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Episode 115 - Copenhagen: The Postcard Lies A Little · Sorta Sophisticated

• 0:00
  Speaker A: Welcome to Sort of Sophisticated with Pete and Amanda. So I just got back from Copenhagen. Right.
• 0:06
  Speaker B: Yes, I know. The trip of a lifetime.
• 0:08
  Speaker A: It was. It was ridiculous. I mean, it was really something.
• 0:11
  Speaker B: I don't know. You didn't take me, so I'm still bitter.
• 0:13
  Speaker A: Bitter and better. Change one letter.
• 0:16
  Speaker B: Okay, well played. Well played.
• 0:18
  Speaker A: Yeah. Okay, so, you know, I mean, you know the iconic pictures of, like, the colorful buildings in front of the canal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, super famous postcardy, like. Yeah, okay. It was glorious. 10 out of 10. It was the best ever. But I will say there's a lot more to Copenhagen than the iconic postcard.
• 0:35
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 0:36
  Speaker A: For sure.
• 0:36
  Speaker B: Well, I mean, there's culture, there's.
• 0:38
  Speaker A: It's. It's. It's insane. Yeah. Except there. There's also. There's also 10 million people trying to take that same picture when you get there.
• 0:44
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 0:45
  Speaker A: In that one area. And we actually stayed right there. Like, that's. That's where our Airbnb was. Yeah, I know. Shut up. No, actually, believe it or not, like reviews said, don't stay there because it's so loud and chaotic and so long story short, I just couldn't find another Airbnb. Like, I got. I let it go too long before I. And then I was like, oh, shit, I'm just stuck with this Airbnb. And it worked out fine. It was okay. It wasn't. It wasn't really obnoxious or anything.
• 1:05
  Speaker B: You end up where you're supposed to
• 1:06
  Speaker A: be, I guess, if you want to look at it that way. So I figured, just spoiler, we're going to talk about Copenhagen. We're doing a travel episode. We've done a travel episode in, like, a really, really long time. I don't think if we go back and look. I don't know. I think. I mean, I know we did Iceland. I don't know. I mean, we did. When we went to. I went to Greece. I think we did something around. Maybe we did the Greek gods or something. I don't remember. But anyway, my point is travel. Might as well do Copenhagen for dummies. You can ask me a bunch of questions. I'll tell you what I know about Copenhagen, like, how to sort of navigate it.
• 1:34
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 1:35
  Speaker A: Sort of. Because I really was only there, like, six or seven days.
• 1:37
  Speaker B: We were only sort of sophisticated.
• 1:39
  Speaker A: Okay? Exactly. Exactly. So here's the takeaway. This is the. This is the big aha moment. Okay. We'll go through sort of what surprised me, like, when I landed. Oh, my God. Then sort of why this whole city runs on trust. Which I found fascinating. There's an underlying theme here that I was able to sort of. I guess I interview. I'm in podcast mode all the time. Right. You know me. So, like, every time I went to a bar, I started chatting with the bartender out the servers. Like, I wanted to. I wanted the insight. And my kids were making fun of me because I started voice recording them, you know, like, on my phone. Like, dad, what are you doing? I'm like, this is good inspo for, like, the podcast. So anyway, I grabbed all that data and, like, brought it all back and then fed it all into chat and was like, okay, figure all this shit out. Tell me what this is all about. Anyway, that was two, and then three. One unwritten rule that explains why this whole society in Copenhagen runs the way it does, which I also found remarkable. What was it called?
• 2:31
  Speaker B: Hygge.
• 2:32
  Speaker A: Hygge, Right.
• 2:33
  Speaker B: Yes. We also, like, butchered the last time.
• 2:36
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 2:36
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 2:36
  Speaker A: Anyway, my point is, is that sort of the output of this underlying unwritten rule we're going to talk more about. I thought that was the unwritten rule, but it's not. Anyway, that's what we're doing today. Okay, what are we on? Episode 115.
• 2:48
  Speaker B: Wow. Yeah. Here we are.
• 2:50
  Speaker A: Let's go. Welcome to Sword Sophisticated, the podcast where culture, curiosity, and chaos, and in this case, Copenhagen, collide.
• 2:57
  Speaker B: There you go. Four C's. Though I do like mine as a cut, clarity, color, and just.
• 3:02
  Speaker A: We know that ship sailed for you, sister. Like, you're not getting another one. You know what I mean? You got it once, and now, you
• 3:09
  Speaker B: know, big birthday's coming up. Let's go. I'm just kidding.
• 3:13
  Speaker A: Did you, like, plant some seeds? No, none. Do I have to plant some seeds for him?
• 3:17
  Speaker B: No.
• 3:17
  Speaker A: Okay. All right, all right, all right. Word of the week, and then we start.
• 3:20
  Speaker B: Yes, but also before we start word of the week, technology has taken over our lives. We already know this. But now I get to my email. A word of the week email.
• 3:32
  Speaker A: I know. You know how I know that?
• 3:33
  Speaker B: Did you set me up for this?
• 3:34
  Speaker A: No, I just know that because then you send them to me.
• 3:37
  Speaker B: Oh, I do.
• 3:37
  Speaker A: And then I use them. So this is one of those from familiar. Yeah. Sel. Is that how you say it? I don't even know Sel. All right, that's our word of the week. It's an adjective, and it means something unfamiliar or strange, but in a good way. Like, it catches you off guard.
• 3:51
  Speaker B: You're so selfco. I'm self C. You're a little strange.
• 3:54
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. In a good way. Okay, I'll take that. It comes from the Old English seld, meaning seldom and cool. I'm not saying that right, because there's all sorts of enyas and things over it meaning known. So same root that gives us couth and uncouth. Right, we know that so literally means seldom known. Nobody's used this word since, like, the 1500s, Amanda. Okay. Like, it's old.
• 4:13
  Speaker B: Old, but I think it's a cool.
• 4:14
  Speaker A: Huh?
• 4:14
  Speaker B: Cool word.
• 4:15
  Speaker A: Selkuth. That's what it's going to be. Okay.
• 4:17
  Speaker B: I also, like, there's an old English word. Old English. I can't guess.
• 4:21
  Speaker A: You know who use this word a lot? J.R.R. tolkien. Oh, Lord of the Rings. The Hobbit.
• 4:25
  Speaker B: You would know.
• 4:26
  Speaker A: Yes, I would. Selcoth. All right, that's what we gotta do. Unfamiliar or strange. In a good way.
• 4:31
  Speaker B: All right, so Copenhagen, huh?
• 4:33
  Speaker A: Copenhagen. Yeah. But first, if you like what you're listening to, hit subscribe. Follow us. New episodes come out weekly, except last week because I was on vacation and Amanda was screwing around. So we're back on track. Find it on your favorite podcast platform.
• 4:46
  Speaker B: Okay, you mentioned that you landed and you had a first impression.
• 4:51
  Speaker A: I did, right away.
• 4:52
  Speaker B: Like in the airport?
• 4:53
  Speaker A: No, not in the airport. Soon as I, like, got out of the car, like, whatever transfer service. We used the van to get to where we were staying.
• 4:58
  Speaker B: Did you have to pay for that, too?
• 4:59
  Speaker A: Yeah, I had to pay for that. Why wouldn't I have to pay for that? What are you talking about? What do you think it's free in Copenhagen?
• 5:04
  Speaker B: Wasn't there, like, 20 people with you?
• 5:05
  Speaker A: We all went our different ways. We didn't stay in one Airbnb together.
• 5:08
  Speaker B: No, I didn't know that.
• 5:09
  Speaker A: Jeez. No, we all stayed around town. Relax. Yeah. Okay. Bikes. Bikes are everywhere. Yeah, I mean, not like, oh, this is cute. People are biking here.
• 5:18
  Speaker B: It's their, like, mode of transportation.
• 5:20
  Speaker A: Like, us walkers are the hazard, and you need to stay out of the way. So in America, if there's somebody walking on the street, a car slows down or stops, our bike's certainly gonna make sure they don't pass.
• 5:30
  Speaker B: Pedestrians have the right of way.
• 5:31
  Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. 10 out of 10. This is completely opposite. So there's bike paths. It's the weirdest thing ever, but, I mean, it's excellent. It's designed wonderfully, but you gotta figure it out. So there's the regular road, and then there's a curb, and then there's another Path that looks like about the size of a car, like, width, like another lane, but it's a curb. So you're like, wait a second. And then there's another curb that goes up higher, and that is the sidewalk. So that middle curb is the bike lane.
• 5:56
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 5:57
  Speaker A: The problem was I was walking on it because I didn't know two shits about it. And bikes were coming by. Luke literally grabbed me and pushed me because there was a bike coming so fast at me that had zero intention of stopping. Because, you know, they deal with tourists all the time, and they're probably like, fuck tourists. Who cares? So they're not going to slow down for me or be nice or ring their little bell. I almost died. Literally. First 15 minutes I was like, okay. And then we looked at the city and we figured out there's bike, little degree. You know how we have the walk and don't walk. They have their own lanes dedicated with walk and don't walk. So you have to walk through their lane, then to the regular, like, street.
• 6:32
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 6:32
  Speaker A: Then back on the other side, there's another bike lane before you get like. So it's just. I don't want to say it's complicated. It was unfriend Believable.
• 6:39
  Speaker B: Well, it's the first time you probably experienced something like that.
• 6:40
  Speaker A: Correct. And then once you figure it out, you're like, oh, my God, this is the most sophisticated thing on the planet. Excellent job. Well done. 10 out of 10. The way they manage all that, that was my sort of high anxiety story as soon as I landed and I was freaking out right away and my kids were laughing at me because I looked like the dork. But it could have been anyone.
• 6:55
  Speaker B: I am so glad you untouristed yourself.
• 6:57
  Speaker A: It could have totally been one of them. Untouristed.
• 6:59
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 6:59
  Speaker A: What is.
• 7:00
  Speaker B: Because that is, like, such a touristy thing to do.
• 7:01
  Speaker A: I did. I did. That was it.
• 7:03
  Speaker B: Walk wherever you want to walk.
• 7:04
  Speaker A: America's just different. I have to ride away everywhere I go. It's so weird.
• 7:07
  Speaker B: All right, so you almost died.
• 7:08
  Speaker A: I did. First hour, almost died.
• 7:10
  Speaker B: So then what happened? The second hour, it got to the Arab beamy.
• 7:13
  Speaker A: The second hour was much better than the first time.
• 7:16
  Speaker B: So.
• 7:17
  Speaker A: Yeah. Because my kids weren't orphans. No. The next thing I couldn't figure out right away was like, I bring cash because I, you know, I want to be prepared.
• 7:24
  Speaker B: I mean, you also bring cash in the US it's very weird.
• 7:26
  Speaker A: You don't. You don't need cash. Like Denmark. Copenhagen, Denmark, whatever. Like, one of the most Cashless societies on the planet. I mean literally, like they don't use like zero. You didn't. I didn't need it. What is it called? The crooner. Yeah, so whatever. Everywhere and super easy. And you know, you just had to make sure you, you know, because you could have bought in US dollars or the Krooner because they all have their little atm.
• 7:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, right.
• 7:51
  Speaker A: So they can transact in US dollars if you wanted to, but then you're using.
• 7:54
  Speaker B: Which one do I get charged for? I didn't know this.
• 7:56
  Speaker A: You're using their exchange rate in that specific facility.
• 8:00
  Speaker B: So if I pick US Dollars, you're getting screwed.
• 8:02
  Speaker A: Oh, every time.
• 8:03
  Speaker B: You always have to pick it in
• 8:04
  Speaker A: there in their dollars because then your bank will do it here on this side. And you always get a better rate on your bank. Because some, I mean, don't get me wrong, in some places you might get a better rate. You just don't know that. It doesn't explain it all. That's all. Does that make sense?
• 8:15
  Speaker B: You roll the dice.
• 8:16
  Speaker A: You roll the dice, right? You're rolling the dice. So anyway, so those were interesting bikes. Cashless society basically noted for next time. Okay, yeah, but wait. Okay, hold on a second. So those are fun things, but I want to. Can I do a little history of Denmark? Because I can already see you're coming at me with like a million questions like how Denmark became Denmark. So this sort of, is a sort of sophisticated topic and then we can go into all this. Okay, I want to stay true to our through line.
• 8:36
  Speaker B: I do have a question. Oh, here's Denmark.
• 8:38
  Speaker A: I just. All I'm trying to do is get through a quick history section and then. And you already do this to me.
• 8:42
  Speaker B: No, it's great. It's going to be easy. It's easy.
• 8:44
  Speaker A: Fine. What?
• 8:45
  Speaker B: And I'm only asking this because of the World Cup. Right. So Denmark.
• 8:48
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 8:49
  Speaker B: Are the Dutch. No, Denmarks are not Dutch.
• 8:51
  Speaker A: No, that's the Netherlands. That's Holland. So Norway, Denmark are the Danes.
• 8:56
  Speaker B: So Denmark are Danes.
• 8:57
  Speaker A: Yeah. Norwegians are Norwegians. Netherlands are Dutch are Dutch. Yes.
• 9:03
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 9:03
  Speaker A: AKA Holland. But they don't use that anymore. You with me now? There's nothing to do with Dutch.
• 9:07
  Speaker B: Huh?
• 9:08
  Speaker A: Netherlands, Amsterdam. That's all.
• 9:10
  Speaker B: Where do the windmills live?
• 9:11
  Speaker A: Oh, they're everywhere.
• 9:12
  Speaker B: Oh, you get.
• 9:13
  Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. I mean they're. They're in the Netherlands. But we saw when we were on our cruise there are windmills in the middle of damn ocean. Like in the north freakin Sea. Yeah. Dude, it's crazy. Shit, it's nuts. Yeah. They're everywhere up there.
• 9:23
  Speaker B: Where? Scandinavia.
• 9:25
  Speaker A: Scandinavia is all of it. Scandinavia is Norway, it's Sweden, it's Finland, and then it's Denmark. So those four countries.
• 9:32
  Speaker B: That's why I'm.
• 9:33
  Speaker A: But yeah, and then there's. And then there's the outliers, like Estonia, Latvia, like, over on that side. And then you do have the Netherlands.
• 9:38
  Speaker B: Scandinavia.
• 9:38
  Speaker A: No, Scandinavia. Are those four. The four I just named.
• 9:40
  Speaker B: But would they call themselves Scandinavian?
• 9:42
  Speaker A: Scandinavians? More like a culture, I guess. It's like calling us North American. And then you would say Canada. The United States.
• 9:48
  Speaker B: Got it.
• 9:48
  Speaker A: And Mexico. Granted, we're not as connected. They're a little more connected. But look, they have their own feuds. They get in fights. Like, Denmark doesn't love the Swedes. The Swedes doesn't love. They. It's. It's. It's a thing. Okay, right, so same, same. You get it.
• 10:00
  Speaker B: Sort of sophisticated.
• 10:00
  Speaker A: So we were in parts of Scandinavia, but we spent a lot of time in Denmark. Specifically Copenhagen, the first leg of our trip. Okay, so here, quick history on Denmark. It's been around for a long time. Like since 10,000 B.C. like, really old. But it wasn't called Denmark then. It doesn't show up till the Vikings took over. Go, Vikings. Yes. Let's go. So the first real king. We have evidence of a king was some dude named Gorm, the Old, who ruled around the mid-900s. Okay, so, like, what is that, a thousand years ago? I'll just say briefly. And he has his son named Harold Bluetooth. Harold Bluetooth.
• 10:32
  Speaker B: Did he invent Bluetooth technology?
• 10:34
  Speaker A: Funny you should ask that. He didn't. But that's what it's named after.
• 10:38
  Speaker B: What?
• 10:38
  Speaker A: It was named after that? Yes, it was named after. I know. I'll get into that in a second, but yes, totally cool. I know that should be a problem.
• 10:44
  Speaker B: Facetious.
• 10:44
  Speaker A: No, but it was. I thought. Same thing. I was like, oh, my God, that's hysterical. I'll get to it. Hold on. Okay, so around 965 A.D. bluetooth converts Denmark to Christianity, of course. Right. And puts up these things called gelling stones. Have you heard of gelling stones?
• 10:56
  Speaker B: Absolutely not.
• 10:56
  Speaker A: Yeah, okay. Me neither. Denmark's birth certificate, apparently. Two large carved stones sitting in the town of Jelling, Denmark.
• 11:03
  Speaker B: That makes sense.
• 11:04
  Speaker A: Correct. Still standing today. Yes. One by Gorm, his dad, and the other by Harald. And that is the actual moment historians point to and go, okay, now it's a real kingdom of Denmark. So 965 AD they put up the Jelling stones kind of like, what is. It reminds me of, like, the Ten Commandments and the two tablets, you know?
• 11:20
  Speaker B: Okay, wait, so one of them is for Gorm, One of.
• 11:23
  Speaker A: Well, Gorm put one up, and then the other one was Harold, his son. Yes.
• 11:27
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 11:27
  Speaker A: And that's. I'm just telling you, that's when Denmark started.
• 11:30
  Speaker B: Got it.
• 11:30
  Speaker A: Don't ask me more questions about what's on the Jelling stones. I don't know what's on them.
• 11:33
  Speaker B: No question.
• 11:33
  Speaker A: I just. That's when they officially. They stuck them in the ground and said, we're Denmark. And it wasn't like a small country or anything back then. It was, like, kind of massive because Harald's son, Swen Forkbeard, apparently.
• 11:43
  Speaker B: Right.
• 11:43
  Speaker A: Why do I sound. I feel like we're literally watching Lord of the Rings here. And then his grandson, Newt the Great, actually conquered and ruled England for a while. So this was like, Gorm, Harald, Sven, and then Newt right down the line. So at one point, Denmark was ruling England, Norway, and chunks of Sweden. So Denmark was like the big deal back then.
• 12:08
  Speaker B: Go Vikings.
• 12:09
  Speaker A: Totally go Vikings.
• 12:10
  Speaker B: But they obviously lost it.
• 12:11
  Speaker A: They did at some point. So Newt died, that great grandson shit fell apart, Civil war conquered, then it went to hell for, like, 200 years. Okay, that's sort of like the basis of sort of what happened. Yes. So then some guy, Vladimir the Great, takes over, and in 1167, him and his best friend Absalon built a fortress on the island that turned into now Copenhagen.
• 12:29
  Speaker B: Huh.
• 12:29
  Speaker A: So I was like, on or around. What did I say? 1167. Okay, then fast forward another 200 years, 1397 and Queen Marguerite. I somehow brings Denmark, Norway and Sweden all back together again, except this time without England. And for the next hundred years, Denmark is basically running Scandinavia. Oh, there you go again. So we're sort of popping around here. I'm just making the point that Denmark was a legit historical beast. Okay. So then we get to the Reformation, and Denmark built all these fancy old buildings like the one I stayed in. Literally, like, during the 1500s. Yes. But then through a series of wars with, like, Sweden and England and even Prussia back then, Denmark loses everything except what we know today. And that's when they realize, okay, we sort of have to let all this go. Even though their ego was bruised and they were a little pissed off. And believe it or not, they still have beef with Sweden over that from, like, 500 years ago. Because when I was talking to some of the people, they were like, yeah, we don't love The Swedes. But like, we get along with them and it's sort of like a fun love hate relationship. Like they tease each other, but they also don't prefer each other, which was I thought was very interesting.
• 13:22
  Speaker B: Like California and Texans. Got it.
• 13:23
  Speaker A: Bingo. Well said. Okay, so then fast forward again. Denmark stays neutral through World War I. And if you remember, in World War II, they were under Nazi occupation, but sort of tried to not get involved. And sort of after the war, that's when Denmark built out what everybody associates with Denmark today. So we're going to call it somewhere around 1945, when the war ended. World War II. Yes. Free health care, free education, the whole safety net around, like their culture and how it all works. The trust thing I'm going to talk about in a little bit. Then they joined the EU in 1973 and sort of just settled into this small, quiet, extremely well run, organized country that somehow keeps winning the happiest place on earth to go visit. So that is Denmark in five minutes or less.
• 14:07
  Speaker B: Okay, I have two questions. What One? So no more kings?
• 14:10
  Speaker A: Well, they still have a king. I mean, it's like.
• 14:11
  Speaker B: So there's a king.
• 14:12
  Speaker A: Yeah, his name is. I learned about him. His name is King Frederick. I think the 10th. I saw his castle, like where he stays and everything. And the changing the guards, the whole thing. Very similar to England. Yeah, yeah, but it's like, I think it's figurehead. The same thing as England. They have like a parliament that does everything.
• 14:24
  Speaker B: Got it.
• 14:25
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 14:25
  Speaker B: Understood.
• 14:26
  Speaker A: Go ahead.
• 14:26
  Speaker B: Well, then, what about the Bluetooth guy?
• 14:28
  Speaker A: Oh, the Bluetooth guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so. Right, so Bluetooth was invented by a Swedish company called Ericsson. And one of the engineers at the time came up with the name Bluetooth as a placeholder because he'd been reading about Danish history at that time. No, specifically about Harald Bluetooth uniting the Danish tribes, like I was saying, into one kingdom. Like all those different tribes that came together which mirrored what the technology of Bluetooth was trying to do. So the name was supposed to be temporary, but. But it totally stuck when someone in marketing was like, I love this idea. Let's just stick with Bluetooth. Completely and totally connected to this one man.
• 15:00
  Speaker B: I think we just end the episode done and done. Just that. Yes, that's.
• 15:04
  Speaker A: That's fascinating. I know, I know. I had no idea. I was like, oh, this is the greatest. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:09
  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
• 15:09
  Speaker A: I know. All right. That's all I got for history now. Now we can go on, like, chug
• 15:13
  Speaker B: through the rest because I don't know how you could top this. That was so good.
• 15:15
  Speaker A: I know. That's kind of. We're all downhill from here.
• 15:17
  Speaker B: Oh, shut up.
• 15:20
  Speaker A: Okay, so first item there. Then I'm going to tell you this other incredibly interesting detail. I meet this bartender guy. Because I was telling you I was meeting everybody. It was like nine o'. Clock. Apparently that's way too early in Copenhagen. So we're the only people in the bar, and there's like 14 of us. And so of course, I get chatty with the bartender. We go to a place called Charlie's. By the way, his name's not Charlie. His name was Alan. I have no idea. He doesn't own the place. He's just the bartender. Anyway, my point is, he tells us that Copenhagen is one of the safest cities in the world. And so far it's tracking because, you know, it's clean. It certainly looks like that. Just your first impression would be like, okay, this looks pretty safe. But he said, there's something called a wallet test. And I was like, wait, what is this thing? Have you heard of the wallet test? No, I'd never heard of the wallet test. Apparently it's like a real thing, not just in Denmark. They've tried. The studies have come out on this. Researchers actually ran tests where their experiment was to drop wallets of cash and your ID and everything in random public places around the world to see which places would return them. Like the highest rate of return.
• 16:10
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 16:10
  Speaker A: Okay. And in Scandinavian countries, apparently they return them at way higher rates than anywhere else studied in the world. Like, markedly higher than this. So in the US I looked it up, return rates are like 40%, which I thought was kind of high.
• 16:22
  Speaker B: Believe it. Oh, I'm shocked.
• 16:24
  Speaker A: Like, okay, it's that high. Guess what. Denmark and Norway are 100 over 80, 82%. More than double the United States.
• 16:32
  Speaker B: So I was like, for a perfect score here. And then.
• 16:34
  Speaker A: So then I'm like, wait, how old is this test? Do you know when they did this test? 20. 19.
• 16:37
  Speaker B: Oh, wow.
• 16:38
  Speaker A: Not even. Right. Right before COVID So I was like, okay, this is serious shit. Anyway, this guy was. It was fascinating learning about all this stuff. Do you know what the. The shittiest country is, like, the one that has the least return rate?
• 16:47
  Speaker B: No, because if I say it, I'm racist, so.
• 16:49
  Speaker A: So can I say it?
• 16:50
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker A: China.
• 16:51
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker A: 20%.
• 16:53
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 16:53
  Speaker A: Yeah, go figure.
• 16:54
  Speaker B: Communism.
• 16:55
  Speaker A: What do you expect?
• 16:56
  Speaker B: The wealth is not distributed equally. So, duh.
• 16:59
  Speaker A: And so he goes on and he explains, like, it's not just because people are nice, because that's what my first instinct was. Oh, I guess Danes are a lot nicer than Americans. That's not what he was trying to explain to me. He was explaining it was their culture. So back to Hygge and the whole culture thing there, right? So it's built into like their laws. So the next day we go on this canal cruise and of course I got chatty with the canal cruise, who by the way, I fell in love with to. Her name was Michelle. And she's like pointing out all the stuff, but okay, go back before I go forward. You have to go on a canal cruise if you go to Copenhagen because it's the best way to see everything. It's super touristy, don't get me wrong. Don't go on like a big one. Like there's one where you can get like 200 people on it. You know, like the hop on, hop off tours that you go. Right. So they do this with a boat, but we took a private one which is like the 14. Yeah, okay, shut up. Anyway, we float by this little development called Paper Island. Brand new, ultra exclusive apartments.
• 17:45
  Speaker B: And I want to buy there.
• 17:46
  Speaker A: Yeah, you want to know how much it costs? Yeah, 10 million.
• 17:49
  Speaker B: Oh my gosh.
• 17:50
  Speaker A: To buy there, right? So I was like, okay, that makes sense because you have like a bunch of rich people locking themselves away from, you know, the riffraff. So that's what I thought. And she was like, yeah, actually, no. So she goes on to explain, you can't legally privatize water in Denmark like you can in Murica. So that island is technically accessible to anyone. So even the $10 million condominium still has to be built next to like public walkways or public cafes or where everybody can walk. And on top of that, she was explaining that there's. I don't know if it's a law exactly, but if the property owners, like make a certain amount of profit, you owe the city something back. So right there on the same island, she pointed out a brand new public pool that's sitting right next to all of these 10 million euro apartments. Because they need to make sure there's public access for everybody. It's their gift back to the city for them being able to make money. And the way she explained it was it's not an option. It's not like a handshake either. It's not like you just, oh, I'll do this. No bullshit. It's a requirement in Copenhagen to like live amongst your peeps like that Which I thought was absolutely fascinating. That what I thought was. Remember I was talking about trust way at the beginning. What I thought was, oh, people just being nice to each other. There's an underlying culture of trust that they've built over. I mean, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years that like, we just don't have. And that's basically Copenhagen in one sentence. It's not luck or being nice. It's just.
• 19:19
  Speaker B: It's their culture.
• 19:20
  Speaker A: It is built in, right? It's literally built in. Yes. Which I think was fascinating.
• 19:24
  Speaker B: It's pretty cool. I have so many more questions, but I'm sure you said we're keeping this sort of sophisticated, so keep it sort of sophisticated. Delineate from my other questions that I have to. Did you even attempt to speak Danish?
• 19:36
  Speaker A: I had a Danish. I had multiple Danishes. Did I attempt to speak Danish? No. And the reason was, Amanda, because it was too selcouth for me. It was very, very, very selcouth.
• 19:49
  Speaker B: Also, though, why is a Danish called a Danish?
• 19:51
  Speaker A: I don't know. Do you know?
• 19:52
  Speaker B: No. You said Danish and now I'm saying
• 19:54
  Speaker A: look it up before the end of the episode. Okay. No. So here's the thing. I will say it's the one thing I love about traveling internationally. It makes me feel so small because everybody speaks English everywhere or tries to, and I don't know how to speak any of their languages. And I understand that English sort of has taken over, but as an American, I feel about this big and I want to learn their languages. But as I was talking to Michelle, that canal cruise guide, they're required to learn English from primary school, so it starts immediately. So not a problem. I think, you know, when you go to some countries where you're like, oh my God, the language barrier is going to be really hard. That was not the case in Copenhagen at all. Even someone who could barely speak English spoke enough English to transact business super regularly and super efficiently. And. And they're. They're nice about, like it's not a problem. But it also does still make me feel like really little, which isn't a bad feel. Like it puts me in my place that there's people that are so much more capable than I am. So anyway, I think I learned maybe a word or two, and Danish was probably one of them. Excuse me, I'd like that. Danish. Okay, good.
• 20:59
  Speaker B: But you know why it's called a Danish?
• 21:01
  Speaker A: No, why is it? What do you got?
• 21:02
  Speaker B: So it's a multi layered pastry. It became famous in Denmark. Right. But it originated in Austria.
• 21:09
  Speaker A: Look at that.
• 21:09
  Speaker B: But in the 1850s, a worker strike caused Danish bakeries to hire Austrian bakers who introduced the laminated dough. And it then became a treat within Denmark and became known.
• 21:19
  Speaker A: And they just called it the Danish. They were like, we don't have any other good way of saying this. We're gonna call it the Danish.
• 21:24
  Speaker B: I mean, it's not called a Danish, obviously, in.
• 21:28
  Speaker A: In Denmark. Yeah. What's it called?
• 21:30
  Speaker B: Vienna bread is what it translates to. Wienerbrod. W I E N E R B R O D. Okay, I had that. Probably said it the wrong way.
• 21:38
  Speaker A: I had that while I was there.
• 21:39
  Speaker B: I'm sure they were delicious and nutritious. Okay, so the Danes evidently didn't come up with the Danish.
• 21:45
  Speaker A: No, they didn't.
• 21:46
  Speaker B: They got it from Austrians. Yeah, but it wasn't like Hygge. When we learned about it, it was, like, from Norway. So do they also, like, take this over too?
• 21:53
  Speaker A: This is a good question. I don't remember. We'd have to go back and look at our old episode. It's Scandinavia, for sure.
• 21:59
  Speaker B: Like region.
• 22:01
  Speaker A: Yes. But I would say in Norway, it's just another word for cozy. That was like the whole blankets, candle vibe. I think that's what we were talking about before. Actually, I don't quite remember. But in Denmark, they take it a whole nother level. It's really serious shit. It's culture. So I was asking about it actually, to a server who was in one of the restaurants we went to, by the way. It was called La Perla. If anybody wants to go to La Perla restaurant, it was excellent.
• 22:22
  Speaker B: That's also like a lingerie store, is it?
• 22:24
  Speaker A: No, but this was. I was eating Italian food while I was in Copenhagen. I was in Copenhagen for so long, I started eating their Italian food. Go figure. Anyway, but our server had moved to Copenhagen from London like, six or seven years earlier with their whole family. And I was asking why they moved there in the first place. And he said, london's great, but it's super big and super stressful. And moving to Copenhagen felt like he was just sort of taking a step back to be happy and just have a more relaxed life. And then he brought up the whole concept of Hygge and explained how in Denmark, it's their way of life. And you see it everywhere. I mean, of course, like, touristy everywhere. Like, there's stores where you can go and buy shit. Of course. But remember all the way back to the beginning when I was talking about bikes and the way people are like, Bustling around and how I almost got killed. Yes, I will say this car, bike or person. No one ever looked rushed. No one was ever speeding or angry about anything. I don't even know if I heard horns honking. I mean, I saw men in suits and women, like, going to work. It was very obvious on their bikes, nobody's in a rush, nobody's late for anything. So I don't know if it's because everybody's just accepting of that and it's like, oh, get to work late, who cares? But this Hygge culture is very clean and clear. Just walking around my family and you know me, I run fast and hot. We were moving faster than most people. And I'm not talking about tourists. We got out of town quite a bit. Like, we went to like the outskirts and other places. It was visibly apparent that they just move at a different pace than everybody else. And it was honestly kind of nice. Hard for me, but I appreciated it. Like, okay, I get this.
• 23:57
  Speaker B: Did you chill, Bill?
• 23:58
  Speaker A: I did.
• 23:59
  Speaker B: Okay, good.
• 23:59
  Speaker A: I did. I got through it. But remember I said, like, Hugo was like the output. There was something underneath it. So the server was talking to me about this idea called Hanteloven. I'm probably not saying this right, so don't kill me. That's the real cultural code underneath Hygge. So it's called the Law of Hante. It comes from a 1933 satirical Danish novel. En fleikinin Kreisler sitz spoor. How did that. Was that good? I don't know. A fugitive crosses his tracks by Axel Sandemus. And in the book he describes 10 rules that I won't bore you with right now, but they all boil down to one specific idea. Don't ever think you're special. Don't think you're better. Don't think you're smarter. Don't think you're more important than anyone else ever. So there's no ego in Denmark. So all these Danes. The whole idea of the Hygge output is because of the underlying concept of you can't judge people a holes. So I, as much as I want to move there and live there, I couldn't last there for two seconds.
• 25:03
  Speaker B: Because you're American.
• 25:04
  Speaker A: Because I'm an American judgy. Exactly. But I thought it was fascinating that they, like, this is their code. This is literally what they live by. We don't have that.
• 25:13
  Speaker B: Well, yes. And it's a respect, right, that they have for each other that I just think is, again, I think we don't have it just as a side note, because we are this melting pot of so many different cultures.
• 25:23
  Speaker A: I know. And on the one hand, I like that.
• 25:24
  Speaker B: On the other hand.
• 25:25
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 25:25
  Speaker B: One culture and identity. That is what they are raised in. That is how they are taught.
• 25:29
  Speaker A: But then there's something cool about that. But then on the other hand, I love the idea of melting pot. So it's like, I guess. And I will say this because go back to my canal cruise guide, Michelle. She was explaining, like, it's not all shits and giggles. There are people that sort of buck the system there.
• 25:43
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker A: Right. There's this place called North Zealand. It's not the paper island, but place called North Zealand. It's like north of the city. And she said that is like some of the most expensive real estate in all of Europe. And it's like generational money. And that's where all the snooty people live. And they do believe absolutely that they are better than everyone else. Her. Her point was like, we got the same problem. It's just condensed or confined. Better. It's not as big or transparent like it is in America.
• 26:06
  Speaker B: But.
• 26:07
  Speaker A: But they. They got it. They got it.
• 26:09
  Speaker B: Right. But it's like the golden rule.
• 26:10
  Speaker A: Yes. He who has the gold makes the rules.
• 26:12
  Speaker B: Or there's that one.
• 26:14
  Speaker A: Or is it due unto others as you'd have done?
• 26:15
  Speaker B: Or that one.
• 26:16
  Speaker A: Yeah. There was just way less ego. There was over there, period. Just all the way around.
• 26:19
  Speaker B: So you went on a crew, a canal cruise.
• 26:21
  Speaker A: I did.
• 26:22
  Speaker B: You went to the outskirts of all these different cities. You got to experience Copenhagen.
• 26:28
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 26:28
  Speaker B: How many days is needed to, like, get this immersive experience, do you think? To be able to, like, live in the culture and feel it and.
• 26:35
  Speaker A: Well, if you're going to use Hygge, then more, because you want to go slow. So could you get through Copenhagen three or four days? Yes, totally. You could. So I'd say three or four days fast. Get through it, you know, have your itinerary and go. That's not the vibe.
• 26:48
  Speaker B: But to live it.
• 26:49
  Speaker A: Yeah. So we stayed six.
• 26:51
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 26:51
  Speaker A: And I thought that was excellent. This was my first vacation where I moved slower. I just did. Like, there wasn't as much planned each day. I think there was a day or two where we might have even gone to look at something again because it was so interesting the first time. Like three or four. Absolutely. Like, if you're in a hurry to get through and you're. You're hopping around Europe and you have a 14 day itinerary and you want to get to four different places. Three or four days is fine. If you're staying in Copenhagen, like I was. No, six days was, was, was excellent. I want to tell you about the outskirts of town thing. Like, yeah, big city but like walkable and has a bunch of different neighborhoods. Right. So I, I mean, I guess la. We have like Chinatown or we have like Griffith park or whatever. So I. I guess similar but not as dirty. So it's not one vibe. So we started, we went to this place called Christian Town. I know that's crazy. It's a mouthful. In English you would say Christian Haven, I guess, which is a canal district. King Christian IV built in the early 1600s originally as like a naval hub or whatever. It's got a little sort of Amsterdam y thing going on. There's canals everywhere. It is literally one of the prettiest walks in the city. We walk the whole thing and then sort of right in the middle of it, like in this little teeny section, they have a place called Freetown, which is basically its own self governing sort of squatter community or commune is the best way to explain it. It was founded in 1971 and it made its own flag and its own rules and everything. And for one reason or another, the Danish government totally tolerates it. I was talking to Michelle about this whole thing. She was the one who told us to go visit it. It's a total live and let live mentality and operates outside of the Danish law completely somehow. But they're like okay with it.
• 28:23
  Speaker B: It's like an anarchist kind of. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Speaker A: And it's like some of their houses are like lean tos and some of them are regular houses and it's all painted weird and different and you know, it sort of says, I think on Instagram. I don't know if you were following. There was a few pictures I took where it was like, you know, fuck the police or like get out or whatever and. But like tourists can walk through this, the town in the city. So they're very accepting of tourists. But like we're just walking through their. Where they live and what they do. And they were like sort of just doing their own thing and we were doing our own thing. And it was, it was kind of the freakiest and coolest thing to see.
• 28:54
  Speaker B: Like a juxtaposition.
• 28:55
  Speaker A: Yes. And like they just sort of are left to their own devices, which I thought was fascinating. Then there's a place called the Meatpacking district. I'm going to butcher this Kothbuyen I think, is how they say it. I don't know. Built out in 1879 as the Slaughterhouse. Right. I mean, a lot of places have places called the meatpacking district. I understand. And somehow over the years after that sort of natural resource wasn't necessary anymore. They turned all the old slaughterhouse buildings into, I would argue, probably the best restaurants in all the city. And then underneath a lot of those, they have all the nightclubs. So we went to, like, restaurant and then nightclubs. Unbelievable. And it's all super weird because when you go in there to that area, it does not look. It's not fancy. I mean, it looks like a meatpacking district. Like, you're like, what am I about to walk into? But it is mobbed with people, and the food is unbelievable. So that's sort of another section. And then you have where we stayed. Newhound I. I was calling it Nyhaven the whole time. N Y H A V N. But I think you say New Hound. That's the postcard. That's the tourist trap galore. All the pretty houses. Everything's there built the 1600s, literally. We stayed in a house from like. Yeah.
• 30:03
  Speaker B: I mean, were there ghosts?
• 30:04
  Speaker A: Yes. And it was hard, honestly. Like, I mean, they're so small. The houses are so, like, we didn't have a washer and dryer in there. We had one bathroom. Plumbing is hard. Like, everything's a pain in the ass there. But anyway, totally beautiful. Super cool, like, to go to all these different places, because you go to New Hound one day and then you go to the Meatpacking District the next day, or you go to Freetown the next day. Like, that's what I mean. To get around the city and then all. Also to see all, like, the palaces and all the churches and everything, you know, six days. But I mean, it was incredible. 10 out of 10, for sure.
• 30:32
  Speaker B: I love it. You know, the thing that I think I love the most about traveling internationally is the history. That's all there. Because we don't really have that. I mean, like, yes, you go to Boston. Like, you can see that, right?
• 30:43
  Speaker A: But we only have 250 years of history, right?
• 30:45
  Speaker B: And, like, you have this where it's like the 1600s and then it, you know, you see each kind of like.
• 30:50
  Speaker A: Or go all the way back to the Jelling Stones. If we would have gone over there to Denmark. Those are over 1100 years old, right?
• 30:56
  Speaker B: Crazy. It would blow my mind.
• 30:57
  Speaker A: I know. I know the joke, right? It's like on Instagram, alltime or Tik Tok. Right. It's. Oh, my God. Everywhere you land. I could move here. I could move here.
• 31:04
  Speaker B: Like, could you?
• 31:05
  Speaker A: Copenhagen is a city where, number one, I would go back in a heartbeat. I understand. There's a lot of the world I haven't seen yet. But this is a town where if you were like, hey, we're going to Copenhagen, I'd be like, I'm going with you the next time. Like, that's how glorious it was. It's just. It was.
• 31:16
  Speaker B: But was it only glorious because you went during like the summer?
• 31:19
  Speaker A: So. So, yeah, so I don't. I don't know that. I know it's balls cold. I know I'd have to go experience it in the winter. I don't. I don't know. Like. Also another cool thing. You watch the Bear.
• 31:28
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 31:29
  Speaker A: In the Bear there's a. Oh my God. What's the famous Michelin star restaurant? Numa. Numa, yes. Anyway, they talk about the Bear a lot because a lot of it's recorded there because they. In the Bear, they send the pastry chef to that restaurant so he can learn, if you remember. Anyway, so it's super cool because it was filmed the Bear. A lot of scenes of Bear.
• 31:48
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 31:48
  Speaker A: Anyway, that same owner of Numa, during COVID built a hamburger stand, I guess a restaurant more than anything else, so he could just, you know, give out hamburgers called Popple P O P L. Oh my God. Best hamburger in the world. So cool. We went there twice, actually. So. I mean, we didn't go to. We didn't go to Nooma or anything, but like, we. We were able to experience like little cool things about the place.
• 32:09
  Speaker B: So, I mean, that in and of itself is a fun fact.
• 32:11
  Speaker A: I thought so. Kind of a nice little tidbit. Yeah.
• 32:14
  Speaker B: Speaking of.
• 32:15
  Speaker A: Oh my God. No, wait, I have one more and then we'll go to Fun Facts. Yeah, yeah. No, Well, I guess it's a fun fact. Yeah, fine, fine. We'll start Fun Facts. I don't know.
• 32:21
  Speaker B: Great.
• 32:22
  Speaker A: We were talking about Danish.
• 32:22
  Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:23
  Speaker A: So there's a bakery there called Juno, named after my dog. Thank you very much. So super famous. I didn't realize most famous bakery in the world was just blocks away from us.
• 32:31
  Speaker B: Really?
• 32:31
  Speaker A: Yes. So we went to Juno Bakery and number one, obviously bought their. Like, Emma went in the morning and stood in line for like an hour and a half because she's a ding dong. Me and Luke went at like 3 o' clock in the afternoon and the line was like, you know, 10 people wasn't a big deal. I didn't realize how famous the bakery was. Ridiculous. But we also bought their I don't cookbook or bakery book.
• 32:52
  Speaker B: Oh, okay.
• 32:52
  Speaker A: Yeah. So we brought it home so Emma could learn. Love it.
• 32:55
  Speaker B: Oh, my God.
• 32:55
  Speaker A: Yes. Juno Bakery. Unbelievable. Best pastries on the planet. Most famous bakery in the world. We were there.
• 33:04
  Speaker B: That's so cool.
• 33:05
  Speaker A: Love it. Okay, all right. That was fun fact one. We'll just call that fun fact one.
• 33:08
  Speaker B: Great.
• 33:08
  Speaker A: But now real fun facts. So if you order the smura bruth, that's like the open faced sandwich. That's basically like their national dish. And yes, I had to have that while we were there. I learned, because I'm a total tourist, you eat it with a fork and knife, not your hands. Because the first time I ordered, I ate it with my hands and I looked like an idiot. And I was the total tourist. And then I realized what everybody else was doing because we went to another part of town and ordered it where, like, normal people were not tourists. And I was like, oh, that would be like in America, like if somebody was eating a hot dog with a fork and knife. And we'd be like, hey, dummy, you don't eat a hot dog with a fork and knife. Right. So opposite. But that's it. I fell into that. That trap. Okay. Anyway.
• 33:42
  Speaker B: But it was actually self awareness.
• 33:44
  Speaker A: Do you like fish?
• 33:44
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 33:45
  Speaker A: You got to go to Copenhagen. I mean, it's excellent. Okay, sorry. Number three. Okay. Copenhagen's harbor water is clean enough that not only can you swim right in the middle of the sea, can you imagine, like, in the east river in New York, US trying to swim? You can. It's the most polluted river in the world. Right. Okay. When we were on our canal cruise, Michelle, she had a cup. Obviously, she does this all the time. She put the cup in the water, pulled it out. I mean, Amanda, crystal clear water. You could drink the water. It was unbelievable. I thought that was the coolest thing ever. Okay.
• 34:14
  Speaker B: Things that you only imagine in storybooks.
• 34:16
  Speaker A: I know. Their recycling system is so far advanced compared to us. There's so much we can learn from other countries, it's crazy. Okay, number four. Okay, we talked about this. Denmark has more registered bicycles than people. Insane.
• 34:28
  Speaker B: You have to register your bike, though.
• 34:29
  Speaker A: Apparently you do.
• 34:30
  Speaker B: That seems like.
• 34:30
  Speaker A: And I mean, theoretically, I don't know how they figure that out, but whatever. And why would there be more? But I don't know. It's a stat. I looked it up. And also, super fun fact. They also have the best Racer in the world, in my opinion. Remember the Tour de France?
• 34:40
  Speaker B: Oh, yes. Yes.
• 34:41
  Speaker A: Jonas Vindegaard is my favorite cyclist. He did not win this year because he. I don't know, it was stage 12. He crashed out. It was terrible, and he couldn't finish the race. But he's my favorite from Denmark. And every time I brought him up, people, like, lit up. Cause they're like, oh, my God, do you know this guy? I'm like, oh, my God, I know this guy. I love this guy. So I had, like, little connections with people because I knew their culture a little bit. Okay. And finally, Copenhagen's been ranked the world's most livable city multiple times on totally separate studies for any happiness, ranking, stability, healthcare, culture, environment, education, infrastructure, different studies, doesn't matter. The same city always keeps landing on top.
• 35:19
  Speaker B: Well, now I just feel like I have to go visit. You made it sound, like, so magical.
• 35:22
  Speaker A: Like, by the way, just for the record, you remember, I went to Copenhagen, Denmark, and then to four different cities in Norway and Germany. And all I'm talking about is, is Copenhagen. I went to. And I went to Sweden. I went four fucking places. And Copenhagen was that good that I decided, let's just talk about Copenhagen. I mean, Sweden was great. Don't get me wrong. Norway was unbelievable, like all the cute little towns. But there is something special about Copenhagen.
• 35:46
  Speaker B: All right, if our listeners want to learn a little bit more about it besides going and visiting, what else you got for them?
• 35:52
  Speaker A: I don't even know. I don't think I got anything, really. I just would say, do what I did, which is go to their official website, visit Copenhagen, and learn about what you want to learn about. Right from the horse's mouth. Because that's what I use to plan my trip. And it was excellent. If you don't want to do that, just DM me on Instagram and I'll give you all these sort of sophisticated details so you know what to do and you're ready to go. That's kind of it.
• 36:13
  Speaker B: All right, then maybe just remember these little details to seem sort of sophisticated.
• 36:17
  Speaker A: Oh, we're going to see how this goes. You're going to try to sum up for me. Did you take your little notes on your computer over there? Let's see what you got. Go.
• 36:24
  Speaker B: Maybe.
• 36:24
  Speaker A: Let's see. Let's see how you summed this up. I want to see. Go. What do you got?
• 36:28
  Speaker B: Okay, first, Copenhagen runs on a trust level, as you've so called it.
• 36:32
  Speaker A: That's right.
• 36:32
  Speaker B: So most of us have never lived inside of it here in America, but it's actually like measurable because they did this study with the lost wallet, the wallet test. And 80% of people.
• 36:42
  Speaker A: 82. Yes. Unbelievable. Good.
• 36:44
  Speaker B: It's good start as Americans. Womp, womp. But here we are. Second, Hygge isn't like candles and blankets and just cozy. You experience the culture of it in real life.
• 36:56
  Speaker A: Yes, Hante.
• 36:58
  Speaker B: Yes. The way that they live the. It's like a cultural rule against standing out.
• 37:03
  Speaker A: Check your ego at the door. That's what they should. When you get off the airplane, that's what you should say. No egos, bitches.
• 37:09
  Speaker B: You know what's interesting, I think is like to me anyways, I feel like anybody who's visiting a new country should always just check their egos. Durr. So just saying.
• 37:17
  Speaker A: Yep.
• 37:18
  Speaker B: Live it. Third, the cost of living is real, but a huge amount of it comes back to residents as healthcare, education and a safety net.
• 37:26
  Speaker A: Yes. Very well run.
• 37:27
  Speaker B: Which is also fascinating because it's not a socialistic country. No free market. Right. Capitalism is all there. But somehow they have figured out how to unite the community.
• 37:37
  Speaker A: They've done a good job. And I get it. I was only there six days, so I'm sure there's like all this stuff underneath. Yeah, but it seemed organized af.
• 37:44
  Speaker B: I love it. Okay. Fourth, you don't really need to prepare much.
• 37:46
  Speaker A: No.
• 37:47
  Speaker B: Right. You spoke English the whole trip.
• 37:49
  Speaker A: They spoke English.
• 37:50
  Speaker B: Tapped to pay to go.
• 37:52
  Speaker A: Yep.
• 37:53
  Speaker B: I mean, you can probably get away with anything for three to four or five plus days easily.
• 37:57
  Speaker A: It was very low stress.
• 37:58
  Speaker B: Right.
• 37:58
  Speaker A: Very low stress.
• 37:59
  Speaker B: Get out of the city too. See all of the different.
• 38:01
  Speaker A: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the. That's the cool part about it all, is go to all the different places.
• 38:05
  Speaker B: All right.
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  Speaker A: Very well said. Good way to end it. There you have it, your listeners. We came in today thinking Copenhagen was the happiest city on earth. We're leaving knowing it's actually something a little stricter than that little bit of stuff underneath a place that built its calm on purpose and asks something in return for it. If we did our job. Today, you're walking away with a little less of the postcard version of Copenhagen. Not so much everyone there just figured it out, but more like the coziness actually has rules underneath it. And it's not just luck. It's like designed as always. Hit subscribe, Leave us a review and share it with a friend who's already got Copenhagen on their bucket list and thinks it's just bikes and kickass pastries. Until next time. Stay curious. Keep watching, wondering. And remember, the happiest places aren't the ones with the least rules. They're the ones that picked their rules and stuck with them.