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EP185 - Friday The 13th Part V - A New Beginning (Thirsty For Gore) · Thirsty For More - Movie Review

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  Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Hello, hello everybody, Hello, hello, hello everyone, and
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  Speaker 1: welcome to Thursday for Gore Hi of course, and your
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  Speaker 1: host Milane and nah am ah, like nice to meet.
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  Speaker 2: You, oh dude, welcome, welcome to you, Welcome to the audience.
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  Speaker 3: Friday the thirteenth, A New Beginning nineteen eighty five's slash
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  Speaker 3: nineteen nineties the real age of the movie, dude, And
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  Speaker 3: because it's set five years later.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well like, and it really was a new
• 0:34
  Speaker 2: beginning in the sense that that it's in the future. Dude,
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  Speaker 2: it is in the future, and it also doesn't it doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of movies just did this. Yeah, they're just.
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  Speaker 3: Like, well, we're got we got to make a sequel. Well,
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  Speaker 3: how do we do that. We'll set it five years later,
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  Speaker 3: but the movie was made last year.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what, well, because they want to move the
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  Speaker 2: plot forward, and it's a way to not include Tommy.
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  Speaker 2: But so like, speaking of Tommy, we get the old
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  Speaker 2: Tommy at the beginning of this movie, which is well,
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: get the real Tommy later on, which is of course
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  Speaker 2: Tory Feldman. I think it was nice to seem as
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  Speaker 2: Ascension Millennium. However, short apparently the film this like in
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  Speaker 2: his backyard, because he was like cast to do something else,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the Goonies, I don't know, probably, and he just
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the time to be in this movie. And
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  Speaker 2: like some grave robbers go some teen robbers, but to
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  Speaker 2: rob Jason Moore's his grave, wh which is still wearing
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  Speaker 2: the mask, of course, which is in the backyard of Tommy,
• 1:38
  Speaker 2: and Tommy has like a ghostly connection to Jason right away,
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  Speaker 2: right away, because we saw it also in the last movie.
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  Speaker 2: But dude, what I keep wanting to say is this
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  Speaker 2: movie is the first movie that breaks from the tradition.
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  Speaker 2: It is a real new beginning the sense that it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't do the previous movie.
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  Speaker 3: It doesn't do the previous movies, but it does do
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  Speaker 3: it sort of does is in the same vein where
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  Speaker 3: it's like, oh, it's Tommy, He's from the last one.
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  Speaker 2: He's having like it ties it. It's tied with Tommy
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  Speaker 2: exactly exactly because it's a new beginning, of course.
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  Speaker 3: And this entire scene with him is him open mouth
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  Speaker 3: staring at just constantly staring towards the camera and like
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  Speaker 3: it kind of sexually.
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  Speaker 2: It was you know, Okay, So this whole movie is
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  Speaker 2: so porno, dude, It's everything about it is porno. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, teens not being teens, dude, So many thirty
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  Speaker 3: five year olds playing teens.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, at least it made it not weird and
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  Speaker 2: us fucking but yeah, it's it's it's very this one
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  Speaker 2: is very funny. It's very it's very it's very like woo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it doesn't care if it makes any sense,
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  Speaker 3: not not even like oh the Lord, it's like, well,
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  Speaker 3: who cares? Things don't make sense in this world?
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  Speaker 2: But he is the beginning.
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  Speaker 3: I was like, because even the shots at the beginning
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  Speaker 3: where it's like following him immediately it starts and it's
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  Speaker 3: just like Rainy and following h Corey Feldman, like through
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  Speaker 3: the woods and stuff. And Jason has the masks the
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  Speaker 3: worms in his eyes, and.
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  Speaker 2: This one's obsessed with eyes.
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  Speaker 3: Definite Lauri, Yeah, for sure. And Jason is very swelt
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  Speaker 3: this he's no longer her beefy on top of a
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  Speaker 3: little lurchy.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, of course we'll find out why exactly.
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  Speaker 3: That is, he's much more spelt because we have a
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  Speaker 3: cool new stylish mask. He can't say why though, dude,
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  Speaker 3: because he's an interesting a little bit bow legged verse
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  Speaker 3: of it's curved inside.
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  Speaker 2: Toward Yeah, and it's just he is he's scary in
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  Speaker 2: a very different way. Yeah, yeah, totally because he looks
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  Speaker 2: like a tall uncle. The menace is different. It's a
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  Speaker 2: different vibe to the Menace. And there's kind of a
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  Speaker 2: lot of because the deaths are so obscured, there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of like I think it was purposeful to this
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  Speaker 2: isn't Jason, and we'll find out that it isn't Jason,
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  Speaker 2: but it's just Jason. It wants to tell us through
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  Speaker 2: the kills that it's just Jason, but but it's not,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like and so like it's
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  Speaker 2: kind of obscuring the kills. I mean, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if it thought about it this much. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it necessarily did. But that's the backlaor that we can
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  Speaker 2: put onto it. I think totally.
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  Speaker 3: I think actually somebody was telling me, maybe it was
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  Speaker 3: Kays that was telling me that this movie was just
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: cut to shit. Yeah, because I noticed that, Like it's
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  Speaker 3: like wow, like there's just not there's no blood.
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  Speaker 2: In this or anything. It's just kind I mean, there's boobs,
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  Speaker 2: there's so much. Yeah, so many boobies. But yeah, so
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  Speaker 2: so we are where are we?
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  Speaker 3: It looks back to now five years later, a thirty
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  Speaker 3: five year old Tommy wakes up and Jack.
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  Speaker 2: Jacked every everyone was in this movie. Everyone had big Dick's.
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  Speaker 2: It was Jack and the bovies were booby. Yeah, definitely
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  Speaker 2: different kinds of No, let's get different kinds. It was
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  Speaker 2: definitely like and then they cut this like fucking dork
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  Speaker 2: who is like the the driver of the like ambulance
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  Speaker 2: or like the nuthouse mustache dude. He was so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he was like Pam gets introduced in this. He wanted
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  Speaker 2: you to try. He only wanted to happily looking from
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  Speaker 2: this to see if you enjoyed it, if it burned correctly. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so the two orderlies.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, like the people who run the Center for Disease
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  Speaker 3: Control and lunatics or whatever in this.
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  Speaker 2: Time, Well, so okay, it's very wand waving about lunatics. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's like it's like you know, crazy people.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, it's different, it's different. This is the first
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  Speaker 3: time we see it's total judgment of sext of total
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  Speaker 3: pussy liberal shit. Because he's like he can't go to
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  Speaker 3: the regular nuthouse where he put these fucking freaks. He's
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  Speaker 3: got to go to these pussies over here to get
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  Speaker 3: some things solved, and none of it gets solved.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it does very much make it seem like
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  Speaker 2: nothing's gonna like be fixed by this like camp, because
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  Speaker 2: immediately people are fucking murdered here, crazy.
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  Speaker 3: People people, they're they're they're like, but the council is
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  Speaker 3: crazy people murder people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but the counselor has a fucking gay pride flag.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it's progressive, dude, what do you want, dude. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it says break family tradition.
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  Speaker 3: It says help destroy a family tradition.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, help destroy a family tradition. Yeah. They want to
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  Speaker 2: make it seem like it's evil. They do make it
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  Speaker 2: seem like it, or then it just doesn't work.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, no, we've got to get these We've got
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  Speaker 3: to kill all these fucking lunatics, that's what. But then
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  Speaker 3: the crazy hicks in the town too, with the mom
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  Speaker 3: that's way too young to be that guy's mom.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that was insane. Well we'll talk about that, but
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was so weird. Okay, Well, we get
• 7:37
  Speaker 2: introduced to Pam first. Yeah, and she has mascara on
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  Speaker 2: like both sets of up and down lashes.
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  Speaker 3: It's like she's like, yeah, she looks like h surprised
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  Speaker 3: all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. And she introduces herself to Tommy. And because her
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  Speaker 2: calming presence is nice for Tommy, he gets out of
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  Speaker 2: the car when he didn't want to get out of
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  Speaker 2: the vehicle when the orderly was mean and like kind
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  Speaker 2: of barking orders at him. Yeah. And the doctor his
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  Speaker 2: name is Matt Letter. Okay, right off the bat, I
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  Speaker 2: need to ask you something because this is something that's
• 8:16
  Speaker 2: gonna like go on throughout the conversation. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that Tommy has within his powers the like, does he
• 8:27
  Speaker 2: have possessor powers? Does he have Jason possessor powers? Well,
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  Speaker 2: we'll see in the next one. I mean, okay, so
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  Speaker 2: that there's something about that.
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  Speaker 3: I think I remember there being something about not possessor power,
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  Speaker 3: maybe possessor powers. I remember that being in for some reason,
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  Speaker 3: Jason goes goes to Manhattan or whatever. Yeah, he definitely
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  Speaker 3: tries the tooth.
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  Speaker 2: It's just Jason. No.
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  Speaker 3: But we've got we're introduced. Yeah, like we're introduced to
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  Speaker 3: the doctor and and Tommy, Uh, like dead eyed staring
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  Speaker 3: at the picture of his parents or his mom and
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  Speaker 3: his sister on his phone, I mean a picture, and
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  Speaker 3: then he like pulls the knife out and it's like, oh, that's.
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  Speaker 2: Gonna try the tooth, dude. Of course, of course it's
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  Speaker 2: gonna fucking come back. It's gonna come back. I mean
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  Speaker 2: they're literally trying the tooth hard with the knife. It's
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  Speaker 2: like just looking at it as in it's jo Pezy's
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  Speaker 2: shiny golden tooth, dude.
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  Speaker 3: But we get introduced to who I really I really
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  Speaker 3: liked Reggie, the little black kid and the grandpa dude.
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  Speaker 2: Reggie. They're reckless, reckless and you want to brother dude.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, do you want a man?
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  Speaker 2: Dude? Amazing, amazing with his cool we'd smoking girlfriend. I
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  Speaker 2: mean he.
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  Speaker 3: Looked cool too, really cool. I was like, Oh, damn,
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  Speaker 3: the should we get into the problems?
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  Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, we didn't. We need to get through.
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  Speaker 2: We need to get through at least several layers of
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  Speaker 2: like inciting events. There were so many insiding events. We
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  Speaker 2: need to get through them. We need to get through them.
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  Speaker 3: This this was cool because the reason I mentioned Reggie
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  Speaker 3: is because Reggie has the spider. He like Tommy opens the.
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he scares Tommy with the spider and then he's like,
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: hey man, I'm Reggie the Reckless and he's just like
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  Speaker 2: I'm Dennis the Menace.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but black, and like they they very much like well,
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  Speaker 3: they made it like connect to him because he was
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  Speaker 3: the kid, precocious kid who made masks or shares him
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  Speaker 3: with another mask.
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  Speaker 2: That he shows him, that he shows him tom masks
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  Speaker 2: from parts of the and it's cool to see those
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  Speaker 2: masks return. Of course, we know because this is our Tommy,
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  Speaker 2: the very same from the previous movie, and nobody else
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  Speaker 2: just thirty five years older. And I liked Reggie the Reckless. Uh.
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  Speaker 2: And I like that they wanted to insert like blackness
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  Speaker 2: into the Jason franchise. It's been kind of it's been
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  Speaker 2: a long time coming. But did it better?
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  Speaker 3: Did it better than than oh than any movie?
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  Speaker 2: Oh well yeah, well not really. Kinkaid was was pretty good. Well. See,
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  Speaker 2: that's the thing is, like I feel like they it
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: feels very written by white people like Kinkaid. Know this,
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  Speaker 2: I think Kid feels less written by really, I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't think that they wanted like maybe well
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, no, now I'm remembering stuff. Yeah, it's kinkaid.
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  Speaker 2: It's no better. I don't really that much better. I
• 11:44
  Speaker 2: don't know. It's kind of hard to know, right, Like
• 11:46
  Speaker 2: it's it's hard to feel like separate what might be
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: racism and what might just be like outrageous writing. I
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: don't think any of it's racism.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's all just kind of like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I mean this is like, do you know any black people?
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like it's some yeah, yeah, my like
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: my my cousin is dating. I don't know how you
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  Speaker 2: say it, but you know, it's that kind of you know,
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  Speaker 2: black American.
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  Speaker 3: I heard one time I was at a it was
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: like a signing and a talk with Daniel Klaus, the
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  Speaker 3: guy who wrote Ghost World, and I heard this.
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  Speaker 2: I overheard this, this woman having a conversation about a
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  Speaker 2: friend of hers who was dating a black guy.
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  Speaker 3: And she was like African Canadian and I was just
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  Speaker 3: like this was like she was like twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, it's struggling to even say the word,
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  Speaker 2: say the words that. It's just like Jesus there people
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  Speaker 2: White people have a hard time talking about race black
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  Speaker 2: people and because they're like I don't know how to
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  Speaker 2: say it. I just don't know. I don't know that's
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  Speaker 2: exactly what it is. Dude, Tommy meets Eddie and Tina.
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  Speaker 2: But sorry, sorry, just to go back. Having said all that,
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  Speaker 2: do you feel like some of this is like somebody
• 13:19
  Speaker 2: writing someone she used to be Indian but now she's no.
• 13:25
  Speaker 3: I thought, like, you know, what's his name? Juana Man
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  Speaker 3: was like cool, he was like seeing his brother and
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  Speaker 3: like dating this girl.
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  Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I like so random though, like like
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  Speaker 2: just inserting, like I don't know. It was like it's
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: like in this world of black punks and there's like
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: why did they have like also like these like later
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: on they had these guys, these like greaser types. Yeah, totally,
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  Speaker 2: and they're like shirts underneath that were just like sweaters.
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  Speaker 2: But I think, I think, I think what it is
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  Speaker 2: is like this guy is very much so I learned
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  Speaker 2: that this guy is actually a porno director, and that's
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  Speaker 2: why this movie feels like wow wow, So he actually
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: is a porno director, and that's why like everyone is
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  Speaker 2: like types and tropes, and that's why it's very like
• 14:23
  Speaker 2: you know, our Lakino with the dick No's mask. It's
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  Speaker 2: like very like come Comedia de larte, Yeah, which is
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: like kind of cool when you know that, which is
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: also explained some of like the like the way that
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  Speaker 2: the black characters were written, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: And this cop that looks so much like Brad Dorif,
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  Speaker 3: the thin tall cop who was like the wiener cop, the.
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  Speaker 2: Cop was really there, my big, like all knowing cop
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  Speaker 2: who's like Jason, how's Tommy, let me know how that
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: works out with that fucking break. Yeah, totally yeah, and
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  Speaker 2: then the the like why the they also you're right,
• 15:04
  Speaker 2: they also they made the like doctor be like a
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Bill Maher type from from the Third Freddy movie, that
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  Speaker 2: he doesn't really know what he's doing.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally like a quack. Yeah, he is a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of a quack. And we get introduced to like
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  Speaker 3: the next door neighbors who are who Tina and Eddie
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: or are like fucking in the forest, and these two hicks,
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  Speaker 3: the mom and the son.
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  Speaker 2: The mom doesn't look like I think they purposely made
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  Speaker 2: it like that's because she's supposed to be like they're
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: supposed to be like hicks. But they also made her
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: up to like look old, like this woman is like
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: an attractive woman. Yeah, she's so odd. Like they just
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: like put literally That's why I said this movie is
• 15:44
  Speaker 2: kind of drag because they like put her in a
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: funny like disheveled again, like put like black, like like
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: makeup on her teeth. Oh you literally like like looks
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: like she's like, oh, what's going on here? Guys?
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  Speaker 3: I mean like like we're the first like fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 3: and the only real kill that happens. I mean there's
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: dream kills where he you know, hey, dream dream.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Kills a dude. Yeah, they also dreams, dude. This is
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: a post Freddy universe. Is a post Freddy universe. It
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: feels more like a Freddy movie. It feels more like
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: like it's a little bit more like dude, dude, totally
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: it does. It does feel like that. And Joey is one.
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  Speaker 3: Of the most annoying fucking characters to ever like disgusting,
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  Speaker 3: greasy hands, like I don't know if he's supposed to
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: be a teen, but clearly like thirty year old being like, hey, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: I can help with it, and it's like, no, leave
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  Speaker 3: us the fuck alone, you disgusting freak. That's how it feels.
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: It's just like whoa dude, they were this.
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  Speaker 2: Guy with no sympathy or empathy. Well, I mean it's written, Yeah,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: no wonder, fucking cornal guy, No wonder. Vic fucking is
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  Speaker 2: chopping wood in the most useless way, offering chocolate to
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  Speaker 2: the girl, to the girls, and his face is covered
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  Speaker 2: in chocolate, greasy ass chocolate. Violet and and Robin. And
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: this guy is Joey and he's such he's giving such
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: Joey energy. He's so Joey, Joey, Joey, Joey, Joey, Joey
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  Speaker 2: Joey totally and and then when it doesn't work, he's like, hey,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I'm bisexual. Canonically, let me talk to this guy. We
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: talked to Vic, who's hot and chopping wood but like
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: so angry, like he's the chato. But when Joey picks
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: up the white sheet with his disgusting chocolate hands.
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: And they're like, but he's but he's also like, I'm
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the best. I'm the best at doing laundry. No one
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  Speaker 3: else can do laundry.
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  Speaker 2: He thinks he thinks he can be president. He totally does.
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  Speaker 2: And then Vic, who again he's chopping wood in the
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: middle of the wood, not not like with the wood
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  Speaker 2: facing up and down, just in the middle of where
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: the bark is, and like, I think, just as exercise,
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, was it to chop the wood, because
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: that's there's better ways to chop. And also like the
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: chunks were coming out, I was like, this actor is
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: legitimately in danger of like losing sight in one of
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  Speaker 2: his and yeah, and then the most insane thing happens
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: where he's so murderably irritating in the moment that like
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: the audience almost like you almost feel like, yeah, dude,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Dream? He starts, I thought it was
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: a dream, and he chops him to dead.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: No. No, first he chops his chocolate and app and
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: then he becomes so irritated that he walked. Joey walks
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  Speaker 3: away and Vic is just like.
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  Speaker 2: And he chops him to deaths Okay, now immediately question
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  Speaker 2: question this is where I have questions. Do you think
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  Speaker 2: that the disruptive arrival of our possessed boy Tommy, who
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: is possessed by the memory, the tortured memory of Jason.
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  Speaker 2: Do you believe that his influence or Jason's spirit or
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: something caused this murderous rage to happen, because it does
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: seem weirdly like, oh, he just can't like a magical
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: like you know, like this like all of a sudden,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: like this guy is enraged to the point of murder.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's well, I guess those liberal pussys
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: failed and we didn't do the right thing and put
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: this man away.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: And it's like like like this kind of approach to
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: mental health is they should just kill all the creation,
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: just lock away the wackos. Right. Yeah, so it's like
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: it's very mental health negative. It's just like yo, even
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: like the guy like they just unravel the body and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: like a sinister look up and he's like fucking he
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: calls the kids fuckingu Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Literally immediately there, it's like he shows what you guys deserve.
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: This is what all of you fuckers deserve.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: But our boy Roy is very affected, but in a
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: kind of slithery kind of like shifting the shiftiest way possible.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: He's like starts kind of glancing around and he's like
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: you can tell that that like the actor has the
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: stage direction that he knows that this is his kid
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: that's been murdered. Yeah. So spoiler alert, but the dead
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Joey is the son of one of the paramids of
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: our boy Roy. Of our boy Roy, who's gonna be
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: very consequential in the movie. We'll find out. But he
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: shiftily looks around. He has very like important Danny mul
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: rout from Saw Energy Le And this movie actually employs
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of importance onto the Danny mulroon characters. It's
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: laurifying the Danny mul rudeness of Jason actors in a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: way where it's like no, no, no, they're consequential, but
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: to move Jason's plot forward. But we don't know what
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: Jason's plot is in this movie, which is what the
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: movie is. Kind of like the outrageous move that the
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: movie makes.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it also feels a little bit like it's
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: a parody of Yes, it's horn parody of Jason. Like
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: because even the Greasers are like, remember the fifties, guy,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: it took place in the fifties, the first one.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Remember Greasers. Maybe they'll come back in the early nineties. Guys,
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: we don't know. It's the future. It's true, it's true.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: And you know, like Vinnie and Pete, the two Greasers,
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: Vinnie is like, hey, Pete, get fucking fixing this fucking car.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: You fucking loser. We gotta get out of here. I'm
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: gonna go take a shit in the woods.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Well, the appeals to masculinity are so cartoonish, and there's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: like chadness of the like guy characters who just end
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: up being kill counts four. Jason is really interesting because
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: it's kind of commenting on that like alpha chattiness of like, look,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: these guys are gonna get fucking slaughtered, and the sluts
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: get slaughtered too. Everyone's getting slaughtered. You know. It's like
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: it's kind of like Jason's the true beta dude, He's
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: the true He's the true Delta.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: It's it's the first time the movie does take a
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: very very like judgmental turn onto all the characters that
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: are trying to have fun or like do something.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: That's but but it's so parody though. Yeah it's not.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It's not really happening in a fun atmosphere though, either
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: because this is whether or not this is like a
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: fun place. It's still an institution and it's still for
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: people who have mental health issues. So it's like not
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: going to be the happiest place.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: No, totally totally, And we get our first real kill
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: by Jason quote unquote, uh and he shoves a fucking
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: I At first, I was like, why did he have
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: a torch light? Thing has like a he has like
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: a like a side like a flare, yeah, which he
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: shoves into the mouth of one of the one of
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: the Greasers. That was a cool one of the one
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: of the few, like really good looking, kind of like
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: glob dum in a movie that had very little of that. Also,
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: like back to very low budget Jason, Like in terms
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: of like how big budget Part four was, this feels
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: like a downgrid or like a like a not as
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: well spent money way. Yeah, you know what I mean,
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Like I don't think this director necessarily knew even what
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: to do with a budget. Some of it, Yeah, feels
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: a little bit like kill County. How can we get
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: this guy in there? And kill this guy too? Oh
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: that's a good one, you know, because they kill Pete
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: as well. Just immediately he just like slits his throat.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just basement now. It's just basement now. Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Tommy now wakes up and we see his jacked body
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: and he's taking like I guess thor zine or some
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: sort of zene.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some sort of antidepressant or something.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: But there was a lot of stuff where Jason would
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: appear in the mirror and then he would turn around
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: and he would be gone.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: I like that that kind of stuff.
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: It was cool because making the differences known, like Jason
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: haunting this guy and then also like Jason wearing a
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: different mask later and you're like, WHOA.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: What's going on, What's going on? What's going on?
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: But this is also the movie also unfortunately doubles down
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: on the same problems I had with the fourth one,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: which is too many characters, not enough of the characters
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: are connecting with each other, like Pete and Vinnie, the Greasers,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: like they have nothing to do with anything. It's just
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: like bodies, right, whereas like you've got so much stuff
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: that you can like mine. Like Reggie, Reggie and his
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: grandpa have such good chemistry where it's like like they're like,
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: come on, dude, like you know, like be chill, it's fine,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: we're here. We're having a good time with these crazy people.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: And like the grandpa is like a cook for them.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: But he like just takes Reggie to learned not to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: be crazy.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: That's what it seems like. No, I think it's like
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: the summer and Reggie has nowhere else to go, maybe
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: staving with his grandfather for the summer or something. I
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: don't know. He's a little kid, right. It's cool also
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to like add again because we have an adult Tommy
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: in this, or like a like a I don't know,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: older Tommy in this. We have we have a thirty
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: five year old Tammy on this. We have a again
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: like that tween that that that really is the audience
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: for these kinds of movies, And at this point we
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: need that proxy because I feel like any kid could
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: relate to Reggie. Yeah, Reggie's amazing.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: It just feels a little bit like no one is
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: that concerned that like two people have one guy got
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: killed and another guy got taken away to prison.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and everyone's like, huh, I accidentally set the wrong
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: amount of plates, and like no one seems You're right,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: no one seems too concerned. But it's like, hey, guys,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: this thing happened, and it's like it's commented on as
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: like just the plot moving device, Like now we have
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: to get to the next scene because of it, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: the next scene is fucking Tommy's souplexing this outrageous total dude.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I loved it when he's like hitting him and you're
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: just like, whoa dude, what the fuck is up with this?
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Dude? It's kind of cool, like allowing that level of
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: menace from a character other than Jason in the movies.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought that was stuff that should have been
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: mined more, like if we're setting up Tommy to be
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: the new Jason, it needs to be there, needs to
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: need it to be a little bit more where it's like, oh,
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: did did Tommy do this?
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: What's happening? You know what I mean?
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Because like the fourth one did this too, where it
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: was like kind of missed opportunities that were ready for like,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: oh man, this could have just been so much tighter. Yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: this it feels a little bit like all over the place.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Well what it lacks for though in like coherence, I
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: think it makes up in hubrious in a way. And
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: so I like I had a lot of fun watching it,
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: Like I did too.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I like it wasn't taking it seriously, No, I don't know.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: You're right, you're right. And because because we cut to
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: the mom, the hick mom cutting the head off the chicken,
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: disgustingly touching chicken, raw chicken, and then touching other things
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: in the house doing the like trope of like violence
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: towards animals in the movie. In the movies, like we've
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: seen also some more cat throwing in this one, which
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: we get definitely.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: She picks up a gun because some other drifter fucking
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: comes and it's like it's literally a porno scene where
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: she he's like, hello, man, I'm here.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: I need to eat. I need to eat, but I'm
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: aim to earn my keep, you know what I mean,
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Like that you clean the ship. Yeah, you're done cleaning
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: the ship. I'll fill your belly. I fill your belly
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: if you fill my pussy. That's what it seemed like.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, I was expecting that. And then the like
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: idiot son comes and jerks off in the total Yeah so,
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: but this lady is hot likes not old either. Know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: she's young. She's like clearly young, as young as the guy.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: He might even be younger than the I don't know,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: but they like really did her up in like old
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Lady Dragon. I think I think this movie knows that
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: it's doing that. It knows that it's doing that, it
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: knows that this looks like that.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think so too, because this is
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: the only one the only other time Roy comes in, uh,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: and and the sheriff or whatever is like, I don't know,
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: it seems like Jason is happening.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: And Roy's really shifty again because he hears stuff about
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Jason and he's just like justice. No, He's like, hey, Roy,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: it's just Chice. No. Well then then what his name that?
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: That fucking Mitoslov looking dude, the mustache guy coming pulling
• 30:06
  Speaker 3: in so hard into this like diner cafe, being like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: well let's do coke baby, He come on out.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: He's got the most a mirror energy. Have you ever
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: met a mir No? Well, he's got like this this
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Bosnian kid I went to school with, and and and
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: this is the this is the energy this guy has,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: This Midoslov guy has. And he comes up and he's
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: just like, hey, baby, wants the lines off my cock
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: And she's like, sure, do hold on, let me just
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: get dulled up for you. And she looks she inspects
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: her buoys in the mirror.
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Man that seem where it was just like she just
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: rips off and it's like, whoa dude, I mean, okay, I.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Think she wants to know how it's gonna look when
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: this guy rips her skirt open sort of thing or
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: rips her her dress open. I don't know, like obviously hilarious,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: it's obviously like it's very much like yeah, and he
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: like pulls down the thing to let his coke down,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: and he's just like snorting lines off a tiny mirror. Yeah,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: it's very Franco Energy is like you drink movies, porn
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: movies and yeah, no, I make movies. I love that
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: that that was where his mind went, of course, because
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: they they would have said films, you said movies, the
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: kinds of movies I watch. Yeah, these days. Yeah, I
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: got some tapes. It's very Leadlarry energy. Oh, totally, absolutely, yeah. Yeah,
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: and where are we We're at.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: Where the where meadowslov is at the diner and he
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: gets killed.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: He gets like chopped in the face or like chopped
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: head off.
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: Well, she she gets into the car and he's missing,
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: and then she sees the lines of coke on the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: floor and she's like, to waste this movie, I know,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Totally there's a lot of that was a lot of cocaine. Yeah,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: like totally, that was like eighty bucks all over the
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: seat there.
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, he's in the back seat like dead.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Yeah, kicking in the front seat, Dicket in the back seat,
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: his name my friends, It's Friday, Friday, Friday, thirteenth Friday.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: And then she she sees the axe with his looming body.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: Uh, and she gets chopped. I got to give credit
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: to the movie and on this very Jason part, it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: a very menacing Jason part that I think enough honors
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: the lore of Jason that I wasn't like, you know that,
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: I didn't feel like I got any Jason in this movie. Yeah, totally.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: So I was like this, this was a cool Jason moment,
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: this one specifically. Also boiler suit Jason introducing the boiler
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: suit Jason. Yeah, totally. And also Jason as like dead
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: or was he boilersuit in the last one? I think
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: he might have been boiler suit in the last one too. Okay, okay, sorry,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: what we're you gonna say?
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Just but Jason standing in the daytime staring at Tommy
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: through the window and then Tommy being like no, and
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: then seeing nobody there. I like, I like Jason in
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: the daytime.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: It is scary. One ear Jason. Jason also didn't say
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the one ear Jason, hangy ear Jason Bishop to Jason. Yeah, Yeah,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: like his his like low sitting one ear that just
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: sticks out more. That was like an interesting touch. We'll
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: talk about whether or not you think this Jason is laurified,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: because I feel like there's arguments to be made on
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: on many sides. But yeah, what happens after he kills
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: the Helen Hunt character. What happens is we get the
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: Jaws scene from Jos I should say, from Jaws where
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: the mayor is like, what are you doing, sheriff? How
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: could you let this happen to my town? And the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: sheriff is just like, it's Jason Vorhees I mean Jaws,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I mean Jason Varney's totally totally it's that. And he's
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: like Jason Vorgyz is nothing but ash this and tries
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the tooth. This guy looks like my.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: What's it called my manager at my building, very like
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: Albanian guy energy. I loved the sheriff. I thought the
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: sheriff was amazing.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought so too. I thought like the kind
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: of has like a mystical he what he lacks in competence,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: he makes up for in being magical about Jason. He
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: is magical about Jason, but he doesn't do anything. No
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: none of them do anything, and it sucks. They're also ineffectual.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: It's also the movie Judging the Cobs. Yeah, it's true,
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: it's it's a very I think it's very anarchistic. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: think it's this is anarchism, Jason, because it's like pornos
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: sex murdering people and no one could do anything to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: stop you. Actually, yeah, and yeah, it's very mistrustful of institutions, Jason. Definitely.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: Eddie and Tina go off into the forest to have
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: sex and smoke marijuana.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she shows off her boobies.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: Of course, this one's the prettiest lady in the she's
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: very They're all so gorgeous. Everybody's so gorgeous in this.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think anybody's the prettiest. I was like, this
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: was like everyone was like everybody was porn.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody, everything pointed it out.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: She was like, this movie's very sexy. It's like she's
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: it's it's very like it feels like a porno.
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, it does feel like a porno.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: And then the drifter guy comes in and watch.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: He's, oh my god, he's like couck energy of like
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: jerking off in the shadows and then just get stabbed
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: and he just goes away. And it's kind of like
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: that's what you get for for for being illoming jerk off.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: And also the fucking eye stabbing. This is like another case. Yeah,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: she gets stabbed in the eyes, he gets his eyes
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: get covered, and he gets he twists and pushed into
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: the like mushy ahead. Man.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was just so many things that were like, oh,
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: I thought I was.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Gonna see a heead go. There was no tom Savinia this.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, dude, they couldn't do it without him,
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: But yeah, he comes back and she's like flipped over
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: and he's like hey baby, and he turns her around
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: and there's just no eyes and.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: I was just like scared. I was like I was
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: it was like so goofy. Yeah, I mean it did
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: have some moments of goop, dude, but it was more
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: like yeah, after aftermath.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but this is like where shit
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: starts happening, where it's like, Okay, we're halfway through the movie.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Tommy's not really the main character. The counselor what's his name, Matt,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the doctor isn't really the main character, but they try
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: something with Pam, and it's like Pam has a lot
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: of empathy, but she's also taking Reggie well.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: She gets the emerging scream Queen and last Girl treatment. Yeah, totally,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: which I bought. The terms of this movie, Yeah sure.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I just feel like I wish there was a little
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: bit more. If you're not gonna focus on the kills
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and you're not gonna give us some goop and some grime,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: like have some character. I need to like connect with somebody, right,
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: you didn't. I just feel like Tommy I can to
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: because he was from a different movie, and like it's
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: it's cool connected Reggie. I connected to Reggie too, but
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like Reggie, Reggie is like de facto kind of a
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: new Tommy. They kind of wanted to do the same thing, right,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: and then we get like, oh man, there, I gotta
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: say the interaction little were like the interaction between the
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: brothers was like it was very cute. It was very cute.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: These guys were like wholesomely wholesome party. I know.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: It was like they were both so happy to see
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: each other. It was really nice, and it was like
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: it was like brothers. And then he's like and then
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: Reggie's like gets a boner because he's like thirteen and
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: he's like, whoa, this is your girlfriend.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: This is my girlfriend, Pam. That was everyone was with
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: the pot smoking. Yeah here you want to be Reggie
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: just kidding, Yeah, have some pot instead.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: But yeah, and then but then uh reckle not reckless demon?
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Uh Demon? What the brother was like, do you wana? Man?
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like Demons a great name, damn totally wants to.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: He's also he's also really into Pam, but he he
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: loves his girlfriend and and.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: So many people take a ship in this movie, dude.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: So he has these fucking enchiladas where he's like, oh no,
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: you want to choice some of these ladas. And thankfully
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: Reggie doesn't have any of his enchiladas because it causes
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Demon later to have a ship. Yeah, who's flushed the
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: toilet with that set dust stand.
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: While at the same time, Tommy is getting harassed by
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the son of the Hick and he's like, what.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Are you doing? What are you doing here? You're crazy?
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Huh You're crazy, and he's like jabbing at him, uh,
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: until he fucking beats the shit out of him too.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Oh man.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he like like the karate moves dude, and it's
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: like a totally different guy, a different jacked guy with
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: like a fucking mullet wing.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: It was so funny, dude, it was amazing he had
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: he legitimately had like vand whoa dude, that was cool. Yeah.
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: Uh, And they like drive off to chase after Tommy
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: and the Hick is like, mom.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: He's like a radically riding a motorcycle and like fucking
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: chopping at the like things and like recklessly smashed. He's
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: the real Reggie the reckless. Absolutely, She's like driving this
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: car motorcycle recklessly and like gets his head chopped off.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: The only like funny like prop kind of like a
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: goo goopy prop in this movie. But before that, Juwanna
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: man is taking your ship while his girlfriend is shaking
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: the fucking outhouse and she and he's like, I'm fucking
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: killing bitch, fucking kick your ass. What does he do that?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Because it's I don't know, because he's violent towards her
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: because I'm taking the ship. Uh.
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: And then.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: The implication was that he was gonna hit her. Really yeah,
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I got that. I felt I
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: thought it was like a playful interaction. I mean, it
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: was but then he was like, I'm fucking kill you bitch?
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: Does he say? That's pretty sure? He does say it,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: and then without wiping his ass. Yeah, neither of the dudes.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: The gracer doesn't wipe his ass either. Where's he going to?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: It's true? It's true? What is the s show?
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: And he tries to open the door and Tina's falling
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: off onto the door and he's like.
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: And then Jason is like jamming through uh Juana Man's
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: leg and then fucking finally kills him.
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: He does like the screw you. Yeah, he stabs in
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: the heart.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: And there's a lot of men crying in this movie,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: which I was like, oh.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Interesting, that's because it's scary, like yeah, and it's challenging
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: those tropes, dude, it's challenging the chats. And then we
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: get I think it's uh Jake who comes out with Jake, Yeah,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: with Violet and Robin and they're like the punker chick
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: and uh, the stuttering. You have to have a stutterer.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: Stuttering is like a mental illness to these people because they.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Because they don't know because yeah, they they saw the
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: color and yeah, they referenced one floor of the Cuckoo's
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: nest in this movie with the with the broken hospital window.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally, which we'll get to.
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: But so the h hit comes back to his mom
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: and he's like, it's such an outrageous scene, and like
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: what's interesting is like it is such a porno movie
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: director being like, I've got money, I can do these
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: cool shots. And he'll like stick on the camera onto
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: the motorcycle and drive it with the guy, or he'll
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: like stick it onto the back of the police car
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: with a glowing light and shit. But it's like you
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: can tell he was like saw these things in movies
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: that he was like, that's a cool shot.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Doesn't this director doesn't understand what
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a good movie is. No, you could tell. But but
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but I think despite that, he made an interesting Jason, Yeah.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: He made an interesting He made interesting choices like the
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: mom just throwing into this stew raw vegetables and then
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: being like it's done, and it's like, oh that's done.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: It seems uncooked.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: It's just it's that thing where like if you have
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: like a carrot or something and it's just like slightly
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: warm and got a little softer, but it's still very
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: hard inside yep.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: And then he gets his fucking head cut off and
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: nobody's making a sound and the mom is like, oh god,
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: thank god he's not saying anything.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And then she.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Hears the door like like slightly ajar and she gets
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: stabbed in the face and falls into the stew.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: So many random parts of this movie.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Well, it's like build up, build up, kill count stuff.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: You have absolutely no patience for this, it seems. No,
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: it's not that I don't have any patients for it.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: It's just like it's a little bit the other stuff
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: has like a lot more to talk about. To me.
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: I'm having a great time talking about these insane choice.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're insane fun choices.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But that doesn't like the movie, Well, yeah it is.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: And and like now, like there just feels like there
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: are scenes that should have happened way before. Like, oh,
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: like Jake the stuttering kid, is like really trying to
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: hit on on this girl that he likes Robin and
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: she's He's like I like you and she's like I
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: like you too, but like seriously, I want to make
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: love to you and she laughs at him, uh.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And he like runs away. Oh man, this was kind
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: of like the like heartbreak self rejection and like him
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: getting mad. It was It was very realistically handled. I
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: think that one of the only parts in the movie
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: that was the rejection was like so interestingly tender. Yeah,
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and like I don't know, he's so sad about it,
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: and you see that she later on regrets doing it. Yeah, totally,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: but like that she just laughed in his face because
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: she didn't know what else to do. It feels like
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like something that would happen like awkwardly, you.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Know, totally because then he goes to pursue the punker
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: check and is like.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: And she has no time for men because ever like
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: rivaling Crispin Glover Dan she's doing because she does this
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: like serious face look where she jets out her bottom
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: jaw and she's just like and she's like as an actress,
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: taking it so seriously, and I loved it. It was
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: my It was my favorite part of the movie. Her
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: face while she was dancing and just like slopey shoulders
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: doing the coolest, most robotic dance. It was amazing, dude.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I thought it was amazing. Like she was like, no,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I have to practice this, and she was practicing. She
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: was getting really good at it. Yeah, she was getting
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: so good at it. Rob took it out of this town.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Rob at his mental hospital.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Robi goes to bed, taking her shirt off so we
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: can see some movies and sees that Jake is dead
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: and then she gets killed stabbed through the bed by Jason.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: So another repeat kill of like stabbing up through underneath. Yeah,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and I thought it was cool. It was cool.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: What was interesting about the next skill where violent is
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: Violet is doing robot moves is when he comes in
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: quote unquote Jason comes into the room and she turns
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: around and he's not there, and he just like hid
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: in the closet. I love that because it's like that's
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: not what Jason would do.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: Jason would just go, he would loom and he would
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: be there. Yeah, he's at But hiding in the closet
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: is a not Jason, not Jason move. And I think
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: it was really interesting to see the things that get
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: laurified within Jason lore through not Jason, because I think
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: this movie laurifies not Jason. Yeah, you know, as ad Jason.
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Because he does do Roy is pretty strong though, like
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: he does lift.
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Her up by his hand. I think Roy has some
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: implied superhuman energy from like rage, revenge rage. Maybe yeah, probably,
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: but I still also something in me tells me that
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: there is a supportive, spiritual Jason element in Roy. Yeah,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: because he's able to do things where he's kind of
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: channeling Jason. He stabs up through the bed, he does
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: some Jason things, but decidedly not other.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: J Well, he does do decide he does. At the end,
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: we've realized he's been following the Jason things.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I know he's a copycat. I know, I understand that
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: he's a copycat, but I don't buy just the copycat.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I think there's a spiritual element.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Well, this is another move that he Jason would never do,
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: which is Reggie wakes up and comes up the stairs
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: and all the bodies are piled in one.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: That's true, that.
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: Would he would just leave the body to like crumple
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: down or like or like or something fall.
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: Out of a funny place. Pam comes back all out
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: of a like a like a closet or something. But
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: he does throw a gun through the window though. He
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: does though, which is not Jason.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: When when Pam comes in is like shrieking at Reggie
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: being like, what's going on?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: What are you doing? Like shaking him, and then she
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: goes into the road. The way we have to talk
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: about the way she's shaking. It's such a weird It's me, Pam, Yeah, totally,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: what it's me, Pam, Yeah, totally, it's me.
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: Oh lord.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Lilas said the same, it's me. It's me, oh load.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: They run downstairs terrified, and Roy breaks down the door
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: with a new Jason mask.
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, some would say, some would say a cooler Jason
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: mask it is.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: It's got the like the lines on the side of
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: the fire. You know the Simpsons joke where Homer enters
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: the contest, like the kid contest to make a better
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: power plant, and he just remakes regular power plant. And
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: he says he thinks these racing stripes look pretty sharp,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: and mister Burns goes, agreed, Yeah, totally, that's what I
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: was thinking. The racing stripes on Jason's mask are good
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: and agreed. Agreed.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Pam and and Reggie run out into the woods and
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: they open up the ambulance that's there, and the ambulance
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: driver who laughed at the dead body of Joey was
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: brutally murdered, as he should be. That's like a good,
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: good kill. A satisfying kill revenge kill, Yeah, totally.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Reddy sneers as he like uncovers the dead body of
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Joey in front of Roy, our boy Roy.
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Reggie runs back into the woods and Pam runs after
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: him and Matt the doctor. Matt is just fucking so
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: unceremoniously killed off the screen.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: He's spiked through the head, Yeah he does. And I
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: kind of was like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: Just because we've always we've had like a couple of
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: these kinds of guys.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I'm like, these dead Yeah, this guy the movie said,
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: fuck this guy. It's a disrespect I think that the
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: next thing that happens is we get our fucking iconic
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: barn scene, isn't it.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Know what happens is uh Sham runs back into the house.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: And Reggie hero mode Jason fucking throws Grandpa, Reggie's grandpa
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: through the window with his eyes cut out. So he
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: does a Jason move by throwing a body through the window.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And how does he have the strength to throw the
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: body through the window. We don't know. It's an adult,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like like large man that he fucking throws through a window.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe he's got some spiritual possessor quality. I
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe.
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: He does, but Reggie does get his cool hero moment
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: to where he drives the tractor that we saw earlier
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: the front, Yeah, with the pushy front of course.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: And you push you from Jason into the chest. But
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: not before like Pam has the most intensely like pornographic
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: slobbery runaway sequence where she's like literally like writhing on
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: the ground in the most like sloppy, wet, like wet
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: t shirt.
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: No bra, can you writhe a little bit? Yeah, he's
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: coming after.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: You're scared. Yeah, you're real scared, and and like he's like,
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: you'll make it in this town. Baby, and her like
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: baby bangs have like stuck to the side of her
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: face with wetness she's covered in. It's it's very porn
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: girl with these like boots, these sexy boots that she's wearing.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: Did you notice, yes, the like with the like chunky top,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: very iconic look that she has. But she's writhing and
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: like continued watching the movie from this point with me,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: and she was like she could literally get up, and
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: it was like it's funny. It's just funny that she
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: can't get away from him, Like it's this is the parody.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: This is her being it is.
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: But what's cool about the parody aspect of the movie too,
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: is that man like he gets up and there's like
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: a whole two three minute sequence of just Jason and
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: and he touches his stomach and see you see that
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: he's bleeding right, and.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: It's like and you could tell that he's like he's hurt.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: His hurts and he like walks over to the barn
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: and it's a little bit it is menacing. It's scary
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: because of it, but he's so.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: Normal guy, like turning around and like looking for these people.
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: It's not possessed person or like dead eyed person. He
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: kind of wakes him up in this moment because he
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: pushy fronts him.
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: He does push you front of him, but he is
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: like looking and the eyes, the eyes, the fact that
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: you can see the eyes and it's like it feels
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: like a different person.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: It's very interesting. Maybe maybe by ghostly Jason spirit uh
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: theory has no weight, dude.
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: But then Pam comes out with a fucking chainsaw and
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: she's like chainsaw fighting Jason.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Very cool. It is a great scene. It's a very
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: great scene. And she like actually chops him with this
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: with the chainsaw, and Reggie's like cheering her on, yeah,
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: in a in a very excited way, in a very
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: kid like way, and and she like hits him. But
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: did you think, like the cheering on is not realistic
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: also because if you were actually in a situation like that,
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: you would just be terrified. Yeah, totally.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: And then what happens is she hits the knife and
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: Tommy gets there, uh, and Jason goes to loom towards him,
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: and but Tommy is having a very different kind of
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: experience than than Roy is, which I love. I love
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: the clash of the two trauma in this totally totally,
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: because it's like he thinks he's facing the real Jason
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: and this guy is like, these kids need to die
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: because because I am mad.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, and they had you're you're right. It's
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: like the different the way the different traumas act up
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: and they're kind of not really aware of each others.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: And Tommy stabs Jason and the dick.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Oh Man, dick stab was amazing. It was such a
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: fucking hilarious choice to totally. And of course he uses
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: his cool knife with the like like gold trim.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Of course, and then Jason tries to like hobble his
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: way up the fucking stairs to get to the upper barn.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Part you always need a barn. I thought they were
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: gonna push Jason down, and he comes upstairs, and Tommy's
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: playing dead to be dead, but I don't know, man,
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: Like I feel like Tommy would be catatonic, like you'd
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: be like so concerned that Jason was around.
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: And then Reggie, like hiding behind a thing, like, gets
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: up and Jason starts to like stab at him while
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: Pam grabs an axe and we see like the spikes
• 56:27
  Speaker 3: at the bottom of the fucking hay thing. Uh, and
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Tommy fucking not.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: To Reggie pushes him off, but but Jason has crabbed
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: onto the side of.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: The still of the barn and he's pulling Reggie down.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: But then.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Tommy wakes up and he's like grabs grabs the fucking
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: machete and he cuts Jason's arm off, and he spikes
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Jason onto the floor and the fucking mask falls off
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: and you just see.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: The ripped open face of the underneath the mask he
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: was wearing, the face he wanted to. He's like he
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: understood that Jason isn't just the face hockey mask. He understood.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: It's also the like gross like fucking meat around it. Yeah,
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: so I love that there's like lurification of the meat
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: meat face. Yeah, it knows the Jason's meat face before
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: the mask sinks into the the body.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: But then the cop comes and he's like, well, this
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: was Joey's, this was Roy's kid, Joey, this annoying guy.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: We've we've found out through our very great police work
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: that this guy was just a copycat killer. It's just,
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: you know, five years later, we could have guessed from
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: how shifty he was being in all those scenes that
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: he showed up and the two seeds he was in.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: And then.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: Oh man, Pam comes into the room and there's this
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: insane old lady nurse who was like yes, yes, she
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: was not doing anything.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: She goes into the room where Tommy is being held
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: after this like very traumatic like encounter that they've had
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: with not Jason, and he's being hospitalized, and the old
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: lady nurse is just sitting yes, happy, very freddy, Danny
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: mail Root energy, It's so freddy.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: And then and then Tommy like pulls out a knife
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: from under his gown and stabs Pam and then it's
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: very Freddy nightmare and Elm Street.
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: Well that's why there was a nightmare on Elm Street.
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: Danny mal Room. Now, do you think that this is
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: like canonically Jason including Freddy Lore into Jason. You think
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: so this was this ending.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: This epilogue was cool though, Like when when when he
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: wakes up and he sees Jason looming over him.
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: It's a long epilogue.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: It's a long epilogue, and like he.
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: Wants to explain a lot, it wants to be like, hey,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: this is all the stuff, this is all the story
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: you didn't get in the movie.
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: Jason's mushy face and disappearing, like when he kind of
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: is like there and then kind of invades Tommy's body,
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just like he disappears
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: because Tommy is just him now, you know what I mean.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, So this is my question, This is my question
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: if we're talking about law, if we're talking about Laura,
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: and we need to we need to mind this foreside
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: lare Okay. My theory is that maybe Jason's deep dark soul,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: which is in lives within Tommy, is activated through this
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: series of activating Jason events. Yeah, probably maybe maybe the
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: spirit caused the murder to happen in order to possess. No,
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: I don't I'm still in the possessor mindset. I totally
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. But wait, what happens? What happens?
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: He becomes Jason, He gets up, he takes his needle
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: out of his hand violently.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: And he goes to the table where he saved the
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Roy's Jason mask and he puts it on and Pam
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: comes in to check on him, and it closed. She
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 3: closes the door behind her, and Tommy is now dressed
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: as Jason with a knife and he goes to stab
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: her and then it fades to black.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess to just let anyone be Jason there,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: I guess, so, I guess. So so weird movie, very
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: very very weird movie for all the reasons we outlined. Uh,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: what did you make of it? Though? Like, what did
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: you Because I know this is not gonna score high,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be surprised by that, but what
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: did you like? Like for me? For instance, like Reggie
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: getting that hero moment is amazing?
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Like I liked a lot of it. I
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 3: just wanted it to cohere a bit. If we're gonna
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: focus on Tommy, like, put more Tommy in it. Just
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: put more Tommy in it. Because Pam is cool, that's fine,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: But it just like Pam.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: They would have stayed, Reggie could have stayed, Tommy could
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: have stayed. They could have done with like maybe like
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: four less characters.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: Four less characters, or get them off like pretty early.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I like a revenge plot with Roy.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 3: It feels like a little bit in the same vein
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: as the drifter thing in the last movie, where it's like, WHOA,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: some drifter told you about this?
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Well, do you like copycat Jason?
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: I like copycat Jason. I think you could do copycat Jason.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: The reason that that's okay with me is that he's
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: not quite dead yet. He's not the real Jason, right,
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: But I like the like sort of implication that there's
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 3: some sort of invasive, invasive, haunting spirit that's going through
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: like Pamela and then Jason and then him.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: It does seem like several of them are at moments
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: in the movie magically kind of possessed. The way that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: it's shot gives it kind of like this like sinister
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 2: dreamlike quality where it's like this like passing of like
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: violence sort of thing where it's like, no, now you
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: have the spirit of violence, you know. I don't know.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm being annoying with that theory.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 3: No, I think that that's interesting. It's just like I
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 3: recently watched Long Legs, which is also in that vein.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: You'll see it's not really a spoiler in that vein
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: of like, oh no, like so what is it to
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: what the kinds of questions it's asking, But it coheres
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: in a better way. It's it's like a movie.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Like that made now is definitely going to be made
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: with more intention than Jason five. Yeah, exactly. The best
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: Live is the best one. Yeah. I'm excited to see
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: the ending of the trilogy with Tommy. That's cool. I'm
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: very excited for that.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: I just wished some of the stuff that was in
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: this one was more in the last one.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: Tommy Jenkins, Lord, dude, Yeah, totally, totally. Tommy Jenkins had
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: the same sort of problem.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: Because like right at the beginning of the movie, you
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: get Corey Feldman and then you get older Corey Feldman,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: and that's cool, like because like it's bridged the gap
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: it's kind.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Of seamless in that regard. Apparently is a new actor
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: in the next one, dude, Oh really, it's recast.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 3: Even better, inconsistent in even better. The point is is that, like,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: that's fine, I can, I can sort of deal with that.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: It's the fact that it's like, Okay, you did that,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: but then chose not to focus on him for so
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: much of the movie.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like so much. That was your same complaint about
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: the last the last.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: One, Yeah, where it's like you had so much to
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 3: get from from these interesting things, which is contrast that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: with Freddy, where it's like, oh, this is a new
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: angle of ready that I haven't seen.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: This is a new angle of.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Like Alice's character or Heather langing camp or what's in Nancy.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: That's awesome, that's awesome. Sure, yeah, you know, but but
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: we are getting some of that with Tommy. We are,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: we are, We're getting like continued lore.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: But this is why I'm I've never really like connected
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: with Jason in the way that I did with with Nightmare,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: because it's like so many things are happening that are
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: much more earned in that series than in this one.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: This one, I think, but I think this one this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: one is about how they recreate the circumstances that we
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: know we're gonna get. It's more like Saw in that regard,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: because it's going to give you the traps, it's gonna
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: so in this in this case, it's gonna give you
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the kills. It's gonna give you all of the tropes,
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: but it's going to repackage them in a different sort
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: of way. And like it's the way that we see
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: that come back that becomes the exciting thing about it, right,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: and that and that's I think that's fair where I
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: where I clash is the first You've got the first four,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: which like builds on who Jason is and like laurifies
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: that in a really nice way, and then all of
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: a sudden it pivots in this one to Tommy, who's
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: supposed to be our new sort of lead up to
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: Jason trauma traumatized into a Jason, and we don't get
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: enough time with him. Well see, but that's why to me,
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: it's important to know if it is that he's traumatized
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: into a Jason or if it's laurified that this one Okay, yeah,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: because I hope we get some answers and I hope
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: it is spirits because I like that. I like exciting
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: to me. Exciting to me about Jason is if it is?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: If there is, because he is going to be a
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: zombie guy eventually eventually, yeah, eventually he's we know he's dead,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: like eventually the movie the movies that are acknowledging that
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: he's rotting face Jason, And what would you give me hair?
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: What would you give it? Out of time? What would
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: I give it? Out of ten? I would give this
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: movie probably a six out of ten? Yeah, yeah, Like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I don't think it deserves more than that. I as
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: a movie, as an enjoyable experience, as a Jason experience.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: Now see, I don't know how fair it is to
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: market out of Jason's but I do think that this
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: movie is the beginning. It's a new beginning, and it's
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: the glorification of not Jason. And how Jason can not
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Jason be in this case, I would say pretty Jason, like, well,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: I mean, wait till you get to robot Jason too.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: But I'm sorry nanotechnology Jason. But which asks the real question,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: if you replace pieces of Jason, is he still Jason?
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Well that's why it has to be spiritual Yeah, totally.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I would give it like a six point five.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: I was down, I had like a really good time
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 3: and there was like some nice boobies and fun stuff.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: I enjoyed all of the like sexy stuff.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah sure, but I just I wasn't impressed by the kills.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: They cut away a lot of stuff that.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Was kind of a little bit. See here's my theory.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: You don't see the kills in this movie the same
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: way you don't really see Jason in this movie. Yeah. True,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: And maybe that kind of makes it okay, or maybe
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: that's a bit of a cop out for a movie
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: that just didn't actually get the chance to do the
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: things that it might have wanted to.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: But you know what, I will give it points for
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: the fact that it's hard trying something new, getting a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 3: new director, getting new writers, being like what.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: Do we do and taking a big swing, like taking
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: a randomly big swing.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 3: Because that's also what was so impressive about Saw ten
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: and some of the other Saw sequels, where you're just.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: Like, oh, that's what you're gonna do. You fucking killed
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: your main character in the third one, you know. See,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: the thing is like, if I don't know that there
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: are gonna be several other movies that are going to
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: create this like Bigger Backloor. Yeah, I might look at
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: this and be like, oh man, what a shitty installment,
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, how could they do this to the character
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: of Jason. That's why last.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Time when I was like, you know, hesitant to be
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: like I don't like this one, it's not that I
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 3: didn't like it. It's like there's cool stuff about it.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 3: There's so many goonies about it, but it just feels
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: like it feels a little bit like, ah, well, this
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: is this like as a movie by itself, It's like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: it wasn't the best, but like it's fun, and like
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: this one is also in that same vein. But I
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: like the fourth one more than I liked this one.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well the fourth one is a better movie.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: The fourth one is a much better movie, and all
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: the things that that this one did is just the
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: worst version of that where it's like, yeah, that one
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: cohere again, coheres more?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Is that a word? Cohere?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: I don't know, it's more coherent than than the last one,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: but you know, boobies.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: Okay for Jason's Okay, that's what the question is like
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: for fairly Kid. So I feel like the fact alone
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: that we're marking it out of Jason's is I'll give
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: you why. I'm telling you I'm giving it four too.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: No I can. I'm also going to justify my four.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: I'm giving it a four as well. And I would
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: say that the fact that he's not in it in
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: a way, but is how did.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: You guess the original the other guy from the other
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: one is in the dreams there?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: That's amazing, Ted, What is it? Ted?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: I think, hold on, Ted, let me let me double check.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: So I'm not spreading fake news fake.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: News, But I think that that's a cool touch, like
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: to like have him be spiritually there is an important
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: move on the part of the movie and a part
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: of like on the part of continuing that Jason lore.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Because if it's a way that this sequel is still
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: honoring the past.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: What one of the actors, Dick Wiand stated, it wasn't
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: until I saw A Bard five that I realized what
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: a piece of trash it was. I mean, I do
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: the series' reputation, but you're hoping that yours is gonna
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: come better. And the director I heard, Dandy Steinman, stated
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 3: that he shot a fucking borno in the woods there.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: You wouldn't believe the nudity they cut out. So yeah,
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 3: there was some more nudity. Wow, I mean yeah, that's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: that's it, you know. Tom Morga appears uncredited as Jason Vorhees.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: John Hawk appeared as Jason Vorhees in the dream opening
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 3: dream Sequence because Morga was unavailable when the scene was shot.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 3: He also performed the stunts where Roy fell off the bar,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: so it was two different Jason's in this one.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, so inconsistent Jason also like, I guess glorified because
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: we're not supposed to know who Jason is, and like, yeah,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: it's supposed to be very confusing if Jason is even Jason. Yeah,
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: I mean honestly cool. Yeah, slay, Let's let's let's keep going.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: Let's let's see what else Jason's got. But four four
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: for me because I'm like, I'm asking too many questions
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: about Jason. I want to know that that I want
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: to know not my boy Roy, but I want to
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: know that it's Jason.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, yeah, totally yeah for me, the the four
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: comes from the fact that, like we get dream sequence
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: Jason's I like a lot of the dream sequence Jason's
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: uh and the fact that invading, invasive spirit Jason is
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: in there, that's what gives me the se But is.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: That the case, we'll see you don't know. That's what
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: I'm like, That's what I'm feeling right now. I feel
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 2: you right here. Okay, well I know I know. More
• 1:11:59
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• 1:12:02
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• 1:12:24
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