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Sharri | 13 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Evening massive show tonight, the Prime Minister prepares to celebrate
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Speaker 1: surpassing Paul Keating's time as Prime minister. But I'll take
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Speaker 1: a look at how their records compare. I mean, Paul
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Speaker 1: Keating gave the Redfern address, alber Easy spoke about shagging
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Speaker 1: Kylie Minogue. Plus I'll reveal just how many child sex
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Speaker 1: offenders and criminals have been allowed to stay in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Despite not being citizens.
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Speaker 1: That exclusive story with Jonathan Dunham soon and Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 1: accuses Chris Kenny of a gotcha question after she fails
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Speaker 1: to name world leaders.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan?
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Speaker 2: She's I can't say, I.
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Speaker 3: Can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'll ask Matt Canavan if he thinks that
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Speaker 1: question is fair. And In serious news, schoolboys in an
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Speaker 1: elite Sydney private school have been charged with the rape
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Speaker 1: of a teenage girl.
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Speaker 2: Those details coming up.
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Speaker 1: But first, Anthony Albanesi surpasses Paul Keating tomorrow in the
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Speaker 1: number of days served as Prime minister. That's one thousand,
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Speaker 1: five hundred.
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Speaker 2: And forty four long days.
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Speaker 1: In fact, only three Labor prime ministers have served longer.
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Speaker 1: Andrew Fisher who led for four years and ten months,
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Speaker 1: Bob Hawk, who was PM for eight years and nine months,
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Speaker 1: and Ben Schiffley who served for four years and five months.
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Speaker 1: So tomorrow Albanezi becomes the fourth longest serving Labor PM
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Speaker 1: and this will no doubt be a cause for celebration
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Speaker 1: in Albanese's mind. At least as far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 1: there's not much for Australia to celebrate. An Albanese's record
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Speaker 1: hardly holds up against keatings. Keating's reforms transformed our nation
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Speaker 1: for the better. He introduced compulsory superannuation, requiring employers to
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Speaker 1: contribute to their employees' retirement savings. He oversaw the Native
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Speaker 1: Title Act of nineteen ninety three after the High Court's
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Speaker 1: Marbo decision. Along with Hawk, Keating floated the Australian dollar
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Speaker 1: and was responsible for financial deregulation, tariff reductions, and opened
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Speaker 1: Australia to international capital and competition. He also forged deeper
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Speaker 1: ties with Asia and elevated APEX into a leader's level forum.
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Speaker 1: But Paul Keating's impact went far beyond economic reform. He
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Speaker 1: demonstrated genuine moral leadership. For example, famously in his nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety two, Red Fern speech on Indigenous reconciliation.
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Speaker 4: The problem starts with us, the non Aboriginal Australians. It begins,
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Speaker 4: I think with an act of recognition, recognition that it
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Speaker 4: was we who did the dispossessing.
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Speaker 1: It's the sort of speech we need about anti semitism today.
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Speaker 1: Then there was his eulogy of the Unknown Australian Soldier
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Speaker 1: on eleventh of November ninety three.
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Speaker 5: We do not know this Australian's name, and we never will.
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Speaker 5: We do not know his rank or his battalion. We
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Speaker 5: do not know where he was born, or precisely how
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Speaker 5: and when he died.
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Speaker 1: There was also his True Believer's Election night victory speech
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Speaker 1: in March ninety three. And then there was his wit,
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Speaker 1: his brutal cutting lines in Parliament like this.
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Speaker 4: He couldn't sustain the spaces. It was like being flogged
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Speaker 4: with a warm letters, a blog with a warm letters.
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Speaker 3: Why won't you call an early election? Because I won slowly?
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Speaker 3: I want to.
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Speaker 4: Mean, I mean, he's going, mister speaker, mister speaker, he's
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Speaker 4: going trop oil, going chop o.
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Speaker 6: He's more to be pity than despised.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they were about John Houston, but he was equally
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Speaker 1: devastating about his other rivals.
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Speaker 7: Brian Berg saw Kevin Rudd coming and he played him
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Speaker 7: like a piano.
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Speaker 8: For Old Costello.
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Speaker 3: He's all tip and.
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Speaker 8: No Iceberg give give.
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Speaker 1: And of course Keating famously called the unruly senate unrepresentative
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Speaker 1: swill Well. Alberize's record hardly compares with the great Keating.
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Speaker 1: You can barely out of their names in the same breath.
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Speaker 1: Where Keating was a brilliant visionary with devastating wit, Albanizi
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Speaker 1: is beije and managerial, utterly lacking in intellect, and a
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Speaker 1: bit of a plot. For Albanzi, the list runs a
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Speaker 1: mile long for all the things we should not be
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Speaker 1: celebrating about his record, So let's look at what he'll
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Speaker 1: actually be remembered for. Devastating the economy with fifteen interest
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Speaker 1: rate rises, terrible inflation, and a cost of living crisis, all.
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Speaker 2: On his watch.
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Speaker 1: He failed with his ill thought out voice referendum, setting
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Speaker 1: back the Indigenous community for decades, tax hikes that we
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Speaker 1: never voted for that have caused a housing market crunch,
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Speaker 1: rampant anti business policies driving entrepreneurs offshore, soaring immigration levels
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Speaker 1: that have led to the rise of one nation, the
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Speaker 1: collapse of social cohesion, including the anti Semitism crisis, and
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Speaker 1: of course, the worst terror attack in Australia's history happened
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Speaker 1: under Albanese's watch after his failure of leadership in the
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Speaker 1: two years before that.
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Speaker 2: And while as I just showed.
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Speaker 1: You, Keating gave some of history's greatest orations from alban
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Speaker 1: Easy we get remarks like this.
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Speaker 9: The Bonkan light rabbits.
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, when we have time after the footy,
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Speaker 7: after the forty, it's always a good aphrodisiac at souse win.
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Speaker 1: He'll also be remembered for his broken promises, from power
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Speaker 1: prices to the tax.
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Speaker 7: Changes, reducing power prices by two hundred and seventy five dollars.
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Speaker 7: Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and
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Speaker 7: capital gains tests? How hard is it for the fiftieth
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Speaker 7: time we have changed our position.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are plenty more broken promises. Then there
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Speaker 1: are the lies from the minor, like I didn't fall
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Speaker 1: off the stage, to the major, like dismissing the return
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Speaker 1: of Isis Brides as a false story.
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Speaker 10: Stepped off the stage.
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Speaker 7: I didn't fall over on my backside. I commit here
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Speaker 7: that every single year. As that I have the great
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Speaker 7: honor to be Australia as Prime Minister, I will be here.
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Speaker 7: You know what, Hamish, I haven't had a day off
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Speaker 7: all year.
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Speaker 11: What actions has your government taken to guarantee the safety
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Speaker 11: of Australians if these people return?
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Speaker 3: Those reports are not accurate.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so alban Ezy will likely celebrate his so called
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Speaker 1: achievement of surpassing Keating's time as Prime Minister with a
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Speaker 1: string of media appearances.
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Speaker 2: And accolades from France.
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Speaker 1: But we have to think back to what Keating once said.
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Speaker 1: He said, leadership, after all, is about two things, imagination
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Speaker 1: and courage, and we all know too well that our
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Speaker 1: current Prime minister possesses neither. We've gone from a true
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Speaker 1: believer to a true achiever and our nation is the
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Speaker 1: worse for it. We now for some shocking news. Three
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Speaker 1: boys have been charged over the alleged sexual assault of
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Speaker 1: a girl in Sydney's Eastern suburbs. One thirteen year old
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Speaker 1: and two fourteen year olds who attend the prestigious Scots
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Speaker 1: College allegedly sexually assaulted a fourteen year old girl in
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Speaker 1: an alleyway on July twenty second. Police executed search warrants
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Speaker 1: at the three teenagers' homes, and all were arrested today
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Speaker 1: and granted bail. The school has so far declined to
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Speaker 1: say whether it will suspend the three students, but it
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Speaker 1: told The Herald that the alleged attack occurred outside school hours,
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Speaker 1: and the school's principal, doctor Ian Lambert, said, I recognize
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Speaker 1: that news of this nature may cause concern within our
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Speaker 1: community and appreciate that parents may have questions. If there's
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Speaker 1: further information appropriate for the college to share, we will
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Speaker 1: do so. It's an awful story, and of course we'll
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Speaker 1: keep you across's developments as they come. Now, Pauline Hansen
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Speaker 1: has accused my friend and colleague Chris Kenny of a
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Speaker 1: gotcha question.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 1: Chris interviewed Pauline for his upcoming documentary The Fight for
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Speaker 1: the Right, and in a discussion about foreign policy, he
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Speaker 1: asked if she knew the names of several world leaders.
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Speaker 13: If you were prime minister, you'd have to get involved
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Speaker 13: in a lot of foreign policy. All prime ministers do.
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Speaker 13: You'd have to engage with our region. How would you
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Speaker 13: go engaging with Southeast Asia in particular?
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Speaker 3: Oh, no problem. So if you became prime minister.
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Speaker 13: Wouldn't you want to visit Jakata fairly quickly and meet
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Speaker 13: with the president there.
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Speaker 5: I don't have it.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd.
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Speaker 13: Say one of in Indonesia one of our most important partners.
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Speaker 1: It is one of our most important partners, Chris and I.
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Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with that. Do you know
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Speaker 3: who the president is?
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Speaker 6: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't know his name.
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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name.
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Speaker 13: You can't remember the name of the President of Indonesia Indonesia, No,
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Speaker 13: I can't.
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Speaker 3: What about the Prime Minister of Japan, she's.
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Speaker 2: I can't say.
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Speaker 3: I can't remember her name either.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, you could tell us who the president of China
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Speaker 13: is shipping. That's one out of three. This will be
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Speaker 13: a big learning curve for you, wouldn't they?
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Speaker 1: Well, look, I know her name.
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Speaker 2: Do I a member of Japanese name?
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Speaker 14: No?
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Speaker 1: I don't.
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Speaker 2: I'm in a position. I'm not Prime Minister, am I?
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Speaker 1: So that's from Chris's documentary Amazing interview. Well, then last
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Speaker 1: night Pauline went on Chris's show and accused him of
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Speaker 1: asking her a gotcha question, but then she admitted that
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Speaker 1: she still didn't know who the President of Indonesia is. Chris,
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Speaker 1: and I'll tell the people now. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: you're going to put it in the interview, but you
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Speaker 1: attempted to get me on a gotcha moment.
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Speaker 13: There was plenty in that interview, and there'll be plenty
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Speaker 13: in the documentary, and there's certainly wasn't much there that
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Speaker 13: could be called gotcha.
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Speaker 10: But given you mentioned those questions.
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Speaker 6: Have you brushed up? Have you found out who the.
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Speaker 3: President of Indonesia is?
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Speaker 15: No?
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Speaker 1: I haven't, Chris, Oh dear, why do I need to?
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Speaker 2: Oh dear? Not ideal?
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Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss as Nationals leader Matt Canavan, Matt,
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Speaker 1: great to see you again. Well, look, Pauline Hansen wants
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Speaker 1: to be Prime minister. That's how she's positioning herself. So
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Speaker 1: do you think this line of questioning is legitimate or
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Speaker 1: do you agree with her that it's a gotcha question?
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Speaker 16: Look, Shari, I think any question is legitimate to an
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Speaker 16: electoral representative. I don't think it's the biggest deal in
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Speaker 16: the world, but no doubt. I think what I'm much
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Speaker 16: more interested is to know is what would paul In Hansen, Sir,
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Speaker 16: my nation's policy be towards countries in our region rather
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Speaker 16: than the answers to pop quizzes, so much more important
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Speaker 16: to know how you'd approach the world in our relationships.
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Speaker 16: One criticism I have is that our nation's discussion narrative
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Speaker 16: down here in Canberra, we rarely ever hear anything about Indonesia,
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Speaker 16: rarely ever hear anything indeed about the region we actually exist.
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Speaker 16: And we hear a lot about US politics, a lot
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Speaker 16: about European politics. But the most probably important country next
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Speaker 16: to us, It is our closest neighbor. I think in
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Speaker 16: some areas it's close between it and pub New Guinea.
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Speaker 16: We don't hear much about it, and it's the fourth
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Speaker 16: most populous country in the world. They're stealing our industry
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Speaker 16: right now. I speak about Indonesia all the time, but
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Speaker 16: it just really frustrates me that not many people take
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Speaker 16: it up.
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Speaker 6: They're stealing our nickel industry.
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Speaker 16: That stole our nickel industry because they're building cold fired
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Speaker 16: powerstations and we are not. They're on track to take
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Speaker 16: over our mini industry. The two and a half billion
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Speaker 16: bailout we gave to Tomago today, a big part of
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Speaker 16: that is because countries like Indonesia are aggressively expanding into
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Speaker 16: eliminium markets. They're not held back by the insane idea
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Speaker 16: of net zero. They just get on with it and
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Speaker 16: deliver cheap power to heavy industry. And they're stealing our
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Speaker 16: lunch because of it. Maybe we should pay a bit
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Speaker 16: more attention and to the design to prevail our subianto.
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Speaker 6: He said this, he said this, when.
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Speaker 1: He got there, you go, there, you go.
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Speaker 6: You just helped out, just helped.
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Speaker 1: Out, said the name of the intonesiastries.
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Speaker 6: We should listen a bit more to him.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, indeed, speaking of one Nation, there were some ugly
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Speaker 1: scenes at the anti one Nation student protests around Australia today.
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Speaker 1: This is right across the country now. Thousands of teenagers,
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Speaker 1: university students walked out of school only to herl abuse
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Speaker 1: at Pauline Hansen. One moment got very ugly when protesters
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Speaker 1: took the microphone from our News twenty four reporter Georgie Dickison.
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Speaker 10: Less sentiment to where Caser is in?
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Speaker 1: All right, and so while we're talking now, Matt, we're
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Speaker 1: going to show you this incredible new footage. We might
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Speaker 1: bring it up now as on the screen. It's a
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Speaker 1: amazing new footage. AVI Yemeny's team took this. You can
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Speaker 1: see Georgie Dickerson running down the street chasing the attacker.
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Speaker 1: If we can play that again. She's in the black coat.
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Speaker 1: The man who stole not attacker, but the man who
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Speaker 1: took her microphone is in the blue hood. She runs
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Speaker 1: down and chases him and then she kind of grabs
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Speaker 1: him from the behind to stop him continuing.
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Speaker 2: It's amazing, amazing footage.
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Speaker 1: Then what you're looking at now, those big men, that's
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Speaker 1: av Yemeny's security team. He needs six security and they
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Speaker 1: step in and they actually retrieve the microphone for her.
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Speaker 1: If maybe, if we can just play the beginning bit
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Speaker 1: of that again, because it's just incredible how she Yeah,
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Speaker 1: look at her running down the street.
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Speaker 2: Amazing.
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Speaker 1: I'm in awe of how she how she acted, and
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Speaker 1: then she kind of grabs him from behind. Look at that, Matt, Matt,
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Speaker 1: this is this is amazing courage from her.
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Speaker 16: You took the words out of my mouth, Charry. She
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Speaker 16: deserves an award of some kind. That's an amazing piece
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Speaker 16: of journalism. And there you say bravery and good on her.
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Speaker 16: I think all of these students deserve to be detention.
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Speaker 6: Or ground that.
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Speaker 16: I don't know what the punishment is in schools these days.
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Speaker 16: That should happen. You just should turn up a school.
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Speaker 16: If you don't, you should pay some punishment. And that
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Speaker 16: particular individual, well, something should be elevated more higher than that.
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Speaker 16: You can't go around stealing people's stuff on the street
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Speaker 16: and there should be action.
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Speaker 6: The reason we've had I think.
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Speaker 16: An unfortunate outbreak of hate, of violent speech and ultimately
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Speaker 16: culminating in very violent conduct BONDI there tragically is because
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Speaker 16: we haven't enforced the laws we have at a small scale.
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Speaker 16: We let small things go through to the keeper and
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Speaker 16: that builds up into much much bigger things. So there
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Speaker 16: should be a response here for that kind of conduct.
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Speaker 16: The school should respond to their own students and show
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Speaker 16: some discipline there. And that individual, as I say, deserves
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Speaker 16: tougher sanctions.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And the issue is that probably a lot of the
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Speaker 1: teachers would be encouraging the students to leave school and
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Speaker 1: go to the protest. I mean, there's so many activist
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Speaker 1: teachers around, which is part.
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Speaker 2: Of the issue.
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Speaker 1: Matt. I've been really keen all day to hear your
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Speaker 1: thoughts and this announcement by Albanisi and Chris Men's the
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Speaker 1: New Southerwist Premier earlier. Today, tax payers are set to
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Speaker 1: pay two and a half billion dollars over the next
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Speaker 1: decade to bail out Australia's largest aluminium smelter. So I mean,
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Speaker 1: this does employ one thousand people. I mean, but the
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Speaker 1: issue is these endless subsidies.
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Speaker 2: What do you think.
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Speaker 6: Well, look, we need to save these jobs.
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Speaker 16: I don't want to see them go, but we cannot
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Speaker 16: cannot have a long term healthy industry based on life support.
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Speaker 16: The government's agenda, it's energy agenda, it's net zero agenda,
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Speaker 16: has led to a situation we are once proud factories
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Speaker 16: and smelters having to survive a check to government, check
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Speaker 16: to government check on life support just to stay alive.
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Speaker 16: This deal today cost two and a half billion dollars
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Speaker 16: going to Rio Tinto. It follows another deal at the
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Speaker 16: Glads and smelt a few months ago of two billion dollars.
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Speaker 16: So four and a half billion dollars of your money
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Speaker 16: going to one of the biggest companies in the world,
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Speaker 16: Rio Tinto. All up, the government has given seven points
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Speaker 16: seven billion dollars to other smelters and factories as well
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Speaker 16: of your money to prop up its failing net zero agenda.
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Speaker 16: So the net zero agenda is now costing us at
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Speaker 16: least two ways. We are paying through the roof with
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Speaker 16: our power bills. They're going up, and now we're having
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Speaker 16: to pay high taxes to keep manufacturing jobs here which
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Speaker 16: used to survive when they just use cold fired power.
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Speaker 16: These smelters have always been powered and fueled with cold
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Speaker 16: fired power. To make one more point, Sharry, give in mind,
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Speaker 16: this money is going to build wind, solar and batteries
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Speaker 16: so that Rio can say they're using green power. Do
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Speaker 16: you know there's nothing stopping Rio tinto using col fired
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Speaker 16: power to fill up the battery. Then go and use
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Speaker 16: that power from the battery and turn around and say
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Speaker 16: we're using green power, aren't goody, good boystrial energy washing
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Speaker 16: on a large scale.
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Speaker 1: Matt Canavan, always love having you on the show, Thank
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Speaker 1: you so much. Or Angus Taylor's media director, Caine Silom
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Speaker 1: has been caught on camera snapping at a Channel ten
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Speaker 1: reporter who asked about the YEKAC inquiry.
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Speaker 14: Are exact, Seriously, that's a freaking straight well ask me
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Speaker 14: questions about I can get and he's answered them.
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Speaker 1: But it's not only Angus Taylor's media team that's been
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Speaker 1: pretty touchy with the media. Pauline Hanson has banned several
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Speaker 1: media outlets from her press conferences and she won't engage
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Speaker 1: with some journalists at all.
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Speaker 2: To discuss this.
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Speaker 1: Is my panel former Labor State Secretary Camer Milner and
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Speaker 1: former New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott. Great to
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Speaker 1: see you both that Cameron's starting with you. Do you
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Speaker 1: think both Angus Taylor and Pauline Hanson are just being
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Speaker 1: too sensitive to questions or criticism?
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Speaker 8: Well, there're being a bit precious, aren't they mean?
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Speaker 17: Look, Pauline should let Guardian readers actually have to listen
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Speaker 17: to Pauline Hanson. I think that would be a gift
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Speaker 17: from Pauline to the Guardian viewers and readers. But to
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Speaker 17: Taylor's stuff, what a glass jaw, What a glass jaw?
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Speaker 17: I mean, David, you know you've been the victim of
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Speaker 17: shit sheets, disgusting shit sheets in New South Wales politics
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Speaker 17: and it should be fully investigated by IKAK because if
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Speaker 17: there were factual warriors using you know, developer money from
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Speaker 17: a Libertese guy who's actually on the run, or from
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Speaker 17: Dominic Perrete's brother who's still in the field in Fiji
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Speaker 17: because of the authorities can't get to him. Then it's
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Speaker 17: a dirty, dirty secret. And Mcinernie Dallas mcinnie has given
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Speaker 17: evidence to say that Angus Taylor had lunch with him,
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Speaker 17: he says, give it evidence to say that he that
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Speaker 17: Angus Taylor promised him money fifteen thousand dollars and three
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Speaker 17: thousand dollars a month. So so let's follow the money,
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Speaker 17: let's follow the trail, and let's have the questions asked.
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Speaker 17: If Angus Taylor has nothing to hide and he has
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Speaker 17: nothing to fear, he should actually be upfront with the
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Speaker 17: Australian people and not have his press secretary, you know,
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Speaker 17: Demean Journo doing the job and asking the right questions.
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Speaker 1: Well, Angus Taylor has denied the allegations. He's denied that
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Speaker 1: any payments were made, and we haven't seen any evidence
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Speaker 1: to the contrary. So if the inquiry finishes and there
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Speaker 1: is no evidence of the country, then once again it'll
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Speaker 1: be IKAK smearing good reputations, as it has done so
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Speaker 1: many times before.
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Speaker 2: But you know, David, to.
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Speaker 1: The point of, you know, the sensitivity around the media,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm trying to remember, I don't think we've
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Speaker 1: had any run ins, but you must have lost it
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Speaker 1: at reporters over the years when they're asking questions.
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Speaker 9: I have, and I'm still apologizing to Alex Smith at
20:35
Speaker 9: the City Morning Herald, but most of those done off
20:39
Speaker 9: off camera, off camera, and certainly never live. I mean,
20:43
Speaker 9: I probably did have a short answer to a few people,
20:45
Speaker 9: but that just does go to show how much pressure
20:49
Speaker 9: Angus Taylor is under. And I think that's very sad,
20:53
Speaker 9: and I think it's unprofessional and it will look bad
20:56
Speaker 9: to the coalition because when you start behaving like that
21:00
Speaker 9: makes people think, rightly or wrongly, that you are trying
21:03
Speaker 9: to you are trying to hide something.
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Speaker 2: Are you being pretty sensitive about it? Yeah?
21:07
Speaker 1: Well, I spoke earlier in the show about how the
21:09
Speaker 1: Prime Minister will tomorrow become the fourth longest serving prime
21:13
Speaker 1: minister in history, Cameron surpassing Keating's record, or Cameron would
21:18
Speaker 1: love as a labor guy, as a senior labor guy,
21:22
Speaker 1: to hear what you think about how their records compare.
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Speaker 14: Well.
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Speaker 17: I love your compare the pair at the start of
21:29
Speaker 17: the program. But the one that I thought was one
21:30
Speaker 17: that we could add to the list was that Paul
21:32
Speaker 17: Keating warned about Australia becoming a Banana republic, and Albow
21:36
Speaker 17: is delivering us into being a banana republic. I mean
21:38
Speaker 17: a trillion dollars weather dead, no productivity, massive taxes and
21:42
Speaker 17: massive spending.
21:43
Speaker 12: I mean Keating was genuinely.
21:44
Speaker 17: Worried about about Nada republic, and Albow on his watch
21:47
Speaker 17: is delivering us one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, good point. It's true, David. Their records couldn't be
21:52
Speaker 1: more different.
21:52
Speaker 12: No, they couldn't. But you were very generous.
21:54
Speaker 9: I mean, I grew up in a working class family
21:55
Speaker 9: in Western Sydney and Paul Keating was our local member
21:58
Speaker 9: during the time that we had a recession we had
22:01
Speaker 9: to have, So.
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Speaker 12: I'm yes, he did some good things.
22:03
Speaker 9: He had Often people have said he's the best liberal
22:05
Speaker 9: treasurer we've ever had, certainly up until certainly happened Toil Pedicostello.
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Speaker 12: But I mean, I think you're right.
22:12
Speaker 9: I mean, if you, if you objectively look at the two,
22:15
Speaker 9: Keating could at least hold his head. It didn't in
22:18
Speaker 9: the world on the world stage, held high. But I
22:21
Speaker 9: don't think you can say the same about Albernezi.
22:24
Speaker 1: Especially not after this melon saga. What about Melling Gate.
22:28
Speaker 14: I know it.
22:28
Speaker 2: I'm genuinely.
22:29
Speaker 1: As I said it last time, I'm so sick of
22:31
Speaker 1: talking about the Mellons.
22:33
Speaker 2: But Cameron, I'm.
22:35
Speaker 1: Kid keen to hear your thoughts on new Southwist. Premier
22:38
Speaker 1: Chris means having to step in and save the PM
22:41
Speaker 1: from having to answer questions, we might actually have a
22:44
Speaker 1: look at that here it is.
22:47
Speaker 7: I've talked here today, I've talked here today, just mant look,
22:54
Speaker 7: I've answered this question many times. The fact is, well,
22:58
Speaker 7: the fact is the fact is that the Japanese Prime
23:04
Speaker 7: Minister and I have a very good relationship the Japanese.
23:09
Speaker 7: The Japanese ambassador's made very clear statements indeed about how
23:13
Speaker 7: warm our dinner was, and it was indeed it was fent.
23:19
Speaker 3: Go and ask a thousand workers what they care about today.
23:21
Speaker 3: Witness this is the biggest.
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Speaker 12: Announcement to this region in a generation.
23:25
Speaker 3: Can we just talk about it for five.
23:27
Speaker 2: Minutes, right, Cameron? How badly has Albanez he handled this?
23:33
Speaker 12: It's terrible, It's terrible.
23:35
Speaker 17: Yesterday we had a conger light of labor women being
23:37
Speaker 17: Albo's angels, and today we had the news with iles
23:39
Speaker 17: premier having.
23:40
Speaker 12: A land on the grenade.
23:41
Speaker 17: I mean, why can't the bloke just say sorry, I
23:43
Speaker 17: mean sorry for being a dirty old man cracking a
23:45
Speaker 17: really bad joke while trying to flirt with a podcaster.
23:48
Speaker 17: That's what that's what we all saw. I mean, that's
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Speaker 17: what he should apologize for. It was beneath the role
23:53
Speaker 17: of Prime minister. The longer this goes, the more damage
23:55
Speaker 17: he does. And today we had a big announcement saving
23:58
Speaker 17: a thousand jobs with taxpayers money, and it's all about Albow again.
24:02
Speaker 17: Wasn't another another albow stuff up rather than a real
24:04
Speaker 17: announcement and that's the real cost.
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Speaker 1: By the way, that comedian Nikki Osborne, she's now gone
24:10
Speaker 1: on Mark Borris's podcast and said that she got the
24:15
Speaker 1: interview with Albo because she DMed the PM.
24:18
Speaker 2: That's what she said, DM.
24:20
Speaker 1: The PM, David look, should he just apologize.
24:24
Speaker 2: Now and move on?
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Speaker 9: Well, I think you should have been the fact that
24:27
Speaker 9: I mean, Chris Mins tried to step in and look
24:30
Speaker 9: statesman like today. But ALLSI did is make Albo looked
24:32
Speaker 9: like a dribbler. And that's that's I mean.
24:35
Speaker 2: And he was dribbling on.
24:38
Speaker 12: Tinues to dribble over this.
24:40
Speaker 9: But what I mean, Peter Beatty proved that if you
24:43
Speaker 9: if you want to shut down a story, take it
24:45
Speaker 9: one for the team. Just just own it and all
24:49
Speaker 9: the mistakes that I made, you just own it and
24:51
Speaker 9: walk on.
24:52
Speaker 12: And that's what That's all the Prime inters they had
24:54
Speaker 12: to do. But today, if you wanted to see the tail.
24:56
Speaker 9: Between two leaders, you saw Chris Mins in look statesmen
25:01
Speaker 9: like and then but he also at the same time
25:05
Speaker 9: showed the Prime Minister to be just you know, give
25:08
Speaker 9: a bex a headache.
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Speaker 1: Now, one thing that Chris Mens does well is he
25:12
Speaker 1: very easily admits when he's made a mistake.
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Speaker 2: And I think the public love him for that.
25:17
Speaker 12: They do and that and that's that.
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Speaker 9: That is a character fault of the Prime Minister and
25:22
Speaker 9: a character strength of the Prime the premieer of New
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Speaker 9: South Walest.
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Speaker 1: You can probably all learn from Men's, you know, about
25:27
Speaker 1: apologizing quickly, I'm wrong, I'm wrong and then what can
25:30
Speaker 1: people say?
25:31
Speaker 2: Yes, can get on with it?
25:32
Speaker 12: Works at hard.
25:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, good to know, David, David Elliott cameraman are great
25:37
Speaker 1: to see you both.
25:39
Speaker 15: Well.
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Speaker 1: Let's turn out to our exclusive story tonight. Let's look
25:41
Speaker 1: at just how many non citizens are being allowed to
25:45
Speaker 1: stay in Australia despite serious criminal convictions and we can
25:50
Speaker 1: exclusively reveal that there's four hundred and seventy five non
25:54
Speaker 1: citizens with criminal convictions here in Australia at the moment.
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Speaker 2: And what's worse, that number include.
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Speaker 1: Sixteen people who've been convicted of a child's sex offense.
26:05
Speaker 2: Now this four hundred and seventy five.
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Speaker 1: They've had their visas counseled, but the Administrative Review Tribunal
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Speaker 1: then overturned these cancelations and shockingly, the Tribunal admitted that
26:17
Speaker 1: there may be other decisions where the Tribunal has set
26:20
Speaker 1: aside visa cancelations of non citizens, but the required level
26:25
Speaker 1: of detail is not captured by their management systems. So
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Speaker 1: pretty serious issue. Criminals convicted of a crime, not Australian citizens,
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Speaker 1: but allowed to remain in the country. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: is Shadow of Home Affairs Minister Jonathan Dunniam who grilled
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Speaker 1: government officials on this. These are the answers that they
26:44
Speaker 1: took on notice. J I mean, why has the tribunal
26:48
Speaker 1: made these decisions?
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Speaker 10: Well, there is no good answer for this.
26:53
Speaker 18: I mean, the reality is, if anyone actually has a
26:56
Speaker 18: beating heart, if they're a parent, if they're a sibling,
26:59
Speaker 18: if they actually care about the security of our country.
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Speaker 18: They would think this is the impossible decision to make
27:05
Speaker 18: to release someone into the community or not revoke their
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Speaker 18: visa cancelation because of a serious conviction, including as you
27:13
Speaker 18: said before, people have committed child sexual offenses. It just
27:17
Speaker 18: makes no sense. There is no world in which this
27:19
Speaker 18: is good. But I expect the problem lies in technicalities
27:24
Speaker 18: at law. We've had lawyers being able to make technical
27:27
Speaker 18: arguments and members of the art have found that they
27:31
Speaker 18: need to make a decision accordingly. This is where a
27:34
Speaker 18: government should step in, and this is where a government
27:37
Speaker 18: should say our laws are deficient and we need to
27:39
Speaker 18: give guidance to members of the Administrative Review Tribunal and
27:43
Speaker 18: say this is the kind of stuff you should not
27:45
Speaker 18: be doing, or indeed work with the opposition, the coalition
27:49
Speaker 18: or willing to strengthen these laws to stop these people
27:52
Speaker 18: from having their visas canceled. You don't belong here, You're
27:55
Speaker 18: not the kind of people we want here and the
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Speaker 18: government should be working to remove them from our country.
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Speaker 2: It's such a.
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Speaker 1: Gift to live in Australia, to live in our country,
28:03
Speaker 1: and to think there's nearly five hundred people who are
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Speaker 1: convicted criminals and including sixteen with convicted of child sex offenses.
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Speaker 1: I mean the issue must be with this tribunal. No,
28:15
Speaker 1: I mean, is the government powerless to act against its decisions?
28:19
Speaker 10: Now they're not. This is the thing. The government is
28:22
Speaker 10: not powerless to act.
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Speaker 18: And there are things called ministerial directions that provide members
28:28
Speaker 18: of the Administrative Review Tribunal some guidance on how to
28:32
Speaker 18: make decisions. And so this is where a minister can
28:37
Speaker 18: say to the tribunal, if someone has these sorts of
28:41
Speaker 18: criminal records, if they've committed this kind of offense, then
28:46
Speaker 18: you must revoke their visa.
28:47
Speaker 10: You must uphold our decision and they don't belong here.
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Speaker 18: Again, though, if there are technicalities at law, if the directions,
28:55
Speaker 18: the ministerial directions aren't strong enough, then work with the
28:59
Speaker 18: parliament to part us laws to kick these scumbags out.
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Speaker 18: There's no other way around this. I mean, we are
29:06
Speaker 18: not beholden to quasi judicial or judicial officials. We are
29:10
Speaker 18: not beholden to bureaucrats. People elect parliamentarians, people elect a government.
29:15
Speaker 18: Let's act and change the laws and rules related to
29:17
Speaker 18: how we deal with these sorts of things.
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Speaker 1: You've also discovered that the Home Affairs Department has done
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Speaker 1: no internal assessments or evaluation of the success of de
29:27
Speaker 1: radicalization programs, so they don't know if they're actually working.
29:32
Speaker 1: And you know, of course de radicalization programs are applied
29:35
Speaker 1: to terrorists.
29:38
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, terrorists and family members of terrorists, people who've
29:42
Speaker 18: just returned from Syria, arsus brides and their children. Of course,
29:46
Speaker 18: remember we talked about it previously, Sharion. You know, we
29:49
Speaker 18: were going to ask politely for those who've returned to
29:53
Speaker 18: Australia in the cohorts of arsus brides and their children
29:57
Speaker 18: to participate in this scheme to d radicalize individuals. Well a,
30:03
Speaker 18: they're not compelled to do so, be we don't know
30:06
Speaker 18: whether these programs are successful. So what are we actually
30:10
Speaker 18: doing at a time when the Royal Commission is on
30:12
Speaker 18: foot and we're dealing with the radical elements of our
30:17
Speaker 18: society and needing to stamp it out and of course
30:20
Speaker 18: prevent it from being imported into our country, we're not
30:22
Speaker 18: doing anything to correct situations where there are people here
30:26
Speaker 18: who do need to be deradicalized. I've never had faith
30:28
Speaker 18: in these programs. We're better off keeping these people out.
30:31
Speaker 18: But the fact that we don't know how well these
30:33
Speaker 18: programs work is more alarming than that.
30:37
Speaker 2: I mean, you just mentioned the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 1: We actually heard evidence from Accounted Terrorism Coordinator Brendan Dowling
30:43
Speaker 1: this week and he was warning about some of these programs,
30:46
Speaker 1: saying that they're flawed.
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Speaker 2: Have a look, I.
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Speaker 11: Would say, under that previous program, we weren't able to
30:52
Speaker 11: formulate a clear national picture because the data collection and
30:57
Speaker 11: reporting was variable, patchy, inconsistent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this is look at an official analysis or
31:06
Speaker 1: verdict on these programs at the Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 18: Yet it remains a tool that the government are deploying
31:13
Speaker 18: to deal with this hideous scourge on our society.
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Speaker 10: It explains everything.
31:19
Speaker 18: And again the fact that they are so at sea
31:23
Speaker 18: on this matter is I think a terrible concern. And look,
31:28
Speaker 18: this is a mister Dowling, of course I greeled at
31:31
Speaker 18: estimates as well, and he is in charge of the
31:34
Speaker 18: section of the Department, the department that didn't know where
31:37
Speaker 18: the arsist brides were they'd been released into the community.
31:40
Speaker 18: So this federal government, this labor government, are not actually
31:45
Speaker 18: hand on the tiller. They don't know what we're doing
31:47
Speaker 18: in this country. They don't know where the risks to
31:49
Speaker 18: our society present. They are not managing actively in any
31:53
Speaker 18: way the people that are potentially going to do harm
31:56
Speaker 18: to our nation.
31:57
Speaker 10: So there's a lot that needs to be.
31:58
Speaker 18: Fixed here, and we keep bringing it up, We keep
32:00
Speaker 18: asking them to fix it. We keep presenting private members
32:03
Speaker 18: and senators bills, but they keep telling us there's nothing
32:05
Speaker 18: to see here, and they move on. They shut the
32:07
Speaker 18: bake down with the Greens. This is going to end
32:10
Speaker 18: very badly. And I just hope that people sit up
32:12
Speaker 18: and listen when the Royal Commission hands down its findings
32:15
Speaker 18: and where as a country can actually do something meaningful
32:18
Speaker 18: to prevent this sort of stuff from ever happening again.
32:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, depending what its findings are, that we will wait
32:24
Speaker 1: and see very quickly, because we are out of time
32:27
Speaker 1: very quickly. Were you surprised to hear your colleague Andrew
32:30
Speaker 1: Bragg set the migration level at one hundred and eighty
32:33
Speaker 1: thousand this week?
32:35
Speaker 10: Oh look what Andrew has done.
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Speaker 18: As Andrew does on many things, he is someone who's
32:40
Speaker 18: an active thinker, and he's been talking about this for
32:43
Speaker 18: a long time. He's looking at the broken labor plan
32:46
Speaker 18: when it comes to build houses, the broken migration system,
32:49
Speaker 18: he's worked up his own numbers around this. We will
32:52
Speaker 18: announce a number. One Ady, is not it, But I'm
32:55
Speaker 18: glad he's kicked it into debate because it does show
32:57
Speaker 18: a contrast between where Labour's at with their broken migration system.
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Speaker 1: Liver Houses when we're going to get your number.
33:06
Speaker 10: Soon, but not tonight, Sherry. I'll give you a number,
33:09
Speaker 10: but more important.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you is it less than Pauline's
33:14
Speaker 1: figure of one point thirty?
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Speaker 18: Again, you know what I'm going to do. Before I
33:18
Speaker 18: give you a number, I'm going to tell you how
33:20
Speaker 18: we got the number. All right, Pauline hasn't told you
33:22
Speaker 18: how she achieved the number. We will and we'll give
33:24
Speaker 18: you the number.
33:25
Speaker 10: Promise.
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Speaker 1: John, I've got to go. Thanks for your time, and
33:29
Speaker 1: still to come. The university academic who's criticized schools for
33:33
Speaker 1: teaching that child marriage is wrong and Pauline Hanson and
33:38
Speaker 1: the Coalition are teaming up to try and force the
33:41
Speaker 1: Prime Minister to release his correspondence with Japan over the
33:44
Speaker 1: melon saga.
33:45
Speaker 2: That's next.
33:50
Speaker 1: The Senate wants the Albanezy government to produce its correspondence
33:54
Speaker 1: with Japan over the melon saga, an unlikely alliance between
33:58
Speaker 1: the Coalition, the Greens, one Nay and the cross Bench
34:01
Speaker 1: is supporting an order for production of documents and James
34:04
Speaker 1: Patterson led this this afternoon. Were chief political correspondent for
34:08
Speaker 1: nine newspapers, Paul Sakal Jones Me lie from Canberra, Paul,
34:12
Speaker 1: great to see you again. Look, only Labor voted against this,
34:16
Speaker 1: so can we expect the government to produce the letters
34:19
Speaker 1: on Monday?
34:22
Speaker 19: The Government, Shari has a track record of been pretty
34:26
Speaker 19: recalcitrant when it comes to some of these orders to
34:29
Speaker 19: produce documents, although on this one, most of.
34:32
Speaker 10: It I think is out there already.
34:34
Speaker 19: I think the full text has been reported by media outlets,
34:38
Speaker 19: including ours, so it may well be that they're willing
34:40
Speaker 19: to hand these ones over.
34:42
Speaker 1: I mean, if the government does do this on Monday,
34:45
Speaker 1: or even if it doesn't, I mean it looks like
34:47
Speaker 1: this melngate is going to roll into week two.
34:52
Speaker 10: It probably will.
34:54
Speaker 19: It's obviously a point of sensitivity for the Prime Minister.
34:58
Speaker 19: He's found all different kinds of ways this week to
35:01
Speaker 19: avoid questions.
35:02
Speaker 10: When Mary Aldrew, the Liberal.
35:03
Speaker 19: Backbencher, got up for her second question, I think it
35:06
Speaker 19: was on Tuesday in question time, the Prime minister, who
35:09
Speaker 19: is as widely as they come in relation to parliamentary procedures,
35:13
Speaker 19: saw her step up and quickly got his documents in
35:16
Speaker 19: order and called for an end of question time. Chris Min's,
35:19
Speaker 19: as your viewers would know, stepped in today, so he
35:22
Speaker 19: doesn't want to talk about it. But on the other hand,
35:24
Speaker 19: and I talked to quite a few labor people about
35:26
Speaker 19: this today, even the few back even the minority of
35:29
Speaker 19: backbenchers who are quite critical of the Prime Minister and
35:32
Speaker 19: wish he would just make an apology and move on.
35:35
Speaker 19: They as well believe that the opposition's wasting its time
35:39
Speaker 19: by dragging this on. They see it as not the
35:42
Speaker 19: main game, the economy and cost of living being the
35:44
Speaker 19: main focus, and so they believe that the opposition's kind
35:47
Speaker 19: of falling into a cheap sugar hit and losing sight
35:51
Speaker 19: of the bigger issues which can turn into a sustained
35:54
Speaker 19: political argument argument against labor.
35:57
Speaker 1: Paul, do you get any sense how the labor women
35:59
Speaker 1: are feeling about because we saw so many come out
36:02
Speaker 1: this week and you know, try mounted defense of the
36:05
Speaker 1: Prime minister, but it must be uncomfortable.
36:08
Speaker 19: I do feel sorry for Tanya Plibersek, the Social Services Minister,
36:12
Speaker 19: who for the second Monday in the space of about
36:15
Speaker 19: a month, was forced to she has a regular slot
36:18
Speaker 19: on Sunrise with Barnaby Joyce. On the Monday be the
36:20
Speaker 19: first Labor woman to mount a what looked like a
36:23
Speaker 19: very impassioned defense of the Prime Minister, suggesting that he
36:26
Speaker 19: didn't mean what people, or at least his critics, believe
36:30
Speaker 19: that he meant. She looked to believe what she was
36:33
Speaker 19: saying plisec so if she didn't, it was a fantastic lie.
36:38
Speaker 19: I think that Look, everyone is squeamish talking about this.
36:41
Speaker 19: People understand what the public perception is. But there are
36:44
Speaker 19: people in labor, some people in labor at least who
36:46
Speaker 19: do genuinely believe the Prime Minister that he didn't mean.
36:49
Speaker 10: He didn't mean to go along with the jokes.
36:51
Speaker 6: At a minimum, though the.
36:52
Speaker 19: Podcast host was certainly making lud remarks or suggesting crude
36:58
Speaker 19: double entendres, and so at a minute he could have
37:01
Speaker 19: said sorry, I'm not going to engage in that.
37:02
Speaker 1: Now she's revealed she slipped into his DMS. That's how
37:06
Speaker 1: she got the interview. So this will be the next saga.
37:09
Speaker 1: Paula want to turn to the internal division in the coalition.
37:12
Speaker 1: Of course, Angus Taylor has given Andrew Bragg a talking
37:14
Speaker 1: to after he went rogue this week at the Press Club.
37:17
Speaker 1: I mean, with the coalition sitting on around twenty percent
37:20
Speaker 1: in the polls, disunity would be the last thing they want.
37:26
Speaker 19: Agree However, the Coalition, and they say this themselves, has
37:32
Speaker 19: been in deep opposition now for about four years and
37:35
Speaker 19: barely let a month run where it wasn't talking about
37:39
Speaker 19: discipline and actually allowed some free flowing debate about what
37:43
Speaker 19: the party stands for. And you talk to people on
37:45
Speaker 19: the right of the Liberal Party, Tony Abbott and Peter Credlin,
37:48
Speaker 19: you talk to people on the left of the Liberal Party,
37:50
Speaker 19: they all say the same thing. The party needs to
37:53
Speaker 19: understand what it's for. And so Andrew Bragg was reckless,
37:57
Speaker 19: he was careless. He could have gone about this through
38:00
Speaker 19: proper process, and he should have been reprimanded in private
38:03
Speaker 19: about those things. But I'd point to Matt Canavan, the
38:06
Speaker 19: Nationals leader who I was just chatting to outside here,
38:08
Speaker 19: who handled this I think in a far more wise
38:12
Speaker 19: way than Angus Taylor and James Patterson did publicly today.
38:15
Speaker 19: He said, look, we're the party of individualism with a
38:18
Speaker 19: party of ideas. Andrew Bragg was arguing for a more
38:21
Speaker 19: right wing, free market conservative manifesto and economics than anyone
38:26
Speaker 19: on the right of the Liberal Party has for a
38:27
Speaker 19: long time. These are ideas that the Liberal Party believe in. Yes,
38:32
Speaker 19: he didn't follow a proper process, but by Angus Taylor
38:34
Speaker 19: and James Patterson reprimanding him as firmly as they did
38:37
Speaker 19: this morning, they've turned it into a It turned it
38:40
Speaker 19: into a story of destabilization and leadership contest.
38:43
Speaker 10: And what does it point to.
38:45
Speaker 19: It points to the deep paranoia and personality differences that
38:50
Speaker 19: still rack the Liberal Party. They've had leadership turmoil for
38:53
Speaker 19: years and years. People don't trust one another, and so
38:57
Speaker 19: even when a shadow minister is trying to have a crack,
38:59
Speaker 19: even if he's done so in a hand fisted way,
39:01
Speaker 19: it turns into a leadership story.
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Speaker 1: And that's one thing. One thing at least anyway, the
39:07
Speaker 1: Albanezy government has done remarkably well. I mean they have
39:10
Speaker 1: been so unified you think it's really ed husick. Maybe
39:14
Speaker 1: a couple of others every now and then, you know,
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Speaker 1: say something different, but very rare to get disunity within
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Speaker 1: the alban Ezy government. Despite what they've got ninety plus
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Speaker 1: MP's it's kind of extraordinary.
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Speaker 19: It's it's the prime minister's key asset and he knows it.
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Speaker 19: And so that even when there's a really uncomfortable story
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Speaker 19: like Melngate, if I'd be so brave enough to call
39:37
Speaker 19: it that, he knows that his caucus will remain, will
39:40
Speaker 19: stick fat and when there's a little moment of outbreak
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Speaker 19: of disunity, he's shrewd enough to shut it down. It's
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Speaker 19: the government's key asset.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Paul, thanks so much for your analysis.
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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. And still to come the.
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Speaker 1: University professor advocating for child marriage and why the Prime
40:02
Speaker 1: Minister should stop boasting about falling house prices. Tom Panis
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Speaker 1: joins me at the desk after the break.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company.
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Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 1: A and Z is the latest bank to warn about
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Speaker 1: the drop in mortgage applications. They're report today showing a
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Speaker 1: twelve percent fall since the government announced it's sweeping changes
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Speaker 1: to negative gearing and capital gains tax. To discuss this
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Speaker 1: free fall is auctioneer and property expert Tom Panas. Tom,
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Speaker 1: thanks for your time again, Thank.
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Speaker 15: You, Chary.
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Speaker 1: Now, A and Z follows Westpac, which reported a twenty
40:35
Speaker 1: percent fall in homeland applications CBA fifteen percent. Now you've
40:40
Speaker 1: been feeling this and talking about this year on the
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Speaker 1: ground for months.
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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's no surprise. I mean we've been seeing this
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Speaker 15: at a grassroots level. You can see how many people
40:49
Speaker 15: are actually wanting to buy a house and how many
40:51
Speaker 15: people are bidding. First time buyers are worried about going
40:54
Speaker 15: in because they're thinking, if I buy, even though it
40:57
Speaker 15: might look like it's good value, it's probably going to
40:59
Speaker 15: drop and I'm going to go negative. Equity investors Shari, Well,
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Speaker 15: they got all that wrong. The government thought they were
41:05
Speaker 15: going to get the investors to move from existing properties
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Speaker 15: and buy new properties, but the investors have said none, no, no,
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Speaker 15: bye bye, We're out of here. So that doesn't surprise
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Speaker 15: me whatsoever. And there's hesitance in the market. So those
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Speaker 15: numbers from the banks mirror with what's going out on
41:19
Speaker 15: the ground.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, especially you know when people when their homes are
41:23
Speaker 1: their main asset and they're worried about selling for less
41:25
Speaker 1: than they might have done six months ago.
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Speaker 15: Correct, And Charie, the other thing that we don't take
41:28
Speaker 15: into account is a thing called how rich you feel?
41:32
Speaker 15: The wealth effect when people are told your house is
41:35
Speaker 15: worth less money, they go inward. They think I'm poorer,
41:38
Speaker 15: and they don't spend as much money going out, and
41:40
Speaker 15: that is not a good thing either.
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Speaker 1: Now, just looking at the first home buyers, Now, the
41:45
Speaker 1: whole idea of this from the federal government was to
41:49
Speaker 1: get housing more affordable for first home buyers. But you're
41:52
Speaker 1: saying the price point hasn't actually fallen.
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Speaker 2: Is that correct?
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Speaker 15: Look, Shari, there's three price points in realist high end, medium,
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Speaker 15: low end. High has fallen, medium has fallen, and the
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Speaker 15: lower point has not really fallen at all, and in
42:08
Speaker 15: some instances has gone up because of that five percent
42:11
Speaker 15: deposit scheme. This is actually totally against what the government
42:15
Speaker 15: wanted to do. What they wanted to do is to
42:17
Speaker 15: help first home buyers. They in fact haven't done that.
42:20
Speaker 15: What they've actually done is helped people upgrade from a
42:23
Speaker 15: three million dollar property to a seven million dollar property
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Speaker 15: because the changeover figure is smaller. So I'm not quite
42:30
Speaker 15: sure whether that was the plan. I think that they
42:32
Speaker 15: wanted to help young people, that's what they were saying,
42:34
Speaker 15: but that hasn't been the case.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for votes, for political reasons. I mean, that's an
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Speaker 1: absolute disaster. I mean, the whole thing is really it's
42:41
Speaker 1: such a mess. I want to ask you about how
42:43
Speaker 1: you think this would then therefore be impacting on state
42:46
Speaker 1: revenue as we know stamp duty collected by the state governments.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 15: So in some states New South Wales example, twenty five
42:55
Speaker 15: percent of its revenue comes from stamp duties. And now
42:59
Speaker 15: that these transactions are not happening, obviously Min's and the
43:03
Speaker 15: other premiers around the country are going to start saying,
43:05
Speaker 15: hang on a second here, our budgets are being impacted.
43:08
Speaker 15: And there was a report two days ago that both
43:11
Speaker 15: Queensland and New South Wales would be regraded financially because
43:15
Speaker 15: of this.
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Speaker 1: Such a worry if that happens a Tom, you were
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Speaker 1: in New Zealand this week and I haven't looked at
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Speaker 1: your report while you were there.
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Speaker 15: As I walk around the streets of Wellington, I see
43:27
Speaker 15: empty shops for lease, science businesses doing a tough, abandoned
43:31
Speaker 15: shops and a property market that's been smashed by thirty percent.
43:34
Speaker 15: I wish the Political Party of Australia came and did
43:37
Speaker 15: a three day excursion here.
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Speaker 1: Yes, so, Tom, should Wellington be a warning sign to
43:42
Speaker 1: Australia about government overreach.
43:45
Speaker 15: I think Anthony Alberaniz and doctor Chalmers should take a
43:47
Speaker 15: flight across the Tasman and go and have a look
43:49
Speaker 15: at what happened in twenty twenty one. This legislation was
43:53
Speaker 15: brought into New Zealand and what we saw was the
43:57
Speaker 15: rents go up. We saw the whole place get capitulated.
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Speaker 15: Property prices have dropped by thirty percent there. So I'm
44:02
Speaker 15: one million dollar house now three years later seven hundred
44:05
Speaker 15: thousand dollars. They have reversed it in recent times, but
44:09
Speaker 15: I'm concerned. We don't want Australia to go down the
44:12
Speaker 15: path of what's happened with Wellington, and we're beginning to
44:15
Speaker 15: see it with these interest rate rises. Because interest rate
44:18
Speaker 15: risers were the thing that really topped they're off in
44:20
Speaker 15: New Zealand, particularly Wellington. So it is concerning. It is concerning.
44:24
Speaker 15: I must say. The one thing that we have got
44:27
Speaker 15: in Australia at the moment is unemployment is not high.
44:30
Speaker 15: And I think what's protecting us Shahi is that there's
44:33
Speaker 15: going to come a point where an owner's going to say, well,
44:35
Speaker 15: I'm not forced to sell, so I'm not going to sell,
44:38
Speaker 15: and if they don't sell, it doesn't actually set a
44:40
Speaker 15: precedence with a price point. That's the thing that's saving us.
44:43
Speaker 15: But I still got concerns about the first home buyers
44:46
Speaker 15: and negative equity very quickly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got auctions on Saturday down again.
44:52
Speaker 15: They are down again. Auction volumes are down, and I
44:54
Speaker 15: think some properties are moving towards private treaty because people
44:57
Speaker 15: are not feeling confident about option, hoping it's going to
45:00
Speaker 15: be a better spring. But at this stage, thanks so
45:03
Speaker 15: much for being here, Tom, Thank you.
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Speaker 10: Shari still to come.
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Speaker 1: A former Terror group supporter has been hired by one
45:09
Speaker 1: of the world's most elite universities. That's after the break.
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Speaker 14: Well.
45:16
Speaker 1: A former supporter of Terror group his Bootteria has been
45:19
Speaker 1: appointed assistant research professor at Cambridge University. Farah Ahmed has
45:24
Speaker 1: outrageously criticized British schools for teaching that child marriage is wrong,
45:29
Speaker 1: and to discuss. Chief economist at the IPA, Adam Crichton
45:32
Speaker 1: joins me, Now, Adam, what can you tell me about
45:35
Speaker 1: this academic.
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Speaker 20: Well, it's just outrageous really that she's been appointed to
45:41
Speaker 20: this position. She's argued that teaching English is the most
45:44
Speaker 20: dangerous of all disciplines because it encourages competition, apparently and
45:48
Speaker 20: also individualism, things apparently that Islam does not approve of.
45:52
Speaker 20: I mean, she's been on the record for many, many years,
45:54
Speaker 20: and she saying crazy and outrageous things. I would argue
45:58
Speaker 20: that western civilized aas of cancer.
46:00
Speaker 8: That it's disgusting.
46:02
Speaker 20: She's even you know, she's received hundreds of thousands of
46:04
Speaker 20: pounds from the British government since two thousand and two,
46:07
Speaker 20: even running schools, public schools I believe, or at least
46:11
Speaker 20: schools that are subsidized by the government, and she's managed
46:14
Speaker 20: to find herself in this very senior prophetsorial position at
46:18
Speaker 20: what is arguably the most prestigious university in the UK.
46:21
Speaker 20: I mean, you know, she's tacitly being endorsed by the
46:24
Speaker 20: British government. That's a university is that is heavily subsidized
46:28
Speaker 20: by British taxpayers.
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Speaker 8: So I mean, the whole situation is.
46:30
Speaker 20: Just an outrage and I think really that Cambridge needs
46:33
Speaker 20: to have an audit I would say now of its academics,
46:35
Speaker 20: given there are these two cases just in recent weeks
46:39
Speaker 20: that are just completely outrageous.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Adam, you went to one of these elite
46:43
Speaker 1: British universities. I think you were at ox I mean,
46:46
Speaker 1: but what does it say about these universities that they've
46:49
Speaker 1: changed so much that they're hiring people like this.
46:54
Speaker 8: Yeah, look, it's pretty shocking. Twenty five years ago. I
46:56
Speaker 8: was at Oxford for a few years and look, it
46:58
Speaker 8: was left wing.
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Speaker 20: I mean, let's face it, most academics are pretty left wing,
47:02
Speaker 20: and that's fine, I suppose to an extent, but they
47:05
Speaker 20: weren't massively against Western civilization. And I certainly can't imagine,
47:10
Speaker 20: you know that a professor like this would have been
47:11
Speaker 20: appointed at either university back then. So, you know, I
47:14
Speaker 20: think it's a sign of our civilization's lack of confidence.
47:17
Speaker 20: We no longer have the courage of our convictions. It's
47:20
Speaker 20: very sad to see. And I hope that there's a
47:22
Speaker 20: community pushback against this, and like I said, that there
47:24
Speaker 20: is some sort of audit. It's just a shameful situation
47:28
Speaker 20: that this woman is being subsidized.
47:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
47:30
Speaker 1: I'm going to turn to the economy the IBA Governor
47:32
Speaker 1: Michelle Bullock, this worn't this week wand about the low productivity.
47:37
Speaker 1: I mean, what needs to be done this is quite
47:39
Speaker 1: dian Ou.
47:41
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, look, it's been very bad for some time.
47:45
Speaker 20: But look, I'd just be happy if the federal government
47:47
Speaker 20: focused on reducing insanity and not increasing productivity.
47:51
Speaker 8: I mean, we've had the situation.
47:52
Speaker 20: Now where they're spending billions of taxpayers dollars to force
47:55
Speaker 20: soul and wind power into the grid, and that of
47:58
Speaker 20: course puts smelt out of business, that puts steel works
48:01
Speaker 20: out of business, and then they come along and spend
48:03
Speaker 20: even more billions to bail them out. That's obviously shocking
48:07
Speaker 20: for productivity. And you've got the workforce. You know, job's
48:09
Speaker 20: growth is all in sectors, largely government supported sectors, the
48:12
Speaker 20: so called care economy, which are extremely unproductive. So so
48:16
Speaker 20: of course you're going to have a national slide in
48:18
Speaker 20: the figures. So look, I just think the bottom line
48:21
Speaker 20: is govern needs to get out of the way and
48:22
Speaker 20: that households and businesses make their own decisions about spending money,
48:26
Speaker 20: and then you'll get better productivity. I mean government spending, Remember,
48:29
Speaker 20: it's spending other people's money on other people.
48:31
Speaker 8: It's a very inefficient way of doing things.
48:33
Speaker 20: If you spend your own money, then you know what
48:35
Speaker 20: you want and you're worried about cost. So you know,
48:38
Speaker 20: the larger government is the west productive society is going
48:41
Speaker 20: to be.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely.
48:43
Speaker 1: I want to turn to the Victorian state government now,
48:45
Speaker 1: tell us about this treaty body and how much they're
48:48
Speaker 1: spending to hire a new chief executive.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
48:52
Speaker 20: Look, this is just outrageous, totally obscene really from Ben Carroll,
48:55
Speaker 20: the new premier here, you know, who's out there saying
48:58
Speaker 20: that he's going to support integrity in spending an efficiency
49:01
Speaker 20: and you've got a four hundred and seventy thousand dollars
49:03
Speaker 20: salary for the head of this so called treaty body,
49:06
Speaker 20: which has some weird.
49:07
Speaker 8: Name that no one can actually pronounce ger and wel
49:10
Speaker 8: or something.
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Speaker 20: And you know, this is a state where people voted
49:13
Speaker 20: sixty forty just a few years ago explicitly against a
49:15
Speaker 20: body like this, a body which has already cost well
49:18
Speaker 20: over one hundred million dollars and setting it up, and
49:20
Speaker 20: the ongoing costs I think you're going to be seventy
49:22
Speaker 20: to one hundred million dollars every year. And this is
49:24
Speaker 20: a state with two hundred billion dollars of debt, right,
49:27
Speaker 20: I mean, it's completely outrageous. I mean, if you wanted
49:29
Speaker 20: to make a good decision to try to get in November.
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Speaker 8: He should knock the whole thing on their head.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you need to get into that Treasury department there,
49:36
Speaker 1: Adam and fix it all up. Thanks, good to see
49:39
Speaker 1: you again. Thanks for your time, all right, and thanks
49:42
Speaker 1: everyone so much for your company this week.
49:43
Speaker 2: It's been a fun week.
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Speaker 1: I hope we don't have to talk about melons next week,
49:47
Speaker 1: but for now, here's Paul Murray.