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135: Two Women, Two Fates in Chatsworth, GA · Common Mystics

• 0:01
  Speaker A: Hey, guys, it's Jill. Jen and I wanted to give you a heads up about the content on today's episode. It may be triggering for more sensitive audiences. Refer to the show notes for more specifics, and take care while you listen.
• 0:21
  Speaker B: On this episode of Common Mystics, we tell the story of two women whose lives are linked in. In the history of Georgia state law. But are they also linked in spirit, too? This one has a lot of twists and turns, people. I'm Jennifer James.
• 0:39
  Speaker A: I'm Jill Stanley.
• 0:40
  Speaker B: We're psychics.
• 0:41
  Speaker A: We're sisters.
• 0:42
  Speaker B: We are common mystics. We find extraordinary stories in ordinary places. And today's story takes us to Chatsworth, Georgia.
• 0:51
  Speaker A: That's right, Jennifer. So you know what we were doing? We left the hotel in Chattanooga to. To explore the area. We were there for our niece's wedding. Very fun. Great area. So we head into northwestern Georgia.
• 1:10
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 1:10
  Speaker A: And we set our intention. Do you remember what that intention is?
• 1:13
  Speaker B: Of course I do. Jill, do you remember what our intention is?
• 1:16
  Speaker A: I do, but I like when you say it.
• 1:18
  Speaker B: I like when you say it.
• 1:19
  Speaker A: I never say it. You always say it.
• 1:21
  Speaker B: Fine, I'll say it. I don't know why it's suddenly my job to always say it suddenly.
• 1:25
  Speaker A: We've been doing this five years.
• 1:26
  Speaker B: I've never said it. Did it ever occur to you that it might? I used to take a break. No, I'm just kidding. I. I'm fine with saying, are you ready for it?
• 1:34
  Speaker A: Please. I just went through a whole emotional journey right now. I was like, what is happening? Okay. Okay.
• 1:39
  Speaker B: All right. Okay. Our intention was that day, as it always is, Jill. It always is that we ask the spirits to lead us to a verifiable story previously unknown to us that allows us to give voice to the voiceless.
• 1:56
  Speaker A: Very, very good.
• 1:57
  Speaker B: Thank you.
• 1:57
  Speaker A: Now we're driving. Yes, Jen, we're driving. We're driving the way I do. And then you're picking up on what?
• 2:04
  Speaker B: I was picking up on the death of women. In particular. Like, women's deaths.
• 2:12
  Speaker A: Okay. So we stop in a town called Chatsworth.
• 2:17
  Speaker B: That's right.
• 2:17
  Speaker A: And we ate at the Shaky Mutt. Do you remember? Delicious.
• 2:22
  Speaker B: I do remember because they specialized in hot dogs and very creative shakes.
• 2:29
  Speaker A: When you say shakes, do you mean the kind of milk? Yeah.
• 2:33
  Speaker B: Milkshakes.
• 2:33
  Speaker A: Yep. Yum.
• 2:35
  Speaker B: You know, like the really fancy kind that has all the extras piled up on top.
• 2:41
  Speaker A: I do. It looked like a lot for me.
• 2:43
  Speaker B: Yeah. It was too much for Jill Zempic. Jill Zempic.
• 2:49
  Speaker A: Okay, so we're driving around this super cute town. And we're very much drawn to a location. Can you tell us a little bit about the historic building on the corner of second Avenue and Market?
• 3:03
  Speaker B: As soon as we saw it, we pulled over because we're like, hold everything. This place was calling to us. It just felt really charged. I remember seeing it on the corner thinking, what is that? Do you remember? Do you remember what it looked like?
• 3:18
  Speaker A: Yeah, I do remember exactly what it looked like. How can you describe it really, Jennifer? It was a three story brick structure with a wraparound two story porch.
• 3:29
  Speaker B: Yeah. So it had like, it was brick, but then it had this white painted wooden, like structure, like legs all the way around. Just felt very atmospheric. Very, very vibey. So we, we pulled over, we walked.
• 3:45
  Speaker A: Over to it and it was named.
• 3:49
  Speaker B: There was a sign.
• 3:50
  Speaker A: Yes. And the signed named the structure as the right hotel 1909. And it was taken care of by the Whitfield Murray Historical Society.
• 4:04
  Speaker B: That is correct. That's what the sign told us. So we knew right away it was a historic building. We spent some time walking around the outside of the building and there was a lot of energy present that we could feel. Do you remember that?
• 4:19
  Speaker A: Yeah, I remember the building being locked. I remember that specifically.
• 4:26
  Speaker B: You guys, anytime we are anywhere and we feel vibes, the first thing Jill does is try to break in. No joke.
• 4:32
  Speaker A: I do not try to break in.
• 4:33
  Speaker B: Well, you try the doors.
• 4:35
  Speaker A: I try the door. What? That's not breaking in. And if it's open, then I would just be like, hello.
• 4:44
  Speaker B: Right. It was locked to us. It was not open. And we. We could not get access to the inside of the building.
• 4:51
  Speaker A: We've been invited in by spirit. Can we. We're going to walk in now. Is that cool? No. Okay, great.
• 4:58
  Speaker B: We're in. Right?
• 4:59
  Speaker A: Spirit told us. We're psychics. We're sisters. It's a whole thing. Yeah. You'll be on a podcast that about three people listen to, if that's cool. Yeah.
• 5:10
  Speaker B: So we sensed a lot of spirit outside the building. We couldn't get in and we weren't in town long. You know how we do it? We stop and we move on. So it's not like we can make an appointment. Although I would like to go back. But there was a particular entity that we both felt. Tell us about that entity.
• 5:29
  Speaker A: There was a woman's energy and it felt like it was coming from the second story and it was really intent on us. It was like, like, you know when you can tell someone's looking at you and then you look at them and they're looking at you. That's how this energy felt. Like they were looking at us. And she felt like a woman and she was trying to get our attention by her stare.
• 5:47
  Speaker B: Yes. I never saw her, like, as an apparition. Did you?
• 5:53
  Speaker A: No, I felt her.
• 5:54
  Speaker B: I felt her, too. I felt her standing in one of the upstairs windows looking at us. But when I looked in that window, I couldn't see her. I just intently felt. Felt her staring, but I never saw her. True. What kind of vibes was she giving you? Like, what kind of a woman was she? Did she feel like a maid? Did she feel like a worker? Did she feel like someone who was staying at the hotel? Like, tell us about what you were feeling in the moment. Feeling that energy in the moment.
• 6:24
  Speaker A: My recollection is just noticing this intent energy coming at me. Me looking up and feeling like I was making eye contact with a very strong woman presence. You were getting more of a detail about this woman. Do you want to describe what you were feeling from her?
• 6:44
  Speaker B: Of course. What I was feeling was that she was not someone who worked at the hotel. She felt like a guest of the hotel, meaning she was renting a room. It also felt like she was there for, like, even the notes say sexy time in quotations. Do you know what I'm saying? So it wasn't like she and her husband, who were in town for an event, spending the night, it was like, you know, it was like she. She was there for. For a room with a man. Like, it had like. Like a young, you know, sexy, seedy, almost quality of why she was there. She felt like. She felt. Not like she was no good, but you know what I'm saying? It was just.
• 7:30
  Speaker A: No, I don't.
• 7:31
  Speaker B: Shut up, Jill.
• 7:32
  Speaker A: What are you trying to say?
• 7:33
  Speaker B: You know what I'm trying to say?
• 7:35
  Speaker A: I don't understand.
• 7:35
  Speaker B: She's there for a good time.
• 7:37
  Speaker A: Okay, so she was there, like, renting the room by the hour. Good time kind of thing.
• 7:42
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 7:42
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 7:43
  Speaker B: Like, that's. That's the vibe. Like, not a married. You know what I mean? She wasn't.
• 7:47
  Speaker A: Shut up. Yeah, shut up.
• 7:49
  Speaker B: Okay.
• 7:49
  Speaker A: No, I totally get you.
• 7:50
  Speaker B: Get me. Okay.
• 7:51
  Speaker A: Totally get it. Totally get it. And you feel like she was connected to the hotel in some way?
• 7:57
  Speaker B: Yes, it did. Well, the fact that she was inside look and calling to us, like, looking out at us from it definitely made me feel like she was connected to that hotel in some way. Yes.
• 8:10
  Speaker A: Okay. So I got to tell you, I remember walking around this town. Right, Right. Like, I Remember, like, leaving the Shaky Mutt Mutts and going across the street and it was Kitty corner from the Shaky Mutt that, if I'm recollecting this correctly. And then we walked around and there was construction crew on the street.
• 8:36
  Speaker B: Sounds right.
• 8:37
  Speaker A: Yeah. And then we went to the courthouse. But you were, like, you were embarrassed that we were walking around getting our vibes on in front of the construction. It was like you picked this street to go down. But we had.
• 8:50
  Speaker B: We.
• 8:50
  Speaker A: We ended up at the courthouse. Do you remember that?
• 8:53
  Speaker B: Yeah. Because I'm always the asshole holding the notebook and, like, taking notes.
• 8:57
  Speaker A: Yeah, that's true.
• 8:59
  Speaker B: I do. I remember being at the courthouse and we're like, why are we at the courthouse? Do you know what I mean?
• 9:04
  Speaker A: Walked around it.
• 9:05
  Speaker B: We walked around it. And you. And I couldn't feel anything specific from the courthouse. Energetically. At least I couldn't.
• 9:14
  Speaker A: Well, I wasn't feeling. I was. I was more intrigued by making fun of you with the notebook and, like.
• 9:21
  Speaker B: Putting you in an uncomfortable situation with the construction workers.
• 9:25
  Speaker A: Hey, Jen. Yeah. Yes. But I did recognize that the courthouse must have something to do with our story as a breadcrumb. Agree not.
• 9:32
  Speaker B: But it wasn't haunting. Yes, Right.
• 9:35
  Speaker A: Right.
• 9:35
  Speaker B: Yes. Agreed.
• 9:36
  Speaker A: Okay. So you, my sister.
• 9:39
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 9:39
  Speaker A: My dearest.
• 9:41
  Speaker B: My dearest.
• 9:42
  Speaker A: You took on some of the research.
• 9:45
  Speaker B: Well, you know, here's what happened, if we're going to be completely honest. You began the research. I did. And then you reached out to me because you were like, I need I. Help me with this? Because I don't know how to make.
• 9:57
  Speaker A: Sense of all this. Rabbit holes.
• 9:59
  Speaker B: Rabbit hole after rabbit hole. And so then we tag teamed it, and I mean, the whole thing is so topsy turvy. I. I can't wait to get into it because it's. You guys. It is not to be believed. Like, what this story is and what we found. And like, at every turn, it was a surprise.
• 10:20
  Speaker A: True.
• 10:20
  Speaker B: So should we start there?
• 10:22
  Speaker A: Well, start. Take me back to the history of the Wright Hotel in Chadworth, Georgia, if you would.
• 10:28
  Speaker B: Of course. Well, that's where we started with the research. Because when I started looking into the story, I went back to the notes, and it was really clear that we both had an experience at that location. So my first question was, all right, let's learn about the location. And so the historic Wright Hotel is, as we mentioned, in Chatsworth, in downtown Chatsworth is a charming reminder of the early 20th century. Thomas Wright, founder of the Wright Hotel, opened this once thriving establishment in 1909. At that time. Chatswort was a rural town, but it was becoming a destination for visitors from both the north and the south. And people were drawn to Chatsworth by its refreshing mineral springs, cool mountain air, and hearty southern style cooking. So the location was beginning to be a draw. And a man of many talents. Mr. Wright was a farmer, but he was also a builder and an architect. And Mr. Wright, alongside his cousin, oversaw the construction of this elegant three story hotel, which is still standing.
• 11:50
  Speaker A: I was just looking at the map and I'm absolutely right. My memory does serve.
• 11:53
  Speaker B: I'm so glad you're engaged in my discussion of the right hotel.
• 11:57
  Speaker A: Well, I love. I love the right hotel, but I wanted to make sure that my memory was correct because, you know, you're so. I looked at a map and yeah, yeah, I'm. I was right.
• 12:07
  Speaker B: Okay, well, I'm glad you were right, but I was just saying how Mr. Wright. Speaking of being right, Mr. Wright had a hand in the design and building of this hotel. And I think that itself, the pride and, you know, being a part of that special, it makes it really special. And it also adds to the energy of the place. So I'm just. We'll just keep going, but I think that's really special.
• 12:32
  Speaker A: I think so too.
• 12:34
  Speaker B: Now, more than just a business, the hotel also served as the Wright family home. They lived there. Thomas Wright, his wife, and their six children. Wow. To bring his vision to life, Mr. Wright rented a brick plant for a year to create the rose colored bricks that were used to. To make the building, to build the building.
• 12:59
  Speaker A: He really loved this place.
• 13:02
  Speaker B: And the. The pine lumber was sourced from his own family farm and aged for a year to ensure its quality. Quality.
• 13:11
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 13:12
  Speaker B: So again, a lot of love went into every brick, every piece of wood in this building. Again, lots of vibes there.
• 13:20
  Speaker A: It's really special.
• 13:22
  Speaker B: The hotel was in operation between 1909 into the 1960s. And over the years, the Wright Hotel welcomed a diverse array of guests, including jurors. Jurors who were, you know, working at the courthouse and maybe had to. Needed a place to stay in town. Also school teachers, judges, politicians, honeymooners. And it became a cherished landmark in the community.
• 13:57
  Speaker A: It still is.
• 13:59
  Speaker B: It still is. Today. The hotel has been thoughtfully preserved, complete with period appropriate furniture and artifacts, which again, I really think that adds to the energy of the place. Every piece of furniture, every artifact in it. It really is a museum. And everything holds on to energy of the time. Among the highlights is a rock at the base of the stairs. I once used to hold Mail for guests. Rocks can hold a lot of energy too.
• 14:36
  Speaker A: True.
• 14:38
  Speaker B: And there is also a seven foot tub where Mr. Right was baptized.
• 14:45
  Speaker A: That's what I'm saying. You need a large tub for this girl. You know what I mean? To spread out.
• 14:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. I have a tub, and it's too short for me, and it's a constant source of frustration.
• 14:57
  Speaker A: I have a tub that's too short for me. So when I spread out, my feet touch the wall.
• 15:02
  Speaker B: Mine too.
• 15:03
  Speaker A: Yeah.
• 15:03
  Speaker B: That's the only way to do it.
• 15:05
  Speaker A: Mine's an extra long tub.
• 15:06
  Speaker B: Mine is not an extra long tub.
• 15:08
  Speaker A: Mine is. And I still. My feet are still on the wall.
• 15:10
  Speaker B: Well, you are a very long individual.
• 15:13
  Speaker A: True.
• 15:14
  Speaker B: Yes. Let's continue. So, yeah, there's original furniture, pottery baskets, and there's also a unique collection of nursing artifacts belonging to Kate Rain. Mr. Wright's daughter, Kate Raine served as a nurse on the Southwestern Indian reservations.
• 15:37
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 15:39
  Speaker B: Additionally, hotel registers from the 1920s provide an intriguing look at the guests who stayed here during its heyday as a thriving business. So they still have the guest books.
• 15:50
  Speaker A: That's cool. Yeah, that's really cool.
• 15:53
  Speaker B: Yeah. This is an online source. The Southwestern quote. Indian reservations. I generally don't use the word Indian. I'd say Native American, but I'm taking this. I believe this was from the Historical Society website. Just had to say that because you felt weird saying. Well, I did feel weird. And I kind of cringed a little and kept going. And I go, jennifer, you can't just keep going after saying that. You have to say something.
• 16:17
  Speaker A: Let's talk about the elephant in the room.
• 16:21
  Speaker B: Okay, so Mrs. Kate Rayne, the nurse, Mr. Wright's daughter, she became the holder of the Wright Hotel and bequeathed it to the Historical Society upon her passing in 1986.
• 16:38
  Speaker A: She did the right thing because they took good care of this building.
• 16:41
  Speaker B: They did. And in response, the Historical Society committed to preserving and maintaining the property in a condition as true to its original state as possible. And today, the site proudly holds a place on the national register of historic Places.
• 16:58
  Speaker A: Okay, so, Jen. Yeah, I was in rabbit holes. You took the lead. Yeah, we were looking for a woman connected to this hotel.
• 17:05
  Speaker B: Yes, we were.
• 17:05
  Speaker A: Was there a woman there that was, like, murdered or was there a woman there that was a murderer? Tell me everything.
• 17:11
  Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. Because we both felt a woman's presence. So the first thing I did was try to find. Okay, is there a woman connected to the right hotel in some tragic event? Okay, that's where I started. And you know what I found? A story online.
• 17:27
  Speaker A: Shut your face. Right?
• 17:28
  Speaker B: And it seemed to corroborate exactly what we were feeling like. Seat. Like, I don't want to say seedy woman, but you know what I'm saying? Like.
• 17:35
  Speaker A: No, I don't. What do you mean?
• 17:36
  Speaker B: Shut up. Like a sexy time woman. Sexy time. Yes, exactly. And here's what I found. Are you ready for this?
• 17:45
  Speaker A: I am ready for this.
• 17:48
  Speaker B: So, according to online sources, in 1928, a woman named Mabel Klein, 32 years old, she was a self reliant woman from Florida who traveled to Chatsworth, Georgia, where she booked a stay day at the historic Wright Hotel. Although she arrived on her own, Mabel was often spotted in the company of a local man named Ted Fortner. See, already it's starting to get a little seedy. On August 10, 1928, tragedy unfolded when the hotel staff became alarmed after Mabel missed her checkout time. Their concerns prompted a call to the cops, leading to a grim discovery.
• 18:44
  Speaker A: Oh.
• 18:46
  Speaker B: Mabel's lifeless body was found in her room, marked by multiple stab wounds. And the sheer violence of the attack suggested that. That she may have known her killer. In other words, it was a crime of passion. Initial suspicions of robbery arose when her purse was discovered ransacked. The murder purportedly shook the Chatsworth community to its core, sparking serious concerns about guests safety and casting a shadow over the hotel's reputation. And the case garnered widespread media attention, drawing scrutiny to both Mabel's tragic death and the storied history of the hotel. Now, witnesses reported seeing Ted Fortner with Mabel shortly before her death, and others claim to have seen him leaving the hotel around the time of the crime. Ultimately, Fortner was charged with the murder of Mabel Klein. But in a turn of events, in 1929, Fortner was acquitted of all charges, a verdict that sparked considerable tension within the community. As the first major criminal trial in Chatsworth, the case drew intense media attention and left a lasting mark on the history of the town. Fascinating story, Jill. Don't you think?
• 20:29
  Speaker A: It is fascinating. So Mabel Klein, the woman in the window, calling out to us. No. Huh? Is that her, you think?
• 20:36
  Speaker B: Well, that's what we thought initially. And the funny thing was. So I'm finding these dates, you know, 1928, 1929. Media attention, certainly there's gotta be some old newspaper articles chronicling this event, right? Because according to Google, this was huge. And it was in all the papers. I couldn't find anything. Anything.
• 20:58
  Speaker A: I know. And then you tickled my ego by being like, jill, will you please look? Because you are so good at Ancestry. And you are so prolific with thenewspapers.com. will you please take up the lead and find some collaborating evidence regarding this case?
• 21:15
  Speaker B: Yeah, because I couldn't find anything. I'm like, come on, it's got to be somewhere. So, yes. And you. And to be all honest, you are. This was perfect for you. You are a sleuth when it comes to these online sources. So, Jill, tell us, what did you find?
• 21:28
  Speaker A: Well, first, I want to give you a shout out that you actually contacted the person that wrote this information in a blog post.
• 21:35
  Speaker B: One of the. One of the people who had been sharing the same information that is online in other sources. Yes, I did.
• 21:43
  Speaker A: I reached out and you were like, hey, can I get your source information on this. On this posting? Because I can't find anything. And what was the response?
• 21:52
  Speaker B: She said she would share it, and then we never heard from her again.
• 21:56
  Speaker A: She ghosted.
• 21:57
  Speaker B: Yeah. Okay, so I put you on the case.
• 22:00
  Speaker A: So I'm on the case. So I am going over every Fortner on Ancestry. Cannot find a Ted or Theodore Fortner. I am going through newspapers dot com. I am looking in a broad location. None of this. None of these names are adding up. None of the time frame is adding up. None of it. So I call the Historical Society because they know that they've been taking care of this hotel. And if it was that big of a deal, someone would know.
• 22:24
  Speaker B: Absolutely.
• 22:25
  Speaker A: Yeah. So I call the Historical Society, and a young lady answered, and she was like, I've never heard of anything that you're talking about, but this guy. I forgot his name. But she's like, call this guy, because he knows everything about the hotel, and he's been on the Historical Society for more than 40 years. So I'm like, okay. So.
• 22:45
  Speaker B: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding.
• 22:47
  Speaker A: So I call. This man answers. Very nice Southern gentleman. He's like. He's very suspicious of me, I may say. Like, I'm like, hi, I'm looking for information on this murder case and this murder investigation during the 1928. Whatever. And I'm giving him the names.
• 23:06
  Speaker B: And.
• 23:06
  Speaker A: And he's like, who are you? I'm like, I'm a psychic. I'm a sister. I have a podcast.
• 23:11
  Speaker B: Three people listen.
• 23:13
  Speaker A: Yeah. And he's all like, nothing you're saying is true. He's like, I'm related to the Fortners. There is no Theodore Fortnoor, number one. Number two, where did you get this trash information? I was like, well, I found it online, sir. And he's like, nothing. You're saying is true. He's like, as a matter of fact, you're actually. He pretty much told me you're very lucky I'm even talking to you because I'm a little unimpressed with these psychic impressions people get at the hotel because they're never verified.
• 23:41
  Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
• 23:43
  Speaker A: So apparently years of psychics coming to this place, feeling energy, and he's like, none of this is true. None of, like, nothing in connection to this hotel is what psychics have been picking up on the location. So he's like, so the fact that I'm even talking to you right now, I'm. The only reason why I am, is to give you, like, the true information. And I was like, damn. He's like, I'm impressed that you're actually doing the research instead of going with this trash that you found online. And I was like, well, sir, thank you so much. And he's like, a lot of people make a lot of money off of this misinformation. And I was like, well, trust me, sir, that is not us. I was like, that is. That is just not us. I'll tell you that right now. So I got off the phone with him and I called Jennifer and I was like, jen, do angry. Do so angry. It turns out it's completely fabricated. The historian was like, this is BS to the Maximus. And, yeah, he's angry that these stories about the hotel are out there. So.
• 24:45
  Speaker B: But he also told you a kernel of truth. A kernel of truth. A tiny lead that we were able to take.
• 24:55
  Speaker A: That's right.
• 24:56
  Speaker B: Tell us about that.
• 24:57
  Speaker A: He said. He said, what year is this? And I said, 1928. And he goes, okay, there was a famous, famous murder case where a woman was first convicted of murder and sent for capital punishment. And the jury was sequestered at the hotel that year. So it sounds like people are taking little bits of truth and turning it into this sensational case. He's like that. So that is the only thing he can say about 1928 at the Wright Hotel. And I was like, okay, well, that's interesting. The first woman to be executed. So I thought in Georgia. And so, okay, so that's what I call Jennifer with. But as I'm on the phone with Jennifer presenting what he said, I Google and some Lena Chicken is this. This woman? So I'm like, wait a second. What is happening? None of this makes sense. So please, who was he referring to? Who is the historician referring to? Tell me about that, and then we'll get to Lena, because it doesn't mesh.
• 26:03
  Speaker B: Okay, got you. So the first woman sentenced to death by electric chair in the state of Georgia was named Eula Thompson.
• 26:15
  Speaker A: It's an interesting name.
• 26:16
  Speaker B: It is an interesting Eula. E U L A And, Lena, the other woman that you brought up that we'll get to later, was the first person actually put to death by electric chair.
• 26:27
  Speaker A: The first woman.
• 26:28
  Speaker B: The first woman. Woman put to death by electric chair. We'll get to there later.
• 26:33
  Speaker A: There is a distinction between what he told me and what I believed he had said.
• 26:39
  Speaker B: Correct. So let's dive into Eula. Eula Thompson, the first woman sentenced to death by electric chair in the state of Georgia.
• 26:49
  Speaker A: Tell me how she got to that distinction.
• 26:52
  Speaker B: Shall we start with the incident?
• 26:54
  Speaker A: I was hoping you would.
• 26:57
  Speaker B: The incident. Dun dun, dun, dun. On the night of August 5, 1927, Coleman Osborne, a store and filling station owner, so basically a gas station slash mini mart type owner, was at home spending a quiet evening with his wife when he was summoned to assist a group of people who were in need of gasoline for their vehicle. So he responded to their request. He went to the service station. I imagine he lived, like, right next door or right close to his place of business. And he responded to their request and was helping them out. But during this interaction, he was fatally shot and left to die. The murderer shot Coleman Osborne, left him bleeding out as they fled into the night.
• 28:01
  Speaker A: Now, I want to stop you there, because do you remember the Bonnie and Clyde episode we did?
• 28:06
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 28:07
  Speaker A: The same thing happened.
• 28:08
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 28:09
  Speaker A: He's sleeping with his wife. He's a store owner, and they're knocking at the door like, come on, I need help. I need help. How dangerous was it to be a gas station owner back in the day.
• 28:21
  Speaker B: Back in the 1920s?
• 28:23
  Speaker A: And if someone's knocking at my door at night, hell to the I'm getting out of bed to give you gas. Or like, sorry, Charlie, move it on.
• 28:33
  Speaker B: So the investigation began immediately, and there was a gun that was discovered near the crime scene at Coleman Osborne's store. And it was identified as belonging to a man known as Clyde Thompson. Now, I say known as Clyde with, like, the little bunny quotes, because Clyde had a lot of names. I think his name was Clifford. And the more newspaper articles you read about him, he went by a lot of aliases, but we're gonna go with Clyde. So Clyde Thompson had the gun or owned the gun that was identified at the scene of the crime. And Jill, you mentioned Bonnie and Clyde. And I.
• 29:16
  Speaker A: Sure.
• 29:16
  Speaker B: 1928. This was the age of prohibition. And as it turns Out. Clyde Thompson was actively involved in bootlegging.
• 29:26
  Speaker A: All right, as much as it pains me to talk about these dark times in American history, can you please sum up what Prohibition was and who bootleggers were?
• 29:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, just for the. The few listeners who might not be Americans who don't know exactly what we're talking about. The Prohibition in the United States of America was a nationwide constitutional ban on the production, importation, transportation, and sale of alcoholic beverages.
• 30:00
  Speaker A: It was a damn shame. They were just destroying alcohol around this country. Wouldn't even let you drink the supplies on hand. They were like, nope, just trash. And just like, no, it was really dark times here.
• 30:13
  Speaker B: Does it make you tear up a little to think about all that wasted liquor?
• 30:17
  Speaker A: It really does.
• 30:18
  Speaker B: It was enacted through the 18th Amendment to the Constitution and the Volstead act, which prohibited the legal framework for enforcement. So they had a plan for enforcing it, too. They meant business. Now, Prohibition lasted from 1920 to 1933.
• 30:39
  Speaker A: That's a long time without a drink. Long break.
• 30:45
  Speaker B: I think a lot of people were drinking even though it was illegal.
• 30:48
  Speaker A: I mean, I know I would.
• 30:51
  Speaker B: Now, while prohibition aimed to reduce crime and improve public morals and moral decency, it actually had the opposite effect in many ways.
• 31:04
  Speaker A: You don't say.
• 31:06
  Speaker B: Because the. The ban on alcohol created a very, very lucrative black market, which led to the rise of organized crime, and criminal enterprises took over the production and distribution of illegal alcohol, often referred to as bootlegging.
• 31:27
  Speaker A: So Clyde Thompson, yes, he was a bootlegger, which meant.
• 31:34
  Speaker B: Which meant that he made whiskey, and. And he sold whiskey illegally. And at night, he would make his runs, delivering his illegal goods, but he couldn't do it alone.
• 31:50
  Speaker A: So who was with him on the night of the incident?
• 31:53
  Speaker B: Good question, Jill.
• 31:54
  Speaker A: If he couldn't do it alone with.
• 31:56
  Speaker B: Clyde Thompson on the night of the killing was a man named Jim Moss.
• 32:02
  Speaker A: He was a pro baseball player for one of the Chicago teams, but it was like, pre Cubs, White Sox, and it was like the Chicago Raiders or no way. Yeah. No swear.
• 32:13
  Speaker B: Huh? Jim Moss happened to be a black man who partnered with Clyde in his illegal dealings. Jim Moss was recognized by the widowed Mrs. Osborne. So this is how. This is how the whole thing came about, because Mrs. Osborne was also home, and she recognized Jim Moss. She actually said that Jim had called her husband earlier on the day of the murder to speak with him. Now, once Jim Moss was fingered as being one of the people there and potentially responsible for the murder of Mr. Osborne, he implicated Clyde Thompson and also his wife, Eula Thompson.
• 33:03
  Speaker A: I was gonna say where does Eula come in?
• 33:05
  Speaker B: Okay, here she is. She was there, too.
• 33:09
  Speaker A: Was there any evidence that suggests that she was a part of this crime?
• 33:13
  Speaker B: Well, the evidence revealed that on the night of the incident, Mrs. Thompson, her husband, Clyde, and Jim Moss traveled from their home in Tennessee to Chatsworth, Georgia. Okay. And the testimony indicated that they were transporting whiskey, and they ran out of gas along the way, prompting them to stop at Osborne's store and wake him up. They parked the car nearby, and Thompson and Moss went inside, leaving Eula Thompson waiting in the vehicle. The two men called Osborne from his bedroom, and he came to the store to assist them. Then, shortly afterward, Coleman Osborne was robbed, and there were several gunshots that rang out. The facts of what exactly happened are still unknown, but several gunshots rang out, and Osborne was wounded fatally. Then Thompson, Clyde Thompson, and Moss returned to the car where Eula was waiting, and the group drove back to their Tennessee hometown. And authorities arrested them several days days later.
• 34:26
  Speaker A: Why couldn't they just get the gas? Why did they have to do that?
• 34:29
  Speaker B: I know.
• 34:30
  Speaker A: Like, seriously.
• 34:33
  Speaker B: So Clyde Thompson and Jim Moss both protested that they were innocent entirely. However, the two were tried, convicted, and electrocuted for their supposed crimes. They both. They both received the death penalty and the electric chair.
• 34:54
  Speaker A: Now, you said that Eula was the first woman sentenced to be electrocuted.
• 35:01
  Speaker B: That is right.
• 35:02
  Speaker A: Okay, so she got electrocuted.
• 35:05
  Speaker B: Well, so let me tell you how it happened. Okay. What had happened was Eula Thompson claimed that she was home the night of the killing.
• 35:16
  Speaker A: She.
• 35:17
  Speaker B: She did not ever admit to being there. Still, she was tried as an accessory to the murder of Coleman Osborne. The Murray county jury, after being sequestered in the right hotel in downtown Chatsworth, Georgia, where we were, returned its verdict, quote, without recommendation, which, according to Georgia state law, meant that it carried the death penalty. So even though they weren't making a recommendation, it automatically meant she was sentenced to death.
• 35:56
  Speaker A: Got it.
• 35:57
  Speaker B: So Eula Thompson became the first woman in the history of the state of Georgia to be sentenced to the electric chair.
• 36:04
  Speaker A: So she was electrocuted.
• 36:07
  Speaker B: Actually, no, because on November 21, 1928, Governor L.G. hardman commuted Eula's death sentence to a sentence of life imprisonment instead.
• 36:20
  Speaker A: Okay, how did he come to that decision?
• 36:24
  Speaker B: Good question. Have you heard of phrenology, Jill?
• 36:29
  Speaker A: Only because you explained it to me earlier this week.
• 36:33
  Speaker B: So, Jill, splain it to everyone listening. What is phrenology?
• 36:38
  Speaker A: So, you know those busts that had, like, the bald head and there's, like, a map of someone's head on the bust. So that is phrenology. So you touch someone's head and feel where bumps or lumps are.
• 36:55
  Speaker B: Bumps, ridges, plateaus. Yes.
• 36:59
  Speaker A: And then you look at the bust's corresponding map, and then you're like, oh, this person seems like a happy person, or this person seems like a credible person, or this person seems a little sus. And so that is what the governor.
• 37:15
  Speaker B: He believed in that.
• 37:17
  Speaker A: Yes.
• 37:18
  Speaker B: Governor Hardman believed in phrenology and believed that you could examine the shape of a person's skull and determine what their character was.
• 37:29
  Speaker A: Would you believe if I told you that is now debunked? No. As a pseudoscience.
• 37:34
  Speaker B: Yes. No, it. It is.
• 37:36
  Speaker A: We don't do that today.
• 37:37
  Speaker B: Yes, now, debunked pseudoscience. Correct. But Eula's head was examined, and he confidently proclaimed that she was incapable of being a murderer because the shape of her skull, because of the bumps and divots and general landscape of her head, made it impossible for her to be guilty of this.
• 38:00
  Speaker A: There is absolutely no way that this was official documents. It.
• 38:04
  Speaker B: Well, in the official documents, the governor stated that the evidence and records did not substantiate Mrs. Thompson's involvement in a conspiracy to murder Osborne. Now, that I can see. If she was just waiting in the car, you know, I can see. And it's possible that the three of them didn't go with the intent on murdering Osborne. They probably intended on robbing him.
• 38:29
  Speaker A: True.
• 38:30
  Speaker B: I mean, why not?
• 38:32
  Speaker A: I know, but.
• 38:33
  Speaker B: And there was probably a struggle.
• 38:35
  Speaker A: Such a waste. It just makes me so angry. Okay, so she's no longer going to get the death penalty. What did she get instead?
• 38:43
  Speaker B: So you would think that maybe she spent the rest of her life behind bars, but. But no. Eula spent eight years in jail. That's. That's a long time. Eight years in jail until another Georgia governor, Governor Eugene Talmadge, pardoned her altogether. Pardoned her. And Eula was released from prison, free to live out her life.
• 39:09
  Speaker A: Okay, so I have a couple questions for you. Okay, question one.
• 39:14
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 39:16
  Speaker A: Do you believe that Eula is the woman in the hotel looking at us, coming through to us that day?
• 39:27
  Speaker B: I do.
• 39:29
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 39:29
  Speaker B: I do.
• 39:30
  Speaker A: So do you believe she's our voiceless.
• 39:32
  Speaker B: Well, actually, there's where. I don't think she's our voiceless. Here. Eula's story as the first woman to be sentenced to electrocution in the state of Georgia is really pretty well known in the state.
• 39:46
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 39:46
  Speaker B: But the other woman you mentioned who came through in our research, her story marks another significant event in the history of the Georgia justice system.
• 39:57
  Speaker A: Okay. And that was Lena Baker.
• 39:59
  Speaker B: Lena Baker.
• 40:01
  Speaker A: What happened to Lena Baker? Who was she?
• 40:05
  Speaker B: Lena was the first woman in the state of Georgia to be executed by electrocution. She was the first woman to actually be put to death in the chair.
• 40:18
  Speaker A: Geez. Oh, Pete. So give me Lena's story. How did she get there?
• 40:23
  Speaker B: Lena's story is very, very different from the story of Eula Thompson. Lena Baker was an African American woman born into a poor southern family of sharecroppers in the year 1900.
• 40:39
  Speaker A: For those of us that are living outside of the United States, can you explain what sharecropping was?
• 40:46
  Speaker B: My understanding, and I haven't looked this up, but my understanding of sharecropping was that poor people who couldn't own their own farm would farm other people's farms for, I don't know, money and. Or the produce, you know, the goods. But it was what poor people did if they didn't own their own land. And it was really hard to earn enough through sharecropping to ever get ahead. You were always kind of. I don't want to say a slave to the landowners, but you kind of were because you. You couldn't. Could never earn enough, you know, to. To make your own. To work your own property. So that's what.
• 41:32
  Speaker A: It's almost like a legal form of slavery, wouldn't you say?
• 41:36
  Speaker B: I don't know enough about it to make that statement. That is a strong statement, but it certainly wasn't. It certainly wasn't a good position. And I think a lot of former slaves found themselves. Former people who were enslaved, I should say, found themselves in a position being sharecroppers in the South.
• 41:59
  Speaker A: So Lena Baker was an African American woman, like you said, born to a poor southern family of sharecroppers in the year 1900.
• 42:06
  Speaker B: That's exactly right. Now, by the early 1940s, Lena was a mother of three who was working as a maid in Cuthbert, Georgia, to support her family. In 1944, when Lena was about 43 years old, she began working for an older white man named Ernest B. Knight.
• 42:29
  Speaker A: Now.
• 42:31
  Speaker B: Knight was 23 years her senior, and he was a local grist mill owner. So he was a man of means, and he had money, and he hired Lena to take care of him while he was recovering from a broken leg.
• 42:48
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 42:49
  Speaker B: In the town of Cuthbert, it was widely known that Knight was an alcoholic. Ernest B. Knight was a heavy drinker. And not only that, he frequently carried a pistol strapped to his shoulder.
• 43:06
  Speaker A: Oh, those don't Mix, yo.
• 43:08
  Speaker B: So he was a guy who was stumbling around town often drunk and loaded. Literally had a loaded gun on him. Now, before long, it became clear to people in the community that Knight was having relations with Lena.
• 43:30
  Speaker A: What do you mean?
• 43:31
  Speaker B: Carnal relations? Meaning that he was having sex with Lena. He was probably talking about it.
• 43:43
  Speaker A: Yeah. I would like to think it was consensual, but I think drunk with gun is not really Lena's type.
• 43:50
  Speaker B: But. Well, and. And he has money and he's a white man, and. Yeah, I mean, he's a. He's a business owner in the community. So who has the power here? It's not Lena.
• 44:03
  Speaker A: Not Lena.
• 44:05
  Speaker B: So the community didn't like the idea of the two of them being together.
• 44:11
  Speaker A: Yeah. Shacking up, bumping uglies.
• 44:14
  Speaker B: So neighbors, People in town started harassing Lena and threatening her life if she continued to see Knight.
• 44:25
  Speaker A: Oh, my God. So, I mean, potentially she's being raped. Right. And then goes into the, like, the streets of town to, like, go get butter or whatever. And then people are like, you people harassing her. Yeah.
• 44:36
  Speaker B: Even the county sheriff.
• 44:38
  Speaker A: I'm sure she was like, yeah, I. Not my thing. Like, I wish I didn't have to be in this situation.
• 44:44
  Speaker B: Right. I was saying, even the county sheriff warned Lena that if she continued to associate with Knight, she was going to be thrown into jail. And once Knight's own son actually beat Lena, beat her as a warning to stay away from his father.
• 45:07
  Speaker A: Wow.
• 45:07
  Speaker B: Can you believe this?
• 45:09
  Speaker A: This unreal. Again, probably being raped.
• 45:14
  Speaker B: So Lena tried to end the quote, unquote relationship, but Knight responded by imprisoning her in his gristmill for days at a time.
• 45:26
  Speaker A: My God.
• 45:28
  Speaker B: According to a local newspaper report published after Lena's execution, Knight kept her there as his, quote, slave woman. He was physically abusive to Lena, and he would force relations on her.
• 45:45
  Speaker A: Let that sink in. Oh, God. Poor Lena.
• 45:49
  Speaker B: It's beyond. This is beyond a hellish situation for Lena. So here's the incident. Here's the incident.
• 45:56
  Speaker A: There's more of an incident.
• 45:57
  Speaker B: Well, here. Here's what happened on Saturday, in the evening, April 29, 1944, Lena's at home, and Ernest Knight arrives at her home, forcing her to come with him. Now, remember, Lena doesn't want anything to do with night.
• 46:18
  Speaker A: She's.
• 46:19
  Speaker B: She's got the whole community and law enforcement and his own sons beating up on her to stay away from man. And yet he shows up at her house, forcing her to come with him. And he's. He's probably drunk, and he has. He has A gun.
• 46:34
  Speaker A: Oh, God.
• 46:35
  Speaker B: She unwillingly leaves with him because really, does she have a choice?
• 46:41
  Speaker A: I mean, no.
• 46:43
  Speaker B: But along the way, she's able to give him the slip because he has a broken leg after all. Right. And he's an older man and he's probably drunk. So she runs away, but she runs into the woods. And she ends up sleeping in the woods near a camp of, like, convicts. A convict camp in the woods.
• 47:02
  Speaker A: Which is probably safer.
• 47:04
  Speaker B: Which is probably safer. Yeah. Than being around this. Yeah. This nasty white man. So she sleeps in the woods, but the next morning when she creeps out of the woods and heads back into town, there's Night ready to snatch her. And he apprehends her and he takes her to his mill house and he locks her in. And then he goes to a religious celebration with his son.
• 47:29
  Speaker A: This man's one sick fuck.
• 47:31
  Speaker B: And he spends the day at this religious event with his family. And Lena is locked up in a sweltering hot mill house with nothing but, like, a dirty mattress on the floor.
• 47:44
  Speaker A: Gross.
• 47:47
  Speaker B: When night finally returns, Lena has had it. And she tells him under no uncertain terms that she is leaving. And there is an argument and she tries to escape, But Night is holding the iron bar in his hand, the iron bar that is used to bar the door closed and lock her in. So he's holding this iron bar. There is an argument. She's trying to escape and get past him. They. She struggles for the gun. So they struggle. They're tussling for the gun that he's wearing. She grabs it and shoots Knight.
• 48:24
  Speaker A: Oh, my God.
• 48:26
  Speaker B: Then what does Lena do? Lena immediately goes to the authorities and reports the incident and says, this is what happened, that it was going to be my life or his, and I took that gun and I shot him. Otherwise I would have been lying dead on that floor.
• 48:44
  Speaker A: Right.
• 48:46
  Speaker B: And it explains that this is what I did, and I did it in self defense. Lena is charged with murder. She's charged with murder and she stands trial on August 14, 1944, with a.
• 49:01
  Speaker A: Jury of her peers, with a jury.
• 49:03
  Speaker B: Of all white, all men. They rejected Lena's plea of self defense and they convicted her of capital murder at the end of the first day of the trial. One day, it was a death sentence. Lena Baker was promptly executed on March 5, 1945, and buried in an unmarked grave behind Mount Vernon Baptist Church, where she used to sing in the choir.
• 49:34
  Speaker A: That nothing is more horrific than Lena's life story. That's just unbelievable.
• 49:44
  Speaker B: Yeah, but that wasn't the end of Lena's story. In 1998, certain church members took notice of Lena and the fact that she was still lying in an unmarked grave. And they raised the community, raised $250 for a simple headstone for her grave. And that sparked. Yeah, that sparked some local interest. And so some local articles were written about her life. And a few years later, her descendants asked for an official pardon from the state of Georgia. And even though. Even though the response was we don't do that sort of thing, we generally don't give that. Those sort of pardons. Even though that was the initial response, there was a win, because in 2005, Lena Baker was granted a full and unconditional pardon by the state of Georgia.
• 50:44
  Speaker A: You know, that should make me happy, but I'm so angry with. With the situation of her life. Yeah. Like, the whole thing, it's too little.
• 50:54
  Speaker B: Too late, certainly, but it's something.
• 50:57
  Speaker A: It is something.
• 50:58
  Speaker B: It's something.
• 51:01
  Speaker A: So. So we have two very different women.
• 51:04
  Speaker B: We do. Coming through psychically. Yep.
• 51:08
  Speaker A: We have Eula, who was sentenced to die, but was pardoned before her execution.
• 51:14
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 51:15
  Speaker A: And. And then Lena Baker, who is executed and pardoned 60 years after her death.
• 51:21
  Speaker B: Yes.
• 51:25
  Speaker A: So who was the spirit coming through at the right hotel?
• 51:27
  Speaker B: Okay, here's what I think, Jill, and feel free to tell me your thoughts.
• 51:31
  Speaker A: Okay.
• 51:32
  Speaker B: But I still believe that the woman's ghost who reached out to us at the Wright Hotel was Eula Thompson. She. Because the feeling that was coming to me then was kind of a trampy, bad girl vibe, and I don't get a trampy, bad girl vibe from Lena at all. That had to have been Eula spirit. And it checks out if you look into Eula's life. In the atlantic Constitution, published August 17, 1941, Eula Thompson tells the story of her life. And she calls herself a, quote, bad woman. And she describes running away from home at the age of 15 to escape poverty. And she describes being married multiple times. She. She describes having. Having carnal relations with multiple men, sometimes at the same time. Sometimes they were married. You know what I mean? And by the way, she was married multiple times, but never divorced once. So, I mean, this woman. In fact, in the 1941 article, that article was written when Eula was in prison again. Again, she was in Prison in 1941, this time for an accessory to the murder of her own brother, Walker Elrod, by her fourth husband. She was a bad girl all her life. Now, Eula was again, again convicted and sentenced to life.
• 52:59
  Speaker A: So she died in prison, actually, Jill.
• 53:04
  Speaker B: No. By 1950, Eula was free again, and she was living on a poultry farm with another husband. And according to the records we could find, she died in 1980 at the age of 76.
• 53:17
  Speaker A: Okay, but this is my thing. The only reason why we got to Lena Baker from Eula Thompson is because I misunderstood what the historian was telling me on the phone, and I go ahead and I looked up the first woman executed in Georgia as opposed to the first woman being sentenced to execution in Georgia.
• 53:40
  Speaker B: Okay. So that. I think you have a point there. That is an important link. But the two are. They have some similarities because they're both significant firsts in Georgia legal history. They were both sentenced to death. There are important differences. Eula was bad, and she knew it. She's quoted in the paper saying she knows she's bad. Everybody who knew her knew she was bad, and she deserved the electric chair, but she was freed instead because of ridiculous reasons. And Lena. Lena Baker, a big difference is she deserved to be free, but she was the one who was executed. I actually think. And here's what I think. Eula, I think, brought forth Lena as a spirit who deserves a voice, because we never would have gotten to Lena if Eula hadn't come to us when we were at the right hotel. You ultimately, Eula led us to Lena Baker. Do you see what I'm saying? Yes, because the spirit at the hotel was the one who was reaching out. Maybe she gets some sort of atonement, you know, in the afterlife, bringing forward Lena. That's what I would like to think.
• 54:56
  Speaker A: Agree to disagree, because we are going to have this conversation in a more fuller format with the author of the book, Eula, who actually wrote a book about Eula Thompson, and she can give us more insight into if she thinks Eula was coming back from the grave to give some kind of atonement because she was a bad hussy.
• 55:16
  Speaker B: Well, what do you think then? You think we. We came about Lena Baker and Lena deserves the voice and has nothing to do with Eula. Then why did Eula come out to us?
• 55:24
  Speaker A: Eula is just an attention whore. Eula? Yes. That's all she wants. She was. She wanted to be back inside the headlines because she was a big deal in 1928 when they were sequestered in the hotel deciding her fate. That's why she's there.
• 55:42
  Speaker B: So she just wanted our attention?
• 55:44
  Speaker A: Yeah, because she. That's what she is. She wants attention. And she was taking advantage of the Mabel Klein myth to manifest at the right hotel.
• 55:53
  Speaker B: Okay. And so we got to Lena Baker and your thoughts on Lena are. She deserves the voice here.
• 56:00
  Speaker A: Absolutely.
• 56:02
  Speaker B: Now, I agree with you there. Thinking about Lena's situation just literally chokes me up and brings me to tears. There was. There was nothing. She. I cannot believe that she grew up. Everything was against her society, her community. Like, what would you have done? Like, she was literally trapped in every turn.
• 56:26
  Speaker A: There's absolutely nothing she could do. What a poor, poor soul. I would love to. I know she had kids, her descendants.
• 56:36
  Speaker B: Yeah, I thought about that too. Reaching out to her descendants. But what do you say?
• 56:41
  Speaker A: There's.
• 56:42
  Speaker B: There.
• 56:43
  Speaker A: I'm so sorry.
• 56:44
  Speaker B: Nothing to say except.
• 56:46
  Speaker A: Such a tragedy. It's like the tragedy is so multifaceted on, like, society issues. On, like. Like, oh, my God.
• 56:55
  Speaker B: And how many Lena Bakers are out there that we don't even know about? Do you know what I mean?
• 57:00
  Speaker A: The same saddest thought ever. Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. So.
• 57:05
  Speaker B: Oh, my goodness. Prayers for Lena Baker and all the.
• 57:10
  Speaker A: Unknown Lena Bakers out there.
• 57:14
  Speaker B: Let's go through our hits really fast. I do think that I was picking up on deaths of multiple women, which led us. Which corroborate this story. I think when we were in the car.
• 57:24
  Speaker A: I totally agree with you.
• 57:27
  Speaker B: And when we were at the Wright Hotel, I think we were drawn there because of the energy of the Wright Hotel. Even if there was no Eula Thompson, there is so much energy in that place.
• 57:39
  Speaker A: There's a lot of love and respect for that building.
• 57:42
  Speaker B: There is. And the myth of Mabel Klein, the fictitious person who never existed. And that whole myth, though, that lends a lot of energy as well. Just the myth. Just the myth of people giving that myth energy and keeping it alive, that adds another layer.
• 58:05
  Speaker A: And according to the historian showing up at the hotel to get some kind of experience from this fictitious murdered woman.
• 58:13
  Speaker B: I'm sorry, we did not know it was the energy of the hotel call to us.
• 58:18
  Speaker A: The funny part about it is that in the notes that day, I told you that I felt like that we were gonna get like. Like in trouble for trespassing. And if we. If someone was at that building and we. And we were able to walk in and we explained to what. What we were doing, we would have got told off and told to leave.
• 58:35
  Speaker B: Yep.
• 58:37
  Speaker A: In, like, a real way. Like, they are hostile. Hostile to psychics from.
• 58:42
  Speaker B: In that place 100%. Also, you know, Eula's jury was sequestered at the right hotel. But also, in addition to that, there were people associated with the trial who stayed at that hotel, including the state solicitor General. And at least one of the witnesses. So it wasn't just the jury. Like, there were multiple people involved in her case that stayed there.
• 59:05
  Speaker A: What about us being pulled to the courthouse?
• 59:07
  Speaker B: I mean, I think that. I think that that's significant, especially because both women were involved in major court cases. So, yeah, all in all, I think this was a good story. What do you think? What are your closing thoughts?
• 59:21
  Speaker A: The whole way we found Lena was through a series of events that is just. If it didn't unravel this way, we would have never found Lena. And Eula is a part of that. But I don't think.
• 59:36
  Speaker B: I don't think you don't want to give her any credit for bringing Lena through.
• 59:40
  Speaker A: I don't, but we'll see what the author of Lula says.
• 59:45
  Speaker B: Okay. Eula. Yeah. Hopefully she can give us some insight on the person, like her personality and what she was like, because I would like to think. I would like to think that she brought Lena through, but let's see what she says. And yeah, I think we might put that on Patreon. Is that right, Jill?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker A: That's right. And detours Patreon.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker B: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker A: I will say this. From the newspaper accounts, she was quite like the trashy celebrity of her day. You know what I mean?
• 1:00:14
  Speaker B: She did like attention. You're not wrong about that. Yep.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker A: Well, I enjoyed this conversation.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker B: Did you? Did you?
• 1:00:23
  Speaker A: Yes, I just said I did. Yes. Jennifer, I really liked it. Thank you for doing the outline.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker B: Oh, you're welcome. You're welcome. Can I just say that we asked people to give us more reviews on Apple and they delivered. We have broken 200. We're actually at 205 now. Thank you, you guys. This is really it. This is what keeps us moving forward. And we have another written review from Nimrod, my cat, who says, love you guys. I love the history and perspective that you two share, especially when you disagree. It shows the complexity of many of these situations. Besides, you make me laugh. That is very important. And thank you, Nimrod, my cat. Thank you.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker A: Thank you, Nimrod. Can I just call you Nimrod?
• 1:01:10
  Speaker B: Please? Please reach out to us. We love to hear from you. You keep us going with everything crazy going on in the world. Everything crazy going on in our lives. We really look to you, we look to your emails and love interacting with you. So thank you for that. Anything else?
• 1:01:28
  Speaker A: Wonderful. Yes. I have so much to say. Thank you for giving me the mic back. Well, so, Jennifer, my dear sister who is a multiple master's degree holder.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker B: Shut up.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker A: Who specializes, excuse me, who specializes in identifying how a person learns is crafting a class, a very class, based on your needs, your needs to learn your psychic abilities and how to harness that power. That is my sister. That is her passion. That is what she does, and she wants to do it for you. So please reach out to us@commonmysticsmail.com and say, hey, Jen, I want to be a part of that class. I want to take your assessments. I want you to tell me how to harness my psychic abilities. Also, one more ask. You guys are the reason why we are on the air. Honestly, your reviews, dude, it brings us life. So please, please leave us a positive review. I don't know why, but Apple seems to be the ones that come to us most readily.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker B: You know, Jill, if you look at our data, most of our listeners are listening on Apple, so that's why. Yeah.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker A: So please leave us a positive Apple review so we can read it on air and give you a shout out. Lastly, we are poor. We. We produce this podcast with our own money. And I know things are tight and things are getting tighter for us. So only you guys can let this podcast survive.
• 1:03:03
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• 1:03:03
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• 1:03:26
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• 1:03:45
  Speaker A: We do have a really good set of people listening. So we wanna thank you for that.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker B: Yeah, thank you.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker A: Thank you for tuning in.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker B: All right.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker A: Oh, righty. Thank you so much. Love you. Love you, listeners.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker B: Bye Bye.
• 1:04:00
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