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Reaction to Alex Golesh hired at Auburn | Terry Bowden Show · The Auburn Undercover Podcast

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  Welcome in again everybody to the Terry
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  Bowen Show on the Auburn Undercover
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  podcast. I'm your co-host, Ronnie
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  Sanders, and today we are joined by a
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  special guest, former Arkansas coach and
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  Old Miss coach, Houston Nut. So, we've
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  got new coach at Old Miss. We got a new
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  coach at Arkansas. We have a new coach
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  at Auburn. A lot to talk about today.
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  >> Houston, good to see you, Houston, and a
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  new coach at Oklahoma State because I
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  know coach has some ties to Oklahoma
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  State as well. Uh, but I guess it it's
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  it's funny because it should be about
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  football playing with the with the
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  conference championships coming up and
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  the postseason right after that, but all
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  the talk is of uh coaching changes and
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  who's going where? I mean, and you and I
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  are about the same age and and coached
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  much of the same time in our lives.
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  >> Uh, but does it seem different now? Is
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  it is it more uh uh are they firing more
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  coaches or is it just that we are so
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  much more aware of it and talking about
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  it?
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  >> I think they're firing a little bit more
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  coaches right now and it seems like a
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  lot quicker too, guys. Uh you know, when
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  you look around
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  uh there's there's firings in September,
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  there's firings in October. And uh I've
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  had a lot of people ask me the last few
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  weeks, coach, what is the advantage of
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  firing a coach in September? And I said,
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  that's a real good question. I don't
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  know if there's really a good advantage
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  or not, but it's telling one or two
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  things. One, you know, it's it's telling
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  your fans I guess the AD's getting so
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  much pressure, Terry, as you know, and
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  honey, you know, they get so much
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  pressure, they feel like we got to give
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  our fans hope. So they feel like they
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  can give them hope by firing the guy. So
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  you fire the coach and then just like
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  you when you look at um you look at
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  Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, miss, you look at
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  all the the landscape of this thing.
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  It's all we talked about for a whole
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  week, guys, was Lane Kein.
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  >> Mhm.
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  >> Lane Kein, you know, he had the world he
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  had the world on hold. Where is Lane
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  going? And you know, as soon as he said,
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  "Well, you know, we got to wait till
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  after the Eggbo. We're gonna wait after
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  the Eggbo." You know, it kind of gave
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  you a well, you're probably not going to
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  be at Old Miss if you're wait.
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  Yeah.
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  >> But uh boy, I tell you what I tell you
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  what I hate though. And I you know I had
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  I had so much respect for your father.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And uh he was always I got to play uh
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  some golf with him on a couple of uh
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  places a charity golf.
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  >> Yeah.
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  >> And I never will forget since we're
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  talking about firs.
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  So he I was I had the privilege of
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  riding the cart with him and he said um
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  he said, "Hey, Houston, I really love
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  watching your teams play." And man, they
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  play hard. And boy, you did a good job.
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  And I said to him, Terry, I said, "Yeah,
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  I just didn't go out the right way." He
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  stopped that cart. He stopped that cart
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  and he said, "Hey, hey, young fella, you
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  see that stadium right over there? I got
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  my name over there on that. I didn't go
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  out the right way." And I tell you what,
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  Terry, it it woke me up because, you
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  know, we don't get the dismount that we
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  want. And here I'm thinking, I'm riding
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  around with a legend with the one of the
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  best that's ever done it. And here I am
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  thinking I didn't go out the right way
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  and he put me in my place real quick.
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  >> Well, you know, it's a different world.
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  It's just a different world with the way
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  things are.
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  >> It is. And I and I think I think uh
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  firings are more immediate. I think
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  their demandings are uh for instant
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  success. I guess when you get these new
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  contracts that are so big and and
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  sometimes I have to ponder. I said,
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  "Holy cow, I was born too early." You
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  know? Uh, but it's like you can't you
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  you can't act like you you don't know
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  what's going on when you sign these
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  contracts that they're going to expect
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  you to immediately turn a program around
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  or they're going to expect to replace
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  you if you don't or you have a bad year,
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  not three or four bad years and and then
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  of course you see a couple of teams that
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  jump into the NIL and they do turn their
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  program around very quickly. So, I think
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  there is a definite sense that there's
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  an immediacy uh in what they expect. And
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  like you said, because I know you were
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  the Eddie Robinson award winner when you
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  were in the FCS and three times SEC
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  coach of the year and a uh national
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  football coach of the year in 99. I
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  don't know if you remember this, but in
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  99 you were in the Cotton Bowl against
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  Texas, I believe. And I I me and Brad
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  Sham did the broadcasting. I was in the
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  booth for the first time ever. We did
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  the They always did a radio broadcast of
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  the uh of the uh Cotton Bowl as well as
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  the uh television because I was working
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  for ABC, but I got through that game
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  after the regular season on radio with
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  Brad. But that was a game I I don't know
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  if you I'm sure you remember knocked off
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  Texas and they got minus yards rushing.
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  It was a big win for Arkansas that day.
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  >> That was a great day. Great day for us.
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  We We hadn't won a game in a a bowl game
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  in about 15 years.
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  >> Yeah. And coach, I was so nervous all
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  week. You had Daryl Roy
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  legendary captains. They're walking the
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  the hotels all week and they're on the
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  game. They're there before the uh the on
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  the coin toss and and you guys were
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  there and I think my goodness, man. I
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  think cuz I you know, we're raised up in
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  the old Southwest Conference days. That
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  Texas game was really it meant a lot to
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  me. Wasn't much sleep the night before
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  because, you know, you wanted to please
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  so bad. So, it it worked out pretty good
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  for us that day. Yeah, that was a big
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  game. It's funny. I live in Monroe,
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  Louisiana still because that's where I
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  let did my last coaching and uh my wife
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  and I live here. And shoot, there a lot
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  of our fans are all Arkansas fans. I in
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  fact, I go to Sunday school with a guy
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  named Danny Crawford. You probably don't
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  know him. He played uh defensive tackle
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  for Arkansas probably five years before
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  you got there, but a lot of Arkansas
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  Razerbacks in Northeast Louisiana uh
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  that go to school across the state line
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  up there. But uh that's a big game.
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  Texas and Arkansas is a big and te and
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  and Texas uh LSU it's just a great old
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  rivalries but especially Texas A&M and
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  Texas were the rivals of Arkansas.
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  >> No doubt about it. No doubt about it. Uh
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  you know everybody got real excited
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  about Texas and I said how come y'all
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  don't get more excited about Texas Tech
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  or TCU when we played them? But no, it
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  was Texas. You had to beat Texas. But um
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  man, uh as a freshman when I played at
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  Arkansas, I noticed Earl Campbell coming
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  down the sideline and I said, "Boy, I
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  tell you what, I'm in real football now,
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  man. I'm I'm in college football. This
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  man was running over us and what an
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  athlete." And it woke me up, you know,
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  about recruiting and, you know, all
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  these great coaches that uh patrolled
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  the sidelines. You know, I learned so
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  much from those guys. So, it was just
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  that was that was a great day,
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  >> you know. And you mentioned Frank Bur,
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  one of the great coaches, and I I've
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  always admired and loved following the
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  great coaches. We would go to those Nike
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  trips and I'd listen to Bobby Bowen and
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  and Joe Pno and the coach at BYU. What's
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  it? Why has I forgotten his name?
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  Coachell
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  >> Lavel Edwards. They were just just to
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  listen to those guys. And the sad thing
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  is, like you mentioned, I can remember
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  the day my dad called me because I had a
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  law degree and my sister Terry, they
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  just fired me. And I said, "Holy cow,
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  Dad. They can't D. They just fired me."
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  And I'm I think the reality is if you
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  coach long enough in this business,
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  you're going to get a new AD or you're
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  going to get some situation where
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  there's just going to be a change. And I
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  guess that's just something we have to
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  accept. I want to ask you Lane Kippen
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  situation. I sit there and I've watched
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  it and I always thought he'd go to
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  Florida. He always reminded me of coach
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  Burgerer. He always had some ties to
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  John Reeves and the Florida thing. I
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  said, "Boy, he's a perfect fit. that
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  cocky, confident type of cockiness that
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  he just fits in down there at Florida.
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  But could they have could he have
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  handled how would could he have handled
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  that better or Old Miss have handled
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  that better? I I I don't know that you
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  I've gotten to the point where I feel
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  like I' I can say what I want to say
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  because I've been fired and I've been
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  you know Old Miss and uh you know
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  Arkansas and Old Miss situation
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  >> Terry I do I think it could be handled
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  much better and that's where I think you
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  know somebody's got to get in a room
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  >> because I know there's some smart enough
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  people to get in a room and since we're
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  going down this road of we're basically
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  NFL it's an NFL free semi-pro league you
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  know uh when I look at the miss deal
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  Remember,
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  Miss had four starters returning. So
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  that meant Lane Keifin had some boosters
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  that went out and helped him get about
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  18 starters.
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  >> Oh yeah.
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  >> And they also helped him
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  >> get from FAU, that other Florida, a
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  little small. They helped him get from
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  Florida Atlantic back into this big
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  show, the SEC,
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  >> right?
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  >> And to think about all that week, I the
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  players and and I hear this. Here's what
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  the conversation that bothers me. Well,
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  Old Miss may may not be able to get in
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  the playoffs now because they lost their
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  coach. Now, wait a minute.
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  >> These players deserve to be in that
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  playoff. And I just think it could been
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  handled so much better. And then I I
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  kind of like what the AD uh Keith
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  Carter, I like what he did. He said,
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  "No, you you can't coach our team."
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  Although I know he wanted to coach it.
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  And it's one thing, coach. I know we
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  Hey, you want to go to LSU? I get it.
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  But my point is for seven to eight days
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  all we heard is what's going to happen.
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  When are you going to make a decision?
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  I'm going to make a decision after the
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  Egg Bowl. You know, just prolong prolong
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  prolong and some it's got to be some
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  rules to me and and it's to me let's
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  let's wait till after the season uh
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  before we can talk to coaches. But then
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  all of a sudden I know the next the next
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  thing is going to be well wait a minute
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  the portal opens this week
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  >> right?
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  >> So how are we going to do that? you
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  know, we got to have our coach. So, you
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  got all these things to me that are
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  running into each other. There's got to
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  be some guard rails and some new rules.
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  And I just think it could be handled
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  better. And and again, like I said, I'm
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  not for Hey, somebody wants to go to
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  another school. I get it. I understand
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  it. But the way it was handled and now
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  you're going to punish a team. There's a
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  the the rumor and rumor of Terry. And I
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  like to hear what y'all think, Ronnie.
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  that now the rumors miss may not get in
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  and they have maybe had the best team
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  they've ever had since 1960.
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  You know,
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  >> here here's my question. If if you're a
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  coach and you've coached your you've
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  you've been there six years and like you
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  say they pulled him out of FAU and
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  you've done a great job, but and I
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  understand he wants to take another job,
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  but how do you walk out on your team?
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  Like, right, I understand that. Yeah.
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  Okay, LSU is a better job. Great.
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  Florida's a better job. Auburn's a
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  better job. But okay, this isn't the
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  time. I mean,
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  >> but Exactly right, Ronnie. Exactly
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  right. I agree a thousand%. It's not the
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  time. And and it it's just it it's just
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  not a good look and I just I just hate
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  there's a lot of things right now that
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  I've got my popcorn and coke on the
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  sideline and I'm watching and hey, how
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  about this, Terry? Texas Tech may have
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  the best team in the country.
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  >> Absolutely.
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  >> We We're talking about Indiana. We're
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  not talking about basketball. We're
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  talking about Indiana football. And it
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  just shows you what does that mean? If
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  you got the money and the resources, you
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  got a chance to go, you get you a good
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  coach, you got you a chance to go to the
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  dance.
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  >> And so it's just a whole different world
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  right now, boy.
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  >> Right. You think of all those schools,
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  and I was talking to someone today,
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  those schools that spent millions on a
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  100,000 seat stadium or the number one
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  weight room in the country or the best
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  cafeteria, and the players don't even
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  look at it. They want to see what's
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  going in my pocket. Uh, and
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  unfortunately, the coaches are are doing
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  the same thing to a degree. And so, it's
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  a somewhere along the line there. You
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  just feel like there's got to be an
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  exit. I just don't know if there's an
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  exit strategy from the NCAA
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  uh of how high it can get. You know,
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  somewhere along the line, I just think a
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  school's got to say, you know what? Uh
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  why don't you go on? I think we'll we
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  are a great program. We've always been a
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  great program. We're going to develop
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  we're going to get a come a young
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  program from like a Murray State or
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  something or or like a Sanford where I
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  came from. And we're going we're going
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  to help that guy and he's going to help
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  us. and and I don't know somewhere along
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  the line there's there's got to be a
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  little bit of a a uh uh slowdown on some
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  point, but but I don't know where where
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  that that's going to be. Tell me about
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  the new coach of Oklahoma State. Do you
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  do you do you do you like to pick that
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  guy? Because I know you left Arkansas
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  and you end up going to Oklahoma State
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  and worked with Jimmy Jimmy Johnson
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  while he was there. One of the great
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  years Barry Sanders and M all those
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  great players.
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  >> Jimmy Johnson, Pat Jones, Dave War that
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  Tony Wise, all those guys were there.
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  uh and uh had a great run of course with
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  Hartley Dykes and Barry Sanders, Thurman
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  Thomas, all those guys, you know. Um I
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  don't I've never met Coach Morris in
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  North Texas. Just watch this team play.
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  Really like what they do. Really love
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  the the way how hard they play. And u
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  it's probably a really good pick,
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  especially, you know, Oklahoma State's
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  not big enough for them to sign 25. And
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  so they've got to have Texas and so good
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  thing about coach Morris, he's been
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  right there in that state of Texas. That
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  should help him, especially in North
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  Texas. So, North Texas, East Texas, as
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  you know, Terry, you can go turn over
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  some rocks. You know, Texas is gonna get
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  theirs, right? Stadium is going to get
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  theirs. But the good thing about the
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  state of Texas, even Arkansas, even
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  little bitty Arkansas, we could go down
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  there and get second and thirds. And
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  guess what? you do the right evaluation,
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  all of a sudden that second and third
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  star, you know, of course we didn't ever
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  worry about stars, but that second third
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  star, all of a sudden, by the time he
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  was a sophomore junior, after some
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  development, all of a sudden, woo, he's
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  a differencemaker, you know. So, uh, I
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  think that's going to be a good fit.
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  >> Yeah. How about Arkansas Silverstein? I
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  think he did a great job at Memphis. Uh,
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  looks like from a standpoint, I remember
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  I watched the game when Memphis played
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  Arkansas. Of course, that was a a nice
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  audition for that coach there, but it
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  seems to be a good song. I like the fact
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  that it seems like everybody goes after
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  the existing power four coach that's
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  already got a record, but if you do your
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  homework, there's some great coaches
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  that are on the verge, just need that
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  first opportunity at the power four
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  level that are winning big. Uh, and
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  Auburn did the same thing, going to
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  South Florida and getting their head
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  coach.
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  >> That's exactly right. uh you know, Coach
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  Silverfield, he was down 18 points
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  versus Arkansas, down 18, and just uh
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  stuck to his knit. And I tell you one,
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  one thing that was really impressive
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  when you watch Memphis's defense,
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  >> man, they fly to the ball now. I thought
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  they did a really good job of Tailon
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  Green. Ton Green, the quarterback for
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  Arkansas, is really a a dual athlete
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  that can fly
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  >> and he he can run 44. I really thought
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  they did a really good job of keeping
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  him bottled up and uh really running him
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  and making him make some difficult
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  throws. They they they turned it over
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  twice and then of course they got that
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  very crucial fumble there at the end
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  when they're just trying to run out the
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  clock and kick a field goal to win the
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  game
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  >> and boy Memphis just you got to give
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  coach Silverfield and their staff uh a
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  great deal of credit. So uh I I think he
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  I think he's a good one. you know, some
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  of the fans, you know, they're always
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  wanting the uh the next uh John Gruden
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  or the big big splash, right?
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  >> But as you said, Terry, this these guys
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  have lapsed around the track. They've
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  worked hard and they done it at a lower
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  level and they're hungry and ready to
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  go.
• 15:44
  >> Yeah, they they sure have. And and I
• 15:46
  just feel like, you know, I watched
• 15:47
  almost all the Arkansas games as part of
• 15:49
  my job in covering most of the SEC and
• 15:52
  ACC each week, but what a great offense.
• 15:55
  They just seem snake and lost some close
• 15:57
  games. I like Sam Pit, but I wish it
• 15:58
  could have worked out. Uh they came so
• 16:00
  close that every time they played, you
• 16:03
  knew they were going to put a lot of
• 16:04
  points on the board, make it close, but
• 16:05
  hopefully the new coach, they can get
• 16:07
  some deep, you know, when you start
• 16:08
  recruiting, you better understand, you
• 16:10
  better get it's like Texas Tech did.
• 16:11
  They went out and got the best defensive
• 16:12
  line in the country probably. Uh and so
• 16:15
  you got to start, I guess, when you
• 16:16
  start NIL, you better be careful not
• 16:18
  going on one side of the ball too much
• 16:20
  because it's that defense that's
• 16:21
  probably going to get you through the
• 16:22
  postseason or to the end of the season.
• 16:25
  Boy, you're so right. You're so right.
• 16:27
  You know what' be interesting, Terry, is
• 16:30
  is now I feel a little bit for these
• 16:34
  high school kids and these coaches. You
• 16:36
  talked about that window that's
• 16:37
  shortened.
• 16:38
  >> And so now it's so easy, so quick say,
• 16:41
  "Hey, let's go jump in this portal and
• 16:43
  let's get an older player, you know."
• 16:45
  And I've had a lot of high school senior
• 16:48
  dads when I I live down in Fairview next
• 16:50
  to McKenna, Texas, and they would hit me
• 16:52
  with, "Well, my son's not getting looked
• 16:53
  at. You know, he did this, he did that."
• 16:56
  And they could not I could see it the
• 16:57
  last couple of years the trend of the a
• 17:00
  lot of these teams are going to that
• 17:02
  portal to get the older players because
• 17:04
  they don't feel like they have time to
• 17:06
  develop this guy uh two years because as
• 17:09
  as you mentioned that window now, we
• 17:11
  don't get five years to see how they
• 17:12
  grow up and all that anymore. You got a
• 17:14
  win almost yesterday. There's about a
• 17:16
  two-year window in now. You better make
• 17:18
  some some things happen.
• 17:20
  >> Yeah. And I think we could have figured
• 17:21
  when I say we, I talk about us older
• 17:23
  guys that left the profession about the
• 17:25
  time that the NA in the portal came in.
• 17:28
  I think we would have figured out like
• 17:30
  we figured out so many other things over
• 17:32
  the transition of coaching. But Florida
• 17:35
  State, for example, is a is an example.
• 17:37
  And I like Mike Norett Norville. I like
• 17:39
  him. He's he seems to be a good fit. But
• 17:42
  they went all in totally for the portal.
• 17:45
  And if you have a couple of losses or
• 17:46
  your or your your season began to go
• 17:49
  south, they lack the loyalty. So I think
• 17:52
  you've I think the key will be the coach
• 17:53
  to figure out how many high school
• 17:55
  athletes can I get that love this
• 17:57
  university, that love the fight song,
• 17:59
  that love the color, that think we got
• 18:00
  the best band, that meet their wife
• 18:02
  there, that base of players, and then
• 18:05
  fill in with the portal because you go
• 18:07
  too much one way, as soon as it goes
• 18:09
  south, they all say, "I'm leaving." you
• 18:11
  know, and that's a problem that but that
• 18:13
  Mike Norll's dealt with at Florida
• 18:14
  State. He's he's got a chance to
• 18:16
  overcome it. And God bless his agent who
• 18:18
  got him a contract that saved his job,
• 18:21
  but he's got to figure that out if he
• 18:23
  has enough time now.
• 18:24
  >> Well, coach, I think you hit on
• 18:26
  something that's really important right
• 18:27
  there. That is so important to have that
• 18:30
  guy that has that blueprint, to have
• 18:33
  that mixture because you hit on
• 18:34
  something I see it all the time. I speak
• 18:36
  I still speak to teams.
• 18:38
  >> Yeah. And I could tell you when you lose
• 18:42
  early on, there's a sense of I've had a
• 18:46
  lot of conversation with coaches. Well,
• 18:47
  there's a sense of like you said that
• 18:50
  loyalty factor,
• 18:52
  >> you know, that that off season and maybe
• 18:54
  probably he probably doesn't know that
• 18:55
  fight song, you know, because the two
• 18:58
  words that they're used to is the at the
• 19:00
  end of every relationship now right now
• 19:03
  is how much
• 19:04
  >> how much how much you going to pay me.
• 19:06
  And so when you do lose, boy, you better
• 19:09
  have a group of seniors, a group of
• 19:10
  leaders in that locker room that's going
• 19:12
  to hang on and keep fighting. And so,
• 19:15
  boy, I think you're so right. Boy, that
• 19:17
  mixture, that balance of getting that
• 19:19
  proper that team in there between young,
• 19:21
  old, and a mixture of groups, especially
• 19:24
  to go all to go all out as you said and
• 19:27
  get all portals. Watch out. I tell you
• 19:31
  another thing too that and of course
• 19:33
  having and and you and I both coached at
• 19:35
  different schools where you have to
• 19:36
  learn to start again and build a program
• 19:39
  from the beginning but getting a
• 19:41
  coaching staff is not always an easy
• 19:43
  thing too because how many do you
• 19:45
  retain? How many do you bring of your
• 19:48
  own? If you come from a G5 level school
• 19:51
  do you have player then you you're hired
• 19:52
  to hire the best guys you can afford and
• 19:54
  so you got to be careful. Don't you
• 19:56
  can't bring everybody, but you got to
• 19:57
  bring the right ones. And then you got
• 19:59
  to keep some, maybe one or two to keep
• 20:01
  the continuity going. Uh, and then, as
• 20:03
  my dad always says, the most important
• 20:05
  thing on the staff is loyalty. You
• 20:07
  better get people who are loyal. You
• 20:09
  know, I always tell my coach, you can
• 20:10
  want any job in the country except one.
• 20:12
  You can't want mine. And because I said
• 20:14
  that's mine, and I don't plan on leaving
• 20:16
  anywhere. Uh, and so, but loyalty and
• 20:20
  and staffing is going to be important
• 20:21
  some of these new coaches. And I always
• 20:23
  thought for that's one of the most
• 20:25
  important things. Do they know how to
• 20:26
  staff? Can they put together that staff?
• 20:28
  Because the staff will make you or break
• 20:30
  you.
• 20:30
  >> No doubt about it. No doubt about it.
• 20:33
  And some of these guys, you know, you
• 20:35
  know, when I talk to them oneonone know,
• 20:37
  what's your goals? What do you want to
• 20:38
  do? Hey, I want to be a head coach. I
• 20:40
  said, well, that's great. Well, go be
• 20:41
  the best receiver coach in America then.
• 20:43
  That's what I'm that's what we're paying
• 20:44
  you for right now to be the best
• 20:46
  offensive line coach in America or
• 20:48
  defensive back coach, whatever it may
• 20:50
  be. And uh you said it so well. Don't
• 20:52
  worry about this job. You worry about
• 20:54
  getting your group of 10 players getting
• 20:56
  them to play at a very high level. But
• 20:58
  that thing, you know, it's tough and and
• 21:00
  then you always I always thought it was
• 21:01
  tough in that transition when you go to
• 21:03
  another school cuz you know those
• 21:05
  there's always those few boosters that
• 21:07
  would give you those name. This is a guy
• 21:08
  you got to keep. This is a guy you got
• 21:10
  to keep. You know, you always get this
• 21:12
  advice, you know, and so to you got to
• 21:14
  filter all that out and get the best
• 21:16
  group of guys that will get in that
• 21:18
  foxhole with you.
• 21:19
  >> That's right. It's funny. I was I was at
• 21:21
  we had we had we had a uh Christmas
• 21:23
  decorations at church last night. Uh and
• 21:25
  our assistant pastor kind of got that
• 21:28
  that that that shadow beard. You know
• 21:30
  they can see you see on the sideline
• 21:32
  those coordinators. They all look the
• 21:34
  same. They got that square jaw. They got
• 21:36
  that shadow on their face that and they
• 21:38
  all have that I want to be a head coach
• 21:40
  look. And I put the arm around my
• 21:42
  preacher. I said preacher look at your
• 21:44
  assistant. He's got that coaching
• 21:46
  waiting look in his face. You better be
• 21:48
  careful. He got that coaching cuz every
• 21:51
  time I look on the sideline, it's almost
• 21:53
  like who's got that perfect look, you
• 21:55
  know, and ready for the next job. You
• 21:57
  better be good at what you do. Uh or
• 22:00
  you're not going to be out there
• 22:01
  available for that next job.
• 22:02
  >> Your your your dad and Frank Roy, some
• 22:05
  of these guys, they'd be upset with some
• 22:07
  of the dress code that's going on on
• 22:08
  those sidelines. Ronnie Ronnie, have you
• 22:11
  noticed some of these cut off sleeves
• 22:12
  and some of the Bill Bich snipe stuff?
• 22:15
  They they got those six day old fright
• 22:17
  bros was a you know button up you know
• 22:19
  he like clean and clean.
• 22:21
  >> Oh yeah. Take a look at take a look.
• 22:24
  >> Yeah. He he would tell me sometimes
• 22:27
  there's a couple of your coaches that
• 22:29
  need to clean up a little bit better
• 22:32
  weekends, you know. And I said, "Yes,
• 22:34
  sir. Yes, sir. We'll get that taken care
• 22:35
  of, coach." You know,
• 22:38
  >> well, you know, when I went to Auburn, I
• 22:40
  was young. I was 36 years old. I was
• 22:41
  young and I don't care if my dad was a
• 22:43
  head coach. I was nervous as could be.
• 22:45
  Uh, but Suge Jordan wore a shirt and
• 22:48
  tie. Pat and I wore a shirt and tie. So,
• 22:50
  I wore a shirt and tie just out of
• 22:52
  respect for what they wore. You know, we
• 22:54
  were all moving away from that. My dad
• 22:56
  moved away from that. But I just felt
• 22:58
  like being a young guy at a school like
• 23:00
  with tradition that that would be
• 23:02
  respectful of the way they used to do
• 23:04
  it. And that of course we started
• 23:05
  winning and I couldn't I couldn't change
• 23:07
  shirt and tie. I had to stay with the
• 23:09
  whole time uh as far as that sideline.
• 23:11
  But there is
• 23:12
  >> What What year? What year was it when
• 23:14
  you you went 15 and0?
• 23:16
  >> Well, well, my I went undefeated my
• 23:18
  first year in 93, but we were on
• 23:20
  probation and then we won the first n we
• 23:23
  went to 20. We won the first nine my
• 23:25
  second year before we ever tied back. We
• 23:27
  tied Georgia, but we won our first 20
• 23:29
  straight and I I should have I should
• 23:31
  have lost early and won late. I made the
• 23:34
  mistake of winning too much early.
• 23:36
  >> Hey, you and I on the same page on that
• 23:38
  one. Hey, one one real good first couple
• 23:40
  of years at Old Miss and Ed Orzon left
• 23:44
  me some good players. They didn't want
• 23:46
  to real He left me some good players,
• 23:47
  but those last two signing classes
• 23:49
  wasn't very good. We had all freshman,
• 23:52
  but uh you know, it's how it works
• 23:54
  sometimes, you know. It's just it's it's
• 23:55
  tough gig.
• 23:56
  >> Yeah, it make of all the movement. I
• 24:00
  mean, last year we had no jobs in the
• 24:01
  SEC. This year you've got what five
• 24:03
  open. Um and and there's going to be
• 24:06
  some I've been saying all along there's
• 24:07
  going to be some strange hires. Guys get
• 24:09
  jobs because there's the cycles move so
• 24:11
  quickly. Um there just not a lot of
• 24:13
  proven guys. And so I think I think
• 24:15
  you're starting to see that.
• 24:17
  >> Boy, I know it. You know, every year,
• 24:20
  you know, the the first press
• 24:21
  conference, I'll never forget SEC, my
• 24:23
  our guys would say they'd always talk
• 24:25
  about the hot seat. The hot seat. Who's
• 24:27
  on the hot seat? And I said, "Guys,
• 24:29
  look, every day you might as well say,
• 24:31
  "Hey, I'm on the hot seat." There's a
• 24:33
  lot of them except maybe Nick Saving
• 24:34
  who's not on the hot seat, but everybody
• 24:36
  else is on the hot seat because you
• 24:37
  better win.
• 24:38
  >> And Frank Bros was great because he was
• 24:40
  so honest. He said,
• 24:42
  >> "We pay you a lot of money and I love
• 24:44
  the way you your players graduate. I
• 24:47
  love they're involved in the community,
• 24:48
  but remember I pay you to win." And so
• 24:52
  he was he was so honest and direct and
• 24:55
  hey, I knew where I stood, you know, and
• 24:56
  and he was right. But Ronnie, getting
• 24:58
  back to your question, that's what makes
• 25:00
  it hard. It seems like every year
• 25:02
  there's two to three, you know, there's
• 25:05
  going to be two or three changes every
• 25:06
  year in the SEC because everybody wants
• 25:08
  to win like yesterday. They want to win.
• 25:11
  Boosters want to win. All these people
• 25:13
  want to they want to win. They and a lot
• 25:15
  of them you winning is different. Eight
• 25:18
  wins uh that ain't good enough. There's
• 25:20
  some programs that you got to be in the
• 25:22
  hunt. You got to be in the championship
• 25:23
  of the SEC. So there's a lot of
• 25:26
  different levels and as you say there's
• 25:27
  some coaches and that's where it goes
• 25:29
  back to what Terry's saying where the
• 25:30
  silverfields, the goalish, you know,
• 25:33
  those level of coaches uh will be given
• 25:36
  a chance if they got a good track record
• 25:38
  because as you said there there's just
• 25:40
  not a number there's just not that
• 25:42
  number of coaches out there that are
• 25:43
  ready to go.
• 25:44
  >> Yeah. You got to got you got to just win
• 25:46
  where you are. Well, before we get
• 25:47
  going, I want to sit there. All right.
• 25:49
  You've kind of watched the football
• 25:50
  field as they play this year. I've
• 25:53
  watched it uh as well. Uh give me two or
• 25:56
  three things people that you think will
• 25:57
  do well in the post. How do you think
• 25:59
  the postseason will go? Do you have a
• 26:00
  team team or two that you think can go
• 26:02
  all the way? And why would they go all
• 26:04
  the way?
• 26:05
  >> Okay, Terry. I I tell you what, I've
• 26:07
  watched this Indiana team. I've watched
• 26:09
  them go to Oregon. I I I've watched them
• 26:12
  play when they were behind when
• 26:14
  adversity is hidden. I love this Mendoza
• 26:17
  kid. And I love how hard and how
• 26:19
  physical Indiana is. And I can't believe
• 26:22
  I'm saying I'm saying watch out for
• 26:23
  Indiana. I think they're sound, man. I
• 26:26
  think they're sound and every I keep
• 26:27
  looking for flaws. I don't see I can't
• 26:30
  wait for this Ohio State because Ohio
• 26:32
  State looks like to me
• 26:35
  uh they got probably the most depth when
• 26:37
  you look at the depth of of Dlinemen, O
• 26:40
  linemen. You look at the speed the
• 26:43
  receivers of out of this world. Jeremiah
• 26:45
  Smith looks like the quarterback saying
• 26:48
  he knows how to protect the ball, get
• 26:50
  them out of the right wrong play, get
• 26:51
  them in the right play. I can't wait for
• 26:54
  that game. Uh because Indiana is going
• 26:57
  to be in this tournament and I'm I'm
• 26:59
  anxious to see where they land. I think
• 27:01
  they'll be good. The other two I want to
• 27:03
  talk about right now.
• 27:04
  >> Yeah.
• 27:05
  >> I want you to look at Texas these last
• 27:08
  few weeks, this this little Arch Manning
• 27:11
  now has grown up a little bit. He's
• 27:13
  gotten comfortable and they're playing
• 27:16
  better on defense and so I don't know if
• 27:19
  Texas can get in. But how about
• 27:22
  Vanderbilt?
• 27:23
  >> This quarterback Pavier this guy again
• 27:27
  we're talking about Vanderbilt
• 27:29
  really probably should be in this thing.
• 27:32
  I don't know if they can get in, but
• 27:34
  they're fun. They are fun to watch. They
• 27:36
  can run. They'll hit you. They're
• 27:38
  physical. I think co coach Lee's done a
• 27:40
  great job.
• 27:42
  Excuse me. But um Oregon, Oregon's
• 27:46
  another one. You got speed. They're
• 27:48
  quick. I love coach Lanning's attitude.
• 27:52
  He was a Bruins Award finalist. I got to
• 27:54
  meet him a couple years back. I like the
• 27:56
  way he's engaged, Terry, uh with his
• 28:00
  players. You know, players don't care
• 28:03
  how much you know until they know how
• 28:04
  much you care.
• 28:05
  >> One thing I've seen with him,
• 28:08
  >> uh those players know that he cares and
• 28:10
  they'll run through a wall for him now.
• 28:12
  they'll go fight for him. So, I I I got
• 28:15
  my eye on Oregon, Ohio State, and but
• 28:18
  the Indiana to me is the surprise of the
• 28:20
  surprise because I think this
• 28:22
  quarterback is special.
• 28:23
  >> You know, it's funny you mentioned
• 28:24
  Indiana. Indiana, people didn't know
• 28:26
  Kurt Signetti. When when my father was
• 28:28
  the head coach at West Virginia, I was a
• 28:30
  walk-on when we started. His offensive
• 28:33
  coordinator was Frank Signetti. Frank
• 28:35
  Signetti was Kurt's dad. And Frank was
• 28:38
  kind of a genius offensive coordinator.
• 28:40
  He was unbelievably knowledgeable. We we
• 28:43
  nicknamed him Frank Click Netty because
• 28:45
  he ran that projector back and forth so
• 28:47
  many times you couldn't never leave a
• 28:49
  meeting cuz he But that's the kind of
• 28:51
  thing Kurt Kurt was raised there with us
• 28:53
  about five years younger than me. But
• 28:55
  he's kind of like his dad. They beat
• 28:57
  I'll tell you a funny story. They beat
• 28:58
  William and Mary and Lou. My dad was
• 29:00
  kind of close to old Lou. Uh Lou was
• 29:02
  different. Not everybody got along with
• 29:04
  old Lou. If my dad and him were close
• 29:05
  and my dad beat him at William and Mary
• 29:07
  real bad and Lou got mad said, "Why'd
• 29:09
  you run the score up?" He said he said,
• 29:11
  "Lou, it's not my job to keep the score
• 29:13
  down. It's your job to keep the score
• 29:14
  down." Now, he said that he said that as
• 29:16
  a joke, but but Frank Signetti was
• 29:19
  probably out there out there because
• 29:20
  that's the way Kurt goes. He don't care
• 29:22
  about the score. It's going to be as
• 29:24
  much as he can score. And that goes back
• 29:26
  to I think uh just that's your object.
• 29:28
  That's what my dad said, Terry. Don't
• 29:30
  worry about whether you run it or score
• 29:32
  as many points as you can score and
• 29:34
  that'll help your defense more than any
• 29:36
  anything when it when it comes to that.
• 29:38
  But Indiana isn't and I'm kind of I'm
• 29:40
  gonna throw Georgia and I think Georgia
• 29:41
  is trending
• 29:43
  >> and and Texas like they rushed for 217
• 29:45
  yards. They hadn't been running well.
• 29:46
  They ran well. Uh and all of a sudden
• 29:49
  then when they began to run well, the
• 29:51
  quarterback became a better quarterback.
• 29:52
  It was amazing how that works together
• 29:55
  where he's throwing under less difficult
• 29:57
  situations. But I I like those and and
• 30:00
  uh it's going to be it'll be
• 30:01
  interesting. I love the playoffs. I
• 30:02
  guess I came from uh I coached division
• 30:05
  three, division two, division 1 doublea
• 30:07
  and we had playoffs, you know, and so it
• 30:10
  and I and and so I like the fact that
• 30:12
  that it has made the it makes last
• 30:15
  weekend was incredibly important to us.
• 30:17
  A lot of football teams
• 30:18
  >> that it wouldn't have been important to.
• 30:21
  >> No doubt about it. No doubt about it.
• 30:23
  I'm like you. I I I like the playoffs as
• 30:25
  well. Murray State gave me my first
• 30:27
  taste of it. And boy, there's a there's
• 30:29
  a few teams that I had I know you had
• 30:31
  too that think, boy, if we had that 12
• 30:32
  team, I'd be in that playoff and see
• 30:34
  what would happen. You know, I miss
• 30:36
  that. Like you said, we missed a couple
• 30:38
  things. We missed the playoffs and we
• 30:39
  missed that pay window. But other than
• 30:41
  that,
• 30:42
  >> other than that, you know, the the thing
• 30:45
  you miss the most is the relationships.
• 30:47
  >> Yeah.
• 30:47
  >> With these players, man, you miss it.
• 30:49
  And u this is going to be a fun time to
• 30:52
  see how this I'm really anxious, Terry,
• 30:54
  to Ronnie. I What do y'all think? I'm
• 30:57
  really curious to see how they do this
• 30:59
  thing Tuesday night with what's all
• 31:01
  happened, especially with the miss
• 31:03
  scenario, right?
• 31:04
  >> I'm real curious because I don't think
• 31:06
  they should punish them uh because of
• 31:08
  the change of coach. So, I'm I'm I've
• 31:10
  got my eyes set and my my recorder
• 31:13
  setting on this one. I want to see what
• 31:14
  these guys do on this one.
• 31:15
  >> Yeah, I think it'd be a bad standard to
• 31:17
  set. If they were to do that, I think
• 31:19
  they would set a bad standard for what
• 31:21
  they might do in the in the future
• 31:23
  because I don't believe that should be
• 31:25
  that's such a a disrespectful of the
• 31:27
  players that did so much for that
• 31:29
  program and the university that uh like
• 31:31
  you said brought Lane Kein in that gave
• 31:34
  him what he needed to be successful and
• 31:36
  uh uh and I you know I live in
• 31:39
  Louisiana. Be careful what you ask for.
• 31:41
  You just might get it cuz he he going to
• 31:43
  have if he don't eat crawfish now, he
• 31:45
  going to be eating crawfish pretty soon.
• 31:46
  And I'm going to tell you right now, cuz
• 31:48
  that's all they eat here. I eat crawfish
• 31:50
  all summer and fall. It seems like now
• 31:53
  that I moved down here.
• 31:56
  >> I love it. I love it. That's right.
• 31:59
  >> Houston, before we let before we let you
• 32:01
  go, when did when did Miss and Missouri
• 32:05
  and Vandy swap places with Auburn and
• 32:06
  Florida?
• 32:09
  >> Boy, I tell you what, Ronnie, that's
• 32:12
  what I was saying at the first of the
• 32:13
  show. I it's just hard to believe, you
• 32:15
  know, but uh you know, times have
• 32:18
  changed and I'm I'm I'm sitting there
• 32:20
  thinking, boy, I'd like to played Auburn
• 32:23
  back in my day right now. I don't
• 32:25
  remember him being like that on offense,
• 32:27
  you know, cuz they've always had a back
• 32:28
  LSU, same thing on offense. I always
• 32:30
  remember having that big Kevin Faulk or
• 32:32
  uh you know those big- time receivers.
• 32:35
  How about Justin Jefferson and Jamar
• 32:37
  Chase?
• 32:38
  >> You know, I don't see those guys. So,
• 32:41
  >> it's just a matter of time. I think
• 32:42
  they'll come back. That's the one thing
• 32:43
  you know about these programs. It will
• 32:45
  come back.
• 32:46
  >> Uh but again, now the the added scenario
• 32:49
  to it though, the little bitty thing
• 32:51
  there at the end is now your your alum
• 32:54
  your boosters have got to get involved
• 32:55
  in this NIL because it's been proven by
• 32:58
  Texas Tech.
• 32:59
  >> I mean, Texas Tech is scoring points,
• 33:02
  guys. And I'm anxious to see how they'll
• 33:05
  do. And I it just seems like to me their
• 33:08
  defense can run. I mean, but but how
• 33:10
  does this come about? Well, it's come
• 33:12
  about because people are paying money.
• 33:14
  >> Right. Exactly.
• 33:15
  >> And so they're they bought them a team
• 33:17
  and and so it's just uh those alumni and
• 33:20
  boosters, if you want a team, they got
• 33:22
  to get involved.
• 33:24
  >> Well, I'm I'm with you. I Diego Pabia to
• 33:28
  me, he would be the hands-own Heisman
• 33:30
  winner to me this year. I don't know
• 33:31
  that Mendoza probably will or or saying
• 33:34
  Ohio State because their teams are
• 33:36
  undefeated. But no quarterback this year
• 33:39
  anywhere has made the impact on college
• 33:42
  football on a team. First 10- win season
• 33:44
  in school history, regular season in
• 33:47
  school history. Uh and when I watched
• 33:49
  him every game you watch him, it's
• 33:52
  amazing that he makes very good teams uh
• 33:55
  not look as good on defense. So again, I
• 33:57
  I I I love Diego Pabia. I don't know
• 34:00
  that he'll win it because it's a it's a
• 34:02
  popularity contest and I'm not sure
• 34:04
  enough voters up north really want to
• 34:07
  watch Vanderbilt, but he has been a he
• 34:09
  has been an incredible quarterback.
• 34:11
  >> He has, Terry. And I tell you, I've been
• 34:13
  in Knoxville. I've been in that
• 34:15
  coliseum. That thing's rocking.
• 34:17
  >> And for him to go to Knoxville
• 34:19
  >> and he's he's got ice water in his
• 34:21
  veins. He And you said it. You said he
• 34:23
  he put the team on his back and he beat
• 34:26
  him he beat Tennessee in a hostile
• 34:29
  hostile environment. I got a lot of
• 34:31
  respect for Vandy and uh
• 34:35
  >> well Houston, we appreciate you being
• 34:36
  with us today.
• 34:37
  >> Thank you.
• 34:38
  >> Enjoyed it, guys.
• 34:39
  >> Great fun. I I enjoyed it. Best wishes
• 34:41
  to you and hope to see you somewhere
• 34:43
  down the road.
• 34:43
  >> You bet. You bet. Y'all take care, guys.
• 34:46
  >> Take care. I don't mind being labeled
• 34:48
  old school when you're when you
• 34:50
  associated with the Houston nut and the
• 34:51
  people like that who uh and you've got
• 34:53
  to go back and he had a football family.
• 34:55
  Dad was a high school coach and a
• 34:57
  basketball player at Old Miss years ago.
• 34:59
  His brother's a coach, his other
• 35:01
  brothers in athletics, a football
• 35:02
  family. I think the rest of them
• 35:04
  probably still coaching or or ADN or
• 35:07
  administrative, but it's a great
• 35:09
  football family and a great tradition uh
• 35:12
  that he that he has had. Uh, and you got
• 35:15
  to go back, he and I are getting old and
• 35:17
  a lot of people don't have any idea that
• 35:19
  we actually won a few games uh, back in
• 35:21
  the day, but he sure did. And three SEC
• 35:24
  champion, three SEC coach of the year
• 35:26
  awards, national coach of the year at
• 35:28
  1A, national coach of the year at 1A.
• 35:31
  Uh, uh, and he Arkansas and Miss were
• 35:35
  the schools that he kind of, you know,
• 35:36
  worked around uh, during his time in the
• 35:40
  SEC and did a great job. And Frank Bro
• 35:42
  is one of one of the great coaches. Uh
• 35:44
  the Daryl Royal, Frank Broyals, they
• 35:46
  went along with Johnny Vaude and Bear
• 35:48
  Bryant, Wally Bud, some of the old
• 35:51
  coaches that will go back in the SEC
• 35:53
  history um that were legends in our
• 35:56
  profession.
• 35:58
  >> Yeah, no doubt. And it's it's going to
• 36:00
  be um you know, you talk about you
• 36:02
  talked about back in the good old days,
• 36:04
  it's it's a it's a it's a different
• 36:06
  world. I mean, there's I don't remember
• 36:09
  a time where Auburn would have hired a
• 36:12
  guy who was born in Russia, went to Ohio
• 36:14
  State
• 36:15
  >> and has spent his entire I mean, outside
• 36:17
  of the the last six years, he'd never
• 36:19
  coached in the South and if you count
• 36:21
  Florida as a South. Um I mean, it's uh
• 36:25
  you know, it's a different it's a
• 36:27
  different animal. It's going to be
• 36:27
  interesting to see how he does.
• 36:29
  >> Yeah. I mean, and that's what we'll
• 36:30
  probably get to now a little bit is the
• 36:32
  new coach, the new hire at cuz at at
• 36:34
  Auburn, and I don't know that that
• 36:36
  precedes the the game against Alabama,
• 36:38
  but we'll put that one off till we get
• 36:40
  through talking about the new coach
• 36:42
  because uh uh uh there are no moral
• 36:45
  victories and there are no close losses
• 36:47
  against Alabama. But it was a uh uh you
• 36:50
  have to walk away from Auburn feeling
• 36:52
  kind of proud of how hard they played
• 36:55
  under different coaches and how how how
• 36:58
  well they played and and I and I'm gonna
• 37:00
  have to take my hat off to the coach at
• 37:02
  Alabama. I don't know if I would he he
• 37:03
  he went for it on fourth and two.
• 37:05
  >> Yeah.
• 37:06
  >> Now they kick a field goal and there and
• 37:08
  I don't think it was a good call
• 37:09
  >> but but it was but it but but it worked
• 37:11
  out. But I'm thinking why are you doing
• 37:13
  that? You you got three minutes left in
• 37:15
  the game. Yeah, you know, they they
• 37:17
  haven't scored a whole lot of points. At
• 37:19
  the best, they probably at the best they
• 37:21
  might kick a field goal and tie it up.
• 37:23
  But if you go up, you're at least you're
• 37:25
  winning the game, but he but and if he
• 37:27
  don't make that, you know, I guess he
• 37:29
  figured they could hold him there and go
• 37:30
  to overtime anyway, maybe. I don't know.
• 37:32
  But anyway, I I would have I don't know
• 37:34
  that many coaches, but he did it to make
• 37:36
  a statement that he felt like they could
• 37:38
  do it, and it worked. and uh it forced
• 37:41
  Auburn to go down and have to score a
• 37:42
  touchdown and they were on their way uh
• 37:45
  until that fumble. But anyway, we'll get
• 37:47
  to that after we get to the new head
• 37:48
  coach. But and you mentioned it, Auburn
• 37:51
  hiring a coach from Russia. Uh and he's
• 37:54
  not even from above the Mason Dixon
• 37:57
  line. He's from Russia.
• 37:59
  But boy has he done a good job. And I'm
• 38:01
  trying to I've tried to look at all his
• 38:03
  background and what the possibilities
• 38:06
  are. And uh I think a pretty good hire.
• 38:10
  I think with what based on what's
• 38:12
  available uh coaches that have have kind
• 38:14
  of put themselves in a position to show
• 38:17
  what they can do. Uh the more I've gone
• 38:20
  back and I've watched a lot of his
• 38:21
  football this year at South Florida. I
• 38:24
  think they've got I think that I think
• 38:25
  they've got a coach uh that is on the
• 38:28
  verge of making big things happen at the
• 38:30
  power four level.
• 38:32
  >> Well, Cohen said when he fired Freeze
• 38:34
  that he wanted somebody with an edge.
• 38:36
  Um,
• 38:37
  >> and he he hired the exact opposite of
• 38:39
  Freeze. I mean, yeah, if you watch him
• 38:41
  and you see the, you know, I'm not sure
• 38:43
  if you watch the video, him and Tom
• 38:44
  Herman two years ago. Um, you know, it
• 38:47
  was postgame. I mean, he's he's
• 38:50
  certainly got an edge. Um, you know, and
• 38:52
  I knew somebody who worked with him at
• 38:54
  Central Florida and, um, he he was not a
• 38:57
  fan. Uh, and so I started doing some
• 38:58
  digging around yesterday and the more I
• 39:01
  dug around, um, the the words the the
• 39:04
  the things that I heard people describe
• 39:06
  him, you know, brash, arrogant,
• 39:09
  >> detailed, smart, um, hardworking. Um,
• 39:12
  but he's certainly got an edge. Um, the
• 39:15
  the the the brashness, the the, you
• 39:17
  know, the arrogance. I mean, that's not
• 39:19
  that's typically not tied to Auburn, but
• 39:20
  it's a it's a new day.
• 39:22
  >> Well, again, I and I I guess when I
• 39:24
  spoke, I did not speak in regard to his
• 39:26
  person. I don't know him. I don't know
• 39:28
  of that onetoone basis where of an
• 39:30
  arrogance, uh, cockiness, confidence,
• 39:33
  whatever you call it. I'm speaking
• 39:35
  strictly about where he's coached, what
• 39:37
  he's done since he's gotten to where
• 39:39
  he's gone, uh, and how he's done it, who
• 39:42
  has taught him, and where he comes from,
• 39:45
  and from a football standpoint, and and
• 39:47
  then I I look at his overall team stats
• 39:50
  and what they do uh, offensively and how
• 39:52
  they how they have done it. uh he has
• 39:55
  done a remarkable job at South Florida.
• 39:57
  They were not a team that had any good
• 39:59
  football before he got there the the
• 40:01
  previous two or three years uh when he
• 40:03
  went there. Now he went I think one of
• 40:05
  his early jobs he was a a graduate
• 40:06
  assistant Ohio State uh Northern
• 40:09
  Illinois uh which is kind of because he
• 40:11
  was in Dublin, Ohio where at a at a very
• 40:13
  good high school uh because I coached at
• 40:16
  Akan for seven years. I think I
• 40:17
  recruited at most of the schools there
• 40:19
  but but then he first full-time job was
• 40:22
  at Toledo. Tim Beckman was the head
• 40:24
  coach and Tim went to Illinois and took
• 40:26
  him to Illinois. But there was also a
• 40:28
  coach on that staff, Matt Campbell,
• 40:30
  because I coached against them when he
• 40:31
  was there. I coached against his head co
• 40:33
  his teams at Toledo. Uh when I was at
• 40:36
  Akran, he was with Ted Beckman. Beckman
• 40:37
  went to Illinois. Uh took him with him
• 40:40
  there. Uh then, uh Todd Campbell got me
• 40:44
  Matt Campbell got the head job at Iowa
• 40:45
  State and took him there. Now those guys
• 40:48
  aren't wild wide openen offensive people
• 40:50
  now.
• 40:50
  >> Yeah. fundamental football, run the
• 40:52
  football, good uh balanced offense, play
• 40:55
  defense, uh Midwest football. So that's
• 40:58
  what that was his background. And then
• 41:00
  he goes to uh UCF uh at I don't know if
• 41:03
  he had maybe had a job in between that,
• 41:05
  I don't know, but he ended up being at
• 41:06
  UCF with Josh Hypel.
• 41:08
  >> He was at where he got his his
• 41:11
  introduction to a uptempo, fast-paced.
• 41:15
  And then when Josh got the head job at
• 41:18
  Tennessee, he went there with him also.
• 41:21
  And I think that was the year they had
• 41:22
  that great offense. 21 I think was that
• 41:24
  fabulous offense they had with H.
• 41:26
  Hearnen Hooker at quarterback and all
• 41:28
  those receivers. I want to say that was
• 41:30
  that was but he got he he began to
• 41:33
  understand tempo up tempo uh run game
• 41:36
  vertical passing games uh spread your
• 41:39
  splits out uh as a wide receivers and
• 41:42
  understood and was part of a an offense
• 41:45
  that's very very explosive and a lot of
• 41:48
  people have come from that offensive
• 41:49
  style and that's where he left there and
• 41:52
  took the USF job I think I'm right in
• 41:54
  saying they left Tennessee and got the
• 41:55
  USF job that was not they had had three
• 41:58
  losing seasons I want to say
• 42:00
  >> I think they won four games the previous
• 42:01
  two or three years. I mean
• 42:03
  >> yes and then he goes seven and six wins
• 42:05
  a bowl seven and six and win the bowl
• 42:06
  then this year nine and three nine nine
• 42:09
  and three uh and going to a bowl uh and
• 42:13
  then they just do statistically
• 42:15
  offensively they just ate it up. They
• 42:17
  just tore it up and the quarterback
• 42:19
  there if you've watched them play much
• 42:20
  uh was fabulous. uh their statistics,
• 42:24
  their their scoring ability. They scored
• 42:25
  against everybody except I mean they
• 42:27
  beat Florida 18 to 16, you know. Uh but
• 42:31
  they were able to to do a lot
• 42:33
  offensively. Uh and it's a balanced
• 42:35
  offense. It's a balanced offense. They
• 42:37
  they had I think I want to go they had
• 42:39
  217 first downs running the ball, 217
• 42:41
  first downs throwing the football.
• 42:43
  Average 270 I think it was 270 yards
• 42:47
  passing, 221 rushing. So he it's it's a
• 42:50
  balanced offense, you know, and uh uh
• 42:52
  they're about 50% on third downs. So
• 42:55
  offensively, and I thought I say all
• 42:57
  this stuff offensively because I believe
• 43:00
  TJ Durkin has agreed to stay. Is that is
• 43:03
  that too early? Am I premature on that?
• 43:06
  >> They were meeting uh last night and and
• 43:08
  I think this morning. Um so I'm not sure
• 43:10
  >> and I'm sure they would I'm sure Auburn
• 43:13
  would want him to stay. Uh, I will say
• 43:15
  this, you've got to give the head coach
• 43:17
  the ability to make his own mind up. But
• 43:19
  I'm thinking, uh, and I did this when I
• 43:21
  went to Auburn. I was an offensive play
• 43:23
  caller. I called the offense. I ran the
• 43:25
  offense. I needed to have a defensive
• 43:28
  coordinator. And Wayne Hall was already
• 43:30
  there. And they had good defense. And I
• 43:34
  had that old philosophy, if it ain't
• 43:35
  broken, don't fix it. And so I felt like
• 43:38
  we could maintain some continuity on
• 43:39
  defense and I could get an offensive
• 43:42
  staff and surround myself with offensive
• 43:44
  people that uh believed in what I was
• 43:47
  doing. And of course Tommy Bowen was was
• 43:50
  the uh I retained Tommy because he had
• 43:52
  run the exact same offense. Uh Rick
• 43:54
  Tricket was a fellow that was close to
• 43:56
  us that we knew from way back at West
• 43:57
  Virginia. He was one of the younger then
• 44:01
  but tougher offensive line coaches. and
• 44:03
  and and Rodney Allison who worked with
• 44:06
  Tommy earlier from Texas Tech. If you
• 44:07
  remember Rodney Allison, hard-nosed
• 44:09
  running back coach, but the big thing
• 44:11
  was I said, "See, you know what? Thank
• 44:13
  goodness we were able to train. We
• 44:15
  retained Joe Wit and Wayne Hall on that
• 44:18
  defense. Rodney Garner was a graduate
• 44:20
  assistant. I made him a full-time
• 44:21
  assistant and I coached tight ends and
• 44:23
  be the recruiting coordinator." Uh, and
• 44:26
  then we had to bring it then you want to
• 44:27
  bring in what you can. Now, when you're
• 44:29
  at South Florida and all those coaches
• 44:32
  help you get to where you now are, you
• 44:35
  you want to reward them. But Auburn pays
• 44:37
  you to hire the best coaches in America
• 44:39
  and they're going to pay him to hire the
• 44:40
  best coaches in America. So,
• 44:42
  unfortunately, just like when I was at
• 44:44
  Sanford, he can't bring them all with
• 44:46
  him. He'll probably bring some of the
• 44:48
  ones that are the did the best job or
• 44:49
  fit fit the situation. But the sad thing
• 44:53
  is you can't bring them all with you.
• 44:54
  And and that's what happens. And I when
• 44:56
  I left Sanford and came to Auburn, it
• 44:58
  was clear I had to I had to bring some
• 45:00
  and leave some. I brought Jimbo Fischer
• 45:03
  uh brought Jack Hines and Jimbo Fiser
• 45:05
  with me from Sanford and Todd Straoud
• 45:08
  who was our strength coach uh from
• 45:10
  Sanford. But we were able to mix new
• 45:12
  coaches with coaches from the staff um
• 45:17
  and and with uh uh other coaches that
• 45:19
  I'd want I had wanted to work with from
• 45:21
  earlier times to come in. That's where
• 45:24
  uh uh Gor Gorsuch Gor Gorsuch is it? No,
• 45:28
  Gorsuch. Yeah, Gich. I want to say it
• 45:29
  right. Goulsuch. Anyway, that's what
• 45:32
  he's going to have to do is make sure he
• 45:33
  gets a good staff because that's going
• 45:35
  to be very very important. A lot of
• 45:37
  coaches you hire don't know how to hire
• 45:39
  a staff. And uh
• 45:41
  >> there is no question. He and he's
• 45:42
  brought his offense most of his
• 45:44
  offensive staff I think from Yeah.
• 45:45
  >> from USF brought Cody Burns who who was
• 45:48
  working with him. I'll I'll share some
• 45:49
  text messages I you know from from guys
• 45:51
  that that I
• 45:52
  >> I texted with last night.
• 45:54
  >> Um you know went went with Beck to
• 45:56
  Toledo in Illinois. Beg is an urban guy.
• 45:59
  >> Yeah.
• 45:59
  >> Um big then he went to Iowa State with
• 46:02
  Campbell. Big influence big influence
• 46:04
  there. Um he's very smart, articulate.
• 46:07
  Players like him.
• 46:08
  >> Um very serious dude. smart enough to
• 46:12
  have some swag and can be comedic, but
• 46:14
  make no mistake in recruiting and
• 46:16
  coaching decisions will be every eye
• 46:18
  will be will be dotted and every tea
• 46:20
  crossed. So,
• 46:22
  >> I mean, that's kind of what you want to
• 46:24
  hear. I mean, that's what you want to
• 46:25
  hear. I think, you know, I've always
• 46:26
  said cocky and uh confident and arrogant
• 46:29
  are two different things. Arrogant is a
• 46:31
  is a self appreciation of things you
• 46:34
  aren't qualified for. I mean, arrogance
• 46:36
  is being thinking you're good about
• 46:38
  things you really aren't qualified for.
• 46:40
  competence, cockiness or cockurity,
• 46:42
  whatever you want to call it, uh is a u
• 46:45
  is a is something that's based on fact,
• 46:48
  you know, and I think he's done his
• 46:49
  homework. And I could see a guy like
• 46:51
  that be you always picture a guy that
• 46:53
  his family got got out of Russia when
• 46:55
  they could and that he worked his way up
• 46:57
  from not having any background in
• 46:58
  college football till he came to
• 47:00
  America. But Dublin, Ohio and and is it
• 47:03
  Scotia? Scotia. uh the school that he's
• 47:06
  uh I forget the name of the high school,
• 47:08
  but it's a very very qual
• 47:11
  high school football. And you got to
• 47:12
  understand in Ohio football's very
• 47:14
  important. A high school in Ohio
• 47:17
  football is much older than it is in the
• 47:20
  South. I mean, we're talking about I
• 47:21
  mean, Masselin, Canton, Mckenley, some
• 47:23
  of the programs, but it's uh but they're
• 47:25
  passionate about their their football in
• 47:27
  Ohio just as they are in the South. And
• 47:29
  so, he was raised around it. worked with
• 47:31
  like you mentioned Tim Beckman, uh Matt
• 47:33
  Campbell, guy I coached against him when
• 47:35
  he was at Toledo. I didn't know he was
• 47:37
  on the sideline, but he was on the
• 47:39
  sideline in those staffs when I coached
• 47:41
  against him. And uh and then Josh Hypel
• 47:43
  I I it's funny, I was u in fact I was
• 47:46
  already in ABC Sports. I left Auburn,
• 47:48
  went to ABC Sports, but my dad played
• 47:50
  Oklahoma in the national championship
• 47:52
  game and I was able to to watch that
• 47:55
  game. Well, I was doing I would
• 47:56
  broadcast it did the uh did the uh
• 47:58
  pregame and halftime. Josh Hyperel was
• 48:00
  the quarterback of that championship
• 48:03
  game in 199 2000 1999 my dad won against
• 48:08
  Virginia Tech 2000 he lost it against
• 48:10
  Oklahoma.
• 48:12
  I I think if they could now I think if
• 48:15
  he could keep Durkin if if that would
• 48:18
  and I'm sure they I would think if he
• 48:20
  looks at the situation I can't say for
• 48:22
  sure because I got to say Durkin may get
• 48:24
  offered Durkin Durkin is going to have
• 48:26
  opportunities because I get a head
• 48:28
  coaching job. I mean with all these
• 48:30
  >> Oh no no and that'll always happen if he
• 48:31
  can get a head job that will always
• 48:33
  happen and it will happen if it doesn't
• 48:34
  happen this year it'll happen just as
• 48:36
  well at Auburn as it will somewhere else
• 48:38
  without having to move. uh if they in
• 48:41
  fact want it. Now, to me, you want a
• 48:45
  coach that's very secure and very sure
• 48:47
  of himself because they have no problem
• 48:48
  hiring a coach there by love here
• 48:51
  before. I mean, if you're if you're
• 48:52
  insecure or you you worry too much, you
• 48:56
  won't hire a guy from the previous
• 48:57
  staff. You're afraid they've got too
• 48:58
  many inside friends that you don't have,
• 49:01
  you know, because uh uh uh but I don't
• 49:04
  think that's the case. I I think you got
• 49:05
  a good defensive coordinator and I
• 49:07
  guarantee it. Uh, I don't care if he's
• 49:10
  an offensive play caller. He don't have
• 49:11
  time to sit in that staff room and
• 49:13
  defensive staff room other than to hear
• 49:15
  what the game plan is and and and give
• 49:18
  his point of view on a Thursday, not on
• 49:20
  a Saturday uh too much except on a
• 49:22
  critical critical uh timeout situation
• 49:24
  or go for it type of deal or things like
• 49:27
  that. Uh but um that will be
• 49:30
  interesting. But you say he's bringing
• 49:31
  his staff, most of his offensive staff
• 49:33
  with him. Yeah, it looked like last
• 49:35
  night he had um I believe we reported
• 49:37
  he's he's already hired I think four
• 49:38
  coaches from South Florida. So um
• 49:42
  >> you know it it's interesting that Cody
• 49:44
  Burns was you know an Auburn alum and he
• 49:46
  was he was already working with him and
• 49:47
  so um it they Cohen did a great job. Of
• 49:50
  course I guess the deal was finally
• 49:51
  finalized Sunday morning.
• 49:53
  >> Um but he did a great job keeping it
• 49:54
  quiet and I you know some all backed out
• 49:56
  went to Florida. Um but I there's just
• 49:59
  going to be some crazy things happen. I
• 50:00
  mean as many jobs are going to be open.
• 50:02
  I mean, I've got my list here. Um,
• 50:06
  I mean, it's it's and that's not even
• 50:08
  talking about, you know, coordinator
• 50:09
  jobs, assistant coach jobs. I mean, it's
• 50:11
  it's a it's going to be a wild wild
• 50:13
  year. And, um, you know, yesterday my
• 50:15
  phone started ringing. I think I got
• 50:17
  home about 3 o'clock in the morning,
• 50:18
  fell asleep fell asleep in a chair and
• 50:20
  got in and went to bed about 7 and the
• 50:22
  phone started ringing about 7:15. So,
• 50:25
  >> Well, and I'll be honest with you and
• 50:28
  this because I had Buddy Davidson. You
• 50:30
  remember Buddy with me?
• 50:31
  >> Absolutely. is I don't know who what you
• 50:33
  what I couldn't want to I don't you kind
• 50:35
  of like Brent Bledo who's on the staff
• 50:37
  there who you need to have somebody
• 50:39
  there that knows the the the ropes not
• 50:41
  the ropes about what's what's the
• 50:43
  background on this bad guy or the good
• 50:45
  about how to when you got to have
• 50:47
  something done he knows how to get you
• 50:48
  across the across the campus he knows
• 50:50
  how to get something from somebody uh so
• 50:53
  you need to find somebody that's loyal
• 50:55
  to uh you but also uh knows the program
• 50:58
  uh and I just I I know you and and I I
• 51:00
  mentioned Brent because Brent was with
• 51:02
  he was there all the way since I was
• 51:03
  there and has been loyal to Auburn
• 51:05
  through a several pro programs but be an
• 51:07
  ideal and there would be other people as
• 51:09
  well but I just
• 51:10
  >> Davidson you mentioned B he was the
• 51:12
  ultimate insider now he'd been around
• 51:14
  forever
• 51:15
  >> he was there with because I I g when I
• 51:17
  got to Auburn you got people understand
• 51:18
  when you follow Pat D there's a huge Pat
• 51:20
  D but there was still a ton of Suge
• 51:23
  Jordan people that coached and worked
• 51:25
  with him and so you had half the people
• 51:28
  that you dealt with were were from the
• 51:30
  judge
• 51:31
  Suge Jordan era, others from the Pat Dy
• 51:33
  era. And so you had a bunch of and that
• 51:36
  Bunny Davidson was through all of that,
• 51:37
  you know, and he was just to have him
• 51:40
  around. Uh it just cut through the red
• 51:42
  tape a lot. He knew where to get things
• 51:44
  done or who to see when you had to go
• 51:46
  see somebody. And
• 51:48
  >> some wisdom on that hall for for a young
• 51:50
  guy. I mean I
• 51:52
  you know I remember in in order I think
• 51:53
  it was Jimbo, Rodney Allison, Tricket,
• 51:56
  we had Pete Jenkins and Brother Oliver
• 51:58
  and Buddy Davidson all in the same hall.
• 51:59
  I mean that at uh as it
• 52:02
  >> a lot of football knowledge there, a lot
• 52:04
  of football wealth and uh uh but but
• 52:06
  again they uh uh I I like the
• 52:09
  possibilities. Here's here's what I
• 52:11
  would say to people. One, make sure he's
• 52:14
  an offensive coach. He's got an
• 52:15
  offensive resume that's really good and
• 52:17
  it's a run and throw. you I don't think
• 52:20
  if you are a great throwing guy, you
• 52:22
  know, Riley at Southern C, that's not
• 52:24
  going to that's not going to make people
• 52:25
  real happy at Auburn unless you remember
• 52:27
  to run that football. And I believe
• 52:29
  that's true. I think in the SEC toward
• 52:31
  the end of the year, if Alabama did
• 52:34
  anything better against Auburn, they ran
• 52:35
  the ball better than they had run the
• 52:37
  ball. You know, Auburn Auburn just
• 52:40
  dominated the statistics dominated
• 52:42
  statistics in that football game except
• 52:44
  two turnovers uh that Auburn had. L I
• 52:47
  had none. uh and a slow start. It was
• 52:50
  all a catch-up game, but but still
• 52:52
  statistically the defense was dominant
• 52:54
  in that game and offensive offense
• 52:56
  caught fire after getting behind 17 to
• 52:58
  nothing in that game. Um but I do think
• 53:02
  if you look at the uh the potential, I
• 53:05
  would say the first thing I would do is
• 53:07
  make sure as the new coach, I think
• 53:08
  you've got your two quarterbacks that
• 53:10
  need to stay. I believe a you know
• 53:13
  Ashton Daniels one more year and I think
• 53:15
  Deuce I think Deuce would stay too
• 53:18
  knowing he's the coach of the
• 53:19
  quarterback of the future although you
• 53:21
  never know how that's going to work.
• 53:22
  they're going to go after they
• 53:24
  everybody's going to go after and look
• 53:25
  at it, you know, but I think that I
• 53:27
  think those two could fit, you know, but
• 53:29
  I think uh I think Ash and Dan, you got
• 53:32
  to have the right one the first year,
• 53:33
  you know, and I don't know that uh I I
• 53:35
  my my impression as as kind of a a
• 53:38
  analyst is that Ashton was more polished
• 53:41
  because because he's been around he's
• 53:43
  played more, he's older, he played a lot
• 53:45
  at Stanford. Uh Deuce was just pure raw
• 53:48
  talent. Just pure raw talent. Uh but uh
• 53:52
  I got a feeling if you watched uh USF's
• 53:55
  I would I would if you're an Auburn fan
• 53:57
  and you want to get a feel for what
• 53:58
  you're looking at offensively, go look
• 54:00
  at highlight video uh go to a podcast or
• 54:03
  YouTube podcast and just pick a game out
• 54:05
  and and look at the highlights or say I
• 54:07
  want to see offensive highlights and and
• 54:09
  you get a 15minute video and that'll
• 54:11
  give you an idea of what kind of offense
• 54:12
  I think you're going to have. Now he he
• 54:14
  he brought in a quarterback and the
• 54:16
  quarterback was outstanding. He'll have,
• 54:18
  but I'm saying you get him a quarterback
• 54:20
  that he's got that could be dual threat.
• 54:22
  He had a he had a dual threat
• 54:23
  quarterback there at at USF. He'll want
• 54:26
  that dual threat quarterback. Uh, but
• 54:28
  I'd say if you got a great defensive
• 54:29
  coordinator, and DJ Durkin will be the
• 54:32
  first guy I think of, but don't think if
• 54:33
  DJ got a job somewhere and you couldn't
• 54:36
  keep him, I I would think he knows that
• 54:38
  he's got to bring in a great defensive
• 54:40
  coordinator. Uh, and then two, do you
• 54:42
  have a veteran quarterback or a
• 54:43
  quarterback that you can win with? and
• 54:45
  we see what happens when you don't. When
• 54:47
  you don't, you're right,
• 54:48
  >> you got problems. But when you do, you
• 54:50
  got chances. And I think Auburn's got
• 54:52
  two. If they can, and I think Ashen
• 54:54
  right now is the most polished for one
• 54:56
  more year, but you got to look at the
• 54:58
  way it's going to go down the road for
• 55:00
  those two guys. And then my third thing
• 55:02
  is, do I have a kicker that's going to
• 55:04
  because you're going to be a lot of
• 55:04
  play. If you're going to turn this thing
• 55:06
  around quickly, you're going to have to
• 55:08
  win close ball games. And your kicker is
• 55:10
  pretty accurate. you know, I know he was
• 55:11
  sick and he he overcame a lot of
• 55:13
  difficulties and I think he's getting
• 55:15
  his length back, his distance back, you
• 55:17
  know, but he is very accurate. Uh I
• 55:20
  think he was what 27 of 30 or he was he
• 55:22
  was he made all but three this year. Did
• 55:24
  a pretty good job. Uh but I think that's
• 55:27
  those are those are those are some
• 55:29
  quarterback and a kicker and then a
• 55:31
  defensive coordinator. Uh and then see
• 55:33
  what you got to fill in with the with
• 55:34
  the with the portal and all that you can
• 55:36
  fill in pretty good. Uh because I I
• 55:40
  think in today's game there's nothing
• 55:42
  that says you can't I mean when you're
• 55:43
  five and seven almost six and six and
• 55:45
  going to a bowl it's not you're not far
• 55:48
  from there. And when Alabama sitting
• 55:49
  there looking at a playoff team there
• 55:52
  you played you statistically you played
• 55:55
  them you know lights out just couldn't
• 55:57
  get the couldn't couldn't get the win in
• 55:59
  that football game you know.
• 56:00
  >> Well and the other thing is you know I
• 56:02
  talked to a couple of guys at Oklahoma
• 56:03
  and
• 56:04
  >> one thing that stood out to me was I
• 56:06
  said well how good is Auburn? They said,
• 56:08
  "Well, they're about like us." Well, OK,
• 56:11
  we're pretty similar. And Oklahoma found
• 56:13
  a way to win 10 games, maybe more, and
• 56:15
  Auburn found a way to lose seven.
• 56:17
  >> Um,
• 56:18
  >> and
• 56:19
  >> well, and that's a good that's a good
• 56:21
  point. I think Auburn was experiencing
• 56:23
  more quarterback difficulties
• 56:25
  >> early on, you know, right or wrong, but
• 56:28
  that's a fact was and and that things
• 56:30
  weren't clicking. Now, you can, you
• 56:32
  know, and I'm not gonna jump all over
• 56:34
  you, but whatever was going on with him
• 56:36
  and the quarterback and together that
• 56:38
  running the offense, it wasn't clicking
• 56:41
  and see at at uh Oklahoma, it was
• 56:44
  clicking some. You know, he got hurt
• 56:46
  >> and they had to win completely with
• 56:48
  defense. And I'll be honest with you, I
• 56:50
  don't think Oklahoma can get through the
• 56:51
  postseason because I don't think they
• 56:52
  have enough offense. I don't think
• 56:54
  they're good enough. I think the
• 56:55
  quarterback is good, but he's not a true
• 56:57
  dual threat. He'll pick up some tough
• 56:59
  yardage, but he's not a true dual threat
• 57:01
  quarterback in my mind. And as I watched
• 57:04
  that game against Texas, I said that
• 57:06
  doesn't scare people enough. You know,
• 57:08
  when break contain and outrun people and
• 57:10
  make people miss and all those things,
• 57:12
  he's just a good So, now I'll say and
• 57:14
  and I hate to to compliment Alabama,
• 57:17
  their quarterback looked more athletic
• 57:18
  than I thought he would be. He he looked
• 57:20
  pretty dang he looked pretty dang
• 57:21
  athletic uh running the football. Uh and
• 57:25
  uh credit to him. Um, but I think
• 57:27
  Auburn's got the got the answer as well
• 57:30
  uh on that. But Oklahoma did they won.
• 57:33
  You're right. They won with a defense
• 57:35
  that was very similar to uh u to
• 57:38
  Auburn's and and and they may have been
• 57:40
  a little better. I don't know if they
• 57:41
  are, but they're pretty dang good, you
• 57:43
  know.
• 57:43
  >> And they lost they they had a bad year
• 57:45
  last year at the five and seven, I
• 57:46
  believe. So,
• 57:47
  >> yes.
• 57:47
  >> Um
• 57:48
  >> well, they had the they had the same
• 57:50
  quarterback problem that we had this
• 57:51
  year. Uh but but again I think you can
• 57:54
  see I don't care where you are if you
• 57:56
  can see uh what happens when you lose
• 57:58
  your quarterback. Texas Tech is a great
• 58:00
  football team. Uh I mean Houston talked
• 58:02
  about it but they lost their quarterback
• 58:04
  one game. They lost Arizona State. I
• 58:05
  think they lost their quarterback got
• 58:07
  hurt and they played their backup and
• 58:08
  he's pretty good but he's not as good as
• 58:10
  their starter you know and they lost the
• 58:12
  football game or they would be
• 58:13
  undefeated you know. Virginia lost a
• 58:16
  late game because uh uh Chandler Morris
• 58:18
  uh uh Chad Morris's son got hurt,
• 58:20
  couldn't play and they lost that game
• 58:22
  and they've been and they won every got
• 58:24
  him back, they won. And it's not like
• 58:27
  you don't have two quarterbacks, but
• 58:28
  your one is usually better than the two
• 58:30
  or he wouldn't be one, you know, and
• 58:33
  it's more limited what you do. And
• 58:35
  there's an old saying in football that
• 58:37
  if you got more than one quarterback,
• 58:38
  you don't have a quarterback. But that's
• 58:41
  not entirely true because you do, but
• 58:43
  you might have two that are perfectly
• 58:44
  ready. You don't have two that are ready
• 58:47
  to go out there and win it all. And I
• 58:49
  think you could probably say that about
• 58:50
  most everybody, whether it be Indiana or
• 58:52
  Ohio State or whoever. Uh you're going
• 58:55
  to be a little bit more limited if you
• 58:56
  lose that starter. And and so uh uh I
• 59:00
  think you got to make sure you've got a
• 59:01
  quarterback there that can do that. So,
• 59:03
  it should be uh it should be pretty dang
• 59:05
  interesting when it comes to uh uh the u
• 59:08
  uh uh what the Gorsuch next moves. I saw
• 59:14
  a a a YouTube podcast, just a YouTube uh
• 59:17
  uh video of him flying into Auburn.
• 59:21
  >> Yeah. and and it made me think of how
• 59:23
  big how what he must feel because you're
• 59:25
  in I mean I remember coming from Sanford
• 59:28
  into Auburn and just being a part of
• 59:30
  that and uh and telling my brother Tommy
• 59:32
  who was on my staff I said God I got
• 59:35
  Tommy I can you can just cover for me I
• 59:37
  gota I got to drive to Birmingham get
• 59:39
  some things closed up it's going to take
• 59:40
  me you know all day and he said what do
• 59:43
  you mean you got to drive to Birmingham
• 59:44
  I said well yeah I got to get I got to
• 59:46
  get back over there and so I can get
• 59:47
  everything here done that I have you
• 59:49
  know it done not not done there. He
• 59:51
  says, he says, "Jerry, you don't drive.
• 59:53
  You got a plane." I said, "What?" He
• 59:54
  said, "You got a plane." Now, that I
• 59:57
  said, "Oh, I do."
• 59:59
  Because although my dad was a head coach
• 1:00:01
  at Florida State, I had never I had
• 1:00:03
  built my worked my way up and I never
• 1:00:05
  had a plane and I could get to
• 1:00:06
  Birmingham in about 20 minutes and be
• 1:00:09
  right back at Auburn. But, as I looked
• 1:00:11
  at the new coach come in uh uh at
• 1:00:14
  Auburn, Auburn's changed a lot. They
• 1:00:16
  don't have one plane that's a King Air
• 1:00:18
  anymore. They've got some citations and
• 1:00:20
  jets and uh and a runway that'll land
• 1:00:23
  them. You know, we had to if we ever if
• 1:00:25
  we ever flew on a jet, we had to fly
• 1:00:26
  into Columbus. We couldn't fly into
• 1:00:27
  Auburn back then. It was not the runway
• 1:00:30
  wasn't long enough. And uh and I can
• 1:00:34
  still remember recruiting nights when
• 1:00:35
  we'd come in at 12 or 1:00 from
• 1:00:37
  recruiting in Mississippi or or Florida
• 1:00:41
  and it was foggy and we we couldn't find
• 1:00:43
  the runway. We we'd go real low and
• 1:00:46
  because there's no hills, there's no
• 1:00:48
  mountains, so you can fly a little bit
• 1:00:50
  lower in the fog at Auburn. And we'd fly
• 1:00:52
  down low and we'd see, oh, there's a
• 1:00:54
  stadium. And we always knew the
• 1:00:55
  stadium's there. We know that the
• 1:00:57
  airport must be over there. But we
• 1:00:59
  couldn't never find it. And we would fly
• 1:01:02
  around a couple of times. I think, let's
• 1:01:03
  just go to Columbus, please. So, let's
• 1:01:05
  just go to Columbus. And uh but it was
• 1:01:07
  kind of neat seeing the new coach come
• 1:01:08
  in. And uh uh I really thought Auburn
• 1:01:11
  would win Saturday night. I really did.
• 1:01:14
  There was such an enthusiasm at the uh
• 1:01:18
  uh uh at at their the last two games.
• 1:01:20
  Such an enthusiasm and excitement and
• 1:01:22
  the players played like that. They
• 1:01:25
  played with incredible emotion uh
• 1:01:27
  physical and and got after it. They
• 1:01:30
  really got after, you know, I saw
• 1:01:33
  something on on Twitter last night and
• 1:01:34
  it said that that uh you know, I guess
• 1:01:37
  there's some truth in this that no fan
• 1:01:39
  base gives no fan base in America gives
• 1:01:41
  more and gets less back than all
• 1:01:44
  than Auburn.
• 1:01:44
  >> Well, in five years, that's five losing
• 1:01:47
  seasons. And I'm gonna tell you right
• 1:01:48
  now, if if if Kayla Debor thought he
• 1:01:52
  knew what it was like to play Auburn in
• 1:01:53
  Auburn, he didn't know till he was there
• 1:01:55
  because it was it was it was you could
• 1:01:57
  see it on TV. It was intimidating. It
• 1:02:00
  was impressive. It was nonstop. Um and
• 1:02:04
  uh it was making a it was it was a
• 1:02:06
  factor in the football game. And uh and
• 1:02:09
  uh I know I know Nick Sabin says it's
• 1:02:12
  haunted, but in a in a in a way that's a
• 1:02:14
  compliment and that it's it's a unique
• 1:02:17
  place and you better be ready to face a
• 1:02:19
  lot of things. And uh uh they used to
• 1:02:21
  say that about LSU when you played LSU
• 1:02:23
  at night there and and I and that they
• 1:02:26
  were haunted. I think actually it was
• 1:02:28
  because they had a they had a fan up in
• 1:02:30
  the stands that would blow a whistle
• 1:02:31
  every time there was a critical play. Uh
• 1:02:33
  and they lied about it not being true,
• 1:02:35
  but that's true. They had we lost to him
• 1:02:38
  one time. It was somebody in that stands
• 1:02:40
  >> 95 or I remember I forget
• 1:02:42
  >> it was 95 90 93 did 95 because that was
• 1:02:46
  that was when we were on the one yard
• 1:02:47
  line and Pat Nicks dropped back into the
• 1:02:49
  end zone to throw just a quick pass and
• 1:02:51
  the somebody blew a whistle in the in
• 1:02:53
  the endzone in the stands and all the
• 1:02:55
  linemen stopped and he got sacked. Uh
• 1:02:58
  but the official said we didn't blow a
• 1:02:59
  whistle you know and and so uh uh and we
• 1:03:02
  lost the game like 13 to nine. We lost
• 1:03:04
  it like 13 to nine or something like
• 1:03:06
  that.
• 1:03:06
  >> That same night the announcer I guess
• 1:03:08
  Jared Donardo was the coach and and they
• 1:03:10
  were they were getting you know they
• 1:03:11
  were back to being pretty good and I
• 1:03:12
  remember the announcer all night you
• 1:03:14
  know Cecil Cecil diesel and the magic is
• 1:03:16
  back. The magic is back.
• 1:03:19
  >> Well they got the magic is it's not it's
• 1:03:21
  not haunted. It's it's a whistle. Uh but
• 1:03:23
  anyway that that was a great atmosphere
• 1:03:25
  at Auburn uh uh Saturday night. And uh
• 1:03:29
  but before we go, let's there's some
• 1:03:31
  other huge hires in the conference. Did
• 1:03:34
  we did we hit the Lane Keifin deal? I
• 1:03:36
  you know, and I you know, Lane Kein is
• 1:03:38
  an outstanding coach. He's done I mean
• 1:03:39
  he he's become an outstanding coach
• 1:03:41
  whether he was or was not. There was
• 1:03:43
  something about him that made some
• 1:03:45
  pretty big programs hire him when he was
• 1:03:46
  real young and he flopped on a lot of
• 1:03:49
  those uh uh Oakland Raiders. Uh
• 1:03:52
  Tennessee, he left he he went seven and
• 1:03:54
  six and walked on them to go to Southern
• 1:03:56
  Cow and that's not a great year. And
• 1:03:58
  then he walked and then Southern Cal
• 1:04:00
  fired him and uh um and then I think
• 1:04:02
  even Nick Sabin fired him for getting
• 1:04:04
  too involved in the FAU job before the
• 1:04:08
  the SEC championship or the playoffs. I
• 1:04:10
  don't remember if it was which one it
• 1:04:12
  was. I played against him, but but uh I
• 1:04:15
  I don't think I I think Lane knew all
• 1:04:17
  alone when he was leaving. I mean, we I
• 1:04:19
  mean, looking at the situation, I felt
• 1:04:21
  like if he was staying, there was an
• 1:04:23
  earlier time to tell them he was staying
• 1:04:25
  if he knew he was staying. And I think
• 1:04:27
  so. I think he knew he was leaving.
• 1:04:29
  >> Well, he he probably did. And you know,
• 1:04:31
  you look at the situation at USC. I
• 1:04:33
  mean, you mentioned uh you know, I won't
• 1:04:34
  say it on the air, but a mutual friend
• 1:04:36
  of ours uh was out there and he said I
• 1:04:38
  said, "Well, what do you think about
• 1:04:39
  Ke?" He said, "You know, this is after
• 1:04:40
  he got fired at at uh at USC." And he
• 1:04:43
  said, you know, he said, I I
• 1:04:46
  he said, if if the if the guy's goal was
• 1:04:49
  to make everybody in the building from
• 1:04:50
  the secretaries to the players to the
• 1:04:52
  coaches to the boosters to the AD, he
• 1:04:55
  said everybody in the building hated
• 1:04:56
  him. And
• 1:04:58
  so I I I don't that that was not the
• 1:05:00
  case at Old Miss. Um and I don't think
• 1:05:03
  >> Well, he was younger. Yeah. And let's
• 1:05:04
  And I'm gonna give give him some credit.
• 1:05:06
  I mean, younger uh didn't know how to
• 1:05:09
  probably handle himself as well. I'm
• 1:05:11
  giving I u but I but I'll say this it
• 1:05:15
  got all the all the talk because he did
• 1:05:18
  a documentary about how his life has
• 1:05:20
  changed and how Mississippi Oxford made
• 1:05:22
  a difference in his life and it was his
• 1:05:26
  family was better the kid relationship
• 1:05:27
  he was better all these things were
• 1:05:29
  better and all along I think he said hey
• 1:05:32
  heck with this I'm bolting and I think
• 1:05:34
  to me I think Houston said it or we both
• 1:05:37
  felt it sometimes the the best job comes
• 1:05:40
  around at the wrong time
• 1:05:42
  >> and you just don't take it. Sometimes
• 1:05:44
  the best job out there doesn't come at
• 1:05:47
  the right time. So, you don't take it
• 1:05:50
  because there's a right way to do things
• 1:05:52
  and there's a wrong way to do things.
• 1:05:54
  >> And I just think that was the wrong way
• 1:05:56
  to do things. I think uh uh considering
• 1:06:00
  if and I imagine wondering how he felt
• 1:06:03
  when he went to FAU, would he ever get
• 1:06:06
  back in the big time again? I I just
• 1:06:08
  would I I'll never get back in the big
• 1:06:10
  time again or maybe it's over, you know,
• 1:06:11
  I'm just going to do the, you know, um
• 1:06:14
  and then Old Miss gave him a chance. And
• 1:06:16
  I think uh I heard that on somebody's
• 1:06:18
  podcast the other day. But regardless,
• 1:06:20
  he is at LSU and I live amongst the uh
• 1:06:23
  LSU Tigers. There's other Tigers. Uh and
• 1:06:27
  uh uh so I've been to Auburn where the
• 1:06:29
  real Tigers are and I've been to Clemson
• 1:06:31
  coaching where the real Death Valley is.
• 1:06:34
  Uh now I won't say that. I think LSU had
• 1:06:36
  the death valley before uh uh Clemson
• 1:06:39
  did. Uh but I'll be honest with you, you
• 1:06:41
  got to be careful what you ask for. You
• 1:06:43
  just might get it because when he steps
• 1:06:45
  into LSU, it's a different it's
• 1:06:47
  different now.
• 1:06:48
  >> It's a different place. Uh and their
• 1:06:51
  fans uh and expectations there are huge
• 1:06:57
  huge. And if you're not going to and and
• 1:07:00
  at Old Miss, they're not as huge. And
• 1:07:03
  you can have a year or two that are
• 1:07:05
  eight, nine wins and and not and not
• 1:07:08
  worry about your job security,
• 1:07:11
  >> but it won't take very long.
• 1:07:13
  >> LSU guy who who had been there, you
• 1:07:16
  know, the previous three years, won 29
• 1:07:18
  games. I mean, his average
• 1:07:19
  >> Yeah. And his season wasn't necessarily
• 1:07:21
  lousy when he when he lost when when
• 1:07:23
  they fired him, he still could have
• 1:07:25
  pulled off a decent season. It wasn't
• 1:07:26
  going to be what they wanted. But they
• 1:07:28
  like Penn State, they decided that
• 1:07:30
  there's only one thing you got. you got
• 1:07:32
  to win the SEC or go to the playoffs.
• 1:07:34
  And he was heading a different
• 1:07:35
  direction. But anyway, uh uh that's kind
• 1:07:38
  of what Lane wanted. And I I really
• 1:07:40
  think I'll be honest with you, uh and I
• 1:07:43
  don't say this because because to be
• 1:07:45
  critical, but I'll say it because I I
• 1:07:47
  I'm a football coach. I think Lane I
• 1:07:49
  think it's important to Lane to be the
• 1:07:50
  highest paid coach in the country. I
• 1:07:52
  think that's important. And LSU got
• 1:07:54
  making the highest paid coach in the
• 1:07:55
  country. And I don't know if Miss would
• 1:07:56
  not have, but I don't think but they
• 1:07:59
  still would have been miss in his mind.
• 1:08:00
  it still would have been this is the
• 1:08:02
  this was my step in the right direction.
• 1:08:05
  This was my stepping stone job. Uh and
• 1:08:09
  uh uh and it lasted longer than he
• 1:08:11
  probably thought it would last. Uh but
• 1:08:13
  they won and so they benefited from it
• 1:08:16
  and so hopefully they'll uh u and then
• 1:08:19
  they named their defensive coordinator
• 1:08:20
  their head coach I believe uh
• 1:08:22
  >> who also worked for Sabin.
• 1:08:24
  >> Yeah. Right. who also worked for Sabin
• 1:08:26
  and uh um and he'll just have to make
• 1:08:28
  sure he gets an offense that can do it
• 1:08:30
  because that's that's the key in that
• 1:08:31
  situation is that Old Miss uh with an
• 1:08:35
  you can't be average on one side of the
• 1:08:36
  ball anymore. Oklahoma got did an
• 1:08:38
  incredible job of being okay on offense
• 1:08:41
  uh but not great, but I don't think it's
• 1:08:43
  going to go very far through the
• 1:08:44
  playoffs. You know, I don't believe
• 1:08:46
  Oklahoma's one-sided football team is
• 1:08:48
  going to go very far. And but he could
• 1:08:50
  be the national he could be the SEC
• 1:08:52
  coach of the year. uh or or I mean for
• 1:08:55
  what the job that he did do, you know.
• 1:08:57
  >> Well, and it's and the other thing is I
• 1:08:59
  think it sounded like yesterday that
• 1:09:00
  most of the staff if not all of them are
• 1:09:02
  going to coach through the playoff and
• 1:09:03
  then you know Charlie Weiss Jr. um
• 1:09:05
  >> he left
• 1:09:06
  >> is the well he I think he's going but
• 1:09:09
  >> um they're going to keep him there like
• 1:09:10
  he's leaving but but he I think he's
• 1:09:12
  going to stay through the playoff and
• 1:09:13
  but Miss was in was enforcing 200%
• 1:09:16
  buyouts and so I think he's got a a
• 1:09:19
  seven figure buyout to leave Old Miss.
• 1:09:21
  Um, so it's going to be interesting to
• 1:09:23
  see. I mean, if if LSU is able to I
• 1:09:25
  mean, and not able. I mean, if LSU is
• 1:09:27
  going to pony up that kind of money. Um,
• 1:09:29
  and I'm guessing they will if they're
• 1:09:31
  they're spend if they're giving K.
• 1:09:33
  >> Oh, they are. I I would say without a
• 1:09:34
  doubt that was decided in the in the in
• 1:09:37
  the meetings that weren't supposed to be
• 1:09:38
  going on.
• 1:09:39
  >> Yeah.
• 1:09:39
  >> That was that was just because I don't
• 1:09:41
  think uh Lane was calling the plays.
• 1:09:43
  He's a pretty good offensive coach, but
• 1:09:45
  he's obviously watching the game plan
• 1:09:47
  sheet, but Charlie Weiss is calling the
• 1:09:49
  plays. Uh, and so he's going to pay
• 1:09:52
  whatever he has to pay. That that was a
• 1:09:53
  part of the negotiations, I would
• 1:09:54
  imagine. But I would I would have
• 1:09:56
  thought that if if if if Charlie was
• 1:09:58
  going, they would say, "Go ahead and go
• 1:10:00
  now." But but I don't know if they can
• 1:10:02
  afford to. But I'm just saying is uh at
• 1:10:04
  some point it's for the same reason that
• 1:10:06
  that Lane had to move on. If you've
• 1:10:08
  taken another job, then you need to move
• 1:10:10
  on. Uh but I don't know, you know, I
• 1:10:13
  don't know that they've got another guy
• 1:10:14
  that can call. Yeah,
• 1:10:15
  >> I think the AD said yesterday, at least
• 1:10:17
  I think I read that that he was going to
• 1:10:19
  stay that the whole offensive staff was
• 1:10:20
  gonna everybody was going to stay
• 1:10:22
  through the playoff and then, you know,
• 1:10:24
  I it's a tough situation. I I
• 1:10:26
  >> Yes. I I mean, well, I'm I'm not I'm not
• 1:10:29
  opposed to those guys doing it. I mean,
• 1:10:31
  to me, that that would try to help the
• 1:10:32
  players. Somewhere on the line, you got
• 1:10:34
  to think about the players,
• 1:10:35
  >> you know, and uh uh and I think that
• 1:10:37
  would be trying to do the best you can
• 1:10:39
  for the players, you know. Uh, and uh, I
• 1:10:43
  know I learned something from my father
• 1:10:44
  very early in my career. When you have a
• 1:10:46
  player that's a star, I mean, he and he
• 1:10:49
  is so good, he helps your team win. If
• 1:10:52
  he gets in a little trouble and you can
• 1:10:53
  punish him without kicking him off the
• 1:10:55
  team. You when you kick him off the
• 1:10:58
  team, unless you he just beyond he he
• 1:11:00
  can't be corrected. He can't be saved.
• 1:11:03
  Uh, you probably hurt your entire team.
• 1:11:05
  You know, if it's a mistake and you can
• 1:11:07
  run him stadium steps and you can
• 1:11:09
  punish, you don't need to talk about it
• 1:11:11
  publicly, but be careful that you uh
• 1:11:14
  that you make a decision that will hurt
• 1:11:16
  other people on the team. Uh when you
• 1:11:18
  can publicly punish somebody or make a
• 1:11:20
  decision, you know, uh my dad had a
• 1:11:22
  court had a and we'll we'll get going
• 1:11:24
  after this. maybe uh uh Janikowski, the
• 1:11:27
  the the field goal kicker that was a
• 1:11:29
  first round draft pick from Poland who
• 1:11:32
  he could kick at 50 yards with right or
• 1:11:33
  left foot, but and he went first but he
• 1:11:37
  got he got caught caught cutting curfew
• 1:11:40
  the night before the national
• 1:11:41
  championship game in in Florida at the
• 1:11:44
  Orange Bowl, I think. uh maybe the night
• 1:11:46
  before the night of the game, you know,
• 1:11:47
  and and and the press heard the press
• 1:11:50
  heard about it and they said, "Oh, now
• 1:11:51
  are you going to punish uh Dan
• 1:11:53
  Janikowski? Uh what are you gonna do?
• 1:11:55
  Are you going is he going to kick him
• 1:11:56
  off the team or or make him go home?" He
• 1:11:59
  says, "No." I said, "If he said, if
• 1:12:00
  y'all don't know it, he's Polish. He's
• 1:12:02
  under international law. Under
• 1:12:04
  international rules, we don't have to do
• 1:12:06
  that." And he said, and then that was
• 1:12:09
  it. That was his answer. He's under
• 1:12:10
  international rule. In other words,
• 1:12:12
  we'll we'll take care of that on our own
• 1:12:14
  and we don't need to be kicking out
• 1:12:15
  getting rid of the the best kicker in
• 1:12:17
  America when the players loved him
• 1:12:18
  anyway. But anyway, that being said, who
• 1:12:20
  else is out there? Any other job before
• 1:12:21
  we get going? Uh I don't want to keep
• 1:12:23
  everybody too long, but any other
• 1:12:25
  interesting summer end up going to
• 1:12:27
  Florida.
• 1:12:28
  >> Summer went to Florida. Stoops got fired
• 1:12:30
  last night. I saw his tube Scott and and
• 1:12:32
  that lo the last two losses were not
• 1:12:34
  good you know and um I don't know that
• 1:12:37
  you can
• 1:12:38
  >> make it until Louisville and
• 1:12:40
  >> I said I thought he might make it until
• 1:12:42
  >> yeah until the Louisville game it was so
• 1:12:44
  ugly and that's in instate rival and it
• 1:12:46
  was just not going to couldn't get past
• 1:12:49
  that and and he'll be and he's got a
• 1:12:51
  huge buyout
• 1:12:52
  >> so he's not you know he's it's it and
• 1:12:54
  sometimes it goes that far it's hard to
• 1:12:57
  turn that thing around you know you get
• 1:12:59
  two years that have been pretty South,
• 1:13:01
  then the next year is going to be it's
• 1:13:02
  hard to get guys out of the portal. It's
• 1:13:05
  hard to keep guys on your team. It's
• 1:13:07
  hard to keep coaches on your staff
• 1:13:08
  because they're worried about they
• 1:13:09
  better get a job while they can. And so
• 1:13:12
  uh he did a great job there and uh uh
• 1:13:15
  and so they'll get a change there. Some
• 1:13:17
  are all going to Florida. I will say I
• 1:13:19
  thought some would go to Auburn only
• 1:13:20
  because I and I wasn't listening to
• 1:13:22
  anybody, but I tried to put two and two
• 1:13:24
  together from Alabama. Uh wife went to
• 1:13:28
  school here. uh fits Auburn
• 1:13:31
  personalitywise more than at Florida.
• 1:13:34
  >> But uh when he when when u and then Lane
• 1:13:37
  Kein, I said, "Well, his personality
• 1:13:39
  fits Florida." You know, he just he's
• 1:13:40
  got that Spurer uh type of personality.
• 1:13:44
  Had some ties to Florida. Uh but uh uh
• 1:13:48
  that's why you almost have to sit and
• 1:13:50
  wait and say, "We'll see what happens on
• 1:13:51
  this thing, you know." So uh uh that'll
• 1:13:54
  be interesting. And who else do we do we
• 1:13:56
  got that anybody? And then uh Arkansas
• 1:13:58
  named, we talked about that with
• 1:13:59
  Houston, they named Silver Silver
• 1:14:01
  Silverfield at Memphis. Looks to be a
• 1:14:03
  pretty good hire for them. I mean, he
• 1:14:05
  beat them, did a good job at Memphis,
• 1:14:07
  and it looked to be a good hire.
• 1:14:10
  Florida State is retaining and I, you
• 1:14:13
  know, having so many family ties to
• 1:14:14
  Florida State, that one is just getting
• 1:14:17
  uglier and uglier because uh um Mike
• 1:14:21
  Norll, the the losses have been so bad.
• 1:14:25
  If you look at his postgame press
• 1:14:26
  conferences, it's a defeated man.
• 1:14:28
  >> Yeah.
• 1:14:28
  >> It's a it's it's a defeated personality.
• 1:14:31
  It's hard for him to stand up there.
• 1:14:33
  Huh.
• 1:14:33
  >> He looks like Freeze at the end.
• 1:14:35
  >> Yeah. Well, he and Freeze both it and I
• 1:14:37
  say this out of respect.
• 1:14:40
  Hughes probably been as relaxed as he's
• 1:14:43
  been in a long time because he was sick.
• 1:14:45
  He didn't wasn't going well. He really
• 1:14:47
  didn't have any answers. Uh and now him
• 1:14:49
  is he can lip sit back and say it's over
• 1:14:51
  and it'll get better. the days will get
• 1:14:53
  better as they go, you know, and we'll
• 1:14:55
  see how that goes. But, uh, uh, at at
• 1:14:58
  Florida State, they they're prolonging
• 1:14:59
  the situation, and I can't imagine how
• 1:15:02
  fast the players will leave, the
• 1:15:03
  assistant coaches will leave, or the
• 1:15:06
  school is talking about, and I I was
• 1:15:08
  going to mention this to Houston. Who
• 1:15:10
  picks your G this GM deal? You got to be
• 1:15:12
  careful who's running the show. You need
• 1:15:14
  to make sure the head coach, he's going
• 1:15:16
  to be fired for not winning. He better
• 1:15:18
  have he better run the show. He better
• 1:15:20
  decide which NIO guys are going for. Uh
• 1:15:23
  and there better be people behind the
• 1:15:24
  scenes telling him he has enough, but he
• 1:15:27
  better you better stay involved. That's
• 1:15:28
  to me that's just recruiting. Uh and so
• 1:15:31
  everybody's hiring a GM now. Uh and and
• 1:15:34
  if that guy's just giving the head coach
• 1:15:36
  good information, giving him the best
• 1:15:38
  possible information, I think that's
• 1:15:40
  good. if their school is making
• 1:15:42
  decisions for the head coach, you got a
• 1:15:45
  disjointed situation that you got to
• 1:15:47
  really watch out for where this guy
• 1:15:49
  decides who you're bringing in. This guy
• 1:15:50
  decides whether you keep the defensive
• 1:15:52
  coaches or you can't really do that. I
• 1:15:55
  don't believe yet and have the loyalty
• 1:15:57
  and the uh the the the type of
• 1:15:59
  continuity that you need to have in a
• 1:16:01
  coaching staff that loyalty as hard as
• 1:16:04
  this is to understand loyalty in a
• 1:16:07
  coaching staff is to the head coach that
• 1:16:10
  to the guy that hire it's not to the
• 1:16:11
  school secondly to the school. It's to
• 1:16:13
  the guy that hired you because there are
• 1:16:15
  different people that run things
• 1:16:17
  differently and you need to be loyal to
• 1:16:20
  the coach that hired you and to the
• 1:16:22
  style that he wants. uh and the things
• 1:16:24
  that he wants done and that's very very
• 1:16:26
  important. Uh
• 1:16:27
  >> and people don't realize, you know, when
• 1:16:29
  we got to Florida, we we had there were
• 1:16:31
  two coaches that Spurer didn't bring
• 1:16:33
  with him. Um and we were we had to keep
• 1:16:35
  them whether Ron wanted to or not.
• 1:16:37
  >> Um we kept most of the, you know, all
• 1:16:40
  the recruiting office, trainers,
• 1:16:41
  managers, all those things, they stayed
• 1:16:43
  in place. We had no control over any.
• 1:16:45
  And when they fired Ron, they didn't
• 1:16:47
  fire anybody else except me.
• 1:16:49
  >> They called me down the hall and they
• 1:16:50
  said, "Hey, look, you know, we're we're
• 1:16:52
  we're firing you." Nobody, not John,
• 1:16:54
  coach. Nobody got fired. They called me
• 1:16:56
  down the hall said, "Hey, we're letting
• 1:16:58
  you go because you're too loyal to the
• 1:16:59
  head coach." I said, "Well, if I'm
• 1:17:00
  getting fired, being too loyal, I guess
• 1:17:02
  that's
• 1:17:03
  >> that's what you got to be." Yeah. No,
• 1:17:04
  that's exactly right. I uh that's what
• 1:17:06
  you got to be got to be. But but again,
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  uh but if you got retained by the next
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  guy, you would have been just as loyal
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  to the next guy because your loyalty
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  goes to the guy that hires you. And I
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  think that's that's very important. So,
• 1:17:18
  it'll be interesting how how that goes.
• 1:17:20
  So anyway, uh good good week of football
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  left. We I don't know what time I have
• 1:17:25
  I've lost track of time because we
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  started a little bit uh u how long have
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  we been on here?
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  >> We've been near almost an hour and 20
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  minutes. We probably need
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  >> Well, we've probably been a little long.
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  People get tired of hearing us there,
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  but we can pick it up next week because
• 1:17:37
  we've got the playoffs, the postseason.
• 1:17:39
  Uh we'll see. We'll have more
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  discussions on some of these coaching
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  changes that have been made and we'll
• 1:17:44
  know a little bit more about the Auburn
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  coaching situation, I would imagine, in
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  regard to their staff uh next time we
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  talk.
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  >> No doubt. And thanks to everybody for
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