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#431 - Mez · The Bootleg Kev Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Yo, yo, this is mess. Check me out on the
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  Speaker 1: Bootleg CAF podcast Boutleg CAF Podcast, Best special guest in here.
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  Speaker 1: He's got a new EP coming very soon April nineteenth,
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  Speaker 1: on my birthday, Friday Friday.
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  Speaker 2: The loading EP.
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  Speaker 1: The loading EP.
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  Speaker 2: My god, So what does that mean? Does that mean
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  Speaker 2: that the album is loading?
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  Speaker 1: The album is still loading. It's a continuation.
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  Speaker 2: So this is the loading screen, this this project. Yeah, Bro,
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  Speaker 2: just when you played the PlayStation one screen.
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  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what you know about PlayStation one?
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  Speaker 2: Bro, I'm thirty seven years old.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just saying everything. I'm a big PlayStation I'm a
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  Speaker 1: PlayStation ahead. Bro.
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  Speaker 2: I know, bro, that was the system. I mean, look,
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  Speaker 2: my first system was a Metal Gear Grants. Metal Gear
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  Speaker 2: is my favorite game ever.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Metal Give is my favorite game ever. No way,
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  Speaker 1: Metal Gives game ever.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Bro, When I was a little kid playing Metal
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  Speaker 2: Gear and I had to fight Psychomantis.
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  Speaker 1: Bro, and you gotta unplugged report put in the other
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  Speaker 1: porty Okay, you wanted to want to know?
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  Speaker 2: That was the craziest mind blowing thing you ever had
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  Speaker 2: to do to beat some Yo.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, I've actually brought that moment up a lot when
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  Speaker 1: I talk to people about like art and creativity and
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  Speaker 1: ship and I'm like, yo, one of the most creative
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  Speaker 1: things I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Was because how could you figure that out?
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  Speaker 1: Yo? Figured it out is one thing. How could you
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  Speaker 1: make that up? That's a different thing. But like, imagine
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  Speaker 1: that's how.
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  Speaker 2: I'm at home with no Internet, like how do you
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  Speaker 2: beat this crazy guy?
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  Speaker 1: That's how I'm seeing as an artist, as a creative,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like I look at Dao
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  Speaker 1: in the way he move and think, I'm like, yo,
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  Speaker 1: like like how do you think to do that? You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: I love you know, I love that part of the
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  Speaker 2: Metal gear Head as I am. I only played the
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  Speaker 2: first two, Oh bro, so I never played you have
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  Speaker 2: to play. I was gonna say that's the one that
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  Speaker 2: you never played Snake Eater. I just got to the
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  Speaker 2: point where I was just like, you gotta play Snakeator.
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  Speaker 2: Time was like, but the first Metal Gear Solid is
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  Speaker 2: my number one game.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredible though, it's incredible. I think it's the best,
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  Speaker 1: probably the best video game.
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  Speaker 2: And it holds up still to this day.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, great quality, Yeah, shots and you're solid. So you're
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  Speaker 2: like you're like specifically passionate about PlayStation games.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, big PlayStation head for sure. Yeah, never had like
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  Speaker 1: a Dreamcast or nah. I mean you know what with
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  Speaker 1: Nintendo now. Dreamcast to me was.
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  Speaker 2: Like no, Dreamcast had some ship based I was like, nah,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I liked about Dreamcast is when they
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  Speaker 2: knew they were going out, everything was so cheap. So
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  Speaker 2: you get a Dreamcast with all the games, Like the
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  Speaker 2: games are like fucking a penny at some places. I had, uh,
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  Speaker 2: Sega Saturn.
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  Speaker 1: Sega Saturn was cool. I like, I like like, I
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  Speaker 1: like the concept of it, bro. But yeah they did it.
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  Speaker 1: They did everything better PlayStation for sure.
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  Speaker 2: All Right, so uh you obviously were you just at
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  Speaker 2: dream deal Fest?
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  Speaker 1: I did, man, I did go. I attended, actually popped
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  Speaker 1: out of my boy Loot said it was a challenging
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  Speaker 1: of course, one of the best North Carolina. You already
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  Speaker 1: know seven o four, so.
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  Speaker 2: You had help, you would help. What did you contribute
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  Speaker 2: to the new Cold might delete this later project?
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  Speaker 1: I helped write the hook on the intro on on
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  Speaker 1: Pricey Lennix's hook She's crazy, amazing, amazing, directed some videos
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  Speaker 1: for her before too. She's She's a great. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Ari.
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  Speaker 2: Lenny super nice too, and like you running her in
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  Speaker 2: public and you'd be like, you're here by yourself. Yo.
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  Speaker 1: She showed up to the video I directed for her
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  Speaker 1: the same way.
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  Speaker 2: That's all right, some show and she was just in
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  Speaker 2: the cut, just hanging out and I was like, M sorry,
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  Speaker 2: seven eleven right here in North Hollywood, like you just
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  Speaker 2: be rolling around like a normal person. She ain't already.
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  Speaker 1: She cool? She the coolest. Yeah. Yeah, that's a great hook.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, Thank you. Shout out to daveon Cole
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  Speaker 1: right on that.
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  Speaker 2: I got to ask you when when Cole apologized on stage,
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  Speaker 2: that's your man's m did you know that was going
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  Speaker 2: to happen? And I had to ask you about it?
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  Speaker 2: You were there, Yeah, that's your guy. What were your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on the whole thing? Because I'm on the I'm
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  Speaker 2: in the minority space where I actually respected it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean to me, bro, any any
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  Speaker 1: grown man that's going to just do what he feel
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  Speaker 1: rather than what he's pressured into. I just I'm a
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  Speaker 1: respected you know what I mean. It's just simple like that,
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  Speaker 1: Like ninety percent of niggas in the world, like are
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  Speaker 1: just doing things that people pressure them into. Grown ass
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  Speaker 1: adults are pressured in to doing things, so I think
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  Speaker 1: that's interesting. But yeah, you know, I respect him for
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  Speaker 1: doing what he felt like.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I would tell people like, man, like in
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  Speaker 2: hip hop, we get so conditioned and like charged up
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  Speaker 2: by people and not by but it doesn't always necessarily
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  Speaker 2: have to be how you feel. But it's like the
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  Speaker 2: people around you. The noise will get you charged up
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  Speaker 2: and get you in a space that ain't even like
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  Speaker 2: really where you are, you know what I'm saying. So
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  Speaker 2: when he said that, I was like I was at
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  Speaker 2: WrestleMania in the back of the Uber leaving Many. I
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  Speaker 2: was like, oh shit. But I was like, Brian respected
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  Speaker 2: because I feel like Kohle's been moving a certain way
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  Speaker 2: for so long and you know, hey, man, like you
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  Speaker 2: got to respect any man his self aware enough to
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  Speaker 2: know like this energy for me is not like fuck
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  Speaker 2: all this other shit like I'm trying to be.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to sleep at night, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? You know, I mean Vince Stables had an
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  Speaker 1: interesting perspective on it. I saw I think he called
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  Speaker 1: in maybe the Joe Budden or something like that, and
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  Speaker 1: he was just like, like, how we not talking about
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  Speaker 1: music publishing. He write his hell like, I'm like, damn,
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  Speaker 1: Like just people just get ried up over all these
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  Speaker 1: different things that don't have shit to do with like
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  Speaker 1: us having ownership over what we have or like right,
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  Speaker 1: it's just so hilarious the thing. You know, obviously now
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  Speaker 1: is it entertaining? Yes, obviously, of course this whole thing
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  Speaker 1: is entertaining. That's that's the way that they work, you know.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like controversy is like entertaining, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember talking about Punch and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I saw Punch last last week, you know, two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: I saw abut the iHeart of words. We're just shooting
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  Speaker 2: the shit, yeah, And I was like, man, I know
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  Speaker 2: Cole is going to be the one to respond, because
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  Speaker 2: Cole is like a fucking gladiator, like he gets this shit.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, but damn, Dreamville Fest is next week,
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  Speaker 2: and school Boy Q's on it and Sis, I'm like
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  Speaker 2: everyone's friends, Like, like, I don't know if there's a
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  Speaker 2: more tighter crew than like the dream Build TV crew
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  Speaker 2: over the years, and like those two guys specifically have
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  Speaker 2: always moved with like in a certain way that's never
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  Speaker 2: been goofy. So I was like, I just hope whatever happens,
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  Speaker 2: like they just come out on the other side of it,
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  Speaker 2: like and everything's all good. So I'm glad to see
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  Speaker 2: that that at the very least is probably going to
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  Speaker 2: be the case. So but uh, for you, man, like,
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  Speaker 2: what's it like? Because you obviously I remember you back
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  Speaker 2: in the day popping up on like two Dope Boys,
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  Speaker 2: and you were like pretty active in that. I would say,
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  Speaker 2: with the latter end of the blog era, is that
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  Speaker 2: fair to say? Y?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I was like watching it when I was
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  Speaker 1: in school. I was like watching the blog era, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. It was like happening, you know,
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  Speaker 1: around that time Cold put out, like the warm up
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  Speaker 1: all this stuff. Like I was in school still, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. But it was cool though, because yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like right, like you said, like right at the end
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  Speaker 1: of it, like I started sending emails out trying to
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  Speaker 1: like getting on Two Dope Boys and shout out to.
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  Speaker 2: Shake Shake, and I just saw me at WrestleMania.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They put some of my
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  Speaker 1: first like little projects online.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I did this EP with Crisis producer from North Carolina. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we did this EP of The King's Crisis and that
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  Speaker 1: joint was like it was like my first time on
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  Speaker 1: the blog. So I was like, oh, this is hard.
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  Speaker 1: You know, people wrote about it, talked about it.
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  Speaker 2: And people understand like the blog shit was like they're
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  Speaker 2: like real A and rs real. Yeah, motherfuckers, like they
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  Speaker 2: had to fuck with your shit and if they posted
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  Speaker 2: your ship it could like really change your life.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, it was funny. I mean it's it's so
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  Speaker 1: similar to like there's blogs now that exist. They just
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  Speaker 1: have a different form, different name, you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 1: A lot of it is just people find find a
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  Speaker 1: way to get they taste to be a popular thing,
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  Speaker 1: you know, find a way to do that. You could
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  Speaker 1: sell pretty much anything. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So obviously because I know you had like had that
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  Speaker 2: run like making music and then you started to kind
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  Speaker 2: of become more behind the scenes shooting videos. What was
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  Speaker 2: the first kind of big video that you were able
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  Speaker 2: to direct?
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  Speaker 1: And I mean the first video director that all was
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  Speaker 1: the Middle Child video for j Cole Okay, so that.
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  Speaker 2: Was like more Ray I was like about four years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Five years ago was that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, this was my first video project ever at all,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like that I was like, oh, I'm in
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  Speaker 1: charge of like the visuals.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, what was like, because if that's your first one
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  Speaker 2: for Cold to trust you to do his video, you
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  Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, what was it about what
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  Speaker 2: you were doing that made him comfortable you think to
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  Speaker 2: let you take the reins.
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  Speaker 1: Man you know what's funny man him like some other
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  Speaker 1: people around me, but obviously with him it was like
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  Speaker 1: a real big deal. Has seen in me a lot,
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  Speaker 1: maybe even more than I even knew about myself creatively,
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  Speaker 1: because I have ideas. I'm really good at describing the
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  Speaker 1: idea that people are like a visual or the way
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  Speaker 1: I see something, you know, like it's a storytelling talent
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  Speaker 1: that probably came from music that started in writing songs.
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  Speaker 1: But then the attention of detail with me just is
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  Speaker 1: just so high and a lot of things like it
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  Speaker 1: just made it easier for me to articulate what I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to see. And I think that's probably how that's
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just came to him with ideas.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, yo, I want to shoot a video
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  Speaker 1: idea for myself like this, or one day him I
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  Speaker 1: told him about a movie idea I had. He was like, bro,
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  Speaker 1: this is like a real like a good ass movie
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  Speaker 1: idea or whatever, and eventually, you know, it turned into
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  Speaker 1: I was at Dreamville camp, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 1: revengeal the Dreamers camp. Yeah, yeah, you know we put
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  Speaker 1: the I did like I end up on like three
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  Speaker 1: songs on there and then it so you're Grammy nominated,
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  Speaker 1: Grammy nominated. Yes, yes, sir, you had a little bell out,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Grammy dominated. Yeah, And so
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  Speaker 1: him and T minus was like in the back and
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  Speaker 1: it was working on Middle Child. I remember they was
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  Speaker 1: going back and forth over the bpm like one bpm,
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  Speaker 1: like arguing. They were not even arguing, just like debating
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  Speaker 1: about the one bpm. And I remember sitting in the back.
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  Speaker 1: He asked me what I thought. I was like, this
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  Speaker 1: is hard and then called me like a week later, like, Yo,
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  Speaker 1: what you think about writing the video idea? I was like,
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  Speaker 1: you gotta let me direct it though if I write it,
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, all right, next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: half a million dollar video? Yeah? Crazy, Yeah, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Yo. Were you in the camp when like the Milwaukee
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  Speaker 2: Bucks pulled up or Chris Bosh was there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I met Janni's for the first for
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  Speaker 1: the only time really, like he was right behind me
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  Speaker 1: getting macaroni and cheese in the line. Bro Yo, Revenge
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  Speaker 1: camp was like crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Well I heard Chris Bosh was playing beats and like
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  Speaker 2: the bucks were just hanging and yeah, yeah, yeah that
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  Speaker 2: had to be fucking wild, like you're just like working
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  Speaker 2: on music. Then all of a sudden, Giannis.
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  Speaker 1: Is it was crazy. Chris Bosh was tall as hell,
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  Speaker 1: just walked in with the laptop unfolded. That bitch, like,
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  Speaker 1: what's I got some heat? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's gotta be nice to be
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  Speaker 2: Chris Bosh because like, no matter what, people gonna let
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  Speaker 2: you play beats, you got to tell Chris Bosh No.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, man, I think I don't
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  Speaker 1: know people. How was his beat? I wasn't really like
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  Speaker 1: in the room. Why he laughed, that's crazy, yo, My
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  Speaker 1: man just started laughing. No, I wasn't in the room
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  Speaker 1: really when who he was playing his beat?
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  Speaker 2: Nah? What was your most like, uh, the most fun
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  Speaker 2: memory about those sessions because we always hear so many
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  Speaker 2: different versions of like how crazy they were, because I
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  Speaker 2: think it was like a legendary that you people are
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  Speaker 2: getting like these invites.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you'd have to fly out, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: it was crazy, man, it was funny. It was like
• 10:49
  Speaker 1: at one point, at some point, I think maybe it
• 10:51
  Speaker 1: was Felting or Adam, one of them made the yellow
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: ticket concept, you know what I mean, because it was
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  Speaker 1: just inviting people at first, and then they started sending
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  Speaker 1: out a yellow ticket and then people start posting on
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  Speaker 1: their social media, so it was like some Willy Wonka
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: shit already, like Nigga's like, oh yo, I got this
• 11:04
  Speaker 1: yellow tick. You see a rapper, you know, a producer
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  Speaker 1: you know, or somebody get the thing. And it just
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  Speaker 1: started already just creating like a sneaky little like legend
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  Speaker 1: about it, you know, around LA or wherever you was at.
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  Speaker 1: And the next thing, you know, people just started just
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  Speaker 1: flying out there. And you know, I remember getting invited.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, yo, I'm gonna go out there like
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  Speaker 1: NAS songs, you know, and it was just fun, a
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  Speaker 1: little competitive. It was like it was good, Like the
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  Speaker 1: nature of the whole thing was good.
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  Speaker 2: Yo. Being from North Carolina, like obviously I grew up
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  Speaker 2: being like a really really really huge little brother had
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  Speaker 2: Like I got to see them live. I think I
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  Speaker 2: went I saw them live the Minstrel Show tour. I
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: think it was them and dilated people's And then I've
• 11:49
  Speaker 2: seen Fonte when he was doing.
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  Speaker 1: His shout out to Little brother Man.
• 11:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Little Brothers just like up there. Do you feel
• 11:55
  Speaker 2: like and they just put out a dope documentary on YouTube?
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like and Holland Yeah? Do you feel
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  Speaker 2: like they get like their respect? Like somehow I feel
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  Speaker 2: like they've kind of like became like not forgotten. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, man, these motherfuckers really like like Fonte is
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  Speaker 2: like really like one of the greatest, Like you know
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, you're talking about them right now. You
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  Speaker 1: just brought them up in an interview, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. Like I'm saying, like when you're growing up
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  Speaker 1: like being a kid. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think that.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously it wasn't the first thing I found or that
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  Speaker 1: I had heard, But that's what I like about good
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  Speaker 1: art bro, and really good artists and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: It's like like, yeah, bro, Like even if you know
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  Speaker 1: you're not talking about them on like a scale that's
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  Speaker 1: like I don't know, like uh, stadiums or selling out
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  Speaker 1: like Arenaturs or something like that, you still bring them
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  Speaker 1: up for some reason, right, And it's because you know,
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  Speaker 1: and I know that like deep down inside, just like
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  Speaker 1: some of the highest quality like shit, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean. It's these artists, you know. That's the cool
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: thing about about art. And what I also realized about
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  Speaker 1: art is because it's something that don't really exist in
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: like space and time, like you know, Boski I got
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: lit after he died, like which obviously rested recipes. I
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: don't want that for nobody, but I just think, like
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  Speaker 1: you just never know when something might, you know, imagine
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  Speaker 1: your life is crazy, like good art.
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  Speaker 2: Will find you fe linerations later years.
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  Speaker 1: Later, stranger things like sample day, what's that? What's the
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: lady song? From the seventies?
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  Speaker 2: Something bush right? They put it and then it ended
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  Speaker 2: up going to top forty radio like thirty.
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  Speaker 1: Years to one hundred. Yeah, with the Master of the Puppets.
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  Speaker 2: The Metallica song like they used it on that scene
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  Speaker 2: and that ship just became like a top ten on
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  Speaker 2: Spotify all of a sudden.
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  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's crazy, like the whole you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's interesting to find a way to like to do that,
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  Speaker 1: like make something that that's standing test of time. In
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: that way.
• 13:41
  Speaker 2: On this EP, you got the homie Isaiah shot is
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: shad uh shout out to Leon Bridges. You got Saint
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: John on there.
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: For you, like, uh, how long have you been working
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: on the actual album that's coming and how did you
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: pick between like these are for the EPH, this is
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: the this is the same or platter? Yeah, before the entre?
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. I mean the EP songs were songs
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: that I had that I knew I wanted to see
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: the light of day. A couple of them are like newer,
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: but for the most part its songs that I knew.
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: It was like I was like, yeah, I just want
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: to get a palette together or palate cleanser together for people,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: so you know when it's time for me to start
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: putting my album music out there really like you know
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: what's up? Or like you know, it's like a like
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: a great wrong way to the album project honestly, if
• 14:23
  Speaker 1: I'm being real, right, Yea, the album got like some
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: crazy everything features music everything.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Boss little Boss hook, Yo, Hey, it's been cooking on
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: these nice bro.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: He's nice bro.
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I told him, I was like, sohow you
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: made this tra from like wrapping your ass off to
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: like making these crazy melodic fucking hooks.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: And people going to sing along. Anyway, it's that part,
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Sure, shout out to Boss.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like kind of being like extended Dreamville?
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Like?
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, did they ever try to like actually like submit
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: an offer to you to bring you on like officially
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: as an artist? I know you're a massive peal, but
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: like did that ever?
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, bro is like a story a
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: lot of people don't know. It's like the way I
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: met him only played my music for Cole. Shout out
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: to owmen play my music for Cold like a long
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: time ago, and then first guy on dream Bill. Right ever,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Omen was the first guy. Right, maybe he was the
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: first guy. Maybe makes sense, you know, I know they
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: go way back. But Amen played my music for Coal
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: and then Cole like heard it and texted me. This
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: was like right after this first album had came out,
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: you know, and like I'm supposed to be in college, like,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: you know, me and my little brother you got an
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: apartment in Raleigh together, Like my mom had just passed
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: not too long before that, and so we were just
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: kind of like figuring a bunch of shit out and
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: I just got this text out of nowhere, like, Yo,
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: there's j Cole, like y'all want to meet you end
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: up flying to Raleigh, like to North Carolina to meet me,
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: came to a studio and everything. Yeah, and so that's
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: like how we met each other, you know what I mean.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: It's still like pictures and videos from that time. He
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: produced a song that was on like one of my
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: early mixstapes. Gave me a beat.
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: God, we need more cold beats man, that high power power.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: I was about to say, I was about to bring
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: up high Power yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so we
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: need more more came more Krit beats for the record.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, you know, so we're forgetting Those two
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: guys are amazing producers, big Krit Krit Oh yeah yeah yeah, yeah,
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: for sure, both of them. Yeah yeah. But so that's
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: how we ended up meeting. And yeah, it was conversations
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: around that time for sure. You know. It was really
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: cool about him, man, one of the best things like
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: he was at that at that time, Dreamsville was so early,
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: Like it was a conversation and he was like, Yo,
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: He's like, you don't think I would do right by you.
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, nothing's prepared. It's not really put together
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: right yeah, right after Yeah, you know, so I would
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: have actually probably been the first one on the label,
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: but he just was like, ya, I don't want to
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: like make a mistake. Let's just be cool, let's stay close,
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Then I moved to La
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: start working with Doctor Dre. Like, you know, I wrote
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the Content album.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I wanted to get to the
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: Compton album because that album doesn't get enough flowers. We'll
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: get there, but well tell me about that, because Compton
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: is an album that came and I feel like we
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: don't go back to it enough. Man, it is a
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: damn I mean, it's the only body of work we've
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: gotten from Dre since two thousand and one, and I
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: thought it was pretty fucking impeccable.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: That's beautiful, bro, I mean, I mean, you're you're on it.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: You're One of the first things people don't don't talk
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: about is the fact that it never was a lot.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: It never was on Spotify until last year, Like yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And there's a lot of.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Shit like that that I've been noticing been popping up
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: that I'm like, man.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine and you. I think at that time it's
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: because you know, they had done a deal with Apple
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: or something like that. So at that time it's different
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: because Spotify was way bigger than our music just was
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: just starting, right, you know what I mean, and they
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: was like, yo, let's just you know, they just put
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: on app.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: There were some albums that were doing that exclusive.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: It stayed exclusive for like for like years, for like
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: eight years or some ship. Yeah. Yeah, So I think
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: that's kind of like an interesting like part of that story,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: you know. But shout out to Dre. Shout out to.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because it almost might have affected like the amount
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: of people who consumed it, you know, who.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: Could even get who could listen to it exactly.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: People are still so how did you end up coming
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: to LA and getting with Dre and kind of give
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: me that backstory?
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: Man? Shout out rapper Big Pool from a little brother,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: big Pool shut out. Big Pool introduced me to producing
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: their Focus Okay, yeah on text okay, Focus and Tie probably,
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: and then I ended up going to the studio. I
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: did kind of like a like a damn there, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: a tryout. Really, it was me and a bunch of
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: other writers in there and people that you know, I
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: didn't know, they didn't know me. They was kind of
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: off on their own, doing their own thing, and you know,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: it was it wasn't the easiest to get in and help.
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I'm gonna just go in this
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: little io booth. I just went a little io booth
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: and just started writing and coming up with stuff. And yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: we just submitted songs, and next thing, you know, four
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: or five days later, Dre end up showing up for real.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Because they kept saying he was coming every day. I
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: was like, he's not coming to the studio, and then
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: he came one day, and the day he finally pulled up,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: he listened to some songs. He said he liked one
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: of the ones I had done, which was tight, and
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: then uh and then yeah, man, I actually went back
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: to North cal Lining because it was just like a
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: little camp they had done, but nothing was happening yet, right,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: and and I was like, nah, man, you should go back,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Like you know, Dre likes a lot of stuff. You
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: never know what's gonna happen for real, and I needed
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: to go back to the crib. So I went back,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: and I knew I was gonna move up to La Yeah,
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: I was like yo. I was like, I gotta get
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: back to LA. I gotta figure out a way to
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: do that. And so I moved back to l A.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: I was living here for one day. Second day I
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: was living here, they called me Saidre, I want you
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: to come back to LA to write songs. I was like,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: I'm here. I was hoping he was gonna do.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: That, right, That's why I came.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: That's why I came back anyway. Yeah. Yeah, and then
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we wrote like damn, they probably like one hundred songs together.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: It's like a lot of songs, one hundred probably, bro. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I mean if anybody that's like that's ever was a
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: part of them sessions and knows like what's up or
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: seeing us working like so they think I'm exaggerating, they
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: would let me know. But yeah, I probably like that.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: You guys were in the bag together for sure. What
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: was that like, because we always hear about Dre's like, uh,
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: how like his you know, attention to detail is almost
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: like ridiculous.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've done to take for sure, like thirty forty
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: fifty times maybe maybe more. Yeah.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Like so as I'm curious, like on the writing side,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: like is it like so it'll obviously on the production side,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: we know he's very meticulous, but even on just like
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the way the inflection of your lyrics, like yeah, until
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you hit it, the way he hears it in his head.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're definitely gonna be like, you know, doing
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: that and going back and forth. It's funny because, like
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: you know, Dres, he's like a funny guy. He got
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: like a funny personality. Like I feel like he'll fuck
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: with you a little bit, you know what I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Like he got you doing some shit a whole lot.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: But honestly, it really is to like bring the best
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: out of you or like to get what he's looking
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: for and to take you know what I'm saying that
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: he does too. He definitely finds what he's looking for
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: on the take. And a lot of times you get
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: on there and be like, damn, I sounded this way
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: when I when I did it, and then he coached
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: me into this thing. I never would have thought I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: could sound like that happens a lot, you.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: Know, that's dope. I was gonna say, did you ever
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: the myth of the Detox album that's probably never gonna
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: come out? Wherever any songs were he was like Yo, Detox.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: What's this head things?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Well, like, you know, I don't know, man, because I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: feel like by the time you were working on that,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I think the Detok ship was probably over with in
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: terms of the idea of like the public ever getting it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe maybe you you know, was there
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: any talk of that every even Yeah, I.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Had heard rumblings yeah, you know what I mean of like,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: you know, songs or like yeah features or like concepts.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah one day, man, one day.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: You never know, man, you never know. Fuck, Ryn, you
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: be on there, you know, just the super unexpected buleg
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: cut cad verse.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: That's not gonna have going crazy on an intro. What
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: other writing opportunities did that situation put you in? Outside
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: after after the Confident album came out, because you're obviously
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: on that album too.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I got a few features on there,
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: and so I remember right after it came out. I
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: remember being at my Auntory's crib and uh, I was
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: in the kitchen yo signing the CDs for family members
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: because like some of them like was like, we want
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: you to sign it, and I was like, oh, that's cool,
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: you know, not some ship that I really would ask
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to do for you know that I was planning on doing.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: But it's like it was cool that they felt enough
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: and like my uncle gave it to somebody at the
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: barbershop that wanted it or whatever, so that was cool.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And then I remember being at the kitchen table. I
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: was like signing these CDs and like Chay Pope called me.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Cha.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Chay Pope called me and was like, yo, I
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: want you to come right for Kanye. He heard he
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: heard about y'all told him about you, some of the
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: stuff you did. He's like, yo, keep come tonight. I
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: was in Baltimore. I was in Maryland.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Good compound. I'm sure in La it was a shaney
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: La Okay, okay, shaney La and uh.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And I was like damn, Like I was hurt because
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: I was in Maryland, like and I wasn't close and
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: he's like, yo, come tonight, and I was like, yo,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: I can't make it. Da da da da. I start
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: thinking how I was gonna get on the plane like
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: right then and there, How possible could this be? Looking
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: at it like they was working on Pablo. Yeah you
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: know what I mean. And so he was like, nah, bro,
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: just come the next day and I was like all right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: and then I just left packed up. When the next
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: day ended up, me and Kanye, I walked in wrong
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: like he was like, yo, something is like you know
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: cha told them was coming. Yeah, And I worked with
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: him for a couple of weeks on PABO. That was
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: real fun experience.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Were the songs that made the album that you helped.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: You know what's funny, dog, there's actually only one thing
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: that's out moving around. Is this this leak that's going
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: crazy that I'll be getting a bunch of text from
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: like like uh like hackers or whatever. I was working
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: on the Highlights song. Oh really yeah, and at that time,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: like other there was some other features on it. I
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: don't even want to bring light to it because Charlie
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Wilson's on that right uh probably yeah yeah but anyway, yeah,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: a bunch of people text me about that.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: But there's a there's a leak of it running around
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: right now.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta hear that.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you that's gotta be kind of cool though,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: just that it it's seen the light of day.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, the experience, bro, even going
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to work with you, like she was mad inspiring, or
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: just him being like I see it in you like
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: the thing, you know what I mean, like to I
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: mean to come here and be a part of the contribute,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: you know. I thought that was ill.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: What were the contrasts you noticed between because you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: being in with Dre and Ye the two arguably greatest
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: producers ever, I mean, most prolific creatives. You know, you
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: can go on and on, but like, what were the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: contrasts between those two processes that you noticed?
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So Dre is like very like like
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: a scientific type of guy, like you know what I mean,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: Like you know, he knows the board really well, like
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the sounds of frequencies, you know what I mean. Like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: whereas yeah, I felt like it was just more like
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: a like a kid, you know what I mean. There
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: was like a microphone that just sat on a chair
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: and the beat was just playing if you just felt
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: like it, you could just walk over there and just
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: like something, if you just felt like it and it
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: was just sitting there, like that's very different type of Yeah.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: I was there when he cut his Carnival Verse. Okay,
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: there I went with Tie in Vegas and he just
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: had I mean, now, the later part of that night
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: was all over Instagram live, but he just had like
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the uh sweet at the Four Seasons in Vegas and
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: like you know, India Love just showed up to hang
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: out and she ended up being on Now she's on
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the album.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: That's how it be.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Bro. It was just so random. This was like a
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: room full of people are partying, the eating, yeah, and
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: this fools just starts cutting his fucking Carnival verse, Like Carnival.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: That's the best sometimes to be in that vibe and
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in that place.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I knew that was gonna happen.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Bro, I'm sorry, my boy, you got your uh it's.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: Supposed to be okay, fucking thing and it's all good, no,
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: but uh but yeah, it was just it was just
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: crazy because then like you hear the album and you're like, yeah,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: this sucking out. I loved I loved Vultures. But yeah,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it's funny because it's like it's almost like the opposite
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: of what you hear.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Dre would do you know what I mean, Like yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: it's just yeah, it's like no, no, no, that's not true, Dre.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: You record in the room all the time with him
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: in the room, Like.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: But I'm saying, like people people hanging out you still.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, hell yeah, it be people in the studio, in
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: the room with you. They just got to be quiet
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: for a second. Yeah you know, but yeah, catch the vibe.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: It's nice to catch the varb that way for sure.
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: For you?
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Are you like back, like fully in like rapper mode
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: right now?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: What does it mean to be in rapper mode? What
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: does that mean? Well?
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, look, I feel like you you have
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: so many hats that you wear as a creative. It's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: like mes rapper album EP ship like number number one
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: priority for you right now?
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: What would that mean? If I say yes, what would
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: it mean?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean that that you're just super
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: focused on finishing your album and.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah for sure. But I
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: mean I'm an artist, I feel like in a lot
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: of different ways. No, for sure, That's what I'm saying,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: asking Donald Glover like or someone.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure at certain points in times, Donald Glover's
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: focus might be writing a show and another time it
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: might be making it out.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: But do that mean he is somebody else while he's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: doing that? Because sometimes people might think, like, damn, are
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: you a rapper while you while you're doing this.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: No, No, but I think like I think that, like,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: if you're an artist, right, and you have so many
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: hats in that spectrum that you can wear, maybe while
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you're working on painting number one, that's your focus, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like you might you know, you might be working on
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: like six other ideas at the same time.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But I got a lot of ideas, yo, And honestly,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it's really more about the fact that I think, I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: just I don't never want nobody think I've become someone
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: else because I was doing this. I never became a
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: director because I started directing. I still was always an
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: artist or like or vice versa. You know what I mean.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I'm not just because I'm focused on music right now.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I put on my EP, my album, like, you know,
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: like it don't mean that I'm a different thing, you
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: know for sure. Yeah, I just think that's a real
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: that's a real conversation because people you can see where
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I'm coming from.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: No, definitely, obviously, do you feel like because I feel
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: like there's so many different ways to like express yourself, right,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: do I mean You're lucky enough to probably have so
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: many different like canvases to kind of scratch whatever creative
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: it you have at the time. Give me kind of
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: an idea.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Of like.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: What it is about directing and the visual process that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: you enjoy that it's a little bit harder to get.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: From maybe making music directed in the visual process.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just like no, the visual process, like like being it.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, because I always feel like, you know, being
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: able to be in charge of like a visual something
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: that's going to live online. You know, it's like a
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: and a live piece of art, Like what is it?
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: What is the difference between what you get out of
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: that compared to what you get out of working on
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a song.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: It's no difference, bro. You know It's funny. I have
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a moment where I'm like, Yo, this scene is intended
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: to make people feel this way, you know what I mean.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: I want you to feel like like ooh like and
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: you might have a bar that's the same thing, same
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: same feeling, bro. You know, And if I if I
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: successfully made you feel how I want you to feel,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: you know, in either space, then I went that's what
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: That's what That's what I'm looking for. Yeah, yeah, you know,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: so you just got a lot.
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: More on your in your repertoire to make people feel
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and that's what are't supposed to do is make you feeling.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think so, Bro, I think so. That's my favorite
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: thing is to be I'm intense. I could be intense
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: about it. That's crazy. I could be intentional about it
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: and then just you know, and say, this is what
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: I'm looking for people to feel in this thing that
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: I'm doing in this line. Sometimes I might write a
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: line that shit might make sense in a short film
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: or a song, or both might make sense in both.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Why not? You know? Yeah?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Is there are you like any of the videos that
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: you've directed lately that they're still coming out soon or
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: do you have like anything in the in the chamber?
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, bro, yeah, yeah, I definitely have stuff of mind
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: that's coming. I actually also am a part owner in
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: a film production company as well, and so there's like
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: there's always like projects stuff coming in made by Airs. Yeah. Yeah,
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: shout out to maybe Airs all the talented creative people
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: connected to it. Yeah, that's that's interesting and helpful. It's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: like when I went to Focus and I did film
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: for a second, that's the way that it could kind
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of continue on while I'm being an artist. It's just
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: there's like a team or just a group of people
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean, we'll look.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: The EP Loading comes out Friday, yeah, sir, the nineteenth,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and the album is coming soon.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Album's coming very very soon, very very soon. Yeah. Yeah,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: do you have a name yet? Still loading?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Still loading out? Look at that?
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah sir, there it is. Man.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I appreciate you pulling up. Go support the EP, Go
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: support the guy. Of course, all the stuff you got
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: going on. Man, I'm sure people they're gonna be merching
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: all that shit they could.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, we were just talking about vinyls. Actually, I
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: think I'm about to do some vinyls and sign all
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: of them, and you know, not to be big. It's
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: gonna be fun. Bro.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: The vinyls are fire plusure. How did you end up
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: with mass Appeal Because for people who don't know, Mass
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Appeal is like an amazing just label slash creative company.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: They do so many different things.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, funny enough. I got to start it
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: with my boy Elliott shout out Elliott. Man. He was
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: this kid, Bro just hit me online like y'all fuck
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: with you, I'll fuck with you. He just he just
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: knew like the history of me, bro, like all my music,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: like everything. You know, He's my It's so funny, like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know how it happened. But Thenbous starting meeting the team,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: everybody was cool, really understood that. Like, yo, I know,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I have like a vision for what I want to do,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: and I think everybody could see it, you know what
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: So it's cool, it's not how involved is nas in?
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Like certain shit because nas is obviously part of master Peal.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean, you know, like I think that
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of it got to be his vision, you
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, most pretty much most of him
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and Peter shout of the Peter you know, yeah, yeah,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: for sure, And I think, yeah, he's cool man. I've
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: always heard good things, especially like if we see some
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: of mine and herd some of mine. It's always been positive. Yeah,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and obviously Bro, like I'm a fan Bros a legend.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Crazy enough, his Aumatic album came out on my birthday,
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: so oh shit, yeah my birthday is on Friday, which
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: will be his his anniversary for his album.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah damn, I remember buying the twentieth anniversary DVD that
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: was a decade ago. Fuck.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's crazy. Yeah, it's about to be thirty. Yeah,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, it's crazy because I didn't start listening to
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: that till like Soldier Boy was like out like when I.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Was, because that's like ninety four. Damn Jesus, time flies man.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Shout to Nods, Shout to you man. The project comes
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: out Friday, go support it. You've got a couple of
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: singles out right now. Then go listen to maz Thank
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: you Bro, thank you Yes, Sir Fire