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MURDER DAD CHRIS WATTS BLAMES WIFE SHANNAN FOR NOT BEING LIKE HIS LATEST AFFAIR · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories With Nancy Grace, we go behind bars and
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  Speaker 1: freakily into the mind of murder dad Chris Watts, including
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  Speaker 1: why he justifies murdering his wife and two little girls,
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  Speaker 1: actually blaming his pregnant wife Shenan for not being more
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  Speaker 1: like his latest sex affair, his latest mistress. Really, it's
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  Speaker 1: her fault. She's dead?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 1: How do you wrote Bella and Celestin to that long story? Short?
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  Speaker 1: Tonight behind bars and into the mind of Chris Watts,
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  Speaker 1: a place I thought I would never go. I'm Nancy Grays.
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  Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 1: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: I mind I dropped her up at her house during
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  Speaker 3: the morning.
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  Speaker 1: We were out of time.
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  Speaker 3: You got her pregnant and I haven't been able to
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  Speaker 3: get uphead of her.
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  Speaker 4: Good morning.
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  Speaker 5: Can you tell your mother in law that she went
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  Speaker 5: to a friends today?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Who's four friends went to a friends after?
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  Speaker 4: That's all I know.
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  Speaker 6: Who is she supposed to go to?
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  Speaker 1: Though? I wear my sun glasses at night and indoors. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: did you see him going back and forth and back
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  Speaker 1: and forth. I'm just a trial lawyer, but I know
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  Speaker 1: that that's off and with good reason. Take a listen
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  Speaker 1: to this right. Dad here, he helped me grow up
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  Speaker 1: shut he helped me Oh so good.
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  Speaker 4: He leaves me but times.
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  Speaker 7: Nick daddy Daddy.
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  Speaker 2: Shenan Ruchak never expected to fall in love with a
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  Speaker 2: man who sent her a random friend request, but two
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  Speaker 2: years later she married Chris Watts. Just after their first anniversary,
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  Speaker 2: the couple welcomes baby Bella and she becomes a big
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  Speaker 2: sister to celest at two years old. Despite financial struggles,
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  Speaker 2: the family is incredibly happy to learn they were expecting
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  Speaker 2: a little boy and break the news to Shanan's parents
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  Speaker 2: on a summer vacation.
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  Speaker 1: Baby Niko was never born, unless you count coffin birth.
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  Speaker 1: After Shanan Watts was murdered and placed in a shallow grave,
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  Speaker 1: her body expelled baby boy Nico. This raised the first
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  Speaker 1: red flag of alarm because.
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  Speaker 3: I'm concerned about a friend of mine. I dropped her
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  Speaker 3: off at her house at two in the morning, Mark
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  Speaker 3: Fright were out of town together, and we're on the
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  Speaker 3: way back to the airport and her induth and she's
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  Speaker 3: pregnant and I haven't been able to get a hold
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  Speaker 3: of her this morning. And I've gotten to her house
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  Speaker 3: and her car is there, and stuff like that, but
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  Speaker 3: she won't answer the door, she won't answer the phone call,
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  Speaker 3: she won't answer text messages, and I'm just.
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  Speaker 1: Really really concerned.
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  Speaker 3: And said a doctor's appointments this morning, and she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Go to it, and I'm just I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 3: I called him and talked to him, and he said
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  Speaker 3: that she went on a playdate with her other three daughters.
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  Speaker 3: But like, if she went on a playdate, they're both
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  Speaker 3: in car seats by which can not.
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  Speaker 4: Take a car.
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  Speaker 1: Shenan's friend rightfully disturbed. You know, that's called routine evidence,
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  Speaker 1: not stereotypical or normal evidence, evidence of a routine Why
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  Speaker 1: would Shenan take her children on playdates with their car
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  Speaker 1: seats still in the back of her car. Shenan would
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  Speaker 1: never have done that. What more do we know?
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  Speaker 8: Listengnant, Shanan Watts sets off again for a work trip
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  Speaker 8: with close friend Nicole Atkinson. Shanan confide her marriage has
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  Speaker 8: been strained, but she's hopeful to reconcile when she returns.
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  Speaker 8: The pair's flight was delayed and Atkinson drops Shanan off
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  Speaker 8: at home just before two am Monday. Shanan has a
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  Speaker 8: nine am doctor's appointment, but the expectant mom misses it.
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  Speaker 8: Watts says Shanan told him she was taking the girls
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  Speaker 8: to a playdate when he left for work at five
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  Speaker 8: point fifteen, but he has no idea where Shanan or
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  Speaker 8: their children are.
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  Speaker 1: Well, what about that missed doctor's appointment. Shanan pregnant with
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  Speaker 1: baby Nico at the time, So rightfully and sop standard
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  Speaker 1: operating procedure. They speak to Chris Watts, the husband.
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  Speaker 5: Any friends she you know she would be hanging out with.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I know, I guess her, Hermanda, her parents
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  Speaker 5: are out of state.
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  Speaker 9: US, across country.
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  Speaker 10: North Carolina.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, so that's not happening.
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  Speaker 10: She can play all the girls with blankies are gone.
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  Speaker 10: There's blankies they sleep with.
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  Speaker 4: They don't leave anyone without him.
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  Speaker 5: But nothing else peers be missing, though, just the stuff
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  Speaker 5: you'd take for a quick trip.
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  Speaker 10: She'd tell you anything about leaving, moving out, not moving out.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, the last time talk to her was this morning.
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  Speaker 10: She says she's gonna take.
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  Speaker 11: The kids to her friend's house, and then she asked
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  Speaker 11: where she was going to be, And then I've texted
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  Speaker 11: her today. I never heard anything but the cars, cars here,
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  Speaker 11: cars here, unless somebody came picked her up. But the
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  Speaker 11: people that I know, nobody's heart from her, nobody's See.
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  Speaker 1: Am I just projecting? Or can you tell who's lying
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  Speaker 1: right there? You know I picked up a lot. If
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  Speaker 1: we could put that on mute and see the video again.
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  Speaker 1: You see Chris Watts leading the police along they're trying
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  Speaker 1: to find his wife, his pregnant wife, Shenan. Check out
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  Speaker 1: the closet that I noticed immediately. Everything is in perfect order.
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  Speaker 1: She wanted to give him the perfect home. She had
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  Speaker 1: designed it, she had painted it. Look how organized. She
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  Speaker 1: even has her husband's clothes color coordinated. To see the
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  Speaker 1: sports shirts on the end. Then you've got dark, then
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  Speaker 1: you've got blue, then you've got plaid, orange, white, It
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  Speaker 1: goes on all the way around. She had in her
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  Speaker 1: mind the perfect home, the perfect marriage, the perfect family.
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  Speaker 1: Where does he fit in? Another thing? Oh yeah, another
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  Speaker 1: thing that jumped out at me. As he's walking through
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  Speaker 1: the home, he points out the baby's blankets are missing.
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  Speaker 1: He knows exactly where those blankets are. They were with
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  Speaker 1: the children, Bella and Celeste when he murdered them. And
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  Speaker 1: he has a straight face. This guy can lie like
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  Speaker 1: a rug. So when we are judging someone's demeanor, you
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  Speaker 1: can really be fooled. This is Chris Watts aka Killer Dad.
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  Speaker 1: But you've got to see this, the inevitable begging for
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  Speaker 1: their return.
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  Speaker 9: sNaN Bella Celeste, if you're out there, just come back,
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  Speaker 9: like if somebody has her, just please bring her back.
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  Speaker 9: I need to see everybody. I need to see everybody again.
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  Speaker 9: This house is not complete without anybody here. Please bring
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  Speaker 9: it back.
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  Speaker 1: That's where our friend's at Denver seven. That was his
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  Speaker 1: emotional plea for his wife to come home, for the
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  Speaker 1: unknown perpetrator to bring her back. That the house was
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  Speaker 1: not complete. That was your doing. Once you're doing it
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  Speaker 1: in such a horrific manner. Even the neighbor noticed. His
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  Speaker 1: behavior was very odd and characteristically odd.
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  Speaker 5: Watch if you just want to go talk to him,
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  Speaker 5: I'm gonna get his inpu real quick.
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  Speaker 10: Not a no, he's never he's never dropped them back
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  Speaker 10: and forth. And if he looked, he never looks her
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  Speaker 10: stuff and then out of the garage, every right, And
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  Speaker 10: it doesn't look like he can't from that here, it
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  Speaker 10: looks like he can't from down the street. To be
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  Speaker 10: completely almost with you, my wife and I were kind
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  Speaker 10: of wondering when she was on ventation if something happened
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  Speaker 10: because I've heard them pulled out screaming at each other
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  Speaker 10: at the top of their mom and then he gets.
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  Speaker 5: Crazy mass pretty recently, I guess, And.
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  Speaker 10: That's why she went and visited people, because she wanted
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  Speaker 10: to get away from the situation.
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  Speaker 1: I love the neighbor. I want him to be my neighbor.
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  Speaker 1: So from his doorcam, he could see what was happening
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  Speaker 1: at Sanan's home she shared with Watts, and he could
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  Speaker 1: see what's loading things in and out of the car.
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  Speaker 1: He could see Shanan's car parked there. Now he referred
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  Speaker 1: to her going out of town. She had gone out
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  Speaker 1: of tamp Ror to her murder. She was with her
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  Speaker 1: family in North Carolina with the two little girls. She
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  Speaker 1: did not leave the two little girls with daddy, took
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  Speaker 1: them with her. The neighbor noticing uncharacteristically odd behavior on
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  Speaker 1: the part of Chris Watts. But then there's more.
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  Speaker 5: We waited the time we were told that mom called
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  Speaker 5: a game, he said he.
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  Speaker 10: Was still on it in the way another forty five minutes.
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  Speaker 5: So he's just been giving us false times and everything.
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  Speaker 11: And we know he's been lying because his.
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  Speaker 5: Stories aren't know enough reading different stories.
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  Speaker 1: Because we have one story.
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  Speaker 5: She's with a friend right now, and then there's no story, sound.
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  Speaker 10: To play day with the kids without a friend.
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  Speaker 5: And then she left in the moon night. So she
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  Speaker 5: told us through different stories.
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  Speaker 1: So now that's the son of Shenan's best friend, Nicole
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  Speaker 1: Atkinson speaking Now. I've always believed and observed that if
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  Speaker 1: your story gets embellished, like you add facts to it,
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  Speaker 1: that's totally understandable. Maybe you were not asked the right questions,
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  Speaker 1: maybe you remembered something in addition, like hey, now I
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  Speaker 1: remember X. But when your story changes, that is a problem.
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  Speaker 1: All right, You're hearing Nicole Atkinson's son describe how Chris
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  Speaker 1: Watts's story was changing. That's a big red flag. And
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  Speaker 1: then of course it culminates here.
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  Speaker 6: We have been able to recover a body that we're
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  Speaker 6: quite certain is Shenan Watt's body. We have a strong
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  Speaker 6: reason to believe that we know where the bodies of
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  Speaker 6: the children are, and recovery efforts are in process on that.
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  Speaker 1: That's where our friends at ABC eleven. Her body recovered
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  Speaker 1: and recovered in a horrible way. Pregnant Shenan was found
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  Speaker 1: buried in a shallow grave. I told you earlier that
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  Speaker 1: she then baby Nico was born by coffin birth. Her
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  Speaker 1: body expelled her only son. She had Bella and Celest,
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  Speaker 1: her two little girls. Not far from that shallow grave,
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  Speaker 1: Bella and Celeste. These two babies were found forced, their
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  Speaker 1: bodies forced into oil drums, long cylindrical drums, and their
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  Speaker 1: bodies decomposed in that liquid, not far from where mommy
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  Speaker 1: was buried. Now, of course, Wats was then questioned. Listen
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  Speaker 1: to what he had to say and watch his demeanor.
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  Speaker 12: You have to trust me that when I tell you
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  Speaker 12: that these two beautiful girls right here, I did nothing
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  Speaker 12: to them, and to my beautiful wife, I did nothing
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  Speaker 12: to her. Like you have to trust me and believe me,
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  Speaker 12: like I know, you don't know me as a You
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  Speaker 12: know me for like two and a half three hours,
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  Speaker 12: and I don't know what your opinion is, but you
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  Speaker 12: have to realize that these two beautiful girls right here
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  Speaker 12: and my wife, I had nothing to do with the disappearance.
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  Speaker 12: Like they vanished. They were taken. Someone take has taken them.
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  Speaker 12: They're safe somewhere, we don't know. I had nothing to
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  Speaker 12: do with these with this act of an evil crool
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  Speaker 12: cut whatever has happened here, because my love for these
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  Speaker 12: two girls and my wife, like I don't want anything
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  Speaker 12: to happen to them. I've never wanted anything to happen
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  Speaker 12: to them. Like I need them. I want them to
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  Speaker 12: just to run through that front door and just grab
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  Speaker 12: me or just Barrol, just tackle me, knocked me to
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  Speaker 12: this or bust my head. I don't care. The amount
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  Speaker 12: of love and half for my family is actually gonna
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  Speaker 12: it's never gonna die, and they need I want it back, Okay,
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  Speaker 12: I have to have it back.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmmm. Listen.
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  Speaker 9: I didn't think anything that could happen by the thing,
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  Speaker 9: I'd ever do it.
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  Speaker 12: But I did, you know, keep coming, She shoots me
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  Speaker 12: of it.
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  Speaker 4: I denied it.
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  Speaker 12: I had shed on her as horrible for it, like
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  Speaker 12: she was pregnant and it was.
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  Speaker 10: I don't want her.
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  Speaker 12: I didn't her, I did. I heard her emotionally, I
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  Speaker 12: cheated on her.
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  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm. Listen she heard.
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  Speaker 9: Them, yeah yeah, well now talking her?
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  Speaker 5: Your heard.
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  Speaker 7: Did they leave you after that?
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  Speaker 1: Like that?
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  Speaker 4: So she started her. He gives.
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  Speaker 10: Paper.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars. Not only does he murder her, he
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  Speaker 1: then blames her that she is the bad person. There's
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  Speaker 1: a tiny bit more.
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  Speaker 12: Listen, and then what happened.
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  Speaker 5: I looked at her and I just cam top of her.
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  Speaker 4: And you don't have shenan do the same thing? Okay,
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  Speaker 4: did give to knock her down?
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  Speaker 12: She was already underground, and.
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  Speaker 5: I was like, I just pulled her off.
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  Speaker 4: On the bed and oh, kind of one with the okay.
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  Speaker 11: So it's not as though he got old her, you know,
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  Speaker 11: like I went up.
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  Speaker 10: Pulled her down. I had that. I don't know, I
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  Speaker 10: lost it.
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  Speaker 4: Sure o enanos laying on the ground, on the bed,
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  Speaker 4: on the bed, Yeah.
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  Speaker 12: Like when she was on top of us, I saw
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  Speaker 12: all that was happening.
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  Speaker 5: Or when that on the bed?
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  Speaker 4: What kind of chis full a queen?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 11: I think it's a.
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  Speaker 10: Sure, that's probably a queen of some sort.
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  Speaker 12: I'm kind of a picture of that.
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  Speaker 1: Smart And then finally and the days are gone.
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  Speaker 9: And that I had put my hands around my wife's
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  Speaker 9: neck and did that.
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  Speaker 4: The same thing. It's did she nanpi back at all?
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  Speaker 12: Wink?
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  Speaker 6: It does.
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  Speaker 4: The race that I had after seeing that, I oh,
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  Speaker 4: you know shein we.
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  Speaker 1: Should joining me right now. Is a very special guest
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  Speaker 1: that I've wanted to speak to again for a very
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  Speaker 1: long time. Cherylyn Catle, the author of the Murders of
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  Speaker 1: Christopher Watts and The Many Faces of Christopher Watts. A
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  Speaker 1: five year update. Cherylynne, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: What led you to speak to Chris Watts?
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  Speaker 4: Well, just as you saw him on the front porch
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  Speaker 4: that morning, it seemed more like he was trying to
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  Speaker 4: not laugh. And I told my husband, there's a lot
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  Speaker 4: here to uncover, and I'm going to write this man,
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  Speaker 4: and I want to write a book about him. I
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  Speaker 4: felt very led to do so. I just felt like
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  Speaker 4: it was meant to be, and so I did write him,
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  Speaker 4: and he responded and accepted my proposal to write a book.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, I've never been interested in hearing what he had
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  Speaker 1: to say, But I'm curious the way I would be curious,
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  Speaker 1: like looking at a spider under a glass case. I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious in that way, like when you go to the
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  Speaker 1: snakehouse at the zoo. So I'm very curious what Chris
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  Speaker 1: Watts had to say. Tell me everything start at the beginning, Well.
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  Speaker 4: At the very beginning was he wanted to clear his
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  Speaker 4: wife's name, so he was willing to speak with me.
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  Speaker 4: He invited me to come to the prison. Actually, his
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  Speaker 4: mother was very much pushing for it, and I think
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  Speaker 4: it's because they thought they could control the narrative of
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  Speaker 4: a grandmother that they thought was someone that they could control,
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  Speaker 4: that he could control. So I went to the prison
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  Speaker 4: and I sat with him the first day for five
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  Speaker 4: hours as he poured out everything that had happened, but
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  Speaker 4: telling me there was some things that he couldn't tell
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  Speaker 4: me face to face, but he would write them to
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  Speaker 4: me in a letter. He said that there were guards
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  Speaker 4: listening and that type of thing. And I don't know
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  Speaker 4: why he was trying to protect at that point.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. And now that's curious. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't want to talk because guards were listening. What would
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  Speaker 1: that have to do with him telling the truth just
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  Speaker 1: because a guard was listening, right exactly.
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  Speaker 4: But this is a man who wants people to think
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  Speaker 4: that he is the good boy next door. That's the
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  Speaker 4: way he came off to everyone. And he's a monster,
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  Speaker 4: absolutely a monster in sheep's clothing when you go. When
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  Speaker 4: I went to the prison to meet with him, he
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  Speaker 4: just acted like the nicest guy and would hang his head,
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  Speaker 4: not looking me straight in the eye. I could tell
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  Speaker 4: he was very ashamed. At one point, I said, Christopher,
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  Speaker 4: look at me. Stop looking down, look at me when
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  Speaker 4: you talk to me. I want you to look at me. Well,
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  Speaker 4: he was lying so much, I realized later, because he
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  Speaker 4: was blaming what he did on other things.
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  Speaker 5: So we.
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  Speaker 4: From there. He started writing me letters, mini letters, twelve
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  Speaker 4: page letters, and he One of the things he was
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  Speaker 4: trying to hide is the morning that he old Shenan
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  Speaker 4: the girls were still alive. As he was rolling Shenan
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  Speaker 4: off of the bed and wrapping her in a sheet,
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  Speaker 4: Bella walked in the bedroom and said, what's wrong with mommy?
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  Speaker 4: What's happened? And he told her that mommy was sick
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  Speaker 4: and they were going to take her to the hospital.
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  Speaker 4: But he was mortified that that child woke up. As
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  Speaker 4: he put it, not far behind her was cec Cecy
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  Speaker 4: was stumbling. My opinion, she may have had a little
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  Speaker 4: bit of brain damage from where they He had smothered
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  Speaker 4: them and thought that he had completed the job. It
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  Speaker 4: takes more than a couple of minutes to do that,
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  Speaker 4: and I think he stopped too soon.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 4: One of the most horrible things that can be imagined
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  Speaker 4: is he put those two baby girls and the back
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  Speaker 4: seat of his truck. Bella asking why they weren't in
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  Speaker 4: a car seat or a seat belt, and him telling
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  Speaker 4: them it was okay, it'd be okay this time. He
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  Speaker 4: laid Shenan across the bottom of the floorboard of that
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  Speaker 4: truck under the girl's feet, and the girls kept saying,
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  Speaker 4: something stinks, daddy, something smells, what's wrong, what's wrong with mommy.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: He took them to the oil field, where he had
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: them wait while he rolled Shenan out onto the ground.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: He pulled her over away from the truck, and he
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: buried her where those baby girls could watch. If you
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: can even imagine, as he rolled Shenan over, he noticed
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: that Nico had been born, and he was like amazed
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: at what had just happened. He went back to the truck.
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: He smothered Ceci, he said, first, and then he smothered
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: Bella well. First when he smelled. When he smothered Ceci,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: he said. He took her up to the oil battery
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: and put her in. But he put her in an
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: eight inch hole. Now, if you think of ordering an
• 22:34
  Speaker 4: individual pizza, it's about eight inches around. And he put
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: her in this eight inch hole, and he had to
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: stomp her in. He couldn't just drop her in. He
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: had to stomp her in and he heard the splash
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: as her body hit the oil. Then he went back
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: to the truck and Ceci said, Dad, you're not going
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: to do the same thing to me that you did
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: to Bella, are you. But he took that child and
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: he put a blanket over her head, and he smothered her,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: and she fought him. She may have only been four,
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: but that child fought him with everything she had. And
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: it has still made me wonder to this day if
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: cc me or I'm sorry, if Bella may have been
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: alive when he dropped her in that oil battery, because
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: she had tearing in her mouth, she had bruises. It
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: kept me awake at night, Nancy. It is the most
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: horrible thing of thinking of what he could have possibly
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: done to his own flesh and blood, and the reasons
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: why he did it are even more horrible. And he
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: pulled away listening to a song by Metallica, and.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I just okay, wait a minute, wait a minute, sherylyn Caitele.
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: He pulled away, I mean drove away in his car
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: listening to Metallica. Yes, well, is his demeanor as he's
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: telling you this? Or was this in the letters.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: Someone was in the letters and some was in person.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: In person, he could not tell me that they woke
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: back up, but he said in the letters that, you know,
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: he didn't know what else to do with their bodies
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: at that point. He was afraid they were going to
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: wake back up again. He thought, according to him, that
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: it was a spiritual thing that he that they woke
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: back up and he had to kill them the second time.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: He did not look at it as he just humbled
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the murder the first time, so he was afraid they
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: would wake back.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: I don't understand that. How did he thank them reviving
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: was a quote spiritual thing? Demonic? I mean, what is
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: he talking about?
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he thought it was. He thought he thought that
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: there was some sort of a darkness over him that
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: made him kill Tenan and the girls, something that he
• 25:28
  Speaker 4: had been dealing with for a couple of weeks, when
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: in fact, those couple of weeks were his planning stage.
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: He would dream daydream about how he was going to
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: kill them. He knew the night that he put those
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: girls to bed, he says in a letter to me,
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: I knew that was the last night I would be
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: tucking my babies in. He knew they would never wake
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: up again and Carrie on another day, and so he
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: waited christian An to waylay her. He surprised her with
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: the way that he treated her. He had sex with
• 26:08
  Speaker 4: her before he murdered her.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: When he's talking to you and divulging these details, what
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: is his demeanor.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Uh, he didn't want to look at me. He was acting,
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: and I want to I want to emphasize acting that
• 26:29
  Speaker 4: he was remorseful, telling me about how he's having nightmares
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: and prison, how Cecy is visiting him in prison. And
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: he thought that she knocked off some papers off of
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: a table right next to him, and he jumped because
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: he was afraid she was going to the table was
• 26:51
  Speaker 4: going to fall on top of her and hurt her. Really,
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: so his demeanor was as a concern Dad, as I'm
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: you know, I can't believe I did what I did.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: But it was so fake, just like the porch.
• 27:10
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: I find all of this so hypocritical. I mean, he's
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: got the children's pictures up on his wall in his
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: jail cell. But he was of sane mind at the
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: time he murdered them. In fact, isn't it true, Sherilyn
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: Catle that he murdered Shenan and Bella and Celeste and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: baby Nico because he wanted to be with another woman,
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: and the entire time Shenan was visiting her family in
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: North Carolina, he used that opportunity to hit on a coworker.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and they had a six week affair up to
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: the date that Shenan came home, and he didn't want
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: to let go of her. He didn't want to go
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: back to his real life and give up his girlfriend.
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: But now after murdering his family and being found guilty
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: of everything, and or he admitted to it, he then
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: turned to blame his girlfriend, that she was dark and
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: somehow she transferred this evil, dark spirit onto him which
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: made him kill his family. Just another way of blaming.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: And one thing I wanted to say, because we see
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: him so fidgety and everything on the videos with the
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: neighbor's house and talking to the police, he told me
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: he never considered, never gave one thought that he would
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: ever be fought. He thought he was so smart that
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: he could literally pull this off and never be caught
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: and he could go off and have his life with
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: his girlfriend and everything would just be wonderful. Yeah, that's
• 29:10
  Speaker 4: a monster. That's a real monster.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: When he would talk to you, Sherlynn, what what was
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: your impression of him? Because I find that really not
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: only interesting, like I said, studying a rattlesnake, but I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: find it probative. In other words, it proved something to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: me that he was so arrogant that he believed he
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: would never be caught, that he could manipulate everyone, the
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: girlfriend and well the many girlfriends he had, his wife,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: his children, his own family, the justice system, his coworkers.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's been hooking up with women for you know,
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: one night stance forever, right right.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, Christopher is good looking, or he was at
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: one time. He was a good looking I believe that
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: this crime has eaten him. He's not as good looking
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: as he used to be, but he's a good looking man,
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: and he comes across very sweet. He was very gallant,
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: and the way he even treated me, he was very kind.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: He wanted me to just feel that he was the
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: good boy next door, and he took on a role
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: with me almost as that I was a mother figure
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: to him. And he would tell me that because I mean,
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: I went into it at sixty years old. I had
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: no intentions of any kind of a romance. And I
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: made that upfront in my letter. That's not what my
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: letter was about. And I find it interesting that he
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: has a lot of issues from growing up that he
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: may think is okay. But I would be very concerned
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: if my son had those kinds of issues. And I
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: think that it was some.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Kind of issues.
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: Well, he had a he would go into the bathroom
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: at home, and his mother told me this. He would
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: go into the bathroom at home and she would hear
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: him crying and saying, Oh God, please forgive me, Please
• 31:21
  Speaker 7: forgive me, Please forgive me for what I did. Please
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: forgive me.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: She said that she would ask him about that and
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: he wouldn't answer her, and so she decided to leave
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: him alone because she felt like he had his right
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: to moments of privacy. Well, that is far beyond privacy.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: That was sick. Something had happened, something a twelve year
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: old boyfriend.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Oh no, much, something happened, or that he did something
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: sounds to me, Dad did something that he was anxious
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to be forgiven.
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, absolutely, And so he would do things like that,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: and he was very much a kind of a loner.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: He did have a friend that he grew up with
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: that lived close by to them or next door or something.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: But I think there was a lot of dark things
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: in his childhood that he did. And I don't think
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: it was killing the cat down the street. I think
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: there was some things that he did. He told me
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: once in the jail that there was some things he
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: would take to his grave that he would never talk about.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: One of those things, well, hold on my head, just
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: blew off, let me attach it. He's murdered his pregnant wife,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: the unborn baby, his two daughters, Bella and Celeste. But
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: there's something so bad he won't tell you.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that was one of those things happened. During
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: the surrounding the murders, I would question him about different things.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: I think the thing that he wouldn't talk about that
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: he was going to take to his grave, I think
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: it had to do with the fact that he gave
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Shenan a heavy dose of oxycodone when he had met
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: up with her at her family's house in South Carolina.
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: He spent the night the first night at the house
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: there with the family, and he so wanted to get
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: rid of the unborn baby that he gave Shenan. He
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: made her a shake, and he put oxycodone in that shape,
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: thinking that it would cause her to miss carry. The
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: poor girl drank it unaware of what he was doing
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: to her, and it made her very violently ill. She
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: threw up all night. He couldn't even console her, allowed
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: her to literally sleep in the bathroom with her head
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: on the toilet, vomiting and sick. Her brother had to
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: come in and help console her. She was so sick,
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: but she did not lose her baby. I believe that
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: one of the things that he will take to his
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: grave with him is who gave him that oxycodone. He
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: wouldn't tell you on this moment.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Hold on so disagree, and I admit that you're the
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: expert because you've had all these conversations with him. But
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: he would sell anybody down the river. He's now blaming Shenan.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: She was the problem. She was a control freak. He's
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: blaming the girlfriend. It's all her fault. She was a
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: quote dark spirit, like Coltman Laurie Valo said, he blames
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: everybody else for everything. I think it's something much worse
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: than who gave him the OxyContin that he slipped into
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: her drink to kill the baby. And maybe her. I
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: don't think that's it. He would sell out anybody and
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: their mother. I think it's something worse than that, Something
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: he did to Shenan or the girls, or to their bodies,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: something that's so horrible he won't confess it.
• 35:14
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Follow that through to its logical conclusion, right right.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: And I have wondered if the girls were alive when
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: they hit that water. That has been because it's he
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: was a time crunch getting out of there. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: he had to appear like everything was okay at work
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: at eight o'clock, and so it took time to smother
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: those girls. It took time to walk them up those
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: battery steps. If you've seen a picture of them, they're huge.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: They're huge, They're tall up in the air. So were
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: they alive?
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: So he had sex with Shenan right before he killed her.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: I wonder if rape kits were done on Bella and Celeste.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: I wonder if he, let me just say ephemistically, tampered
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: with Shenan's body post mortem. Whatever news has got to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: be something that's so horrible he can't bring himself to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: state it. I don't know what could be more horrible
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: than what we already know he did what he's confessed
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: to question, how is he twisting this around and making
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: this all Shenan's fault.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Sanan was an accomplished woman in her own rights. She
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: sold a company, Thrive, that she worked for, and she
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: was very successful. They gave her a car allowance for
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: new Lexus. When she would go to the the large
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: campaigns that they have every year, she won awards. She
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: had something like four hundred thousand people under her. She
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: was very accomplished woman, and she liked to spend money.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: She liked to impress. They lived in a huge home.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: She made him look very little in his eyes. He
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: felt like she made him look little. He told me
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: that she would.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: What how does her working her fingers to the bone
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: and creating this beautiful home that she artfully designed. I've
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: looked at every room that she designed, she painted, she furnished.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Now how does she makes the money she brings home,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: the money she takes care of the children, She designs
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: the home, she cleans the home. What how does she
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: make him look small? I thought you only got all
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: on your own.
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: That's only in his eyes, not in I don't believe
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: Shenan felt that way. About him, I know for fact,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: and laws did not feel that way about him. But
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: he had to have some way to blame all this. See,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: they went on trips. That shows right right here, you're
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: looking at them at a beach. That trip was furnished
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: by her, by her company that she worked for. She
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: earned those things, and he had a job, a decent job,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: but he only made sixty thousand a year tea mean
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: twice what he made, and he felt belittled, he said,
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: by her.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: She was very fending her money. Daddy, nobody I know
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: pay for all those motels he's shacked up in.
• 38:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so all the dinners he took his girlfriend to
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: and the gifts that he bought her, that's right, yes.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: And so Sanan was, like you said, working her fingers
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: to the bone. The girl work day and night to
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: do what she accomplished. And yet he would say that
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: she was just you know, just onto him all the time,
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: and you know, just whatever he could use to blame
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: her forever.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because she probably knew he was cheating, or at
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: least suspected. Well, I think you can't have a house
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: that beautiful that you design and you keep nate as
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: a pen and not look at your husband's credit cards
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: when he doesn't show up for supper?
• 39:32
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Isn't that why we all have live three sixty?
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Yes? Right? Yeah? No, No, she she was blindsighted in
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: the beginning. I believe she trusted him because she was
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: so busy. I don't think she had time to follow
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: him around and see what he was doing. And so
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: in the beginning, I think she was very trusting.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Crimes to with Nancy Grace. Yes, I want to throw
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: something at you. I mean, I know you're not a shrink,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: but I'm just thinking about her and I admire her. Well,
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: she's beautiful, and she always is so put together, and
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: she's trying so hard to get that Hallmark family and
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: home and keep it perfect and beautiful. And she has
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: to wonder, what's wrong with me? Why is he not
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: coming home at night? Why is he at the do
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: drop in motel. I mean, she had to be suspicious,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: and that probably manifested by her being quote on him
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: like what are you doing? Where have you been? And
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I'm sure he resented that. But this beautiful woman on
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: the end, not her, I'm talking about Shine. That's one
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: of his many many girlfriends, Her Shanan. She was always
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: feeling like she was overweight, like she wasn't pretty enough,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: like she wasn't exciting and funny and witty and blah
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: blah blah, feeling the blank because of him.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Right right, He didn't do anything to feed her ego,
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: but he wanted his fed well, and he went to
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: the gym and he lost to weight and he buffed up.
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: And she had to have known something's going on here
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: because she was a smart girl. She was just you know,
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: she wasn't stupid by any means. And so, I mean,
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: we all have things about us that we we wish
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: we looked different or we were way less.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Wrong with men, I don't get it. He didn't get it.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Of course. I guess you could say the same thing
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: about some women. But they've got it all. If you
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: can't be happy with her and the beautiful girl and
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the baby boy and the picture perfect home and the
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: perfect neighborhood, what I mean, what does it take?
• 42:07
  Speaker 10: I don't know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what does it take. That's everybody's dream.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: But listen to this. This I'm quoting from Sherilyn Catle's book.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Now she's got two of them. I know, if Nikki
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and I were going to be together. I had to
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: kill all of them. That's a quote from the murders
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: of Christopher Watts. It was all to be with another woman.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Hadn't he ever heard of divorce?
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Yes, think of that. And the other woman. I don't
• 42:38
  Speaker 4: know anything about her, but she was, in my opinion,
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: far more what he should want. I mean, he built
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: a life.
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: A lot of people always cheat down. Yeah, yeah, cheat down,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: cheat down.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: That's a good one, yes, definitely. I mean, look at Shanan.
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: She's beautiful, she's laughing, She's got a wonderful personality. She
• 43:04
  Speaker 4: treated people so well. People loved her. She had a
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: huge group of friends. I don't understand at all. I
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: don't understand why he would not be happy with what
• 43:20
  Speaker 4: he had.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: He tries to blame it on anger, that I was
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: so angry I would have killed anything like anger is
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: some type of a beast that did the date. It
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: was him that did the day. Did he ever shed
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: a tear?
• 43:36
  Speaker 9: Never?
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: Never did he shed a tear. And here's another thing.
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: And I asked him about this point blank, because I said,
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: it seems like that this monster in you, that whatever
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: it was, that you were having to go to the
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: bathroom and pray for forgiveness. And this didn't happen just once.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: This is something that happened on a kind of a
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  Speaker 4: regular basis that he could hear him as a child.
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  Speaker 4: I said, it seems to me like there was a
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  Speaker 4: monster inside of you and it was boiling and boiling
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: and it had to come out. And that's why you
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: killed Shanan is because that monster just had to come out.
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know what you think of that, but it's
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: like something in there and it wasn't caused by Shananne,
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: that monster inside of him.
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  Speaker 1: You know. You mentioned that when he left the disposal, saying,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: which is a really ephemistic way to put what he
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: did to Bella and Celeste, Sheanan and Nico, that he
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: was playing Metallica. What he was playing was a Metallica song, Battery, Battery,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: and some of the lyrics are pounding out, aggression turns
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: into obsession. Cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: That's he knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: the motive was to be with another woman who would
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: probably start cheating on the moment he could.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, What is your takeaway of Chris Watts and the
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: books are amazing. The murders of Christopher Watts and the
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: many faces of Christopher Watts a five year update. What's
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: your takeaway that you can give.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Us all of these women that are at that are
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: writing to him and sending him love letters and sending
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: him money through the mail that has overloaded his commissary.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: My takeaway is that there's something in him that he
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: thinks he can just woo any woman, and woman beware,
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: because let me tell you, anyone that has that personality
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I would definitely be very careful of there. I don't
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: think that there is a man or a woman alive
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: that is willing to kiss your feet that much, to
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: wool you that much, and not just be himself. But
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: these women, they want to marry him, they want to
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: support him, they want to visit with him, they want
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: to talk to him on the phone. Oh my gosh.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: My takeaway is just beware women, beware.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: You know you mentioned that he was good looking. I
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: have never once found him good looking, even before I
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: need for sure he murdered Shnan because he doesn't have
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: a kind face.
• 46:42
  Speaker 11: You know.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Now, why am I seeing him without a shirt on?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Why are you doing that to me? I don't want
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: to see his body. He's guck. Do you know what
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: control room showing me that? You might as well show
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: me a picture of a coral snake or anaconda or
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: a poisonous spider. That's how I view him. I've never
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: want saying a kind look in his eyes. I mean,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: he may smile, but there's something cold in his eyes.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: You know, when my husband smiles, his eyes smile too, yes,
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: and I spe like my dad and my mom their
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: eyes smile. His eyes always look cold to me.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean, there's so many women think that
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: he's good looking, to the points that all these women
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: that have written him Nancy, they send him money in
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: the mail. He has a fan club. It's unbelievable, the
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: fan clubs that he has. And the people that believe
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: that he didn't really do this or it was more
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: caused by shenand they.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: May confessed, and people still believe he didn't do it.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, people still believe he did not do it.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: What an artful deceiver he is, you know, that's what
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: the devil is often called, the deceiver. Yes, the deceiver,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: that's what he is. You know what, Just to irritate
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Chris Watts I'm going to close our time together for
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: now anyway, and I hope we meet again. Your books
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: are amazing, and you work so hard and so meticulously
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: to do this, and thank Heaven you didn't fall for
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: that poc Chris Watts, The Murders of Christopher Watts and
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: The Many Faces of Christopher Watts A five year update
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: now to irritate Christopher Watts. I'm going to close out
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: remembering someone decent and good and true and American hero
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Corporal Michael Roberts Tampa Pede, shot in the line of
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: duty after eleven years of serving others, leaving behind a
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: grieving wife, Cynthia, and a lonely son, Adam. American hero
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Corporal Michael Roberts rested peace, Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,