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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Panthers Praise · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was just something that the PassPod, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Brad and the guys had been working on with Coker,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: and we've had it up and down the last couple
• 0:28
  Speaker 1: of weeks. It looked like it would be a good
• 0:30
  Speaker 1: matchup in that area. And then Bryce did a great
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  Speaker 1: job of extending the play so Jalen can find a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more space.
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  Speaker 2: On that one. Oh, I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Jalen Coker in the backfield on a huge third down
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  Speaker 3: play in our own territory.
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  Speaker 4: Mismatch.
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  Speaker 3: Shakes and bakes the linebacker, Zach Bond. 32-yard play. Brad
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  Speaker 3: Idzik was in his bag yesterday, man. There's about five
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  Speaker 3: or six moments where, you know, I think we notice
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  Speaker 3: as fans or maybe Ross Tucker points out, hey, look
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  Speaker 3: what Idzik's doing here. It was far from a perfect
• 1:05
  Speaker 3: game with 149 penalty yards, most in franchise history. But
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  Speaker 3: we've got to give some love to Brad Idzik. There
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  Speaker 3: was some beautiful stuff schematically yesterday, and there was a
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  Speaker 3: lot of other stuff to love on. It is time
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  Speaker 3: for our weekly 7 o'clock segment, which could be triggering
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  Speaker 3: and anger-filled, or it can be a joy. This week,
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  Speaker 3: it's who to give love to. It's not who to blame.
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  Speaker 3: It's who to give love and credit to for the Panthers'
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  Speaker 3: win in Philadelphia. I am now doing the show with
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  Speaker 3: a man in an Eagles costume, ladies and gentlemen. You
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  Speaker 3: look like the Eagles mascot on the sidelines.
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  Speaker 2: I was trying to flap my wings like the St.
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  Speaker 2: Joe's hawk, but I got about four in there. Now
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  Speaker 2: I'm winded. Here's a problem, though. I ordered this off Amazon.
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  Speaker 2: This is for the victory dance today. I may have
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  Speaker 2: got the women's outfit, Matt, because this thing is awfully
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  Speaker 2: snug here. Let's just say my... Let's just say... The
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  Speaker 2: bird's nest area is a little bit not good here.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're wondering why is Bone dressing up as
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  Speaker 3: an eagle, this is part of our victory dance later.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to have to watch it on social media.
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  Speaker 3: You're going to have to see. But I would not
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  Speaker 3: mind recreating the Tommy Tremble, Jalen Coker, Rocky celebration on
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  Speaker 3: this bird over here.
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  Speaker 2: During the victory dance. And shout out to Jose from
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  Speaker 2: Amazon because I had to order this. Well, I ordered
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  Speaker 2: this in the middle of the game, which I know
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  Speaker 2: is dangerous, but I felt yesterday. They overcame it. I
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  Speaker 2: was pretty confident, but yet for it to be here overnight,
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  Speaker 2: Jose at Amazon Mac was 12 stops away. When I
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  Speaker 2: woke up this morning, I thought there's no way he's
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  Speaker 2: going to get that to the front door by the
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  Speaker 2: time I have to leave. I don't know what Jose
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  Speaker 2: was doing, man. He got there in about 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 2: So I don't know if he was just throwing stuff
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  Speaker 2: out the window. Jose got it done, baby. Jose knew
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  Speaker 2: that this bird costume. was the most important thing in
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  Speaker 2: charlotte all day seth and concord the chicken nuggets are
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  Speaker 2: snug is what it's terming right now all right baby
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  Speaker 2: so who are we giving credit to you'll see the
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  Speaker 2: eagle um uh the eagle will um uh we'll lay
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  Speaker 2: we'll try to land during the victory dance and you'll
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  Speaker 2: see what happens to them later on today right now
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about our panthers getting this win and who
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  Speaker 2: we're going to give love to i thought there were
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  Speaker 2: other examples two bone of brad idzik and creativity. I
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  Speaker 2: love the use of Tommy Tremble in the fullback role.
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  Speaker 2: I loved the two calls on the two Tremble touchdowns.
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  Speaker 2: The first one, they do the delay where he looks
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  Speaker 2: like he's blocking. And next thing you know, he's wheeling
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  Speaker 2: out for a touchdown. To me, that was a scheme touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: And I also thought his second one was a scheme touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: The way they kind of roll Bryce out one way,
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  Speaker 2: not a complete throwback, But throwing it back to the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the field, and Cooper Dejean was completely.
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  Speaker 3: Fooled by that play as well. And I think there
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  Speaker 3: was a lot of– I shouldn't say a lot, but
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  Speaker 3: I think there was like five, six examples. And for
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  Speaker 3: people that are like football offensive schematic geniuses, they could
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  Speaker 3: probably show you a lot more.
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  Speaker 4: The use of motion, too.
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  Speaker 3: You saw it, and Ross Tucker pointed this one out, too,
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  Speaker 3: where they motioned– I think it was Mechie wide. The
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  Speaker 3: corner then leaves– TMAC in the slot goes outside, and
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  Speaker 3: then you've got TMAC on Makuba, the safety.
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  Speaker 4: Corner route, 18 yards, bang.
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  Speaker 3: Like, it's just, I just, I think Idzik was cooking,
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  Speaker 3: and this wasn't the prettiest game, Bone, but I still
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  Speaker 3: think there are some really cool things you can point
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  Speaker 3: to in there in this Panthers win, man.
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  Speaker 2: There was. We also can't forget that the Panthers, the
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  Speaker 2: Eagles are banged up, but the Panthers are also missing
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  Speaker 2: Mike Jack and Horn. And I don't care what team
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  Speaker 2: they're playing against. You take away, Mac, these 75 yards
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  Speaker 2: that Devontae Smith had. They held the rest of the
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  Speaker 2: wideouts for the Eagles to 115 yards. Excuse me, 145 yards.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty darn good right there. So for a secondary
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  Speaker 2: that we're worried about, yes, Devontae Smith didn't really have
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  Speaker 2: the biggest impact per se, one touchdown. But the other guys, matchup-wise,
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  Speaker 2: Wicks and Cooper and those guys, they could have had
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  Speaker 2: some days. But the secondary for the Panthers did a
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  Speaker 2: really good job, and that's not even our main guys.
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  Speaker 3: No, and Will Lee's getting love on the text line,
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  Speaker 3: and he deserves it. Listen, I know the PFF, you
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  Speaker 3: go look at PFF today, it's going to say seven completions.
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  Speaker 3: in 13 attempts they went after will lee over and
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  Speaker 3: over again um unlike last week when they went after
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  Speaker 3: evans over and over again i thought will lee held
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  Speaker 3: up really well especially considering was devante smith their best
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  Speaker 3: receiver most of the time bone um he had two
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  Speaker 3: pass breakups uh he was he had a couple of
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  Speaker 3: penalties but i'm with canalis those penalties are because he's
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  Speaker 3: kind of a jc horn I would love to tell
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  Speaker 3: a physical guy to rein it in a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: You can't tell a non-physical corner to get physical. If
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  Speaker 3: it's not in his DNA, it's not his DNA. But
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  Speaker 3: you've got a guy like that that's physical, got swag
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  Speaker 3: like that. Give me that in a rookie. He's going
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  Speaker 3: to be a good one. And dare I say, I
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  Speaker 3: could see them. I love Mike Jack, but I could
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  Speaker 3: see them try to save money on Mike Jack. and
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  Speaker 3: make Horn a starter, or make Lee a starter, man.
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  Speaker 3: Because I thought he fought, competed, and was real good, man.
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  Speaker 2: We've said that with these injuries, there's opportunity for guys
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  Speaker 2: to get better. And yes, it's a negative that those
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  Speaker 2: guys are out, but can it be a positive that
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  Speaker 2: guys like Will Lee have to play bigger roles sooner
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  Speaker 2: than we thought. Ultimately, that's how you're a good organization.
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  Speaker 2: Will Lee plays well. Next thing you know, you save
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  Speaker 2: money there. So I think that's something to monitor for sure.
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  Speaker 4: I think you also.
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  Speaker 3: The blanket and the seatbelt's a great combo. And listen,
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  Speaker 3: Evans gave up only three completions. Evans, it was, you know,
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  Speaker 3: he was not exposed. Again, it wasn't, it was far
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  Speaker 3: from the Detroit game. Like, you know, we'll see what
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  Speaker 3: happens to Evans against Green Bay because they were going off,
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  Speaker 3: love downfield to.
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  Speaker 4: Those wideouts yesterday again, last night again.
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  Speaker 3: Against Dallas. But for last night, Evans hung in there
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  Speaker 3: pretty well. I also think the blitzes, Averro blitzing 57%
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  Speaker 3: of the time, Bone, I think was a key in
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  Speaker 3: this game. I think it was the perfect game plan.
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  Speaker 3: And I would wonder, was that the game plan for Hertz?
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  Speaker 3: Or was that game plan changed at the end of
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  Speaker 3: the week? Because that was the perfect way to play
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  Speaker 3: it against a rookie quarterback, a young quarterback that's a statue.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't going anywhere. You could tee the hell off
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  Speaker 3: on him. He was not escaping you. And I thought
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  Speaker 3: the blitzing of the linebackers, I think PFF's initial numbers
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  Speaker 3: had it 16 times each for Okereke and Lloyd. And
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  Speaker 3: it resulted, Bone... And all three of our sacks came
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  Speaker 3: on blitzes. Okereke and Lloyd each had one. And I
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  Speaker 3: think Okereke twice hit the arm of McKee as he
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  Speaker 3: was throwing, forcing an incompletion. So I do think they
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  Speaker 3: helped their corners with the use of the blitzes. And
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: these linebackers, KB brought it up during the pregame show yesterday,
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  Speaker 3: and they went out there and played like that. Our linebackers,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Dan Morgan in one offseason has completely turned
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  Speaker 3: it from a weakness to a strength.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. What about a tip of the hat, Mac,
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  Speaker 2: as I'm clapping with my... Eagle wings? My eagle wings.
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  Speaker 2: You can hear me clapping with my wings.
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  Speaker 3: And we will raise you up on eagle's wings. Anybody
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  Speaker 3: else a Catholic that spent a lot of time in church?
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  Speaker 4: Anybody know a little eagle's wings?
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  Speaker 2: Chuba goes for 120 in a touchdown, 4.3 yards per carry.
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  Speaker 2: But I think all those yards were impactful because of
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  Speaker 2: the way that he ran and how he set the tone. So...
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  Speaker 2: I think stats are great, but I thought Chuba's physical presence,
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  Speaker 2: most like Tremble, was a huge difference in that game yesterday.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: We punked them in the trenches, as we should. Their
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  Speaker 3: offensive line is a skeleton crew. And look what we
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  Speaker 3: did to the run game again. 36 yards rushing. Now,
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  Speaker 3: the problem is, Bone, we're still only down to like
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  Speaker 3: 27th in run defense because the first game giving up 291.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be crawling out of that hole all year. But, Bone,
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  Speaker 3: we gave up less than 50 yards rushing the last
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  Speaker 3: two weeks.
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  Speaker 4: It's just weird. We're stuffing it again.
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  Speaker 3: I understand Phillies down their fourth string back and their
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  Speaker 3: O-line stinks, but that's what you should do. The defense
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  Speaker 3: dominated them, and that's what you should freaking do. I
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  Speaker 3: personally believe their first touchdown dry bone was aided by
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  Speaker 3: some garbage from the refs and the fact that Canales
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  Speaker 3: did not get a challenge in bone on that non-catch.
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  Speaker 3: I think that also was a big play on that drive.
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  Speaker 3: They went so fast to the line of scrimmage. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: teams lollygag. I think they just thought they had more time.
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  Speaker 3: The Eagles went so fast on that. I mean, they
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  Speaker 3: were sprinting to the line.
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  Speaker 2: They did, and it.
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  Speaker 3: Wasn't on our sideline. I think it was on our
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  Speaker 3: sideline because if you see, Pat Jones knew it was
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  Speaker 3: not a catch. He was standing there watching it, and
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  Speaker 3: he's trying to say no catch, but it wasn't our sideline,
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  Speaker 3: so I'm guessing it's harder for him to convey that
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  Speaker 3: to the coaches that quick on the other side, Lee
• 10:01
  Speaker 3: Hunter getting some love from Seth and Concord. That pressure
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  Speaker 3: he had where he just beat the... I mean, just tossed,
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  Speaker 3: went through the offensive lineman and hit the quarterback was tremendous.
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  Speaker 3: It was a team effort on defense, although we do
• 10:15
  Speaker 3: have Ron the Plumber talking about the waste of money
• 10:17
  Speaker 3: Jalen Phillips is. Keep in mind, Jalen Phillips had to
• 10:20
  Speaker 3: leave the game for a while because of the hamstring
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  Speaker 3: injury he was questionable with. Came back in, was involved
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  Speaker 3: on the play, the sack with Merrig. But he is
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  Speaker 3: getting hated on playing injured by Rondo. That's Rondo Plummer's
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  Speaker 3: takeaway today, Bone, is Jalen Phillips is paid.
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  Speaker 2: Too much money. What a kill. You must be fun
• 10:38
  Speaker 2: at parties, Rondo. Rondo Plummer's never got out of work
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  Speaker 2: one day in his life. That crack's been exposed for decades.
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  Speaker 3: Ron, at a party, you must be a killjoy. Everybody's
• 10:49
  Speaker 3: talking about good stuff and you bring up something negative.
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  Speaker 3: Although I will say you would come in handy if
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: someone clogs a toilet at a party. You would definitely
• 10:55
  Speaker 3: come in handy there. By the way, Ron, stick around.
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  Speaker 2: Finney needs your number. Oh, man.
• 11:02
  Speaker 3: What do you think, man? Who are you giving the
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  Speaker 3: love to for the Panthers win? Tremble. We raved about
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  Speaker 3: in hour one some of the blocking he and Evans
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  Speaker 3: did out front of Chuba. It's that physicality in the
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  Speaker 3: running game. They have to figure out a way to
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  Speaker 3: run in the first half. Eight carries for 24 yards
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  Speaker 3: thrown at halftime. But Chuba ends up with 96 yards
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  Speaker 3: in the second half.
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  Speaker 4: This is the trend. They've got to find a way to.
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  Speaker 3: Get the running game going a little bit sooner. Bryce Young,
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  Speaker 3: it's the craziest thing. Bryce threw for 281. Two touchdowns.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest number is no picks. He continues to protect
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  Speaker 3: this football so well. He made a bunch, Boney, of
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  Speaker 3: really nice throws to T-Mac and Coker over the middle
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  Speaker 3: of the field or on the sidelines. He would have
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  Speaker 3: been over. 300, but he lost a big one to
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  Speaker 3: Evans on what looked like it was a screen, but
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  Speaker 3: Bryce saw that, oh, shoot, they're worried about the screen
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  Speaker 3: that we're setting up, and Evans is downfield. That would
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  Speaker 3: have put him over. 300, but that came back on
• 12:05
  Speaker 3: a Robert Hunt– ineligible man downfield i don't understand why
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: two things i didn't understand yesterday why robert hunt keeps
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: getting these penalties it's like he just learned the rule
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  Speaker 3: last week what's going on here and the other thing
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  Speaker 3: is i did not understand we were getting so many
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  Speaker 3: good returns even david morse trot down the sideline bone
• 12:25
  Speaker 3: hn had a great had multiple great returns we could
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  Speaker 3: barely do any of them without any penalties But again,
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  Speaker 3: I guess there's something to be said, Bone. For 149
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  Speaker 3: yards on 13 penalties, you win by 11 on the road.
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  Speaker 3: There's something to be said for that. Mack, they have
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  Speaker 3: three turnovers this year. Bryce has the two INTs.
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  Speaker 2: There are no... Knock on some... some wood over there
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  Speaker 2: but uh there's not been a running back fumble at
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  Speaker 2: all not even not even when they got back and
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  Speaker 2: there's been four fumbles by wideouts they've only lost one
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  Speaker 2: of them that is uh it's not yeah i was
• 12:59
  Speaker 2: thinking yesterday it's not just bryce's turnovers they're not they're
• 13:03
  Speaker 2: protecting the.
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  Speaker 3: Ball overall this year they are man and even the
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  Speaker 3: bryce interceptions we talked about it last week yeah one
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  Speaker 3: of them is at the end of was at the
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  Speaker 3: end of chic was a chicago first half Yes, it was.
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  Speaker 3: Where he's just like, let me see if we can
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  Speaker 3: get in field goal range.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to chuck it. If not, there's only seconds left.
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  Speaker 3: And Cleveland at the end. And Cleveland is the one
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  Speaker 3: who got his arm hit and the ball flew up
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  Speaker 3: in the air. So those aren't even really like legit, terrible,
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  Speaker 3: like mistakenly interceptions.
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  Speaker 2: We have to be near the top of the lead
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  Speaker 2: for fewest turnovers, right? I would guess.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, definitely. I will look that up, Bonesarelli. I can't
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  Speaker 3: really type right now with my wings on. Because eagle's
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: wings don't type well? We have a big meeting today.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to meet sponsors and stuff and hang out
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  Speaker 3: for a while. Are you going to wear that outfit?
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: Remember I wore my pilgrim outfit for one of those
• 13:47
  Speaker 2: things and DJ Stout said, why are you dressed like
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: a pilgrim today? I think I should wear this. Let's
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  Speaker 2: see here.
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  Speaker 3: Somebody is saying what you were saying, Bone, about Chuba,
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  Speaker 3: about him getting better as the game goes on. You
• 14:01
  Speaker 3: guys are both right about it. I do think they
• 14:03
  Speaker 3: have to find a way to balance the offense out
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  Speaker 3: more in the first half, but there is a thing
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  Speaker 3: where they do like kind of riding him home.
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  Speaker 4: For lack of a better phrase, in the second half
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  Speaker 4: of his game.
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  Speaker 2: He's our Uber. Chuba Uber Hubbard.
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  Speaker 4: Uber Hubbard. Chuba Hubbard.
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  Speaker 5: It almost feels like, Mac, in a league where you
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  Speaker 5: run to set up the pass, it feels like the
• 14:27
  Speaker 5: Panthers pass to set up their run game.
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  Speaker 4: Because I was frustrated, too, in the first half, because
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: whenever we ran it, I felt like we were getting
• 14:33
  Speaker 4: good push.
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  Speaker 5: Where we get a bad penalty that would negate a
• 14:38
  Speaker 5: good run. But they had a drive 743 off the clock,
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  Speaker 5: longest drive of the season.
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  Speaker 4: Their ability to wear.
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  Speaker 5: Down opponents, I think, is something that's a part of
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  Speaker 5: their identity and the type of team that they want
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  Speaker 5: to be. You want to be able to run the
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  Speaker 5: ball in the first half, obviously. But if that's going
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  Speaker 5: to be a part of their DNA, home and on
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  Speaker 5: the road, They're.
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  Speaker 4: Going to be a tough team to beat moving forward.
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  Speaker 3: The combination of the deep passing game, Bone, the aggressive
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  Speaker 3: passing game, the RPO game, the boot game, and the run.
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  Speaker 4: They've got different ways to beat you as an offense.
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  Speaker 2: How about this stat that I just looked up here?
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  Speaker 2: In the first half of games this year, Chuba's at
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  Speaker 2: 2.9 yards per carry and a touchdown. The second half
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  Speaker 2: of games... 6.1 yards per carry, three touchdowns.
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  Speaker 4: There it is right there.
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  Speaker 2: He's got 105 in the first half, 321 in the
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  Speaker 2: second half.
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  Speaker 4: That's it right there. They've got to find a way
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  Speaker 4: to balance it.
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  Speaker 3: But to Fitty's point, you run the ball on teams
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: in the second half, wear them down. There's something to
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: be said for that. They are seventh bone in turnovers.
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: This thing actually has them with a fourth turnover somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Do we have a special teams? Yeah, that could be it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe.
• 15:48
  Speaker 4: We had a special.
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: We had a fumble against the Lions, was it not?
• 15:51
  Speaker 4: Special teams?
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  Speaker 2: I think so. Punt touch. The fumble punt, right?
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  Speaker 4: I think it was against the Lions.
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  Speaker 2: First game of the year. Didn't we have a fumble punt?
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: Or Bears.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Was it Bears? Jimmy Horn, right? Jimmy Horn, yeah.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: That's right. Jimmy Horn left the punt, and that was
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: the last time we saw him. That's true. They said,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: you're going to end up in Cleveland, son. That's how
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: serious they take turnovers. Jimmy Horn had one, and he's gone.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: So that's it.
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: Four and five games. That's pretty damn solid. We are
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: getting some of these. A lot of y'all are just
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: naming players. Okereke's getting a lot. Will Lee's getting a lot. Chuba, Tremble.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: We're getting a— I don't want to say a lot.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: I don't want to overdo it.
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: I saw a few of the, we really excited about
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: that win? We're going to have to deal with that
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: energy today, Boney. Like, yes, we are, sir.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: How are you not? You can't have it both ways.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: You can't be the fan base that is paranoid going
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: into a game against a backup quarterback. And then when
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: you win the game by 11, despite 149 yards of penalties,
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: then pull the card where it's like, ah, that's not
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: enough style points for me.
• 16:56
  Speaker 4: You can't play both those games.
• 16:58
  Speaker 5: You only get 17 of these things. You're not guaranteed
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: a win every single time. If nothing else, look at
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: who you beat. You beat the Eagles. You beat Nick Sirianni.
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: I don't give a damn that they're compromised, Mac.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Nor should you.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: If you're not excited, you look like a damn fool today, right? Yeah,
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: you look almost as foolish as Bone does in his costume. Exactly.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Hopefully I'm dressed like a pirate next week.
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: These are people that just wanted to see the team
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: lose so they could flood our text line, flood our
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: phone calls, and bitch and complain.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Let's do this. Get some fresh air.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Let's do this. Don't worry.
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: We've got plenty of time to deal with that whole
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: style points thing and all that. Let's give love to
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Taylor Moten. A lot of people saying that on the
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: text line. Timo, real solid game from him. Not perfect,
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: but real freaking solid. My God, it was great to
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: have him back out there. I'm so happy for him
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: personally that he's back out there.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: We're going to talk to Jim Zoki coming up next. Ben,
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: your writing on the text line wants you to send
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: us out with your version of Cry Eagles Cry.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, me?
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Cry Eagles cry on the way to a defeat.
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: Cry Eagles fly. Oh, I said fly. Cry Rex Ryan
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: likes feet.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: I don't really know what.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: That had to do with anything. It's the only thing
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: I can think of to rhyme with defeat. Yeah, let's
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: just go to break real quick.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Sorry about that. Oh, man, rock and roll it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Panther, Victory Monday, ladies and gentlemen. Mack and Bone Show,
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: we having a good old time today. Panthers to three
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: and two, over 500. Bebop said, when was the last
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: time we were over? We got Jim Zoki here, so
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: I'm going to fact check with Zoki and the Panther
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: Radio Network. He says, man, it must be a long
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: time since we've been over 500. Weren't we over 500 last.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: Year at 4-3? I think so. We can check it out.
• 19:16
  Speaker 5: They were 1-3, then they won 3 straight to get
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: to 4-3. That's then when the win one, lose one.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Byron Goodman said, is this the biggest win of the
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Bryce era? And I had to point out the Rams
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: and Packers games last year. This is a... This is
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: against a name-brand team, but we've also got to keep
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: in mind of who they are. They had the bigger
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: wins last year. Definitely.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: And I believe so fully there are big wins coming
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: this year from this team. I like the way they're
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: coming together. It wasn't perfect, obviously, 149 yards of penalties.
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: but I like is that that's a game I ask
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: in the past the Panthers could probably find a way
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: to mess that up in the past you know what
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: I mean they ended up taking care of business.
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: No and you think of like so what were the
• 20:03
  Speaker 6: 149 yards 149 13 13 Philadelphia by the way had
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: 11 for 84 they helped us a little bit too
• 20:06
  Speaker 6: the referees were like the constant show and I think
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: Dave Kanellis was right like the penalties were pretty much
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: well earned you can't even argue them.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: But some of them had to be like, really?
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: They could not spot the ball. You would see guys
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: fall down, and they'd be like two yards off. They'd
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: look at either their left eye or their right eye
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: when they're marking the ball down on the field. But
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: the thing is, like, beyond those, I was going to
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: say beyond the 149 penalty yards, how much actual, like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: yardage was lost, like, on the three returns, the punt
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: and kick returns? Like, the actual yardage on top of, like,
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: the penalty yardage, like, yeah, how much field position did
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: you actually lose?
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I'd like to know the number because that was a
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: huge setback.
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: I was looking at the, what the hell they call
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: that thing, Bone, you print out? The game, what? Why
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: is it so hard?
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: The stats? The box score. Okay, but they call it
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: something else. The game book.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Game book, there you go.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: So anyway. The football thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: I'm looking at the game book.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: They won starting field position by 10 yards. Our 31,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: theirs was their 21. Imagine what it could have been
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: with those returns.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: No doubt.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Seriously, we won it by 20 yards.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: That bodes well, too, because think how that was also
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: a problem earlier on. And having A-Chan back, he looked
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: very comfortable back there.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: Definitely. And obviously, I mean.
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: To me, I think you've got a couple guys. David
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: Moore had a nice return, another one that was called
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: back by a penalty. So it would be nice to
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: have had that field position. I think the outcome would
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: have been decided earlier and easier had you had those
• 21:21
  Speaker 6: things happen. But it's nice that you can win by
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: 11 and still overcome all those kind of obstacles out there.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You guys are correct. It was a year ago,
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: 4-3 over. 500, October of 2025. So you were exactly
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: spot on there. From your game notes. How– How important
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: is it for a team trying to still establish their
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: winning culture, their identity, to have games like yesterday when
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: there is a lot going against you? To win when
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you're not at your best is actually a sign of
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: really good things to come, right? They didn't do it
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: against Cleveland. They did it yesterday. No, that was, yeah,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that was one of those. Cleveland's weird. They won again yesterday.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how they're winning games. It doesn't
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: seem like a terrible loss right now.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: No, because, and I say that about Cleveland, their defense
• 22:06
  Speaker 6: is really good, and they did a great job, if
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: you remember, like with Denzel Ward shutting down T-Mac.
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: And Coker went out. I think that was a big factor.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: We didn't have him.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Right. Everyone focuses on Deshaun Watts. That's a good defense.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: I think with Philadelphia, that was a really good defense, too,
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: and that's why it made it more difficult to win yesterday.
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: But you can see, even with the Panthers winning, you
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: still have the difficulty, although Will Lee showed strides yesterday,
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: if you don't have J.C. Horn and Mike Jack replacements
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: to that level.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And so it was better.
• 22:33
  Speaker 6: Obviously, we didn't call Evan's name as much yesterday in
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: the game as we did the previous one with the
• 22:38
  Speaker 6: win with Detroit the week before.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Two weeks before.
• 22:41
  Speaker 6: But I think, you know, again, that's still like you
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: can see that's like the thing, like how can we
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: get through these next whatever five games, whatever the number
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: might be, with not having the same level right there.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: And Will Lee is growing up quickly. I think he
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: did some good things.
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: The two early penalties obviously hurt, but maybe better to
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: get those penalties and give up a long touchdown or
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: something like that. So I do like the fact that
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: we're seeing some growth there, but it's all happening on
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: the field while you're still trying to win games.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: What did you think about Chuba in the second half?
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: And Tommy Tremble. I mean, these are two guys. First
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: of all, they're like best buds by all accounts.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: These are Matt Rule era players.
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: They are, man.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Matt Rule players actually sticking around for the turnover.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: Think about what these guys have seen and won't talk
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: about it.
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: And they've lived to tell about it and play well
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: in Philly.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: They both probably feel like they're like 58 years old.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: I remember back when Matt Rule was here. They've been
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: here for a while, and I feel like they're both
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: kind of underrated. Well, and look at what Chuba did yesterday.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: He basically was the entire rushing attack because you had
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: Bryce had to run it three times, but it was
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: only six yards. A-Chan only ran it once for a
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: negative carry. And then we had Mitchell Evans, you know,
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: jump in with the quarterback sneak, if you will.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Mitchell Palooza back.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: It was entirely on Chuba to run the ball yesterday,
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: 28 times, 120 yards. And then Trumbull just is like,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: I've always liked the fact that when you have a
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: tight end that you don't know what his role is
• 24:00
  Speaker 6: going to be on a given play. Like Darren Waller
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: is a terrific player. But when Trumbull's out there and
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: Mitchell Evans to a larger degree, too, is he a blocker?
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: Is he a pass receiver? I think that's what's great
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: about that when they do the 13 personnel where it
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: makes it so difficult to judge for a defense what's
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: going to happen out there because you kind of, you
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: try to, now with Coker healthy, you've got T-Mac, you've
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: got Coker, times where Waller's out there with those other
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: tight ends. Who are you going to cover? And it's
• 24:24
  Speaker 6: going to give Tommy a lot more opportunities. I'm glad
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: to see him get an advantage of that. And he
• 24:28
  Speaker 6: is a good catcher. I mean, he does a good job,
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: I think, in the receiving end. He doesn't really drop many,
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: I don't think, so I think He's a nice weapon
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: to have because we focus so much on the big
• 24:37
  Speaker 6: plays of T-Mac and Coker and so forth. You need
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: those guys to pick up first downs or get in
• 24:42
  Speaker 6: the red zone like that and get a touchdown or two.
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: What did you think of the job that Will Lee
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: did yesterday? And how big is that to have a
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: guy play well without the other guys in there? So
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: it's almost like a blessing in disguise that when Horn
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: and Mike Jack come back, all of a sudden you've
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: got another guy playing at a high level. No doubt.
• 24:57
  Speaker 6: And again, like some early penalties, but then those went
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: away as the game went on. And, you know, we
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: all know certain players are good. Devontae Smith's a good player.
• 25:04
  Speaker 6: When you see him in person and watch him run routes,
• 25:06
  Speaker 6: you go, that guy's really good.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is every bit as good as A.J.
• 25:10
  Speaker 6: Brown was when he was there, is Devontae Smith. So
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: that's a tough assignment that was mostly going to Willie
• 25:15
  Speaker 6: Lee yesterday.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: And he held it in there, I think.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: And you have to be aggressive, and you're going to
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: probably get away with a little hand fighting and things
• 25:21
  Speaker 6: like that.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: And it kind of goes back and forth. So you
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: take your penalties.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: But better that than just playing loose and giving big
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: buffer and letting him have all this room to catch
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: the ball out there. I like that he was aggressive
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: in his approach the way he defended him.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you who else was aggressive is Juro Avera
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: with the blitzes. PFF's in-game kind of stuff. We'll see
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: what their final numbers are. They had it at 57%
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: blitz rate. Okereke and Lloyd, they started going after the
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: quarterback early and often. Okereke on the first play gets
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: a sack. Those guys are really good, and I think
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: that helped our corners on the back end. What did
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: you think about that aspect of things?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: You think of that first sack, it was him and
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: Nick Scott both coming. That's how aggressive it was. They
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: sent through to the same slot, and then, of course,
• 26:05
  Speaker 6: Okereke could have had an interception on the second play
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: of the game, which Really would have set the tone
• 26:10
  Speaker 6: early on with that.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: But I love that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: I think that's what, you know, Joe's always wanted to
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: do with this defense. But when you don't have the personnel,
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: you can't risk giving up the big plays on the
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: back half of the defense there. So, again, especially when
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: they do get J.C. Horn and you get Mike Jack back,
• 26:24
  Speaker 6: you can be even more aggressive, have even more confidence
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: about your success rate in doing that. But that's always
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: been his style. That's what he's always wanted to do there.
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: And how cool is it, too, that we have, you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: Rod and Devin Lloyd, well-known in the offseason, but get
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: Bobby Okereke off the couch at home at the last
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: minute to get a player of that caliber to pair
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: with Devin Lloyd on the inside just makes that whole
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: defense feel different.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: And Dodson as a backup ain't chopped liver either.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: At 120-plus tackles last year, they got him, too, in reserve.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That is linebacker room, home makeover edition, Bob. They completely
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: redid that.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: In a flash.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: So any reason why Rob Hunt keeps wandering downfield, he's
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: like my great-uncle Augie at Thanksgiving back in the day
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: when he'd wander outside and we'd have to get him
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: back inside the house. I think the bigger issue is
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: he was raising his right hand as if he was open, like,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I'm open.
• 27:13
  Speaker 6: And then he realized that's not his role in the offense.
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: He's not allowed to do that. So it is.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: He's had a couple this year in different situations. That's
• 27:19
  Speaker 6: not the first time, even those two in this game.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So it's interesting.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: He had one against Detroit, too.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We got a runner. We got a runner.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: But he's walking off. But in that mode, though, how great.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: And just hearing the joy in his voice as we
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: talked to him in the postgame was Taylor Moten having
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: him back. I mean, a guy that didn't know, first
• 27:36
  Speaker 6: of all, what his health situation was going to be, period,
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: let alone football situation, just like in life, what his
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: health situation was going to be back. And then defensively
• 27:43
  Speaker 6: to get Turk Wharton back for the first time as well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: Turk had a play you probably saw work. He had, like,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: two offensive linemen on him, and he literally shoved them
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: off to the side, to the right, and then went
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: to the left to make the stop.
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a good play.
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: These guys matter, and they're like, you know, these are
• 27:56
  Speaker 6: veteran guys that are, again, just going to help you
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: be better on those interior positions and just free up
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: other guys, like Okereke, like Devin Lloyd, to make big
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: plays on defense. And then offensively, having stability there, you know,
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: Monroe Freeling not healthy right now, but you can see, again,
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: like Willie, he's learning and growing and making mistakes, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 6: you're kind of living with those. I was shocked at
• 28:15
  Speaker 6: Morton's ability to come out there with, I would have
• 28:19
  Speaker 6: to say, you know, not playing football all this time.
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: He didn't have training camp to come in and be
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: able to play the amount of football that he played.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: He did. And he was real solid too.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Like, I mean, I think PFF had him like with
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: two pressures.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I didn't really notice them.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: It was, you know, you would, you would have just
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: thought it was a regular Taylor Moten football game.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: That's a, that's a huge relief to get him back
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: out there. So, And then when Monroe is healthy, I'll
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: obviously give you some depth as maybe a swing tackle,
• 28:43
  Speaker 6: something like that. So I think, you know, things, hopefully,
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: I feel like, you know, I know Philadelphia is banged
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: up and they've got probably the worst situation in the
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: league as far as injuries go. But people forget from
• 28:52
  Speaker 6: day one of training camp, that was the Panthers. And
• 28:55
  Speaker 6: for them to be 3-2 in overcoming the number of
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: injuries they've had is terrific.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and so close to 4-1, too. That Browns game,
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: it came down to a penalty another day. We lead
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: the NFL in penalties if we don't commit that one
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: where we hit Watson up high.
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: Side note, I'm watching last night. I'm watching the Cowboys-Packers game.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: It was both sides.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: Can we dial down what the rule is for— you know,
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: hitting the quarterback. I just feel like it's just like,
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: it's not football. It's just so much. And going back
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: to the Deshaun Watson play that you're referring to, I
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: just see it so much where it just takes so much.
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: I mean, if it's not something that's actually hurting the quarterback,
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: if you're tapping someone's helmet, like you're just touching the
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: quarterback too late, if you're not landing, I get the
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: whole landing of the entire body on there or whatever.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: on top of the quarterback and the weight. But there
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: are so many plays where you're just going, it's so ticky-tacky.
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: They've got to somehow dial it back to where football
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: still looks like football.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: And Bryce gets these, too, Bob. Bryce had one yesterday, too.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: The tap to the face mask or the tap to
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the side of the helmet.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: There should be a certain amount of aggression that should
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: be a part of that. It shouldn't be a tickle.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: I know I'm putting— We have 15 yards for tickling.
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: It's like the kids in the backseat of the car.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: He's touching me. Stop.
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: It's the new tickle me QB doll. You know what
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: I mean? It's crazy.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It should be.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Could you put a judgment call in there where it's
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: forcible contact to the head?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Then you call it, but in your, you know what
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I mean?
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: I know we're giving them more responsibility, but it seems
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: like some of these little grazing should not be.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: It's gone too far. Deshaun Watson was a great example
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: of that. You know the.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Penalty I hated yesterday? First of all, Will Lee, I thought, granted,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: he tried to pants a man on live TV.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: But I thought that's defensive hold, right?
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: The ball wasn't thrown yet.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Isn't that defensive hold? That was about as egregious of
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: a hold as you could have, yes. But not P.I., though.
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: But the one that killed me was. That was public embarrassment.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Public pantsing.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Illegal use of cheeks.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: No, the Tommy Tremble.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Just a really quick point at Cooper DeGene after he
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: scores a touchdown, and that's a penalty. These are grown men.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: Are there little feelings getting heard out there? He pointed
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: at him for one second. And he said it was
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: for the previous suplex that happened. He did, and that's
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: why he did it. He said, I shouldn't do it.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: To be taunting is like you're standing over a player.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: It's got to be more of a deal.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Than that. At least hit him with the football or
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: something after you score, like something more. I get it.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I get it with the football. I'm like, come on, man.
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: Do we need to do that?
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: Like in peewee football, I get it if you want
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: to tell a kid, hey, don't point to him like that.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: These are grown dudes.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Are we really ruining the world if Tommy Tremble for
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: a second points.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: To Cooper DeGene? Children are watching. How do you explain that?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: How do you explain to someone young that this guy
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: here pointed at somebody?
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: Daddy Raj has to raise everybody's.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Kids, apparently. It is.
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: It's like there's an energy that goes away, like a
• 31:40
  Speaker 6: home or away in a stadium where there's a big
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: play made and here come the penalty flags. And I
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: get they have to call the way the rules are written, but.
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: I think it's time to kind of look back at
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: putting it somewhere between where it is and where it
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: used to be with some of these rules.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: I'm watching the play right now where Idzik had Coker
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: in the backfield, one-on-one with the linebacker. Beautiful, dude. And
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: the time of that play, too, 13-7. You're backed up
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: third and eight, and you pull that one out there. Beautiful. Man, oh, man.
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: And watch Bryce move to give him more time to
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: put that little shake on Zach Bond. Bryce buys a
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: little bit of time, then hits him.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: It was beautiful.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Idzik was in his bag. I talked about it earlier
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: this hour. There's about five, six plays where I'm like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Both touchdowns to Tremble felt schemey.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: He's scaring me because I feel like, can we lock
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: him up to the longest offensive coordinator contract? Because he's
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: right in that mode of what teams are looking for.
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: These young, aggressive play callers. You see the improvement. We're
• 32:30
  Speaker 6: talking about Bryce Young being an MVP. Obviously, that's going
• 32:33
  Speaker 6: to get attention everywhere. So good for him, whatever ends
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: up happening with him. He deserves it, but he's right
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: in that mode of what today's NFL teams are looking
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: for as far as that next Ben Johnson, guys like that.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I'm kind of hoping we can squeeze an extra year
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: out of.
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: Him. I'd like to get kind of two out of
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: him if possible.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I know I'm assuming that his offense keeps bowling for
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: the next couple of years, but I also do want
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: to remind everybody, when you're actually good, this is what happens.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I know it's been so long for us. But when
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you're actually good, they want your coaches.
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? It's a weird thing.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: It's a great compliment. It's a great compliment.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: It is.
• 33:08
  Speaker 6: And obviously with Canales, I mean, they're pretty much in lockstep.
• 33:10
  Speaker 6: So whatever the offense is, it's going to still have
• 33:13
  Speaker 6: that same kind of feel to it, whatever it is.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: I think they might promote from within. Like a, what's
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: my man's name? Hariger's one, the QB coach. What's my
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: other man's name? The one they retained by giving him
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: a promotion?
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Blutarski?
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Not Blutarski.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: What the hell? I don't think there's a guy named Blutarski.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: That was from Animal House, I believe. It definitely was.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Mike Bercovici is his name. ECU Memphis Thursday.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: Night, right?
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 33:37
  Speaker 6: This conference, real quick, is ECU devastating loss. They had
• 33:40
  Speaker 6: the lead until they didn't in the last minute. They
• 33:42
  Speaker 6: lose in overtime on the road at UAB. Memphis loses
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: by two touchdowns to Tulane. And the Charlotte 49ers, as
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: you know, in that same field where the Panthers won.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: win over Temple, get their first win of the year.
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: Memphis and Charlotte were the top and bottom, and both
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: did the exact opposite. So a lot of parity within
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: the American Conference.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week, man. Appreciate it. When
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: we come back, it's an Ask the Audience question, courtesy
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: of QC Mechanical, your local HVAC experts. It was probably
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: Bryce's worst stat day, but the numbers still look good,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: and he continues to set records. What do we think
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: of Bryce on this Panther Monday? Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: Guitar solo.
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Look, I've been a Bryce Young critic in the past.
• 34:49
  Speaker 7: I'm not going to hide from that. But he's making
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: people like me eat my words. And I think he's
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: playing really good football right now.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: He's confident.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: He's making the throws when he needs to.
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: He hits the open guy.
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: He goes through his progressions. And Bryce, sure he had
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: a couple passes, you know, knocked down at the line
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: of scrimmage today. But that's going to happen when you
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: have a 5'11 quarterback. The bottom line is he's playing
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: really good football. And I'm going to give him all
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: the credit. And dare I say it, he's in the MVP.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Yes! I'm sorry.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry. You just scared the whole world on that one.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Good, good, because you literally took the words right off
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: of my paper. Bryce Young needs to be in the
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: MVP conversation.
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: There you go. Got to be honest, I'm not sure
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: who that CBS employee is there at the end.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Was that Justin Simmons? He's on there quite a bit.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: Former DB. I believe it might be.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Maybe it's him.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: But your first guy there was Pete Prisco, one of
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: the most annoying curmudgeons when it came to Bryce Young
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: for the first three years of his career. And he says,
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: I'm eating my words and Bryce is feeding them to me.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: And he's an MVP candidate. And that's beautiful.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: And maybe one day some of y'all knuckleheads on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: text line can follow his lead. Maybe it can happen
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: for you, too. But we got to talk about Bryce's game.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of y'all are summing it
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: up well. Bryce goes out there, a lot of incompletions, right?
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: 20 of 39.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: A lot of them were throwaways again where he didn't
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: have anything. And I thought, unlike the Cleveland game, Bone,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: where he threw the ball away a lot and had
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: a lot of incompletions because of the pressure. This one
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: I didn't feel like was pressure as much. I feel
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: like they were doing a good job cuffering downfield a
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: lot where Bryce just didn't have anything. And then just
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: kind of either hits the escape hatch and throws it
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: away or just kind of, and they credited him on
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: PFF with six throwaways. I bet it's even more like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think, I think there's some where Bryce puts
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: it like, unlike his grounding, puts it in the area
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: and it almost makes it look like he missed the throw.
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: but he knows it's covered and he's just not going
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: to make a mistake. It goes back to the fact
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: that he only has two turnovers this season. But he
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: ended up with two touchdowns, bone to Tommy Tremble, ended
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: up with 281 yards. There were still a fair amount
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: of really good throws. I think he hit five in
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: the intermediate and two deep where he was hitting Coker
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: or TMAC over the middle or on the sidelines. I
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: think the texters that are sending a text in, and
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: there's a bunch of you that are saying, if this
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: is now Bryce's quote-unquote bad game, that is a major sign.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I think Barron said it, a major sign of progression
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: for Bryce.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: First of all, it's a great thing that a— The
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: only man in America, Mac, that is actually a foot
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: shorter than Bryce Young, give him credit there. That's from
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: the 4'9, Pete Briscoe. As a texter, Icy Veins, points out,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: what a great sign it is for what the ceiling
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: is now for Bryce when 281 and a couple touchdowns
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: and no turnovers, it's kind of, yeah, he was all right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: It was an all right performance by Bryce. Not his best.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: 100%.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That shows you how much he's raised in the bar.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: If he had that in the past, we'd say, oh
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: my God, what an unbelievable performance by Bryce. Now those
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: numbers are kind of like, yeah, he was all right.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: He had moments. That's a good sign for how good
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: he's been other games. Y'all are so right on that.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: It's a great way of saying it.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: And I looked at like, we finished up the segment
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: with Zoki and it occurred to me, We didn't ask
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: him about Bryce. He threw for 281, two touchdowns, no picks.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: And it's just, I think that's the point. It's like, Hey,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: that was, you did a bunch of good stuff. You
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: struggled a bit at times. Philly's defense, give them a
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: little bit of credit, but you know what? Like if
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: that's your worst game out of the five, you had
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: a 91 quarterback rating. It's like, dude, we.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: Going to be fine.
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: Um, and I love these still, you got the ball
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: to T Mac and Coker each six times. I think
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: T Mac had 86 Coker had 97. It's so, it's
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: so good to have both those guys together. Um, I
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: don't think it was his most accurate day downfield either.
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: I think he was two or five on the deep balls,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: but again, man, um, this dude is doing things. No
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: quarterback has done here. Uh, some of the numbers bone, um,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: Panther records, um, No one's ever thrown 11 touchdown passes
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: in the first five games as a Panther. No one
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: has thrown for even 225 and a touchdown in every
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: game for the first five games as a Panther. Bryce
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: has thrown for 280 or more in every game and
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: a touchdown through five games. You have to go back
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: to the 2013 season when Peyton Manning and Drew Brees
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: did it to find someone who has done that.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: That's insane. Oh, those scrubs. Oh, we got to mention
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Bryce with those guys?
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: That's embarrassing. That's insane, man, when you think about it.
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: And we've mentioned he's got two turnovers and they both,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: one was... and up for grabs ball when one was
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: the one against Cleveland. And those silly fumbles, Matt, that
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: he often had his first few years when he would
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: just drop the ball or he'd get pressured and the
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: ball would magically come out of his hands somehow. Those
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: seem like, for the most part, that those aren't happening
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: either right now. No, he's protecting the ball in so
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: many different ways. He's so comfortable and alert of all
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: that's around him. He's not looking back for the rush anymore.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: He's looking downfield to make plays. I think before he
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: was looking around him. He just feels it. And Ross
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: Tucker said it, the subtle, what did Ross call him, nifty?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: The subtle movement in the pocket. You saw it on
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: the Coker one. Let me buy myself a little bit
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: of time here.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: Boom.
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: I'm releasing it. Um, this subtle movement.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: I feel pressure here. Let me slide in.
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: And you see that even in a game where it's like, man,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: that wasn't, you know, that wasn't his best performance this
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: year may have been his worst. It's just, he's growing.
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: He's evolving. The talent around him has gotten better. Brett
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Idzik is making everybody better. I mean, man, it's fun
• 40:37
  Speaker 3: to watch.
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: It really is.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: And again, that was one where the offense kept killing themselves.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Seven of our 13 penalties, Bone, were offensive. And I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: would also throw the three return penalties in to hurting
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the offense. So there were 10 penalties, Bone, that hurt
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: the offense's cause.
• 40:54
  Speaker 4: There would have been more points on the board.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: A lot of people are pointing out, They could have
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: put up 32 if they wanted to. They're down there
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: at the two-yard line, and they do the right thing,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: the classy thing, and kneel it out. There could have
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: been more points there. So, man, it feels so good.
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: And I have asked Bob. Cut to the chase. I've
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: told Bebop a simple... Because he's on there blabbing about
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: when's the Bryce statue reveal.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I was going to ban him from Mentions Mac until
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: he just says Bryce is the guy. That's all he's
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: got to say. Here's what I asked for. He's on
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: there doing his comedy routine. When's the statue reveal?
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: Uh, he's going to name me when he has an
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: MVP speech, he's going to name me as a motivating factor. Um, uh,
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: he definitely doesn't care about, I mean, ain't many people
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: care about you, but he definitely doesn't. Um, so I
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: just said a simple, I'm wrong would do wonders. And
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: he responded with sounds like something my wife would text me.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: And I just would like to pray for Mrs. Bob
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: right now. Cause I'm pretty sure she's never gotten it.
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how you stay married without saying
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: I'm wrong. I average I'm wrong 5.7 times a day.
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Have we actually seen his wife before? Or is this
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: like Cheers with Norm? You're saying she doesn't exist? Just
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: throwing it out there. All I want is Bob to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: say I was wrong or Bryce is the guy and
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: we move on. And then we move on with our lives, Bobby.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: You don't say it, Bob. You're banned for now. You're
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: banned for mentions. When we come back, it's college football
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: talk here in the Mac and Bone Show looking for
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: pumped or pissed fans. That's UNC, Charlotte and Wake on
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: the happy side, Duke on the negative side. And was
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: anyone else on either side of the top 10 chaos?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.