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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 10 · Green and Gold Brothers

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SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, The Play.
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SPEAKER_00: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Zach.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm Cody.
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SPEAKER_00: So we are going to recap the uh Thursday night football game.
0:26
SPEAKER_00: Packers and Falcons.
0:28
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, we're going to recap it.
0:30
SPEAKER_00: Do we have to?
0:31
SPEAKER_00: A little bit, I think.
0:33
SPEAKER_00: It was a rough one.
0:34
SPEAKER_00: 35 to 14.
0:37
SPEAKER_00: Pack kind of took one on the chin there on Thursday.
0:40
SPEAKER_00: I'll be honest, I didn't see that one coming.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: No, I was very confident.
0:45
SPEAKER_01: We talked about it last episode.
0:47
SPEAKER_01: Felt really good about this one.
0:48
SPEAKER_01: Thought it was a get-right game.
0:51
SPEAKER_01: Thought the Jets was a get-right game, and they won that one.
0:54
SPEAKER_01: Figured Atlanta was going to be an easier, easier one than the Jets.
0:59
SPEAKER_01: They were 0-2.
1:01
SPEAKER_01: Atlanta had not been in the red zone up until all season.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, up until they played us.
1:07
SPEAKER_01: I I'll leave my words on that one.
1:10
SPEAKER_01: Felt really good about it.
1:11
SPEAKER_01: By the end, I was I was not really happy about it.
1:14
SPEAKER_00: So no, not so much.
1:16
SPEAKER_00: My prediction was a little bit off too.
1:19
SPEAKER_00: We did they did clean up the penalties.
1:22
SPEAKER_00: I said that if we had less than 10, I think is what I said.
1:25
SPEAKER_00: If we had less than 10, we were going to win by 10 or more.
1:28
SPEAKER_00: We only had six, which is a very good step in the right direction.
1:33
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, they did not win by more than 10, though.
1:37
SPEAKER_00: So getting better, uh going the right direction.
1:40
SPEAKER_00: Still definitely need to continue to improve on that.
1:44
SPEAKER_00: Can't have the costly ones.
1:46
SPEAKER_00: They were still costly.
1:47
SPEAKER_00: The the roughing the passer, which you can say it was bogus or disagree with it.
1:52
SPEAKER_00: I I kind of disagree with that one on Brenton Cox in the first quarter, I think it was.
2:12
SPEAKER_00: I think they had the lead at that point.
2:13
SPEAKER_00: It was 7-0, I believe.
2:15
SPEAKER_00: So you get the ball back there, back up 7-0, or still up 7-0.
2:19
SPEAKER_00: Who knows what could have happened?
2:20
SPEAKER_00: That game totally could have been completely different.
2:23
SPEAKER_00: Obviously, that's not the reason they lost.
2:25
SPEAKER_00: There was way more bad than good in this one.
2:27
SPEAKER_00: So it wasn't just one extended drive penalty, but that did definitely impact the way that that game unfolded.
2:36
SPEAKER_01: The offensive line, in my opinion, I think it was worse than Minnesota.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: It was pretty comparable.
2:46
SPEAKER_01: There were multiple times where just a free rusher to Jordan.
2:50
SPEAKER_01: They did turn up the pressure.
2:51
SPEAKER_01: I think uh Brian Flores gave the whole league a blueprint after weekly.
2:56
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
2:57
SPEAKER_01: We knew it as fans.
2:58
SPEAKER_01: Uh the whole league knows it now.
3:00
SPEAKER_01: You see online everywhere, people poking fun at our offensive line, and how um we we can't stop a nosebleed.
3:07
SPEAKER_01: I think teams are gonna keep doing it until they figure things out.
3:11
SPEAKER_01: But in my opinion, this game against Atlanta, the offensive line was abysmal multiple times.
3:19
SPEAKER_01: There was one time we had four guys, four offensive linemen blocking, two Falcons defensive linemen.
3:24
SPEAKER_01: And two guys running free.
3:26
SPEAKER_01: And yeah, Jordan Love was just getting banged up all game.
3:30
SPEAKER_01: Only had, I think, two, two and a half seconds at most to throw.
3:34
SPEAKER_01: Not even two and a half, I think it's it was less than that.
3:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh not really much to say about it.
3:41
SPEAKER_01: Matthew Golden looked good.
3:43
SPEAKER_01: I thought he had some really nice catches.
3:46
SPEAKER_01: Uh, Christian Watson is he might get a touchdown a game.
3:49
SPEAKER_01: Right now he's on pace.
3:51
SPEAKER_00: So uh hopefully we do uh have some potentially good news on the offensive line.
3:57
SPEAKER_00: We will uh we'll come back to that a little later once we finish our our recap first.
4:02
SPEAKER_00: We might have some help coming.
4:04
SPEAKER_00: Stay tuned.
4:05
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: I thought the defense um was was a big disappointment on on Thursday.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: I know Atlanta got Michael Penix back.
4:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's a first round pick, but he hasn't really shown me a whole lot in his short career yet.
4:21
SPEAKER_00: Uh at least me.
4:22
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm with you.
4:24
SPEAKER_00: I I think he he has some potential.
4:28
SPEAKER_00: I liked him coming out of college.
4:29
SPEAKER_00: I thought he was gonna be one of the better ones, and I'd appreciated Atlanta.
4:34
SPEAKER_00: They they tried to stick to their guns.
4:37
SPEAKER_00: They said that they were gonna try and follow the Green Bay model by drafting him and then sitting him.
4:42
SPEAKER_00: Because they had Kirk Cousins, they said there was no intention to start him, uh, but then I believe Kirk Cousins got hurt, so then he had to play, and then he played well enough that it just was his job.
4:54
SPEAKER_00: So that was as a rookie, uh, and then I think it's year three now, correct?
4:59
SPEAKER_00: Sounds right.
5:01
SPEAKER_00: So uh he did play as a rookie, and then last year was kind of up and down.
5:04
SPEAKER_00: He got hurt then too.
5:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh so really hard to get a real gauge on on his talent, but or at least his numbers.
5:13
SPEAKER_00: I think the talent is there.
5:15
SPEAKER_00: I did like him coming out of Washington, but was kind of a rough one.
5:20
SPEAKER_00: Um he's he's got talent, but I didn't expect him to look like prime uh Steve Young from the left side there.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: We were talking about it, we were texting each other during the game.
5:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't think Atlanta minus Bichon Robinson.
5:33
SPEAKER_01: They were giving Bichon the ball, and Bijan was just doing Bichon things.
5:37
SPEAKER_01: We had mentioned that in our last episode.
5:38
SPEAKER_01: The only player on Atlanta that really spooked both of us was Bichon, and you saw why.
5:44
SPEAKER_01: But we were texting during the game.
5:46
SPEAKER_01: Atlanta wasn't really doing anything crazy with the ball in the past game early on.
5:51
SPEAKER_01: It was a lot of wide receiver screens, a lot of dink and dunk, um, just underneath slant routes, and we just did a really poor job of tackling.
6:00
SPEAKER_00: So far, the worst of the season.
6:02
SPEAKER_00: I know it's only been three weeks, but week one and two, even though they lost to Minnesota, I thought the defense looked good.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
6:08
SPEAKER_00: I get against New York, I think the defense looked really good.
6:12
SPEAKER_00: They literally kept us in that game.
6:15
SPEAKER_00: Uh, and then to have a performance like that was tough.
6:20
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it's going to be the norm.
6:23
SPEAKER_00: I think the the average or the the middle ground is probably gonna be just that, somewhere in the middle.
6:29
SPEAKER_00: I don't think they're gonna be, you know, necessarily a top three defense in the league, but I don't think they're gonna look as bad as they did on Thursday.
6:36
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm with you.
6:37
SPEAKER_01: I think there is potential to be, you know, a top five.
6:41
SPEAKER_01: We do need to start turning up the the turnover uh differential.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: We got one.
6:47
SPEAKER_01: We did.
6:48
SPEAKER_01: McKinney got a pick.
6:49
SPEAKER_01: That's something I was gonna mention too.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: I felt pretty good the first drive of the game.
6:54
SPEAKER_01: You know, Penix, first time in this season, hasn't played since last season.
6:59
SPEAKER_01: Threw a pick to McKinney.
7:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, holy crap, like he read that ball perfectly.
7:04
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he baited him into it.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: You could tell.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
7:06
SPEAKER_01: Penix dropped back and his eyes were locked on his receiver, and McKinney just waited till that perfect time to uh to close in.
7:13
SPEAKER_01: And I mean it was an easy interception for him.
7:16
SPEAKER_01: But after that, Atlanta was just doing the right things, and Green Bay, we couldn't we couldn't tackle.
7:23
SPEAKER_01: We we got exposed multiple times.
7:25
SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of over pursuit, so I think that's correctable.
7:29
SPEAKER_00: Uh you just have to kind of you know slow down just a touch, which is is difficult because you know Jonathan Gannon has said from the beginning that he wants to be fast and flying around, and and they are, but there is some sort of downfall or or drawback to that that you have to still be under control.
7:49
SPEAKER_00: And I think they were so focused on trying to stop Bijan as quick as they could with as many guys as they could that they just they overpursued, and he's he's one of the best in the league, and he showed it, and he just had a special night.
8:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
8:05
SPEAKER_01: Um overall, we we mentioned earlier there's just not a lot of good uh I did like on our drive that we we scored the touchdown on in the first first quarter, kind of picked tempo up a little bit, and that's something I think that has worked for us.
8:23
SPEAKER_01: I know we did it towards the end of the game too, and it was garbage time, didn't really matter.
8:28
SPEAKER_01: But pick tempo up, kind of getting to the getting up to the line of scrimmage fast, more um decisive decisions by Jordan Love getting the ball out.
8:39
SPEAKER_01: It just seemed like our offensive line kinda were a little more in control towards the end, if that's what you even want to call it, because the whole game from the O-line was just disgusting.
8:49
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know if that's something they do going into the future.
8:53
SPEAKER_00: Maybe pick tempo up a little, not necessarily no huddle, but just I forget what the numbers are, but uh to that point I did see uh I think it was after it might have been after week one.
9:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it was it was based on last year and and maybe even Matt LaFleur in general, uh, since he's been in Green Bay, but they are they they do improve their numbers go up.
9:15
SPEAKER_00: I I think they're top five.
9:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh again, I forget what the actual like grading system was, if it was PFF or it was next gen or what what actual format was used, but uh when they go up tempo, I'm pretty sure that they were like fourth or fifth in the league in their efficiency.
9:32
SPEAKER_00: So hopefully uh maybe some uh up tempo a little bit more.
9:37
SPEAKER_00: Again, though, you gotta be able to hold up in protection.
9:41
SPEAKER_00: So it's tough to go quick when you go three and out because your quarterback's on his back the whole time.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: That is true.
9:49
SPEAKER_00: You know, look at Chip Kelly when he came to the NFL and he was the head coach of the Philadelphia Eagles, and that's what he wanted to do, bring the college game to the pros, and he wanted to be fast, fast, fast, and they it didn't work because I mean your defense is you know busting their butts for a drive, and maybe it's a six, eight, ten play drive, and then your offense comes out and goes three and out in ninety seconds.
10:15
SPEAKER_00: That's not a good formula.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: No, not at all.
10:18
SPEAKER_01: And what we have going on right now, it's been pretty obvious the first three weeks.
10:23
SPEAKER_01: We don't have a run game.
10:25
SPEAKER_01: There is no balance to this offense.
10:27
SPEAKER_01: It's strictly Jordan Love drop back pass.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: He's been getting killed back there, and I'm afraid that sooner or later he's gonna take a shot to the head.
10:36
SPEAKER_01: Now he's out for a week or two with a concussion, or a guy comes down on him and you break a rib, you twist an ankle, you you we're gonna talk about it.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: Here we're gonna talk about the Buccaneers game.
10:48
SPEAKER_01: Look at Baker, Baker Mayfield.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: I mean, a dislocated thumb.
10:51
SPEAKER_01: That happens.
10:52
SPEAKER_01: So I think overall, you need to be more balanced.
10:56
SPEAKER_01: That starts up front with the offensive linemen.
10:58
SPEAKER_01: They need to know their assignment.
11:01
SPEAKER_01: I don't know where the miscommunication's coming from.
11:04
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if it's the center position not getting in the right protection, or if the guards and the tackles just aren't I I don't know, man.
11:13
SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I'm confused and I I want to I want an answer and I know we don't I don't have a uh necessarily like legit answer for you, but my answer, and this is just you know my opinion and and coming from me here, I was just thinking about this today, and I had the realization we're young on the offensive line.
11:35
SPEAKER_00: Like extremely like our team finally has uh aged appropriately, you know.
11:42
SPEAKER_00: They're we're not the youngest team in the league anymore, but if you look at the offensive line, who we've been running out there, uh not only age but just games played.
11:52
SPEAKER_00: Experience.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
11:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Jordan Morgan played all over, uh probably out of position his first year, two years.
12:01
SPEAKER_00: And then we started a rookie on Thursday at left guard.
12:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh Sean Ryan has only been a center for what, six games, seven games now?
12:11
SPEAKER_00: This is his first year starting as center.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
12:13
SPEAKER_00: He did it at the end of the year last year, but he was a guard.
12:16
SPEAKER_01: And Jordan Morgan's first season starting at tackle.
12:20
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
12:20
SPEAKER_00: Jacob Monk, we thought was gonna get cut.
12:23
SPEAKER_00: Probably should have.
12:24
SPEAKER_00: He might actually, that could happen.
12:26
SPEAKER_00: But he started.
12:28
SPEAKER_00: He he's only played 60 snaps maybe before this year, and then Belton, you know, had to be thrust into duty because you know, Z Bach went down.
12:39
SPEAKER_00: So if you look at it, like all those guys are on their first.
12:43
SPEAKER_00: Well, I guess Sean Ryan was re-signed, but they're five years or less in the league, four years or less.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the guy with the most experience on that offensive line is a guy that we're paying a pretty hefty contract that isn't playing, Aaron Banks.
12:59
SPEAKER_01: So that his status is up in the air to be determined as far as is he gonna play, does he want to play?
13:06
SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
13:06
SPEAKER_00: So that hurts the continuity aspect that we've mentioned a couple times now, and then just the the overall youth.
13:14
SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't think that has been necessarily uh put out there or or realized by a lot of people, including us.
13:21
SPEAKER_00: I I didn't think about it, like I said, until about today.
13:24
SPEAKER_00: That holy cow, we're we're really young up there and inexperienced, and it's definitely showing.
13:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess might as well just hop into it.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: We're talking about the offensive line.
13:35
SPEAKER_01: Help might be on the way.
13:37
SPEAKER_00: Sure hope so.
13:38
SPEAKER_00: So today is Monday.
13:40
SPEAKER_00: We're recording on Monday.
13:42
SPEAKER_00: Not sure when exactly you guys are gonna get this episode, but today they brought in uh Mikai Becton, former offensive lineman for the Eagles.
13:54
SPEAKER_00: He was with the Chargers last year.
13:56
SPEAKER_00: I think he was a first-round pick by the Jets a couple uh probably four years, five years ago.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
14:01
SPEAKER_00: Number 11 overall, I think.
14:03
SPEAKER_00: And then they also signed uh Lakin Tomlinson, I believe that was yesterday.
14:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's a 12-year vet.
14:08
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:09
SPEAKER_00: I didn't realize he was in a league that long.
14:11
SPEAKER_00: I didn't either.
14:11
SPEAKER_01: I caught a little tidbit of his um not introductory press conference, but they were talking in the locker room and he had mentioned something about 12 years in the league.
14:20
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, holy crap.
14:22
SPEAKER_00: I feel like I remember when he got drafted.
14:24
SPEAKER_00: Makes me feel old.
14:25
SPEAKER_00: He was also a first-round pick, though.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
14:27
SPEAKER_00: So you got two guys, former first-round picks, veterans, both guards, both have played a lot of football, which again, realization today that I think has been part of the problem is just the inexperience.
14:40
SPEAKER_00: It's still it's still not the talent.
14:43
SPEAKER_00: I I don't think.
14:45
SPEAKER_00: Burton, I think, is gonna be a fine player.
14:48
SPEAKER_00: I think Burton is high upside.
14:50
SPEAKER_01: I'm excited for him.
14:52
SPEAKER_01: I just don't think he's ready.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: And I I agree with that.
14:54
SPEAKER_01: There's a reason they didn't put him out there against Minnesota, week one.
14:58
SPEAKER_01: There's a reason he came in when needed at the end of the game against the Jets, and I think they were kind of in a situation where they had to they had to mix something up, and I think the Donovan Jennings experience or experiment is I think that's done.
15:15
SPEAKER_01: It's done.
15:16
SPEAKER_01: So next guy up was Burton.
15:19
SPEAKER_01: He tried it.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: There were there was a little bit of good there.
15:22
SPEAKER_00: He was probably the worst offensive lineman.
15:25
SPEAKER_00: I think he graded as the worst lineman, though.
15:27
SPEAKER_01: He graded pretty pretty poorly, and just me watching the game and watching it back and seeing, you know, the the effort.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I think it's there.
15:37
SPEAKER_01: I I think he can play guard in this league.
15:40
SPEAKER_01: I I think he's a solid option at center if we need him.
15:43
SPEAKER_00: That's what I uh thought too.
15:45
SPEAKER_00: I was texting with my uncle today a little bit about that, and he made the point too, that he didn't think that he looked ready, and I absolutely agree.
15:53
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I responded to him saying kind of what we're talking about now that I think he's gonna be fine potentially at center.
16:01
SPEAKER_00: I think he might be a long-term center in the league, just his body size and type.
16:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh he played center in college, very smart, cerebral football player.
16:10
SPEAKER_00: I could definitely see center working out better for him.
16:14
SPEAKER_00: I think you know, we're not gonna make that change right now.
16:17
SPEAKER_00: But oh, I agree for sure.
16:19
SPEAKER_00: I think he trained at center in training camp.
16:22
SPEAKER_00: Um go ahead.
16:24
SPEAKER_00: No, I just I think Sean Ryan's our center no matter what, unless injury pops up.
16:29
SPEAKER_00: At least this year.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
16:30
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a pretty uh pretty simple contract to get out of.
16:34
SPEAKER_00: The Packers typically do that anyway.
16:36
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, definitely this year Sean Ryan's a center, and then we'll we'll see how it works out, and maybe maybe next year, but that's getting way ahead of ourselves.
16:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm excited about the the two signings.
16:49
SPEAKER_01: Everybody's been asking for it.
16:52
SPEAKER_01: I know he's not Kevin Zeitler.
16:54
SPEAKER_01: That's the big name that's been thrown out for the last couple weeks.
16:58
SPEAKER_01: But these guys have played some high-level football.
17:00
SPEAKER_01: They've been in the league for a while, both former first-round picks.
17:05
SPEAKER_01: Um Becton didn't realize this until it was reported today as well.
17:10
SPEAKER_01: He was dealing with uh what was the injury again?
17:12
SPEAKER_01: Torn labrum.
17:13
SPEAKER_01: Torn labrum.
17:14
SPEAKER_01: He played last season with the Chargers.
17:16
SPEAKER_01: He didn't even know it, actually.
17:18
SPEAKER_01: Torn Labrum most of the season.
17:20
SPEAKER_01: He just got cleared to uh, you know, begin football.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: Just recently.
17:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I he had surgery in March from what I read.
17:28
SPEAKER_01: Sounds like he just got medically cleared.
17:30
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if Green Bay is the first team he tried out for.
17:33
SPEAKER_01: If it was, good for them for having that info and making that call and getting him in for a workout and signing him to the practice squad as of now.
17:42
SPEAKER_00: That makes me feel a little bit better and that he uh you know he wasn't just sitting out there.
17:46
SPEAKER_00: We always always talk about you know these guys are free agents for a reason.
17:50
SPEAKER_00: Well, that I think was the reason.
17:52
SPEAKER_00: I don't think it was necessarily that nobody wanted him.
17:54
SPEAKER_00: I just he wasn't ready physically.
17:56
SPEAKER_00: Like I don't think he could have cleared or passed the physical.
17:59
SPEAKER_01: When he was with Philly, was that two years ago, right?
18:01
SPEAKER_00: When they won the Super Bowl.
18:02
SPEAKER_00: He was the anchor on that offensive line and a very, very good offensive line.
18:07
SPEAKER_01: One of the best that we'll probably see in the next 10 to 15 years.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: Oh, absolutely.
18:11
SPEAKER_00: That offensive line absolutely won them that Super Bowl.
18:15
SPEAKER_00: I know the defense played awesome, but but the line got him there.
18:18
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Saquon had a historic season uh running behind those guys, obviously, some good names over there, but yeah, Becton was was definitely one of the best.
18:27
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, an extremely high upside player.
18:30
SPEAKER_00: He's also only 27.
18:31
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
18:32
SPEAKER_00: So there is a real possibility that if this works out, he could end up being a long-term answer.
18:37
SPEAKER_00: And he knows that.
18:38
SPEAKER_01: Uh he's probably looking for that next big contract.
18:40
SPEAKER_01: Right now, he's on the practice squad, and you had mentioned it's vet minimum.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: So not a huge high dollar price that Green Bay has to pay right now.
18:50
SPEAKER_01: But if he comes in, and I I would be willing to bet he's gonna get elevated here shortly.
18:57
SPEAKER_01: Uh not this week, maybe this week.
18:59
SPEAKER_00: He it might be this week, but I would see it or assume that it would be uh just in an emergency role this week.
19:05
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
19:06
SPEAKER_00: Uh I could definitely see Tomlinson starting.
19:09
SPEAKER_00: I think he's probably gonna start getting uh team first team reps right away, get him, you know, uh engaged in the offense and and get the playbook.
19:19
SPEAKER_00: He was in San Francisco, so he knows kind of the the gist.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: He's been with Kyle Shanahan, so similar you know, systems.
19:28
SPEAKER_00: So that should help.
19:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh Matt LaFleur today did say too that Becton is on the right side.
19:35
SPEAKER_00: Uh he's he's either gonna be right guard or right tackle.
19:38
SPEAKER_00: Basically, they feel comfortable with him at either.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: He was drafted as a tackle, he played guard for Philly, was probably his best position.
19:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but it does help, you know, just kind of throw out another potential swing tackle if they're gonna be able to get the bigger.
19:52
SPEAKER_01: Did the chargers have him at right tackle?
19:54
SPEAKER_01: I think they had him at a guard.
19:55
SPEAKER_00: I think he think he's a guard now, uh, for the most part, but uh obviously has the experience at tackle.
20:02
SPEAKER_00: He was drafted as a tackle, played tackle in college.
20:05
SPEAKER_00: Uh I hope Belton can continue to improve and keep showing what he has shown.
20:12
SPEAKER_00: I thought he did he was probably the best of the worst.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: I would say.
20:17
SPEAKER_01: Um I'm just trying to think back now.
20:20
SPEAKER_01: I kind of repressed some of that game out of my mind.
20:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I would agree with you.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: I think Belton probably had the best tape out of all the again.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't good.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: No.
20:31
SPEAKER_00: It wasn't good, but maybe the best of the worst.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: Uh, where I was going with that though, is both of them are enormous.
20:38
SPEAKER_00: And if you get Belton and Becton on the right side running downhill, we might be able to run the football that way.
20:45
SPEAKER_01: That was Belton's thing too in college.
20:47
SPEAKER_01: He was a mauler.
20:48
SPEAKER_00: He he would get out in front of the running back and he would just pancake guys.
20:53
SPEAKER_00: I just saw today after we signed Becton too, I think it was a clip of Lewis Riddick, uh, analyst for ESPN, and does draft coverage too.
21:03
SPEAKER_00: Uh when Belton was coming out, he compared him, his his pro comp was Becton.
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Really?
21:09
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're both massive human beings.
21:12
SPEAKER_00: That's cool.
21:13
SPEAKER_00: And it's similar play style.
21:16
SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, I guess I I didn't remember that, but it was cool to see that clip.
21:20
SPEAKER_00: That that's what he said.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: So hopefully some exciting times coming.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: Uh I agree with you.
21:26
SPEAKER_00: Uh potentially uh a practice squad elevation this week.
21:30
SPEAKER_00: Um I guess it depends on their long-term plans.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: I don't foresee him not being on the roster anytime soon.
21:37
SPEAKER_00: Or let me rephrase that.
21:40
SPEAKER_00: I think he will be on the roster shortly.
21:42
SPEAKER_00: So I think the practice squad signing was just to get him in the building and get his feet wet and kind of get you know up to speed on the offense.
21:52
SPEAKER_00: Uh but I think shortly he will be he's probably gonna be the starting right guard, potentially next week.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: Or how I guess however.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: However, long it takes him to get ready.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I like that.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: I like that idea.
22:05
SPEAKER_01: I would pretty much agree with you on that.
22:07
SPEAKER_01: One thing I just want to say still, I saw some of it today, and it's it drives me nuts.
22:15
SPEAKER_01: This isn't pointed at anybody specific out there, but just the the overall.
22:23
SPEAKER_01: I see a lot of it.
22:24
SPEAKER_01: A lot of people complain and they whine and they get upset, and then we go out and we make a move, two moves actually, at a position of serious need, and there's still people complaining.
22:36
SPEAKER_01: Well, it's it's not this guy, it's this guy's past his prime.
22:39
SPEAKER_01: This guy's been in the league 12 years, he's he's old.
22:42
SPEAKER_01: Shut up.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, just stop.
22:45
SPEAKER_01: They're trying, they know it's a position of need, they're trying their hardest.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, they sit there and they watch film, they know what the problem is, and they're trying to address it.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: So just take some time, be patient with this.
22:58
SPEAKER_01: These guys are they're gonna get their feet wet, like you said.
23:02
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna eventually prove their worth, and if they stink, they stink.
23:07
SPEAKER_01: But it's they're trying.
23:10
SPEAKER_00: Not every move pans out.
23:11
SPEAKER_00: No.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: And I I saw something today, too, that somebody was complaining about draft picks and how, oh, this is all Goody's fault, and he's terrible, and the he took this guy over this guy, and there was an intelligent person.
23:26
SPEAKER_00: I wish I remembered their name, so I could credit them, but they made an excellent point in the comments saying that you can say this with every GM and every team and every draft ever.
23:38
SPEAKER_00: Period.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: Might have been me.
23:40
SPEAKER_00: No, I've we've said that before, but it's true.
23:44
SPEAKER_00: It's it's a crapshoot.
23:46
SPEAKER_00: Hindsight's 2020.
23:47
SPEAKER_00: These guys don't know what these guys are gonna be.
23:49
SPEAKER_00: That's why they're they're scouting for the next year's draft right now.
23:53
SPEAKER_00: Like, do you guys realize that?
23:55
SPEAKER_00: They're scouting for next year, the following year's draft.
23:58
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, you know, three years out, they're they're following these freshmen and oh absolutely.
24:02
SPEAKER_00: They know these guys, they're they're paying attention to them, so you can only do so much, and and nobody is nobody's even above probably 50%, to be honest with you.
24:14
SPEAKER_00: It is a tough job, and it's not one that most people get right half the time.
24:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you just gotta find the find the guys who have potential, and depending on you know the organization that you're in, the guy that might match your scheme, or you know, players that are easily moldable.
24:33
SPEAKER_01: Did I say that right?
24:34
SPEAKER_01: Easily moldable, sorry.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: Words are hard sometimes.
24:39
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, a player that you can bring into your organization that you know has a good head on their shoulders, and even that sometimes life gets in the way and goofy things happen, but they're trying, it's not an easy job, and I think he's done a great job so far.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: There are certain things where I had mentioned it to you over the weekend.
25:00
SPEAKER_01: I'll just bring this up here quick.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Uh, just looking at a handful of guys that we have let walk the last couple seasons, the optics aren't great right now.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: You've got guys like Josh Myers who are who's performing at a high level, Elton Jenkins.
25:14
SPEAKER_01: And maybe pump the brakes on high level, but better than what we have for sure.
25:19
SPEAKER_01: I was basing it off, I guess, of the the pro football focus grades, which PFF is kind of a joke, my opinion.
25:26
SPEAKER_01: Just very hard to get a read on what they see and why they grade players a certain way.
25:31
SPEAKER_01: But there are a handful of guys that Green Bay has let go in the last two seasons here that they're they're playing pretty pretty well, I would say.
25:42
SPEAKER_01: But that doesn't mean that it was a bad decision to let him go.
25:47
SPEAKER_00: Correct.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you look at uh you you look at Elton Jenkins probably as the best example there, Elton Jenkins was giving us what Aaron Banks is giving us right now.
25:58
SPEAKER_00: He cost a lot and he didn't play much.
26:02
SPEAKER_00: You guys are everybody's calling for Aaron Banks to be cut or traded, or if anybody would take him, they want Aaron Banks gone.
26:08
SPEAKER_00: Elton Jenkins was literally the same player two years ago.
26:11
SPEAKER_00: And everybody was saying the same thing.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: We want him gone.
26:14
SPEAKER_01: He's a shell of himself his old self.
26:16
SPEAKER_01: He's not the player he used to be.
26:18
SPEAKER_01: Move on, cut bait.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
26:21
SPEAKER_01: And now everybody's saying, well, we want him back.
26:24
SPEAKER_01: Why'd we get rid of Elton Jenkins?
26:25
SPEAKER_01: That was dumb.
26:26
SPEAKER_01: I wasn't I think you knew you know where I'm coming from.
26:29
SPEAKER_01: I think the optics right now, with Green Bay being one and two, everybody's pointing out the negatives, and the world's burning, and everything sucks, and everybody's looking for somebody to blame.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Whether it's Matt LaFleur, whether it's Goody, assistant coaches, position coaches.
26:48
SPEAKER_01: I'm so sick of the fire this guy, fire this guy.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
26:51
SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
26:52
SPEAKER_00: It's we need to stop with all the negativity, too.
26:56
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I know we're not that way.
26:59
SPEAKER_00: We definitely don't uh see it that way.
27:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, clearly we've backed uh Matt multiple times already so far, but it's just it it's too negative as a as a fan base.
27:13
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're better than this.
27:14
SPEAKER_00: We're the Green Bay Packers.
27:15
SPEAKER_00: We're three weeks in.
27:17
SPEAKER_00: I mean, yes, there's a lot of things that need to be improved upon, but who knows what's gonna happen.
27:23
SPEAKER_00: I mean, heck, we could we could lose the rest of the year every game.
27:27
SPEAKER_00: I don't see that happening.
27:29
SPEAKER_00: The LA Rams are one and two right now, too.
27:31
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Houston's 0-3.
27:33
SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying the Rams are the odds-on Super Bowl favorite going into the season.
27:38
SPEAKER_01: We weren't even supposed to play because the Rams are just gonna win a Super Bowl.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: And they're one and two.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
27:42
SPEAKER_01: They had a massive collapse last night against Denver in the fourth quarter.
27:46
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
27:47
SPEAKER_01: Stafford threw a pick six.
27:48
SPEAKER_01: I mean, he doesn't do that.
27:49
SPEAKER_01: He was last year's MVP.
27:50
SPEAKER_01: He threw a pick six to give Denver the lead.
27:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
27:53
SPEAKER_01: So it's three weeks.
27:55
SPEAKER_00: Give it time.
27:56
SPEAKER_00: Let's wait.
27:57
SPEAKER_00: And it's it's similar to baseball.
27:59
SPEAKER_00: I mean, all these averages, they're they're gonna play out.
28:02
SPEAKER_00: You know, these guys typically tend to come back to what they usually are, and that it goes both ways.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Christian Watson, I'm sorry, he's not gonna score 18 touchdowns, probably.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: He's not gonna score every week, he's not gonna score multiple every week.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean that all of a sudden he's a bad football player.
28:19
SPEAKER_00: So we just need to be patient and let the season play out, and we'll see where we're at around Thanksgiving.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: You know, that's kind of your your benchmark where you know what you gotta do to either plan for next year or what you need to do to make a push to get into the playoffs.
28:39
SPEAKER_00: And that goes for everybody, yeah.
28:40
SPEAKER_00: Every team.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: So at least give it till heck, at least give it to Halloween.
28:46
SPEAKER_00: Like give it another month yet, and and then we can start throwing our hands up and wondering where everything went wrong.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: But right now it's too too soon to tell.
28:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I love it.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: I love how we're both we're on the same page, and that doesn't mean that we're right, but we both kind of live life this way.
29:09
SPEAKER_01: Happy go lucky, look at the positives.
29:12
SPEAKER_01: Could always be worse.
29:13
SPEAKER_01: You know, glass half full, not half empty.
29:16
SPEAKER_01: So you you said it perfectly.
29:19
SPEAKER_01: Let's just let's have fun.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: We waited this long to get football.
29:22
SPEAKER_01: I know it sucks, and we're not winning every game and we're not blowing every team out, but let's enjoy it while it's here because when it's done, we got another six to seven months to wait before it's back.
29:32
SPEAKER_00: Come February and March, we're gonna be like, Man, I miss football.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think that about does it for Atlanta.
29:39
SPEAKER_00: Uh, not a whole lot more to talk about.
29:42
SPEAKER_00: Good or bad.
29:43
SPEAKER_00: You know, we can kind of flush it.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it sucks that we've said that two out of three times now, but it'll get better.
29:49
SPEAKER_01: It will.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: It has to.
29:51
SPEAKER_01: You gotta figure out some communication on the offensive line.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: You gotta find a way to have a more balanced offense, run game, and pass game.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: I don't really have much more to say on Atlanta, so we can maybe step into some Tampa Bay talk here coming up.
30:08
SPEAKER_00: Let's let's jump into that.
30:09
SPEAKER_00: So we have Tampa on Sunday.
30:12
SPEAKER_00: We go down there.
30:14
SPEAKER_00: I'm not sure exactly what time they play.
30:18
SPEAKER_01: I know a couple people that are actually flying down in Florida for the game.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Nice.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:25
SPEAKER_01: Lucky them.
30:26
SPEAKER_01: I wish I was them.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
30:27
SPEAKER_00: So it's either gonna be the noon or the the three three o'clock game.
30:32
SPEAKER_00: I don't have it up in front of me right now.
30:33
SPEAKER_00: I apologize, but I'll take care of that.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: It's not prime time, I know that.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: It's Sunday, so we are headed down there.
30:42
SPEAKER_00: Uh noon.
30:43
SPEAKER_00: Noon.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
30:44
SPEAKER_00: So Tampa's 0-3.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
30:47
SPEAKER_00: That that's another one.
30:48
SPEAKER_00: Tampa is 0-3.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: They had some expectations.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: I saw people picking them to win the division.
30:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh they're 0-3.
30:56
SPEAKER_00: They are likely, actually, I think it's pretty much been confirmed they are going to be without Baker Mayfield.
31:02
SPEAKER_00: He suffered a dislocated thumb against Minnesota.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: I think maybe twice.
31:06
SPEAKER_00: Was it?
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, I just saw the last one and I didn't watch it again because it was kind of gruesome.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can't say for sure, but I had some stuff going on.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: Finally sat down to watch the game.
31:18
SPEAKER_01: And I think when he did dislocate it the last time, you know, he got up.
31:22
SPEAKER_01: You could hear I think you could hear some screams a little bit.
31:25
SPEAKER_01: He was in a lot of pain.
31:26
SPEAKER_01: And then he instantly got up and went to the locker room.
31:28
SPEAKER_01: But I thought I had heard on the broadcast maybe he had a thumb issue earlier this season, or maybe it was earlier in the game, or maybe he was kind of clutching at it at a different point.
31:37
SPEAKER_01: Sure.
31:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't know for sure if he dislocated it twice.
31:41
SPEAKER_01: I guess I shouldn't have said that with so much confidence.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: But well, he's had a couple thumb injuries then, let's just put it that way.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, he's ruled out.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: Uh I think it's a rookie.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: Undrafted rookie, Jalen Daniels out of Kansas.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Not Jaden Daniels, Jalen Daniels.
32:00
SPEAKER_00: I don't know that that would scare me right now, but at this point, it probably would.
32:05
SPEAKER_00: But yeah, it is definitely gonna be an unproven guy.
32:10
SPEAKER_00: Got some mobility.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: I feel the same way about this matchup that I did the Jets and the Falcons, which kind of scares me.
32:22
SPEAKER_01: Not that it's a trap game.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: I mean it's on their home turf, so I guess.
32:26
SPEAKER_00: I think for right now we can eliminate trap game from our vernacular because I think right now we're the ones that trap people.
32:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're right.
32:36
SPEAKER_00: You're right.
32:37
SPEAKER_00: I we don't really have the bullseye at this particular moment.
32:40
SPEAKER_00: Very true.
32:42
SPEAKER_00: I I do like this matchup though.
32:44
SPEAKER_00: Uh we are I think due for a bounce back.
32:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think the offense is gonna sort of focus hopefully more so on the fundamentals.
32:56
SPEAKER_00: Um I think the the play calling was was fine in Atlanta.
33:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, everybody cries about, oh, we don't run the ball, we don't run the ball, or all we do is run the ball on first down.
33:07
SPEAKER_00: First down, second down, run, run, pass.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: We ran the ball 11 times.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: So actually, if anything, the play calling was poor in that direction.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: We threw the ball way too many times.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Part of it was we were down in the second half, so we had to come try and come back.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: But uh they need to be a little m a little bit more balanced, I think.
33:28
SPEAKER_00: Uh getting back to some basics and and some simple run fits and and just you know kind of scrape it back down to day one stuff, which is stuff we struggle with in Minnesota.
33:39
SPEAKER_00: But if we can just get some semblance of a run game, I think that will go a long way.
33:47
SPEAKER_00: The one thing that I do feel maybe the best about, maybe not the best, but at least have some level of optimism.
33:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh Tampa Bay is either dead last or second to last in their pass rush win rate so far this year.
34:04
SPEAKER_00: Again, it's only been three weeks, so anything can happen.
34:07
SPEAKER_00: Atlanta didn't have a good offense and they put up 35 points and looked like the greatest show on turf of old.
34:14
SPEAKER_00: So we'll see what happens.
34:16
SPEAKER_00: But so far through three weeks, they are not getting very much pressure, uh, which obviously hopefully is a breath of fresh air for the offensive line to kind of figure out what they can do to get better.
34:30
SPEAKER_00: Uh and then you're gonna be facing a rookie quarterback and then making his first career start, obviously.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Yep, and then I think Bucky Irving might be out too.
34:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he was down when I was watching that game too.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: He had his helmet off, he was on the sideline.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: Kenneth Gainwell, Kenny Gainwell now.
34:48
SPEAKER_01: He changed his name from Kenneth to Kenny, officially Kenny.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: He's more of a gadget guy, though.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: I mean, uh he was in Pittsburgh last year.
34:56
SPEAKER_00: He he fit great in Pittsburgh.
34:58
SPEAKER_00: I kind of wish we they could have found a way to re-sign him.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: Um, but he he's not gonna be a turnaround and hand the ball two, thirty times a game.
35:09
SPEAKER_00: And obviously you're gonna have multiple guys in the backfield, but this is a game where you absolutely 1000% need to stop the run.
35:18
SPEAKER_00: Because if you let them run the ball and they are in third and one, third and two, the quarterback is mobile.
35:26
SPEAKER_00: You know, you can run some some college type stuff, read option that is gonna be has been tricky, you know.
35:34
SPEAKER_00: Throughout the past for us, it didn't matter who was calling the defense, you know, Colin Kaepernick set multiple records on us.
35:41
SPEAKER_00: Sorry to bring that up for anybody who's traumatized from it still, me included.
35:46
SPEAKER_00: Uh but yeah, if if we get them in in third and longs and obvious passing situations, I would feel much, much better about it.
35:55
SPEAKER_00: Uh, we gotta be able to stop the run.
35:58
SPEAKER_00: There's just no no other way about it.
36:00
SPEAKER_00: You know, they need to do a better job at tackling and and keeping the play in front of them and and not over pursuing as much as they did on Thursday.
36:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think their game against Minnesota was a pretty high volume penalty game on both sides.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: I think it was a pretty sloppy game when they played Minnesota.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: Can't really rely on penalties every week.
36:27
SPEAKER_01: Look at us for example, the first two weeks, we had a crazy amount of penalties last week against Atlanta, only six like you had mentioned earlier.
36:37
SPEAKER_01: So they need to win this game.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Tampa, this is kind of a do-or-die game for them.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: 0-4 would not look good for them and their fans.
36:49
SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
36:52
SPEAKER_00: It I know for sure it's it's less than five percent.
36:55
SPEAKER_00: I don't know if there's ever been a team that has started 0-4 and made the playoffs.
36:59
SPEAKER_00: If there has, it's been probably less than five teams.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: So, yes, this is absolutely must-win for Tampa.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: It it's must-win for Green Bay.
37:10
SPEAKER_00: I mean, they're in a part of their schedule where they gotta write the ship in a hurry.
37:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:15
SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, come November, they're starting to get into division games, and Minnesota's 3-0.
37:20
SPEAKER_00: So they got some ground to make up there.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Uh, Detroit and Chicago, we'll see.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: I mean, Detroit hasn't really impressed me.
37:28
SPEAKER_00: Chicago's without Caleb for a little bit.
37:30
SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, we'll probably get Chicago without Caleb most likely, unless he miraculously heals from his his injury and wants to play against Green Bay, which I could absolutely see him wanting to do.
37:42
SPEAKER_01: Oh, for sure.
37:43
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, hopefully that's something that uh we're talking about one way or another in two weeks.
37:50
SPEAKER_00: But uh, yeah, I think this is definitely a must-win.
37:55
SPEAKER_00: I mean, two and two, you don't feel so bad.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Right?
37:58
SPEAKER_00: Like you it looked bad against Atlanta and it looked less than great against Minnesota.
38:04
SPEAKER_00: But if if you come out of the first four games at two and two, I mean, no harm.
38:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have a perfect opportunity here to play play a team that's struggling like we are.
38:17
SPEAKER_01: I hate to keep bringing it up and say get right game.
38:21
SPEAKER_01: Baby steps.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: If you can fix a few things each week, eventually you're not gonna be unstoppable, but you're gonna be a very, very well-rounded team.
38:32
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
38:33
SPEAKER_01: Last week we cleaned up the penalties, so that's a big thing for us.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Right.
38:37
SPEAKER_01: Now keep that going.
38:39
SPEAKER_01: Other than that, there wasn't a whole lot.
38:41
SPEAKER_01: Special teams was special teams.
38:43
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we had a blocked kick against us, so that can't keep happening.
38:48
SPEAKER_01: I I feel good.
38:50
SPEAKER_01: I don't really have much more to say on the Tampa game.
38:52
SPEAKER_01: They have some players.
38:54
SPEAKER_01: Chris Godwin, Teddy Hurst.
38:58
SPEAKER_00: Vitavia is an immovable object on the defensive line.
39:02
SPEAKER_00: As long as he's playing, uh, I know he played last week, but I don't know.
39:05
SPEAKER_00: I don't remember if he got hurt or not.
39:07
SPEAKER_00: We'll have to see the injury report later in the week.
39:09
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I can't remember if he got hurt.
39:11
SPEAKER_01: I I he did have a couple, at least one for sure.
39:14
SPEAKER_01: Um he batted down a pass on Kyler, which was pretty easy, easy to do.
39:18
SPEAKER_01: You could do that.
39:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:20
SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he's an absolute unit in the middle there.
39:24
SPEAKER_01: They're linebackers.
39:25
SPEAKER_01: They got some uh rookies.
39:27
SPEAKER_01: Uh, Ruben Bain.
39:27
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say I think they're young on defense.
39:29
SPEAKER_01: I think Ruben Bain, correct?
39:30
SPEAKER_00: That's uh yeah, but he's kind of uh a guy that's been, I don't want to say under some fire, but it was sort of controversial.
39:38
SPEAKER_00: Uh he played at Miami, was a monster in college.
39:41
SPEAKER_00: He put up unreal sack numbers and production at the college level, but he's got short arms and he's stocky, and those guys have historically never, absolutely never transitioned to the pro game.
39:57
SPEAKER_00: He was drafted, I would say, on you know, pedigree of of the college production, but there was definitely some question marks about his size.
40:07
SPEAKER_00: And so far, I don't know that he's got much production.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: I think I think that's one of the things that people are sort of like, I told you so.
40:15
SPEAKER_00: Um I I don't know what his numbers are factually, like I I could be totally wrong, but I think I just saw something about that this week.
40:24
SPEAKER_00: How you know he's got to pick it up, or the size production argument is never gonna go away because right now he's he's not really doing anything to squash that.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: Overall, I think on paper we're the better team.
40:38
SPEAKER_01: Paper hasn't really done much much the first three weeks.
40:41
SPEAKER_01: You can kind of crumple that paper up and throw it away.
40:44
SPEAKER_01: I feel good.
40:45
SPEAKER_01: I'll say that over and over again.
40:47
SPEAKER_01: I feel really good about this game.
40:49
SPEAKER_01: I think we have an opportunity to get an early lead to try and build that run game, to try and become more balanced.
40:57
SPEAKER_01: Maybe there'll be some new pieces on the offensive line that we'll get to experiment with.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: We'll see how soon those guys get up to speed and ready to get the opportunity.
41:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh Lakin Tomlins Tomlinson, I would put big money on, is going to be active.
41:15
SPEAKER_00: He obviously was signed to the active roster because we signed him off of Dallas' practice squad.
41:20
SPEAKER_00: So the only way you can take a guy from another practice squad is to sign him to the active roster.
41:25
SPEAKER_00: So he will be active or at least on the active roster.
41:29
SPEAKER_00: I I would be really surprised he's got over a week.
41:32
SPEAKER_00: So he shouldn't be a healthy scratch.
41:34
SPEAKER_01: I think he'll he'll suit up, he'll be out there ready to go if called upon.
41:38
SPEAKER_01: I don't foresee him being in the starting lineup this soon, but crazier things have happened.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: I think I disagree with you on that.
41:45
SPEAKER_00: I think uh I think Matt's comments today were sort of a kind of just in case, but he he did say that he's comfortable with him at left guard or right guard.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Nice.
41:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm starting to get a little tired of the uh I think over cross training that the Packers have done of guys.
42:07
SPEAKER_00: You know, this guy's played well over a thousand snaps at left guard.
42:11
SPEAKER_00: Like, let's just let him play left guard.
42:13
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but I guess that does depend on Aaron Banks.
42:16
SPEAKER_00: So and I think I do think that was partially why he said what he did, uh, because he was asked about Aaron Banks, and I feel like he's getting really tired of this question.
42:26
SPEAKER_00: But he it was sort of uh, you know, the typical, well, we'll give it the week and we'll see where he's gonna be at.
42:32
SPEAKER_00: But I think if Banks can go, that's where you might see Tomlinson over at right guard for this week.
42:39
SPEAKER_00: Sure.
42:40
SPEAKER_00: But then obviously if Banks can't, I think there's no force reasonable that would keep him from playing left guard.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it'll be interesting.
42:50
SPEAKER_01: We've got options now, some veteran presence in the offensive line room.
42:55
SPEAKER_01: Healthy, I hope, for now.
42:58
SPEAKER_01: So far.
42:59
SPEAKER_01: We'll see.
43:00
SPEAKER_01: Speaking of health, I'll just bring this up real quick here.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: Micah Parsons' practice window has not been opened up as of today, Monday.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: So he's not gonna practice this week at all.
43:11
SPEAKER_01: Probably next week.
43:14
SPEAKER_00: I could see that.
43:15
SPEAKER_00: He did say, Matt LaFleur also said today that he's gotta be cleared.
43:19
SPEAKER_00: Uh, also, though there were no setbacks, this is just part of the plan.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
43:23
SPEAKER_00: So no need to worry about that just yet.
43:27
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but yeah, he's not not practicing this week.
43:30
SPEAKER_00: We're not on mica watch quite yet.
43:31
SPEAKER_00: Not yet.
43:32
SPEAKER_00: Soon.
43:33
SPEAKER_00: Should be very soon.
43:34
SPEAKER_00: Prediction for this week.
43:37
SPEAKER_00: Not gonna give a score again.
43:39
SPEAKER_00: Maybe we should start giving scores.
43:40
SPEAKER_00: Not giving scores has really hurt us, but I gave a score prediction.
43:43
SPEAKER_00: We all gave score predictions for the Vikings and then kinda tried to get it.
43:47
SPEAKER_00: I got scared.
43:49
SPEAKER_00: I think it's a win.
43:50
SPEAKER_00: Uh hopefully it's a comfortable win, but I don't think that is gonna be the case.
43:56
SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, I think there's too much to clean up.
43:59
SPEAKER_00: I think It's gonna be you know one score potentially late.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully not.
44:05
SPEAKER_00: Hopefully we're not worrying about trying to stop a a rookie quarterback late and and we can sort of get back on our feet with this one.
44:14
SPEAKER_00: But I do think we are gonna win.
44:17
SPEAKER_00: Um hopefully it's comfortable, but uh I wouldn't hold my breath on that just because of how how it's gone so far.
44:24
SPEAKER_00: You you mentioned sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there.
44:27
SPEAKER_00: I was just gonna say that you mentioned, you know, trying to get back to run in the football if we can get out to an early lead.
44:33
SPEAKER_00: If that is the case, just gonna throw this out there right off the bat.
44:37
SPEAKER_00: Please be patient.
44:39
SPEAKER_00: We should try to get back to to the run.
44:42
SPEAKER_00: I absolutely 1,000% agree with that.
44:45
SPEAKER_00: But it's not gonna get fixed overnight.
44:47
SPEAKER_00: They're they don't have any new running backs, there's nothing new other than maybe a couple offensive linemen.
44:54
SPEAKER_00: Uh the running backs need to step up their efforts right now, too.
44:58
SPEAKER_00: Um, I think our offensive line actually is graded okay in the run game.
45:04
SPEAKER_00: Uh they they've given some alright run lanes.
45:08
SPEAKER_00: Um I think that's uh sort of product of inexperience at running back so far, too.
45:14
SPEAKER_00: You know, guys aren't necessarily seeing the right lanes and and making the guy miss in the hole, and it's it it hasn't been very positive so far.
45:25
SPEAKER_00: But if they do get the lead and they do try to establish a run, I'd be willing to bet they're gonna run the ball more than eleven times this week.
45:32
SPEAKER_00: So when it doesn't work, when it's one yard, two yards, three yards, especially if it's early, just be patient, you know?
45:42
SPEAKER_00: I think Matt LaFleur even mentioned it today in his press conference.
45:45
SPEAKER_00: Again, we keep referencing that, but it's it's like a boxer.
45:50
SPEAKER_00: You need to have those body blows.
45:52
SPEAKER_00: And in the first, second, even third quarter, they might not be working, but you still need to do it.
45:56
SPEAKER_00: And if you get to the point where you have the lead in the fourth quarter, or now you need a big play, and you can run play action and hit a big one because they have to be conscious of the run.
46:07
SPEAKER_00: It's it's all connected.
46:09
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of times too.
46:10
SPEAKER_01: I see a lot of people complaining, you know, why are we running?
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Why are we running the ball so much?
46:14
SPEAKER_01: If they're running two high safeties, they're begging you to run the ball.
46:19
SPEAKER_01: So, like you were saying, you have to be able to somehow get a decent gain on first down, second down, that's third and short, even trying running it on third and short.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: If they have two high safeties, they're asking you to do it.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: It's a lot harder to throw the ball when you have two safeties sitting up high, and then that puts more pressure on Jordan Love to make the read, to get a completion.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: So they're not just doing it to make people mad when they're running the ball, they're doing it because statistically, you're gonna pick up a bigger gain because there's less guys in the box to stop the running back.
46:53
SPEAKER_00: So that's just great analysis.
46:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's very simple, easy.
46:57
SPEAKER_00: I'll throw another simple one, but some people just don't get it, so I'm just throwing it out there.
47:02
SPEAKER_00: That's one of my biggest pet peeves, too, especially watching in large groups of people.
47:06
SPEAKER_00: Like I'm not I'm not that smart, but you can put two and two together.
47:10
SPEAKER_01: Why are we running the ball?
47:11
SPEAKER_01: Well, you see, they're asking they're setting it up for us to run.
47:14
SPEAKER_01: If you can't pick up a few yards on first down, second down when they have two high safeties.
47:20
SPEAKER_00: I mean So that was that was a the other simple number I was gonna throw out at you.
47:25
SPEAKER_00: 3.4 yards.
47:27
SPEAKER_00: That's that's it.
47:29
SPEAKER_00: That's all you need to average per rush.
47:31
SPEAKER_00: And if you run it three times, guess what?
47:34
SPEAKER_00: First down, that's more than ten yards.
47:36
SPEAKER_00: That's all it takes to get a first down, is ten yards.
47:38
SPEAKER_00: So three point four yards is all you need to average, and you're sitting in a good spot, and you'll you can run the ball three times in a row and pick up a first down.
47:47
SPEAKER_00: So it doesn't need to be 11, 14, 25.
47:50
SPEAKER_00: If it's three and a half, and then three and a half, well, guess what?
47:55
SPEAKER_00: Now it's third and three.
47:56
SPEAKER_00: And guess what you just did two times in a row?
47:59
SPEAKER_00: Got three and a half yards.
48:01
SPEAKER_00: So keep it simple, stupid.
48:03
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
48:04
SPEAKER_01: One of my favorite lines.
48:06
SPEAKER_01: I will I'll just throw one thing out here quick.
48:08
SPEAKER_01: You had kind of talked about your prediction for the game.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
48:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
48:12
SPEAKER_00: Sorry, I forgot to ask you.
48:13
SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, no, you're good.
48:14
SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be ugly.
48:15
SPEAKER_01: I I'm just kind of going with the trend here lately.
48:19
SPEAKER_01: I think we win.
48:20
SPEAKER_01: I don't think everything's gonna get fixed right now.
48:24
SPEAKER_01: Obviously we've talked about that.
48:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't even think a I don't even think there's gonna be a little bit that gets fixed.
48:30
SPEAKER_01: Well, I shouldn't say that.
48:31
SPEAKER_01: I think we fix a little bit, but it's not enough to get over the hump.
48:34
SPEAKER_01: And feel really good.
48:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it's gonna be an ugly game.
48:37
SPEAKER_01: I could see it being a field goal to win the game for us, or Tampa's marching down the field, and all they need is a field goal or a touchdown, and we get a turnover, however, it may be.
48:50
SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be pretty ugly.
48:52
SPEAKER_01: I think it's gonna be a slow-moving game.
48:55
SPEAKER_01: But if you can fix the little things, if you can start to build that run game, if you can get that continuity on the offensive line, if you can get Jordan Love more comfortable, if you can get the defense flowing to the ball and not overpursuing, like you had said, I think a little bit is gonna go right and we're gonna end up with uh with the win, but I don't think it's gonna be this big weight lifted off our chest.
49:17
SPEAKER_00: That is a very good way to put that.
49:20
SPEAKER_00: I could definitely see that being very much the case.
49:24
SPEAKER_00: So I think that's about all we have as far as uh breakdown for this week.
49:29
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49:33
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50:32
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50:43
SPEAKER_00: And it cannot be fire Matt LaFleur, because I'm sorry guys, it's not gonna happen.
50:48
SPEAKER_00: Not not yet.
50:49
SPEAKER_00: It can't be Matt LaFleur has to give up play calling.
50:53
SPEAKER_00: Also, not gonna happen.
50:55
SPEAKER_00: We don't have a plan B there.
50:57
SPEAKER_00: I mean, maybe, maybe there's one or two guys, but I don't think it's anybody that you guys would feel comfortable with.
51:03
SPEAKER_01: Let Jordan Love call the plays.
51:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
51:05
SPEAKER_00: Joking.
51:06
SPEAKER_00: Doesn't doesn't work that way either.
51:08
SPEAKER_00: Uh so it can't be fire him and it can't be have him give up play calling.
51:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, it could be uh get rid of or fire um another coach, a position coach, or something like that.
51:21
SPEAKER_00: That is uh an option.
51:22
SPEAKER_00: But let us know how you would fix the offense.
51:25
SPEAKER_00: Can't be fire Matt LaFleur, can't be give up play calling.
51:29
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it also has to be something realistic, please.
51:32
SPEAKER_00: All right, let's uh let's try to have uh a good-spirited back and forth here potentially, but it can't be, oh, you know, let's just go trade for Joe Thomas or you know, Trent Williams should be a pack.
51:47
SPEAKER_00: Like, no, it let's do something realistic.
51:50
SPEAKER_00: It's not gonna be a trade, uh, at least not for some all-pro offensive linemen that everybody's wishing for.
51:56
SPEAKER_00: We don't have a first-round pick to give up a guy give up for a guy like that anyway.
52:00
SPEAKER_00: Uh, but it's also not something that teams are looking to get rid of.
52:04
SPEAKER_00: So that's not gonna be an option.
52:06
SPEAKER_01: Let's get creative with it.
52:08
SPEAKER_01: I mean, most of you that listen to this watch enough football to have a good idea, whether it's a depth chart move or something as simple as run the ball more on first and second.
52:22
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52:25
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52:29
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52:35
SPEAKER_00: So again, let's try and be constructive.
52:37
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52:51
SPEAKER_00: I doubt it.
52:52
SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
52:53
SPEAKER_01: I think that pretty much wraps it up today.
52:55
SPEAKER_01: I believe so.
52:56
SPEAKER_01: That's all I got.
52:57
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53:03
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53:04
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