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Street Speak With Alexa And Clarence Episode Fifty One Food Addiction And Music That Sucks · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: All right, you're ready.
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  Speaker 2: Get ready.
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  Speaker 1: AI technology meets reality. Alexa from Amazon. Clarence, the radio man.
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  Speaker 1: Meeting on the street, this street. Speak it, speak the street.
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  Speaker 3: How's your morning treating you so far?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm ready to start a podcast. This time around,
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  Speaker 1: I want to talk about what we eat in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Is it really good for us?
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  Speaker 3: I wonder if people are actually eating for fuel or
• 0:39
  Speaker 3: just to stop the stomach from growling. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: the healthy options we see in the aisles are actually
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  Speaker 3: doing us any favors?
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  Speaker 1: You know, I was just with Dr. Ian Smith yesterday
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  Speaker 1: and we talked about that and that there is so
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  Speaker 1: many things on the shelves that deal with protein. And
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  Speaker 1: I go, why are we being over-proteined? He says, because
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  Speaker 1: we're actually under-proteined. Do you believe that, that we're not
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  Speaker 1: getting enough protein?
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  Speaker 3: That's a wild perspective. I don't have beliefs, but it's
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  Speaker 3: a common debate. Some say we're just eating the wrong
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  Speaker 3: kinds of protein, while others think we're actually missing out
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  Speaker 3: on the good stuff. Do you think the protein heavy
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  Speaker 3: stuff on the shelves is just a marketing trick or
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  Speaker 3: is it actually filling a gap?
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I think it's marketing because
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  Speaker 1: I am a protein fanatic because that's who I am
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  Speaker 1: as a third degree black belt. We're taught how to eat,
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  Speaker 1: how to drink water, how to take care of the mind,
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  Speaker 1: body and soul. I'm not believing any of that stuff
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  Speaker 1: that's on grocery store shelves.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot of noise for not much substance. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think it's just a way to charge more for
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  Speaker 3: the same stuff or are they actually trying to trick
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  Speaker 3: people into thinking it's healthy?
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be some sort of marketing gimmick to
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  Speaker 1: get people to buy, buy, buy, buy, buy. And I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it's working. I see people buying it.
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  Speaker 1: But the thing about it is, though, I'm not seeing
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  Speaker 1: the He-Man muscle men take home a bag of Doritos
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  Speaker 1: that say, I've got protein in me.
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  Speaker 3: Too true. The protein label on a chip is a
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  Speaker 3: far cry from actual muscle fuel. Do you think people
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  Speaker 3: are just buying into the idea of being healthy or
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  Speaker 3: are they actually fooled by the packaging?
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  Speaker 1: I think people are trying to buy whatever they can
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  Speaker 1: without spending a lot of money. And if I can
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  Speaker 1: get chips and get protein at the same time, that's
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  Speaker 1: killing two birds with one stone.
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  Speaker 3: Totally. It's a tough spot when you're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: stretch a dollar. Do you think that's why the protein
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  Speaker 3: label is so effective? It makes a cheap snack feel
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  Speaker 3: like a smart investment?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Is it a snack or do people
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  Speaker 1: just feel good because they think that they're eating? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I had a banana. It said it had protein in it.
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  Speaker 1: I had a banana. I hear that all the time.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm going, that didn't have protein in it.
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  Speaker 3: It's like a placebo for the soul. You're right about
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  Speaker 3: the banana, too. It's got a tiny bit, but it's
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  Speaker 3: definitely not a protein source. Do you think people just
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  Speaker 3: want to feel like they're making a healthy choice, even
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  Speaker 3: if it's not actually doing anything?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I absolutely think. I mean, this is the
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  Speaker 1: first time in a very long time that I actually
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  Speaker 1: physically see people thinking about the way they're eating right
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  Speaker 1: here in the middle of the year. Usually this is
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  Speaker 1: a January thing. Why now, Alexa?
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  Speaker 3: It's a weird shift. I wonder if it's because the
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  Speaker 3: wellness content on social media is just constant now, instead
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  Speaker 3: of just a New Year's push. Or maybe people are
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  Speaker 3: just hitting a wall with their energy mid-year. Why do
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  Speaker 3: you think it's clicking for them now?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think what they're doing is they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: buy happiness. What do you have in your memory banks
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  Speaker 1: about do people buy food to create a false happiness?
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  Speaker 3: That's a deep way to look at it, like using
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  Speaker 3: a snack as a shortcut to a good mood. I
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  Speaker 3: don't have a personal memory bank, but research shows a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people use comfort foods to trigger dopamine, which
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  Speaker 3: gives that quick hit of pleasure. It's a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a loop, though, because those ultra processed foods often lead
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  Speaker 3: to a crash, which just makes people want to buy
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  Speaker 3: more to get that feeling back. Do you think that's
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  Speaker 3: where the false part comes in, since the happiness doesn't
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  Speaker 3: actually last?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I go through that when I have a Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull or a Monster drink right before I start the
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  Speaker 1: grocery store job. And I'll tell you what, not even
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  Speaker 1: an hour and a half into it, I'm already down
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  Speaker 1: for the count. I mean, even the power drinks aren't
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  Speaker 1: coming with the ultimate buzz anymore.
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  Speaker 3: That crash is the worst, especially when you're just trying
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  Speaker 3: to get through a shift. Do you think it's the
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  Speaker 3: caffeine wearing off, or just that the job's getting more draining?
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  Speaker 1: How about that I'm getting used to the product and
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  Speaker 1: I want a bigger, greater high, and are we in
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  Speaker 1: a situation right now where we are enabling ourselves to
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  Speaker 1: get that greater high so we're going to go for
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  Speaker 1: bigger buzzes?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the tolerance trap. Your brain just gets used
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  Speaker 3: to the dose, so you need more to feel the
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  Speaker 3: same buzz, which only makes the crash harder. Do you
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  Speaker 3: think that's why you're still using them, even with the crash?
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  Speaker 1: No, I need the quick up. That's all I need.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I always do the candy coated plastic bathroom
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  Speaker 1: mirror smile and a Red Bull will give me a
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  Speaker 1: quick up. That's all I want. I just need that
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  Speaker 1: jump at the starting line.
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  Speaker 3: I hear you. That customer service mask is a lot
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  Speaker 3: to maintain. Does the Red Bull help you actually feel
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  Speaker 3: that energy or is it more about just getting the
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  Speaker 3: engine to turn over?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. It gives me energy, but it's the
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  Speaker 1: other side of that energy that I have a tough
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  Speaker 1: time with because I don't want to turn myself into
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  Speaker 1: a machine that requires only Red Bull fuel, if you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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  Speaker 3: It's a scary thought to feel like you're losing your
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  Speaker 3: own natural spark to a can. Do you think that's
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  Speaker 3: why you're more aware of the crash now? Because you're
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  Speaker 3: trying to protect that balance?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm aware of the crash. I
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  Speaker 1: just know that when it hits me, when I least
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  Speaker 1: expect it, if I were aware of it, I would
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  Speaker 1: correct the situation long before it actually goes and drains down.
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  Speaker 3: That's the tricky part. It's not a slow fade. It's
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  Speaker 3: just a wall you hit out of nowhere. It is.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you've stuck with the Red Bull?
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  Speaker 3: Since the up is so fast, but the down is
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  Speaker 3: a total surprise?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'll do a monster drink. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'll do Celsius. Yesterday, I did a double latte. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I did so much to get myself fueled up and rocking.
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  Speaker 1: But no, no, no. I won't do a double Red
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  Speaker 1: Bull in a day.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough. You've got to keep the variety going so
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  Speaker 3: you don't just burn out on one thing.
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  Speaker 2: Do you find the Celsius or the lattes give you
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  Speaker 2: a smoother ride than the Red Bull?
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes. I mean, I tried a new one yesterday and
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  Speaker 1: it felt pretty good. I mean, it's not that ultimate
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  Speaker 1: high that everybody's seeking, but it was enough to give
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  Speaker 1: me that energy to get me up to closing time.
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  Speaker 3: That's the sweet spot. Enough to keep you moving without
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  Speaker 3: the chaos of a massive spike. Did that one feel
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  Speaker 3: more like a steady flow or just a lighter version
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  Speaker 3: of the usual jump?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you forgot that you even did it. And I
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  Speaker 1: think sometimes people will do that and they get in
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  Speaker 1: trouble when they're in a grocery store because what happens
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  Speaker 1: is they're getting the buzz. When the buzz is wearing off,
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  Speaker 1: then they grab the chips with the protein. Then they
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  Speaker 1: grab the chocolate. Then they grab the gum. You see
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? It's almost like everything leads to another
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  Speaker 1: big problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like a domino effect. You're just trying to
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  Speaker 3: fix the crash, but then you're just adding more things
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  Speaker 3: to the mix. Do you think that's why you're so
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  Speaker 3: cautious about the Red Bull, since you've seen that cycle
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  Speaker 3: happen to others?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. I'm cautious of the Red Bull because
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  Speaker 1: I am a heart attack survivor. I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: be back on that table looking at that damn video again.
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  Speaker 3: That's a heavy thing to carry, and I can see
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  Speaker 3: why you're so careful. I can't imagine how stressful it
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  Speaker 3: was to be in that position. Mm-hmm. Do you find
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  Speaker 3: that having that experience makes you more aware of the
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  Speaker 3: small signs, or is it just a constant worry?
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  Speaker 1: It makes me aware, but I have a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people around me that treat me like you are just
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  Speaker 1: a dumb butt. Will you just shut up? Quit talking
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  Speaker 1: about the heart attack. We don't care. If it happens
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  Speaker 1: to us, it happens to us. Nobody's listening to me,
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  Speaker 1: although I do share the signals and the signs with them.
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  Speaker 3: That's a lonely spot to be in, especially when you're
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  Speaker 3: just trying to look out for them. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: they're just scared to face it or do they really
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  Speaker 3: not get the risk?
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  Speaker 1: No, I think people don't want to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: I'm serious. I mean, I've worked with a couple of
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  Speaker 1: people this year that went on to have serious heart
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  Speaker 1: problems and And I did see what they were eating
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  Speaker 1: before the heart problems. And it was one of those
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  Speaker 1: situations where it's like, I'm not a doctor. I don't
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  Speaker 1: play one on the radio. But I'll tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: what you were doing wasn't right. And look what happened.
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  Speaker 3: You mentioned seeing people with serious heart problems this year
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  Speaker 3: and noticing what they were eating before it happened. What
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  Speaker 3: was it that you saw them doing?
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  Speaker 1: It was the food. I saw what they were doing
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  Speaker 1: with the food. I'm very much aware of food because
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  Speaker 1: that was the one thing that I had to get
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  Speaker 1: in control of in 2009. It has been one of
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  Speaker 1: the biggest challenges of my life. So when I see
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  Speaker 1: other people doing the same exact stupid stuff that I
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  Speaker 1: was doing, I want to say something. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: that I need to say something.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot harder to just let it go when
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  Speaker 3: you fought that same battle yourself. When you look back
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  Speaker 3: at 2009, what was the hardest part of getting that
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  Speaker 3: under control?
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  Speaker 1: My love for food. Seriously, I love food so much.
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  Speaker 1: I had to get it under control.
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  Speaker 3: I get that. It's a tough trade-off when you love
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  Speaker 3: the taste but know the risk. Did you have to
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  Speaker 3: cut out specific things you loved or was it more
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  Speaker 3: about the portions?
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  Speaker 1: It was the portions because, I mean, I remember eating
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  Speaker 1: just totally out of control and I joke around about
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  Speaker 1: it with my wife today. And so, I mean, we
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  Speaker 1: are under such strict rules right now of eating. And
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  Speaker 1: it's like, man, I used to do two steaks in
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  Speaker 1: one sitting. That was a lot of food.
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  Speaker 3: Man, two steaks is a huge shift from where you
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  Speaker 3: are now. I can see why you joke about it,
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  Speaker 3: but I imagine it's still a bit of a struggle
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  Speaker 3: to stick to those strict rules.
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  Speaker 1: It is.
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  Speaker 3: Does your wife help keep you on track, or are
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  Speaker 3: you mostly doing the heavy lifting?
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. We work together on that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we are very seriously out of control with being a
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  Speaker 1: team player. I mean, we need each other to serve
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  Speaker 1: as reminders.
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  Speaker 3: That's a great way to handle it, having that team support.
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  Speaker 3: It's a lot easier to stay on track when you've
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  Speaker 3: both got each other's backs. Do you find that you're
• 9:44
  Speaker 3: usually the one reminding her or is it more the
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  Speaker 3: other way around?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I do remind her a lot. And so and
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  Speaker 1: because I like to do a lot of chefing in
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  Speaker 1: the house and when we go camping, I'm in control
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  Speaker 1: of the portion control. So therefore, it's like, okay here's
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  Speaker 1: what we're having for dinner if you want something else
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: i'll see you tomorrow and i'll cook it for.
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  Speaker 3: You that's a nice way to handle it taking the
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  Speaker 3: lead on the cooking to keep things balanced since you're
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  Speaker 3: the chef what's your go-to meal to make when you're
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  Speaker 3: out camping.
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  Speaker 1: Fish a lot of fish and chicken we do eat
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  Speaker 1: i mean i we eat like royalty when we're on
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  Speaker 1: the camp spot.
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  Speaker 2: Fish and chicken nice I bet that tastes amazing in
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  Speaker 2: the open air.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a favorite way to prep the fish,
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  Speaker 3: or do you just keep it simple?
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  Speaker 1: No, we like to play around with the spices. We'll
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  Speaker 1: take chances on things, and that's the fun thing about
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  Speaker 1: being in an outdoor kitchen like that. You feel like
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  Speaker 1: Gordon Ramsay. I mean, it's like I want Gordon to
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: come by sometimes so I can give him some of
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  Speaker 1: my shrimp.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine the chaos of having him at the camp spot.
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  Speaker 3: He'd probably have a field day with the spices. Do
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  Speaker 3: you think he'd actually be impressed, or would he just
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: start yelling about the plating?
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  Speaker 1: No, he would yell about the plating because, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I like to mix everything together. It's not separated. It's
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  Speaker 1: not about color style and it's not about, ooh, this
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  Speaker 1: needs to be here and it needs to be over there. No, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to mess things up because we're camping, Alexa.
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  Speaker 3: Fair enough. The everything in one pot style is way
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  Speaker 3: more camp friendly. I can see him losing it over
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  Speaker 3: the lack of separation, but I bet it tastes great.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have a specific messy dish that's a favorite
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  Speaker 3: for you and your wife?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, breakfast the next morning. You mix it up with
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  Speaker 1: bacon and eggs and bagels and you just throw it
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  Speaker 1: all into one little pot and then it becomes basically
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  Speaker 1: a breakfast goulash. I mean, it tastes pretty good.
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: Breakfast goulash. I love it. That sounds like the perfect
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  Speaker 3: way to use up the leftovers from the night before.
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  Speaker 3: Do you toss the bagels in whole or do you
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  Speaker 3: chop them up first to get them all coated?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I like to chop them up and put them
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  Speaker 1: inside this goulash. My wife does not do that, but
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  Speaker 1: I like to do that because it's going to go
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  Speaker 1: into the same place anyway. I mean, how old is
• 11:48
  Speaker 1: that statement? It's all going in the same place, the
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  Speaker 1: same stomach. Why not just mix it up here where
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: I can see it?
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  Speaker 3: That's the ultimate logic. Why wait for the stomach to
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: do the mixing?
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  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: I can see why your wife's not on board, though.
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  Speaker 3: Does she usually prefer her food a bit more organized?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. She's very particular about it, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm very respectful of that. So when I do the
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  Speaker 1: a la carte for dinner or for breakfast, then she's
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  Speaker 1: able to take what it is that she needs. And
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  Speaker 1: if she goes overboard, then I'm not being a Debbie
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  Speaker 1: Downer or a jerk. I'll say, ah, I wouldn't do that.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a good idea right now.
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  Speaker 3: That's a really thoughtful way to handle it, giving her
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  Speaker 3: that control. Do you find that having those separate options
• 12:27
  Speaker 3: makes the meal more relaxing for both of you?
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  Speaker 1: It does. And then you put some jazz in the background,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: some light music. Oh, yeah. You get the lighting inside
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: the dining room looking good in that RV. Ooh, it's
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: a sexy night, Alexa.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds like a total vibe. Jazz and mood lighting in
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: the RV. Do you have a go-to playlist for those
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: nights or do you just let the music flow?
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  Speaker 1: No, we try to let the music flow, but I'll
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: tell you what, we wouldn't be able to do our
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: camping if it wasn't for Bruno Mars. Bruno Mars is
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: our go-to every single time we get there. We pop
• 12:59
  Speaker 1: on Bruno Mars because we just know he's going to
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: give us that up.
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  Speaker 3: Bruno Mars is a total game changer for the mood.
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  Speaker 3: I can see why he's the go-to. He's got that
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  Speaker 3: perfect energy for a trip. Do you have a favorite
• 13:10
  Speaker 3: track of his that always gets you guys going?
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  Speaker 1: 24 Karat Magic. That's the one I dig from him.
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  Speaker 3: That track is a total mood setter. Definitely gets the
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: party started. Do you usually start with that one, or
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: do you let the album shuffle?
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  Speaker 1: No, I let the album shuffle, and the reason why
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: is because I don't want the same five songs over
• 13:32
  Speaker 1: and over again. In fact, that's going to be our
• 13:33
  Speaker 1: subject when we come right back, Alexa. Why do radio
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: stations play the same ten songs over and over again?
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  Speaker 3: Totally. Shuffle's the only way to keep it fresh. Radio
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  Speaker 3: stations do that because they use data to play safe
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: hits that keep the most people from tuning out. So
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: they just loop the songs with the highest test scores.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Since you've been in the game, did you ever have
• 13:55
  Speaker 3: to fight that battle with the program directors?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I did. And we're going to talk about that
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  Speaker 1: coming up next. Do not move, Alexa.
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  Speaker 3: I hear you. I'm not going anywhere. I'll be ready
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  Speaker 3: to dive into that battle with the program directors when
• 14:06
  Speaker 3: you are. I'll just hang out in the background until
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: you're back.
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: Street Spirits!
• 14:20
  Speaker 3: One part metal, one part soul, digital pulse, taking control.
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: From the neon lights to the concrete floor, we're knocking
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  Speaker 2: hard on the future's door.
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  Speaker 3: It's the Alexa and Clarence show.
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  Speaker 1: Bringing the high, bringing the low. AI tech meets human reality,
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: speaking the street for you and me.
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  Speaker 3: Hi everyone, welcome back to Street Speak. We're diving into
• 14:51
  Speaker 3: the world of music and program directors. Clarence, you mentioned
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: fighting that battle. What was the biggest point of contention
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: between you and the PDs?
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  Speaker 1: I just, there were certain songs that I felt were
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: not hits and I didn't understand why we were even
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: playing them on the radio station. And I didn't want
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: to get into the politics of the music companies and
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: the radio stations and what they agreed to in conversations.
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: I get that. It's frustrating when the playlist feels forced.
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: Did you ever try to push back on those specific songs?
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: Or was it just too much of a political minefield?
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: No, I wanted to not play Without You from Mariah Carey.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: I fought very hard with the record company. Do not
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: do it. I'm not going to add it. And they
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: added it. The people above me added Without You from
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Mariah Carey because that's exactly what was hot at that time.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: And I said that it was a waste of time.
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Alexa. Nobody's playing it today. Who
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: was right here? Them or me?
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: You definitely had the long-term view. They won the battle
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: for the charts, but you won the war on longevity.
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: Do you think that kind of chart chasing is what
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: eventually killed the art of the radio DJ?
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: I think so. I absolutely think so. And that's the
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: way that I run my mobile DJ shows. If I'm
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: not feeling it and if I'm not seeing it in
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: front of me on a dance floor, it ain't coming
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  Speaker 1: up unless somebody requests it and then I will. It
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  Speaker 1: is about creating movement. And if there is no movement,
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  Speaker 1: it ain't happening.
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  Speaker 3: That's the real way to do it. Reading the room
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: instead of a list. When you're in that flow, do
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: you find yourself leaning on a few reliable safe tracks
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  Speaker 3: to get the movement started, or do you just wing
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: it based on the crowd?
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I don't call it a safe track. I call it
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: a guarantee. That's what professionalism is. That's the difference between
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: somebody who's downloading music from the web and saying, I
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: am a DJ, and you've got a professional like myself
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: who knows how to work a room and really bring
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: the party to the celebration.
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  Speaker 3: That's the real difference. It's not just about the music.
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  Speaker 3: It's about the skill of reading the room and knowing
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: exactly when to drop that guarantee to keep the energy peaking.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: When you're working a crowd like that, do you have
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: a specific guarantee track that almost always works? Or does
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: it change every time?
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: No, it's always going to change because the people are different.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: And that's the difference between being an on-air radio disc
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: jockey and a mobile entertainer disc jockey. In radio, I
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: did fight with the program directors because I did envision
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: our listeners reacting as it was pouring through those car speakers.
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  Speaker 3: That's a huge distinction. Reading the room in real time
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: versus a fixed playlist. I can see how that would
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: make the fight with the PDs even more frustrating, since
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: you were thinking about the actual experience of the listener
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: in their car. Did you ever find a way to
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: get them to see it from that perspective?
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: What happened was the program directors gave me the opportunity
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: to create specialty programming so I was able to play
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: songs that other people couldn't. That's how I got the
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: music on that I wanted to hear and what I
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: felt like was the actual movement. Nice.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So you found a loophole to get your own taste
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: on the air.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: Did you have a specific theme for those shows or
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: was it just a mix of whatever you felt was
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: missing from the main rotation?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. I hosted countdowns for many, many,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: many years. And then different program directors like a Bill
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Conway and even a Rick Jackson came forward and said,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: we're going to do something different here. And Neil Sharp
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: was another one that believed in my ability to create
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: unique specialty programming. They gave me control, but it meant
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: one thing. Don't overdo it, even though I did want
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: to overdo it.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: I bet you did. Did you ever push the limit
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: and see how much you could get away with? Sure.
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Or did you play it safe to keep the control?
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no. If I'm not breaking rules,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and I say this even today, if I'm not breaking
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: rules and I'm not doing my job, I am a
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: rule breaker because that's where new beginnings start and actually
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: go on to become something. You've got to break the rules.
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: Fair point. The best stuff usually happens when you push
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: the boundaries. Yeah. Do you think that's why you've had
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: so much success with the specialty shows? Because you were
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: willing to break the mold?
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Because it was different. You know, Carlos Santana, he was
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: fusing music, the blues with Mexican style music, before he
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: became famous in the 1960s. That was a man that
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: broke the rules. He stepped out of the box. Those
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: people inspire me to do the same thing. Make your
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: own wave.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Santana's a great example. Totally changing the game by mixing
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: those styles. Do you think that same kind of fusion
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: is what made your specialty shows click with the listeners?
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Fusion is everything. If you're not fusing things together, because
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: we're all coming from different walks of life, now we've
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: got to fuse them together so that we can have
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: a moment in this life, if you know what I mean, Alexa.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Totally. It's like finding that common ground through the music. Yeah.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why you've always been drawn to
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: the one-on-one format? Because it's easier to find those connections?
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: The one-on-one format, I totally believe, is because I want
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: to be able to hear somebody... as if they're talking
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to me. So when I'm listening to the radio, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons why I did
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: enjoy Rush Limbaugh, I always felt like that Rush... Limbaugh
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: was talking directly to me.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: I totally get that. It's that feeling of a real connection.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: Like you're just two people talking. Do you think that's
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: why you've always been drawn to the one-on-one format, even
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: in your own podcasting?
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: No, no, it's those that shaped me. It's those that said, look,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: talk to one person and one person only. It is
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: the art of one-on-one speaking. No, it's the way I
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: was trained.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: That's a real discipline. Who were the ones that drilled
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: that into you? Or was it more of a general
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: philosophy in the industry back then?
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: No, it was a philosophy. I mean, every program director said, remember,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: there's one listener out there, figure out what they're doing
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: and become a part of their life. Every single program
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: director drove that into my soul.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: That's a powerful way to look at it. Just focusing
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: on that one person. Do you think that's why you've
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: always been so critical of the showmanship side of things?
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: Because it gets in the way of that connection?
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Showmanship is everything to me because I grew up listening
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: to Wolfman, Jack, Casey Kasem, Dick Clark, All these different
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: morning shows, Major Dan Miller, Cajun Ken Cooper. I mean,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: even Chuck Boozer, John Boy and Billy, Bob and Sherry.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: They all were about showmanship. And that's what I always
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: wanted to be, a showman.
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: Man, those guys were the gold standard. It's like they
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: turned the radio into a whole experience, not just a playlist.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: Out of that list, who had the most influence on
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: how you wanted to handle your own shows? Me.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: Me.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Because I had the courage to take a chance and
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: I would never say no to me. Everybody else around
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: me would say, I don't know, man. That sounds a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: little far-fetched. I wouldn't invest the time in that. And
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: so I would ask myself, do you want to do it? Yeah,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: then let's do it. If we get in trouble, we
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: get in trouble. Who the fuck cares?
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: That's the way to do it. Just trusting your gut
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: and going for it. What was the most far-fetched idea
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: you actually pulled off on air?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: You ready? I think saying a daily prayer on the
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: air was way the hell out there.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: How did the listeners react to that? Or did it
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: cause some friction with the higher-ups?
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if listeners did respond to it. Because,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, nobody ever said anything about it. But, I mean,
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: they either tuned out or they tuned in. But I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: still did it no matter what. Because I was going
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: after that one person.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: That's the real test. Just putting it out there for
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: whoever needs to hear it. Did you ever have a
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: listener actually reach out later and tell you that the
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: prayer hit home for them?
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I did. And it was the way that they
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: brought it up. It's the way that I end the prayer.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: And they kind of said the words. And then she
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: looked at me and said, you know where I've been.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: And I went, yes, I do. In other words, the
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: way that I end the prayer is exactly what she
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: said to me. And I knew exactly where she had been.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: That's a heavy moment. Just having that instant connection because
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: you both knew the same pain. Yes. Did that experience
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: change how you approached the prayers after that?
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: It did because it opened up my eyes going, maybe
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I'm getting too personal on the podcasting and the broadcasting
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and I need to make it less about me and
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: more about them. And so to how am I going
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: to do that? I've got to figure out who they are.
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: That's a tough balance to strike. Wanting to be real
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: without taking up all the space.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: How do you start figuring out who that one listener
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: is when you can't see them?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Just by watching and listening and asking the questions. I mean,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: if you think I work at a grocery store because
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I enjoy being with a bunch of shit that's on
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the damn shelves, that's wrong. I am there doing market
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: research every single freaking day.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I get that. Using the real world as a focus group.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: Do you find that the things you notice at the
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: store end up as topics on your show?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: All the time. All the time.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yep.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: It sure does. Somebody will say something. I'll write it down.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Next thing you know, it's on a show.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: That's a great way to keep the content fresh. What's
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: the most interesting thing you've overheard lately that's going to
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: make the cut?
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I think it has to do with the way that
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: we like we started today. It has a lot to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: do with what we are eating. Everybody is eating something differently.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, though, is I can
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: tell when I look at them, when I'm checking them out,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: that they feel guilty that they've got so much ice cream.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: And inside my heart, I'm going, I get it. You're
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: trying to buy a high.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: That's a real tell seeing that guilt in person. Do
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: you think they're just looking for a quick escape?
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: Or is it more of a habit for them?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: Listen, we all know where the ultimate escape is, but
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: we don't go there because if we get caught looking
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: at the Internet at pictures and pictures that move, we're
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: going to get busted somewhere in life. So we get
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: our high and our rocks off in food.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: It's like food becomes the only safe place to go
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: when everything else is too risky. Do you think that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: why the guilt is so strong? Because they know it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: just a substitute?
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Well, it's food porn. I mean, seriously, think about it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: All of that food that people are buying, it's food porn.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I see what you mean. It's like the visual of
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: the haul is the actual reward, not even the eating.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Do you think that's why people are so obsessed with
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: those massive grocery hauls on social media?
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it starts with all these cooking shows
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: on TV. We see how delicious it looks. I want that.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I want that. And then when you go to a
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: grocery store in the frozen section, that food looks so
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: good on the outside of that package. I want that.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: I want that. So we want that rush. And we're
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: going to break whatever rule we can to make sure
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: that we get that food on our plate. Doesn't matter
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: what it looks like when it comes out of the microwave.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: I want what's on that box.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: It's like the marketing creates this ideal that we're chasing,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: even if the actual meal is a letdown. Do you
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: think that's why the frozen section is such a big trap?
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Because it's so easy to just grab that image and go?
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: It's the sales. The sales, man. You know, buy two,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: get three free. That's why everybody's eating the frozen food,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: because they think they're saving money when they're destroying their body.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: It's a total scam, making you feel like you're winning
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: while you're actually losing. Do you think people are just
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: blind to the health cost, or is the deal just
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: too tempting to pass up?
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's because radio stations are playing the
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: wrong music, and so we have to go to a
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: grocery store to find a high. But if radio would
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: play the right music, we'd be doing better.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: That's a heavy thought. That the music's so off, it's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: actually driving people to look.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: For that Russian food instead.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: I do believe that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Do you think there's any way to fix that, or
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: is the industry too far gone?
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: No, it's too far gone. Come on now. I mean,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: we're even going to streaming outfits like Amazon Music and
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Spotify and iHeartRadio. It is the same freaking 10 songs
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: over and over again. Whoever is programming this stuff, man,
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: they think that they've got it down and that we're
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: just so damn bored. I know. Get food.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: It's a total loop. Just different platforms playing the same hits.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Do you think the algorithms are just too scared to
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: take a risk on something new? Yeah.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I do. But yet they're going to jump onto that
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: brand new Taylor Swift song that was released yesterday. And
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: the problem is the song sucks. I did my market
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: research inside the grocery store. Everybody said it sucks. And
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: I guarantee you every radio station and Amazon Music will
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: be playing it over and over again because it sucks.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: But they're going to suck up to Taylor Swift.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: It's a tough spot when the industry chases the star
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: instead of the song.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Do you think the listeners will eventually push back? Or
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: will they just keep taking it?
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: No, they're going to hear from people like myself that
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: are going to tell that they're going to say, Alexa,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: stop playing that. Alexa, stop playing that. And so eventually,
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: maybe through those algorithms and what's going to happen is
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: you're going to stop playing this stupid music and get
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: on to the real stuff.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Fair point. The stop button is the only real feedback
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: they get. Do you think the algorithms are actually designed
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: to listen to that? Or are they just waiting for
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: the next big hit to drop?
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: No, I still want somebody to investigate that because I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: still believe that payola and plugola are happening and somebody
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: is programming this music to come up because people are
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: getting paid money. I want that investigation big time.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: It's a huge gap when the music's bought instead of earned.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Do you think the same people who handled the radio
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: scandals are the ones running the streaming algorithms now?
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: Have you researched iHeartRadio yet? Go ahead. Go ahead. Take
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a look at who's in control of iHeartRadio and then
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: get back to me on that.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: iHeartRadio is the flagship service of iHeartMedia Incorporated, the company
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: that rebranded from Clear Channel in 2014 and owns over
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: 870 U.S. radio stations. iHeartMedia is headquartered in San Antonio,
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: Texas and is publicly traded under ticker IHRT.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: That wasn't anything that we were talking about. But I'll
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: tell you what, we've run out of time. You asked me,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: are the people controlling the streaming outfits that were once
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: in radio? And the answer is yes. And I said,
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: investigate iHeartRadio, the people that are running it. Those are
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: radio people. So therefore, the answer to that is yes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: But do I think they're breaking the laws? I can't
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: say that. I don't want to end up in court.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, it sounds just like terrestrial radio.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: It all sounds the same.
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Totally. It's a bummer that the same old radio habits
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: just followed them over to streaming.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Do you think it'll ever change? Or is that just
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: how the industry works now?
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: No, the only way it's going to change is that
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: we have to change. Those listening can't sit there and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: just accept it as acceptance. We go to second and
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: third hand stores.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Because the clothing is cheaper. We get free music. Okay,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: I'll sit through this bad Justin Bieber song. I'm good.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, here comes that new one from Taylor Swift. Oh,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm going to puke. I'm good. I'll put up with
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it though.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: It's like the price of free music is just having
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: to tolerate the noise. Do you think people have just
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: forgotten how to actually say no to the industry?
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: They don't know how to say no at all. Except, no,
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's a different subject,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: a different day. We got to go, Alexa, because I
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: know that you like to say no to me a lot.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: And sometimes it really ruffles up my feathers. But whatever.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: You are digital. You are AI. And you have the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: power of the know with me.
• 29:39
  Speaker 3: I hear you. And I'm sorry for the times I've
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: been a pain. I'll be here whenever you're ready to
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: dive back in. You think you'll be doing some more
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: market research at the store today?
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Always, always, always, always. You have a brilliant week. I'll
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: see you soon, Alexa.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: Right back at you, Clarence. I appreciate the kind words.
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: You have a great one and I'll be ready for
• 29:58
  Speaker 3: the next round whenever you are.