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RHONY & Crappie Lake Recap with Aliza Rosen · Drama, Darling: A Real Housewives Comedy Podcast

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Drama, Darling Drama, Darling Drama, Darling. Hey, everybody, welcome
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back to Drama Darling. Maybe Phillips, it's your bitch life over here.
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I'm so excited. Today's Tuesday and what we've got, Like I have a
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little bit of a double duty today to do. We've got Real Housewives of
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New York, we have Crappy Lake, and tomorrow it's going to be below
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Deck down Under over on my Patreon. Also on Thursday, right here,
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wherever you listen to podcasts, it's going to be Melissa Reich, your bish
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therapist is going to join me and break down and give me her opinions on
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Orange County Friday over on my Patreon project Runway All Stars Today. Joining me
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is Eliza Rosen, an incredible lady. How are you Elisa doing great?
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Thank you? Amy a y R Media. How's it going over there?
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You got Queen of the Khan, which is an incredible podcast series. If
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come from an advertising background back way back in my day. I used to
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some level, but I mean not like they were. I remember like good
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old days. No oh, I remember. I know the good old days,
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people just smoking in the hall, drinking martini lunches. Anyway, I'm
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so happy to see you. This is very exciting, so happy. I'm
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loving your podcast. You are killing it. I don't miss an episode.
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I try not to. Let's say, my god, thank you, and
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Elisa, thanks for being a darling. And guys, if you are not
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so there'll be a great episode you guys will listen to and hear the news.
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all right, let's get into our New York recap. I'm so happy to
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finally be talking to you about New York. You and I have been on
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a journey about this for a long time, and I want to know,
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like you getting into this, were you like broad Strokes, you know,
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were you ready to embrace this new cast? Were you hesitant? Were your
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thoughts because you're not You're not just going to watch anything, Eliza. I
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tried. I've tried to get you to watch some things and you straight up
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told me no. Right. It took me, Listen, you know long
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it took me to watch vanderpupp and I regret every moment I wasn't watching it,
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right, that's right, ridiculous anyway, So it's an interesting question about
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New York because I'm going to be completely honest, which was I didn't want
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to see it. I just was not excited to dig in. But I
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thought, eh, everyone's gonna watch it. I got to be part of
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the zeitgeist, Okay, And I'm really happy I did. I am enjoying
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it. Listen, I don't think it's amazing. Yet I'm not like flipping
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out over it, right, some people are, Yeah, I'm flipping pleasantly
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Surprised by the first episode. I was like, I really enjoyed that episode.
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Then I thought, like they went too quick to the Hampton's What I
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what I really appreciate. Here's what I like. That's a really good point.
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Actually, yeah, wait, why are you guys already in the Hampton's
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pleasant? It's freezing where they just like, oh, the season's almost over,
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we have to and it was already off since it was way over.
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I remember. So right, here's what I like about this iteration. I
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think part of it it's so hard because it has nothing to do with Ronie
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So, I mean starting other that it's in New York like it's so I
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think it should almost be called something else, like like ladies in the City.
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It's like hot ladies, like they're all gorgeous. It's much more glamorous
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and chic. It's so chic. It is we have a Jory Kemsley drop.
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It's like so chic Jade Lee. It's like every restaurant did you notice
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that last night? Like our Sunday night, Like every restaurant because we had
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like the Upper east Side krusty our girls like you. There was like Bethany
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who was downtown, and Carol, but they were a bit of a different
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vibe. But overall it was like an older Upper east Side and that was
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like a specific New York. It should be called the Carrols because they're but
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just like a bunch of Carrols kind of, except she's so laid back.
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You're so right lazy. These women are so chic. They've got you know,
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fabulous apartments, fabulous wardrobes. They go to like the chicest coffee shops.
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So I'm really appreciating the money, the glamour and the very drop downtown.
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Yeah, exactly. And even the titles the main cars, Yes,
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those are like very cool, very chic, very wind shime chic, very
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wind chime. Look at that dog collar, So I really like that.
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And that are you talking about Jenna's strap? Is that what you mean?
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I think from Jamie about like like the opening credits with Jenna Lyons and she
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does have like some sort of leather strap in between. But I love it.
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Okay, So let me just talk about Jenni for a seconds. So,
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okay, I didn't ask, but can I talk about Jennifer. Let's
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let's talk about her all episode. Jenna is the shekst. She really is.
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Like, if I could have anyone's style in the entire world, I
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want it to be Jenna's. Like oh her, Yeah, Like I feel
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like my inner lesbian is ready to come out, like I didn't. I
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didn't know I had one. But I want her wardrobe. I don't know
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if it's but I don't even know if it's lesbian war. Okay, it's
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not. I mean as hell, I don't know. I don't know because
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like, yeah, probably not. It's just incredible, so spending time in
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her closet. She's definitely in her own show. I actually am not as
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like into her as a housewife as everybody else seems to be. She's a
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little too quirky for me, Like she doesn't fit in and she's not friends
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with any of these women. I feel like she's the round peg in a
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square hole. I didn't watch her a little bit of her HBO show You
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Know Where. She was kind of uncomfortable in that show too, even though
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that was more in her elements, right, right, she is a weird,
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uncomfortable. But if I could just like if the show was Jenna's closet,
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Yeah, I could just spend time in that closet and her pulling looks.
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I'm in as far as we're on the show, I'm not sold.
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And then did you see the scenes from next week where she's like, I'm
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single again? Because the whole thing was that. Did you see it or
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know? No? I don't remember. Well I thought I saw scenes from
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next week, but I do not remember that. It just washed over me
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like a shower. Yeah, she's like they're at that event with the anniversary
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party and she was like, I'm single again. They're like, oh my
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god, how many weeks? She was like a few weeks. But we've
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never seen that met her serious girlfriend that allegedly they're together still, I don't
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even know. So they have gone in Instagram official, so she has put
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her out there. That annoys me. It annoys me that she's left this
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massive chunk of her life and that she's been allowed to do that like it's
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one thing for kids, which I understand, you know, especially in these
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were like stuff. It just goes to show how much Bravo wanted Jenna Lyons
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that they would allow her to leave that out. They wouldn't have they wouldn't
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have agreed to that with any any housewife. It was because she was such
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a catch, because I mean, if it wasn't for her, she's really
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one of the she's the kingpin I think of the show. She's the most
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recognizable, she has, the most notoriety. She has. She's really the
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first full time housewife that is a lesbian, you know. I mean Julia
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from Miami also is. But you know, that's also one of those things
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that she's not on what they weren't on Bravo when they started, they were
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just on Peacock, so technically, you know, and she's such a staple
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of New York that I think they were like, whatever you want to do,
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whatever you want to do. But I actually think next season, I
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think that her partner will be on because she looks like it was a slow
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burn and now she's posting her on Instagram and perhaps she will be a part
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of the show. Who knows she a photographer. Yeah, she's a photographer.
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Yeah that's what I thought. Yeah, I'm into it, Like I
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would love like that whole because I want to see like power lesbian downtown New
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York. Yeah, I want that scene. I totally agree. I'm all,
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I'm like, that's what. And I just feel like we're not really
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getting much with her now. I don't know, maybe we just had to
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wait till she was you know, comfortable. I mean, as as we
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can tell, she's very uncomfortable even in her own shoes, like even in
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her own millions of pairs of shoes. But I don't want to say uncomfortable.
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Maybe just like her, she's so quirky, her her personality is just
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like I just I can't. I'm I just I don't, you know,
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it's it's and it's very endearing, but maybe it just took She's like,
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she's not gonna jump into a cold pool of water. She's the kind of
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person who's gonna go one, you know, toe to time. And Bravo
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was probably like, look, take your time when you're ready, you know,
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so hopefully we get that else. I think you make such a great
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point. And her friend that came over and they were doing this whole thing
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with her closet. I was like, this is great, you know,
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Heather or whatever. I mean, I don't know who she is, but
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these are the kinds of people that I want to see she was giving me
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and again this is a dated reference, but she was giving me such Glenn
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close face vibe. I knew you were going to say that I love you
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so much. I was like, I know her, this is she.
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She is so New York, that woman in the best way. I'm like,
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bring me that curly hair with that funky like white tucked out shirt,
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like I loved it. Did you notice how she changed blazers midway through the
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scenes. Stop it. I screenshotted ice, screenshot it, Send it to
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me immediately. I need to get eyes on that. So she switched into
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like Jenna's one of Jenna's. Well, that's the thing. First I thought
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it was to you know, they filmed on different days, but apopholder,
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No, it's okay, we're good. Closer. Look, I'm trying to
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pull up my pictures. It was she had the same shirt on. She
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just decided to switch from a black blazer to a brown blazer. She said,
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fuck it here, wait, is there a chat or no? Could
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I oh sure? Oh no, text it to me. I don't know.
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Yeah, she just midway through the scene, She's just just like,
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you know what I'm gonna wear. You think it was Jenna's blazer. That
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it has to be. It has to be because they're going through her clothes.
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She just threw on a brown blazer. I just texted it. She
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brought a brown blazer with her. Oh yeah, right out of Jenna's class.
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I was like, wait, wait, wait what I know. I
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so wanted her to like go have sex with Michael Douglas and the Tribeca left
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and like on the kitchen sink, I you are. I was right there
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in my mind. And also just the way that you know, she was
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talking. She was like, we sell this, we sell, we keep,
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we sell, we love. That is New York. My piano player
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for my CABARETI is totally like that. Like I'll text him and I'll be
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like, okay, I'm working on the tickets. He's like, we love,
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and then I and that, you know, I know, it's everything
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is like we hate this, we love this. This is so stupid.
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You're so stupid, that's what he'll say. I'll like fit, I'll do
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like a you know, I'll do a new number or whatever, and then
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he hasn't hear. He's like, you're so stupid. We love I love
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listen. I just kind of thought but I don't think you're watching just like
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that, are you? No? I'm not interested. This show is everything
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just like that wishes because one of my biggest my biggest problems was just like
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that, which is the most upsetting part of all, is that I don't
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feel like we're in New York. They bear like sex and the city New
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York was the fifth character. Like everything New York literally mean they filmed it
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in New York. This is filmed in New York, and I feel like
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it's a sound set, a sound stage with Warner Brothers lot. This show
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is New York is the seventh character, Like it is front and center.
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It's making me, and it's like not the New York it is now,
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which is kind of it's like New York from fifteen years ago that I miss,
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And so I am into that vibe that you know it like even like
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size Brooklyn townhouse. Yeah, salivate, salivating. I agree, the salivation
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level is high for New York. And that's the thing about where when they
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were like we're gonna recast, how's this gonna go, How's this gonna go?
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I was never really that worried, because, to be honest with you,
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New York will never fail because of the backdrop of the city. You
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cannot go wrong. You just can't. I mean, hotly, You're always
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gonna find, you know, chic women in New York no matter what,
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whether they know each other or they don't. And from the luks of the
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way that this show is even going, sometimes you're like, do they even
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know each other? The way that they keep playing me stupid ass games like
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let's play you know who did that? I do, Let's play I didn't
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say this, I said that? Which one did I say? It's just
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like those are the tropes that I don't necessarily need when you guys know each
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other. The sex talk a little annoying because it's so forced. I certainly
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didn't like leaving on that last note over at Jessel's place about like this long
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have you gotten on? You got? You're on your knees? Oh if
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you have you broken the celiet? Can we stop with the sex shaming?
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Well? And also like that was the end of the episode, like maybe
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a little nervous, like this is oh we got guys. Yeah, I
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gotta say, maybe it's controversial, maybe it's not, but I think Jessel's
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holding the whole show together right now, like without her, no one will
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we even have You are so right because they are having to lean into her
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drama, her lack of a sex life and and no shame in that game
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by the way, her being a bit and weird, like, I love
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it, I love it. I love the scene with her and Aaron.
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Yeah, yeah, we're talking. She just gets up and Aaron just goes
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she's a lunatic. So that was my favorite part of the episode because I
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would so do that. I love Erin. Aaron and Jessel are my favorites.
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They're great because they are They're getting that friction that we kind of need,
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and I think it's thanks to Aaron. Aaron seems like she knows what
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she's doing when it comes to house wiffery, like but in a natural way.
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She's not trying too hard. Like my issue with Ci is she's trying
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way too hard. Oh cis trying too hard? You're right. Erin isn't
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doesn't appear to be trying too hard, but she and she's Sia. She's
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low key trying too hard because there's no reason for her to be like to
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say things like, well, we're very different people, and the way you
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are sometimes this makes me uncomfortable. I mean, those are some pretty harsh
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words. But Jessel, you know, fortunately for her, is on the
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defense and can act, you know, react organically, which is great.
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I mean I have to say an iconic moment, yeah, and I hope
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it becomes bigger, but it probably won't. Is Jessel saying Tribeca is up
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and coming like Amy has in New Yorker. That is legitimately the fucking most
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hilarious thing I've ever heard. For Aaron to say that is the most ridiculous
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comment ever. It's not an understatement, no, I mean, Flushing Queens
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is up and coming, like, yes, Tribeca even the John John days,
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it was already cool, like I mean when Robert de Niro moved there,
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like right that, which was like coming like fifty years ago. I
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mean fifty years ago. It's truly fifty fifty fifty. I did not know
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where they were in that coffee shop because I didn't put it together that they
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were in Tribeca. So did you know when when they were did you know
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what area they were talking about when they were in that coffee shop? Because
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I didn't know they were in Tribeca because that was like my area. Are
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they talking about it? I assumed. I can't remember why because maybe Aaron
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said She's like, oh, it's your neighborhood. I can't remember. But
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oh, that question what area of town does Jessel living because she's seems to
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have a loft, which was okay, downtown usually right, damn it because
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I I erased my notes from his first episode. But like, I'm still
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not tracked on where they all live. Oh, so we now know that
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Aaron lives in Tribeca. We know that Si lives in Brooklyn. Yeah,
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don't live about Uba. We know nothing about Uba nothing. Oh oh,
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Uba lives in Lincoln Wait, she lives in Square Washington Square, Lincoln Square.
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She lives near a park, Lincoln Park. Is it? No?
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Wait, Washington Square Parkquare Park. I think she lives there. Yeah,
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okay, so a lot of them live downtown, most of them, but
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Josill lives where where does? I don't know because she has a loft,
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so it's got to be Brooklyn. I think it's probably no, because she
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had to go over the Brooklyn Bridge in order to get to size. Remember
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she was in the car where they're twins and you're also by the way,
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you're not getting that many important people in fashion trekking to Brooklyn for an event.
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So she does. She definitely lives in Manhattan, Yeah she does.
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She lives in Brooklyn. Yeah, she just got that all white. Oh
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that that I was like, I can't that kind of decor is not like
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my thing at all, but I love to look at it. Yeah,
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I'm into her whole thing, like with her husband, like I love watching
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a train wreck about to happen or like like that. Everything about them is
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weird. Like I'm telling you, she is. Ye, she is what
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we need right now for that show to keep propelling for you are sorry she's
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the dark horse because it's like you know, when we were in the Hampton's
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and she's the little villain. Yeah, there were certain certain things that she
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was saying where I was like, Jessel needs to pop it up a notch
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because she's saying things that literally Ramona would say, but you would laugh when
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Ramona would say it, and you would also be like, you know,
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it would be blood curdling, but it would also be uh, it would
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be funny. So but when Jessel says it, You're like, eh,
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well, yeah, like if imagine Ramona getting that Christmas Tree not Neglige.
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She'd be like, this is the ugliest thing I've ever worn. Like it
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might be hilaria, but Jesse'll be like, I'll consund it. You're like,
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yeah, yes, it doesn't roll like it doesn't roll into comedy very
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well, but it's still giving something and we need that for sure. Like
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it's almost like she's got no self awareness, but she's also trying to be
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a good housewife at the same time, if that makes sense, Like she's
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not not aware of what she's doing, but she also is not aware at
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all. I can't explain it, Like I think her saying things like you're
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calling me a princess, you're calling me spoiled. I think she's doing she
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thinks she's doing something with that, Like, yes, she just said those
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lines, but that's not what's making her a good housewife. But she thinks
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it is. What's making her a good housewife is her freaking out about the
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neglig day not realizing it's fucking rude as hell and yang and why that's crazy?
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That is crazy. I also loved My favorite part was when she said
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to her husband Pavet, I love his name, by the way, and
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I love his like his whole demeanor is funny to the champagne with the carrot
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carot you that is, And she's like, what can you please stop embarrassed?
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Like you're embarrassing mate. Also that is so weird though, I mean
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weird. I just did this thing like a friend of mine over the summer.
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There she was like, oh I saw this thing on like Pinterest or
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Instagram and you put popsicles like fruit popsicles and a champagne glass. I was
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like, oh my god, that's amazing. And it was a so Santa
23:30
Clarita day. So me and the Santa Clarita Bonitas were hanging out and we
23:37
had we put these popsicles in our champagne and it was so delicious. So
23:41
it makes it like a fruity flavor. It's slowly melting, but a carrot
23:47
stick was are you really getting the carrot flavors? Are you just going to
23:51
eat the can with a shamas? It was so funny, it was okay,
23:56
So was stick it all right? That's fine. I didn't she had
24:00
humor from it. I mean I thought, I think he's a goofball,
24:03
okay, and I think he's it likes the cameras and I love it.
24:07
I love it. I might pavet be a seventh past wife. Yes,
24:11
okay, well let's talk about how it's all news to Aaron that Jessel has
24:18
started working again, because this is what's funny to me. I was trying
24:22
to pull back the curtain. I think the bigger issue was that this,
24:27
like this party that Jessel was going to have at her house, the you
24:33
know, for her her friend, who has the purses, who has the
24:37
handbags. She wants to like see Asia, you know, she wants to
24:41
get her name out there and stuff like that, and all of the proceeds
24:45
will go towards impoverished children in India. Well, I think that she's now
24:51
begun working again quote unquote for the show to get this event going at her
24:56
house. But never said anything to Aerin or any buddy. So that was
25:00
news to Erin. But Aaron being so offended by not knowing that she's working
25:04
again was hilarious to me. And oh, I didn't know you working.
25:08
I thought you were on a break. It's like, is did she do
25:11
something wrong? It's like she was trying to get away with something. What
25:15
did you read into that? I think I think it's Brian Moylan or somebody
25:18
said that, like ninety nine percent of the fights on Housewives shows are about
25:22
the show, and we are always confused because we don't understand that's what it's
25:26
really about, is something yeah the show. Yeah, like the whole thing
25:30
with not the deva from New York, but like with OC and that whole
25:33
fight with Shannon was really about you're making more money than all of us and
25:37
yet you're not telling the truth about what's happening with John and we're putting our
25:41
lives out there and making half your salary, like you know, that's what's
25:45
really about. And they can't say, yeah, I feel like with this,
25:47
there's something else going on, like that has to do with the show,
25:51
And I don't know enough about any of these women yet or the show
25:53
to know what it is. But you're right because it didn't really make sense
25:56
on his face, like who cares if someone's working again or not. I
26:00
don't know, It's just it did seem like it was. Yeah, it
26:03
seemed like, oh, oh, you're working again. How convenient that we
26:07
just started filming a show, you know, like yeah, yeah, yeah,
26:10
that's what it seemed like to me, And then Aaron being like,
26:11
well, mazzle on starting your own business, but don't ever say that I
26:17
don't build women up. And I thought, oh my gosh, we're because
26:21
Jessel accused her of like not embracing women. She's like, well, I
26:26
embrace women. I'm like, oh my god, this is the new you
26:29
know, women supporting women. I thought, this is this is really meta,
26:33
that this is how we're starting. Like one of the biggest you know,
26:37
divisive tropes of all time is you don't support women? By the way,
26:44
Yeah, she was so right. Oh oh, Ramona, Like I
26:51
remember at the time being so offended on Bethany's behalf and it turns out like,
26:56
no, he doesn't support anyone but Bethany. Sorry, sorry, you
27:00
know, but I am so Bethany is so unhinged right now. I can't
27:04
like, I literally cannot. Well, you don't agree with the act,
27:08
but do you agree with the movement of trying to get well I'm not Oh
27:12
sorry, sorry, yes, I agree with the movement, not the messenger.
27:15
I think she could Okay, the worst she is and it taints everything,
27:22
everything because it's not a lawsuit, it's a total publicity grab. It's
27:29
completely disingenuous girl. You would not even be where you are because of Bravo.
27:33
You pitch Bravo a show last week. You are, so she is.
27:37
And by the way, somebody noted that for every client she brings on,
27:41
she gets money if something goes forward. So it's just another scheme for
27:45
Bethany. I find her to be repulsive at this point. Oh holy you
27:49
heard it here on drama Dart. You want a drama darling, Darling,
27:52
we got it. Okay, Well, don't come for me, Bethany.
27:56
I don't want to hear from Mark Erragos. I absolutely agree that reality stars
28:02
should have protections. I agree that they should unionize. I think that they
28:06
should have done that a long time ago. I think that they should get
28:08
residuals. I think that I think that they should try to come with it,
28:11
come together with an agreement, and do it in a good way,
28:17
not with threats, not with you know, in a negative light. The
28:19
point is is that she's full of shit. I just don't buy anything she's
28:23
selling. I think she's a complete schemer. I'm sorry, I do.
28:27
I think she's all about the money and all about the attention, and I'm
28:32
completely over her. But I just want to say one thing about that we
28:34
can move on, because don't forget that I work an unscripted TV and most
28:40
of my friends are production company owners, production company crew workers. So for
28:45
me, I see the people working in my industry who still don't have a
28:49
union getting you know, haven't had a pay bump in twenty years of working
28:53
their asses off and working overtime every day and killing themselves for these shows.
28:57
So the fact that they have no protection, and I'm not saying doesn't mean
29:02
that the stars shouldn't have I'm just saying, we've been trying to do this
29:04
for years and years and it still hasn't happened. So for Bethany to come
29:08
along on our high horse and go and not even include the workers, okay,
29:15
well, well that needs to happen as well. So look, I
29:18
understand about the messenger thing. And so with that being said, I hope
29:23
that that something can be done. I hope that the bright side comes out
29:27
at some point and it's not and it doesn't ruin anything. That's that's my
29:32
wish for this. And I agree with what you do. It's pivotal for
29:37
people like you to have a voice in this. And so when you speak
29:41
so strongly against it. It really makes me nervous and it really concerns me.
29:47
But all right, well we'll discuss more because I'd like to pick your
29:49
brain. Also, off Drama, Darling. I only do things on drama,
29:56
Darling. I'm sorry, I only make drama on drama Darling, Rama
30:00
Darling. All right, Well, so now Brandon, Sy and Aaron meet
30:03
up for coffee, and now Brann is taking lessons as an adult that she
30:08
couldn't do as a child. And I find this to be really really sweet.
30:12
I've seen this happen with a lot of people where you know, they
30:15
didn't have these opportunities when they were younger, and so now they're really diving
30:19
into basically kind of not realliving their childhood, but like taking advantage of the
30:26
opportunities that they're able to have as an adult by you know, taking music
30:30
lessons or this chess thing that she's doing and going in part being a part
30:34
of this chess tournament, which was adorable but very Queen's gambit, Oh my
30:41
god, very very very so. Also in this scene, they all agree
30:47
that Jessel doesn't own anything that she does, and size like she's got a
30:51
lot going on something's going on with her and I just and they just all
30:52
agree, you know, you just got to own up your own you have
30:55
to own your stuff. And I'm like, oh god, ladies, we
31:00
got a this is where we're really like we're grinding the gears here and I'm
31:03
going, oh God, like I'm getting a little bit worried. But let's
31:08
discuss also Brinn's story, because when we began with this episode, we did
31:14
pick up with her telling her story at the Yes, that's my favorite part.
31:18
Yeah, like what were you what were your thoughts on on her story?
31:23
Really upsetting. I'm really glad she opened up because she seemed kind of
31:27
like a caricature before she did, and I was like, what is Brinn?
31:32
Like, who is she? What is she about? But now it
31:33
makes sense. I feel excuse me, I feel like people like her that
31:38
it was a generalization, but who come from that much trauma? They kind
31:42
of again generalization. But I think in her case, she kind of like
31:47
invented a character almost like a person, because who she was, you know,
31:52
like, how do you even have a sense of self or anything when
31:56
you come from that type of upbringing, right, you have to kind of
32:00
create a persona of maybe who you want to be or who you think you
32:02
should be. And a lot of people do that in New York or LA.
32:07
It's like it's a chance to kind of reinvent yourself and be great.
32:10
Okay, well I'm gonna be like the downtown cool woman who like loves men
32:15
and fashion. And so I don't know, jury's out on Brinn. I
32:21
mean, I'm glad that she shared. It really endeared me to her,
32:22
but she's also trying too hard for my opinion. In my opinion, yeah,
32:28
she's a lot. She's a lot. She's a lot. She's gives
32:32
me also like sixteen candles, eighties vies and I like that very relatable.
32:37
I love that you just her hair, the side pony. I'm like,
32:42
I'm feeling like, you know, a John Hughes movie here, yes,
32:45
right that even the wardrobe, like that jumpsuit with the pearls, and like,
32:50
I don't know what you're doing, but I do like it. Oh
32:52
my god, very Molly Ringwald, as you are right, that is really
32:55
a good point. Oh wow, that was interesting to hear. God well,
33:04
and I gonna say interesting, but will her grandmother adopt them? And
33:08
she was in first grade and she drank a bottle of dimatap because she wanted
33:14
to sleep forever, and that just made me well up with tears and was
33:19
one of the most heartbreaking things I think any across all you Know franchises has
33:24
ever said really heavy. To have that kind of awareness when you're that young,
33:31
that you don't want to, you know, move live and just not
33:38
face the world. I can't imagine that kind of heartbreak. I can't imagine
33:43
that kind of brokenness. And it is truly truly a miracle that that she
33:50
came from that situation, those circumstances, and as they all embraced her and
33:55
celebrated who she was today, that she is some credible woman, that she's
34:01
kind and she's warm, and look at what she's done with her life and
34:06
her I mean, really, she's claiming that so much of it is a
34:09
choice. You know, she's chosen happiness. She it's so much easier to
34:15
choose happiness, and it's better to choose happiness, but to have to to
34:20
live the journey that she had is just just simply heartbreaking. Her dad when
34:27
she she got a call from him in high school and that he was dying
34:30
in the hospital, of sclerosis and that he said that every day he would
34:37
look in the mirror, what is it sterrhosis of the liver. I think
34:39
you're right, it is not sclerosis. That would be uh, that would
34:45
be totally wrong. I cried though. That was very very emotional, Like
34:52
I was like that, and the fact that she was there for him like
34:57
that, Wow, I would have been like fuck you, but like kudos
35:00
to her, you know, like it was. It was intense. It
35:04
was really intense, and I like those moments. I wish there were more
35:07
of them, you know, with each individual woman too, Like I just
35:13
want to know more. Like Uba, I just feel like what's going on
35:15
there? Like she's adorable, but like what is she? Yeah? Uba
35:20
hot sauce. I mean that's the size hard right right. So I had
35:24
that moment in the Hampton's, which I liked, and she was like five
35:28
and dime store when you grow up poor, you don't like she became like
35:30
a different person. I was like, yeah, that's and then quickly it
35:32
got back to like look at my Fendy, look at my Chanel, look
35:36
at my Jimmy Cheo's. I'm like, girl, I can't stop. That
35:39
was this influencer thing when she's just pulling out everything in the like she's like,
35:47
I'm gonna be on real house as in New York, so make sure
35:50
that all of these brands that are the most high end semis they were high
35:53
end. I mean, I was pretty I was frank that that was coordinated
35:57
for the show. It had to be. Come on, she's my way.
36:00
You've never heard of her. I've never heard of her either. But
36:04
the thing is she was probably one of the first, like to really make
36:08
it big. So once you have that's that's my opinion. When she was
36:14
like, okay, I was, you know, I started this website on
36:17
my own. I you know, I could do coding, and then I
36:20
did this Mommy and Me space thing like she was in on the ground floor
36:22
BuzzFeed this article and then she's just built it from there. I mean,
36:29
if you're in early, I think that you're pretty set. But again I
36:32
agree with you. I was like, I don't I don't know, but
36:35
there's a ton of I don't follow, like a bunch of fashion intruans.
36:38
Like when I'll click on somebody because somebody will tap them or whatever, and
36:42
I'm like, who's that? And I'll see like two hundred and fifty thousand
36:44
fives. I'm like, yeah, never who I know. I don't even
36:47
understand what they do. I am always blown away. That doesn't really mean
36:51
anything necessarily, it's it doesn't it's kind of I don't know. I just
36:53
I'm not really into her right now, so she'll have to show me to
36:57
get me. Like, there's nothing that is in dear me to her so
37:00
far. Sorry, no, no, except for her story when she shared
37:04
at the fire pit. But yeah, right now, it's a little like
37:07
it's very one dimensional. It's the versace row, which really is the ugliest
37:13
thing I've ever seen. Do you know, God, it looked like Rocky
37:17
Balboa. Yeah, I was like, are we going into the boxing ring?
37:22
I mean, but like the victory toious secret like get ready thing.
37:25
I was like, dang, this is some serious But now that you're mentioning
37:29
it, she could have put a like they know what they're doing. They
37:31
could have reached out and been like four real housewives, like, you know,
37:36
let's get some big names in here. They probably did that. She's
37:38
got a brand manager, she has an editor and attorney in an accountant.
37:47
She's not messing around. She offers health insurance. That was cool. Oh
37:52
my god. I had a note about that. I had a note about
37:55
that. I said, what did I say, So I offers health insurance.
38:00
I was like, dang, I haven't had health insurance through my last
38:05
job at all. But that's pretty impressive. You know. I have like
38:08
three notes on the whole episode hand jobs are back, Oh my god,
38:13
which was good to know. I didn't know that. Yeah, close,
38:19
JENNI friend being Glenn close. And then so I has health insurance, like
38:22
for health insurance. And those were the things that stuck out to me.
38:25
Uba and the short guys with tall girls that thing. I was like,
38:30
Okay, this joke is going on very long. At this party, by
38:34
the way, at Jessel's in the Know consultancy launch, which I'm very confused
38:42
about, but it's fine. You had a lot of people show up,
38:45
had some I was like, damn, shocked, damn. And Brent was
38:52
very you know, just knocked out, knocked out by that vote. Calmness.
38:59
Yeah, I was red tattoos. That was something else, But that
39:02
was impressive. I was definitely excited to see that she did have a lot
39:07
of support there. Very very surprised, and I was I was impressed too.
39:10
She's obviously somebody. She's somebody. Lynn Jaeger, a Vogue fashion columnist.
39:16
Yeah, that name's familiar. It is okay, Oh my god.
39:20
How about when Aaron arrives erin again? This is a good like she stirs
39:24
it up. Jessel's like, oh, I'm so sorry. You know about
39:27
how things went at coffee, and Aaron's like, I wanted to make an
39:31
effort even though the baby doesn't feel good, and I wanted you to know
39:37
I support your endeavor. It's like coh, really laying it on thick.
39:44
But what how about the temperature being at one hundred and seven? That was
39:49
wait, I don't remember that. Aaron's son. She said, oh sorry,
39:52
I thought you met the temperature in the room. Oh yeah, oh
39:57
my god, I was at ten times. And I'm like I would have
40:00
freaked out too. I know that's but also like, why do we even
40:05
trust thermometers? That's a sign, it's a well. I agree. Those
40:08
are so confusing because you got that the forehead ones. I gave up on
40:12
those because when I took Maddie the urgent care, They're like, no,
40:15
the one in the ear is really the one that's the right temperature then,
40:19
so we have the ear one. Then the last time she had a high
40:22
fever and we took her to urgent care, they were like, once we
40:25
got in the room, he's like, under the tongue is really the exact
40:30
one because the ear one can tend to be a little high. And I
40:31
was like, well, what stopped you be accurate? I mean back in
40:37
the day day they would do it in the old tush Oh, the old
40:39
tissy. Oh yeah, oh yeah, the yelsers. Okay, what else,
40:46
consultancy launch. Oh, let's talk about Jenna's tree decorating and how they're
40:51
trying to make something out of that because she said she had an event so
40:54
she couldn't come to the consultancy launch party. Yeah, that's what I mean.
40:59
Like, it's just that's the best you got. You're gonna have to
41:01
do better. Sorry, that was really rough. That was really rough,
41:05
and I wasn't okay. I know I'm gonna get hate drama darlings, don't
41:08
give me hate, but the whole Jenna Christmas tree, like I was just
41:14
like bored, Like I'm like, what am I even watching? Stop?
41:17
I'm not entertained. I don't think it's cute. Or funny or like silly
41:22
or adorable. Like I was just like put me back in the closet,
41:25
or like don't bring me in storage unit or nothing. Yeah, like I
41:30
just am just not interested in Jenna decorating her tree and throwing things at the
41:35
tree. It was just like, this is not cute to me. It
41:37
was, you know, I liked being there, I liked being in her
41:42
apartment. I'm happy being in her apartment. I'm okay with being in her
41:45
apartment. I love the jumpsuits. Yeah, the tree looked amazing, and
41:54
but yeah, you know, it's not the most compelling scene, but that
41:59
is what it is. I don't know, but herself not in the Christmas
42:01
spirit yet, that's probably part of it. Like it's summer here, so
42:05
I'm just like it's it's just not hitting. It's not hitting. Like I'm
42:08
not ready for my Hallmark movies. I'm not ready for decorating a tree.
42:13
Like it's just I still need to I need even an early fall vibe.
42:16
I don't know, I can't. I can never do like a Christmas in
42:20
July vibe. I'm just not that I'm not into that at all. Speaking
42:23
of it, shall we transition to Crappy Lake. Yes, we shall.
42:28
Oh my gosh, thank you for that. Christmas in July. Christmas in
42:31
July, Crappy Lake. We I mean, first of all, just to
42:36
like begin with a leaf blowing moment between the two. It's so comical.
42:43
It's great, it's great. I do know what they're doing. They're so
42:46
good share they really are, and they're making it so fun. And like
42:52
my favorite part of the whole show is that they dress to the nines to
42:57
like literally leave the motel. And I know that's part of this, but
43:00
I love it and it's just hilarious. Like it's it's really you know.
43:07
I was thinking about this last night from a produce from a producorial point of
43:12
view, Yes, what's genius about the show is that it's it has a
43:15
loose format that allows it to be an unscripted sitcom, which is very genius
43:21
because it's not a follow doc. The conceit of the show has dropped them,
43:24
you know, it's simple life. However, the organized format is this
43:30
checklist, which gives it a spine, and it allows them to do these
43:36
comedy scenes within a format, so that every episode is going to be part
43:39
of the checklist. I'm like home Run. I mean, from a producer
43:44
to I mean you. For for you to articulate that that perfectly is so
43:49
brilliant. That is why this show partly is so successful. Lessons learned producers
43:57
out there like this is the way to do it. Hey, let's just
44:00
drop them in this town and this crappy motel and see what happens. You're
44:04
not gonna you have to you have to produce it, and you have to
44:07
and the scenes themselves. That's what's so good about it. It's like the
44:13
lines aren't rehearsed, but you get comedy gold because you have two brilliant comedians,
44:19
yes, comedians. You know. I can't help but always think about,
44:25
you know, Christopher Guest and his movie totally. This really is the
44:30
actual the structure for his movies, the characters straight out of his movies.
44:36
And I often wonder to myself, I wonder what he would think, or
44:40
any of the cast members that are in his movies, what they would think
44:45
of this show. Would they be like, oh, would they appreciate it?
44:50
It's what you do? Another sorry, Another thing that why this show
44:53
works so brilliantly is that I think what people thought or maybe what I thought
44:59
it was good to be is, you know, the two New York Upper
45:02
east Side ladies go to the town and like roll their eyes at all the
45:05
bumble fucks, and instead it's the opposite, and they're like, who are
45:08
these two lunatics that are coming in our town? And the cutaway shots that
45:13
are like, I mean at the brilliance of it is like they're the two
45:16
idiots. Yeah, they're the village idiots and the townspeople are the good one.
45:22
Like it's yes, so smart, but it's all from a place of
45:25
love, yeah, and a place of celebration and nothing fun of anybody.
45:30
And in a way because they're doing things for the town, which is so
45:34
nice, they're building them up and they have a great attitude about it.
45:38
Exactly. It's so sweet, Like even I was catching up last night,
45:42
even the playground scene when they installed the new playground, Like it's genuinely like
45:45
a beautiful moment where everybody is moved by doing something really great for the town.
45:52
I'm like, yes, And then the comedy comes with her extra long
45:54
speech that is completely self centered and it's like Cat the Rabbin, all right,
46:00
but the chemistry, I mean, it is so hard to find.
46:07
Yeah, that genuine not just chemistry, but they really truly love and appreciate
46:13
each other. Yeah, and can rag on each other and have a sense
46:15
of humor about each other like this is. I don't know two other women
46:19
in the whole Bravo universe that could necessarily pull off what they're doing. Do
46:22
you. I don't, And I've said that I've had I've preached that from
46:25
the pulpit that you couldn't do this again, you know, like you could
46:30
do it again, but it's never going to be as good as this.
46:34
There are no two others there just are. There's no two others that's to
46:37
ever do it. The goats, you know, they people would like to
46:40
think there could be. I mean, the Trace Amigas could give them a
46:44
run for their money. I will say that, however, but I don't
46:50
find them that entertaining. Sorry, well, I saw their show this past
46:53
weekend and they did a great job. They did. I'm not saying they
46:59
couldn't do a great job. I just I'm not that into their vibe.
47:04
No, I understand, I understand like it's And the other thing is that
47:07
you know they met on the show Sonya and Lou have known each other before
47:10
the show, and there's something about that history of like real friendship, not
47:15
like let's go. I was out trace megas whoop it up, Like I'm
47:20
sorry, I just I can't, And I like, I love Shannon and
47:23
I think, actually, Shannon, I don't know who she would be paired,
47:28
but but Shannon has this quality we're talking about Shannon does. Yeah,
47:31
she is a comedian. She is fucking hilarious. Yeah, but I don't
47:37
think that tamram VICKI I I don't think they're funny. Huh, Okay,
47:42
sorry, well, I I encourage you to see The Trace a Mega's show
47:46
when they tour it, because they do this video, the Trace of Boilists,
47:51
and they have like these video interstitials and it's a it's a longer like
47:54
video and they are going around and there I can't. I don't want to
47:58
give it all away because it genuinely is please don't. In fact, you're
48:01
like, I don't want to know, and it's genuinely funny. And I
48:06
was like this so that I could see them being in the same kind of
48:08
structure. But Okay. One of the things that I loved about this episode
48:14
is when when Craig sees them coming for the Christmas in July thing and he's
48:19
like, they pulled up and they looked like the hooker's like just coming down
48:22
there. Oh my god, they did. It was hilarious. I'm like,
48:27
they literally looked like Halloween hookers, so funny. Your heart out is
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ten fifteen, right or is it ten? It's like ten oh five?
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Okay, great, No, that's fine, So okay, but let's just
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talk about Paula Abduel the late this. Oh my god, y'all, Oh
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my god, is showing up. My god, she is showing up and
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she is showing surprised. I was shocked. Well, I was surprised last
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week when I saw the trend. Oh no, I knew that she was
48:54
coming, but I mean originally when I saw that she was coming, I
48:59
was absolutely shocked, absolutely shocked. Yeah, I know, I had no,
49:01
I hadn't seen the trailer, so I was like, I thought it
49:04
was gonna be dernda. I really did. I mean the fact that she
49:07
did this and she was genuinely teaching these dancers, it was like. And
49:10
also, Paula is popping up everywhere lately. I don't know what the deal
49:15
is, what's what's this publicity style? She can move those hips like I'm
49:20
sorry them watching her and miming the moves with her. But wait, Amy,
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did you catch I wrote this down? This was my favorite moment,
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and this is little things that make it gold. Yes, when they're walking
49:34
in and Paula and they're like, oh, you got to see these girls
49:37
are so great, and Paula goes, oh, I like being around talent,
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and lou goes, don't we all like being around talent? It was
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such a classic clue, like it's just you have to know that, Yeah,
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don't we all like being around? He? I died. My favorite
49:55
part about this whole episode was when they finally revealed the Sonya and Luanne sweets
50:01
at the motel and and they got new gutters and new paint your carpet and
50:07
new sinks, new closets and made it even look that much better? So
50:09
did they really didn't? Those beds are which said before, which is the
50:13
That's what I wept thinking too, But God love them. I mean the
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carpeting, look the carpeting and new sinks. That was great. And I
50:19
did see the closet was different. That was great. But when Sonya was
50:22
like when they see the new beds and it's just the frame and Sonya's like,
50:25
I'll be one buzz again. And then she goes underneath the bed and
50:30
she's like, I was like, honey, come gaddy, could you bring
50:32
me a muffin and my makeup kit? Lou Luanne, nobody came to pick
50:37
oh up. She left him flip flops and then then the guy pulls her
50:42
out by her ankles and drags her across the floor. She doesn't miss a
50:45
beat and she pops right up and that's a ball could never never and it's
50:52
a standing oe all across and and then I love Then. The second favorite
50:57
was when Luanne did the plug for Walmart and she's in her room with those
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pink baby bedspreads and she's like, and then we got this table tray from
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my new favorite store, Walmart. My favorites are the one I told you
51:09
we're saying that to Paula, and then when when Sonia goes when Paula is
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teaching the girls and she was amazing and goes, she's really teaching these kids
51:19
things. Oh how about when Sonya was like, I look like M and
51:22
M and then she says rapping. I was like, is that a rap
51:28
that was? It's incredible, It's incredible. It really is gold And they
51:32
they barely like register the comedy like from each other because it's just so normal
51:38
to you know what I mean, Like they know, it's just they I
51:43
hope they both each got like two million dollars because this is this is award
51:47
winning I mean, from one producer to the world. I think that you
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you think it. Yeah, So Alisa rosen please plug your stuff where people
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can find everything you do because you're incredible. Oh my god, you are.
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I Well, the best place to find what I'm up to is my
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Instagram, which is my name, Elisa Rosenet, and I think it's AYR
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Media my website AYR Media. And like I said, please listen to Crimson
52:15
Hearts Collide, our new scripted podcast dropping on Thursday, August seventeenth, or
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sorry, it dropped. The trailer drops on Thursday, and then the first
52:23
two episodes dropped next week, and just keep stay tuned. We have another
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scripted podcast called The Murder Years, dropping on iHeart toward the end of the
52:32
month. So we've got stuff cooking out there and old podcast you can go
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back Queen of a con gen shots dropping right now, so lots of fun
52:39
stuff going on. Thank you for having me, Amy Phillips, You're the
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