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- 0:03This is the Horse Human Connection, a captivating podcast where we extend into the world of equine assisted learning, horse training.
- 0:12and gentleness in working with these magnificent creatures.
- 0:18Captivating stories from the leading professionals and ordinary people alike unravel novel ideas in being with horses.
- 0:26The Horse Human Connection is an idea, a place, and a voice.
- 0:32The idea is to support the quiet revolution and recognize the intelligence and true nature of the horse.
- 0:40The place is a destination farm near the Umpqua Forest and River that slows down visitors and patrons enough to experience the shift.
- 0:49The Voice is this podcast.
- 0:52Welcome to today's episode.
- 1:03MacBook Air Microphone: Welcome to another episode of the horse human connection matrix.
- 1:08MacBook Air Microphone: I am here with my best friend, Diane.
- 1:11MacBook Air Microphone: Hello.
- 1:14MacBook Air Microphone: How are you today?
- 1:14MacBook Air Microphone: Is she.
- 1:16MacBook Air Microphone: I'm doing good.
- 1:16MacBook Air Microphone: I'm doing good.
- 1:17MacBook Air Microphone: So what are we going to talk about?
- 1:19MacBook Air Microphone: Well, I was hoping maybe you could tell me another one of your stories about some of your horses or one of your horses.
- 1:25MacBook Air Microphone: All right.
- 1:25MacBook Air Microphone: Let's do that.
- 1:26MacBook Air Microphone: Okay.
- 1:26MacBook Air Microphone: So.
- 1:28MacBook Air Microphone: One of the horses that I.
- 1:30MacBook Air Microphone: High limit losing him.
- 1:31MacBook Air Microphone: His name originally was hula Kai, which means a wave dancer.
- 1:36MacBook Air Microphone: And he came to us on my birthday.
- 1:39MacBook Air Microphone: This was back in.
- 1:40MacBook Air Microphone: Like 2012 ish when a horses were going for free, in our county.
- 1:46MacBook Air Microphone: And there were a lot of ads on Craigslist.
- 1:48MacBook Air Microphone: And he was to be the horse of my step son, Christian.
- 1:52MacBook Air Microphone: And we went to go pick him up.
- 1:55MacBook Air Microphone: The people said, you know, we really don't need them anymore.
- 1:58MacBook Air Microphone: We were going to use them for a pack horse, but he's not really working out.
- 2:01MacBook Air Microphone: Haven't had time to train him and he was living with a bunch of goats.
- 2:05MacBook Air Microphone: And he really bonded with Christian right away, latest head on Christians, chest and Christians, a very gentle soul.
- 2:13MacBook Air Microphone: So it took him about half an hour for the guys to get this horse in the trailer.
- 2:17MacBook Air Microphone: And we brought him home.
- 2:19MacBook Air Microphone: And at this point, I cringe about the ignorance that we had back then.
- 2:25MacBook Air Microphone: I just, I cringe because we used to chase horses around the round pen, trying to dominate them loudly and bigly.
- 2:33MacBook Air Microphone: And make them run fast because we thought that if they ran faster on the round pen, they would sir come to us.
- 2:38MacBook Air Microphone: And that was kind of the goal back then.
- 2:42MacBook Air Microphone: That was probably the mainstream accepted.
- 2:45MacBook Air Microphone: It was, so it was very mainstream back then at sprouted out of Monte Roberts.
- 2:49MacBook Air Microphone: Although our application of it was horrendously.
- 2:53MacBook Air Microphone: Rough.
- 2:53MacBook Air Microphone: Horrendously ref.
- 2:57MacBook Air Microphone: Anyway Christian ended up moving to Hawaii and hula Kai became hula PI because he was so sweet.
- 3:05MacBook Air Microphone: I really liked this horse he was a BLM branded.
- 3:09MacBook Air Microphone: Mustang.
- 3:10MacBook Air Microphone: And he was also a foundation Appaloosa.
- 3:13MacBook Air Microphone: Okay.
- 3:14MacBook Air Microphone: That was that he didn't have features a lot of features of a Mustang.
- 3:18MacBook Air Microphone: Well, he.
- 3:20MacBook Air Microphone: He did.
- 3:20MacBook Air Microphone: I mean, Mustang, that's a, that's a good point, Diane, because Mustang has a lot of different connotations.
- 3:28MacBook Air Microphone: Literally, there are no wild horses in America because all of them have some past history of having been domesticated.
- 3:37MacBook Air Microphone: So technically they are feral.
- 3:39MacBook Air Microphone: And although we might think about some Mustang, characteristics of kind of a flat nose and a little bit of a broader face.
- 3:47MacBook Air Microphone: Really there's so many horses have been introduced into the wilds.
- 3:51MacBook Air Microphone: inTo the feral herds that you can have anything you could have draft, you could have Arabian, you could have Appaloosa.
- 3:59MacBook Air Microphone: Correct like PI was, but he was very Appaloosa.
- 4:02MacBook Air Microphone: Like there was no doubt.
- 4:04MacBook Air Microphone: And Appaloosa's come from.
- 4:07MacBook Air Microphone: thE Nez Perce tribe.
- 4:08MacBook Air Microphone: So they were wore ponies.
- 4:10MacBook Air Microphone: They were a specific breed and they were really, their history is being more ponies.
- 4:16MacBook Air Microphone: So anyways Eventually.
- 4:20MacBook Air Microphone: I was left.
- 4:22MacBook Air Microphone: On this ranch with a lot of animals, including the horse pie.
- 4:27MacBook Air Microphone: And every time I tried to walk him, Around this Knoll from one side to the other.
- 4:33MacBook Air Microphone: And I was not a very experienced horse person.
- 4:35MacBook Air Microphone: At this point, he would rear up create a Fest turn in circles.
- 4:39MacBook Air Microphone: Push me around.
- 4:41MacBook Air Microphone: And create such a stink that I would turn around and go back.
- 4:44MacBook Air Microphone: He just did not want to be separate from the other horses.
- 4:47MacBook Air Microphone: And now knowing what I know it makes perfect sense.
- 4:49MacBook Air Microphone: And I understand that.
- 4:51MacBook Air Microphone: Much much better.
- 4:57MacBook Air Microphone: Well, and I'm pretty much a novice when it comes to two horses still I'm learning since I've met you and And enjoy them.
- 5:05MacBook Air Microphone: PI was, was a really a sweet horse.
- 5:07MacBook Air Microphone: He was really.
- 5:09MacBook Air Microphone: He was, he was a good soul.
- 5:11MacBook Air Microphone: He was, he, he was very sweet, but he had a, he had a side to him.
- 5:15MacBook Air Microphone: I took some lessons on PI.
- 5:18MacBook Air Microphone: frOm Chrissa and I would get a little triggered being on him because I couldn't handle them.
- 5:23MacBook Air Microphone: He didn't respond really well to my aides.
- 5:25MacBook Air Microphone: And so I would get up, as I say kind of triggered having some.
- 5:30MacBook Air Microphone: Probably some adrenaline going on and, and he would respond in like, kind to that.
- 5:37MacBook Air Microphone: So Chris being as wise as she was, she would have a psych attempt to go from point a to point B and have me work on some particular aid strategy is to keep him moving forward in a straight line.
- 5:49MacBook Air Microphone: Which involved, not always moving forward.
- 5:52MacBook Air Microphone: And every single time I would look back at where we were as I was learning to use these aids to counter his maneuvers, he would come up with a new countermove.
- 6:03MacBook Air Microphone: And we would be.
- 6:06MacBook Air Microphone: Much closer to point a to point B where we were headed.
- 6:09MacBook Air Microphone: When I looked back.
- 6:11MacBook Air Microphone: Somehow he had just arranged for us not to get where the intention was that we were going.
- 6:16MacBook Air Microphone: But fortunately, We were always focused on what I was learning, not where we were going.
- 6:24MacBook Air Microphone: So it wasn't a control struggle.
- 6:26MacBook Air Microphone: One of my favorite memories of PI.
- 6:29MacBook Air Microphone: I was going on a ride with my ex-husband and I rode PI bear back in a halter.
- 6:35MacBook Air Microphone: Is he, a lot of times he didn't want to put equipment on.
- 6:38MacBook Air Microphone: So I was like, okay, let's just go.
- 6:40MacBook Air Microphone: And he was so congenial on this summer, August, summer day.
- 6:44MacBook Air Microphone: And my, my ex-husband got on, on his horse and I got on PI and.
- 6:49MacBook Air Microphone: We went way up the hill, way up on the property where the, the.
- 6:52MacBook Air Microphone: The best juiciest blackberries were and PI parked us at at a level where we could reach the barriers and he could reach the berries.
- 7:01MacBook Air Microphone: And we had our fill of berries and went on around.
- 7:06MacBook Air Microphone: Some other parts of the trail with, with PI leading, this was one of those co-created rides that was so magical because.
- 7:13MacBook Air Microphone: I didn't care where we went.
- 7:15MacBook Air Microphone: Nobody cared where we went and PI was showing us.
- 7:18MacBook Air Microphone: He was showing us around.
- 7:20MacBook Air Microphone: And when we got back.
- 7:22MacBook Air Microphone: I, when I got off, I saw his face.
- 7:24MacBook Air Microphone: Like being an Appaloosa, he had a white, gray head.
- 7:28MacBook Air Microphone: And his whole front of his face around his mouth is covered in purple from the blackberries.
- 7:37MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah, he was really something.
- 7:38MacBook Air Microphone: So PI ended up with With cancer and the way we discovered.
- 7:44MacBook Air Microphone: His cancer.
- 7:46MacBook Air Microphone: Is every time people came again, I was not an experienced horse person.
- 7:51MacBook Air Microphone: So every time a more experienced horse person came to the ranch.
- 7:54MacBook Air Microphone: PI would arrange to get in front of them.
- 7:57MacBook Air Microphone: And drop his penis.
- 8:00MacBook Air Microphone: And people were like, what's going on with that?
- 8:04MacBook Air Microphone: As I just never noticed, I just didn't have those powers of observation back then.
- 8:09MacBook Air Microphone: And I'm gradually, you know, eventually I called the vet and that came out and.
- 8:15MacBook Air Microphone: And diagnosed him with.
- 8:19MacBook Air Microphone: The first diagnosis wasn't cancer.
- 8:21MacBook Air Microphone: It was something else.
- 8:22MacBook Air Microphone: So we treated whatever that was.
- 8:24MacBook Air Microphone: And it didn't go away.
- 8:25MacBook Air Microphone: So eventually we got the diagnosis of melanoma.
- 8:30MacBook Air Microphone: I choose a type of skin cancer, which is not uncommon in lighter animals or white horses.
- 8:36MacBook Air Microphone: And PI had a fair amount of white on him.
- 8:37MacBook Air Microphone: He was white and gray and dappled, but with the spots and.
- 8:42MacBook Air Microphone: Ah, so that's what it was.
- 8:43MacBook Air Microphone: And we treated it.
- 8:44MacBook Air Microphone: We did many rounds of chemotherapy and then we did a surgery and.
- 8:49MacBook Air Microphone: iT didn't end up working.
- 8:50MacBook Air Microphone: Long-term.
- 8:52MacBook Air Microphone: But it put him through quite a lot.
- 8:55MacBook Air Microphone: Coming home from the surgery.
- 8:58MacBook Air Microphone: I will never forget his Winnie coming out of the trailer and calling to the girls.
- 9:02MacBook Air Microphone: And it was as if he was saying I'm back I'm home.
- 9:05MacBook Air Microphone: I made it.
- 9:06MacBook Air Microphone: And he was so cute yet, this kind of paddle footed little walk and.
- 9:12MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah.
- 9:13MacBook Air Microphone: So he had quite a journey of a lot of pain, but.
- 9:17MacBook Air Microphone: I remember another time.
- 9:20MacBook Air Microphone: This was way before.
- 9:21MacBook Air Microphone: So PI came back to the ranch, but I'm going to go.
- 9:23MacBook Air Microphone: So this is like way back in time when he was still new and we had six horses.
- 9:29MacBook Air Microphone: And six goats and three minutes are donkeys.
- 9:33MacBook Air Microphone: And two holy cows and then the head of black Angus all at the ranch.
- 9:37MacBook Air Microphone: So this is way back when and PI was put in an electric fenced pasture.
- 9:43MacBook Air Microphone: With two other horses and other Mustang named his name was Zeus to begin with, but we kept calling them.
- 9:48MacBook Air Microphone: Hey, Zeus.
- 9:48MacBook Air Microphone: And so pretty soon as name became exist.
- 9:52MacBook Air Microphone: And and a beautiful red headed.
- 9:55MacBook Air Microphone: Tennessee Walker named Maddy.
- 9:57MacBook Air Microphone: And the three of them were put in this one pasture and something happened.
- 10:02MacBook Air Microphone: I think both the geldings had a crush on Maddie.
- 10:05MacBook Air Microphone: And PI became.
- 10:07MacBook Air Microphone: Very disgruntled.
- 10:10MacBook Air Microphone: And I kept looking out at this pasture with a big water and trough a hundred gallon stainless steel watering trough.
- 10:18MacBook Air Microphone: And for three days, he stood in the same spot in front of this watering trough.
- 10:21MacBook Air Microphone: And at first I went over and checked the water and there was plenty of water that wasn't the problem.
- 10:25MacBook Air Microphone: When I noticed after three days that he had not moved and he had not eaten.
- 10:29MacBook Air Microphone: I realized he was, he was having a sit in.
- 10:33MacBook Air Microphone: He was boycotting being in this pasture.
- 10:35MacBook Air Microphone: We had other electric taped pastures.
- 10:38MacBook Air Microphone: so I moved him, but this was another one of my, this was during the time period.
- 10:43MacBook Air Microphone: If you've listened to the other stories of co-created rides and.
- 10:46MacBook Air Microphone: And Firefly and.
- 10:49MacBook Air Microphone: And all of that, that.
- 10:53MacBook Air Microphone: I was coming to learn horses, communicate.
- 10:58MacBook Air Microphone: Quite well, if you pay attention.
- 11:02MacBook Air Microphone: And I feel bad cause it took me three days to notice and to know, but I mean, that's where I was then.
- 11:08MacBook Air Microphone: So I moved him in and he ate and he drank and he was so much happier.
- 11:12MacBook Air Microphone: Never really figured out exactly what all that was, but I'm pretty sure it was just the dynamic with the other horses.
- 11:18MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 11:20MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah, they definitely let you know.
- 11:23MacBook Air Microphone: If you.
- 11:24MacBook Air Microphone: Take the time to.
- 11:25MacBook Air Microphone: Listen.
- 11:27MacBook Air Microphone: They do.
- 11:28MacBook Air Microphone: It's like I kinda think about.
- 11:31MacBook Air Microphone: I don't know if you've ever known people like this, but you tell them something and they're not listening.
- 11:35MacBook Air Microphone: And you tell them again, and you know, they're not hearing you, they're ignoring you and you say it again and pretty soon.
- 11:41MacBook Air Microphone: The inclination is either, you know, to yell or take an action.
- 11:45MacBook Air Microphone: Or to just quit asking.
- 11:47MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 11:49MacBook Air Microphone: Depending on your personality.
- 11:50MacBook Air Microphone: And I think so many horses do that.
- 11:53MacBook Air Microphone: We're not paying attention.
- 11:54MacBook Air Microphone: We're oblivious.
- 11:57MacBook Air Microphone: And they just think humans are way too stupid.
- 12:00MacBook Air Microphone: Why would I bother trying to communicate with them?
- 12:02MacBook Air Microphone: This is so obvious in the horse world, and they're completely ignoring all of our attempts to tell them what the problems are.
- 12:10MacBook Air Microphone: I really think it's like that for a lot of horses in many situations.
- 12:15MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 12:18MacBook Air Microphone: Well, we get busy.
- 12:20MacBook Air Microphone: Thinking we're the boss.
- 12:21MacBook Air Microphone: We're the king.
- 12:22MacBook Air Microphone: We're the.
- 12:24MacBook Air Microphone: The dominant and.
- 12:26MacBook Air Microphone: Doing our own thing.
- 12:30MacBook Air Microphone: Instead of trying to.
- 12:32MacBook Air Microphone: B one with the horses and.
- 12:36MacBook Air Microphone: Listening to them.
- 12:38MacBook Air Microphone: And just being, you know having a relationship rather than just I'm here.
- 12:42MacBook Air Microphone: You were there.
- 12:43MacBook Air Microphone: Exactly.
- 12:44MacBook Air Microphone: It's about the relationship.
- 12:46MacBook Air Microphone: And that relationship isn't just when they're out of their stall or out of their pasture.
- 12:50MacBook Air Microphone: I mean for them.
- 12:52MacBook Air Microphone: If you allow it, that relationship is off the time.
- 12:56MacBook Air Microphone: I think that's why people instinctually that are horse owners want their horses at home, not in a barn.
- 13:02MacBook Air Microphone: At some point.
- 13:04MacBook Air Microphone: In most horse owners lives.
- 13:06MacBook Air Microphone: If it's an option at all.
- 13:08MacBook Air Microphone: They're going to want to move, to stay away from stabling their horse at a barn or arena to having them home, where they can have more interactions with them on a daily basis.
- 13:21MacBook Air Microphone: So PI was sick.
- 13:22MacBook Air Microphone: PI was the horse that when I got back from equanimity resorts in British Columbia, And I said to the herd, you know, if we're going to do these case studies, like I wanted to do and re relive what I experienced at equanimity, which is where if you open your heart, the horses laid down and people cuddle with horses.
- 13:40MacBook Air Microphone: Like you cuddle with your dog.
- 13:41MacBook Air Microphone: And when I first saw that on Facebook, I was like, I have to go there.
- 13:45MacBook Air Microphone: So I did.
- 13:47MacBook Air Microphone: Well, when I got home, everything was different.
- 13:49MacBook Air Microphone: And one of the things that was so different.
- 13:53MacBook Air Microphone: Was when I said this to PI because they work, you know, pinning their ears and chasing each other around this, this pen and being kind of nasty.
- 14:00MacBook Air Microphone: And I was, I had the thought, well, if I bring people in to do the case studies, this is not the way they were heard up there reacted.
- 14:08MacBook Air Microphone: They were calm.
- 14:09MacBook Air Microphone: Somebody is going to get hurt.
- 14:10MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 14:11MacBook Air Microphone: And I said that, I said, I'm going to need to trust you.
- 14:14MacBook Air Microphone: And at that moment, Pilate down.
- 14:17MacBook Air Microphone: At my feet, he had never done that before he laid down.
- 14:20MacBook Air Microphone: And I was like, wow.
- 14:23MacBook Air Microphone: Okay.
- 14:24MacBook Air Microphone: Well, I was able to bring home.
- 14:26MacBook Air Microphone: The magic of what happened at equanimity.
- 14:30MacBook Air Microphone: And from there we started in Dawn case studies.
- 14:35MacBook Air Microphone: And PI was the star.
- 14:36MacBook Air Microphone: Oh my gosh.
- 14:37MacBook Air Microphone: She was such a star.
- 14:39MacBook Air Microphone: One of my favorite examples of one of these cases and remind me, let me explain that my job in the case study was to do nothing.
- 14:47MacBook Air Microphone: And my mantra.
- 14:49MacBook Air Microphone: And my mantra that I had to tell people that came to do the case studies was trust and allow trust and allow.
- 14:57MacBook Air Microphone: So my job was to just take notes on what the horses did, and that might be nuzzling people, big yawns and eye rolls.
- 15:06MacBook Air Microphone: Urinating, farting swishing, tails.
- 15:09MacBook Air Microphone: Licking and chewing, blinking.
- 15:12MacBook Air Microphone: And I didn't know this, but crying horses, shed tears.
- 15:16MacBook Air Microphone: They actually cry like humans.
- 15:19MacBook Air Microphone: I did not know that.
- 15:21MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah.
- 15:22MacBook Air Microphone: So one of my favorite examples.
- 15:24MacBook Air Microphone: So there was this horse woman who came to do a case study.
- 15:28MacBook Air Microphone: And it's as if the horses knew, depending on the people, what exposure they'd had to horses, like they just sense this.
- 15:33MacBook Air Microphone: Some people were afraid horses would work 10, 15 feet away from the people, but if they knew that the person was comfortable with horses they would come in much closer.
- 15:43MacBook Air Microphone: So PI came up to interact with this woman.
- 15:46MacBook Air Microphone: Who had long hair in a hair clip and he took the hair clip out of her hair with his teeth.
- 15:53MacBook Air Microphone: And she kind of laughed about it, twisted her hair back up, put the clip back in and stood in front of him.
- 16:00MacBook Air Microphone: He took the clip out again.
- 16:02MacBook Air Microphone: And she's like, okay.
- 16:04MacBook Air Microphone: And she put the clip in her pocket.
- 16:07MacBook Air Microphone: Next, he put his teeth on her wrist, where there was a little beaded bracelet.
- 16:13MacBook Air Microphone: On an elastic string.
- 16:15MacBook Air Microphone: And he, he snapped the elastic with his teeth on her wrist.
- 16:20MacBook Air Microphone: And she was like, okay.
- 16:22MacBook Air Microphone: And she took the bracelet off and she stuck it in her pocket with the hair clip.
- 16:26MacBook Air Microphone: And she kind of looked at me like this is weird.
- 16:29MacBook Air Microphone: And next he took her zipper jacket.
- 16:33MacBook Air Microphone: In his teeth.
- 16:34MacBook Air Microphone: You haven't heard this story before Diane.
- 16:36MacBook Air Microphone: He took her zipper jacket in his teeth and he unzipped her jacket.
- 16:43MacBook Air Microphone: And she's like, all right.
- 16:45MacBook Air Microphone: She was also, by the way.
- 16:46MacBook Air Microphone: Part-time massage therapist.
- 16:47MacBook Air Microphone: So she actually made a comment like, all right, I get the drill.
- 16:50MacBook Air Microphone: And she took off.
- 16:51MacBook Air Microphone: She took off this jacket and stood in front of him.
- 16:55MacBook Air Microphone: He proceeded to run his nose down, her arms.
- 16:59MacBook Air Microphone: Down her legs.
- 17:01MacBook Air Microphone: Down the back of one of her legs.
- 17:03MacBook Air Microphone: He pinched her with his teeth a few times.
- 17:08MacBook Air Microphone: And I had, I had warned people that they could be pinched or bitten.
- 17:14MacBook Air Microphone: During this process.
- 17:15MacBook Air Microphone: And a lot of horse people are like, oh my gosh, you would never let your horse do that.
- 17:18MacBook Air Microphone: That's such bad manners and such bad training.
- 17:20MacBook Air Microphone: And it's just horrible.
- 17:21MacBook Air Microphone: And you know, the truth of it is horses do that to each other in the grooming process and a nip or bite is not necessarily a sign of aggression.
- 17:30MacBook Air Microphone: At all.
- 17:32MacBook Air Microphone: In fact, when I was at equanimity.
- 17:35MacBook Air Microphone: They had me on this massage table.
- 17:39MacBook Air Microphone: So I'm going to leave the story about pie for just a second and go back in time to when I was at equanimity and what I experienced more there.
- 17:49MacBook Air Microphone: I was afraid.
- 17:50MacBook Air Microphone: Her horses were big.
- 17:51MacBook Air Microphone: They were warm bloods, Canadian warmbloods and most of them were over 16 hands tall.
- 17:57MacBook Air Microphone: And even though I had three horses at home and had had many more horses at different times, it seemed to rotate in and out.
- 18:05MacBook Air Microphone: I felt afraid.
- 18:06MacBook Air Microphone: And a lot of people would go in.
- 18:08MacBook Air Microphone: So the routine was we'd have breakfast and we'd go to the barn and we'd spend three hours in meditation with the horses.
- 18:14MacBook Air Microphone: And what that looked like was they would come in and eat.
- 18:17MacBook Air Microphone: In these huge bins filled with hay and some people would even lay in the bin and let the horses eat around them.
- 18:22MacBook Air Microphone: Like that was a great experience.
- 18:23MacBook Air Microphone: I didn't want to lay in the hay, but a lot of people really enjoyed it.
- 18:27MacBook Air Microphone: And then there was a barn with lots of chips on the, on the ground.
- 18:33MacBook Air Microphone: So it's nice and soft and clean.
- 18:35MacBook Air Microphone: And it was open.
- 18:36MacBook Air Microphone: All the stalls were open in this barn.
- 18:38MacBook Air Microphone: It was probably 48 by 48.
- 18:41MacBook Air Microphone: Okay.
- 18:42MacBook Air Microphone: Feet, excuse me.
- 18:44MacBook Air Microphone: And in the bar.
- 18:44MacBook Air Microphone: And there were these little stools, little stepping stools that you could sit on almost like a milking stool.
- 18:50MacBook Air Microphone: But plastic folding.
- 18:51MacBook Air Microphone: So people would sit on these often with their backs up against some of the stall dividers.
- 18:58MacBook Air Microphone: And various things would happen in there.
- 19:01MacBook Air Microphone: So I was afraid.
- 19:03MacBook Air Microphone: I wasn't connecting with any of the horses and Liz came out and she took my hand and she walked me over to one of these like horse proof massage tables.
- 19:10MacBook Air Microphone: So this is this big table with a little umbrella over it.
- 19:14MacBook Air Microphone: For the sun.
- 19:15MacBook Air Microphone: And you lay down on it and it's sturdy enough that the horse isn't going to knock it over.
- 19:19MacBook Air Microphone: If he bumps it right.
- 19:20MacBook Air Microphone: And she says, we're going to have you work with Merlin.
- 19:22MacBook Air Microphone: He's a little guy, but he's a powerful healer.
- 19:26MacBook Air Microphone: So I laid down on this table terrified, and Liz says, he's going to bite you.
- 19:29MacBook Air Microphone: And I'm like, what?
- 19:32MacBook Air Microphone: She's like, he's going to bite you.
- 19:34MacBook Air Microphone: And it's a trust thing.
- 19:35MacBook Air Microphone: And if you trust him, he probably won't bite you very hard.
- 19:39MacBook Air Microphone: But if you can't let go, he'll bite you harder.
- 19:42MacBook Air Microphone: So I'm laying on this table thinking this is crazy.
- 19:44MacBook Air Microphone: Why did I come all the way up here to Canada to do this?
- 19:47MacBook Air Microphone: This is where she's going to bite me in.
- 19:49MacBook Air Microphone: And I'm like, okay, I just have to surrender.
- 19:51MacBook Air Microphone: And that was the word surrender.
- 19:54MacBook Air Microphone: So I'm surrendering to Merlin.
- 19:56MacBook Air Microphone: And sure enough, he bit my shoulder, but it didn't really hurt.
- 19:59MacBook Air Microphone: It kind of like spread a warmth through the area.
- 20:04MacBook Air Microphone: And it built all this pressure up in my head.
- 20:08MacBook Air Microphone: The next thing he did was he took his teeth like a comb and he raped from my forehead back on my skull.
- 20:15MacBook Air Microphone: He raped with his teeth, my hair.
- 20:18MacBook Air Microphone: And suddenly all the pressure left my head.
- 20:21MacBook Air Microphone: Wow.
- 20:22MacBook Air Microphone: It was like he was opening my crown chakra.
- 20:25MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah.
- 20:26MacBook Air Microphone: That's interesting.
- 20:27MacBook Air Microphone: It was fascinating.
- 20:29MacBook Air Microphone: So more things happen there and I'll come back to that, but I want to go back to the story with PI because now you understand.
- 20:35MacBook Air Microphone: Why I didn't have a freak out when he was pinching this case study participant on the backs of her legs.
- 20:42MacBook Air Microphone: So I had developed an intake and an outtake form, and there were questions like this was for the case studies.
- 20:49MacBook Air Microphone: There were questions.
- 20:50MacBook Air Microphone: You know, do you have any pain or tightness in your body on a scale of one to 10?
- 20:54MacBook Air Microphone: What is it?
- 20:55MacBook Air Microphone: what is your emotional state?
- 20:57MacBook Air Microphone: whAt is your level of serenity on a scale of one to 10?
- 21:01MacBook Air Microphone: And how are you feeling?
- 21:02MacBook Air Microphone: So then they would fill out the same form after their session with the horse as before.
- 21:07MacBook Air Microphone: And there was an area that said, you know, please explain your, what your experience was.
- 21:11MacBook Air Microphone: So she said, let me get back to you with my experience.
- 21:13MacBook Air Microphone: I want to process this a little bit and I want to type it up for you.
- 21:16MacBook Air Microphone: I'm like, okay, great.
- 21:20MacBook Air Microphone: A couple of weeks later.
- 21:21MacBook Air Microphone: I hear from her.
- 21:23MacBook Air Microphone: And she's like, I got to tell you this thing that happened.
- 21:26MacBook Air Microphone: She said, I went in for my, our Vedic.
- 21:28MacBook Air Microphone: Massage treatment.
- 21:31MacBook Air Microphone: And.
- 21:33MacBook Air Microphone: wHat she relayed to me is that to work on the sciatica, she had, they worked on the opposite leg and as the woman went to go for the pressure points, She said, what is this?
- 21:43MacBook Air Microphone: You have a little bruise at each of the points that I need to use.
- 21:49MacBook Air Microphone: And then a woman thought for a moment and said, oh my gosh, that's where the horse nipped me.
- 21:54MacBook Air Microphone: Could PI have known.
- 21:57MacBook Air Microphone: Like.
- 21:58MacBook Air Microphone: What a horses really know.
- 22:00MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 22:02MacBook Air Microphone: Yes.
- 22:02MacBook Air Microphone: It, it.
- 22:04MacBook Air Microphone: It's beyond me.
- 22:05MacBook Air Microphone: I don't have an explanation.
- 22:11MacBook Air Microphone: Anyway.
- 22:13MacBook Air Microphone: PI would also do things at the at the case today's he got in the habit of coming up and I had the My notes.
- 22:20MacBook Air Microphone: I had the waivers.
- 22:22MacBook Air Microphone: You want a liability waiver.
- 22:23MacBook Air Microphone: If you know your horse is going.
- 22:25MacBook Air Microphone: Bite people.
- 22:25MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 22:26MacBook Air Microphone: So I had these waivers and I had the intake and the exit forms on clipboards.
- 22:31MacBook Air Microphone: And he would come up and he would scan the clipboard with his nose.
- 22:34MacBook Air Microphone: Like he would literally run his nose back and forth on the clipboard as though he were reading.
- 22:40MacBook Air Microphone: If I'm telling this people, I can see where people are, like she's making this stuff up.
- 22:45MacBook Air Microphone: There's no way that happened.
- 22:47MacBook Air Microphone: But it did.
- 22:48MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 22:50MacBook Air Microphone: Hmm.
- 22:54MacBook Air Microphone: If you talk to other people that went to The city, they would tell you so many stories that you would have to believe mine as well.
- 23:00MacBook Air Microphone: That was in Canada.
- 23:04MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah.
- 23:05MacBook Air Microphone: And Canada, equanimity retreats changed my life.
- 23:08MacBook Air Microphone: Going there changed my relationship with my horses.
- 23:11MacBook Air Microphone: There are a lot of things that have influenced me.
- 23:15MacBook Air Microphone: But doing those 20 case studies, because this is kind of thing didn't happen just once.
- 23:19MacBook Air Microphone: Right.
- 23:19MacBook Air Microphone: It kept happening.
- 23:22MacBook Air Microphone: And.
- 23:23MacBook Air Microphone: Louis has been doing these retreats for a number of years.
- 23:27MacBook Air Microphone: And so, you know, there's hundreds of people that have experienced similar things.
- 23:32MacBook Air Microphone: And that's what feeds into this quiet revolution.
- 23:35MacBook Air Microphone: So many experiences by humans of these things.
- 23:39MacBook Air Microphone: That sound incredible.
- 23:42MacBook Air Microphone: And like in credible, like not credible, but they are.
- 23:46MacBook Air Microphone: It's got to change things.
- 23:48MacBook Air Microphone: Makes me want to go out.
- 23:50MacBook Air Microphone: Be with the horses and see what there's no bite me.
- 23:54MacBook Air Microphone: I'm sure Charlie.
- 23:55MacBook Air Microphone: I'm sure Charlie will bite you.
- 23:57MacBook Air Microphone: Charlie is PI's replacement.
- 23:59MacBook Air Microphone: And he's near.
- 24:00MacBook Air Microphone: Let me before he hasn't helped you hasn't he he's refining the nip.
- 24:04MacBook Air Microphone: I think I did actually call an animal communicator and, and ask her to talk to him about that because they don't want people to get hurt.
- 24:13MacBook Air Microphone: And.
- 24:15MacBook Air Microphone: The further away I am from that visit to acronysm.
- 24:17MacBook Air Microphone: Essity.
- 24:18MacBook Air Microphone: To be truthful, the harder it is for me to trust and allow sometimes and not know what people's reactions are going to be.
- 24:26MacBook Air Microphone: And so we had her talk to Charlie about biting.
- 24:30MacBook Air Microphone: And.
- 24:31MacBook Air Microphone: Her.
- 24:33MacBook Air Microphone: Mythology about that was to let him know how fragile humans really are.
- 24:38MacBook Air Microphone: And he didn't know.
- 24:39MacBook Air Microphone: She said, he just didn't know that we were that fragile.
- 24:42MacBook Air Microphone: And he hasn't bitten anybody.
- 24:44MacBook Air Microphone: Since then, right.
- 24:46MacBook Air Microphone: Like you said they do that in the field.
- 24:49MacBook Air Microphone: With each other pastor and that kind of thing, they do that with each other.
- 24:52MacBook Air Microphone: So.
- 24:54MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah, the, the lips or the lips are fine, you know, there's another memory of PI.
- 24:58MacBook Air Microphone: One day we were settled up to go for a ride and I was at the hitching post.
- 25:02MacBook Air Microphone: He started licking me.
- 25:04MacBook Air Microphone: He licked my hands.
- 25:06MacBook Air Microphone: It was summertime.
- 25:07MacBook Air Microphone: My arms were bare.
- 25:08MacBook Air Microphone: He licked my arms.
- 25:10MacBook Air Microphone: He, he completely licked every inch of both of my arms and hands.
- 25:15MacBook Air Microphone: And my experience was that it calmed me down.
- 25:20MacBook Air Microphone: It took me down several notches into a much more relaxed state.
- 25:26MacBook Air Microphone: And looking back.
- 25:27MacBook Air Microphone: I think what he was doing was preparing me to be on his back.
- 25:31MacBook Air Microphone: I can only imagine.
- 25:32MacBook Air Microphone: Being an animal, like a horse with a very sensitive, nervous system.
- 25:37MacBook Air Microphone: And having somebody get on you that's anxious or afraid or amped up about something else in their life and how.
- 25:44MacBook Air Microphone: How uncomfortable that would be if you were really sense of really sensitive being, I mean, I know I'm a sensitive being and it can be uncomfortable for me to be in the same room.
- 25:54MacBook Air Microphone: With another person who's having anxiety.
- 25:57MacBook Air Microphone: Or is dysregulated about.
- 26:00MacBook Air Microphone: Some event that's happened to them.
- 26:02MacBook Air Microphone: Sure.
- 26:02MacBook Air Microphone: And if you're coming in contact, it would transfer.
- 26:05MacBook Air Microphone: Much easier.
- 26:06MacBook Air Microphone: Exactly.
- 26:07MacBook Air Microphone: You're actually on their back and not just on their back, but asking them to do things right.
- 26:12MacBook Air Microphone: Wow.
- 26:14MacBook Air Microphone: I I've heard people say that when they go to the barn, it relaxes them after work.
- 26:19MacBook Air Microphone: And I have a theory about that.
- 26:21MacBook Air Microphone: I think that the horses.
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- 27:27MacBook Air Microphone: Have worked on people.
- 27:28MacBook Air Microphone: I think they move.
- 27:30MacBook Air Microphone: Those unpleasant.
- 27:32MacBook Air Microphone: Emotions off of us.
- 27:33MacBook Air Microphone: I think they help to regulate us without us knowing it.
- 27:37MacBook Air Microphone: And it's almost PVE logging in.
- 27:38MacBook Air Microphone: Like somebody walks into the barn after work, took a ride, their horse and.
- 27:44MacBook Air Microphone: The horses moved the energy off of them so many times to help them relax at the minute they walk in the barn, it begins to happen.
- 27:51MacBook Air Microphone: And people think, oh, ready, my horse relaxes me.
- 27:54MacBook Air Microphone: When I think it's much more true.
- 27:57MacBook Air Microphone: That the horse has conditioned you to drop.
- 28:02MacBook Air Microphone: Your day at work or whatever's bothering you before you get close enough to infect them.
- 28:08MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah, that's, that's very good insight.
- 28:10MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah, I could be wrong.
- 28:11MacBook Air Microphone: It's just my theory.
- 28:13MacBook Air Microphone: Anyways, I think that's about all the time.
- 28:15MacBook Air Microphone: I have.
- 28:16MacBook Air Microphone: I thank you for listening to my stories today, Diane.
- 28:19MacBook Air Microphone: You're very welcome.
- 28:20MacBook Air Microphone: I love your stories.
- 28:21MacBook Air Microphone: I love hearing about the horses and.
- 28:24MacBook Air Microphone: Some of your escapades.
- 28:25MacBook Air Microphone: Yeah.
- 28:25MacBook Air Microphone: And if anybody else out there.
- 28:28MacBook Air Microphone: Has horse stories, especially magical ones.
- 28:31MacBook Air Microphone: I would love to hear about them.
- 28:34MacBook Air Microphone: If you vehemently disagree with me.
- 28:37MacBook Air Microphone: I would like to hear from you too, although I'm almost scared to say that I I'd much rather people agree with me, but, but not, everybody's going to, so I've gotta be fair.
- 28:46MacBook Air Microphone: Alright, horse human connection.
- 28:48MacBook Air Microphone: Is she able and Diane signing off for today?
- 28:52MacBook Air Microphone: Bye.