Latest / I Am All In with Scott Patterson / Gilmore Girls Gazette: Parenthood Let’s Not Do A Love Triangle Anymore (Season 4 E13 & E14)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: I Am all in again Gilmore Girls Gazette with Amy
- 0:19Speaker 1: Sugarman and Danielle Romo, an iHeart Radio podcast.
- 0:24Speaker 2: Welcome to an episode of Parenthood recap.
- 0:28Speaker 3: Just date chocolate.
- 0:30Speaker 2: Oh my god, but you didn't once. I did it once,
- 0:33Speaker 2: But I I it wasn't a chewy thing. It was
- 0:36Speaker 2: a mouse in your mouth.
- 0:37Speaker 3: Just mine was a chewy thing.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Yours is chewy.
- 0:40Speaker 3: Mine was perrerero roath share delicious.
- 0:47Speaker 2: A little surprise in the middle.
- 0:49Speaker 3: Well, do you see what I'm talking about these episodes?
- 0:53Speaker 2: Oh brutal?
- 0:55Speaker 3: Just know they went a little too much of it,
- 0:59Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, give me one heavy
- 1:03Speaker 3: storyline and the rest sort of not as much.
- 1:07Speaker 2: Which one would you like to start with? Because I
- 1:10Speaker 2: got thoughts on all Let's start with Drew and I
- 1:16Speaker 2: knew knew you were going to start on that one.
- 1:19Speaker 2: Amy is pregnant.
- 1:22Speaker 3: Was it all done in the one because we're watching
- 1:23Speaker 3: two at a time now, was it all the storyline
- 1:26Speaker 3: in one episode or did it go over both?
- 1:29Speaker 2: Oh?
- 1:30Speaker 3: One? Because when you watch it like two back to back,
- 1:33Speaker 3: you can't differentiate.
- 1:35Speaker 2: It was just an episode thirteen, Yeah, one episode. It
- 1:38Speaker 2: was just an episode thirteen and That's how we.
- 1:40Speaker 3: Ended right with him crying, like literally falling.
- 1:43Speaker 2: He wants to have a baby and she wants she
- 1:46Speaker 2: had an abortion.
- 1:47Speaker 3: Right, and then he goes to I almost said LAURALI
- 1:50Speaker 3: goes to his mom, Sarah.
- 1:52Speaker 1: Oh.
- 1:52Speaker 2: I loved that though.
- 1:53Speaker 3: That was amazing. We've seen that with Lauren Graham before,
- 1:59Speaker 3: that sort of like what's happening, what's happening, what's going on?
- 2:03Speaker 1: Thing?
- 2:04Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was that had me.
- 2:08Speaker 2: We need to talk about how she had no idea though,
- 2:10Speaker 2: and the only reason why she tried sniffing it out
- 2:14Speaker 2: was because.
- 2:14Speaker 3: Of Mark correct Mark, and she got it wrong. Do
- 2:17Speaker 3: you think she still doesn't know? She doesn't know now right?
- 2:21Speaker 2: Do you think Mark knew Marks?
- 2:25Speaker 3: No? But I think Mark knew and knows it's not
- 2:29Speaker 3: senior college stuff. He knows something is actually really wrong wrong.
- 2:36Speaker 3: And even when she sort of said it's college stuff,
- 2:41Speaker 3: I think he was like, Okay, but no, it's not.
- 2:44Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think it took a lot of balls. Balls.
- 2:50Speaker 2: I was trying to find a different word because I
- 2:51Speaker 2: know you don't like that word.
- 2:53Speaker 3: I like the word, I just don't say the word.
- 2:55Speaker 2: A lot of courage, immaturity for him to having the
- 3:01Speaker 2: history that him and Sarah recently had and events.
- 3:04Speaker 3: A segue to him going waiting for it first of all,
- 3:09Speaker 3: a little weird waiting outside the photo studio, sure, and
- 3:14Speaker 3: that he's like I'm gonna get her back, blah blah blah.
- 3:18Speaker 3: The part that I liked was when he said to her,
- 3:22Speaker 3: to Sarah, I didn't fight for you enough. I let
- 3:25Speaker 3: you go too easy. Because he's right. That hurts, right,
- 3:28Speaker 3: this is really bailed.
- 3:30Speaker 2: This is my one thing that like makes me just
- 3:34Speaker 2: die and cringe is he walks in. She's at the
- 3:39Speaker 2: computer with Hank. They're clearly flirty, flirty now you know there's.
- 3:43Speaker 3: Some there like together.
- 3:45Speaker 2: Almost right, And for him to just walk in break
- 3:50Speaker 2: that up, and for ilmost said Laura.
- 3:53Speaker 3: And he's your kid.
- 3:54Speaker 2: It's just like what for Sarah to be like like
- 3:59Speaker 2: kind of flirt you with Mark? I'm like, what if it's.
- 4:03Speaker 3: Very trianglely right, It's like they're sort of not a triangle.
- 4:08Speaker 2: I want I want there to be separate lanes right now.
- 4:11Speaker 3: It's funny you say that because Sarah and Hank and
- 4:14Speaker 3: Mark are not triangle people right right, They're like they're
- 4:18Speaker 3: not going to be trianglely and so in the fact
- 4:22Speaker 3: that they've got this triangle going.
- 4:24Speaker 2: This is a hot take for me, But can we
- 4:27Speaker 2: not be in a triangle with Sarah anymore? Like we
- 4:29Speaker 2: already did this.
- 4:31Speaker 3: Right, I'm surprised they brought it back up again. I
- 4:35Speaker 3: think it plays out one more episode until the end
- 4:38Speaker 3: of this season, okay, and then it kind of goes away.
- 4:41Speaker 3: I don't think Mark seer. He shows up again one
- 4:45Speaker 3: one or two more times in the series, but we
- 4:49Speaker 3: don't have this triangle situation for long. I don't think.
- 4:52Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, my memory was actually because.
- 4:55Speaker 3: I actually thought Drew went to Hank about the pregnancy,
- 4:59Speaker 3: but I was.
- 5:00Speaker 2: I want Sarah to be with Hank. I want them
- 5:02Speaker 2: to be awkward and lovely and run their photo studio together.
- 5:06Speaker 2: And I want Hank to be the principal one day,
- 5:08Speaker 2: Like I just I want to be principal. Sorry, yes,
- 5:12Speaker 2: I want Mark to be the principal one day. I
- 5:14Speaker 2: just I'm over the triangle. Let's let's move on fair.
- 5:17Speaker 2: It's fair, fair fair Drew. Oh yeah, Drew, for sure,
- 5:23Speaker 2: Poor Drew, Poor Bru, poor Amy, poor Amy. I mean,
- 5:28Speaker 2: she is in a.
- 5:30Speaker 3: Very correct and it's going to like break them up right,
- 5:34Speaker 3: I think this might be the end of Amy, right,
- 5:36Speaker 3: I think so really, but you know what I mean
- 5:38Speaker 3: on the show, I mean that is five six or whatever.
- 5:42Speaker 2: That whole scenario is life changing. It is crazy. I
- 5:45Speaker 2: mean the.
- 5:46Speaker 3: Portrayal is accurate, right, Like they're all doing what It's
- 5:50Speaker 3: very realistic, is what I would say. It's just brutal.
- 5:54Speaker 3: I'm not sure we needed more heaviness with Drew. I'm
- 5:58Speaker 3: just not sure we need it that right.
- 6:00Speaker 2: I want you to be happy. I want him to
- 6:02Speaker 2: be thriving, and he has never thrived at all.
- 6:05Speaker 3: Well, I mean we haven't that sort of dark stuff
- 6:08Speaker 3: with Amber and.
- 6:10Speaker 2: That whole situation and Joel and Victor.
- 6:12Speaker 3: Well, first of all, we're gonna get to that. You're
- 6:14Speaker 3: not gonna like what's coming.
- 6:15Speaker 2: Let me tell you you're not. Oh I can already see it.
- 6:18Speaker 2: I already see it, can I guess? Yeah, Joel's going
- 6:22Speaker 2: to go off with Victor and Julia is gonna be
- 6:26Speaker 2: well no, because oh no, it's not.
- 6:30Speaker 3: You're not right. But like there's definitely trouble in Paradise
- 6:34Speaker 3: with our favorite couple.
- 6:35Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I can see that because they are handling
- 6:38Speaker 2: this so differently, which also Okay.
- 6:41Speaker 3: Joel is right and Julia is wrong even though she's struggling.
- 6:45Speaker 3: When you make that decision to adopt.
- 6:47Speaker 2: A child, you have you you adopt the child.
- 6:50Speaker 3: There's no turning back, even if the child is struggling,
- 6:54Speaker 3: because guess what a child you birth can be struggling
- 6:57Speaker 3: also a right, there's also then they're also like being
- 7:03Speaker 3: so unfair to Sydney, like still these kids the same
- 7:07Speaker 3: because and also first of all, the biggest fail was
- 7:12Speaker 3: like this child who has a mom who's like there
- 7:17Speaker 3: was drugs and prison. If I remember, first of all,
- 7:20Speaker 3: the whole thing is very far fetched because they would
- 7:22Speaker 3: never it would never. They would the goal would always
- 7:24Speaker 3: be to return the child to the birth mother, even
- 7:27Speaker 3: if the child, even if the mother is in prison.
- 7:30Speaker 3: I just don't think that it wouldn't go this way.
- 7:33Speaker 3: So that part's weird to me. But Julia, like what this.
- 7:40Speaker 2: I think in Julia's head, she was going to adopt
- 7:43Speaker 2: a child and it was going to be perfect, and
- 7:45Speaker 2: that child was going to fit in perfectly, and it
- 7:48Speaker 2: was going to be her missing piece and all the in,
- 7:50Speaker 2: all the things right, she she had rose colored glasses on.
- 7:54Speaker 2: And I feel like now that she's faithd with adversity here,
- 7:57Speaker 2: like literally challenge on challenge on challenge. I'm not denying
- 8:01Speaker 2: what she's going through is hard. But Joel is like, dude,
- 8:07Speaker 2: this is the commitment we made. You're you're giving up
- 8:11Speaker 2: like this, you know, like this is this is an
- 8:13Speaker 2: older child who has it's you know it.
- 8:16Speaker 3: Joel is a real winner. He's a real winner. He
- 8:19Speaker 3: is right. I don't really have anything to blame for him.
- 8:22Speaker 3: I thought the way he handled the situation with is
- 8:24Speaker 3: his name Ryan Ambers, like.
- 8:26Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, Ryan was also good?
- 8:28Speaker 3: Yeah, great, that was great. Okay, question for you. I
- 8:34Speaker 3: loved the scene with Crosby talking to Julia when she's
- 8:37Speaker 3: breaking down. Although acting like brother and sister is really
- 8:46Speaker 3: hard because brothers and sisters.
- 8:48Speaker 2: Like Peter Cross them, Lauren Greight, they're just not.
- 8:51Speaker 3: I don't want to make all these people right, they're
- 8:54Speaker 3: just not. Like have you ever seen a TikTok It's
- 8:56Speaker 3: like a TikTok trend where the sister tries to hug
- 8:59Speaker 3: the brother and the brother literally punches the sister basically
- 9:04Speaker 3: like the brothers like you are gross too, and like punches.
- 9:09Speaker 3: I wouldn't even do that, Like sometimes my baby brother
- 9:14Speaker 3: I might like, but like they their portrayals of siblings
- 9:18Speaker 3: is way too affectionate. Now, I will say my nieces
- 9:22Speaker 3: are like my little nieces are. They always put their
- 9:25Speaker 3: arms around each other and they're like best friends type
- 9:27Speaker 3: of vibe. But like, I don't know any brother sister.
- 9:33Speaker 3: Just mark at my brother and I'm like, please stop
- 9:35Speaker 3: talking to me, look in my direction. Uh So that
- 9:41Speaker 3: was a beautiful scene except that.
- 9:44Speaker 2: It didn't play. It didn't play.
- 9:47Speaker 3: I mean, they could be nice to each other, but
- 9:49Speaker 3: it's just two. There's almost like sometimes they touch each
- 9:52Speaker 3: other's faces or they they act act using quotes like
- 9:58Speaker 3: coworkers that really like each other, right right, because like
- 10:02Speaker 3: a coworker I might hug and be like, oh you're amazing,
- 10:05Speaker 3: or like a best friend, but like not a sibling.
- 10:17Speaker 2: What are your thoughts when now speaking in Crosby of
- 10:20Speaker 2: Crosby Jasmine, Jasmine's mom and all the things. I don't
- 10:24Speaker 2: think he was wrong and being like Renee at all,
- 10:30Speaker 2: you got a job, you gotta take it like we're here,
- 10:34Speaker 2: we're here to support you when you don't have a job,
- 10:36Speaker 2: but you have the opportunities.
- 10:37Speaker 3: He's wrong about like, don't tell me like, well, first
- 10:42Speaker 3: of all, the whole breakfast eating thing was kind of
- 10:45Speaker 3: nuts because Crosby made the nice breakfast kid didn't want
- 10:49Speaker 3: to eat it, so they give him a bar and
- 10:51Speaker 3: then Crosby's like all mad, and I'm just like wait,
- 10:55Speaker 3: but she's overstepping. And also when you're like staying with
- 10:58Speaker 3: somebody and they're like putting all your bills.
- 11:03Speaker 2: Side, like I'm not you want, but I get it.
- 11:08Speaker 2: I think if my mom lived with us, like she'd
- 11:11Speaker 2: be like that. She'd be like, let me make you food.
- 11:13Speaker 3: Would surely be like that. She would be also redecorating.
- 11:17Speaker 3: She'd be like I mustn't go here, which also my
- 11:21Speaker 3: background makes it seem like I need her to come
- 11:23Speaker 3: over because it's real messy right now in my background.
- 11:26Speaker 3: But that's fine. I just stand strong on and I'm
- 11:31Speaker 3: glad they gave us a little more backstory of like
- 11:33Speaker 3: she had this job, there was budget cuts, she had
- 11:36Speaker 3: this job she loved. Just that woman had savings. She's
- 11:40Speaker 3: not losing.
- 11:42Speaker 2: She has a four to one car and you know,
- 11:48Speaker 2: like she's good.
- 11:49Speaker 3: One could retire. She's got that much savings. Like that's
- 11:51Speaker 3: what I'm saying. She just would never be in a
- 11:53Speaker 3: predicament like this where she has to go crash at.
- 11:55Speaker 2: Her daughter's just agree with you.
- 11:58Speaker 3: Also, Crosby, it was rich of him to make fun
- 12:00Speaker 3: of the laundry when it's like, bro, you didn't do
- 12:02Speaker 3: your own laundry.
- 12:03Speaker 2: Either, right, that was a good call out from Jasmine
- 12:06Speaker 2: being like and he's like, oh, but look, because I
- 12:08Speaker 2: lived on a boat. We don't annoying.
- 12:12Speaker 3: Rosbie's being annoying, Jasmin's being annoying, the mother in law's
- 12:14Speaker 3: being annoying, the the brother in law's being annoying, meaning
- 12:18Speaker 3: Jasmine's brother. And I don't care, Like that's my problem
- 12:21Speaker 3: with this storyline. I just don't care other than like
- 12:23Speaker 3: Jabbar being adorable and I do want to watch him.
- 12:26Speaker 3: The rest, I'm like, I don't care.
- 12:28Speaker 2: Fair Well, you were talking about Ryan earlier in this episode,
- 12:33Speaker 2: and he gets his job back and.
- 12:35Speaker 3: He are strong in this.
- 12:37Speaker 2: He came back strong. He still scares me in the
- 12:41Speaker 2: sense of I just I'm scared for Amber and it's
- 12:45Speaker 2: just not like.
- 12:48Speaker 3: Recovered.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Right, He's got a lot of he's got a lot
- 12:53Speaker 2: of work to do.
- 12:54Speaker 3: I don't fault it, but he needs more work to do,
- 12:59Speaker 3: just because it's so traumatizing what is probably the way
- 13:03Speaker 3: I would say it.
- 13:03Speaker 2: I do find it interesting that he like calls Zeke
- 13:07Speaker 2: in the middle of the night and has that relationship
- 13:10Speaker 2: with him, and of course, of course Zeke answers his call.
- 13:14Speaker 2: Like I, I love the relationship the two of them
- 13:17Speaker 2: have together because no one understands and more than Zeke does,
- 13:21Speaker 2: and so I love that. I love that they have
- 13:24Speaker 2: that understanding of each other, and and they don't have
- 13:28Speaker 2: to hide they are to each other, you know, like
- 13:30Speaker 2: they get it. They get each other, which I love
- 13:33Speaker 2: that he has that in the Braverman family because that
- 13:36Speaker 2: could be hard to enter a family that doesn't know that,
- 13:39Speaker 2: that doesn't understand you.
- 13:43Speaker 3: It's very complicated, right, the whole thing. And I would
- 13:50Speaker 3: call this a storyline that I am liking more because
- 13:56Speaker 3: it doesn't feel tropy. It does feel it does doesn't
- 14:00Speaker 3: feel too dark yet, but it also feels dramatic and
- 14:04Speaker 3: real and heavy with light moments too. Do you know
- 14:09Speaker 3: totally this is how I feel? Okay? First of all,
- 14:12Speaker 3: First of all, my favorite storyline by far by far
- 14:17Speaker 3: is everything with Max.
- 14:20Speaker 2: I know by the body odor.
- 14:24Speaker 3: Laughing, laughing out loud when Zeke and Camille come over
- 14:31Speaker 3: and they're talking about all the like sex stuff with puberty.
- 14:35Speaker 2: I was, oh, I said the word.
- 14:43Speaker 3: I was laughing so hard because Camille and Zeke were
- 14:48Speaker 3: exactly what you would expect them to be because they're
- 14:50Speaker 3: kind of hippies Berkeley. They're not going to be jarred
- 14:53Speaker 3: by this. They totally know how to like like be
- 14:57Speaker 3: grandparents to Max. They don't treat him different, do you
- 15:00Speaker 3: know what I'm saying?
- 15:01Speaker 2: Right, So they're just like, yeah.
- 15:03Speaker 3: It's great, of course.
- 15:04Speaker 1: I do.
- 15:05Speaker 2: Like they're awesome grandparents. They are so great cool.
- 15:10Speaker 3: And Christina was so like frigid and like stressing and
- 15:13Speaker 3: she should have just left the room and let them
- 15:15Speaker 3: handle it.
- 15:16Speaker 2: I agree. I did find it very sweet when he
- 15:21Speaker 2: when that's this episode, right he was talking to Adam
- 15:24Speaker 2: about about sex and and and Max. I'm I'm not
- 15:30Speaker 2: ready for this, and Adam was like okay.
- 15:33Speaker 3: And Adam was like whatever bothered or nervous about that?
- 15:38Speaker 3: When I was like, okay, this this kid. I thought
- 15:41Speaker 3: it was great that he listened to what he needed
- 15:45Speaker 3: to listen to. And then he was like, yeah, I'm
- 15:47Speaker 3: gonna tap out on the rest because I'm not ready
- 15:49Speaker 3: for that right now.
- 15:50Speaker 2: I love that I thought. I thought that was so
- 15:52Speaker 2: well played, and I love that Adam didn't push it.
- 15:55Speaker 3: Actor is so brilliant that plays Max. I know it's
- 15:58Speaker 3: now in Ted.
- 15:59Speaker 2: He's he's so good. He is so isn't his say
- 16:03Speaker 2: Max too?
- 16:04Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's so good in this show. It's crazy.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's so good. But I feel like Adam's
- 16:11Speaker 2: character would be one to like keep pushing and be
- 16:13Speaker 2: like no, no, no, you need to listen to this, you
- 16:15Speaker 2: need to hear this stuff, you need to learn about this.
- 16:18Speaker 2: And I love that Adam was just like you know what, dude, Yeah,
- 16:20Speaker 2: I'm too Yeah, yeah yeah.
- 16:22Speaker 3: And they're just so stoked that he took the shower
- 16:25Speaker 3: and it's I mean, the writing of this storyline was
- 16:30Speaker 3: so brilliant because from the Camille Zeke stuff all that,
- 16:33Speaker 3: and then he's like, I washed my my pard balls.
- 16:39Speaker 3: It's all my words. I hate every word. I hate
- 16:42Speaker 3: armpits he.
- 16:43Speaker 2: Said, it all balls but crack or whatever he said.
- 16:46Speaker 3: I'm like, oh my god, I was laughing so hard.
- 16:49Speaker 3: That was needed. Levity.
- 16:51Speaker 2: The slow motion of him walking out of the shower
- 16:53Speaker 2: just was.
- 16:55Speaker 3: Was really funny.
- 16:56Speaker 2: It was yeah, and was wearing his robe so it
- 17:01Speaker 2: was so good.
- 17:01Speaker 3: So that was very good. That was very good.
- 17:03Speaker 2: We needed it, We needed it in this episode where
- 17:06Speaker 2: everything's so heavy.
- 17:08Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm kind of bored by Crosby and Jasmine. Yeah,
- 17:13Speaker 3: for usual, they kind of got the short end of
- 17:15Speaker 3: the stick.
- 17:16Speaker 2: Always they go in and out. They have the best
- 17:19Speaker 2: is my favorite.
- 17:20Speaker 3: But it's also like.
- 17:21Speaker 2: I'm over it. I can't, I can't.
- 17:24Speaker 3: You know, I wanted to be unicorns and rainbows.
- 17:26Speaker 1: All.
- 17:26Speaker 2: No, it's not that I don't want to be unicorns
- 17:28Speaker 2: and rainbows. I just feel like it's so fundamentally not them,
- 17:31Speaker 2: and it's just not I don't know. I want them
- 17:35Speaker 2: to go through hard shit, but like worse before it
- 17:37Speaker 2: gets better. They also are the best teammates in this
- 17:40Speaker 2: entire show, so it's kind of like feels inauthentic to
- 17:46Speaker 2: who they are as a couple. That's all I can say.
- 17:49Speaker 2: It just feels very out of character.
- 17:52Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, she's just struggling, like she's got no job,
- 17:55Speaker 3: she has no identity. She really feels hurt by. I
- 18:00Speaker 3: thought Crosby said it best, like who like you're the
- 18:05Speaker 3: mother he needs. It doesn't matter if he's saying he
- 18:09Speaker 3: likes you or not. You know, I don't know. I
- 18:11Speaker 3: thought there's things about that storyline. I like, it's just
- 18:14Speaker 3: getting a little redundant. But they can't I get it.
- 18:16Speaker 3: They can't just suddenly be like no, I'm fine and
- 18:19Speaker 3: I love my family and my sister.
- 18:22Speaker 2: What no, right, oh man, Well it's it's all good.
- 18:27Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. Next week is the final.
- 18:31Speaker 3: I know this, so I was going to ask you this.
- 18:34Speaker 3: I think we watched the final and the first one
- 18:37Speaker 3: of five.
- 18:39Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. We've been doing at time.
- 18:41Speaker 2: So that episode, those I mean, those are it's the
- 18:44Speaker 2: season opener and season ender. Always it's going to be
- 18:46Speaker 2: the big two best episodes. So I'm here.
- 18:48Speaker 3: I'm still going to give these a nine point five.
- 18:50Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I actually agree with I do agree with that.
- 18:54Speaker 2: All right, Well, we'll come back for the finale.
- 18:59Speaker 3: Anti for me.
- 19:00Speaker 2: He's in four finale, Season five premiere. Yeah, all right, Well,
- 19:04Speaker 2: Braverman's out. Everybody, don't forget.
- 19:35Speaker 1: Follow us on Instagram at I Am All In podcast
- 19:39Speaker 1: and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
- 20:00Speaker 3: Okay,