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The Late Debate | 27 March · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late Wait, general, welcome, late.
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  Speaker 2: Turbay, good evening and thanks for joining us on the
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  Speaker 2: Late Debate. I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Joe
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  Speaker 2: hildebrandsitting in for Caleb Bond coming up tonight. If you
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: thought breakdancing was a silly sport at the Paris Games,
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  Speaker 2: wait until you hear what they've got planned for LA
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  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty eight.
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  Speaker 3: Plus when we get.
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  Speaker 2: To the papers, new South Wales barristers to be trained
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  Speaker 2: in trans issues and a former South Australian Liberal leader
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  Speaker 2: facing up to ten years in jail after pleading guilty
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  Speaker 2: to supplying drugs. All of that coming up shortly, but first,
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  Speaker 2: with Peter Dutton's Budget reply speech done tonight, the battle
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  Speaker 2: lines have well and truly been drawn. All that remains
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  Speaker 2: is for Anthony Albanezi to call the election, and for
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  Speaker 2: a moment today it seemed like he had. While Parliament
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  Speaker 2: was still sitting the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet
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  Speaker 2: tweeted that the governor had the government rather had entered
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  Speaker 2: into caretaker mode. Anthony Albanezi went on ABC Radio to
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  Speaker 2: say no, no, no, haven't called the election just yet,
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  Speaker 2: but it's imminent.
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  Speaker 4: I've got a birthday in May, so I just need
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  Speaker 4: to know which weekends I'm keeping free.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, well it will be in May.
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  Speaker 2: I can guarantee that, and it'll be called pretty imminently
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  Speaker 2: that I'm not calling it today, but I will call
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  Speaker 2: it soon. Typically an election is called on a Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: but most people are tipping Elbanezi will go to the
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  Speaker 2: Governor General tomorrow for two reasons. Firstly, the Governor General
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  Speaker 2: is away most of the weekend, so it would make sense.
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  Speaker 3: To go on Friday.
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  Speaker 2: But second it would take the wind out of coverage
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  Speaker 2: of Peter Dutton's Budget reply speech, which we'll get to
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  Speaker 2: in just a moment. But first, Liz, do you care
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  Speaker 2: when the election is held? Is this something that you're
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  Speaker 2: waiting with baited breath to find out?
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  Speaker 1: When's your birthda fifth of June?
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  Speaker 5: Send all gifts and crane to live is too care of?
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  Speaker 5: I reckon that most people who do pay attention to
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  Speaker 5: the media, which is not the vast majority of Australians.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think so when it comes to politics anyway,
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  Speaker 5: will be surprised to know it hasn't already been called.
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  Speaker 5: This campaign feels like it's been happening for weeks, if
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  Speaker 5: not already. Indeed, and of course he's got to call
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  Speaker 5: it now because he's run out of time. There's no
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  Speaker 5: window left. So this is hardly a surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Joe, You've got the Prime Minister's yet, No will we
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  Speaker 2: call the election?
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  Speaker 1: We might even call me No, I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: And that is the absolute honest truth in terms of
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  Speaker 6: what anything I've been told.
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  Speaker 1: But everything that I.
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  Speaker 6: Have understood from various people was that it was going
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  Speaker 6: to be April twelve, or possibly even brought forward to
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  Speaker 6: April the fifth, so as not to eat in to
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  Speaker 6: pass over.
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  Speaker 1: And this is at a time when you know, we
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  Speaker 1: have the.
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  Speaker 6: Anti Semitism crisis front and center, and then of course
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  Speaker 6: Cyclone Alfred happened. And the earliest you could have it
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  Speaker 6: after that is the third of May because of school holidays, Easter,
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  Speaker 6: Anzac Day, et cetera, et cetera, And that is indeed
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  Speaker 6: when it will be. So if I was on Triple
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  Speaker 6: M Hobart, I would say, Prime Minister, my birthday is
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  Speaker 6: the third of May. It's a Saturday. Should I be
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  Speaker 6: having a sausage sizzle? And I think that's well be
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  Speaker 6: It makes perfect sense. Like Liz says, the election campaign
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  Speaker 6: has been going on forever, forever, forever already. Some people,
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  Speaker 6: interestingly enough have said that maybe, and this is maybe
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  Speaker 6: a bit too three D or four D chess, that
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  Speaker 6: maybe the April dates were deliberately put out there to
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  Speaker 6: kind of get Peter Dutton to sort of peak too
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  Speaker 6: early and sort of string out the coalition. And it's
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  Speaker 6: various canis for as long as possible, and I hope
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  Speaker 6: that they would run out of ideas, run out of
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  Speaker 6: things to say, run out of momentum, and indeed maybe
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  Speaker 6: stumble and make a few gaps towards the end. So
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  Speaker 6: that is one possibility. I know certainly there is a
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  Speaker 6: thought in the thought in the labor camp and that
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  Speaker 6: they're feeling much more bullish than they were. You know,
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  Speaker 6: a few months ago they were like lining up at
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  Speaker 6: the top of the cliff, you know. But but now
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  Speaker 6: there's actually a really strong set that actually we've got this,
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  Speaker 6: We've got Peter Dutton's measure.
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  Speaker 1: He doesn't really have anything to offer. We've just got
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  Speaker 1: to hold the ship.
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  Speaker 6: Together and something I believed or not people are actually
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  Speaker 6: talking about, maybe even not minority government. I can't.
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  Speaker 2: He said that to the majority and an increased majority.
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  Speaker 6: So he said that to Donas and you would say
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  Speaker 6: that to you would say that to people who you're
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  Speaker 6: asking to give your money, and we can. You know,
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  Speaker 6: not that the two have anything to do with each other,
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  Speaker 6: but that we will be in charge when it comes
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  Speaker 6: to making decisions, not effect.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get to Peter Dutton's Budget reply speech, which he
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  Speaker 2: gave just a couple of hours ago. There were sort
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  Speaker 2: of four areas that he focused on energy costs, housing,
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  Speaker 2: cost of living and social cohesion. But I want to
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  Speaker 2: start where he finished tonight because he used the line
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  Speaker 2: I think we'll be hearing a lot of in the.
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  Speaker 3: Next couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 2: He was asking, can Australians are four more than another
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  Speaker 2: three years of a labor government?
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  Speaker 7: Australians are worse off under the Albansi government and Australians
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  Speaker 7: cannot afford three more years of this bad labor government.
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  Speaker 7: I say to Australians tonight, at this election, you can
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  Speaker 7: make the right choice, a better choice for you, a
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  Speaker 7: better choice for your family, and a better choice for
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  Speaker 7: your country. Together, let's build a stronger, safer and better Australia,
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  Speaker 7: and let's together get our country back on track.
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  Speaker 3: It's a good line.
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  Speaker 2: We can't afford another three years of labor when everyone's
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  Speaker 2: struggling with cost of living. Pitted up and described Labour's
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  Speaker 2: energy policy is quote unquote a train wreck, and was
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  Speaker 2: quick to remind Australians though were promised a price reduction
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  Speaker 2: of electricity two hundred and seventy five dollars, but instead
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  Speaker 2: prices have gone up one thousand, three hundred dollars. And
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  Speaker 2: that's not the only thing that's gone up.
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  Speaker 7: Your bills tell the true story of Labour's cost of
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  Speaker 7: living crisis. And here's the facts of the Albanesi government's
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  Speaker 7: economic record. Rents are up by eighteen percent, housing is
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  Speaker 7: up by fourteen percent, groceries up by staggering thirty percent,
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  Speaker 7: electricity is up by thirty two percent, and assurance is
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  Speaker 7: up for many households and businesses by thirty five percent.
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  Speaker 3: Liz, there's just no arguing with that.
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  Speaker 2: As Peter Dutton says, your bills tell you the story
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  Speaker 2: of the past three years.
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  Speaker 3: Do you want more of that or do you want
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  Speaker 3: something different?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, don't take my word for it. Just check
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  Speaker 5: out your bills over the last few years. Look I
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  Speaker 5: would have loved to see him go stronger on quite
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  Speaker 5: a lot of these issues, and as we know, most
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  Speaker 5: of these aren't paying attention to the budget speech much
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  Speaker 5: less the budget in reply speech. It's it's the marketing campaigns.
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  Speaker 5: It's the election campaigns that then springboard off that and
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  Speaker 5: quote themselves line for line ad nauseum for weeks on
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  Speaker 5: end until people go to the polls. But in terms
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  Speaker 5: of immigration, that being a big one. Dutt says he's
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  Speaker 5: gonna cut immigration by a quarter for the first two years,
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  Speaker 5: from one hundred and eighty five thousand to one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and forty thousand for the first two years, and then
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  Speaker 5: bring it back up to one hundred and fifty thousand
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  Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty thousand in years three and four, respectively.
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people would have liked to
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  Speaker 5: see him go harder there. Really, that's only one hundred
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  Speaker 5: and fifty thousand less immigrants over the course of those
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  Speaker 5: four years. With regards to refugee and humanitarian intake, he's
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  Speaker 5: slashing that from twenty thousand to thirteen and a half thousand,
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  Speaker 5: So that's a really sizeable cut there. But we've got
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  Speaker 5: the bean on foreign investments. No longer will people from
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  Speaker 5: overseas be able to buy up property here? That is
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  Speaker 5: so overdue, it's a joke, but finally happening. The big
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  Speaker 5: question is why only for two years Dutton? Why wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: we just make that permanent. He said he's going to
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  Speaker 5: cap international students, but didn't say by how much to
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  Speaker 5: my knowledge. And then, of course the promise to scrap
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  Speaker 5: forty thousand public servants. The question remains, how is this
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  Speaker 5: going to go with the population, particularly those people living
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  Speaker 5: in the seventeen seats that he needs to swing in
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  Speaker 5: order to put a dent in this Now. I don't
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  Speaker 5: think anyone's realistically suggesting, although I have heard some realistically
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  Speaker 5: suggest and to those people I say, look, it's free
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  Speaker 5: to dream. But the likelihood of getting a majority a
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  Speaker 5: liberal government out of this election is just I can't
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  Speaker 5: believe anyone's talking about that, like it's remotely possible. By
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  Speaker 5: an act of God, they could get a minority government,
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  Speaker 5: but goodness knows, even that would be a miracle. So
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  Speaker 5: at the end of the day, as much as this
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  Speaker 5: is a much much better budget for me, it almost
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  Speaker 5: doesn't matter what DUTs promise is At this point when
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  Speaker 5: you look at the numbers, that's how big a dent
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  Speaker 5: you've got to make, and it just looks so unrealistic.
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  Speaker 2: I'm keen to find out from you that the battle
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  Speaker 2: between the tax cuts promised by elban Easy and the
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  Speaker 2: fuel excise cut promised by Dutton. Dutton has said he
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  Speaker 2: will not go ahead with the tax cut promised by
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  Speaker 2: Alban Easy.
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  Speaker 3: So he's being.
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  Speaker 2: Accused of what you want to raise taxes in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of the cost of living crisis, He says, Look,
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  Speaker 2: Labour have put us a trillion point two in debt.
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  Speaker 2: We just can't afford tax reform. But will the fuel
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  Speaker 2: excise which applies immediately be more appealing than a five
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  Speaker 2: dollar a week tax cut starting in fifteen months from now.
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  Speaker 6: Look, I think it's got more cut through, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 6: And I think the thing with you know, we talk
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  Speaker 6: about powerbills now, the power bell is probably not your
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  Speaker 6: biggest expense when you're running a household.
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  Speaker 1: It would be things like petrol.
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  Speaker 6: It would be things like you rent your mortgage, you know,
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  Speaker 6: putting food on the table. But it's the thing you
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  Speaker 6: notice the most because you open it every month or
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  Speaker 6: every three months and think, Holy crap that has just
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  Speaker 6: jumped through the roof. And that of course where we
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  Speaker 6: get the term bills right. So, and the same thing
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  Speaker 6: happens when you go to philp if you're filling up
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  Speaker 6: on a particularly bad day in the cycle and you
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  Speaker 6: know that suddenly you're looking at you know, it's only
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  Speaker 6: just fairly recently where we're all started looking at triple figures.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been unthinkable.
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  Speaker 6: Just a few years ago that people think, holy crap,
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  Speaker 6: And so it sticks in your mind as a kind
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  Speaker 6: of lightning rod of discontent. Obviously, the tax carts will
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  Speaker 6: deliver much more money in people's pockets and over a
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  Speaker 6: much longer period of time. So in terms of it's
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  Speaker 6: a bit like delayed gratific cashing. Now do you want
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  Speaker 6: your you know, do you want one lollipop now or
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  Speaker 6: to wait a year and you get two lollipops. But
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  Speaker 6: I think it's just difficult, like Liz says, structurally, it
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  Speaker 6: is just such an incredibly difficult mountain that Peter Dutton
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  Speaker 6: and the Coalition have to climb, and the fact that
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  Speaker 6: they are you know, eight nine seats down in the
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  Speaker 6: Parliament and that people are actually talking about them being
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  Speaker 6: able to come back and after one term for the
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  Speaker 6: first time almost a century, like look the Great Depression
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  Speaker 6: and a labor schism. For that to be able to
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  Speaker 6: happen to James Scullen's government, I think it was better
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  Speaker 6: it was at Watson's anyway, point being it is very
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  Speaker 6: very difficult to see how they can do that, And
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  Speaker 6: I think there's also a sense in the Labor Party
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  Speaker 6: that they have got the wobbles have stopped, the death
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  Speaker 6: spiral has stopped, you know, they were dive bombing. They've
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  Speaker 6: now sort of flattened out. They're now starting to pull
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  Speaker 6: back up and it looks like Dutton has the College
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  Speaker 6: has lost a bit of momentum, so that I think
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  Speaker 6: is about where we sort of start. But then, of
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  Speaker 6: course anything can happen.
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  Speaker 2: And there's the other interesting part about Dutton's speech tonight
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  Speaker 2: was he talked quite a bit about social cohesion.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, indeed, he wasn't going to pass up an opportunity
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  Speaker 5: to take on the weak leadership of the alb and
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  Speaker 5: Ezy government on this particular issue across the board throughout
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  Speaker 5: the entirety of their tenure. Here he is talking about that.
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  Speaker 7: It started with the Prime Minister's voice referendum which sought
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  Speaker 7: to divide our country by ancestry and race. He then
• 12:02
  Speaker 7: left a vacuum of leadership following the prime wave in
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  Speaker 7: Alice Springs and the anti Semitism on the steps of
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  Speaker 7: the Sydney Opera House. All too often the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 7: is too late and too equivocal. This government has released
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  Speaker 7: three hundred hard core criminals from immigration to Tension into
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  Speaker 7: the community, with more than a third having reoffended against
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  Speaker 7: Australian citizens. It granted tourist visas to three thousand people
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  Speaker 7: from a terrorist controlled warzone, conducted without security checks that
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  Speaker 7: should have been put in place. It's failed to deter
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  Speaker 7: people smugglers trying to reach our shores by illegal boats.
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  Speaker 7: It's turned a blind eye when our military personnel have
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  Speaker 7: been endangered. And it didn't stand up for our country
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  Speaker 7: when Chinese communist warships entered our warders without notice, and
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  Speaker 7: it relied on Virgin Australia pilots to alert us to
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  Speaker 7: the Chinese Navy's life fire exercise of our coast.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure that list was a lot longer and they
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  Speaker 5: just had to pick their favorites out of the lot.
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  Speaker 5: I mean goodness, me he could have done his whole
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  Speaker 5: budget rep live speech, though it doesn't exactly between into
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  Speaker 5: the budget, but good on him for not passing up
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  Speaker 5: the opportunity he could have.
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  Speaker 6: But that is one of the other problems that Dunton faces.
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  Speaker 6: And again this is something both the liberal and the
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  Speaker 6: Labor Party's face, but that he's kind of boxed in.
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  Speaker 6: If he comes across as too much of a strong man,
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  Speaker 6: too much like Donald Trump, he risks putting off female
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  Speaker 6: voters and teal voters and.
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  Speaker 1: Small ld moderate Libs.
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  Speaker 6: But again, if he doesn't go hard enough and strong
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  Speaker 6: enough his bass and people like you say, well, hang
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  Speaker 6: on a minute, what's the difference between him and the
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  Speaker 6: labor parties?
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  Speaker 2: Then for one second, because he raised a really good point.
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  Speaker 2: He's accused of, you know, being like Trump in some
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  Speaker 2: of his policies. But did you notice tonight he compared
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  Speaker 2: himself to John Howard.
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  Speaker 3: Was that a deliberate thing?
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  Speaker 2: Do you think to try and head off the comparisons
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  Speaker 2: with Trump.
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  Speaker 6: Everyone is compared, Everyone compares themselves to John Howard. But
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  Speaker 6: easy was comparing himself to John Howard at the last
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  Speaker 6: election of John However, I was like, no.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing but yes, I think it's very deliberate.
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  Speaker 6: I think being like Trump was a really really good
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  Speaker 6: thing three months ago when labor was at its absolute
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  Speaker 6: doldrums and Trump was riding high and hadn't made any
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  Speaker 6: big decisions yet. And being like Donald Trump is we're
• 14:15
  Speaker 6: going to find out in the next topic, is now
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  Speaker 6: actually a really bad thing for a leader to be
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  Speaker 6: in the lead up to an election.
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  Speaker 5: Well, speaking of Donald Trump, he just announce it twenty
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  Speaker 5: five percent tariff. I think at this point it would
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  Speaker 5: be a shorter story if we just list the countries
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  Speaker 5: and products that don't. That's right, twenty five tariff here.
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  Speaker 1: Otherwise, tariff on everything.
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  Speaker 5: Tariff this time he's announced it on all cars coming
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  Speaker 5: into the state. So of course this has countries like Canada,
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  Speaker 5: like the European Union, Japan, they're all up in Ar'm saying, well,
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  Speaker 5: excuse me, this is a massive issue for us. We
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  Speaker 5: send a lot of cars your way. But this is
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  Speaker 5: an America first president and he's making sure that the
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  Speaker 5: car manufacturers in America are going to be bolstered under
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  Speaker 5: his administration.
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  Speaker 8: Here he is, so we'll effectively be charging a twenty
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  Speaker 8: five percent tariff. But if you build your car in
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  Speaker 8: the United States, there's no tariff. And what that means
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  Speaker 8: is a lot of foreign car companies, a lot of
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  Speaker 8: companies are going to be in great jap because they've
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  Speaker 8: already built their plant.
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  Speaker 5: This guy's fast becoming even more famous than he already
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  Speaker 5: is for this really unconventional use of tariffs. He's got
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  Speaker 5: one for everybody, but he does. He does love a tariff.
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  Speaker 9: And I say, the most beautiful word in the entire
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  Speaker 9: dictionary of words is the word tariff.
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  Speaker 1: I love tariff.
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  Speaker 9: I can make anybody do anything through the use of tariffs.
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  Speaker 1: I can keep people out of war. I can keep
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  Speaker 1: us out of war. The word tariff is the most beautiful.
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  Speaker 9: I think I'll do this just so I don't get
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  Speaker 9: myself in trouble. I'm going to say the third most
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  Speaker 9: beautiful love and religion, and then the word tariff.
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  Speaker 1: Then the word tariff.
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  Speaker 5: Love, religion, tariff. They all go to get He's so
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  Speaker 5: God hopeing tariff's and the grace of these is tariff's.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed.
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  Speaker 5: So, I mean, everyone's always known this long before he
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  Speaker 5: became president. You can watch videos of Donald Trump saying
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  Speaker 5: twenty years ago, this is what I would do if
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  Speaker 5: I was president of this country, I would slap these
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  Speaker 5: tariffs on absolutely everybody, make all American manufacturers first, Let's
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  Speaker 5: just make the most We've got this huge market here.
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  Speaker 5: We're the ones who are going to benefit from it
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  Speaker 5: more than anybody else. And he is absolve. I've lost
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  Speaker 5: count of.
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  Speaker 2: The well early indications that it might work in helping
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  Speaker 2: to inspire American manufacturing. Rolls Royce announced that they will
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  Speaker 2: open new plants in the United States. Of course they're
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  Speaker 2: not just building cars, but they're building engines for aeroplanes.
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  Speaker 2: Vogswagon have announced they are looking at opening factories in
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  Speaker 2: the United States, particularly for Audi and Porsche vehicles, which
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: they sell. But these taffs will apply to half of
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: all cars sold in the United States currently and a
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: sixty percent of car parts that are used in the
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: United States.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: How amazingly visionary and forward thinking of it was for
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: the Abbot government to shut.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Down the Australian order industry. That was really ahead of
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: the ball.
• 17:42
  Speaker 6: But yes, well, the reason why, a large part of
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: the reason why Trump got locked in twenty sixteen was
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: because of Mexico, especially car makers outsourcing their production to
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: mexicoss the board and just across the border where labor
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: costs were much much lower obviously, and they could produce
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: cars that were made in America until yesterday right next door,
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: so the transfer costs of negative bill as well.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And away you go.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: And that really that is almost the definition of the
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: cause of the sort of rust belt, you know, that
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: was that is what turned Detroit into a hellscape. It's
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: what it's and it was the example of what's so
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: unfair about you know, neoliberalism or free free market economics.
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: And this is the amazing thing, Like the idea that
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: you would have a Republican candidate campaigning on just tariffs
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: for everybody would have just been nuts, you know, just
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: a few years ago, the idea that the Republican Party
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: is now the party of tariffs and the Democrats are
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: now the.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Party of free trade.
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: That is a complete and utter, one hundred and eighty
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: degree reversal of where the parties used to be ideological.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: This is, i reckon, the biggest thing to happen since
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: you know, the Democrats were the party.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Of segregation and slavery.
• 18:54
  Speaker 6: And the Republicans were the party of emancipation.
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: It is incredible, incredible turnaround.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: Well, while Trump reorders the global economy. He's also making
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: a massive difference to women's sport. We'll talk about the
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: World Athletics Association, which has just made a big announcement
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: in the last day or two. But before we get
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: to that, here's Donald Trump talking about trans issues, particularly
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: as it pertains to female sports.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: No matter how many surgeries you have or chemicals you inject,
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: if you're born with male DNA and every cell of
• 19:27
  Speaker 9: your body, you can never become a woman.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: You're not going to be a woman.
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: And that's why last month they proudly signed a historic
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: executive order to ban men from competing in women's sports.
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: And it was very popular.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: And of course announcements like that mean we can finally
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: say goodbye to things like this.
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: To give it are you going very brig.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Of course, all of this came to a head at
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: the Paris Games when a boxer of questionable gender won
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: the women's boxing, reducing opponents to tears within seconds. That
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: caused a massive furor, and then the debate continued.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: The IOC said it.
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Was impossible to decide between a man and a woman,
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: and they would love for someone to come up with
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: a scientific test. Well, Lord Sebastian Coe, who heads up
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: the World Athletics, has said, we've come up with an idea.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: What we're going to do is we're going to take.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: A simple swab of people's saliva and we'll be able
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: to determine whether they're male or female and fit to
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: compete in women's sport.
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: They'll only ever need to do it.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Once in their career, and from now on that's what
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: will be happening, at least in athletics, he said overnight.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's important to do it because it maintains everything that
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: we've been talking about and particularly recently about not just
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: talking about the integrity of female sport, but actually guaranteeing it.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: We feel this is a really important way of providing
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: confidence and maintaining that absolute focus on the integrity of
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: the competition. Now this might sound revolutionary, but it's really
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: just back to the future because swab tests were routinely
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: conducted at the Olympic Games right up until the Sydney
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Olympics when the International Olympic Committee abandoned them, trying to
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: be more inclusive as a result of that, at the
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Rio Games just sixteen years later, This is in twenty sixteen,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: in the women's eight hundred meters, famously, gold, silver, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: bronze were won by biological males. Well, that won't be
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: happening anymore. The Athletics Association, or rather World Athletics, have
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: said from now on, everyone who competes in female sports,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: at least on the track, past that test.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: And importantly this will also differentiate. This test will also
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: differentiate between biological women and those who are born with DSD,
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: which is difference in sex development, which is the famous
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: case that you were alluding to there with the boxing
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: at the Olympics. This was someone who was born female,
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: grew up female, et cetera, and so on, but had
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: all the advantages, not all the advantages, but many of
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: the advantages of a male due to having DSD. And
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: when you look at the numbers of women who have
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: lost in countless now Olympics in different competitions across the board,
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: not to transgender athletes, but to athletes with DSD, which
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: was giving them an unfair advantage against just your garden
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: variety biological female. That too is incredibly important.
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: So the swab test you said, it'll be able to
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: differentiate between male chromosome. So the DSD athletes would still
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: be able to compete in this.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: It says the test will look for the s R
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: Y gene, which is part of the Y chromosome and
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: causes male characteristics to develop. It goes into detail, but
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: it specifically says and explains how.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: Trans or DSD. So even if you're born Yeah, sad.
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: It is, but there's no other way to make it.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: Fairs have ever the majority.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: Competing in women's sport. Joe, I thought maybe in the
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: female breakdancing I would have been a shot.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: I don't think anyone would be a shot in the
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: female breakdancing based on what we saw at Paris. No
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: disrespect to Reagan, but don't do that. She owns the right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: Joe.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I reckon you could give her U one for move
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: I am I invented the Melbourne shuffle?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Did you know that?
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: From From Olympic Sport to music, the Queensland Music Awards
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: this week caused controversy. In fact, the Brisbane Lord Mayor
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: has accused them of being hijacked by extremists after they
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: awarded a jazz musician a major prize for a pro
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Palestinian song called River to Sea. Now when the recipient
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: of this award. Kelly Green stood up to receive it.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: She then took a minute or more to make a
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: speech that was quite anti Israel, pro Palestine.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: Have a listen to what she said.
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: We are now a day five thirty five seventy six
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: years of the Interroli jediside I guess the people of Palestine.
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how you already said about the lines by the
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: mainstream media in the Western governments secuting Australia.
• 24:48
  Speaker 9: Who's the porter of the mass slaughter and they cleansing.
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: Of the into an entire race offa.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: She stood up to receive her award, wearing Palestinian colors.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: She talked about boycotting Israel. She took the term never again,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: which applies to what Jews suffered in the Holocaust, and
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: used it in favor of Palestinians. And she ended her
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: speech by saying, from the river to the sea, Palestine
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: will be free. Now, that's a phrase that among many
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Penny Wong has said it constitutes hate speech, and the
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Albanezi once said it has no place in Australia, and
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of course Hamas have co opted that slogan as well.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: So on hearing of this, the Brisbane Lord Mayor announced
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: that they would be immediately withdrawing twenty five thousand dollars
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: worth of funding for the Queensland music industry. He said,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: allowing such vile hate speech to occur shows the awards
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: seem to be no longer capable of achieving their own
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: stated goal to promote diversity and inclusion. As a result,
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: will be immediately withdrawing our funding and support for these
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: awards now. The organizers of the awards claim that when
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they gave the prize to a instrumental piece called River
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: to Sea occurred to them that had anything to do
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with the Middle East conflict. It just was rivet to see.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: It could have meant anything, could have maybe. But then,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of course when the recipient got up to speak in
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: colors appropriating Palestine and then gave that speech, the organizers
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: could have put a stop to it at any point.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They didn't, And so the Lord Mayor is saying, why
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: should ratepayers be putting money towards this.
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: Look, I'm a free speech absolutist, as everybody knows, you
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: can't have free speech without hate speech and vice versa.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: So which is it? What do you want? I want
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: free speech? But what comes with that? Is you are
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: not exempt from the consequences of what you say. My
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: problem with the mayor coming down on this in the
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: way that he has by withdrawing twenty five thousand dollars
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: of funding, is that it doesn't punish the woman speaking
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: on stage just then.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Punishment enough.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: It punished polish music who run these awards. It punishes
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: the award recipients in years to come, et cetera, and
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: so on. So I just don't know a public condemnation. Sure, again,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: his freedom of.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: Speech, it isn't that the whole point. They're not saying
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: you don't have the right to say these things. They're
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: saying that we are not going to use rate payer
• 27:21
  Speaker 6: money or taxpayer public money to pay for an organization
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: that platforms these things.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: Or is so incredibly.
• 27:29
  Speaker 6: Stupid that when they see the title of a piece
• 27:31
  Speaker 6: called river to say.
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: They thought it was elvisco Loco river flow.
• 27:37
  Speaker 6: They must have been seeing they when's they going to
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: get to the bridge, when's it going to get to
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: the bridge?
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: They do argue that they had like over five hundred
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: entries and therefore, and given this had no lyrics, there
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: was no song accompanying it, which.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Is ironic for someone who apparently has so much to say.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: It's up to everyone as to whether they're being disingenuous
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and they're actually is political activists on the Q Music
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: board who were actually like, not wink wink, we knew
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: exactly what we were doing. But of course this became
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: abundantly clear when the woman got up to wearing what
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: she wore and gave the speech that she gave. It
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: would have been prudent since you're claiming you had no idea,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: if that's true, to then issue some sort of we
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: are deeply apologetic, and the fact that they didn't is
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: very I don't want to say telling, because I'm not
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: accusing anyone of anything. That's their story. It's up to
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: you whether you believe them or not. Who was the
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: panel who was listening to these, who were the judges
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: who made the decisions on who were the winners, They
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: may well be a political actor.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: Rather than apologizing, the CEO of Q Music, Chris Stewart,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: said that there had been some learnings learning from what happened,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and that they would provide members with an update on
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: changes for next year's awards, not exactly the sort of
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: apology that might have warded off the I.
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: Just want to know that, like, just imagine if it
• 29:09
  Speaker 6: was I always just imagine if it was anything on
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: the other side of politics, and how different than like
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: imagine if someone had got up and said, thank you
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: very much, I'm.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Very proud to win this award. From the River to
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: the Sea.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: It's actually about how Australia's multicultural experiment has failed and
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: foreigner should go back.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: To where they came from. Thank you very much, Queenslid
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: Music Awards. It has been a wonderful image.
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: If someone said, and I'd just like to say that
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: those dirty fascists in Ukraine really got what they deserved
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: when Vladimir Putin taught them a lesson in history, and
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: like imagine if like it's just always the same, like
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: this is why it's just such a cause to jo
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: and I have huge amount of sympathy for the suffering
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: that's the Tattani and Palestine, and I have a huge
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: amount Obviously I fully believe in Israel's right to exist,
• 29:49
  Speaker 6: but I also believe in it solution. I don't want
• 29:51
  Speaker 6: anyone wiped out From the River to the Sea, but
• 29:53
  Speaker 6: it is just always this one issue that and so
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: when people say it's worthy to So why are you
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: fixated on this to the exclusion of everything else. Why
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: aren't there people getting up and talking about Ukraine. Why
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: aren't they talking about the whoties in Yemen? Why aren't
• 30:09
  Speaker 6: they talking about you know?
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: And I should point out, which I didn't at the opening,
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: that the speech that this musician gave wasn't just about
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: the conflict now occurring. Accused Israel hasn't admitted genocide since
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: nineteen forty.
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: This was the other really weird thing, right, I'm going
• 30:25
  Speaker 6: to get my geek on here, right, So she said,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: you know, seventy six years and five hundred and thirty
• 30:31
  Speaker 6: five days. Anyone picking up on this, it's actually seventy
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: seven years and one hundred and seventy days, right, So
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: why did she say five hundred Why did you say
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: five hundred and thirty five days and plus seventy six years. Well,
• 30:48
  Speaker 6: of course she's talking about October seven, twenty twenty three,
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: And so again this fixation with one like you're picking
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: the actual date of the terror attack to say, oh, no,
• 30:58
  Speaker 6: this is when everything changed. Yeah, when I mus kill
• 31:02
  Speaker 6: them kidnapped the worst number of people since the Holocaust.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: So what is wrong with these.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: People just The state government also contributes about half a
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: million dollars to queue music and they have said that
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: they will be looking for answers from organizers or they
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: consider what they will do about their fundings.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: To another story that will curl the hair and curdle
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: the blood. New South Wales Attorney General Michael Daily has
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: told victims of domestic abuse, including children, to take appropriate
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: measures to keep themselves safe while they figure out what
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: the heck is going on with a massive data breach
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: they discovered last week which compromised sensitive court documents involving
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: nine thousand different court documents involving pretty much as many
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: people right here. He is talking today about this breach, saying,
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: to be honest, we don't know what's going on with it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: Last week, while the cyber unit within DCJ was doing
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: a routine maintenance HANSE security check of the Justice Link system,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: they detected that some data within that system had changed.
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: Upon further examination they had they worked out that an
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: account holder within the Justice Link system had gained an
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: unlawful entry into that system. What we don't know yet
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: is which files were actually accessed, what the hackett did
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: with them, whether he or she just viewed them or
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: downloaded and shared them.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: In summary, we know nothing, We know nothing. So if
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: you think you might be one of these people and
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: you and your children are compromised, please get in touch
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: with the police and let us know if perhaps you've
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: heard from some one and you are under the impression
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: that you are amongst this number. The apprehended violence orders
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: in AffA David were included in the breach, and most alarmingly,
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: just the fact that kids are included in this just
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: absolutely makes my blood run cold. How does this kind
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: of thing happen when we are told in GNAUS and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: from the government, aren't we Oh, your data is safe
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: with us, your data court documents. It doesn't get much
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: more private when we're talking about vulnerable people in the
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: community that have already survived the worst of the worst,
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: and now you're telling them or just take precautions because
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: we don't know where this information, highly sensitive as it is,
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: has gone intentions.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: But it wasn't a hacker, was it inside job interested?
• 33:52
  Speaker 6: He had an account, a DCJ account, so it sounds
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: like someone who actually worked there or someone who is
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: using the account of someone who worked there. Obviously, I mean,
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: that's in the AG's exact mount So look, I suspect
• 34:05
  Speaker 6: it doesn't. Actually, I don't think it was actually a
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: giant sort of fishing expedition where a hack has come
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: in from outside to try to just trawl through as
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: much information as they can and then sell it on
• 34:14
  Speaker 6: the black market or whatever. It sounds like someone who
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: was actually working at the DCJ, or at least had
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: access to a DCJ account, was going in there for
• 34:24
  Speaker 6: it would seem purposes, by a particular purpose, that's right,
• 34:28
  Speaker 6: and it's just that's that's what I found the most
• 34:30
  Speaker 6: creepy about this story.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: None of it's funny, but I did have to laugh
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: when the Attorney General said, and I quote, the government's
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: taking this seriously because this is a system that stores
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: public data securely.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: He's using the wrong tension.
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: The part of that that is strange to me is
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: this data hack apparently was last week, was reported to
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: police on Tuesday, they closed the account on Wednesday, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: now they're say going to be another week before they
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: know what has really gone on and what information and
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: who's been affected.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: So anyway, before we get to the break, if you've got.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: An Apple phone like me, you probably use Apple Maps
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: or look at the weather on your Apple device. Well,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Apple have been spending the last four years updating their
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: maps so that they can include indigenous place names alongside
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: all the regular place names. And when you check the weather,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: you don't have to look for Australia or for Sydney
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: or for Melbourne. You can just use the indigenous name
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: and it will come up for you. There you can
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: see an example on the screen. It's an interesting development
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: by Apple that you don't get a choice whether or
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: not your Apple Maps includes this information.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It's just going to be there from now on. I
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: would have.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Thought Apple Maps are clogged up enough with names without
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: doubling it. But the majority of Australians voted in the
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: referendum not to have divisions, and they've got a corporation
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: and a foreign owned one that forcing division upon us.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: Customers value functionality over a lecture on cultural appreciation. As
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I said, maps are already cluttered. You're just trying to
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: get from A to B without being given all of
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: this other thing.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I have an Indigenous term for those letters, please James, and.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: On top of that, Joe.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: You know, sixty percent of place names in Australia are
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: already indigenous names or anglicized versions of Indigenous names.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Do we really need this? And yeah, purpose.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think we do need it strikes me. I mean,
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: of course, like I think it's one of those things.
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  Speaker 6: If people want to use those names or have the
• 36:38
  Speaker 6: dual names.
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  Speaker 1: That's great.
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  Speaker 6: I have no problem with it really whatsoever, except for
• 36:41
  Speaker 6: the fact that, like I say, it's really cluttered. I'm
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: old and so I've got weird by by focal vision
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: as it is in some kinds, I'm one of those
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: old people who's constantly going, oh, so it's hard.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Enough for me to make out, well, this.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: Is a ags, is what it is. But it's like
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: I just again, it just does seem to be a
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: bit of an answer to a question that nobody asked,
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: Like what is there outcry about this? I'm all for,
• 37:08
  Speaker 6: you know, creating new place names. I grew up in
• 37:11
  Speaker 6: a place called dan Andong. It's indigenous name, you know.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: The biggest the biggest development in Sydney recently was called
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: Braangaroo and all the stations have been given indigenous names.
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: Do we really need like, like, I mean, we're kind
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: of doing that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: This seems to me just showing apples, showing up.
• 37:28
  Speaker 6: Hey guys, we might be a multi billion dollar company
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: that won't hand over information about trolls and abusers, but
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: we're really hip.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: What do you think lives real quick?
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: The short end is no, of course, it's completely unnecessary.
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: Of course, it's only going to confuse people. You mean
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: to tell me, you're driving around and the names that
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: you're seeing on the maps aren't reflecting those on the
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: on the street signs and where where you're actually trying
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: to get to. It's incredibly confusing. We saw airports do this,
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: We saw some mainstream media channels do it, on their
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: their weather channels doing it. Indeed, everyone's just sat there going,
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: I don't even know where you're talking about right now.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to go to a break when
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: we come back, but look at what's making news tomorrow,
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: including New South Wales barristers being trained in trans issues.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: That's coming up in mister c.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Welcome back. Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: As you can imagine, most of the newspapers going with
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: the dual political story of whether or not Albanezi will
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: call an election, and of course reporting on Peter Dutton's
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: budget reply speech.
• 38:33
  Speaker 6: Joe, that's correct, James. I thought we'd do a bit
• 38:35
  Speaker 6: of a whip around, go around the ground, see how
• 38:37
  Speaker 6: each of the outlets are covering it. And I thought,
• 38:40
  Speaker 6: why not start with the big gun. Let's pull out
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: the big dogs straight away. The Canberra Times and Amazing
• 38:47
  Speaker 6: spish who spoiler alert is of course a reference to
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: the fact that the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet
• 38:52
  Speaker 6: appears to have already said that they're in caretaker mode
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: and said federal election. PM hints at Paul as Dunton
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: call as Deliver's budget reply. But this it was the
• 39:02
  Speaker 6: first sentence that really struck me, James and Liz. This
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: is why I'm never quite sure what's going on at
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: the Camera Times anyway. It says Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: is poised to call the federal election today, with May
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: three the expected date according to reports.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: That is a little confused. That is a report expected.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: You have a report of calling the.
• 39:25
  Speaker 6: Report so you say, according to other newspapers that know
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: what's going on, that's what they reckoned.
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: This day will turns to make what are you doing?
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: Newspaper and camera.
• 39:39
  Speaker 6: Anyway, over to a real newspaper now the Daily Telegraph.
• 39:42
  Speaker 6: He says, a nation pleads with its combatants inspire US
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: marginal voters holding all power. Well, yeap that I can
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: fact check that that's correct. And Dunton's new bid to
• 39:54
  Speaker 6: keep the lights on It says, after months of delays,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: speculation and unofficial election campaigning, Anthony Albanesi is today expected
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: to end the phony war, visit the Governor general and
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: call a May three election comma. According to reports.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: No, they didn't do that so because they just reported
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: right for their newspaper. They knew their reporting.
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: They don't say what other people just reported anyway. Just
• 40:15
  Speaker 6: not a criticism, just a for next time anyway, Harold Son.
• 40:19
  Speaker 6: Of course, the other big news court Mark said race
• 40:23
  Speaker 6: to the polls, Victoria the key battleground. Yes, I can
• 40:25
  Speaker 6: fact check that that is correct as well as PM
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: finally set to pull election trigger big v for victory,
• 40:32
  Speaker 6: and they've used the old VFL font V, which I
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: think is very patriotic.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: This is what victorians call loving Victoria everything.
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: Joy will understand that's a reference to AFL.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: That's right, AFL when it was real footy, when it
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: was the VFL for short.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Sure how the daniong redlegs going these days? Are they
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: still around?
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure anyway, I'm going to stop now.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: I was sure if you've finished or not, I'm not sure.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I never am, you know, I never am.
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: All I know is I just disappear and the screen
• 41:00
  Speaker 6: fades to black. Sometimes it's just a test pattern, and
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: then I know I'm done.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Let's keep going.
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: We'll move on to the Adelaide Advertiser. He was a
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: snorty boy, reads the headline from deep fake to deep
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: doo doo. David Spears, who of course was a former
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: Liberal opposition leader, pleads guilty to supplying drugs. David Spears
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: has admitted he was supplying drugs while he was the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: leader of the opposition, and the disgraced XMP is now
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: facing up to ten years in jail and a hefty fine.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: David Spears pleaded guilty to supplying a controlled drug to
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: two other people during his final days as Opposition leader
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: in August.
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: Now, all of this came to.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: The four after an investigation by the Adelaide Advertiser. A
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: lot of credit needs to go to the editor Jemma Jones,
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: because the Advertiser did a great job investigating this. Of course,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: when the video you're now watching on screen was first
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: brought to light by the advertiser, David Spears at the
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: time that it was him insisted it.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Was a deep fake video.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: The advertiser kept digging and eventually, of course it's led
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: to charges and now a guilty plea, Liz.
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: I mean to try. Do these people not realize nowadays
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: we have the technology to find out quite quickly whether
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: a video is deep faith. They can run forensics in
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: the technical world on a video and be like, yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: this has been doctored, this isn't real, And of course
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: it's only going to take the police, which, like you say,
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: thanks to the brilliant work by the TiSER, the police
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: then got onto it and did due diligence. Of course
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: they're going to find out in a few seconds flat
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: there's nothing deep fake about this footage.
• 42:43
  Speaker 6: Yet again, it's not the crime but the cover up
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: that gets it. Although it could be fair, the crime
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: probably would have got him anyway.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Now it's worth.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous. You come out, you say, look, I'm
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: terribly sorry. Personal reason had a lot of health is shirt.
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: You know, my dog died last week, whatever, whatever, I'm
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: stepping down for the good party and away you go.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I'll fight this to the end. How could you even
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: insinuate that I would ever do that. But on a
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: personal level, I have to.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: On a human level, I do feel very very sorry
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: for what's happened to David Spears. In my opinion, he
• 43:12
  Speaker 6: should never have left Sky and gone to the ABC
• 43:14
  Speaker 6: because this is.
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: What happened the other day.
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: That's the other David Spears, Adelaide Radio and the present.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Yes that's a defamation.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. Spears, he's a great guy. Oh
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: my goodness. Now now this is when it goes to
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: black to the Australian.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Now the biggest splash reads energy price election. This is
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: something we didn't quite get to in segue. Peter Dutton
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: will impose an East Coast Gas Reserve reservation rather regime
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: to secure up to twenty percent of demand and drive
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: down energy prices by decoupling local gas from overseas markets,
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: amid election eve warnings that Australia's biggest states will face
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: gash for shals shortfalls by July. Just an absolute common
• 44:04
  Speaker 5: sense move, Thank you, Darton. Hats off for that one.
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: But to the story that we alluded to earlier of
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: barristers getting trans lessons. Tell me more, you say, well,
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: I will. New South Wales barristers have been instructed to
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: never assume the gender identity of people interacting with the
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: court system and are being encouraged to quote start the conversation,
• 44:30
  Speaker 5: end quote about preferred pronouns with a witness or client
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: in case they feel intimidated to do so themselves. The
• 44:38
  Speaker 5: article goes on to say three state judges and Sex
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Discrimination Commissioner and A Cody last month launched the New
• 44:45
  Speaker 5: South Wales Bar Associations LGBTIQA plus Language and Pronouns Guide,
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: which educates barristers on the importance of addressing stakeholders by
• 44:57
  Speaker 5: appropriate pronouns, and the document even provides a glossary of pronouns.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: I'd love to know how fat that glossary is, because,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: as you and I both know, it's getting a little
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: bit out of hand, like this should be a remote
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: concern of people just trying to do their job, either
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: a defense or prosecution. This is something that you have
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: to be no, no.
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: This has actually got a huge amount of support among
• 45:28
  Speaker 6: barristers and the legal fraternity. In fact, barristers have been
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: lining up to say yes, they would really love to
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: start the conversation about these issues, although that conversation will
• 45:38
  Speaker 6: be billed at seven hundred and fifty dollars per six
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: right right as they go on, so it will be
• 45:43
  Speaker 6: an expensive conversation.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: But a very inclusive.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: Conversation with this, of course, is if you're in a
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: court of lord, I would have thought truth, yes, really
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: really important.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: And what court have you ever been.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Last?
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Anyone's worrying about you, my dreams, but you're expecting truth
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: to be the primary issue here, and they begin the
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: court case by clearly asking for pronouns from someone who's
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: obviously a man or a woman.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: And anyway, we're going to.
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: Go to a break when we come back. The Paris
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Games featured breakdancing. Reygun became famous as a result of that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: But wait, did you hear what LA is planning for
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight Games that's coming up in.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Just a moment.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Well, the Olympic Games is meant to be the pinnacle
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: of human achievement as we watch athletes push their bodies
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: to the limits in search of glory. But over the years,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: I've tried to make it a bit more interesting and
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: appeal to the masses. Back in nineteen hundred the Olympic Games,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: they featured some novelty sports, including horse long jump and
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: live pigeon shooting. Cand you I mentione them doing live
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: pigeon that would be really fascinating.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know pigeons could shoot. I thought they
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: lacked deposable thumbs.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Of course, at the Paris Games we had raygun become
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: famous when they had breakdancing at the Olympic Games.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Who will ever forget that?
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I think we've got some images here of raygun pushing
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: body to the limit.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: They're in search of.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Gold, also lack deposable thumbs.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: Not to be outdone, the Los Angeles Games planned for
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight have decided they will have a novelty
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: sport as well, and so they are going to introduce
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: a Ninja Warrior course for athletes around the world.
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: Have a look at what they're planning here.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: We've got some vision of how athletes will compete at
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the LA Games. There'll be monkey bars, they'll jump over bars.
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: It's not that much different to gymnastics, except it's more
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: for the common man who wants to feature on a
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: commercial TV reality program much like Ninja Warrior is. I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is going to take up at
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: the Olympic Games take off.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: This looks like one of those Maine shows that they
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: used to play where it was like this giant gymnasium
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: and they had to like run through these things sticking
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: out of the water, swing by the rope climbs.
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: Warrior, it's a jungle gym, it's an obstacle course.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: It's like Ninja Warrior.
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: Que.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: No, that's cultural appropriation though, isn't it. I mean, does
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: you know did the Tokyo Olympics put on you know,
• 48:07
  Speaker 6: drive by Shooting Warrior to pay tribute to steal Los
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: Angeles culture?
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Before we leave you tonight, Australians, what are we doing?
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: New streaming platform Max has gathered data last month that
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: shows Assie's spend forty two minutes on average a day
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: on streaming platform platforms just deciding what to watch. This
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: means eleven days of our year we're spending just scrolling
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: and for forty two minutes of a day, you could
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: have watched an episode of your show by then, but
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: you've wasted it scrolling. I can't relate to this whatsoever.
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: When I turn the TV on, I know exactly what
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: platform I'm going to and I know exactly what I'm watching.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Who are these?
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: You write down your list of shows from me so
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I can save myself for eleven days every year because
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I waste so much time going.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: I would love that required watching or just you know,
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: recommended watching by Lizabe.
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: That's it from us sticking around. Coming up is the
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Rita penaheeshow, have a great weekend.