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MASSIVE Updates Before HUGE Games | Texas vs Ole Miss | LSU vs Auburn | College Football Playoff · College Football Addiction: A Show About All Things College Football

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  Speaker 1: All right. Welcome back to the complete matchup guide. TJ Pittenger,
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  Speaker 1: Graham coffee with you guys. We are presented by prize picks.
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  Speaker 1: Talk more about them later, but Graham, let's jump into
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  Speaker 1: this first up this week, an absolute must win game
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  Speaker 1: for Texas. They are Owen two in their last two,
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  Speaker 1: both those teams unranked, and they will take on an
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  Speaker 1: Ole miss team that is ranked in the top 10.
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  Speaker 1: Although I don't really know what that means in college
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  Speaker 1: football anymore, but just an absolute must win game. For
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  Speaker 1: the Longhorns and a big one for the Rebels, too,
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  Speaker 1: who have Georgia later, who have some tough games. Like,
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  Speaker 1: this is a big one for both sides, but certainly
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  Speaker 1: you'd have to think it's bigger for Texas.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, everything is bigger in Texas, TJ.
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  Speaker 1: If I had a rim shot, I'd hit it right now.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the alley-oop, man. Coming out hot. Let's go.
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  Speaker 3: I do think that this game is more important for
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  Speaker 3: Texas in the sense of, like, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 3: a 0% chance of SART.
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  Speaker 2: Getting fired if he loses this game.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think there's a, there's, there's a greater than
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  Speaker 3: 0% chance that the Texas might just pull the plug
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  Speaker 3: on the whole operation. If this went the wrong way,
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  Speaker 3: I do also think that Texas is probably the most
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  Speaker 3: likely nine and three team that could make the playoff
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  Speaker 3: because of that Ohio state win. But this is an
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  Speaker 3: important game. You, you lose three games in a row
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  Speaker 3: with all that's invested in this roster and it's going
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  Speaker 3: to get very ugly. And, To your point, I mean,
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  Speaker 3: it does feel very large for Ole Miss as well.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to call it a playoff eliminator game
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  Speaker 3: because both these teams are talented enough to go win
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  Speaker 3: the rest of them, even if they do lose this game.
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  Speaker 3: But it does kind of have that feeling a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited for it.
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  Speaker 1: We have seen Arch struggle. We have seen play calling
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  Speaker 1: seem like it's not all the way there. The one
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  Speaker 1: thing you felt like you could count on was Texas' defense.
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  Speaker 1: And again, I know week to week in the SEC
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  Speaker 1: and really in college football, teams are very up and down.
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  Speaker 1: But the one thing you thought you could count on
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  Speaker 1: was their defense. And Florida certainly did enough on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: to go get the win. Now, if Texas' offense would
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  Speaker 1: have kept going, maybe that wouldn't have been enough. But
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  Speaker 1: they didn't, unfortunately, for them. And I wonder... Again, the
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  Speaker 1: matchup with Trinidad in this defense, sans Colin Simmons, right,
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty big indicator. Jaden Baugh nearly hit 100 yards. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: as a team, they went over. That's something that Texas
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  Speaker 1: had not been allowing teams to do. They completely shut
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  Speaker 1: down Deshaun Bishop in Neyland. They had been good against
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  Speaker 1: the run. I'm interested to see what Ole Miss' running
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  Speaker 1: game looks like and certainly what Trinidad looks like against
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  Speaker 1: this secondary.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think Texas' defense has been
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  Speaker 3: really good. Like, I think that it's unreasonable. When Will
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  Speaker 3: Muschamp signed up for this job, I would imagine that
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  Speaker 3: the pitch and the conversation and the thought in his
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  Speaker 3: head was, you know, if I can produce a very
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  Speaker 3: good to great defense, I'm going to be opposite of
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  Speaker 3: a very good to great offense and we'll complement each
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  Speaker 3: other well. And right now it feels like if Texas'
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  Speaker 3: defense gives up, 20 points in a game, then they're
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  Speaker 3: going to lose. And that's a lot more pressure than
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  Speaker 3: I think any of us expected Texas defense to have.
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  Speaker 3: I look at the, the matchup, you know, where's the
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  Speaker 3: bash rush come from without Colin Simmons, right? Like who,
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  Speaker 3: who steps up for Texas? Is it justice Terry? And
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  Speaker 3: some of these guys that have the pedigree from a
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  Speaker 3: recruiting standpoint, are you going to see perhaps maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 3: them get, some more pressure from the linebacker position, the
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  Speaker 3: inside linebacker position, but Kanu is, is solid in the
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  Speaker 3: interior in terms of like doing the grunt work and
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  Speaker 3: occupying double teams, but that's not enough in my opinion
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  Speaker 3: in this game. And I think if you're Texas, you
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  Speaker 3: gotta be a little bit concerned, not just to come
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  Speaker 3: into this game without Colin Simmons, but to come into
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  Speaker 3: this game without Colin Simmons, considering how well Ole Miss played,
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  Speaker 3: against a Missouri team that does have good edge rushers
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  Speaker 3: and had gotten pressure against a lot of teams and
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  Speaker 3: really struggled to disrupt Ole Miss at all.
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  Speaker 1: On the Ole Miss side, I tell you, I called
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  Speaker 1: some road upsets last week and Calandria let me down,
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  Speaker 1: but Austin Simmons in Missouri really let me down too. Um, I,
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  Speaker 1: I did get the, uh, I did get the road upset.
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  Speaker 1: I did not pick Auburn. Um, but I, I did pick, uh, man,
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  Speaker 1: what was the other, there was another road upset that
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  Speaker 1: I really, Oh, Kentucky. I liked Kentucky a lot. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and so they, they found a way material found a
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  Speaker 1: way to give them that game. So Ole Miss, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you the, we've seen the circle of suck
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  Speaker 1: in the sec where everybody beats everybody. It's up to
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  Speaker 1: 11 congruent teams now. Um, but the whole miss was
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  Speaker 1: incredibly impressive. Shutting down Missouri's running game, limiting their head
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  Speaker 1: rushers that you talked about. Um, They were really impressive.
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  Speaker 1: Were they the most? I mean, what Florida did on
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  Speaker 1: the road at Texas, what Auburn did was impressive. Tennessee's
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  Speaker 1: defense looked really good from start to finish, man. I
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  Speaker 1: thought Ole Miss might have been the most impressive team
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  Speaker 1: in the SEC this weekend.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think you could make the argument they
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  Speaker 3: might have been the most impressive team in college football
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  Speaker 3: last weekend on certain respects.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what they got from a pass rush standpoint– I.
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  Speaker 3: Like what they're doing pass rush-wise. You look at that
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  Speaker 3: game against Missouri. They didn't have an overwhelming amount of pressures.
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  Speaker 3: It's not like they had 30 pressures or anything like that,
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  Speaker 3: but they got pressure from nine different players on their defense.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're doing that, I think it makes it
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  Speaker 3: really hard for an offense to know, hey, if we
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  Speaker 3: chip this guy with a tight end or a running back,
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  Speaker 3: then we're going to have time to throw. And you
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  Speaker 3: saw Missouri, I think, really sort of break down Simmons
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  Speaker 3: had some high-volume plays, 339 yards, but it took 44
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  Speaker 3: pass attempts to get there and no touchdowns. Obviously, they
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  Speaker 3: only scored three points. If you're telling me Ole Miss
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  Speaker 3: is going to find these types of defensive performances where
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  Speaker 3: they can give up a bunch of yards but not break,
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  Speaker 3: then this is a team that I would say not
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  Speaker 3: just can make the college football playoff, but probably go
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  Speaker 3: win games in the college football playoff.
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  Speaker 2: I think they're very, very well equipped. And you could also,
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  Speaker 2: I think, make a bit of an.
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  Speaker 3: Argument of like, well, this is probably what Ole Miss
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  Speaker 3: maybe was going to be. You had Lacey get hurt.
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  Speaker 3: They were able to win that LSU game with very
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  Speaker 3: little from him. They were able to beat Louisville with
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  Speaker 3: him out in the second half. Now you have him back.
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  Speaker 3: There is an ability, I think, for this offense now
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  Speaker 3: to have a little bit of like ball control and possession.
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  Speaker 3: And you saw that show up in that game. uh,
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  Speaker 3: against Missouri, in my opinion, like the way that he
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  Speaker 3: was able to sort of pace them. And then also
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  Speaker 3: Frazier is playing great for those guys. I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: had five missed tackles force last week, a hundred and
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  Speaker 3: one yards on 15 carries. Like, like they look like
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  Speaker 3: they've got a one, two duo and that maybe sort
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  Speaker 3: of be the, the blessing in disguise of, of Lacey
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  Speaker 3: being out earlier in the season. Was it to give
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  Speaker 3: an opportunity for someone else to emerge? I.
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  Speaker 1: I, again, the, the week was so chaotic across the
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  Speaker 1: sport and in the conference that somebody asked me earlier
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  Speaker 1: this week, who I trust the most in the sec
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  Speaker 1: right now. And I said, well, I just think the
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  Speaker 1: answer is Georgia still, despite the Auburn loss, but it
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  Speaker 1: might be Ole Miss. Like it's one of the, I
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  Speaker 1: get like based on the, the, the recent performance that
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  Speaker 1: we just saw, it might be Ole Miss. Now Ole
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  Speaker 1: Miss can go on the road to Texas and lose
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  Speaker 1: by 28 because that's the way the sec works. And
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  Speaker 1: I certainly don't think they will, but that's the way
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  Speaker 1: the conference works. And then I'll change my answer to
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  Speaker 1: somebody else. But I really do have high regards for
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss. Like maybe they've just avoided that wheel of
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  Speaker 1: death that the SEC is putting out to a different
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  Speaker 1: team every week. They got it early with Florida and
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  Speaker 1: maybe they avoid it for the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a team that I have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of faith in. What are your thoughts on this game
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  Speaker 1: when it comes to man, a struggling arch, an offense
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  Speaker 1: that seems to be rolling but certainly has to play
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  Speaker 1: a different kind of defense this week for Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 1: Just what about Sark, you know, outside of maybe just
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  Speaker 1: how snappy he is and some press conference stuff? What
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on the actual matchup that'll take place?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I look at these two teams.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the Ole Miss offense versus the Texas
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  Speaker 3: defense is just, that's really good. must-see TV kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: That's the type of things that people like you and I,
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  Speaker 3: you know, think about in March and April and May
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  Speaker 3: when college football season feels far away.
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  Speaker 1: When we're pretending to like basketball. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 3: But you look at Ole Miss' offense, they're not as
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  Speaker 3: explosive as they were last year in a lot of ways, right?
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  Speaker 2: Like, they've been more methodical.
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  Speaker 3: My concern for them in this game a little bit
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  Speaker 3: is that they have been a team that's lived in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of third and long situations. Their average third
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  Speaker 3: down distance is seven yards, which is 69th in FBS.
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  Speaker 3: And Texas has been a team that's been really good
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  Speaker 3: at forcing third and long situations. They're 13th in average
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  Speaker 3: third down distance face as a defense. So this game
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  Speaker 3: probably comes down to third and longs. which is not
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  Speaker 3: really where you want to live if you're Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 3: I trust Texas probably to still be able to, like,
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  Speaker 3: manage the Ole Miss run game. I'm not saying they're
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  Speaker 3: going to stuff them or anything like that, but you
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  Speaker 3: look at sort of the stuff percentages of the Texas
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  Speaker 3: run defense, it's been pretty high. Ole Miss, you know,
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  Speaker 3: not bad, not great, but I think that this probably
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  Speaker 3: comes down to Trinidad trying to make plays.
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  Speaker 2: In third and long and sort of, you know, can
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  Speaker 2: they string enough of those together to have some longer drives?
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  Speaker 3: And can the run game not pop off on, you know,
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  Speaker 3: at seven yards a carry or anything like that, but just, like,
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  Speaker 3: get them to second and seven? And if they can
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  Speaker 3: do that, then I think you really probably have to
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  Speaker 3: kind of favor Ole Miss' offense in this game a
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  Speaker 3: little bit because– of the experience Trinidad, but, but really
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  Speaker 3: that Colin Simmons injury does loom very large. So I
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  Speaker 3: like Ole Miss's offense's ability to probably score into the
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  Speaker 3: mid to high twenties in this football game. And then
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  Speaker 3: I like Texas's, I mean like the Texas offense, man,
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  Speaker 3: you know, these radar charts and things that I look at,
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  Speaker 3: like their radar chart is, it's very small right now.
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  Speaker 2: It is very small.
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  Speaker 3: Like they don't, if I'm, if I'm trying to sit
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  Speaker 3: here and say, what do they do?
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  Speaker 2: Well, they hit a big pass play or two a game. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And that's about it. And they have done a decent
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  Speaker 3: job actually of like cashing in. They don't create a
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  Speaker 3: lot of scoring opportunities in terms of trips inside the
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  Speaker 3: opponent 40, but they've done a pretty okay job of
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  Speaker 3: like when they do.
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  Speaker 2: Getting some points out of those.
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  Speaker 3: But man, I mean, if Texas can't run the football
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  Speaker 3: in this game, I think they're in a world of
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  Speaker 3: trouble because I look at what Ole Miss just did
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  Speaker 3: to a Missouri run game that, has not lit the
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  Speaker 3: world on fire, but like, hasn't been bad.
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  Speaker 2: And they held them to 2.1 yards. I carry on
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  Speaker 2: 24 attempts.
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  Speaker 3: I know that they kind of game scripted the run
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  Speaker 3: out of things for Missouri, but like, do I trust
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  Speaker 3: Sark who has abandoned the run his entire career as
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  Speaker 3: an offensive play caller, when down by two plus possessions,
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  Speaker 3: except for that Ohio state game, really, he did a
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  Speaker 3: good job of sticking on the run in that game.
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  Speaker 2: Do I trust him? If, Texas gets down to keep
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  Speaker 2: going to the well on a run game that really
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  Speaker 2: is not produced much lately. I'm not sure that I do.
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  Speaker 3: And yet, despite all of that, I just kind of
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  Speaker 3: just sort of have a vibe a little bit that
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  Speaker 3: Texas is going to like pull together and maybe have
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  Speaker 3: a bit of a foxhole mentality in this game and, and,
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  Speaker 3: and come out and do what they need to do
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  Speaker 3: because there's just maybe too much talent and too much
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  Speaker 3: invested in this for them to not rally together. and
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  Speaker 3: keep this season alive a little bit longer.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's just a complete vibes play for me. And again, the,
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  Speaker 1: some historical and I mean, very recent historical, like just
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  Speaker 1: watching the sec, watching college football, some of that, um,
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  Speaker 1: is part of the vibes. I mean, you talked about,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we, we talked about like where teams are
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  Speaker 1: right now. You look at Nebraska, you know, and Oregon.
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  Speaker 1: Oregon can't get out of their own way and has, what,
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  Speaker 1: six turnovers against UCLA? And then their defense plays out
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  Speaker 1: of their mind. Nebraska's defense played really well. Obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of the way it's written in the stars, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the kid beats his... his old team in, in Rayola.
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  Speaker 1: But Nebraska held right there with Indiana. And we were thinking, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: maybe India is a little overrated. They were right there.
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  Speaker 1: They were being, they were a foot out of bounds
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  Speaker 1: away from being that right there with Ohio state. And
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  Speaker 1: of course we, you know, I, I picked Nebraska on
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  Speaker 1: the road. They, they, they let me down Notre Dame,
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  Speaker 1: you know, played one of their best games against Stanford.
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  Speaker 1: And you're thinking like, okay, they're rolling now. BYU is
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  Speaker 1: barely scraping by big 12 teams and then BYU went.
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  Speaker 1: So If you just look at how the two teams
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  Speaker 1: are playing the easy pick here is Ole miss, but
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  Speaker 1: I just, I, nothing easy has happened in this sport
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  Speaker 1: this year, right? From Florida state, Miami to Texas, Florida,
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  Speaker 1: to Auburn, Georgia, to Alabama, Tennessee, just, you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's why Vegas house, South Carolina is a favorite.
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  Speaker 1: And we talked about that just briefly over texts. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like, nobody can string it together. It feels like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, certainly teams have and done a
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  Speaker 1: better job than others, Yeah, logic would tell you that
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  Speaker 1: Ole Miss is playing better. And they might even have
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  Speaker 1: some matchup advantages if Arch doesn't kind of play better
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  Speaker 1: than he's played for most of this year outside of
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  Speaker 1: that fourth quarter against Ohio State. But all that said,
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  Speaker 1: I'll take Texas minus three, three and a half.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's just like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think Ole Miss is better. So Ole Miss fans
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  Speaker 1: will say, oh, you don't believe. No, I think you're better.
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  Speaker 1: I just think the SEC is dumb right now. I
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  Speaker 1: think the sport is dumb right now. And things that
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  Speaker 1: don't make sense continue to happen week after week. And
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  Speaker 1: so if I'm falling into the Texas three and a
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  Speaker 1: half trap, then I'm falling into the Texas three and
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  Speaker 1: a half trap. Like that's what it is. And congrats
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  Speaker 1: to Ole Miss. I enjoy, I will enjoy the fireworks
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  Speaker 1: after on the Twitter timeline. If, if Texas drops it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I'll, and I'll, Hey, like I've been, I've
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  Speaker 3: been calling target hypocrite for many years.
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  Speaker 2: Like, don't get me wrong.
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  Speaker 3: If, if this goes South for them, then it will
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  Speaker 3: fit some things that I said a long time ago,
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  Speaker 3: but I just kind of, I do think some of
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  Speaker 3: these games that we've seen this year where like, like
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  Speaker 3: the first one in my head was when Ole Miss
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  Speaker 3: went to Florida and everybody's like, well, Ole Miss is
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  Speaker 3: going to obviously beat Florida, but Florida was favored.
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  Speaker 2: In that game. And I was like, this stinks, man.
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  Speaker 1: This stinks.
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  Speaker 3: And this spread stinks as well. I just, I do
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  Speaker 3: think this could be kind of a shootout-y game, actually. Like,
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  Speaker 3: I could see that happening, I think, We've seen Ole Miss,
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  Speaker 3: when they face teams with a certain level of competency
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  Speaker 3: on offense, then, like, the whole thing kind of breaks
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  Speaker 3: the other way than it did against Missouri. So, I'll
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  Speaker 3: go Texas, but I could also see this game being
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  Speaker 3: one that, like, Texas looks like it's going to win,
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  Speaker 3: and then there's the crippling Arch Manning turnover with four
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  Speaker 3: minutes left in the fourth quarter that sets up the Trinidad, like,
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  Speaker 3: go ahead, touchdown drive. And, and then after the game,
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  Speaker 3: we think about, Oh, it's going to be wild with
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  Speaker 3: arch transfers to this team that just like ended the
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  Speaker 3: whole regime of this era in a couple of months,
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  Speaker 3: but we'll.
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  Speaker 2: Leave that for later.
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  Speaker 1: I'll take the over on 53 and a half to
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  Speaker 1: an extra play. I'm with you. I think it's shootouty.
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  Speaker 1: I think, you know, I like Texas's defense, but I also,
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  Speaker 1: trust trinidad a lot and think they're playing well so
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  Speaker 1: 53 and a half you're talking what 26 a team
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  Speaker 1: 26 27 27 28 like you only have to get
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  Speaker 1: in the 30s for this.
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  Speaker 2: One 28 26 get you there.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah i like it i think that hits so
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  Speaker 1: you want that as well you want to do you
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  Speaker 1: want to.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Double up double me up.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: Let's pick some things from this game we both like
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the over so Presented by PrizePix, all new users play $ 5,
• 17:16
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• 17:18
  Speaker 1: on the PrizePix app and win. Trinidad, one and a
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: half passing touchdowns. That secondary would be interesting. It'd be interesting.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: Florida did it a lot on the ground, didn't they?
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: But thoughts here?
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: I don't like that.
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: Play as much as I like the Kiwan Lacy 58
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: and a half rush yard play. I think we know
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: that Ole Miss is going to get Kiwan the ball.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: They're pretty committed to doing that.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: So more on the rush yards, less on the pass touchdowns,
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: passing yards, two 43.5. Do you also like the less there?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was, I was stupid enough to bet
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: against Trinidad on his, his passing yard prop in the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: LSU game. I bet under on that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: And like, man, it's just, there's a thing with him
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: where he can be sitting at like 140 yards midway
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: through the third quarter. And then all of a sudden,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: like two drives later, he pops off and, it's, it's
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: over with. And he's just put together like 160 pass
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: yards in four minutes of game time.
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: So give, give me the over on the pass yards.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Arch one and a half touchdowns through the air.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Under and cam Coleman. Does he score a touchdown here?
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: Does he get one of those touchdowns? If, if there
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: are some thrown.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Now, I'm going.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: To, I'm going to take the flyer on that one
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: and say he does.
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: I'm going to say just it's a, that's a vibes
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: play for sure. If they're going to score three touchdowns.
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: He had one last weekend.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I'll get him to take one against a, I don't know.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: He's a matchup problem at times. So you just have to,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: you have to kind of see how the game works out.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, there is one for Wingo. It just didn't
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: fit in the screenshot. So I didn't go with it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: but again.
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: Do you want to hear my hater answer on that?
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: My hater answer is I've got a friend who calls
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Cam Coleman, little game cam.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: Because he snap ads in the big ones.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: In the little ones, yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Or in the little, yeah, little ones.
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: 20 catches so far this year, and he did have
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: four for 49 against Ohio State. That was a solid effort,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: but he dropped the deep ball that turned into the interception.
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: One for 30 on the road at Tennessee. He showed
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: up in Red River, but three for 18 last week
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: in a three-point loss is tough.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Florida's got one of the worst pass defenses ever. In
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the SEC. So a little, yeah, not just the SEC,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: like in the hundreds in the FBS. So brutal. Let's
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: do LSU and Auburn. I don't know that we would
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: have circled this one a few weeks ago, but it
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: certainly is more intriguing now. Auburn coming off of a
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: big win in Athens. LSU, after taking down Mississippi State
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: without their best two players, will look to keep their
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: season alive. And Auburn only has the two losses, right?
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Like Auburn... theoretically is just as alive as anybody else
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: with two losses in the SEC.
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, at this point, right? Why not?
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Florida's back alive. Auburn's back alive. LSU. Um, I mean,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: just an absolute must win for them with Texas, Tennessee,
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Alabama still left on the schedule. Um, uh, uh, a
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: game against A & M. Oh no, they already beat
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: A & M. I take that back. Uh, but those
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: three that I mentioned are big. Um, I, I, In
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: this one, presented by PrizePix real quick, but in this one,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: I just kind of feel like Auburn's running into that
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: same death trap that I talked about with Ole Miss.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: You won a big game last week. Can you keep
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: it going against a very different team in LSU? But
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the SEC has told you you're not allowed to do that.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: You're not allowed to have back-to-back good weeks. So thoughts
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: on Auburn here.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, you could say the same. I mean, LSU,
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: I know that.
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Playing Mississippi state without Camario and Bothwell is not the
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: marquee kind of experience, but this is a sneaky, like
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: a low key sneaky rivalry, right?
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Like I, I think people forget that there was a
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: period of time in the sec where this game was
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: kind of.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Deciding the sec West in a lot of years.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: And then Nick Saban came around and, Obviously, you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: kind of changed it. But, like, whoever lost this game
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: for a long time was sort of the coach on
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: the hot seat a little bit, right? Whether that was
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Gus or Les or whoever, Tubbs. I do think this
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: is a game where things get weird. Auburn is a
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: place where things get weird, as we know. Playing this
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: game at 11 o'clock in the morning, a little bit
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: of an advantage to LSU, in my opinion. I personally
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: got a good up-close look at this Auburn team last weekend. Look, Georgia,
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: they kind of controlled that game from a down-to-down standpoint.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: They outgained Auburn by 1.8 yards of play. Normally that
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: equates to a fairly comfortable win in most scenarios, but
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Auburn made some spectacular catches.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Georgia turned the ball over, right?
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: And I do think we've seen The reason I bring
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: that up is not to turn this into a Georgia show,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: but like we've seen Sam Levitt turn the ball over
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: And we, we've seen this, you know.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: Like I, I don't know how Auburn scores in this
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: game a little bit. Like I think LSU's defense is,
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: is the thing I know about in this game, but
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: I do see a world after watching Auburn's defense last
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: weekend where I think Auburn's defense is can handle some
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: of the mobile threat of Levitt, you know, got some,
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: some good pieces in the secondary. I think they can
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: keep this game close and at home, you know, can
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: you get a break? Can you get plus two in
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: the turnover column and go to the fourth quarter in.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: A seven point game?
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Cause like I do, I do wonder where LSU's headspace is.
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: If you get them into the fourth quarter in a
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: one possession game, the two times that's happened to them
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: this year, they've lost.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The, the, I mean, I thought immediately about the
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Kentucky game, but then obviously Ole Miss too. Now, certainly
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: a little bit different there because of what Trinidad does
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: late in games. But yeah, that Kentucky one, they just
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: kind of looked a little, a little wide eyed, you know,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: a little like, and again, Kentucky's good. I'm certainly not
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: trying to crap on them. They've had a great story
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: and a great season so far this year. And Will Stein,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's, Would you call him so far the
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: best hire in the SEC? I mean, hard to argue
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: with that.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Maybe the best hire in the country, honestly.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Him or Bob Chesney. I will say, shout out to
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: Jim Knowles, though. If we're talking hires, to go from
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: worst to first. But head coaches, certainly Stein Chesney, way
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: out there. But they did. They blinked in that fourth
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: quarter against Kentucky. I do wonder from the Auburn perspective,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: If not for the Georgia mistakes, is LSU going to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: give you those same opportunities? And that's, that's the big
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: question because if they don't lining up, I think I
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: lean LSU here. So six and a half on the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: road in the sec right now, seven and a half
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: It feels like a lot, but can your offense do
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: enough if they're not getting the, those extra possessions? Um,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: and that would be my question for sure. And let's
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: use defense. Sorry to throw six things at you at once.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And let's use defense also home and away. Very different animal. Right.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: So that's interesting. Yeah. That's a good point.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: That's something else I think about. So yeah. Answer those
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: 18 questions at once.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I do think that Kentucky kind of put a
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: little bit of a recipe on, on tape for, for
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Auburn in terms of this LSU defense.
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: Like, cause I, I think Kenny Minchie has been good.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: but it's not like they've been this big explosive passing game.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: It's not like they're hitting 70 yard pass plays and,
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: and really.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Like dynamic in that way.
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: What Auburn does is very much like they live on
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: crossers and eight to 12 yard curl routes and like
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: little tight end leak outs and things. And, I was
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: skeptical of that as they came into the Georgia game
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: last weekend. But when you can get that working with
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: as physical as Byron Brown is, it does have the
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: effect of being able to pull defenders and linebackers out
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: of the middle of the field and kind of create
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: that conflict where Brown can step up.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: And that guy's very hard to tackle. He's very hard
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: to sack. I mean, Georgia sacked him.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Five times in terms of tackling them behind the line
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage, there was probably another five times where like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: they should have sacked.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Him or they, they hit him in some way and
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: forced him out.
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: But like, he gets back to a one yard loss
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: every time instead of it being second and 18. So
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: I do think that Auburn is really hard to throw
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: off schedule. And I think that they're an offense that's
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: designed to stay on schedule. I, I look at LSU defensively, um,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: They've been really good against the pass, but I don't
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: know how much of that is a product of who
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: they've faced. It's like, you know, Clemson's not a good
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: passing team. Mississippi State without Camario, not a good passing team.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: McNeese and whoever they've played out of conference, not a
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: good passing team. And then Kentucky did have success on
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: them through the air, right? And so, and obviously Trinidad did.
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: I don't think that Ole Miss is good, or I'm sorry,
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: I don't think that LSU is going to give up
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: like the big bombs in this game, but I don't
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: think that's how Auburn wants to play anyways. And I,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: I do think that Auburn, you know, you look at
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: LSU's defense sixth nationally in past success rate allowed, but
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: they're 67th in rush success rate allowed. And, you know, they,
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: they actually, when you kind of look at them as
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: a defense statistically, they're very, very, very great to elite
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: in a lot of areas, but one of the areas
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: that they're not.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Is rush explosiveness percentage.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: Like, so I, I do think Auburn really this game,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: if they can keep this game within the range of like, Hey,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: we're here.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: We are within four.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Here we are within seven or here we are within
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: 10 and not turn it into a spot of here.
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: We are down 17, 15, And now we're going to
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: try and pass and we're going to try and get tempo.
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: And like, that's not going to work for them, but
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: if they can lean on Byron Brown's legs, like, I
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: don't think people are talking enough about how good he's
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: played in like, we all knew what he did at
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: you USF and all that. But I think within the
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: framework of this offense, he's truly had to, you know,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: carry a load and he's done it in the sec, right?
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: Like he, he had, uh, five-plus yards after contact per
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: rush attempt a couple different times in SEC play this year.
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: He broke seven different tackles against Vandy. He broke, I think,
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: six tackles against Georgia. This guy is not just doing
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: it against bad teams. He's going and breaking tackles against
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: first-round Georgia linebackers and stuff. I think he has an
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: element to him where If Auburn can keep this game
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: in a range where they can ride his legs and
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: keep those legs as a threat, then they have a
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: shot to shorten it. They have a shot to run
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: the ball. They have a shot to do some things
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: off of that. And maybe they can get lucky.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: What is the matchup, and then we'll predict it, what
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: is the matchup for Auburn that worries you the most?
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So what does LSU do that scares you the most
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: if you're Auburn?
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You're probably a little bit concerned if you're Auburn about
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: the way that LSU has stayed on schedule offensively, right? Like,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, they've been.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Typical Lane and Charlie, yeah.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Right, they've been pretty efficient Passing the ball. Maybe... And then, honestly.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: There's been all this talk lately around.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Like.
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: I saw some talk again today at Lane's press conference
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: of someone asking him about, like, oh, well, why don't
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: you go for fourth downs as much anymore? Which, of course,
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: in typical Lane fashion, like, he'll go drop nuts on
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: Saturday and.
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Go for, like... Go for it five times.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Three fourths and fours.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Once in his own territory, you know?
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: And probably get them all. So... I would not like
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: that if I was Auburn.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: But I do think that, man, I mean, you look
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: at LSU situationally and they've been.
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: Pretty balanced, honestly. Like, I mean, they can pass the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: ball efficiently.
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: They can run the ball pretty efficiently at times. I
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: don't know that it's the LSU offense against the Auburn
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: defense that worries you as much.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I am curious what I thought when.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: I previewed Auburn ahead of the Georgia game was that
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: this is an Auburn defense that gets a decent amount
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: of stuffed runs, but as the game goes on, they're
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: pretty thin in the front seven. They don't have a
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: bunch of bodies to rotate in, and if you can
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: get to about 35 carries on them, they start to
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: bust some explosive runs. You saw Tennessee do that against them, right?
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: And Georgia got scripted.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Out of that, right?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Like Georgia only gave the ball to their running backs
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: 19 times last Saturday, which was great for Auburn. So
• 31:40
  Speaker 3: I I'm interested to see you do lane and Charlie
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: stay committed to the run. Cause I, I don't want
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to sit here and act like I think that LSU
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: is going to slice and dice them for four quarters.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Cause they're not, but if they can just land enough
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: body blows and keep possession of the football and run
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: the ball, and get to the fourth quarter and be at,
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: you know, 30, 32 carries, especially with what Levitt's legs
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: do in terms of just making you chase him to
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: the sidelines and the kind of cumulative exhaustive effect of that,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: then I like LSU's chances to get to the fourth
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: quarter and bust, you know, maybe they bust that 30,
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: 40 yard run after they've struggled at times in the
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: red zone or something in this game.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of what cracks it up.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I would not be surprised with anything in this one. Again,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I shouldn't even have said that. Like I won't be
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: surprised by anything that happens in college football this weekend
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: or any weekend for the rest of the year. But
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: I do think LSU probably comes out and plays a
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: little hungrier, plays a little bit more desperate. And I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: wonder how much that, you know, Lane coaching this for
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to continue to be in playoff discussions. I
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: don't know that they can make it at nine and
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: three with all the other teams that are up here
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: and have better records than we were expecting at this point.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I don't want to say never, but because if they
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: beat Texas and Tennessee on the road and Bama, then yeah,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: they'll be considered. But I'll take Auburn to cover. Give
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: me the LSU money line. I like LSU to win.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Give me Auburn to cover in this one.
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: I'm in the same boat. I think that, especially at
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: plus seven and a half.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: If it's six and a half, I might go the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: other way.
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like a touchdown game in a lot
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: of ways. I also– I do lean under in this game.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Fifty and a half feels like a lot of points
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: with this Auburn offense.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: You know, maybe there's turnovers and different things that can happen.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I do feel like they're an offense that–
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: against this LSU defense is probably going to kick a
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: lot of field goals and maybe go for a fourth
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: down and in the red zone or somewhere inside the LSU.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: 30 that they don't get that ends in no points.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: And that, that swings you under, in my opinion, I, uh, yeah,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I'll make the under an official play too. So we,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: we were in complete agreement on, on everything this week.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: Last time we definitely fade us.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: If you're watching this, then I was going to say,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: we're going to gain it real quick. Last time we
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: were out here, we both took the UGA money line
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: on the road in Tuscaloosa. We hit on that. We
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: both took Oklahoma. You took them on the money line.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I took them to cover. So we both won, but
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: you were a little bit more accurate there. I think
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: you took Indiana. You took Nebraska, and I took Indiana.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: I took Nebraska to cover.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, correct, correct.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Did they cover? They did.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seven and a half. So, yeah, they led the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: whole thing. They lost.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I remember they led. Yeah. I just, what was it?
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: I forget.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Seven and a half. So yeah, we've been pretty good. Um, Indiana,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: if you were going to win, cover the spread, please. Um,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: so we'll see how this week goes again.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: If you're watching this on replay, fade us for sure. But, uh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: let's finish up with this. The playoff is interesting and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: I want to get to the 24 team. I want
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: to get to the 24 team because I need that
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: as a soundbite on here. I don't, I don't have it,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: but this is the best I can do. Um, the
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: 24 team is something that I know you've had a
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: lot of thoughts on. Honestly, I don't want to spend
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: a lot of time on that because I think everybody
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: in the world agrees on that, except for the people that,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: that are making the decisions. Um, so I do want
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: to talk about this year's playoff. I, I know we
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: focus a lot, sec, big 10, Miami, Notre Dame. And
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I think there's a really interesting scenario happening in the
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: big 12 right now that could really make it chaotic
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: once we get there. you just had the week of
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: death in the sec. You had Notre Dame take a loss.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: You had Miami, not quite look great though. They're still
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: in really good position within the ACC and looking at
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: their conference schedule. And you've, got a big 12 scenario
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: that I think is crazy. This is presented by prize
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: picks more on them in a bit, but, uh, right
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: now BYU beating Notre Dame really opened things up for
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: that conference to get multiple teams into the playoff. And
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I think the over under on teams
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: getting into the playoff for the big 12. Now this
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: could change in a week if they have a week,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: just like, um, yeah, it's two and a half to me.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, which you put up the three, um,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: because I guess you, you don't have a nub on
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: either of your hands. So, You did put up the full,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: the full three and do it. BYU beating Notre Dame.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And then Utah being undefeated right now, Texas tech being
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: undefeated and starting to, I don't know if they quite
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: look like they did last year, but starting to round
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in a form where I don't
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: think you look at anybody on Texas tech schedule and say, Oh,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: there's the, there's the loss, right? They, they, they look
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: like a team that's going to go undefeated. If we
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: end up with a scenario where Utah wins at home
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: against BYU and Texas Tech goes undefeated, and you've got
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: two– now Houston and Utah play this weekend, so we'll
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: see if we don't correct this with Willie Fritz and
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: them kind of throwing a wrench into things. Utah wins
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: at home against BYU, beats Houston this weekend, and Texas
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: Tech wins out. If you have two 12-0 teams going
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: to the Big 12 title game, they both have to
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: make it in. And BYU– with an 11-1 record and
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: a win against Notre Dame and their only loss being
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: on the road against a rival, which will also be
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: a top-five team in Utah, you cannot leave them out either. Like,
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know who you leave out in that scenario. Now,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I know we play the game of is it more deserving,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: is it resume? I don't know, man. Is it who
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: we think is the best? And it's neither of those things.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: We just kind of go by Vegas and put teams in.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: The committee can obviously do whatever the heck they want.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I don't know which of those three teams you leave out,
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and I think you've got to put them all three in. Now,
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: BYU has to travel 2,000 miles to UCF this weekend.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Not that I think they're going to lose, but they're
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: only a touchdown favorite there.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Had that thought as well.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You know, like there's Houston out there. Playing at Utah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that could be a loss. This conversation could be moot really,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: really quick by the time we get together next week.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: But if chalk holds, I think the Big 12 is
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: putting three teams in this thing. So we'll see if
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: chalk holds is a very obvious statement that holds a
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: lot of weight in this conversation.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, I mean, I think.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: It's a really interesting spot that we're in because– Notre
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: Dame is in trouble, man. I mean, they, they, they
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: are like, I think that we all just, everyone assumed like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of people assume they'd be BYU.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: First of all, second of all, I think that everyone
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: kind of maybe.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Them quitting on the season last year and protesting, not
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: making the playoff. In my opinion, it created this perception
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: amongst casual fans and some media people that was like, we'll,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: if they're outraged about this and they must've been really
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: good and they weren't like they weren't, I mean, they weren't,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: they weren't a bad football team by any stretch. I'm
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: not saying that, but you look at Chris Felica, the
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: bear is, did some, some, some work on this. I
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: think yesterday or maybe Sunday yesterday. And since the start
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: of last year, their Notre Dame 16 wins have come
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: against teams that are a combined team. 26 and 91
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: versus FBS opponents.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: That's a 400 winning percentage.
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: And and they're 32 and 78 versus P4 opponents.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: That's two 90.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: So it like under, under Marcus Freeman, Notre Dame has
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: five wins in the regular season against teams, which finished
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: the season ranked two of those.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Were against service academies.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: The other three USC last year, NC State in 2023,
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: Clemson in 2022. So, I think that this Notre Dame team,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I'm just very, I mean, they don't play anybody. Like,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: if they don't beat Miami, they're not getting into the playoff,
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: in my opinion, because there's just not a way for
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: them to prove they're a good team. And that's going
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: to be their own doing, because they scheduled this way.
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: But that opens the door. And then if they do
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: beat Miami, that, that helps the big 12 even more.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: So one way or the other, you have a situation
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: that kind of slots BYU over Notre Dame, as long
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: as they have an equal amount of losses or, or,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: or as long as BYU has, you know, one less loss,
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: I think the Notre Dame, and that creates an interesting
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: stack for everyone else. I am very curious, you know,
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: with Texas Tech, like what are they? I still don't
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: really feel like I know. I mean, they've had some
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: very interesting results. You know, like the Oregon State thing
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: I think has gotten better. But that win over Houston
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: looms very large in the mirror. And then they've got
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: the Brendan Sorsby Bowl this weekend against Cincinnati.
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I think we could see a world.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Like, you know, I mean, Utah, I struggle with this
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: because it's like, yeah, they could get, you know, two
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: and a half I think is the right over-under to
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: be talking about with this league. But is Utah-Houston not
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: kind of an elimination game on Saturday night?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, even if.
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: They both come out of that at six and one
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: because it's Houston that wins. it feels like Utah has
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: got to be BYU to get back into the playoff
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: conversation or their toes. Cause they, you know, I mean,
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: they just struggled with Colorado. They've had some, I mean,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: the Arkansas one was nice.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: They beat the crap out of Arkansas, but I just
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: They've got enough left on the schedule to really make
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: a huge difference in the eyes of the committee members.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I yes, Houston, Utah is an eliminator game. And it
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: becomes a little more tricky, I think, if Houston wins that.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: But again, kind of that same scenario would be if
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Houston won, then Utah is Houston's artificial floor or maybe
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: not artificial, but they're their floor. And you just swap Houston,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: you know, Houston and Utah, because then Houston has a
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: really good loss to Texas tech and a really good
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: win against Utah. And so if they go to the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: big 12 championship, you know, say in that scenario, then,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: then you're looking at a Houston team. That's 11 and
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: one at the end of the year, say BYU beats
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Utah on the road. And so that's your 10 and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: two team in the big 12. Then again, it's BYU
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: and Texas tech for the title game. They both have
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: to go. And maybe the committee would leave out an
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: 11 and one Houston with a, with a win over Utah.
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: But I think it'd be tough. I think what we've
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: seen the committee do is say, Hey, we're fine putting
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: a 10 and two Bama in over an 11, one BYU. Right.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know that I have enough faith in the
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: committee to say, yeah, we'll put a nine and three
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: sec 10 team. in over an 11 and one big
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: 12 team. I'm not saying they won't. I'm not saying
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't. I just, that might be a bridge too far.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Like I think the strength of schedule gets you like,
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: it gets you one win. I don't know that the
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: strength of schedule is going to get you two wins
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: in the committee's eyes. Now deserving, we could have debates
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: all day about who deserves more, but I'm just talking
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: like what the committee will actually do. I don't think
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: the committee is going to say, I just feel like
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: nine and three versus 11 and one, It's just a
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: really far bridge for them to jump. And we can
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: all agree, 9-3 Texas, I would take on a neutral
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: field over 11-1 Houston.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I think 9-3 Texas gets in over an 11-1
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: Houston because 9-3 Texas is going to have that win
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: over Ohio State.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: And if Florida keeps getting better, if the rivalry will
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: get kind of excused, Florida finishes ranked. But I'm not
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: completely confident in that. In that 9-3 versus 11-1?
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that you look at the
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: SEC at this point, I feel like anybody that finishes
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: 10-2 is probably in, right? Like, that seems probably legit.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Seems likely, yeah.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but, man, past that, I'm with you.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Like, the 9-3 argument gets real shaky. And I'm curious
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: how they'd handle that.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: I do know that they added.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: This new metric that's supposed to take more account of
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: strength of schedule and kind of help the SEC, it
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: seemed like, was the way it was explained and pitched.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: But again, a two-loss gap is something that is unprecedented.
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: It's never happened. We've never seen the committee... really apply
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: strength of schedule or strength of record in the ways
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: that like you and I would sit here and apply it.
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: If we were talking about, Hey, do I, who do
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I think is better based on results?
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: So I'm very fascinated. I think that.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: It's going to be a, a very interesting month of
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: December for Greg Sankey. If, He essentially ramrodded the entire
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: league on going to nine because he swore that him
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: and Tony Petitti had an agreement to immediately change the
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: playoff to 16. They listened to their commissioner and their
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: commissioner got the rug pulled out from under him by
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: the Big Ten commissioner and now all of a sudden
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: you're standing there and you've only got 12 spots and
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: these SEC teams are They do have gauntlets. Say what
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: you will about SEC bias and all of that, but
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: out of conference, the SEC won these games. Mississippi State
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: beat the dog shit out of Minnesota. Texas beat Ohio
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: State and now looks very troubled in league play. Hey,
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: one play here in the Ohio State game, sure, it
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: could have gone differently, but the SEC has those wins
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: on their resume, and that's what I'm curious about, how
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the the committee is going to handle.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Because if this was last.
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: Year or maybe the year before where the SEC had
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: some good non-con results, like last year Mississippi State beating
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: Arizona State was a good result for the SEC. But
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: the cumulative of Texas going to Columbus and losing and
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: some of that, it was not like this year for
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: the SEC where they've looked pretty dominant outside of their
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: own league. It'll be interesting to see if the ACC–
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: can take some games off of them in the last
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: week of the year. Cause like you do have Kentucky Louisville, Georgia,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Georgia tech, South Carolina, Clemson, that could be large, but, uh,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: you're to sit here and assume that a nine and
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: three sec team, other than Texas has a realistic shot
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: of getting in. You're assuming that a lot more chaos
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: is coming for all the leagues.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: Or you're assuming that this committee is going to do
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: something that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 3: No ranking body in the history of college football has
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: ever done.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: Right. And not group teams by the lost column.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: I think it also, again, this is what I hate
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: about the committee. And we did so much on this
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: last year. I think I don't, again, if their logic
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day is Texas would win
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: on a neutral field at nine and three over an
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: 11 and one Houston team. I'm okay with that. I
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: understand that logic. I'm fine. I can reason that in
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: my mind and say, if that's what you want to do,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: then that's fine. I would also try to point to
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: the fact of, okay, then why are we playing games?
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Because these games are scheduled so far out. These teams are,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: and Congress is trying to keep these teams from getting
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: into other conferences. Like how far down that path do
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: you have to get before you say the games don't matter?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: And again, I would agree with you that I, I
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: think Texas at nine and three is probably going to
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: be like, well, it's arch has an arch type game,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: but let's just assume the best Texas is going to
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: probably be an 11 and one team. But I can
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: also probably make that same argument and say like, Hey,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: I would probably take Texas over an 11 and one BYU.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: And so we're not willing to move the goalposts that much.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: So where do we draw that line of, and again,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: that's part of the ambiguity of our sport is it is,
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: it is more of a beauty pageant and less of a,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: here's how you qualify. You're in the NFC South. You
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: win more games than the other three teams you get in.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: So I understand that, but I don't, I, part of
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: me does not love that. Not because it's an sec thing,
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: not because it's a Texas thing, not because it's an
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: arch thing, not because I'm anti big 12 and none
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: of that. It just, if, if, if Texas finishes as
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: the sixth best team in the sec, and it's nine
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and three because they beat Ohio state because of a
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: miraculous fourth quarter and just a great fourth quarter, then man, there,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: there has to be some level of earning it, you know,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: not necessarily what you would just do on a field. Listen,
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, Texas is eight. And would you, would you
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: probably still take Texas at eight and four if there
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: are two losses or close losses to LSU and tennis in,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: in over an 11 and one team? Like would Vegas
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: take them?
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so like, that's not, that's not the same
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: question though. I mean, like, you know, I mean, like,
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: are you, the, the playoff still.
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: Is trying to find, they're still ranking teams by resume.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: It's not a power rate. It's not a pure power rating.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: It's not a spread ranking, but if you look at
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: Texas's schedule for them to, get to 9-3, they're going
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: to have to beat.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Two out of three of Ole Miss, Missouri, LSU, and
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: then sweep Mississippi State, Arkansas, Texas A & M. I know.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: That by Halloween Mississippi State could have Camario back and
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: Mississippi State took Texas to overtime last year. Arkansas Are
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: they good? No, but they just beat Vandy, who was
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: six points away from beating Auburn and wouldn't have lost
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: that game if they hadn't had a punt blocked in
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: return for a touchdown. And then Auburn just beat Georgia.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: So stranger things have happened than the idea that Arkansas
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: could beat Texas. And then you get A & M
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: at A & M. So I'm interested. I'm intrigued. I
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: do think a 9-3 Texas game With a win over
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Ohio State and a win over Ole Miss or LSU
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: or Missouri, two of those three, who would review IU's
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: three best wins, right?
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: If they run the table, it would be Notre Dame, Utah,
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: and Arizona's ranked right now. So I think Arizona would
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: be your third one.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: So would you take Notre Dame, Utah, Arizona over Ohio State,
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: let's say Missouri LSU? Let's say they lose to Ole Miss.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: And they run off five in a row to dramatically
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: get into the conversation.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I would say Notre Dame and Ohio State are probably
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: fairly close to canceling each other out. You're splitting hairs.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And they beat Tennessee. Sorry, I keep forgetting that. Yeah.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: So it's a lot of good wins.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Really good wins. I guess it's, you know, if we
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: had this model that measured wins and losses and assign
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: an algorithm to it and went ahead and use that
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: for our 24 teams now. It could help us quantify it.
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: What's hard is how do you factor Texas' three losses
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: versus BYU's zero? Now, BYU didn't have opportunities for losses.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Well, BYU would be in no matter what. Yeah, yeah, BYU.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: So Utah's, right? Or Houston's if they're 11-1. How do you... Now, admittedly,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Utah or Texas Tech or Houston or any of these
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: other teams, they didn't have opportunities for losses. They didn't... Right.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: That's so... How do you factor that in? How do
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: you factor in one loss versus Texas Tech and then
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: a bunch of cupcakes versus three losses to good teams?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Do you want to hear my conspiracy theory on this?
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Let's go.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: Well, I think they're going to go to 24 and
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: they're trying to sell going to 24 as a way
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: to get teams back into playing each other in marquee
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: games out of conference and to kind of get the
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: scheduling back on track in the first month of the
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: season in this sport. the best way to do that
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: would be to start punishing some teams.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: For playing crappy out of conference schedules. And like the
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: big 12, I have some compassion for it. Cause like
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: they are who they are and they don't have a
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: lot of great teams. Well, if I'm being truthful, but
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: like I, I would Houston played Oregon state, right?
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I'm not making that up. Correct. Yeah. Am I making
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: that up? Yeah.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: They put them back to back weeks. I think with Texas,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: I think they sandwiched the Texas tech game with them.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: Well, like, that's a good team.
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: That's an Oregon state team that could end up being
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: the 12th team in, you know, the G5 rep in the,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: in the playoff.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Right. So it's like, that's more than a.
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: Lot of, I mean, they went on the road to
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Georgia Southern for some reason, but like, that's more than
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of these teams in the big 12 are
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: doing is, is to play in Oregon state.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: BYU had, BYU had the Notre Dame, Utah had, Arkansas,
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: which is not great, but also scheduled years in advance. No,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: that's a good scheduled win.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's a good schedule.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: But I would say Oregon State and Arkansas are probably
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: kind of proxies for one another.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: It's better than some of these teams that get played.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my point.
• 55:13
  Speaker 3: And I think if I look at Texas Tech's schedule,
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: what is their best out-of-conference opponent?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I guess it's also Oregon State. But, you know, I mean,
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: you put Abilene Christian and Sam Hewson around that, and
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: then you're going to go.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And then they don't play BYU. Not their fault, but
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: they don't play BYU in Utah.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Maybe it is not their fault, but I think Petitti's
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: Big Ten office, like very, very intentionally scheduled– some, some
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: of the contenders to miss each other over the first
• 55:58
  Speaker 3: couple of years of this model. And I think that
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: other people maybe started catching onto that. So make them
• 56:05
  Speaker 3: pay the price for.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: For that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Like, well, that was good. That, that leads pretty well
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: into this. So we talked about the big 12, the
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: teams that can theoretically make it what the, what the
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: three team scenario is that they could get three in.
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: Let's go through each of the other conferences real fast.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: I don't want to, I don't want to include every
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: team that's mathematically still alive. Cause yes, if Florida goes
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: on a run and wins out, then yes, they can
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: make it, but I don't want to use them. Who
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: do you actually think can make it based on the
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: remaining schedules in the sec? Cause to me, it feels
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: like Georgia Ole Miss Bama and LSU, and then Kentucky
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: would really have to I mean, they'd have to pull
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: a couple of rabbits out to get it done. It
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: is possible they're on the fringe, but then like Auburn
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: technically alive, they'd have to do miraculous things down the stretch, Florida,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: technically alive. They've got to go beat Georgia in Atlanta
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: and then Kentucky and then Oklahoma. And then we'll, I
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: would talk about them a little more, but yeah, in
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: the sec in Texas, right at nine and three, Texas
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: can get to nine and three that there's our, there's
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: our one nine and three. Texas getting to 9-3 will
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: probably eliminate LSU or Ole Miss. Who do I.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: Think is alive?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Tennessee can make it. They've got South Carolina, Kentucky, A
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: & M, LSU, Vandy left. If they win, it's South Carolina.
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: They can afford the LSU loss.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: They can afford to lose to LSU and probably still
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: get in as long as Oklahoma doesn't.
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Fall apart. Or I'm sorry, as long as Alabama doesn't
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: fall apart. Alabama can obviously still make it.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the rest of their schedule,
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I know that like, yeah, they've got two losses already.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: It's week seven. That's scary.
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: But they get A & M. Then they get a
• 58:00
  Speaker 3: bye week. And then it's LSU, Vandy, SoCon Saturday, and Auburn.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: So like, they really have to split lsu a and
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: m and win the iron ball at this point yeah
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: i think that's doable i think they'll be in the playoff.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: All miss needs to split texas georgia win everything else
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: yeah it feels like they're which.
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Is which i think which i think actually they have
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: a tougher path because a they got to go on
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: the road to texas and then they got to play
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: georgia um And they got an Auburn sandwich between those two.
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: Like they don't get a buy before either of those games,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: which is a big deal in this league. They already
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: took their buy way back on week five. So they're
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: going to be pretty beat up by the time they
• 58:46
  Speaker 3: get to Georgia.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma on the road is not an easy task. That's
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: a good defense. I know that John Mateer is John Mateer, but.
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: I've watched Ole Miss lose those types of games my
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: entire adult life.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: Um, And then they go to Mississippi State at the end,
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: which if Camario and Bothwell and everybody is still engaged, there,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: that's a chaos situation, right?
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, they do get them at home. So they're in.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're alive. Texas is alive, like we said.
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: So what? Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee, Ole Miss, Texas. I think
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: LSU is obviously still alive.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah. LSU, the LSU, Tennessee, Alabama, like a lot of
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: these will work themselves out.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: They will.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: Somebody's taking another L between Texas and LSU.
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: Alabama and LSU.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: And then somebody's taking another L between Ole Miss and Texas.
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: And then somebody's taking another L between Tennessee and and
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: LSU and then Bama LSU as well. If I didn't
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: mention that one. So some of that will work itself out.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Like there, there will be some eliminator games coming up
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: here in the next couple of weeks, you know, in November.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: So we'll see.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: But like, let's talk about Kentucky seriously here because they
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: got Vandy this week.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Didn't they get a buy and they go on the
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: road to Tennessee. So let's say they lose Tennessee. Can
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: they close out? and win three straight over Florida at
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Missouri and Louisville. Cause like, I don't think that's, I.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Don't think that's impossible. No, they, they, they need to
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: win two out of three against Tennessee, Florida and Missouri.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: Two of those are on the road. Tennessee's a different
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: animal at home as we've all learned. So that'd be tough,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: but they get it coming off a buy.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: And you know that somebody is going to, at least
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: two of these teams are going to win. one of
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: these kind of swing games that we're talking about.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: We're not talking about the next week. Yeah. It's like
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: Missouri for somebody. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Or, I mean, you know, and there's the doomsday scenario too,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: where they all just do what has happened through the
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: first part of the season where they all just beat
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: each other. And then you're left with a three loss
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 1: sec champion, you know, like, I don't think that's happening.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: It's not impossible though, man.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: You, or, or the team that, you know, I'd say
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Georgia has, you know, certainly the most confidence that people
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: have is, is in Georgia. Georgia could lose to Ole
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: Miss that's on the road.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: And then from there, maybe Georgia still goes to the
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: sec championship and at two loss, Georgia beats a three
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: loss runner up.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: I don't think they're going to make anybody pay for
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 3: losing the sec title game.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I don't either. I just wonder where that three loss
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: team is going into the sec title.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Sure. Sure.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: You know, is that, Yeah, maybe they can make it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: in by beating a team like Georgia.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: So the SEC is still really wide open. It'll figure
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: itself out. The Big Ten is really interesting.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: Well, one other thing I want to say real quick.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: The team that's in trouble here is LSU.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: They have the toughest.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: They've got Alabama, Texas, Tennessee.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: And we already talked about the Auburn game this weekend,
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: which isn't a guarantee. It's not a lock. I think
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: they win, but certainly not a lock.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Stranger things have happened for sure.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: Within the last four days. Like, um, the big 10
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: is interesting. I think Indiana is relatively fine because I just, I,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I like them to go beat Michigan. I do like
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: them to be USC that game in Bloomington. I, I
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: think they're fine. Oregon, not dead. UCLA's path is right there.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I don't trust USC enough. Um, And Ohio state with,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: with out saying is interesting down the stretch.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: They have, Oh yeah, absolutely.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: They have the game against Oregon. They have the game
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: in the big house or no, no, that's, I think
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: that's at home. Um, but they have the game against
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Michigan at the end of the year. I would still
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: say Ohio state makes it, I think Indiana makes it.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: And then does UCLA get in would be my question.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: Oregon's still very much alive if they could beat Ohio state. Um,
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: is a second Ohio state loss without their quarterback. Like what,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: you know, again, the precedent exists. What does the committee,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: are we even sure.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: He's capable of coming back this year? Cause I'm not.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. If he doesn't come back and they take a
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: second loss to Oregon, what does the committee do? Right.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: I don't, I don't have a great answer. I don't,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but what if they take a third loss?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: You know, I don't think they will, but I don't
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: think it's outside of the realm of possibilities. So the
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Big Ten's interesting. The ACC is Miami and everybody else.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Can Wake make it? If Wake goes to the ACC,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: they're not getting the respect yet, and I'm interested to
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: see what the committee does. If Wake goes to the
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: ACC championship, that'll include a close loss to Miami. That'll
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: include a win over Louisville. That'll include a win over
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: SMU right now, who is ranked.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: They still will need help, though. They need some disaster
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: scenarios to happen, I think in the big 10 and SEC.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 3: Or I mean, but Hey, like I think wake's capable
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: of beating Miami. I mean, they almost beat them the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: first time. Like Miami's look, man, I know Miami is
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: number one in the country now and all of that,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: but Miami's not a dominant football team. Every time they
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: play anybody that's got a pulse and that, you know,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: can hold the ball enough to wear out their overweight
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: pass rushers.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: They, they start to fold. They struggle. They struggle late
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: in games.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: And Malachi Tony is the best football player in the country,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: maybe for my money pound for pound.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: But if you can make them do something.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: Else and you can get Darian mental office first read,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: then a lot of things fall apart for them. So
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: it's not outside the realm of possibility that Miami could,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: you know, lose to Notre Dame and then wake knocks
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: Miami out of the playoff by winning the ACC and I.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: Mean, there's a lot of scenarios on the table still.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: I just think because the ACC.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: Kind of got the shaft last year, I could see
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 3: the committee trying to write that wrong a little bit, potentially.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: To me, it would feel like if somebody in the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: Big Ten, like who's alive in the Big Ten, realistically?
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Ohio State, Indiana, UCLA.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Ohio State, UCLA.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: UCLA, Oregon.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: Is Michigan alive?
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: No, because they'll take another. I think they'll take another
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: loss this weekend, so I'm chalking that up already. USC
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: is technically alive.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: What if USC beats Ohio State with no sand?
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: I think that game is a lot more interesting.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a lot more interesting.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: If Ohio State loses to Oregon and USC, they're out.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: Only they can get in at 9-3.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Look, hear me out. Can Northwestern... I think Northwestern can
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: win out. I know that's crazy. I know it's bold.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: But I would actually say that.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, I guess Indiana and Ohio State have kind
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: of clearly separated as one, two, but they've been the
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: third best.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Team in the Big Ten.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: Better than UCLA?
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: I guess that's tough, but I'm more impressed with like
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: what they've done. Yeah.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: That 29-23 loss to Indiana told me way more than
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: anything I've learned about UCLA.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: If they, I mean, if they beat Oregon on Halloween.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: They can do it.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: And then beat Iowa, which is a ranked win. I mean,
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: does Iowa out? You know, if we're doing all this?
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Well, I'm just, but I mean. realistically, I was, no,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: they're not out. I mean, they're 15 in the country
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: and this is a 12 team playoff. Like the thing
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: about 12 team playoff is they got to put 12
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: teams in it.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: So if, if Northwestern, if Northwestern beats Oregon, Iowa and
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Ohio state, then yeah. I mean, they're obviously, because then
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: at that point they're beating Minnesota and Illinois to finish it.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: So Ohio state without saying, I asked.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 3: That's the thing is like, I think that the, the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 3: Julian say in injury news is, of any program in
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: terms of how does this impact their future, aside from
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: Ohio State, obviously, I think it impacts Northwestern the most.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: Because the path for them just opened up. And by
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: the way, I'm not entirely sure that even if they.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: Did lose to Oregon, if they could split the Oregon-Ohio
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 3: State deal and finish 10-2 with that win over Iowa,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not sure they don't get in at that point.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: I think it is. I mean, you look at UCLA's
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: schedule for the rest of the way, and they're doing
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: this with a backup quarterback right now.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that scares me about UCLA. But, I mean, hey.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: If they go 11-1, can you leave them out? I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: don't know that you can leave an 11-1 power conference
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: team out.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Look, I know they do have the backup quarterback. I'm
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: not confident that they... I think they probably do. I
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: think 11-1 is more likely than 10-2 at this point,
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: looking at that schedule. They've got Michigan State, then Nevada. Win, win.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: And Minnesota.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: Win.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: Could be tricky. Cold. California boys going to the cold.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: Illinois could be tricky. Friday night, 9 p.m. Fox. That
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: seems like the kiss of death for Big Ten teams.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: And then at Michigan. and then USC.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, like USC, I just don't know if they
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: can score with USC with a backup quarterback. But that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 3: backup quarterback is going to be a real season by
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: the time they get to late November.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: So I'm not ruling it out.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: I am interested to continue to follow this. We've been
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 1: on for a little while, but give me a, give
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: me a 90 second, 2014 playoff thought. And let's get
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: out of here.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it sucks.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Like I only needed three seconds. Yeah.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 3: Look, all of this drama that we're talking about, like
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: there's going to be a lot of hearts, absolutely broken.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: And they're in most cases, they're going to be probably
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: like very good teams instead of great teams that get
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: their hearts broken.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: But still, I.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: Think college football is at its best when everyone gets
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: to gather around the campfire and, like, point and laugh
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: at a big brand, whether that's Georgia losing to Auburn
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: or Ohio State getting upset or Texas or.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: Whoever, right?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: And I think, like, when you get to 24, these
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: upsets of these big brands– they don't really have enough
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: meaning to ruin their season anymore.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, look, hey, I already thought that.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: We kind of screwed up the regular season when I
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: watched Ohio State lose to a 6-5 rival on the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: last weekend of the season and go on and win
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 3: a national title. To me, that was sort of the
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: moment that the sport that I grew up with and
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 3: loved died.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a whole other level of really kind
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  Speaker 2: of rendering– some of these results moot and turning it
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  Speaker 2: into a, a one month tournament, like a six week sport,
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  Speaker 2: which sucks.
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  Speaker 1: I think what so many people have have waxed poetically
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  Speaker 1: on is when pay has talked about, you know, we're
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: taking the importance off of Texas, Ohio state, and we're
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: putting it onto Iowa, Nebraska the last week of the year,
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: which is fine. That's a good point. What I didn't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: think about was we are completely removing the the importance
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: of Florida going into the swamp and giving Texas their
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: second straight unranked loss.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like Texas can afford one or maybe two more of those.
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  Speaker 1: Like eight and four, Texas is probably right there around five.
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  Speaker 2: They're definitely in.
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  Speaker 1: And that is, yeah, you just rendered an entire quarter
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  Speaker 1: of your third of your season irrelevant.
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  Speaker 2: And so, and by the way, this is the shortest
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  Speaker 2: regular season in major, Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It just, yes, it is going to make some, you know,
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: eight and two team in November really well, eight and
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: two teams would already have that, but it's going to
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: make some seven and two team in November or, you know,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: six and three team in November have a lot of excitement.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: You think about that? A six and three team to
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: start November is like, man, we're, we're, we're right here, man.
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  Speaker 1: We got a bad, we got it right. Like we're
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: right in it. And so it is going to make
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: people feel a little bit better, I guess, from that perspective.
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  Speaker 1: But I, yeah, I just, I don't love that.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: I don't love open common sense prevails.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: It's not, Oh, it's not. I, the cake has been baked.
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  Speaker 3: So maybe even like we might have to live in
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: the 24 world for a year or two, but I
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: think in the end, this will all come and be undone.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: It would be nice. I have zero confidence.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think that's going to happen? You don't think so?
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 1: I just, I don't think you often see reverting, you know,
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: once a decision has been made, you never go backwards
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  Speaker 1: from it.
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  Speaker 2: Do you think there's any chance that Donald Trump.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: Will fix it for us?
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, like, I think it's possible, like not
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: to talk political, but like, he seems like the type
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: of dude.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: That like, if something catches his eye, he's just like, Oh,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: that's interesting. You know? And kind of like latches onto it.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Is there any chance that he latches onto this
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  Speaker 3: and realizes that it might be the most agreeable thing
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 3: that you could do in America right now would be
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 3: to ban this playoff from expanding and say, I.
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  Speaker 2: Would love to do something that would make 90 plus
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: percent of people happy. Like some politicians got to look
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: at this, right? That is my hope is that the
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: PCSA bill, it's still got to go jump through hoops
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: in the house and all that. And that somebody jumps
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: in and says- Not like we're going to amend this thing.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's possible. I don't have a lot
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: of faith in that happening, but I suppose it's possible. Again,
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we all know what this is.
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  Speaker 1: It is the teams that are spending too much money
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: feel like they need a participation trophy to justify the
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: money that they're spending. It is the biggest lipstick on
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: a pig situation that I've ever seen in my entire life.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: you are, yeah, you may make the playoff at 24th
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: or 23rd or 22nd or 20th. You still finished 20th
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: that year. You still were not close. And so maybe
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: a year, a couple of years of bad results, you know,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: early in the playoff, which we're already getting that with
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: 12 teams, but maybe a couple of years of really
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: lopsided results. Honestly, if they would have just, if they
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: would have marketed it better and said, we're going to
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: a 16 with a, 16 plus eight.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm, I'm, I'm such a soccer nut. I literally just
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: watched a champions league game with my daughter. The champions
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: league expanded exponentially this year. And what they did was
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: they just said, Hey, we're going to have our 16
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: team tournament. Like we've always had, but we're going to
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: have a little play in to get team tournament, which
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: is love that bonus soccer, which is 24 teams. It's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: the same thing. The playoff CFP is doing. It's 24 teams,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just, hey, these top eight get in automatically.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: The next eight got to play their way in. We
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: got eight that are at home and eight that are
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: on the road. If any of the road teams go
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: into a hostile environment and win on a college campus
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: or a European stadium, then we'll put them in the
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: playoff instead. But our playoff is just 16 teams. There's
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: an extra round that's like a play-in. So I think
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: if they would have just marketed this, because that's exactly
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: what the 24 team is. If they would have just
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: marketed it as, We got a 16-team playoff. We got
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: a play-in for the tournament. Nobody would be upset when
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: the NCAA goes to 72 or 144 or whatever number
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: they go to. Nobody would be upset if we said, hey,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: we're going to add extra play-in games. it'd be the
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: same thing in effect. But if we said, Hey, our
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: playoff is 16 teams. We compromised and we're going to
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: give you a way to play your way into the tournament. Sure. Yeah,
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: it would be, but we had to call it. We,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: and again, that's the same thing in effect. The marketing
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: around everything with college football is terrible because it doesn't
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: need marketing. You want to know why? it's just already
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: great the way that it is. So it is dumb.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: It's for a way for these boosters and donors to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: continue to get big time money, bring more money in
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: because it's not even that advantageous from a revenue perspective.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: Pace talked about this losing the conference championships. It's costing
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: the sec a little bit of money. Um, everybody else
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: is kind of breaking even ish. You know, the ACC
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: is making a little big 12, but overall it basically
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: is just a big break even for the whole sport.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: It's not about money. It's about the participation trophy that
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: these people need because they're spending too much on rosters
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: and still coming in 24th. You want to know why?
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: Because good coaches still win. That's why at the end
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: of the day, Kirby's paying the same thing everybody else is,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: maybe a little less in some situations, and good coaches
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: still win at the end of the day. Ryan Day,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: spending the same thing everybody else is, but they win
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: at the end of the day because they're good coaches.
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: So we need a participation trophy, and that's what we're getting.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other thing about it too is I
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: know the coaches have been really behind this.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Quietly in a lot of cases.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 3: Cause I, you know, people like myself and people with
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: much larger profiles than myself pointed this out as like participation,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: trophy culture, creeping into college football. And you know that
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 3: like college football coaches are like, shit, you know, like, Oh,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: I can't be seen supporting that. But, I'm going to
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: go tell my athletic director I'm really in favor of
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: this and I'm worried about our ability to get a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: fair shake from the playoff committee. My point in saying
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: it is these coaches think this is going to change
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: the perception of whether or not they were successful at
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: their job.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have interim coach. If I had to bet, I
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: would say we'll have an interim.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: Coach coaching a first-round playoff game for Team 22, something
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: like that, within the first two years of this form.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: Without a doubt. Yeah. Making it sounds good to make
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: the playoff every year. I mean, I was talking with
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Allie today about it. A peek inside getters football.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: Like obviously Florida state's a mess right now. You're going
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: to be just having a competent coach at a big
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: three school in the state of Florida.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: You're guaranteed a.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Playoff spot every year. Yeah. Like it is. It's insane. So,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: all right. We're going to wrap up Graham coffee, dog central,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: TJ Pittenger, college football addiction. This is our complete matchup guide.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: We did three games today or two games today and
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: talked a little big picture college football playoff. We'd love
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: if you subscribed. We'd love if you defund the playoff.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: We'd love if you wrote to your president and, or
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: your state Senator and told them to kill this thing.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Save us, Donald Trump.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Trump, if you watch this, please kill this. But
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens. So, Graham, thanks for hanging out, man.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Always. Thanks for having me, man.