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The Bolt Report | 17 June · The Bolt Report

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Speaker 1: Is the report.
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Speaker 2: What a joke? All this week have heard the experts say, Oh,
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Speaker 2: today it's going to be Pauline Hans's moment of truth
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Speaker 2: the National Press Club, her first speech there in thirty years.
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Speaker 2: The media would rip her apart. But what did we see?
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Speaker 2: What did we see? The exact opposite, another handsome triumph
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Speaker 2: in front of a jam packed crowd with the tables turned.
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Speaker 2: Hanson turned from the hunted to the hunter, the One
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Speaker 2: Nation leader, came to the Press Club, saw the Press Club,
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Speaker 2: and gave the journalists their absolute hell, starting with Channel nine,
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Speaker 2: which of course I showed you the other day. Had
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Speaker 2: some silly reporter in Perth last week asking her ridiculous
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Speaker 2: questions about how should flown in?
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Speaker 3: Is channel nine here? I just want to clarify that no,
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Speaker 3: Genus jet is not broken, and I didn't come cattle class,
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Speaker 3: or I did come cattle class actually, so anyway, just
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Speaker 3: if you're dwelling on that, what question you're going to
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Speaker 3: ask me? I just want to get that out of
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Speaker 3: the way.
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Speaker 2: Beautiful. It became actually a blood sport as Hanson was
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Speaker 2: slaughtering sacred cows left and right. From the start, she
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Speaker 2: made clear she was a voice for the bloody fed
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Speaker 2: up and she junked the usual opening prayer at the
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Speaker 2: Press Club.
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Speaker 3: Don't expect a device of welcome to country from me.
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Speaker 3: This beautiful country belongs to all Australians born here and
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Speaker 3: those who have come to join us.
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Speaker 2: Now, Hanson. When she first reading it, particularly the stats,
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Speaker 2: you know, she stumbled a little bit like maybe she
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Speaker 2: was a bit nervous, but that quickly disappeared and she
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Speaker 2: soon got stuck in. And ever she looks so ready
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Speaker 2: to govern. Well, almost a bit of work to do still,
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Speaker 2: But honestly, I tell you it was so funny. At
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Speaker 2: times she let the media really have it, reminding them
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Speaker 2: they were now powerless against her supporters, because you know,
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Speaker 2: the media had already done it's worse already and yet
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Speaker 2: destroyed only themselves while she is riding high.
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Speaker 3: Every attempt has been made for years to silence me
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Speaker 3: in Australia today, in our democracy, the real tragedies. People
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Speaker 3: are frightened of what will happen to them if they
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Speaker 3: just speak up. But now they are finding their courage
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Speaker 3: to embrace one nation. They know I'm not part of
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Speaker 3: the political establishment that is no longer listening to them,
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Speaker 3: and no longer seems to care. They know you've come
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Speaker 3: after me, even happy to see me put in prison.
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Speaker 3: They know what you've been saying about me, and many
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Speaker 3: of them no longer believe you.
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Speaker 2: And you know, when Hannah and really seemed to settle
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Speaker 2: into a speech and think, you know, oh, I've got
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Speaker 2: this I reckon it was when the left wing activist
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Speaker 2: group Get Up trying to disrupt her speech, interrupt her
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Speaker 2: speaking by unfurling a prepositioned banner behind her to deliver
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Speaker 2: an anti Hanson message and did it just when she
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Speaker 2: was talking about growing hunger and poverty among battlers, among
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Speaker 2: poor Australians like you know, Get Up doesn't care about them.
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Speaker 3: Organizations like the Solvos are so overwhelmed with demand they're
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Speaker 3: having to turn people away. Of the four four hundred
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Speaker 3: people surveying surveyed, nineteen percent said they'd eaten food from
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Speaker 3: a rubbish bin in the past twelve months. Thirty five
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Speaker 3: percent of parents said that children had been just feel hungry.
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Speaker 2: Now, no wonder. Hanson just smiled when she saw that
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Speaker 2: because she knew this played into her hands. It just
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Speaker 2: proved her point and also proved that even the mighty
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Speaker 2: Get Up is now powerless to stop her. It was
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Speaker 2: such a telling moment really, because think of this. Get
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Speaker 2: Up a month ago blew six hundred thousand dollars in
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Speaker 2: a failed attempt to stop one Nation winning the Parah
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Speaker 2: by election. Now get Up couldn't stop people voting for Hanson,
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Speaker 2: so now it tries instead to disrupt her even speaking,
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Speaker 2: and that of course charms writing with Hanson's message and
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Speaker 2: just helps drive more people to support her. If that's
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Speaker 2: the kind of low life trying to shut her down.
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Speaker 2: A bit like the taddy group of protests outside the
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Speaker 2: Press Club today and for the rest of us is
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Speaker 2: Wednesday work day, but of course they were socialists opposed
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Speaker 2: to Hanson's agenda of freedom and hard work. Hanson also
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Speaker 2: today delivered a fierce declaration of principles, with none of
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Speaker 2: the nervous quaver of the voice that we used to
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Speaker 2: hear from her, and with all of the genuine conviction
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Speaker 2: that neither the Prime Minister nor the opposition leader can
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Speaker 2: themselves muster.
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Speaker 3: For instance, immigration policy has our country in the state
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Speaker 3: of crisis. At the center of this crisis is the
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Speaker 3: utterly flawed policy of multiculturalism. We cannot be a multicultural society.
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Speaker 3: We are a multi racial society, but we must be
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Speaker 3: mono cultural. Australians must live under the one cultural umbrella.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, are there really Australians that still disagree with that?
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Speaker 2: After Bondai and then there were all the other hands
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Speaker 2: and hits which now land with a thud. After that
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Speaker 2: Bondai massacre. Foreign Born hate preachers would be deported, you know,
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Speaker 2: the action taken against hate preachers in Sydney. Some of
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Speaker 2: the Sydney Mosque's immigration to be cut, and then there
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Speaker 2: were more of the familiar hits. Global warming schemes would
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Speaker 2: be defunded. The ABC would be turned into a pay
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Speaker 2: to use service outside the country stations, a nuclear power
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Speaker 2: would be introduced. Two colfund generators would be built and
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Speaker 2: spending would be cut. And for those who more than
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Speaker 2: two co fund generators. Actually, for those who think that
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Speaker 2: Hanson is ah, well, you know what if she knows
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Speaker 2: just not to be trusted with the economy, not like Albow.
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Speaker 2: There was this blast at Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi and
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Speaker 2: his treasure Jim Chalmers, who were loading us with more
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Speaker 2: and more debt.
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Speaker 3: The difference between Alvin Easy Charmers and me is that
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Speaker 3: I actually ran a small business. They have earned their
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Speaker 3: income by working for government, taking their salary from the taxpayer.
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Speaker 2: Now that said, it's true that Paulin Hanson didn't sketch
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Speaker 2: out her economic policies or tax policies, didn't try to
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Speaker 2: make the sums add up. I mean, she's promising more
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Speaker 2: than she's saving, as far as I can make out.
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Speaker 2: But that really, for now does seem like second order
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Speaker 2: stuff to one nation, because what we saw today and
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Speaker 2: what Hanson really represents, is a revolution against the ruling
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Speaker 2: class of activist bureaucrats and same same politicians and the
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Speaker 2: media mates you know, all their pieties and their ludicrous crusades,
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Speaker 2: global warming, racial division, mass immigration.
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Speaker 3: Australians aren't buying this crap from the political establishment and
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Speaker 3: its media supporters anymore.
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Speaker 2: Now anything, I have an easy said today he wouldn't
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Speaker 2: be watching Hanson's speech. Well that's actually a good move, Alboa,
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Speaker 2: because if you had watched, you wouldn't be able to
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Speaker 2: sleep tonight knowing the handsome truck that's coming for you. Now.
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Speaker 2: That goutless get up stunt at Pauline Hans's speech today
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Speaker 2: has now been referred to police. The Australian Federal Police
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Speaker 2: by the National Press Club, which is already named a
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Speaker 2: suspect because had that lunch today was David Chiraz and
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Speaker 2: he is a get up official. Chaaz also is the
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Speaker 2: husband of Britney Higgins, who falsely claimed her then Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party boss tried to stop her reporting her rape at work.
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Speaker 2: False said a couple of judges. Ni statement, the Press
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Speaker 2: Club says, it appears to two persons entered the club
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Speaker 2: building yesterday afternoon without permission and installed a separate drop
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Speaker 2: down screen in front of our media wall like box.
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Speaker 2: It is evident that a further person present during the
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Speaker 2: address activated a remote device to trigger the unfurling of
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Speaker 2: the coiled banner and Hello. David Scharraz was seen filming
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Speaker 2: the incident on his phone and after the banner had
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Speaker 2: been lowered, left abruptly well. The Press Club says that
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Speaker 2: understands this is likely to form part of the Australian
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Speaker 2: Federal Police investigation. The after he says, yes, it is
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Speaker 2: investigating call for public help, and the Press Club says
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Speaker 2: it's also going to get up, get up after get
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Speaker 2: up for criminal damage. Now, David Charaz, he was texting
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Speaker 2: me last month Oh, you know you gotta have us on.
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Speaker 2: You got to have us on the nasty things you're saying. God, well,
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Speaker 2: I tonight have asked him to come on the show
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Speaker 2: explain this, ask him for a comment. But you know what,
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Speaker 2: no response, Like I said, Gutlass joined me is scone
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Speaker 2: You's host jameson person? Who was that the Pauline Hanson's speech, James,
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Speaker 2: lovely to see you. I wave to you when I
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Speaker 2: saw you on TV. Back heavy security there today, although
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Speaker 2: get Up still managed to get through.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: I'm told Andrew that that's the most security there's ever
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Speaker 4: been for an address at the National Press Club, including
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Speaker 4: when Anthony Albanezi has spoken and the Ambassador of Israel
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Speaker 4: to Australia when he's addressed the Press Club. Not as
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Speaker 4: much security for them as there was today for Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 4: I also believe it's the first time that the front
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Speaker 4: entrance of the National Press Club has been blocked off.
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Speaker 4: Everybody who attended had to come through the back door
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Speaker 4: to keep them well away from To be honest, it
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Speaker 4: was only a handful of protesters, but police were taking
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Speaker 4: no chances. There were a lot of police right around
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Speaker 4: the block, which makes it all the more remarkable that
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Speaker 4: get Up were able to gain prior access to a
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Speaker 4: venue where a well known right wing speaker was to
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Speaker 4: give an address and then use the remote control to
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Speaker 4: activate a device within meters of the podium.
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Speaker 5: Thank god it was only a banner.
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Speaker 4: But it just goes to show the more poor Enhansom
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Speaker 4: grows over the next two years as we get towards
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Speaker 4: the election, the more seriously they are going to need
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Speaker 4: to take security.
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Speaker 2: Well, it could have been a bomb, not a banner.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is just ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. But I'll
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Speaker 2: tell you what it says something, James, if the Greens
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Speaker 2: leader gave an address of the Press Club, you wouldn't
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Speaker 2: need that security. But if someone of the right does,
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Speaker 2: you do. And it just tells you should tell all
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Speaker 2: Australians where the real threats to your free speech and
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Speaker 2: even your life are coming from. And it is not
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Speaker 2: from all the right. Now. There was a hostile audience
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Speaker 2: of journalists but also a lot of hands and supporters
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Speaker 2: who clearly bought tickets to the lunch and judging from
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Speaker 2: the applause, what's the atmosphere like in the middle of.
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Speaker 4: It, Well, I tell you the atmosphere before it was
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Speaker 4: pretty electric. People were very excited to be there. There
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Speaker 4: was great anticipation in the room. When Pauline Hanson walked
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Speaker 4: into the room. I mean, she was absolutely mobbed by media.
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Speaker 4: I don't think she would have enjoyed much of her
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Speaker 4: lunch because she had cameras in her face the entire time.
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Speaker 4: And what was strange is you felt like people wanted
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Speaker 4: to applaud right through the speech, though no one was really.
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Speaker 5: Sure whether it was appropriate to applaud.
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Speaker 4: So she said so many great things, and looking around
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Speaker 4: the room you could see people nodding and smiling, but
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Speaker 4: withholding applause until sort of the end of the speech,
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Speaker 4: when people started to be a bit more expressive. You
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Speaker 4: said something in your opening, Andrew, that's very true. I
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Speaker 4: thought she began a little nervously, but the moment that
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Speaker 4: banner came down, You're absolutely right, she found her groove.
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Speaker 4: She looked up from her pre prepared notes and she
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Speaker 4: looked straight at the press who was sitting in front
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Speaker 4: of her, and it's like she became angry, with this
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Speaker 4: kind of righteous anger, and she decided, right, it's on,
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Speaker 4: and I'm going to have none of this.
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Speaker 5: And from that moment, she absolutely owned the room.
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Speaker 2: Yes, well, it's interesting because she, as you say, she
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Speaker 2: looked up from her notes and for about a minute,
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Speaker 2: minute and a half she gave an next she extemporized
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Speaker 2: the speech, very passionate about the poor, the poverty in
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Speaker 2: this country and why we bring in so many immigrants
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Speaker 2: when we can't even look after our own and she
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Speaker 2: spoke from the heart and bang, that just ended the argument.
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Speaker 2: You know, she is ready to rumble. What was her
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Speaker 2: trickiest moment? Do you think?
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Speaker 4: I'm not sure that she had a tricky moment, to
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Speaker 4: be honest. I mean, you know she's Daniel, the Lion's Dan.
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Speaker 4: You're waiting for her to be ripped apart. But that
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Speaker 4: moment never came. I mean when she was asked, do
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Speaker 4: you believe Australia is in danger of being flooded by Muslims?
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Speaker 4: And the whole room held their breath for a moment,
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Speaker 4: and she paused, she smiled, and then she came back
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Speaker 4: with that great line, not on my watch, they won't.
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Speaker 5: And the journalist too, I.
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Speaker 4: Think was from the Sydney Morning Herald sort of shrugged
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Speaker 4: and went back to his seat.
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Speaker 5: Game on. So she handled things really.
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Speaker 2: Well, honestly, thirty years of people immedia, people taking potshots
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Speaker 2: at her. I think she knows how to dodge every bullet.
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Speaker 2: What's that film where they dodge bullets like that? That's her,
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Speaker 2: that's her. James, thank you, thank you. I was going
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Speaker 2: to say Matrix, but then I feared that I'd get
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Speaker 2: it wrong and my sons I wouldn't hear the end
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Speaker 2: of it from them. James witperson, thank you so much,
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Speaker 2: indeed for your time. Really appreciate it, honestly. No wonder
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Speaker 2: by the way that Pauline Answers now more popular than
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister. I tell you why. After the break
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Speaker 2: the panel and Anthony Albanese is the latest shameless giveaway
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Speaker 2: of your money. They have more reaction later to the
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Speaker 2: extraordinary handsoon speech, but first more evidence of the trouble
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Speaker 2: the Albutizer governor is in and the trouble we're in
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Speaker 2: because of it. Today comes a Sky News polk affirming
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Speaker 2: every other one in the past couple of weeks. So
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Speaker 2: one nation is indeed the most popular with the political parties.
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Speaker 2: And what does Anthony Albanies he do to try to
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Speaker 2: save his government? Simple yet another handout billions of your
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Speaker 2: dollars to give childcare workers a huge pay rise to
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Speaker 2: mind other people's children, or they have a look at
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Speaker 2: what he calls it in his media release, The Albanies
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Speaker 2: the government is investing a further three point six billion
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Speaker 2: over the next two years to lock in this historic
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Speaker 2: fifteen percent pay rise for early childhood educators. A fifteen
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Speaker 2: percent pay raise over two years, paid for by you.
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Speaker 2: It's just mad and Albaniz he calls this handout and investment,
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Speaker 2: I mean investment. Can we just call it what it is?
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Speaker 2: It's spending and is huge. Another three and a half billion,
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Speaker 2: on top of what the governor's already given childcare workers
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Speaker 2: for this pay rise, for a grand total of seven
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Speaker 2: point two billion dollars. Joins the political panel Camera Milner
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Speaker 2: form chief staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now director
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Speaker 2: of g XO Strategies, and Michael cossa former New South
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Speaker 2: Wales labor treasurer. Michael, isn't this the kind of spending
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Speaker 2: that explains by taxes are high, growth is low and
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Speaker 2: gross debt is hitting a trillion dollars?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely, Andrew, and you know what's Steven worse about this?
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Speaker 6: Remember they've also got a policy of not means testing
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Speaker 6: the benefits they're giving on that child care. So you're
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Speaker 6: going to be on half a million dollars and still
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Speaker 6: receive fun off the government. So they're funding both sides
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Speaker 6: of the equation if you look at it. They're funding
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Speaker 6: the childcare workers as well as the customers of the
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Speaker 6: childcare workers. And I wonder, we're in real trouble, and
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Speaker 6: you know the trouble is therefore all to see. There's
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Speaker 6: one of the good things at Hanson in fact said
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Speaker 6: today was when she compared Elbow and Charmers spending to
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Speaker 6: Whitlams and keeping spending. I thought that was a very
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Speaker 6: telling point. We've got records spending, the RBA doesn't know
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Speaker 6: what it's doing. You know, Charmers rigged the rules and
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Speaker 6: we've ended up. Rather than having the soft landing that
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Speaker 6: he's been talking about, looks like we're going to have
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Speaker 6: a soft stagflation. You know, unemployment going up, interest rates
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Speaker 6: stubbornly stuck in the position they're in, and productivity declining
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Speaker 6: and as you rightly said, government debt going through the roof.
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Speaker 1: I think they've given up.
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Speaker 6: They're going to throw more money at this problem. They've
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Speaker 6: never had any fiscal responsibility in any event. So what's
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Speaker 6: it matter to them if they throw more money at it.
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Speaker 2: Well, it helps him. I think this is about two
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand childcare works that will probably say, oh, I'll
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Speaker 2: vote labor if it means free money. And you know,
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Speaker 2: don't tell me it's all about productivity. Putting with Look,
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Speaker 2: there's this childcare. Free childcare is being offered even to
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Speaker 2: parents that say, Nah, just want to have a nap
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Speaker 2: or I just want to go play tennis, and you know,
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Speaker 2: we pay for that childcare. I find it incredible. Can
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Speaker 2: you you've been in the belly of the Beast cameraon,
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Speaker 2: can you explain this kind of handout.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a big fat payoff to his union mates.
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Speaker 7: I mean the United Workers Union, which is Albow's factional
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Speaker 7: power base. Fifty percent of their membership is now childcare workers,
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Speaker 7: fifty percent of their membership. So this is a big
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Speaker 7: fat payoff to the union that supports in fashion.
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Speaker 2: No, it is, it's fact straight through.
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Speaker 7: They're the childcare workers union and they support his campaign
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Speaker 7: in marginal seats. They donate huge amounts of money and
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Speaker 7: there is his factional power base. So no wonder they
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Speaker 7: got seven point two billion dollars of taxpayers money for
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Speaker 7: a pay rise.
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Speaker 2: For private sector workers.
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Speaker 7: I mean, Michael, it's unheard of that you have a
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Speaker 7: government subsidizing private sector workers except and Elbow's parallel universe
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Speaker 7: where union mates get paid off because they worked in
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Speaker 7: the marginal seats. So of course the union members get
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Speaker 7: a sweetheart deal.
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Speaker 2: Honestly, it's just extraordinary. This handout mentality is socialism, boselfs
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Speaker 2: and I know there are people that Brohman Bishop who
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Speaker 2: say socialism all the time, but that is exactly what
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Speaker 2: this is. Look, I was going to Michael talk about
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Speaker 2: Center Allen the Victorian Premier, some amazing scenes. I might
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Speaker 2: get onto it in a second, But you did mention
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen the speech today. I don't know. You know,
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Speaker 2: there were a lot of people hoping that should come
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Speaker 2: a gutzer. I think what I saw there is going
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Speaker 2: to be devastating for labor and the liberals. It looked
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Speaker 2: like a real leader for its unbelievable. But maybe I'm
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Speaker 2: just seeing it wrong. What do you think?
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Speaker 6: Well, I think she did watch to do to keep
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Speaker 6: the momentum going. Andrew, I'm not going to be as
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Speaker 6: enthusiastic about it, because some of those economic policies are
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Speaker 6: quite bonkers and they need to detail how they're going
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Speaker 6: to pay for those things. But look, seventy to eighty
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Speaker 6: percent of what she said, most people would agree with.
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Speaker 6: I mean, I probably disagree with you on the stuff
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Speaker 6: about multiculturalism. I think she's framed it wrong. I wouldn't
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Speaker 6: talk about a monoculture. I think what we're going to
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Speaker 6: talk about is Western values. I mean, you know, and
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Speaker 6: I will say those silly point about people speaking you know,
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Speaker 6: their languages at home, Chinese and Arabs, all right. I
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Speaker 6: mean I come from a non English speaking background. We
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Speaker 6: spoke our languages at home, but we contributed to the economy,
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Speaker 6: We integrated and you know my generation of Greeks and Italians,
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Speaker 6: they're doctors, lawyers, and you know, prominent citizens. I think
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Speaker 6: she's going to be very careful with the messaging here.
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Speaker 6: It's good for the supporters, but remember she's still got
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Speaker 6: to win that middle ground to effectively be an opposition
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Speaker 6: that people will take seriously. So I thought she did
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Speaker 6: what was required. I thought the press was hopeless some
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Speaker 6: of those questions specific I.
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Speaker 2: Thought they were intimidated.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think they.
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Speaker 2: Most of them were intimidated, but I think she did.
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Speaker 2: But I agree with you. No, I agree with you
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Speaker 2: on the the lack of spending detail. I didn't mention
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Speaker 2: that before, absolutely correct. And on the languages as she
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Speaker 2: did go on to say that what was more than
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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand Australians do not speak English well at
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Speaker 2: all or at all according to the census, and that
21:35
Speaker 2: was the key figure. But as for speaking a foreign
21:38
Speaker 2: language at home, what can I say? I spoke Dutch
21:40
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, or my parents did, and
21:43
Speaker 2: I still have an art Mont needle on. So look, honestly,
21:49
Speaker 2: what did you make of it, Cameron?
21:52
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's the power of someone who actually
21:54
Speaker 7: believes in what they're saying. I mean, we're dealing with
21:57
Speaker 7: it Angus Taylor who just sort of trust himself out
21:59
Speaker 7: there album who lies both sides of the mouth, and
22:02
Speaker 7: Paul Enhance actually believes what she says, and therefore it's
22:04
Speaker 7: very convincing, very powerful. To your point, Michael, I don't
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Speaker 7: agree with a lot of stuff that she says as
22:09
Speaker 7: a labor person, but I can see that the conviction
22:11
Speaker 7: politics that she represents, the fact that she believes what
22:14
Speaker 7: she says is very powerful and very compelling when you're
22:17
Speaker 7: up against weak angus and lying elbow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think a lot of people will say you, well,
22:26
Speaker 2: it may not all add up, Michael, but that is
22:28
Speaker 2: the direction they want the country to go in, and
22:31
Speaker 2: they've not seen the big parties will do it for them.
22:34
Speaker 2: And this is the big issue, you know, if you
22:36
Speaker 2: want to talk about you know, if they did this
22:38
Speaker 2: and they balance that, and you're absolutely correct, I think
22:41
Speaker 2: it's current stage. If they ever got into power right now,
22:45
Speaker 2: it'd be a disaster. But the point is at least
22:48
Speaker 2: they're pointing to the right direction, and until the other
22:50
Speaker 2: parties do that, they're not of interest. They're not of
22:53
Speaker 2: interest to the kind of people supporting her. But in
22:56
Speaker 2: terms of you said, she did what was needed to
22:59
Speaker 2: be done, do you think there's a put a rocket
23:03
Speaker 2: under her again? Will she get to the next stage.
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Speaker 6: I don't think people will be watching that press club speech.
23:10
Speaker 6: I think what she achieved today was to put the
23:13
Speaker 6: media on notice that they shouldn't be treating in the
23:16
Speaker 6: way they've treaded in the past. You know, those simple
23:19
Speaker 6: characterizations of being a racist, you know that might have
23:22
Speaker 6: worked in the past, but it's not going to work
23:24
Speaker 6: into the future. And really, if the media starts taking
23:27
Speaker 6: us seriously, she's achieved what she requires. The supporters will
23:31
Speaker 6: be energized by that. That's good. But she did also
23:34
Speaker 6: make comments about, you know, a problem she's had with
23:36
Speaker 6: the branch structure in the past and all that stuff
23:39
Speaker 6: that really she doesn't need to deal with if she's
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Speaker 6: going to go forward as a true opposition leader.
23:47
Speaker 2: No, that's true, A Cameron, Well, I think that's right.
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Speaker 7: But I did enjoy some of those lefty journalists getting
23:54
Speaker 7: it straight for down the barrel from her own service.
23:57
Speaker 7: The way she answer the questions so confidently it was
24:00
Speaker 7: it was actually.
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Speaker 2: Good to see. It was good to see.
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Speaker 7: But to your point, Michael, yeah, I mean I think
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Speaker 7: there are things that she doesn't need to talk about.
24:06
Speaker 2: It's not a confession session.
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Speaker 7: It was a speech to the press club, and I
24:10
Speaker 7: think the point before james succession, she walked in the
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Speaker 7: lines then and she came out a winner.
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Speaker 1: That's right.
24:16
Speaker 2: But Cameron, I would have thought there was a bit
24:19
Speaker 2: of Trump there, not some of Trump's worst stuff, but
24:23
Speaker 2: the idea of calling out the bias, but more than that,
24:27
Speaker 2: just making politics fun. And interesting, something for her supporters
24:32
Speaker 2: to cheer in a way that the Liberals don't get
24:34
Speaker 2: their supporters cheering.
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Speaker 7: Well, that's right, and I think she and Trump agree
24:40
Speaker 7: on what France, Germany, England looked like as well in
24:42
Speaker 7: her speech, I think in some of her commentary. So yeah, no,
24:44
Speaker 7: there were some lighter hearted moments there as well, in
24:47
Speaker 7: some bit of humor as well. But yes, I mean
24:49
Speaker 7: I think Pauline's not Trump. I mean, let's not complicate things.
24:52
Speaker 7: I mean, Pauline is her own person, after thirty years
24:54
Speaker 7: in politics, unvarnished, straight down the barrel of a camera,
24:58
Speaker 7: and she says what a lot of people thinking.
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't mean to suggest that at all. That's
25:04
Speaker 2: absolutely correct. What I did mean to say is simply
25:07
Speaker 2: that it's a hote. I mean, there'll be there would
25:10
Speaker 2: have been one national sport. It's high fiving each other
25:12
Speaker 2: to listen to that. Michael Costa, Cameron Milner, thank you
25:16
Speaker 2: very much to you both. After the break, Rowan Dean, well,
25:20
Speaker 2: I know it's a lot about Pauline Hanson, but I
25:22
Speaker 2: thought this speech is going to be really big as
25:25
Speaker 2: she was really giving it to an SPS reporter today.
25:28
Speaker 2: Plus Ben Robert Smith. What is defenders don't tell you? Look,
25:38
Speaker 2: I must, I must respond to what I'm again hearing
25:41
Speaker 2: in defense of Ben Robert Smith attempts to portray the
25:45
Speaker 2: prosecution of Australia's most decorated war hero as a persecution
25:50
Speaker 2: something sinister. But I want to specifically respond to the
25:54
Speaker 2: argument of one man for whom I actually have immense respect,
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Speaker 2: our greatest historian, Jeffrey Blain. Someone are considered to be
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Speaker 2: an honorable man. So I certainly do not include Blamey
26:06
Speaker 2: among the defenders of Ben Robert Smith, who are times
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Speaker 2: to me there seemed to be after the cliques, or
26:12
Speaker 2: the votes or the applause of fake patriots. I just
26:17
Speaker 2: wonder if Jeffrey has read closely what Robert Smith, our
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Speaker 2: most decorated war hero, like I said, is actually accused
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Speaker 2: of doing in Afghanistan. I asked, because in The Australian
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Speaker 2: last weekend, Jeffrey argue that charging Robert Smith with five
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Speaker 2: war crimes involving the murder of prisoners makes Australia weaker.
26:37
Speaker 2: He writes, if Robert Smith is convicted, the long term
26:40
Speaker 2: defense of the nation is potentially endangered. Why should young
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Speaker 2: men and women join the armed forces if in the
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Speaker 2: course of serving their nation on foreign soil, they are
26:51
Speaker 2: judged by their behavior in crisis where the normal homeland
26:55
Speaker 2: rules may not apply, and when their own life is
26:59
Speaker 2: in dame. Now, I've heard others make this same argument,
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Speaker 2: including here on Sky News, but I think they are wrong.
27:09
Speaker 2: Before I say why, I let me make clear that
27:10
Speaker 2: I'm not saying Robert Smith is guilty. That's for a
27:13
Speaker 2: court to decide. But people claim his prosecutions just persecution.
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Speaker 2: Should read the judgment of three Federal Court judges who
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Speaker 2: last year upheld an earlier finding that yes, Robert Smith
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Speaker 2: had indeed murdered or ordered the murder of bound prisoners
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Speaker 2: in Afghanistan. Now, of course, that was finding a defamation here,
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Speaker 2: which is made on the demandance of probabilities, and the
27:37
Speaker 2: standard of proof in war crimes trials that is higher.
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Speaker 2: It must be beyond reasonable doubt. Nevertheless, I quote the
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Speaker 2: three judges to show that claims that the ben Robert
27:49
Speaker 2: Smith charges involved soldiers killing in the heat of battle
27:53
Speaker 2: are simply false. They take the killing of two men
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Speaker 2: in a compound in Kagarak in April two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 2: over which Robert Smith has now been charged along with
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Speaker 2: three other killings he allegedly ordered. And Robert Smith was
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Speaker 2: a corporal and among essays soldiers searching the compound there
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Speaker 2: for weapons and Talaban guerrillas. The three judges right that
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Speaker 2: two Afghan nationals were discovered in a concealed tunnel and
28:20
Speaker 2: brought out into a courtyard. The judges say that one
28:24
Speaker 2: was an old man, the other a man with a
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Speaker 2: prosthetic leg. They were tied up and Robert Smith brought
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Speaker 2: one two a private referred to as Person four. It's
28:36
Speaker 2: the old man. They brought him to him. The judges
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Speaker 2: right Robert Smith kicked the old man in the back
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Speaker 2: of the legs, just behind the knees, and so he
28:44
Speaker 2: was kneeling down in front of Person four. He then
28:49
Speaker 2: pointed at the old man and said to Person four,
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Speaker 2: shoot him. Person four did so with the singles shot
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Speaker 2: to the old man's head. Another soldier said Person four
28:58
Speaker 2: then seemed to be in a bit of a shock.
29:01
Speaker 2: The judges say Robert Smith was later spotted by two
29:04
Speaker 2: Sas soldiers frog marching the one legged man, and one
29:08
Speaker 2: said he saw Robert Smith throw the man on the
29:10
Speaker 2: ground on his back. Robert Smith reached down, grabbed that
29:14
Speaker 2: man by the shoulder and flipped him over onto his stomach.
29:17
Speaker 2: He then lowered his machine gun and shot approximately three
29:21
Speaker 2: to five rounds into the man. Now, originally Robin Smith
29:24
Speaker 2: claimed the two Afghans had instead being shot when he
29:27
Speaker 2: spotted them armed and running outside the compound. The judges
29:31
Speaker 2: say this was false. Photographs confirmed the men were found
29:35
Speaker 2: inside the compound, and the weapons of Robert Smith claimed
29:39
Speaker 2: he saw on them had actually been found in a
29:41
Speaker 2: haystor by another soldier who gave evidence to that effect.
29:45
Speaker 2: So let's talk turkey. If what the federal court judges
29:49
Speaker 2: say is true, that's murder in cold blood, and don't
29:54
Speaker 2: tell me it makes us less safe. If our authorities
29:57
Speaker 2: now prosecuted Robert Smith, I should say, again, does plead innocence.
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Speaker 2: One of the oldest of international rules of war is
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Speaker 2: that you do not murder prisoners. That's the most fundamental
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Speaker 2: rule of the Geneva Conventions, first passed in eighteen sixty four,
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Speaker 2: now signed by one hundred and ninety four countries. These
30:18
Speaker 2: are rules that we hope protect our own soldiers too.
30:24
Speaker 2: Now for us, you know, only barbarians murder prisoners, or
30:27
Speaker 2: so I assumed we all thought, and that's why we
30:30
Speaker 2: loathe the Nazis for executing five Australian airmen caught after
30:34
Speaker 2: the Great Escape. That's why we condemn Japan for beheading
30:38
Speaker 2: Australian commando Sergeant Leonard George Stiffleet in nineteen forty three
30:46
Speaker 2: and machine gunning twenty one Australian nurses on Banker Island.
30:52
Speaker 2: I ask you which young Australians would want to serve
30:56
Speaker 2: in an army known for not taking seriously that its
31:00
Speaker 2: members had murdered prisoners, murdered the helpless, And which of
31:06
Speaker 2: our enemies would show them mercy if they were captured.
31:13
Speaker 2: Prosecuting Robert Smith does not make us less safe. It
31:17
Speaker 2: protects our soldiers and our nation's honor. The Vector. Pauline Hansen,
31:28
Speaker 2: like I said, she gave the media hell today at
31:31
Speaker 2: the National Press Club and said what many liberal politicians
31:33
Speaker 2: I would bet would love to have said, but don't dare, like,
31:39
Speaker 2: you know, turn the ABC into a subscription service like
31:42
Speaker 2: Sky News outside the country stations, so that you only
31:46
Speaker 2: pay for it if you use it, which the ABC
31:49
Speaker 2: is terrified of because no one would same with SBS,
31:52
Speaker 2: the Multicultural broadcaster and when a journalist from that very
31:56
Speaker 2: left wing SBS trying to take her onson was blunt.
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Speaker 8: You have said you want to abolish SBS. You said
32:05
Speaker 8: in your speech the internet has taken over the need
32:07
Speaker 8: for it. But SBS is providing Australian news in sixty languages,
32:12
Speaker 8: not international news alone.
32:14
Speaker 3: We've got seven isn't that in line too well too
32:18
Speaker 3: in La and then you've also got you know the
32:22
Speaker 3: other forms of Internet as well. Sky's great to go
32:25
Speaker 3: and look for news.
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Speaker 8: So I'm talking about in sixty languages help people integrate
32:30
Speaker 8: into Australia.
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Speaker 9: Look, I can understand your question.
32:33
Speaker 3: You're going to be without a job.
32:37
Speaker 2: It's true. Listen, if I want to hear Dutch news,
32:41
Speaker 2: I don't go to SBS as if you know, I'll
32:44
Speaker 2: go on the internet and most people do. You go
32:46
Speaker 2: to the Kenba. Look at all the satellite dishes for
32:49
Speaker 2: satellite to beam it out of the Gulf States or
32:52
Speaker 2: Iran or wherever it is they want to beam it
32:54
Speaker 2: out of. It's a joke. It's not needed. Joining me
32:59
Speaker 2: is Ron dean to and achieved the Spectator. Australia hosts
33:01
Speaker 2: of Outsiders every Sunday at nine am and hosts of
33:04
Speaker 2: his own show on Fridays at seven pm. I mean,
33:07
Speaker 2: right there, Rowan Hansom was speaking like no other political
33:12
Speaker 2: leader dares like. You know when this woman kept in systing, oh,
33:16
Speaker 2: you know news in foreign language, she said, well, they
33:20
Speaker 2: should be learning English before they come here. Then you
33:23
Speaker 2: don't need it, then they can integrate. Why are we
33:26
Speaker 2: paying for the ABC and SBS.
33:30
Speaker 10: Well, absolutely, and you're right to ask that question. You're
33:33
Speaker 10: right to point out as well that the Internet is
33:35
Speaker 10: there to provide whatever language services, whatever people need. And
33:39
Speaker 10: just to pick up on a point that Michael Costa
33:42
Speaker 10: I think incorrectly made earlier, Pauline Hanson is not talking
33:46
Speaker 10: about people not being allowed to speak their own language
33:48
Speaker 10: at home.
33:49
Speaker 1: What she was saying was why should the.
33:51
Speaker 10: Taxpayer pay or a service which is available on the
33:54
Speaker 10: Internet for people who don't speak English at home. But anyway,
33:56
Speaker 10: that would be my interpretation of it. But Andrew, you're
33:59
Speaker 10: right to point out today was the big day where
34:02
Speaker 10: we were going to learn, courtesy of the Mighty Canbra
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Speaker 10: Press Gallery, that the Emperor or the Empress had no clothes.
34:11
Speaker 10: This was the day when it was all going to
34:12
Speaker 10: be direct up that the mighty Press Gallery would show look,
34:16
Speaker 10: there's nothing there, there's no substance there, it's.
34:18
Speaker 1: All the sham. What happened? It went the other way round.
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Speaker 10: We did learn that the Emperor has no clothes, and
34:25
Speaker 10: that emperor is the Canberra Press Gallery, the mighty Canbra
34:29
Speaker 10: Press Gallery. We're also terrified, what are shambles? What a shallow,
34:34
Speaker 10: anti intellectual, pathetic mob they were with one exception, which
34:38
Speaker 10: I'll get onto in a section in a second, where
34:41
Speaker 10: let's just start with the great conservative writers and commentators,
34:44
Speaker 10: the very ones who over the past few months have
34:47
Speaker 10: been telling us in the Conservative media that Pauline Hansen
34:51
Speaker 10: is unfit to be the Prime minister. We had one
34:53
Speaker 10: character compmation to copproaches in a swamp and all this
34:58
Speaker 10: sort of stuff. Not a peep out of any they
35:00
Speaker 10: even there, I don't know to ask their questions. Nothing
35:03
Speaker 10: from the conservative media that landed a single blow on
35:06
Speaker 10: the big questions, which are, how do you get one
35:09
Speaker 10: nation and the coalition to not vampire each other?
35:11
Speaker 1: That's the big question. Nothing silence zip.
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Speaker 10: Then you've got the big heavy hitters, the big cannons
35:17
Speaker 10: of the left wing media. David Spears, who when he
35:20
Speaker 10: was on this network on Sky News was the best
35:24
Speaker 10: investigative journalist in Australia since the moment he went to
35:29
Speaker 10: the ABZ steady nothing nothing, he had his big moment.
35:34
Speaker 10: He just learned that he's going to be out of
35:36
Speaker 10: a job if Paul and Hanson wins or play some
35:39
Speaker 10: part in the next government. And he asked some weird
35:42
Speaker 10: questions about thinking forget what it was. It didn't land
35:45
Speaker 10: a blow, there was nothing at least the SPS girl
35:49
Speaker 10: that you just played.
35:50
Speaker 1: At least you asked something about SBS. Then you've got the.
35:53
Speaker 10: Hard left media or the side of the old legacy media,
35:57
Speaker 10: the conversation and weird questions for Michelle Bratton. None of
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Speaker 10: them actually landed a single blow. They had no clothes.
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Speaker 1: The emperor has no Well you talk about.
36:09
Speaker 2: It's so true. I mean the biter was bit and
36:12
Speaker 2: you talk about Michelle Gratton, right, who's the door in
36:16
Speaker 2: of the first category of journalists? You mentioned the Paul
36:18
Speaker 2: Killis and all that you know. And her question was
36:21
Speaker 2: are you really sure that that Tim Fisher, former Deputy
36:26
Speaker 2: Prime minister. Most Australians were so who Tom Fisher?
36:29
Speaker 1: Who?
36:29
Speaker 8: Too?
36:29
Speaker 2: Fisher really said a nasty thing to you? Back about
36:33
Speaker 2: last century and you think, what is that?
36:36
Speaker 5: What is that?
36:37
Speaker 2: I'm just now thinking Dutch but slat that no, you know,
36:41
Speaker 2: I mean it's just incredible, completely missing.
36:45
Speaker 10: Can I give you the one exception and I'm blowing
36:47
Speaker 10: the spectator Astralia's trumpet here.
36:49
Speaker 1: The one exception was Michael de Percy.
36:50
Speaker 2: From go Ahead, Go ahead now.
36:53
Speaker 10: Michael de Percy asked the one sensible, intelligent question that
36:57
Speaker 10: was asked in the entire press conference, and that is how.
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Speaker 1: Will one nation or a one nation.
37:03
Speaker 10: Infused government, part coalition but whatever, how will they cope
37:08
Speaker 10: with the Canberra bureaucracy And this is the key fundamental point,
37:14
Speaker 10: is riddled with Greens, hard left, hard labor people.
37:18
Speaker 1: There in every aspect of the bureaucracy.
37:20
Speaker 10: We saw them sabotage the National Press Club. What's going
37:25
Speaker 10: to stop them sabotaging every aspect and government? If one
37:30
Speaker 10: nation is involved in the next.
37:32
Speaker 1: Government, that's the key question.
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Speaker 10: And Pauline Hanson was absolutely right to recognize that every
37:38
Speaker 10: single head of government, along with those ABC and SBS journalists,
37:42
Speaker 10: should be looking very carefully at whether they're the right
37:45
Speaker 10: people to be able to introduce the sorts of policies
37:49
Speaker 10: that one nation of promising.
37:52
Speaker 2: Oh, you make an excellent point. I mean I asked
37:54
Speaker 2: the lead Phenonsalin that the other night he has worked
37:57
Speaker 2: in Treasury, the ECONOMI sleep Finonsolin, great guy, and he
38:01
Speaker 2: said it's quite true. I mean, you know, these are
38:03
Speaker 2: quite left wing captured bureaucracies and they will do the
38:09
Speaker 2: minister number on one nation unless our nation is very
38:13
Speaker 2: very smart but very very good advisors, of whom it's
38:16
Speaker 2: got too few at the moment to employ. I mean
38:19
Speaker 2: Albanize has kept them to just two anyway. But over
38:23
Speaker 2: all the speech, Rowan I think it was Michael was saying.
38:27
Speaker 2: I don't mean to pick on Michael too, but Michael
38:29
Speaker 2: was saying a few people to watch that speech. But
38:32
Speaker 2: for me, the punchlines would be all over the news.
38:35
Speaker 2: I saw one of the news. I think Channel nine
38:36
Speaker 2: tonight led with it, another Channel seven at number four.
38:40
Speaker 2: Maybe it was the other way around. What do you
38:42
Speaker 2: think this will do for one nation? Because I think
38:45
Speaker 2: those punchlines are really going to hit home and all
38:48
Speaker 2: the TV sets around the country.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely.
38:51
Speaker 10: And the critical thing was, for the first time ever,
38:54
Speaker 10: many taboos were confronted, and that's why the Candrapress gallery
38:59
Speaker 10: was so shocked and stunned because no one's ever raised
39:02
Speaker 10: the taboos. I think Angus Taylor could so easily have said,
39:05
Speaker 10: you know what, we're going to get rid of the
39:06
Speaker 10: SBS and we're gonna make ABC. It ties in with
39:11
Speaker 10: every single so called couldn't as a Rhodes scholar, McKinsey,
39:16
Speaker 10: whatever he is, he knows that that is the only
39:19
Speaker 10: future that the ABC has, so easy for himself. Wow,
39:25
Speaker 10: how you guys were all mates together? Hey m apk no, no, no, no, no,
39:29
Speaker 10: this is that was just.
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Speaker 1: One taboo roan if he said that.
39:34
Speaker 2: Rubbish, If he said that Tim Wilson would have a
39:37
Speaker 2: fainting fit, you know, and some of the others of
39:40
Speaker 2: the back bench, what we listened to the ABC, all
39:43
Speaker 2: our best friends listen to the ABC. No, that's why
39:46
Speaker 2: he can't do it. And in his position, he can't
39:48
Speaker 2: afford a single enemy. He had the whole ABC against him.
39:51
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, Ron, but it wasn't a
39:54
Speaker 2: delicious to see Pauline Hanson say what they don't dare
39:58
Speaker 2: rown Dene, thank you so much indeed for your time.
40:01
Speaker 2: Great chat after they break Gemantonini and Carolyn Drusso on
40:05
Speaker 2: Hanson's amazing speech and more. Now I've gopt a lot
40:14
Speaker 2: of abuseful warning that Donald Trump, for all the good
40:16
Speaker 2: he's done fighting work culture, says some damn stupid and
40:21
Speaker 2: dangerous things like what it's saying now to justify your
40:24
Speaker 2: set out to it Iran, this stupid peace deal and
40:28
Speaker 2: savaging Israel's prime minister still defending this country from the
40:31
Speaker 2: Hesbela terrorists that around funds, when Trump's fake peace deal
40:35
Speaker 2: says that fighting should stop, I haven't heard anything much
40:40
Speaker 2: crazier than this for a long time.
40:44
Speaker 11: Israel's fighting has blood too long, and too many people
40:47
Speaker 11: are being killed. And you don't have to knock down
40:50
Speaker 11: an apartment house every time you're looking for somebody, because
40:53
Speaker 11: there are a lot of people in those apartment houses
40:55
Speaker 11: and they're not all Hasbala, that I can tell you.
40:58
Speaker 2: And I suggested.
41:00
Speaker 1: Israel to let Siria take care.
41:02
Speaker 2: Of haswell is to be honest with you, I.
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Speaker 11: Think they'll do a better job of doing it.
41:08
Speaker 2: Bolt talk from the president of a country that in
41:11
Speaker 2: the around war bomb a girls' school and this line
41:15
Speaker 2: Syria would do a better job of fighting Islamus Syria,
41:20
Speaker 2: whose president was an alkaed a terrorist who Syria ever
41:24
Speaker 2: did go to fight Hesbalah, it would be a total
41:27
Speaker 2: blood bath. Yet here is Trump trashing Israel and talking
41:31
Speaker 2: up ex Khaida to defend a deal with Iran's terror regime,
41:36
Speaker 2: joining me a gem and Tonini colonists and communications consultant,
41:39
Speaker 2: and Karenineer Usso commentary and president of the West Straian Liberals.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Jemma, for Trump now to be turning on
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Speaker 2: Israel like this, I mean to me, it just shows, well,
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Speaker 2: is the world more dangerous with him or safer?
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Speaker 12: Well, I think it depends on what day we're talking about,
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Speaker 12: doesn't it.
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Speaker 9: Andrew, I'm like you, I.
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Speaker 5: Was really good point.
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Speaker 12: I was really shocked by those comments. They don't seem
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Speaker 12: rooted in any kind of reality. And certainly the coverage
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Speaker 12: that I've been able to read since this deal, whatever
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Speaker 12: it is, has been flagged from both the Iranian diaspora
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Speaker 12: and those within Iran who are able to communicate with
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Speaker 12: us in the Western world. It's this sense of betrayal,
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Speaker 12: it's this sense of you told us that help was
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Speaker 12: coming up.
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Speaker 9: It was February or late January.
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Speaker 12: Donald Trump released a statement on his Truth social platform
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Speaker 12: saying to the people of Iran, you know help is coming,
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Speaker 12: Hang in there and just imagine, like you know, you know,
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Speaker 12: these people play god, and they play these games at
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Speaker 12: a global scale, and these are people's lives. He talked
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Speaker 12: about lives in Hezbola and in Lebanon and those sorts
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Speaker 12: of things.
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Speaker 9: What about a woman or a young man.
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Speaker 12: But in my particular case, my interest is the erasure
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Speaker 12: of women in some of these extremist Islamic countries. You're
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Speaker 12: living in Iran and you hear from this man who's
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Speaker 12: supposed to be a game changer that help is on
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Speaker 12: the way, and maybe you might be able to go
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Speaker 12: out without your hair covered up, without being murdered. Maybe
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Speaker 12: you might be able to sing, Maybe you might be
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Speaker 12: able to choose the career of of your pleasing. Maybe
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Speaker 12: just maybe you might be able to leave the country
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Speaker 12: without the permission of your father, your husband, or your brother.
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Speaker 12: And then to find out that he's sold out to
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Speaker 12: this regime, I don't know what to say.
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Speaker 9: It is a terrible, terrible state of affairs.
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Speaker 2: Well, you can sell out to the regime if you
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Speaker 2: know a force majeur, and you can do no other,
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Speaker 2: But don't try to paint it like you know, God's
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Speaker 2: gift and don't start selling out Israel. Honestly, I really
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Speaker 2: don't get a Caroline the Trump factor, what do you
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Speaker 2: make of it?
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Speaker 13: Well, I think you summed it up really well at
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Speaker 13: the beginning. He has done some things really well and
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Speaker 13: some things really poorly. And sometimes when he does those
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Speaker 13: things really poorly. I often tried to think about, you know,
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Speaker 13: what's motivating or who have you taken advice on, or
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Speaker 13: how did your brain get to.
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Speaker 9: This point because I.
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Speaker 13: Often don't understand and the comments today, I don't understand
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Speaker 13: how your brain gets to there, given where you've.
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Speaker 5: Been to so far.
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Speaker 13: But to a broader point, this is what happens when
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Speaker 13: you have disruptors and they do things which are good,
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Speaker 13: and then they do things which are totally irreconcilable, and
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Speaker 13: that there is part of the volatility that they bring
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Speaker 13: to the system. And sometimes we agree with it and
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Speaker 13: sometimes we don't. But ultimately, you know, I know that
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Speaker 13: there is definitely a broader and international move for disruptors
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Speaker 13: in politics, But you know, Andrew, sometimes we end up
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Speaker 13: with things which just are not are not helpful, which
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Speaker 13: are not good, and obviously it's leading up to the
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Speaker 13: mid terms for Donald Trump, and no doubt he's trying
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Speaker 13: to position this narrative so that it helps him in
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Speaker 13: the polls in November.
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Speaker 2: Got that, I got that. But honestly, Jimy, let me
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Speaker 2: stick with you before no, let me go to Jemma,
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Speaker 2: Jemma Pauline Hanson's speech. Wouldn't you you have loved to
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Speaker 2: hear liberals speaking freely like that? Because I know a
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Speaker 2: lot of lot would lot wouldn't but a lot would?
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Speaker 2: You know? Damn the torpedoes full steam ahead. You don't
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Speaker 2: get any that dare do what you just heard?
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Speaker 9: Well?
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Speaker 12: Can I take a different perspective? I think what we
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Speaker 12: heard today was what we've always heard from Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 12: So we've heard her shoot from the hip use that
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Speaker 12: phrase for thirty odd years in parliament. I think we're
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Speaker 12: hearing a different version of her, which is normal because
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Speaker 12: people change and they grow and evolve.
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Speaker 9: I think that.
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Speaker 12: Manner coming from any one of the Liberal Party leaders
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Speaker 12: you just wouldn't suit them because it isn't them. Would
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Speaker 12: I like to see the Liberal Party more forthright?
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Speaker 2: This isn't them?
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Speaker 8: No?
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Speaker 12: But what I mean is what I mean is I
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Speaker 12: don't know, no, I agree, Yeah, like I would like
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Speaker 12: to see the Liberal Party a little bit more forthright,
45:50
Speaker 12: but I'm actually not too bothered about where we are
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Speaker 12: right now. I think this is, as Carolin just said,
45:54
Speaker 12: we're talking about disruptors. You've got a thirty year old
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Speaker 12: disruptor whose moment seemingly has a and is arriving, and
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Speaker 12: we're watching it all play out, and from my perspective,
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Speaker 12: doing my best to stay sane in the midst of it, Andrew,
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Speaker 12: but also taking the posture of stepping stepping back a
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Speaker 12: bit and allowing myself to try to interrogate the why
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Speaker 12: not so much react and respond to the what, and
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Speaker 12: also like discerning the times whatever that was today. And
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Speaker 12: I'm not going to give them any more airtime. It
46:23
Speaker 12: wasn't the win that they think that that it was.
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Speaker 12: I reckon all the Trotsky's down at the A and
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Speaker 12: U bar down the tavern at the A and you
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Speaker 12: will be going, oh, yeah, great, move, let's move like
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Speaker 12: that's the level that they were appealing to. So I
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Speaker 12: don't by any means I think that's right.
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Speaker 2: I think that's right. But Caroline, this is the point,
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Speaker 2: isn't it. We've gone from a time when the protesters
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Speaker 2: were seen salt out by journalists as truth tellers, and
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Speaker 2: just about every journalist i've heard comment on what happened
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Speaker 2: in that press club said that is just too much.
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Speaker 2: That's backfar. I think we've passed the different stage in
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Speaker 2: our culture where people like that are just damn nuisances
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Speaker 2: and damned as damn nuisances and actually adding win to
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's sales.
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Speaker 9: Well one hundred percent.
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Speaker 13: Andrew and some people on the left have worked out
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Speaker 13: that the more of this carry on that happens, the
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Speaker 13: more that it actually helps Pauline prove her point. Some
47:22
Speaker 13: of the smarter ones have have dialed it back a
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Speaker 13: little bit, and I mean by all means, if she
47:27
Speaker 13: wants to be a leader of a credible party, she
47:30
Speaker 13: has to be accountable. But that sort of stunt. I
47:33
Speaker 13: don't think that there was anyone, you know, unless you've
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Speaker 13: not recently graduated university, who thought that there was anything
47:41
Speaker 13: in that that was helpful, that proved a substantial point,
47:45
Speaker 13: And I actually think, to be honest, was actually really
47:48
Speaker 13: quite embarrassing. But you know, to the point that Gemma
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Speaker 13: was making, you know, the Liberal Party, I think and
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Speaker 13: I take your point that there needs to be that
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Speaker 13: clarity and there needs to be that conviction, but there
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Speaker 13: needs to be the credibility in the message. And it
48:03
Speaker 13: goes back a little bit to my first answer, where
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Speaker 13: you know, I don't want the country blown up. I
48:09
Speaker 13: don't think there needs to be a revolution. Yes, there
48:11
Speaker 13: are things that need to be fixed, but we are
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Speaker 13: not broken in a way that I would say somewhere
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Speaker 13: like the UK is. So yes, we need firm governance,
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Speaker 13: but it's not just the what, it's the who and.
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Speaker 9: The how and how do we do it properly?
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Speaker 13: Because Andrew, no one wakes up the day after a
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Speaker 13: revolution and says, gosh, isn't this wonderful?
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Speaker 2: After the industrial revolution happened, I thought this is pretty cool, but.
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Speaker 9: Maybe talking about.
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Speaker 2: Ladies. Thank you, said very much, Gimtony Karen lydus so lovely.
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Speaker 2: Coming up next this caroenon Marcus filling in for charity.
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Speaker 2: Good Night