker 1: the mom because I'm just afraid that some other people
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  Speaker 1: took her. I look at that little face, and there's
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  Speaker 1: just something that's really scaring me about this story, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the one that gets to me. Karen Stark. I think
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  Speaker 1: we need a shrink because Alexis and I Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: you know, apparently this is just an old hat to
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  Speaker 1: her because she doesn't seem to feel a thing. But
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  Speaker 1: Karen Star, Alexis is right. I'm looking at the picture
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  Speaker 1: of Dulcie with the pigtails way up on top of
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  Speaker 1: her head. She is the cutest thing. I just I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine somebody taking this little girl, Karen Stark, And
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  Speaker 1: why is it? It strikes us to the heart because
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  Speaker 1: she's a little girl, because she's so innocent, because there's
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  Speaker 1: no way that she can defend herself. If you think
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  Speaker 1: of the story and you imagine what might have happened
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  Speaker 1: that this man approached her and offered her a toy.
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  Speaker 1: Are somebody that people like this, Men like this are
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  Speaker 1: very skilled at being able to attract little children, and
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  Speaker 1: so this innocent little girl follows him and hasn't been
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  Speaker 1: seen since. And it's hard to imagine that any mother
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  Speaker 1: would take her eye off of this child and not
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  Speaker 1: have her in her view. It's just the status heartbreaking.
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  Speaker 1: It really, it hits all of us, Nancy, because we
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  Speaker 1: all know how innocent children are, and we love children,
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  Speaker 1: you know. To Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of resent the headlines that Dulsie may have been kidnapped.
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  Speaker 1: She was kidnapped. Now, I don't know who did it
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  Speaker 1: or for what reason, but this child was taking Kathleen.
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  Speaker 1: Why are they saying that? And I don't like aspersions
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  Speaker 1: cast on the mom right now because there have been
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  Speaker 1: times I've had the children at the playground, not ninety
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  Speaker 1: feet away from me, but at the playground and I've
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  Speaker 1: had to go back to the car and get bottled water,
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  Speaker 1: or I've been sitting on a bench and I looked
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  Speaker 1: at my look down to work onto my iPad while
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  Speaker 1: they're playing. So I'm not gonna steam the mom. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not gonna boil her in the hot water because she
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  Speaker 1: was scratching a lot of tickets. But I do think
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  Speaker 1: ninety feet was too far away to be Why are
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  Speaker 1: the headlines saying that, Kathleen Murphy. To me, it's very
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  Speaker 1: clear that they've identified some person of interest in regards
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  Speaker 1: to being at the park at the same time. It
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  Speaker 1: was a red van, I believe. So it's clear to
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  Speaker 1: me like it is to you, that this child has
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  Speaker 1: been taken and now we learn the entire narrative is changing.
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  Speaker 1: The witnesses who claim they see a Hispanic man with
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  Speaker 1: acne scars on his face lure Dulce into a reddish
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  Speaker 1: color van or minivan. Now there's a whole different story emerging.
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  Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. The police have now issued
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  Speaker 1: an amber alert. They say they have reason to believe
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  Speaker 1: that she was abducted. These are the last images of
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  Speaker 1: Luce Madia before as she vanished. She wore a yellow
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  Speaker 1: shirt with a Koala bear on the front, black and
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  Speaker 1: white pants, and white sandals. Police also have the description
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  Speaker 1: of the man who is believed to have abducted her
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  Speaker 1: from the bridget In City Park. They say he is
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  Speaker 1: light skinned, about five six to five eight, a thin billed,
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  Speaker 1: no facial hair, acne on his face, wearing orange sneakers,
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  Speaker 1: possibly Nike, red pants, and a black shirt. Police say
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  Speaker 1: this mystery man led Luce from the playground to a
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  Speaker 1: red van with a sliding door and tinted windows. She
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  Speaker 1: was seated in the back by that man and then
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  Speaker 1: he drove off around four twenty. That would be just
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  Speaker 1: minutes after her mother last saw her. You were hearing
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  Speaker 1: ABC Action News reporter Jeanette Ray. Yes, but white a minute.
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  Speaker 1: They narrative as now drastically changing. Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 1: You didn't see anyone else around there that she could
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  Speaker 1: p possibly have went with. No, not no that I
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  Speaker 1: know because we saw one. There's just some other people
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  Speaker 1: that they're here that said that they saw her running
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  Speaker 1: running through through some houses in the back. And they
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  Speaker 1: said that they saw two firs. They saw two men
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  Speaker 1: they all black guy and they saw Mexican man with
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  Speaker 1: two kids. They who's saying that they saw them? But
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  Speaker 1: there's people here in the basketball courts that they saw her,
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  Speaker 1: they saw her listings. They're saying that there's people they're
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  Speaker 1: at the basketball court that they saw her running through
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  Speaker 1: some houses with two black males. She light skin, Spanish?
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  Speaker 1: What color top does she have on? Um? I don't remember. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: are you at the basketball court? Yes, I'm right here
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  Speaker 1: right now. She's that's the firm. She says that she's
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  Speaker 1: at the basketball court. And do you have your son
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  Speaker 1: with you? Or is your son? No, I have my
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  Speaker 1: son with me. They said. Um. He was crying on
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  Speaker 1: the sounds. He was just standing their crimes. He was
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  Speaker 1: standing their crimes. Okay, So which is it? Is it
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  Speaker 1: a Hispanic male with acne scars on his face, short
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  Speaker 1: mail getting her into a red, a reddish colored van
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  Speaker 1: or a minivan? Or is it a black male with
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  Speaker 1: a Hispanic man with two kids? Or is it two
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  Speaker 1: black males running with Dulcie? Listen to this. He said
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  Speaker 1: that the black males took his ice cream. No, they
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  Speaker 1: threw it in the floor. They took his ice cream
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  Speaker 1: and throw it on the floor, and then they left
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  Speaker 1: with your daughter, probably because I didn't saw it when
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  Speaker 1: we came in and looked for her. We were looking
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  Speaker 1: everywhere for her, was at the basketball court with her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: That there was two black mails that took her son's
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  Speaker 1: ice cream and threw it on the ground and left
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  Speaker 1: with her daughter. Okay, well we have the officers, are
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  Speaker 1: you on, Mayor aikin Um? I already have an officer here. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: all right, well speak with the police, may I'm okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: which one is it? Did sheer On McCallum, director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute. I am not saying the
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  Speaker 1: mom is involved in this. Let's just be clear about that.
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  Speaker 1: But do you remember when Susan Smith insisted it was
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  Speaker 1: an African American male. I was still in the courtroom
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  Speaker 1: at that time, and I was trying to case alone,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I was being threatened with the contempt
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  Speaker 1: of court again. And my friend, who is now a judge,
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  Speaker 1: Herman Sloan, came into the courtroom with a stack of
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  Speaker 1: appellot books to try to save me. God bless him.
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  Speaker 1: And somebody showed me the sketch of who allegedly took
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  Speaker 1: Susan Smith's children, and I said, Herman, where were you?
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  Speaker 1: It looked just like herman. So he died laughing. I'm like, hey, hey,
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  Speaker 1: don't laugh too much, Herman. So now we hear just
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  Speaker 1: is this muddle of confusion. We've got a Hispanic man
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  Speaker 1: with acne that lures her into a reddish colored van
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  Speaker 1: or minivan. Now we've got a Hispanic mail and an
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  Speaker 1: African American mail. Now I've got two African But remember
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  Speaker 1: before we blame this all on the mom. She's relaying
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  Speaker 1: what people on the basketball court are telling her. It
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  Speaker 1: is my understanding, Cheryl, she reay because she didn't see it.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the issue. This is why people are concerned,
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  Speaker 1: and this is why law enforcement is, you know, running
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  Speaker 1: down every lead in every avenue, because she starts looking
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  Speaker 1: for her daughters, supposedly for ten or fifteen minutes. When
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  Speaker 1: she can't find her, she doesn't call the police, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: She calls her brother. After another thirty or forty minutes,
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  Speaker 1: then they called the police. So now an hour has
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  Speaker 1: passed with this child, Missy. There's not a mama that's
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  Speaker 1: gonna tell you that would ever happen. We've all heard
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  Speaker 1: your story when you couldn't find John David and Target
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  Speaker 1: for thirty seconds and you wanted the whole place lockdown,
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  Speaker 1: so an hour and you didn't see it, and your
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  Speaker 1: best witness is a crying three year old. We have
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  Speaker 1: flagn all over creation that you've got to verify. She's
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  Speaker 1: claiming now again, when she calls nine one one, she's
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  Speaker 1: not begging for help. She's not demanded that they hurry,
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  Speaker 1: she's not demanded that they find her. And she never
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  Speaker 1: says it's some man. She says somebody, someone, not even
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  Speaker 1: a gender. So there's lots of concerns here for me.
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  Speaker 1: Well quote, somebody probably took her. Okay, I understand John Cardillo,
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  Speaker 1: former NYPD is chopping at the bit jump in, John, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't believe in where this mother says, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna come out and say she needs to be the
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  Speaker 1: primary suspect right now. If you if you go back
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  Speaker 1: to be cases, the well known case of the child
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  Speaker 1: abduction and many of the men did terribly go back
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  Speaker 1: to the Polyclass case many years ago. If you look
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  Speaker 1: at the fact pattern of that case and the evidence,
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  Speaker 1: her dad mark class, and her mom remembered minute details.
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  Speaker 1: They could have told you which way her bangs were
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  Speaker 1: hanging that morning, to the right or to the left,
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  Speaker 1: the pattern polyester to cotton, composition of her clothing. It
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  Speaker 1: defies all reason. The mom doesn't know what color pants,
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  Speaker 1: Oh maybe flowered, maybe black and white. I don't remember
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  Speaker 1: what color shirt. I don't really know where they were.
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  Speaker 1: They threw my son's ice cream on the floor. I've
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  Speaker 1: not heard a less believable story from an alleged complaining victim.
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  Speaker 1: And I work these specific cases quite a bit with
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  Speaker 1: the National Center for Missing and Exploded Children. Read a
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  Speaker 1: lot of nine one one transcripts. Nancy, if I were
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  Speaker 1: the investigator here, the mom would be my primary primary suspect.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing about this fact pattern or the timeline makes any
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  Speaker 1: sense whatsoever. We'll take a listen to what ABC six
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  Speaker 1: Philadelphia reporter John Rawlins says. The plight of the missing
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  Speaker 1: girl is on people's minds a lot, really, and our
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  Speaker 1: churches constantly talk about him, prayingport that safety for the
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  Speaker 1: little girl's messed up. Man, Like you gotta look at
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  Speaker 1: the prospective, like if it was hit child, how would
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  Speaker 1: you fail? People were boggled by this, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's mind blowing the fact that he
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  Speaker 1: had a mother and two little kids and where did
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  Speaker 1: she go. Officials again are asking people with cell phone
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  Speaker 1: images from the park at the time of the abduction
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  Speaker 1: to upload those images to the FBI the hope a video,
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  Speaker 1: say an athletic event, might include someone or something in
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  Speaker 1: the background that could aid investigators. The FBI used such
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  Speaker 1: uploads investigating a missing child in North Carolina in twenty
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  Speaker 1: eighteen and the Boston bomber case in twenty thirteen. So
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  Speaker 1: with that in mind again, authorities are urging anyone who
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  Speaker 1: might have video from here in the park in Bridgeton
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  Speaker 1: between three and six pm on Monday, September sixteenth, that's
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  Speaker 1: the time period where the little girl dell Say went missing,
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  Speaker 1: to please upload that video if you can crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Nothing is one hundred certainty until we
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  Speaker 1: find us. Despite limited answers, we are still learning new
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  Speaker 1: information about the moments after duels. Say and her family
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  Speaker 1: stopped for ice cream on that warm Monday. She and
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  Speaker 1: her three year old brother Rando the swings. They were unsupervised,
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  Speaker 1: and in less than ten minutes, no one emergency. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I can't find my daughter. Okay, what was the worst
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  Speaker 1: any seener we moved here at the fourteen People said
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  Speaker 1: that somebody probably somebody's from Bridgeton City Park. This nine
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  Speaker 1: one one call rang into police from the girl's mother. No,
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  Speaker 1: Emma dn't see anyone else around there that she could
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  Speaker 1: possibly have went with. This are black guy and this
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  Speaker 1: Mexican man, and police later learned only one man took Dulsay,
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  Speaker 1: not two. That's one of the reasons why there was
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  Speaker 1: a delay in the Amber alert, because I'm sure that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of your questions is that we
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  Speaker 1: have to vet that information. We have to verify that
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  Speaker 1: information through interview, interviewing the witness by law enforcement. Also
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  Speaker 1: at the center of that Amber alert was a red
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  Speaker 1: van whose driver has yet to be identified. I am
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  Speaker 1: not wed to the red vehicle. The witness that gave
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  Speaker 1: us that information is a child of tender years. I
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  Speaker 1: will not discount it. I will not ask the public
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  Speaker 1: to disregard it. Wow, you are hearing the very latest,
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  Speaker 1: including NBC ten reporters Sydney Long. Guys. Where is Dulce.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture right now of her and
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  Speaker 1: something that John Cardillo, former NYPD said has really struck
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  Speaker 1: a nerve. Alexis ures Chuck, I can tell you right
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  Speaker 1: now what the twins have on. It was a special
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  Speaker 1: day at school today and they're having all day games
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  Speaker 1: to celebrate a Saint. Okay, and he John David has
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  Speaker 1: on black Champion shorts that come down to about his knees.
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  Speaker 1: He has on red Adidas shoes, and he's got on
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  Speaker 1: black socks. It's a fashion felony, I know this. And
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  Speaker 1: he's got a T shirt that the school gave him.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy has got on black Nike shorts with white trim
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  Speaker 1: that she wore in her volleyball as her volleyball suit.
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  Speaker 1: She's got the same T shirt. Her hair is parted
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  Speaker 1: in the middle, she has on no socks, and she
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  Speaker 1: has on white tennis shoes. Not a major brand, but
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  Speaker 1: with red and white stripe down the side going vertically.
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  Speaker 1: John David's hair is not parted in any particular way.
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  Speaker 1: I suggested to him in the car that he parted
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  Speaker 1: left to right. That didn't happen. He took it and
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  Speaker 1: combed it straight down, straight down. It's not a good look,
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  Speaker 1: but that's what he does. Okay, I can tell you exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I won't go into it because they may hear this
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  Speaker 1: one day, Bimbares. I even know what underwear they had
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  Speaker 1: on because I laid it out for him last night.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Okay, hers are purple and his are blue.
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  Speaker 1: There I said it, So I'm concerned this mom. Even
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  Speaker 1: I know what Dulcie was wearing. Shed I'm looking away.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at a picture Jackie. Yes, yes, Now,
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  Speaker 1: she had on long black and white checked tights. They
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  Speaker 1: may be a thin cotton or on some kind of nylon.
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  Speaker 1: She had on a short sleeve yellow shirt that came down,
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  Speaker 1: you know, mid thigh, a little higher than mid thigh,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: and it has a white panda or koala bear on
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: the front. And she looks like she has on socks.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: I can't totally tell that, but she has on little heels,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: like little girl heels, and they look to be of
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: a light color, and her hair is partially pulled back.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: That's what I recall without looking. Yeah, okay, that's right.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: And she's precious. And and here's another thing. There's a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: photo of her at crime online dot com wearing this outfit.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Because you keep hearing about an ice cream just before
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: she goes missing, they were at a gas station, a
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Snowco gas station, and that's where they got ice creams
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: hers coconut. Now that concerns me that the mom didn't
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: know those details. Explain Alexis, Well, the mom had to
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: me some very panicked and she couldn't remember it. You're
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: exactly right. She when the police officer asked her that nine.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: When one operator said what was she wearing, she says,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: I don't remember. She can't remember anything. And she is
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: telling her though. She says to the operator, a black
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: man and a Mexican man are the two men that
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: people around here are saying may have taken her. The
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: operator then there, you know, it's a frantic situation, talks
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: over her. They talk over each other, then says it
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: as two black men. Then the story changes to it's
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: one Hispanic man and he has acne scars on his face.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: So it went from two men, no idea, and then this,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: but you know the little boy, her little brother, who's
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: only three years old. When it first happened, he was
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: pointing towards buildings, say, you know, pointing that's where she went.
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: That's where she went. Then the story changes too, she
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: got in the van and went away when they talked
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: to some older people. So there are a lot of
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: conflicting stories on this, but you're right the mom did
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: not know what her little girl was wearing. Cheryl McCollum,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: have you made sense out of the various stories? Me?
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I's the one thing that concerns me is when mom
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: says the little boy's ice cream fell on the floor,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: she repeats the floor. They were there, They were outside,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: It should have been grounds. So this leads me to
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: think was there in situation with the ice cream that
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: fell on the floorboard of the car or the floor
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: inside their house? It sounds like they were inside, not outside.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: That concerns me. Again, everything that comes out of this
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: woman's mouth. I want to believe her, I can't. She's
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: not given me any reason to believe her. You don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: know what she's wearing. You never use her name, you
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: never ask for help, You part far away. Our best
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: witness is a crime three year old and some child
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: that describes somebody that even the police don't believe that
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: she was there. The video of her getting ice cream
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: is the last time we have her own film. Did
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: nobody else at the park took a picture as a video?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Nobody own a camera or you know, a surveillance camera. Hazard,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: They can't verify she was ever in that. John Cardillo
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: from an NYPD sounds like you and Cheryl McCollum in
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: the same boat. Yeah. Absolutely, That's one of my issues
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: as well, Nancy. I'm not sure the child was ever
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: in the park because we live in a surveillance state
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: right now. I mean, I've got ring doorbells on my
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: front door, the front gate. Go one on the front
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: gate to my house. I've gone on the front door
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: to my house behind the gate, and then I've got
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: on my garages in the back of my house. I've
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: got one there as well, And I would say eighty
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: percent of my neighbors have that ring doorbell or another
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: brand of video doorbell. I mean, you really can't go
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: anywhere today without some surveillance camera capturing something. But again,
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: like Cheryl, I see no evidence that the child ever
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: made it to the park. That's my main concern. And
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: what do we really have with the mom's description. Well,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: maybe these people exist, maybe they don't, But we have
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: right now perfectly legal behavior by other individuals. Maybe there
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: was a black and hispanic man walking through the park.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: That's legal behavior. There was a red van park down
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: the street, that's legal behavior. So in and of itself,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: sure the police have to run those leads down. But
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: even the witnesses, and I use that term loosely, aren't
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: alleging even criminal behavior by other people that may have
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: been in the park, just the mere fact that they
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: have to be eliminated because they may or may not
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: have been there. But again, I have suspicions that the
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: kid ever made it to the park itself. To Kassley Murphy,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer, way in Nancy, there's an eight
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: year old that was apparently with this mother, and I
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: have not heard anything about what this eight year old
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: is saying and whether they were actually in the parking lots,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: whether the kids were with them, But it is concerning
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: to me that nothing, absolutely nothing has come from this
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: mother that's been helpful. You are analyzing this in a
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: completely different vein. I'm just wondering, are we attacking the mom?
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: We need to attack somebody, and we don't know which
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: way to go with it or our Cheryl McCollum and
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: John Cardillo are absolutely righten crime stories with Nancy Grace.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Additional video of Dulce alivez released by her mother via
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: a family friend, the playful five year old mugging to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: a cell phone camera, apparently just days before her abduction.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Authorities not releasing any official information today. Earlier this week,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: the FBI had been working on a face to face
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: meeting with Dulce's father, who lives in Mexico. It's not
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: clear if that meetup has taken place. This afternoon, Dulce's
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: maternal grandmother was putting up more missing posters near her
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: home in Bridgeton. Dulce was last seen by her mom
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: at this Bridgeton playground September sixteenth, at this nearby zoo. Today,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: people some with your kids and grandkids, talked about the
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: now days long search. I just think it gets a
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: little more tragic the longer goes. You know, it's just
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: pretty sad. Really, this mother told us she thinks authorities
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: and maybe some of the little girl's own family knows
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: more than it's being said publicly. She says she follows
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: the story via social media every day. I'll keep posted
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: on all the news channels. Everybody that's posting something. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: try to cheap updates. I want to know where she is.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I want to know. I want to know where she
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: is too. You were just hearing ABC six Philadelphia reporter
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: John rawlins everyone fixated on the search for Dulce Alavez,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: a five year old girl who goes missing, apparently from
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: a local park. The Bridgeton part. The reward for information
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: about this little New Jersey girl who vanishes has now
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: climbed to fifty two thousand dollars and a Facebook post
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: in the last hours in New Jersey. State police say
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: it the police who don't make half of what they
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: should make for what they do. They are contributing ten
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: thousand dollars to the reward as the search goes on,
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: and in addition to that from the state police, the
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Philadelphia Lodge Number five Fraternal Order Police more police donating
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Two other donations for a thousand dollars
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: were added to the reward. Now we're learning this from
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: the Bridge to Police department. What happened to Dulcie Police
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: Chief Michael Gamieri Sor says that investigators have gathered a
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: substantial amount of information, but still no Dulce. Now we've
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: also heard that police believe the child is still alive.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Why John Cardillo, former NYPD, why would they say that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they might be approaching this now as a custodio interference case.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: The FBI wants to meet with the dad in Mexico,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: so they might possibly have of it is that members
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: of the paternal family or a member of the paternal
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: family might have just taken the little girls with them.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: And if that's the case, then she's not in danger.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: This might become a criminal slash civil situation. Can write
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: a custody case and it would still be a criminal
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: abduction in most places. But that I mean, let's hope
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: that's the case, because then her safety isn't in question.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Then it just becomes a legal issue. But that's my suspicion.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: With the with being released in limited fashion. Right now,
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: we'll take a listen to what ABC six Philadelphia reporter
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: John Rollins says, well, the investigation continues to grind on here,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and the authorities make it a point that it is
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: still a wide open investigation. Pretty much nothing is off
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: the table at this time. We were told the FBI
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: has spoken by phone with the little girl's father. He
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: lives in Mexico. The hope is at some point soon
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: they will be able to have a face to face
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: talk with him to try to see if he can
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: shed any light on what happened to the little girl.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Authorities say they continue to operate under the premise that
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: the little girls seen here getting ice cream, Dulse Alivez
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: is still alive. They say they will continue to treat
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: her disappearance as a missing person until evidence indicates otherwise.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: For more than a week, a small army of investigators
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: have searched the Bridgeton City Park where Dulce was last seen.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: Others not seen. Are in the process of collecting terabytes
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: of data from cell phone communications, along with video from
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: multiple cameras, including those on school buses and police vehicles.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: The Prosecutor's office said video of a red vehicle recently
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: broadcast had been investigated and determined not involved in the abduction.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at news alerts as late as
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: just yesterday and they're still talking about the red van
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: and describing the Hispanic mail with black hair and acne scars.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I just it's so much information as being disseminated. Alexis
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: terres check. How we now learn they've ruled out the
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: red minivan or is it still a possibility. While the
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: investigators have said that they found a they researched it,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: they investigated it, and there's this one band that was
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: ruled out, but that is still out there. And what
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: they said from the very beginning was that what the
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: authorities said it was a tender age person. So it's
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: obviously the little boy, the little brother who's just three
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: years old, and you know, a three year old red
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: blue green. They know their colors, but under questioning, they
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: might not be able to get it said correctly. So
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: this was something that I think that they were very
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: hesitant to say from the very beginning. There's never been
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: a license played or anything identified with that, so they
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: have pretty much ruled this out. I know they looked
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: at over five hundred reddish tinted vehicles. Cheryl McCollum nathy.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: They've checked every red vehicle, not just vans. They have
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: searched by foot, by boats, they used infrared technology on
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: a helicopter. They've used dive teams, but sonar canines they
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: brought in the FBI. They have done everything possible to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: find this child. And again this point for me and
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this investigation, Mama needs to take a polygraph. Okay to you,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. The dad is in Mexico,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: all right, and police are not going down there. That
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: tells me they don't believe the dad's involved. He's not involved.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have him on like a bust the
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: video phone, and they know he's in Mexico, and I
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: can guarantee he's probably not got connections to be able
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: to transport this child. Take a listen to ABC Action.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: He's reporter Maggie Kent. Now, state and local police are
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: joined by the FBI Child Abduction Division. As the search continues,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: so does a criminal investigation. If the child wandered away,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: time is of the essence. Obviously, If there's something foul
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: play amiss, time is also of the essence. The professional
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: search crews are utilizing every tool available in the air,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: on the ground, and underwater, and strangers are stepping into help.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I thought I'd come down and just walk and look
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: and see what I could do. But I could see
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: this as a difficult search. I'm very concerned about this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: little girl, and I pray to God that she's found shortly.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: We just got an update from police lesson in an
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: hour ago, who say they have to use canines to
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: search with this little girl's mother's car, which is still
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: parked in this parking lot right near the playground where
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: she went missing. They've also searched the family home. The family,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: they say, has been more than cooperative. Although the FBI
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Child Abduction Unit is here, there are no clues to
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: indicate that Dulce was abducted. Did you hear that? Did
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: you hear that? John Cardillo from her NYPD no clues
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to suggest she was abducted. What about what all the
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: witnesses are saying, Well, you only don't have any credible witnesses,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: right I man, we've been saying, And you've got little kids,
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: You've got the mom who is suspected as diagramming with
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Cheryl has said mom needs to take a polygraph, but
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: I would look at dad's family. Let's face it, howeverus
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: lies it. This is not the most attentive nurturing mother. Okay,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: I think we've established that. No matter how this cake
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: shakes out. I mean, you're ninety yards it was the
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: thirty yards away. I don't let my dog get thirty
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: yards away if I walk them off Policiana Park. You
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: don't let your little adorable five year old get ninety
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: feet away. I mean, that's just ridiculous. And so maybe
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the dad's family, there might be an aunt, there might
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: be a grandmother, there might be an uncle who saw
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: signs of neglect. Now we don't know that. But my
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: point is we have no evidence in this case. There's nothing,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: no evidence of abduction, not a bow and her hair
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: left on the ground, nothing. So the police are definitely
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: definitely looking at the mom. But at the same time,
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: they know the dad was in Mexico. Sure we can
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: rule him out, but now they're looking at this he
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: a family here was we're Child and Family Services ever
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: called to this home. That's gonna be a big indicator
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: if we get that data point we find out that
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: they were. I could have been a family friend, it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: could have been anybody for any reason. But I do,
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: just in my gut, I do feel the police are
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: on the right track when they say they feel she's
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: still alive. I do as well. Karen Stark psychologists joining
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. You can find her at Karen
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Stark dot com. Karen, why do you believe people are
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: attacking the mom? It's because we don't know where else
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: to turn. Well, that may be part of it, Nancy,
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: but there's also the fact that it took so long
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: to get in touch with the authorities. I mean, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: think that the story which you've told about John David
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: is very indicative of what a parent would do. I
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: can't imagine a mom having this child disappear she didn't
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: remember what she was wearing, but not getting in touch
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: with the police immediately when her child isn't there, calling
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: her brother. That does not ring true to me. I
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: don't understand it. Well, it's ters Radar online dot com
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: Investigate reporter. What more do you know? I want to
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: tell y'all that the other day I was at a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: corn maize. We have huge pumpkin hatches out here in California,
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and my little boy, who's five and his best friend, Mackenzie.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: They ran into the corn maize together. The other mom
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: and I followed. We could not find them. We were
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: calling their names, calling, calling, calling, We went deeper into
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the corn maize. The other mom said, I'm going to
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: turn around and I'm going to go to the front.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: She went back to the front. They were both there crying.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: We had myself, that was probably a good fifteen minutes
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: that we were searching for them inside the corn mais
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: thinking they were there, and they were outside, and there
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: were police crawling all over this place. So the kids
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: would have been fine, but it was a little while before,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you know, And if we hadn't found them, we then
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: would have called. But I don't think this is such
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: a long time for this mom to not have called
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the police. You search, you call your family, you say,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I can't find her. I could be
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: wrong on this. I know we all have good instincts,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: but I do not see this as the mom having
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: done this. And I will take responsibility if I'm wrong.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: But I think this is somebody who was searching, searching, searching.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Called her brother. He hardly said called the police. She
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: called the police, and she is in a panic, looking
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: for her little daughter. We wait as the search goes
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: on for a five year old Dulcie Maria Alavaz. Tipline
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: eight five six four five one zero zero three three
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: eight five six four five one zero zero three three
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: eight hundred call FBI. Nancy Grace crib Story, signing off
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend