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#55 - Our Gardens Are Our Medicine | Carmen Lizasoain [Eclectic Earth Natural Health] · The Shed Organics Show

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode
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of the Shed Organics Show. My name is Jordan and today's
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guest we have Carmen from Eclectic Earth.
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And now Carmen is a naturopath, She's a herbalist.
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She is somebody who is very interested in root cause
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healing. Too often, as we spoke about in
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the conversation today, Western medicine or modern medicine in
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in a larger, broader sense is more reactionary and less
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preventative. It's also looking at band aiding
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symptoms more so than looking deep down into the root cause of
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why some of these issues are surfacing and expressing
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themselves in our bodies and in society at large.
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And I think something that in this conversation, Carmen really
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points out is that we are losing this connection to nature and to
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the natural ways of doing things, some tried and true and
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tested methods of healing that for decades, for centuries, for
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millennia, people have been using in ancient cultures.
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Now, this is a subject that I'm super interested in, and it very
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much relates to gardening because we talk about how you
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can grow a lot of these things at home, how you can have some
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crossovers between what you might use medicinally or
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culinarily, if that's even a word, and in your cooking and
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things like this. So you can get multiple benefits
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out of these plants, having them at home.
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So this conversation is super interesting.
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And I know that you'll find lots of value.
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So if you're finding like that you've got some ailments, aches
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and pains or anything that you feel like you just really want
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to try and heal yourself or get back to understanding the root
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cause healing in your life, then this conversation is for you.
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I won't dilly dally around too much.
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I want to get into the crux of this and I'll let Carmen explain
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exactly what a naturopath is here at the start so that you
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can really understand where we're going to take this
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conversation. But without further ado, this is
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Carmen from Eclectic Earth. In your own words or in in a way
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that you can describe it best, What does naturopath mean to
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you? What does that role represent,
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and how are you helping people? Like what's that job for you?
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OK, so as a naturopath, I guess I'm helping people.
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Sometimes I'll explain to people that a naturopath, if they've
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never heard of a naturopath before, sometimes I'll say to
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them, you know how you'll go to a doctor and the doctor will
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help you with your health conditions?
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Well, it's kind of the same thing.
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But instead of just, you know, giving you something quick and
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easy to suppress your symptoms, we're actually going to find out
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what's wrong. Look at the root causes and go
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from there. So generally I'll sort of say to
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my clients, basically when you're looking at any state of
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disease in the body, you are that's kind of the root cause,
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getting the to the root cause of any kind of disease in the body
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is looking at deficiencies and toxicities and sometimes trauma
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is thrown in there as well. And so to explain what I mean by
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that, generally, you know, a deficiency is something that,
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you know, the body's not getting enough of what it needs and a
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toxicity is that it's getting too much of what it can't
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handle. So when you break that down
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further, you know, deficiencies can be, you know, it can be
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things like we're not getting enough of the nutrients that our
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body needs to thrive. It might come down to, you know,
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doing blood tests and determining that, OK, your
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vitamin D is low, your zinc is low, your, you know, your B12,
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that sort of thing. So that's an obvious kind of
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deficiency or how we generally, generally think of what a
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deficiency is. But deficiencies can also be,
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you know, when you think of the body not getting what it needs,
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it needs so much more than that. So, and nature provides so much
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of that. So, you know, sunlight, are you
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getting enough sunlight, especially morning sunlight,
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because we need the morning sunlight for our circadian
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rhythms. Are you getting enough of, you
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know, the right nutrients from your food is your, your food is
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fueling you. So what is it?
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You know, if you're having a diet that's highly processed and
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full of junk food and actually no nutrients in there, then the
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body is essentially starving. It's, you know, that's the
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essence of malnutrition when you're not getting nutrition
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from your food. So yeah, other things that we
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need goes beyond just, you know, those sorts of things.
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But, you know, social connection, time in nature, time
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to do things that we like and we enjoy it and that brings us joy.
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Like that's all part of what we need.
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So when you're thinking about deficiencies, you're thinking,
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you know, along the lines of every single thing that that we
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need to thrive. And then toxicities, again,
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you've got your obvious ones, so you know your chemicals and your
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toxins that you might be subject to at home or in the workplace.
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Some things we can avoid and some things we can't.
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So then it comes down to choices as well.
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So, you know, you might not be able to, you might be subject to
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a lot of chemical exposure in your job, but you might be in a
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position where you just can't leave your job.
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You just have to do that. You know, in our society, our
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modern society, we are, you know, traveling, using
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transport. You drive into the city, there's
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pollution, you drive your car, there's pollution.
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Some of those things, again, we might not have so much control
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over, but you kind of think of what is out of your control and
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then what you do have control over.
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So that's the choices that you make about what you put onto
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your skin, for example, what you clean your house with, for
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example. Like these are some of the
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really easy kind of choices. You can choose how much sleep
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you get. Well, to a degree, you know, by
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that's a whole a whole thing again.
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So I won't get into that now. But yeah, just getting back to
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the toxicities and being aware of what toxins are around us,
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which is something that, you know, a lot of people aren't
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aware that something that they're eating all the time
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might be a toxin for them. So it's, again, it's identifying
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what those toxins and deficiencies are and then going
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about rectifying it. And that may be through herbal
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medicine, through diet, through lifestyle advice and that sort
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of thing. So that was the long winded.
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No, that's a beautiful explanation.
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Question about neutropathy that it's utilizing the healing power
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of nature. Yeah, yeah.
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So the so nature has everything that we need.
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We just sometimes need a bit of support to help, to learn to tap
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into nature, to be able to because we are part of nature.
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We're all part of nature. And the more we go against
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nature, that's when, you know, the the whole deficiency
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toxicity kind of thing comes up as well.
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So getting back to basics and yeah, honing in on the healing
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power of nature and being able to utilize that.
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I love it. As is meant to be.
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Yeah, well, you're exactly right.
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And I love that there's so many beautiful things that you
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touched on there already. I think first and foremost, I
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want to go back to to how you said it's a dis ease.
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It's this disconnection of something or this usually it's
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an expression of something that's going wrong, like you
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said, with a deficiency or a toxicity.
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And, and this disease is a expression of that and it can be
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from having a high stress job, it can be from environmental
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exposure to toxins, it can be not getting enough out of our
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food, which is something obviously I talk a lot about
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trying to grow nutrient dense food, these types of things.
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But it's you, you said it right, that our typical Western
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approach or pharmaceutical approach is to Band-Aid these
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things or to try and manage symptoms rather than getting to
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that root cause and the the natural path.
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I've always explained it as the natural path because it's like
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that kind of, it works that well.
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I don't know whether that's actually true or not, but it's
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the yeah, yeah, it's this, yeah. It's this holistic approach that
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is looking at everything at once as a whole and complete with
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connection to nature and to everybody else and community and
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seeing where those problems may be rather than, yeah, OK, you
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know, you've got high blood pressure, so we need to give you
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this tablet to lower that blood pressure.
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It's like that's coming from somewhere.
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There's a reason why that's out of whack.
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And someone like yourself, someone who's understands this,
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this holistic approach can be a little bit more specific in
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terms of, OK, look, let's backtrack.
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Let's have a look at your life. Let's have a look at the the
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factors that may be contributing to this and then see if we can
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provide some sort of remedy for that.
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Is that am I? Is my thinking right in all of
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that? Absolutely.
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Yeah, that's really good. And I like the way you say, you
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know, natural path 'cause I actually had a, a lot of people
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have not, never heard of a naturopath.
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And then they see the word naturopath and they see the word
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naturopathy. Yeah.
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And they get confused as to how to say either 1.
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So I have a friend who, and I guess, you know, it was probably
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along the same thinking of what you've said that she actually
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said what, what is a, a natural, a natural path, A natural path.
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And I thought, yeah, there you go.
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So yeah, natural path and then naturopathy.
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And so it can be a little bit confusing, but if you just break
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it down to natural, that is. Yeah, definitely.
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And everything that you've said there is absolutely spot on.
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How beautiful, beautiful. Well, it's something that I've
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come to learn in, you know, the last, say 5-10 years as to how
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important it is to, to really understand how disconnected we
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are as human beings from nature. And that goes, you know, with
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all of these things like we're saying with the way that we
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operate in the world with pollution or with chemicals, you
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know, we've, we've done over, you know, a fair few years ago
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now done a big audit of our house, all the chemicals that
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we're using and, and how that impacts, you know, washing our
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hair or cleaning your body and what you put on your skin and
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all of these types of things. You don't realize until you
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actually have a look at these ingredients and what those
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things can do for you. And then no wonder we're seeing
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so many expressions of disease and things like that in in our
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in our world. What sort of things like
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commonly if you're seeing clients which are obviously
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regularly dealing with different things, what are some of the
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things that you're seeing that come up regularly in terms of,
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you know, things that people are looking for help through the
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tropathy in in real way? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I guess one of the the main things that I kind of see all
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the time, everyone is stressed. Yeah, everyone in this.
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Yeah, in this, you know, the society that we're in at the
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moment is under stress and stress effects everything.
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So whether it be real stress or perceived stress, the body is
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affected in the same way. And stress does create
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inflammation in the body, so and it essentially will stop
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healing. So some of the common patterns,
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you know, there's nervous system problems with dysregulation of
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the nervous system. You've got anxiety.
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You know, just about every second person I see has anxiety.
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There's sleep issues and you know, blood sugar crashes and
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cravings, digestive issues, hormonal imbalances and chronic
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inflammation and everything effects something else.
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So also with neutropathy, you know, we're looking at the whole
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body and it's not just where, as you know, if you went to your
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doctor, let's say you might like you said, oh, you've got high
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blood pressure here have this. Oh, you've also got sleeping
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issues here have this, oh, you've also got this, here have
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this. And then it's kind of like, Oh
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well, this medication actually causes this, so we'll give you
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this tablet for that. And before you know it, there's
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polypharmacy where people come in and they're on 10 different
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medications, maybe starting with one.
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But then all there's all the flowering effects.
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But you know, when we're getting back to, you know, stress and
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how that affects so many different body systems, it's
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kind of almost like a layered system where you know your
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stress will affect your digestion.
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If you're constantly in the flight or fight mode, your body
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is not in the rest and digest. So it's going to affect those
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things. Literally rest and digest and
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everything that affects that. And if you're not, if your
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digestion is not working improperly, you can imagine
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you're not going to be absorbing the nutrients from your food.
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So even with food, you know, we can be eating all the right
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things once we figure out what those right things are for us
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individually, because it is very individualized.
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But you might not be absorbing your food.
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So then it's sort of going back to, OK, so what's the issue
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there with not absorbing what you're eating?
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And then if you're not, you know, absorbing the nutrients
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from your food, then you're nutrient deficient and that's
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going to affect all sorts of body systems, you know, put your
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hormones out of whack and everything and throwing in all
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of those, you know, the endocrine disrupting chemicals
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and all of the all of those things from all of the chemicals
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and toxins that we're exposed to.
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You can see how that affects so many different body system.
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And yeah, so many issues. Yeah.
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The kind of the rise of disease in society because we're having
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so many more chemicals. And it seems like I keep getting
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back to that. I'm a bit obsessed with that.
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But rightly so it. All does contribute.
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Yeah, it does. And like, it's funny, my, my
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grandmother's quite proud, actually.
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The fact that she says that it's funny, you know, that like when
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when you get old, you sort of, you know, really don't care what
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people think. But she says, she says, you
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know, I don't visit the doctor because they'll just give me
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something and tell me something's wrong.
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And she says, I'm quite proud because all of my friends have
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this great list of things that they have to take every day and
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she doesn't have anything. And I, I sort of, you know, I, I
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prod and poke around and sort of say what, you know, what do you
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think it is? Because quite easily you could
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be expressing a lot of this disease as well.
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And she puts it down to the fact that she's outdoors in the
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garden, connecting with nature and connecting with community
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regularly and keeping the body moving.
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Yes, focusing on low stress, it's, it's these types of things
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and we see this with blue zones and, and longevity and the fact
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that it's all about, you know, love, connection, community,
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natural ways of doing things. It's not necessarily what diet
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you have or whether you, you know, smoke or drink, although
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obviously that has an impact. It's, it's the, the community
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connection and, and that low stress realistically that that
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these people are living within that life.
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So there's no wonder, as you say, that there's there's this
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expression of of disease that we're seeing quite prevalently
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in in this modern world. Just going, going then to, you
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know, obviously there is the the one way of doing things where we
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go through, you go to the doctor and and you know, there are some
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good doctors out there. I don't want to blanket say that
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there's there's not, but when someone's looking for a
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naturopath, are they already of the understanding that that's
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what that they want? They want this more natural
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approach? Or are you having to kind of
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work on a little bit of a perspective or mindset shift to
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kind of help them understand that we're looking at root
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causes more so than band aids? Yeah, that's a good question.
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Because I guess when someone comes to me for the first time,
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it can be different types of people.
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So it could be the people who have just always, you know,
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grown up with using natural remedies, home remedies, you
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know, a bit like myself. I, you know, we'd always have
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lemon and honey and garlic when we were getting a cold and it
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was just sort of normal. So you have the people who
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already down that path and that is, you know, what they're
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seeking is someone who's, you know, had a bit of formal
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education and experience in in that area.
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And then you also have who have done the mainstream thing
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forever and feeling frustrated because they're not getting the
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solutions that they were hoping for.
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They're not, you know, they're putting all of their faith in.
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And again, I don't want to be, you know, banging out the main
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system, but quite often there's people aren't just getting
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aren't getting the solutions and the answers to what they want.
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So it's like, well, can you help me then?
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And so I will sort of say, well, you know, this is how we work as
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opposed to, you know, how they work.
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And this is, it's not going to be a quick and easy because they
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also used to going to the doctor and, you know, spending 10
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minutes getting this medication, taking the medication, right.
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OK, I'm good to go to work again tomorrow.
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Well, that. That's not really how the body
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works naturally. So when you are, you know when
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you run down, when you start getting sick, sometimes the body
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is trying to tell you something and it's like, OK, there's
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there's something not quite right here and it'll give you
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little hints along the way. So if you start listening to
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your body and hone in on what the body is trying to say to
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you, whether that be through, you know, I keep getting sick
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all the time. I keep, you know, I've got this
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persistent cough. You know, it's, it's trying to
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reach out and tell you. So there's another little saying
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about listen to the body when it whispers before it has to
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scream. And people will come to me who
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are at that scream stage where they didn't listen to those
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little warning signals. And then it has turned into
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something big. And then when it's big, it's a
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complete disruption to your life.
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You know, I've had so many clients who are sort of, well,
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I'm on a year off my normal life because I need to focus on
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myself. And a lot of my clients
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especially, I'm going to say especially, you know, women who
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are my age or older, you know, getting into your 50s, you've
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been looking after everyone. You know, naturally we're sort
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of nurturers. We've been nurturing and caring
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for everyone else our whole life, putting ourselves last.
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And then it all creeps up. You've put yourself last.
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Oh, you know, that doesn't matter.
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All power on through because someone else needs me and I need
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to be here and I need to be at work and I need to be caring for
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my family. And and then it all creeps up.
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And then it turns into something sort of major.
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So we need to listen to those body signals.
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And then also, you know, when you're healing naturally, the
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body has the ability and the desire to heal itself given the
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right tools. So what we're doing through
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identifying, you know, the root cause is within identifying what
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those tools are that we're either missing or, you know,
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that need to be readjusted in order for the body to reach that
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state of homeostasis. When it's in proper balance and
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it's it's able to thrive because it's been given the right
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conditions. And it's a little bit like, you
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know, gardening and nature, given the right conditions, it
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will thrive. So, but it does take time.
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It's not a quick fix because you know, if you're if you're
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unwell, the body not only needs to be given the right tools, but
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it needs to rest. Rest is that recovery stage.
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And that's why sleep is so important as well, because when
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we sleep at night time, everything regenerates.
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It gives the time, the body time to heal.
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And you might even notice, you know, sometimes you might go to
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bed and you might have a little bit of a scrap patchy throat or,
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you know, your glands might feel a little bit, you know, not
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quite right. And you wake up in the morning
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and it's, you're perfectly fine. So the body is always, always
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wanting to heal itself and given the right tools like rest and
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proper nutrition and sunlight and, you know, time in nature
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and all those things are giving it, which do take time, are
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giving it what it needs. So yeah, that's so that's I
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don't know if I've answered your question how I've gone off on.
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You have the, all of these things are so important and I
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love that you're touching on all of these.
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I want to just touch on the root cause thing because often, for
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example, in things like trauma or trauma research and things
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like this, where the body can often hold on to trauma without
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you consciously realizing that something's gone going on.
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So for example, if something happened on that day or around
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something that has that sort of context, you might feel
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tightening up that you don't realize or there might be, you
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know, all sorts of things going on that are a representation of
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that trauma. And also similarly to the way in
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which people are explaining their lives or, or describing to
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you. So for instance, you might have
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someone that comes in and they sit down and you say, what can I
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help you with kind of thing and like, you know, what can I do
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for you? And they might start spinning
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off all of these things that they have, but quite often, it's
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the layer underneath that that they're not really sure of or
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conscious of. That is actually the expression
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of that. And that to me, you know, might
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be that root cause where it's like something is missing.
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Like they're missing that connection.
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Or they're just, you know, too overworked in a certain area or
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too relied upon, like you said, with, you know, many women who
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obviously are giving themselves so much to everybody else.
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Do you find that that's something that you've got to do
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a little bit of digging underneath the scratching,
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underneath the surface? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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So when I see a client for the first time, you know, I will
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spend quite a bit of time with them and we will, you know, take
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all of like a comprehensive case history.
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So obviously the symptoms and, and all of the stuff that
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they've got to tell me and sometimes there's a lot, a lot,
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a lot, a lot, lot going on. And you know, I'll talk about
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the different body systems and the symptoms that they have, you
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know, diet, lifestyle, medical history, family history, really
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comprehensive. And one questions that I do ask
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is about trauma. And I will often, you know, some
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people might be kind of, you know, you can see the response
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and I will just explain to them that I'm sorry that, you know,
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it is quite personal. I'll always have the tissues
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there. It's a safe space to speak
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because I'm here, I'm listening, I'm here to help them.
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But knowing about that can sometimes just unlock so much
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about their health and even putting together a timeline.
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So, you know, it might be, you know, I've had this particular
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condition. I've had it for however many
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years. Nothing's working.
26:57
You know, the doctor's done this and that and I've been to
27:00
specialists. Nothing's nothing's happening.
27:03
And you know, you get onto the the sort of the trauma question.
27:07
And then when you're looking sort of time wise, it's like,
27:11
OK, so this started here. And this is also when this
27:17
happened and it something will click and it'll be like, Oh my
27:21
gosh, Oh my gosh. And that happened so often that,
27:28
you know, that's that psychological effect and health
27:37
has such a flow on effect to physical health.
27:41
So when you're just looking at the physical symptoms and you
27:45
know, things aren't sort of falling into place, once you
27:48
look completely and holistically at everything, you know, that is
27:55
when a lot of things can be triggered off from a stressful
27:58
event, a traumatic event in your life.
28:00
So, you know, once we've uncovered that, then that can be
28:05
when the true real healing starts to take place Because,
28:10
you know, people will, you know, people will respond differently
28:14
to to stress in their lives. And a lot of people will, you
28:17
know, bury it, put on the brave face, carry on, You know, a
28:23
little bit like suppressing symptoms kind of thing.
28:26
You're not actually addressing them and getting to the root
28:29
'cause you're just suppressing it.
28:31
And you know, oh, it'll be fine soldiering on, but it's still
28:35
going to creep back up on you. And if it's not now, it'll just
28:39
be brewing and brewing and brewing over time.
28:41
And then it, you know, again, it might erupt in a, in a big major
28:46
event. So it's really important to
28:48
identify the, you know, that trauma that we may have just
28:54
suppressed and buried and it's still there if we haven't dealt
28:57
with it. So yeah, that is very much a
29:00
part of of real true healing. Yeah, I, I definitely imagine
29:05
so. And I imagine that your role as
29:10
as a naturopath, obviously, you know, we spoke about trying to
29:15
come up with natural ways to to help somebody with whatever's
29:19
going on. But it's a lot more of being
29:21
able to see the complete picture of this person and build this
29:25
story of what's going on in their life because it's, it's,
29:29
it takes a lot of skill to be able to look at the bigger
29:31
picture and, and see, and rather than just go, OK, you've got a
29:36
cold, take this or you've got stress, like, you know, quit
29:39
your job or whatever it may be. It's just, it's this ability to
29:43
see everything as it is as a whole and kind of go, OK, these
29:47
are all balancing out. So it's a very skilled job that
29:50
you do now. I, I want to hey guys, really
29:54
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30:11
like we spoke about a little bit about the, you know, the things
30:15
that are outside of what we might typically think of with a
30:20
naturopath with, you know, herbal medicines and things like
30:22
this. So stuff like sleep and sunlight
30:25
and and natural exposure, all of that kind of thing.
30:28
And there's absolutely no shortage of research out there
30:31
now that is is proving all of this.
30:33
And, you know, it's something that I focus on a lot with
30:37
circadian rhythms and trying to get good sleep and rest and all
30:39
of this. But being a being a gardener and
30:43
being somebody who loves plants and, and all of this, I, I can't
30:50
help but want to lean into that. I think that for thousands and
30:55
thousands of years for for as long as we've known the, the
30:58
medicine cabinet has been the garden and, you know, all sorts
31:03
of different cultures around the world have been using various
31:06
different plants for various different things.
31:10
And thankfully, due to the Internet and all of this
31:14
explosion of knowledge, we're able to now kind of get back to
31:19
what we used to know, all of this knowledge that used to be
31:22
commonplace. And I was just wondering on your
31:26
thoughts on this kind of like, you know, resurgence of old
31:31
school techniques like the the the recipe that, you know, your
31:35
great grandmother used to say, or whenever you have a cold, you
31:38
have that honey, lemon and garlic or whatever.
31:40
It's like these things are tried and true and tested over time.
31:43
And through observation and through understanding and
31:47
working with these plants, we've come to realize that they can be
31:50
incredibly helpful before all of these, you know, before Western
31:53
medicine and all of that. So can you just touch on a
31:57
couple of your thoughts in terms of why you think that this is
32:01
making a bit of a resurgence or why you think it's so important
32:05
that we are turning to the natural plants and the things
32:08
that seemingly there's a, an antidote for everything in a
32:11
plant? Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
32:16
And I guess it comes back to, you know, nature being there and
32:21
providing and having everything that we need.
32:25
We just need to learn how to tap into it.
32:27
And like you say, you know, before modern medicine,
32:34
everything was derived through nature.
32:37
So all of your ancient cultures, you know, you've got your
32:40
traditional Chinese medicine, your Ayurvedic medicine, even,
32:45
you know, the Egyptian, the old Egyptian records and just
32:51
everywhere. And that is all people had and
32:57
that is what worked for them. And I think it's almost like the
33:05
the growth of industry has kind of gone too far now.
33:11
So yes, it's all good for, you know, these new findings and
33:16
research and everything. And that's great.
33:19
But it's almost like, right, Well, we can now utilize this
33:26
and we can make money out of this.
33:27
So as soon as making money out of this comes into it, it kind
33:32
of gets away from, you know, oh, you can get this for free from
33:37
your garden and you can utilize this.
33:39
And this will, you know, slowly and and gently support the body
33:45
back into its natural balance and your, you know, health will
33:49
be restored. But yeah, it's sort of.
33:52
Yeah. Technology and industry and
33:57
economy, I guess, has all kind of gone way too far, taken over
34:02
things. And, you know, like that whole
34:05
polypharmacy thing, like, that's ridiculous.
34:07
Like getting back to natural medicine.
34:10
You just, you know, yeah, I, I think that is kind of people are
34:16
starting to open up. They're starting to wake up.
34:20
And with everything that's been happening in the world lately,
34:25
they're kind of actually seeing that it's not working the way it
34:32
is. So what was working beforehand?
34:36
And, you know, let's go back, you know, maybe grandma's, you
34:40
know, crazy, weird and wacky thing wasn't so wacky afterwards
34:45
after all. But, you know, it's not wacky.
34:47
It's real, and it's where everything stemmed from.
34:51
So it kind of irks me that, you know, there's a lot of people
34:56
who kind of think naturopathy is just some woo woo, you know,
35:04
just throw some leaves at it. And you know, it's not, it's,
35:08
it's real, it's real science. It's yes, it's combined from
35:14
traditional, traditional knowledge, traditional medicine
35:18
that's been around for centuries.
35:20
You can't get that wrong if it's been around for centuries and
35:23
it's what people's people have used successfully.
35:28
Now the scientific studies are backing that up as well.
35:31
So there is so much science and you know, evidence based
35:35
medicine in neutropathy. So you know, when people kind of
35:43
say it's quasi science or it's, it's not even real, it is real.
35:48
It's it's there, it's always been there.
35:50
And now it's more and more studies are coming out and, and
35:53
it's it's proving. So, yeah, I think, you know, a
35:59
lot of people are going back there to to kind of realize that
36:03
now. And yeah, our place is to sort
36:07
of to educate people and to, you know, to help more people
36:12
through the amazingness of nature.
36:15
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I think that you touched on a
36:19
really good point there, the fact that like maybe we've gone
36:22
too far in something and like that's the nature of capitalism
36:24
in a way where like we discover something, for example, like
36:29
Ashwagandha, I'm growing that out the front in the garden and
36:33
now it's in in every tablet in every, you know, whatever else.
36:37
And people think that, you know, I can well, and you know, and
36:42
there is certain merit to this because obviously there are some
36:44
really high quality versions of these things out there.
36:46
But you know, you go and get your simple multi vitamin off
36:50
the shelf and the actual the quality of it is not there.
36:55
It's mass produced. It's like by the time it goes
36:59
into your body and as you touched earlier, we might not
37:01
even be effectively absorbing it.
37:03
There's very minute amounts that are actually going into our
37:06
bodies and of what quality we we don't really know.
37:10
So it it, you know, as a gardener, the fact that I can
37:13
just put Ashwagander in and it's growing like crazy and it's
37:18
there when I need it. Or the Tulsi, the holy basil.
37:21
You just go and grab a little bit the elderflower or something
37:24
that's just nice and easy drop into a tea and you can have that
37:28
right there and ready when someone will go and spend
37:31
hundreds of dollars getting all of these in a capsule or
37:33
something like that. Not that there's anything wrong
37:35
with that. It's just a very detached,
37:38
again, version of what it is. So where I want to go with this
37:42
then is if someone has like a garden, I know that you do a
37:48
little bit of gardening yourself and you grow some of these
37:50
amazing things and flowers and whatnot.
37:53
What are some of the things that you think are a bit of a staple
37:58
that somebody should really be that simple, easy stuff to be
38:03
growing at home that is quite commonly used, or something that
38:07
people can really get lots of value out of if they're growing
38:10
themselves for free, obviously. Yeah, Yeah.
38:14
So I just want to go back to what something else you said
38:18
then that is really relevant as well.
38:21
And that was, you know, you can pick up these sort of cheap and
38:24
nasty supplements off the shelf in the supermarket.
38:27
You know, these brands might be like on sale for $3.59.
38:32
And you think, oh, this is natural, this will help me.
38:35
And of course it's cheap, it's nasty, and it's the marketing
38:40
companies are jumping on the trend of, you know, natural
38:47
medicine and thinking, ohh, we can make money out of this.
38:50
Everyone knows that magnesium that, you know, people need more
38:54
magnesium. A lot of people, for example, a
38:57
lot of people are deficient in magnesium.
38:59
So the marketing companies, as long as it says magnesium is
39:04
going to get all those people that think, oh wow, yeah, I
39:07
know. I got some magnesium.
39:08
It was on sale for $3.69 and it's useless.
39:11
It hasn't done anything. So this whole natural medicine
39:14
thing is it's not real. It doesn't help, It's quasi.
39:17
Yeah. So the frustrating thing about
39:21
that is yes, it's great that you know pharmacies and you know,
39:27
you just Charlie be herbalist that sold herbs and you know
39:32
natural medicines. Now you can get all sorts of
39:35
natural medicines through the chemist, but The thing is when,
39:40
oh, so let me go back to my magnesium story.
39:43
There's so many different forms of magnesium.
39:46
True out there. There is like there's about 9
39:49
different types of magnesium. Some are better absorbed by the
39:52
body and some are not absorbed by the body.
39:55
So the, for example, there's a form of magnesium that's in a
39:58
lot of your cheap and nasty supplements called magnesium
40:01
oxide and it is not absorbed by the body.
40:04
It's actually used. In the preparation that you
40:07
take, if you're having a colonoscopy and everything needs
40:10
to be completely cleaned out, they will give you this
40:14
preparation that will clean you out and that contains magnesium
40:17
oxyficide and that's the function of it.
40:20
So when you're taking that, but it's the cheapest version of it.
40:24
So when you're taking that, it's not absorbing in the body.
40:28
It's actually, you know, helping to clean you out.
40:31
So it can help you if you need to clean out, but if you're
40:34
deficient in magnesium, it's not helping, it's not going to
40:37
absorb. So, you know, we're sort of,
40:41
we're in this situation where we need to be educated properly.
40:46
And that's why there's proper qualifications in natural
40:50
medicine, in herbal medicine and nutrition and, you know,
40:57
neutropathy. So we can learn the different
41:01
types, the formats, the availability to our bodies and
41:07
what we should be using. So then we have, you know, the
41:10
retail companies that are jumping on board, but we have
41:14
practitioner only supplement companies that try to make these
41:18
in the best quality format. So going to a naturopath or a
41:22
herbalist or a nutritionist is going to be the best way to find
41:26
out exactly what you know, that what you need rather than, oh,
41:30
you know, it popped up in my Facebook feed and it keeps
41:32
popping up in my Facebook feed. It pops up in your Facebook feed
41:36
because that's clever marketing because there's money behind
41:39
that. And that's what, you know, all
41:42
the marketing again, wants you to think, oh, wow, and I must
41:46
need this in my life because it's, you know, but that's,
41:48
that's because it's paid advertising.
41:52
So yes, it's important to be educated properly.
41:59
So either, you know, doing proper, proper education
42:03
yourself or seeing a qualified practitioner to understand so
42:07
you're not wasting your money on these things that are lining the
42:11
supermarket shelves because someone's caught on that, well,
42:17
magnesium is the trend. Oh, collagen is the trend.
42:20
Oh, this is the trend. This is the trend.
42:21
We'll make money out of it. So yeah.
42:24
But, you know, yeah, yeah. I well, I.
42:28
Just before. We go, sorry, just before we go
42:30
back to the plants, I want to just share a story on that as
42:33
well, because I think you're very much on the money with
42:38
understanding the type of magnesium or what in that
42:43
instance that that it is. Because when my wife and I were
42:49
having had our first child and when she was pregnant, they,
42:53
they always tell you to have folate as a, as something.
42:57
And I'm sure you've heard this one before.
42:59
And you see these like folate enriched white bread, which, you
43:03
know, makes me cringe. But the, the, the, the
43:07
understanding that I did because I, I was like, look, I
43:09
understand that not everything we read and we see is as it is.
43:13
And I think understanding, OK, what is the actual mechanism
43:16
behind this that we're actually trying to serve here?
43:20
And what is the best version of that?
43:22
And for example, that's that research made me come across the
43:27
fact that methylated versions of vitamins A lot better for our
43:33
body because they're going like in our body, they have to go
43:35
through that process of methylation before they are able
43:39
to be uptaken. And so now having a methylated
43:43
folate version was markedly better on all of the blood
43:48
results throughout the whole thing and actually really,
43:51
really helped. Whereas just taking your basic
43:54
folate supplement that you might get off the shelf at the
43:56
supermarket was not doing any of that actual addition of folate.
44:01
And the doctors unfortunately are told to recommend go and
44:04
just get some folate. They don't explain to you.
44:07
And I had to actually explain to the GP or I think it was
44:10
actually one of the midwives at the hospital that we're taking
44:14
the methylated version. And she said, what's that?
44:17
And she didn't know and she didn't understand that there are
44:21
some, sometimes some, some sort of missing link in the chain,
44:25
which makes, you know, you're not able to turn that folate
44:29
into the methylated version to absorb.
44:31
And she didn't understand that. And that kind of along with our,
44:36
Oh my goodness, my, our nutrition lesson at the
44:39
hospital, which was quite laughable.
44:42
She said, she said, what about I have to tell this story because
44:45
it makes me laugh so much. She said, what about someone
44:50
asked a question? What about fast food in terms of
44:52
like, you know, what do we do for fast food?
44:55
And I piped up, being the, you know, smart aleck that I am.
44:58
And I said, we don't, you don't eat it.
45:00
You don't have smart food, you eat Whole Foods.
45:02
And then the nutritionist turned around and said, but we're all
45:06
human beings, so choose a cheeseburger over a Big Mac.
45:11
And I was like, Oh my goodness. So anyway, they're telling,
45:15
they're telling people this in public hospitals to that we're
45:20
all human and a little cheeseburger here and there is
45:22
not a bad thing. And they didn't understand these
45:24
different things. And like that sort of really
45:26
affirmed to me that, OK, I really need to understand myself
45:30
rather than sort of just trusting what we're being told
45:34
the whole time and sort of just like it helps to understand the
45:37
mechanism as to why we do all of these things.
45:40
So I just have to share that, share that little story.
45:43
Can I? Yeah, I want to say something
45:45
about that too, before we move on.
45:47
Of course. Yeah, please.
45:49
Absolutely can relate to that. And yeah, so I had a similar
45:56
situation where a family member is got quite a debilitating
46:02
disease. You know, it's a, it's a disease
46:08
he won't get over, but he is so much so that he's off his food,
46:16
can't eat much food, you know, isn't hungry.
46:20
And the dietitian, in all her wisdom, I shouldn't.
46:25
I shouldn't. Be I know what you mean though.
46:30
So, so he's lactose intolerant as well.
46:35
And, you know, he was sort of they, he, he was looking for
46:39
ideas of, you know, what am I supposed to do for an evening
46:43
meal? I don't feel like an evening
46:45
meal. It's hard to digest.
46:47
I'm not hungry. I'm not enjoying food.
46:50
And she said, Oh well, you know, the best thing you can do is
46:54
just have some crackers and cheese.
46:57
And I thought, hang on, he's lactose intolerant and a plain
47:02
cracker has absolutely 0 nutrient value.
47:06
So she's just increasing his, you know, reaction and, you
47:16
know, disruption to his digestive system as well by
47:21
telling him to have this. So it's it's so ridiculous, some
47:26
of the the advice out there and just the lack of knowledge as
47:29
well from these, you know, supposed professional people.
47:34
And yeah, the folic acid thing is, is very common.
47:39
Folic acid is again not absorbed by the body, especially if you
47:45
that's a whole nother pathway to go down.
47:47
But you know, if you have the MTHFR gene, you can't, you can't
47:52
absorb folic acid. So people who are deficient in
47:56
folate, which is a lot of people, and yes, folate is very
48:00
essential to, you know, health for pregnancy and that sort of
48:09
thing. So people think, or they used to
48:13
say to have the, you know, whatever the common one was at
48:16
the time, the folic acid supplement, and that can be
48:20
doing the damage that it's supposed to rectify.
48:23
Yeah, again, with so many medications, they actually do
48:26
more damage then, and they actually contribute to the
48:29
problem that they're supposed to be solving.
48:31
And folic acid is one of those because then that's making you
48:35
more and more deficient and, you know, find a bifida risk and all
48:40
that sort of thing, but so much more than that.
48:42
So yes. Yeah, you're, you're so.
48:44
Absolutely. It's a, it's a difficult 1.
48:47
And I think like, you know, I'm, I'm aware because there's like,
48:53
I'm guilty of it as, as, as anyone, but I, it's easy to kind
48:58
of go like there's so much ridiculousness out there.
49:01
But I think it will just all it does for me is highlights that
49:05
we need to take a little bit more personal sovereignty,
49:08
personal responsibility and accountability for our health
49:11
and basically looking into these things properly so that you
49:15
understand. Because first and foremost, the
49:17
health is, is the, the number one thing.
49:19
If we wake up in the morning and somebody in our family who's
49:23
close to us, like you mentioned is not well, everything else
49:26
doesn't matter. So I think having a focus on
49:29
understanding our health, understanding, OK, like I need
49:33
to really understand how I work and, and, and tick and what I
49:37
need can, can be the, the main driver of, of all sorts of
49:42
things downstream from that. I'm conscious of time, but I
49:47
want to jump back into the plants before we finish, if
49:50
that's okay, Cuz I know that we could go down so many different
49:52
rabbit holes with this. And I really appreciate all of
49:55
your knowledge and insights on this.
49:57
So yeah, let's go. Because if we want to take our
50:01
health into our own hands and we want to maybe grow a few things
50:05
on the window sill or however you might do it in your garden
50:08
or what, whatever, Yeah. What are some common ones that
50:11
we can have that are good for good for us to have in the in
50:14
the kit? Yes, yeah.
50:18
OK. So with this, first of all, I
50:21
think when you're thinking about what herbs to grow, you have to
50:23
actually think about what you want the herbs for, what
50:30
conditions you have, what space you have, true and what you're
50:34
going to do with them. Because so many people love the
50:37
idea of growing herbs like, Oh yeah, I've got my little herb
50:40
garden growing, but they don't actually utilize the herbs
50:43
because they don't really know what to do with them.
50:46
So that's, you know, one of the reasons why I'm doing my herbal
50:49
medicine workshops is to teach people, you know, you can grow
50:52
this and this is the way that you can use it and using herbs
50:57
medicinally, there's so many different ways and learning
51:00
about those different applications and how you can use
51:02
it. So if we were going back down
51:05
to, you know, which particular herbs to grow and why, you know,
51:12
if you were looking at yeah, let's say you're growing herbs,
51:20
you've got a small space, you need to do a little bit of
51:25
research into how the herbs are going to grow.
51:28
So for example, one that you mentioned before was Elder,
51:32
another one is mugwort, and another one is moringa.
51:37
So these aren't little, tiny, little cute little plants.
51:40
They all grow into these giant monstrosities that you can't,
51:45
you know, for example, my moringa, it's like twice as high
51:48
as my huge high carport and I can't even reach the foliage.
51:52
So that isn't, you know, something that you can put in a
51:55
cute little space. So you need to be mindful of
51:58
that as well. And that some, some herbs want
52:02
to be in your life and some don't.
52:03
So some people, you know, you won't have any luck growing a
52:07
particular herb, even though you really, really want it, But
52:10
that's when you can buy also the the dried herbs.
52:14
So yeah, chamomile is, is one that there's, I did a, I did a
52:23
talk for the QLD Herm Society recently and it was 32 ways of
52:28
cultivating calm creatively with chamomile.
52:31
So chamomile you can use for so many things and it is one of the
52:36
safest, most gentlest herbs that you know, a young baby you can
52:42
use up to an elderly person. It's very good for, you know,
52:48
for calming, for calming the anxious or the overactive child.
52:52
It's great for preparing us for, you know, digestion, for sleep.
52:59
It's good for so many things. So chamomile is one that in
53:04
saying all that, I can't grow it.
53:06
I have tried to grow it so many times and it dies all the time.
53:11
So it some reason doesn't want to be my life.
53:13
But when you can get get it and grow it, it's great to have.
53:17
Yeah. Comfrey is another one that is
53:19
great to have in your garden. You would know all about this
53:21
because of its benefits to you know, the actual garden and
53:27
giving nutrients to all the other plants and everything.
53:29
But comfrey is one that it's great for first aid.
53:34
So if you were, you can make a comfrey poultice for, you know,
53:38
assisting with anything sort of skin related, but also ligaments
53:46
and bones. It was known as yeah, yeah as
53:49
knit bone. And that's one of the things I
53:51
do in my medicinal herbs workshop too, is we make comfort
53:53
poultice and we apply it and it's so easy.
53:56
And you can make them and keep them in the freezer for if you
53:59
know someone has an injury. Aloe Vera is obviously a good
54:04
one that you can utilize for again, mainly topically, but
54:07
also internally as well. It's actually good for the
54:11
digestive system. But you know, everyone needs a
54:14
aloe Vera plant in their garden for, you know, more sort of
54:20
first aid use like burns. Just race out.
54:24
Even sunburn. I lathered myself, I got really
54:28
badly sunburned not that long ago, and I just lathered myself
54:32
in aloe Vera and it as it dried, I just kept putting more and
54:35
more and more on. And the relief that it gave me,
54:39
yeah, it's just so effective. And there it is just in the
54:42
garden, straight from nature. And you can pop a bit of the gel
54:47
just into a water bottle and sip on that as well.
54:49
Calendula is another one that is great for skin healing and I do
54:55
a Yarrow also is great for skin healing.
54:58
It's really, really easy to grow.
54:59
It's also known as a steptic. So a steptic actually stops
55:04
bleeding. So if you've got a cut or
55:06
something, you can just grab some Yarrow.
55:08
But I do have a story about the calendula.
55:12
So calendula, chamomile, chic weed, and Yarrow.
55:17
I made-up a herbal and infused oil, which then I turned into a
55:22
salve and I made some up for this particular family member
55:27
that I was mentioning before. So he also has quite irritated
55:36
skin. So he's just, you know, unable
55:38
to, you know, to walk and stuff. And so he's sitting there.
55:42
So his skin has become sort of quite stagnant and quite
55:44
irritated and sore. So I made-up this herbal cream
55:50
for him and it worked wonders. It was, it was amazing.
55:53
So anyway, he had the nurses come in.
55:56
He has the nurses come in all the time and he has a feeding
55:59
tube. And the sight of the feeding
56:01
tube became quite red and irritated.
56:04
So they said, you know, oh, you need to go and get this specific
56:07
cream from the chemist and, you know, it'll, it'll heal that up.
56:12
And I couldn't help myself. And I kind of said, oh, I've
56:15
actually, you know, made-up this herbal cream.
56:18
It's got calendula blah blah, blah blah.
56:20
And they said Oh no, no, no, this, this is the one that you
56:23
need. This is what they use for nappy
56:24
rash. And anyway, so I send to my
56:33
family members partner afterwards, you know, the best
56:37
thing for nappy rash is this cream that I made.
56:39
And she knew how great this cream was because she'd seen the
56:43
success. Anyway, I thought, you know,
56:45
that's their journey and everything.
56:47
And so later on I was going up the street and I said, oh, did
56:49
you want me to go to the chemist and get that particular cream
56:52
that they wanted you to get? And she said no, I'm just going
56:55
to use your cream. I know that it you know that it
56:58
works. Anyway, so she phoned me the
57:00
next day and said or was it the next day or next couple of days?
57:05
Anyway, next time I talk to her, which was not long after that,
57:07
she said it's cleared it up perfectly and I just used your.
57:11
And so I mean, there it is. It's it's real, it's true, it
57:14
works, it's gentle, there's no side effects.
57:17
It's not going to do anything else.
57:19
So, yeah, and I think too, when you're choosing about which
57:23
herbs to plant in your garden, like I sort of, you know, came
57:27
back to before, think about what you want to use it for.
57:30
So there's culinary use as well. There's medicinal use.
57:34
And sometimes you can choose herbs where you can use for a
57:37
lot of different things. So you might be feeding your
57:40
chooks or you know, that there might be a whole heap of
57:44
different things that you want to use.
57:46
You might be making smudge sticks, for example.
57:49
So and sage is one that comes to mind.
57:53
Sage you can use culinarily. So we're kind of used to pairing
57:57
sage with chicken and quite often culinary herbs have come
58:02
about because of their medicinal use.
58:04
So pairing sage with chicken, it helps to break down fats.
58:10
So that's gonna help you to digest that fatty chicken meal.
58:13
So sage is also good for sore throat.
58:18
So you can do a sage in time tea, for example, to relieve
58:21
sore throats. Sage is also great for anyone
58:24
experiencing hot flushes. So you can have a tea for that
58:27
as well. And obviously, you know, you can
58:29
make the the smudge sticks and have some fun with sage as well.
58:32
So it might be that you're thinking about, you know, what
58:36
herbs can I do lots and lots of different things with.
58:39
So, you know, keeping keeping that in mind as to what you want
58:43
to be planting in your garden. Yeah, that's such a really good
58:46
point because, you know, like I said, I was just saying what can
58:50
people grow? But it's thinking about those
58:52
crossovers and how you can have the overlap between what you
58:56
might be cooking with or, or you know, what you can use
58:59
medicinally and things like this.
59:00
And I've got various, quite a few of all of those that you
59:05
mentioned. And in, like you said, with the,
59:07
the comfrey and stuff, I, I've got multiple different uses I'm
59:10
having for that, for the aloe Vera.
59:13
Rosemary is another one that comes to mind that I use quite a
59:15
lot. We use that for a, for a hair,
59:17
actually for Scout, my wife being a hairdresser and things.
59:19
So all of these different things that you can grow, I think is
59:23
understanding, you know, between you and I, somebody who
59:26
understands the medicinal purposes of them and how to use
59:29
them in that sort of way. But also what I can do in, in
59:32
terms of mapping out the garden and how that might look for them
59:36
in terms of actually growing it in the care of it and, and
59:39
whereabouts in the world that you are.
59:41
Because we do have listeners from all over the world.
59:43
So it may be different as to where these particular people
59:46
are coming from as to what you might grow there.
59:49
And something else that comes to mind in this regard is like
59:52
seasonal fruit and vegetables. How certain, for example, like
59:56
the the the fruit, the the citrus fruit that is supposed to
1:00:01
contain a lot of vitamin C if we're growing, if it's growing
1:00:04
correctly? Will help you out in that, in
1:00:07
that flu season, that's generally when they sort of are
1:00:09
coming about. That's generally when these
1:00:11
things are doing the job that they are supposed to be doing
1:00:15
for us at that time. So it's yeah.
1:00:17
So it's understanding, yes, these plants as to OK, when
1:00:22
might they be useful having those crossovers, which I really
1:00:24
appreciate you touching on and then being able to understand
1:00:28
how to actually use them. So yes, yeah.
1:00:33
Is there anything else that you think that we should touch on
1:00:36
that we might not have touched on already in in regards to all
1:00:39
of this whole topic? Probably a lot, yeah.
1:00:42
Yeah, there's, there's so much to talk about, isn't there?
1:00:45
But just with what you were just saying then about being in
1:00:48
season. So that's sort of like your
1:00:50
baseline for optimal eating as well is, you know, is it locally
1:00:55
grown? Is it organic and is it in
1:00:58
season? And if you tick all those boxes,
1:01:00
that's going to be the best for you right now.
1:01:03
Rather than having something that's, you know, grown with
1:01:06
pesticides and chemicals. It's been in storage in, you
1:01:10
know, the the freezer for like 2 years.
1:01:13
It's then transported across the other side of the world by the
1:01:18
time it gets to you and on your plate, there's no nutritional,
1:01:21
very little nutritional value left.
1:01:23
So, you know, we can be optimizing the, you know, the
1:01:27
types of foods that we eat for their medicinal benefits as
1:01:33
well. Beautiful.
1:01:51
There we have it. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you
1:01:52
so much for listening. As I said many times on this
1:01:56
podcast, but this one for sure, we could have dived down so many
1:01:59
different rabbit holes and so many different areas of this
1:02:03
because it's not just a simple Band-Aid, one-size-fits-all fix
1:02:10
in terms of these health issues and expressions that we're
1:02:13
seeing. It's more about trying to
1:02:15
understand the nuances that make us tick as individuals also
1:02:19
collectively, I suppose, as well, and the environment.
1:02:22
And then what we can do about that, how we can take some
1:02:24
sovereignty back into our own hands and really take charge of
1:02:28
our own health. And it's something that I'm
1:02:30
really passionate about. I know obviously Carmen is super
1:02:32
passionate about it. Very grateful to her for sharing
1:02:35
that passion with us all today. So if you're inspired by
1:02:38
anything that she said today, I would highly recommend going and
1:02:41
checking out her links. As always, in the description
1:02:44
below, there's some Facebook pages, there's her website, and
1:02:48
there's also a link there so that you can have a booking
1:02:50
consult with her so you can have a chat, go through the things
1:02:53
that she was talking about there today.
1:02:55
Understand where you're at with your health and how you can then
1:02:58
take that and understand yourself more deeply and do
1:03:01
something about it for yourself at home.
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