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Elon Musk (2020) - Life, Mars and Humanity's Future · The Joe Rogan Recap

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  Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap. Great to be back.
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  Today, we're taking a fascinating deep dive into Joe
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  Rogan Experience hashtag 1470, featuring Elon Musk.
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  That was quite the conversation. Absolutely.
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  We're using the YouTube transcript from Powerful JRE,
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  and our mission, as always, is to pull out the most compelling
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  insights for you, our listener. Cutting through, you know, the
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  hours of talk to get to the surprising facts and a clear
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  understanding. Exactly.
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  We'll hit everything from Musk's newborn son.
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  That unique name? XA. 8A12.
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  Right, and his thoughts on having a kid during these, well,
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  weird times. Also, his views on AI, selling
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  his stuff. Neuralink, it's a lot, it really
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  is. It connects the personal with
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  these huge futuristic visions. So let's dive in.
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  OK, so starting with the baby born May the 4th.
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  May the fourth be with him. Yeah, right.
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  And the name XAA 12 Musk broke. It down.
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  Yeah. The a is pronounced ash.
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  And a 12 is after the Archangel 12, which he called the
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  precursor to the Sr. 71. The coolest plane ever, in his
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  words. And he's right about the
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  history, too. The Sr. 71 came out of ACIA
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  program called Archangel. So there's layers there.
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  Layers. Yeah, history, tech, it's all
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  packed in. But what about having a kid
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  right now? He seemed almost more
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  appreciative. Yeah, he suggested that maybe
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  being older, having it happen during this global craziness, it
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  made him value it more. He said something about seeing
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  kids differently now, like little love packages.
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  Little love bugs? Yeah, a change from how he might
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  have viewed them before. That personal side, it kind of
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  leads into his thinking about intelligence, doesn't it?
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  AI and the brain. It does seem connected.
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  He talked about spending time on AI neural Nets.
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  Defining A neural net simply as a net of neurons.
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  And calling humans the original gangster of the neural net,
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  which is a very Musk way to put. It definitely.
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  So is AI AI development trying to copy the brain exactly?
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  Well, he used that submarine analogy right?
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  A sub doesn't swim like a fish. Meaning AI doesn't have to think
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  exactly like a human brain to be intelligent.
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  Exactly. But he also pointed out that
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  fundamentally, AI neural Nets and our brains neural Nets, they
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  share things. Like layers of neurons.
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  Layers of neurons, Yeah. And back propagation, that
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  crucial learning mechanism where the network adjusts based on
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  errors. OK, so similarities in the
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  learning process even if the overall structure isn't
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  identical? Precisely.
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  It's mimicking aspects of brain development, but it's also it's
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  own thing. Let's shift gears a bit.
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  Selling his stuff, houses, possessions.
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  Right, a pretty big move wanting fewer material things.
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  You said they weigh you down. And are an attack vector, which
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  is interesting framing. Very.
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  So the plan is to rent, keep only sentimental things, yeah.
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  Rent. Keep things with real meaning,
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  like Gene Wilder's old house. He wanted to preserve that.
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  And a couple of Tesla's, he said for testing.
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  Right. For product testing, yeah, but
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  mostly shedding the physical assets.
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  He also talked about the word billionaire becoming like a
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  pejorative. He framed his wealth differently
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  as organizing people to make better products, better
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  services. Contrasting it with just
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  allocating capital like Warren Buffett, which he finds less
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  interesting apparently. Yeah, he really emphasized
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  making things. Yeah, manufacturing.
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  Worried the US puts too much talent into finance and law?
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  Seems like it. He thinks the pandemic kind of
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  underscored how important actually producing physical
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  goods is. And the houses, it was a gradual
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  thing, realizing he just wasn't using them.
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  Pretty much except for the Gene Wilder house, which he
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  specifically wanted to save from being torn down.
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  But didn't he buy some properties because of privacy
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  issues initially? He did mention that, yeah, an
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  interesting twist. The need for privacy led to more
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  property, which he now sees as baggage.
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  And the dream house idea? Sort of.
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  Faded. It evolved, yeah, into
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  prioritizing Mars. Mars versus a house, OK.
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  It came down to time allocation, he said.
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  Where does he put his energy? Rockets, Sustainable energy,
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  Those are the big goals. Makes sense.
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  SpaceX and Tesla are the main focus.
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  Boring Company, Neuralink, less of his brain cycles.
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  That's how we put it, yeah, Important, but not demanding the
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  same constant attention right now.
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  Which brings us neatly to Neuralink.
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  This is where it gets really sci-fi.
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  Absolutely. And the timeline he gave back
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  then? Yeah, less than a year for a
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  potential human implant. Wow and low rejection risk like
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  heart monitors. That was his comparison.
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  Yeah, deep brain stimulation devices, things already used.
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  He seemed confident. Describe the first version.
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  Again, not major surgery. No implanted flush with the
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  skull like an inch diameter hole.
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  Basically tiny threads inserted by a robot.
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  Exactly. Very carefully done.
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  Avoiding veins, Arteries. Super precise.
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  The potential applications restoring eyesight even without
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  an optic. Nerve that was mentioned, yeah,
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  Hearing to limb function for quadriplegics via a neural
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  shunt. Those were near term
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  possibilities, he discussed. But also cognitive stuff, fixing
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  brain injuries, epilepsy. Right Restoring speech after a
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  stroke may be helping with memory loss and Alzheimer's.
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  What's the mechanism? He described it as fixing broken
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  circuits in the brain, basically repairing or bypassing damaged
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  neural pathways. And the long term vision.
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  Full AI symbiosis, but optional. Optional.
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  Yes. He used that Doctor Manhattan
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  analogy. Once you have those abilities,
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  would you want to go back to being stupid?
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  A provocative way to put it. So this could fundamentally
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  change how we interact. That's the implication potential
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  for nonverbal communication. Universal Language.
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  Because compressing thoughts into words, you lose
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  information. Inevitably, yeah.
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  So that this could allow like recise super fast communication
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  mind to mind. Essentially, what does that do
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  to language as we know it? Hard to say right?
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  But he's clear the near term focus is medical solving brain
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  injuries. But that timeline for maybe not
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  needing to talk 5 to 10 years best.
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  Case that was his speculation, yeah, with accelerated
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  development, it's mind bending. Leading to thoughts about future
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  humans looking like, you know, classic aliens.
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  Big heads, less muffle. He threw that out there.
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  Yeah. If we communicate non verbally,
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  maybe mouths become less necessary over evolutionary
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  time. Speculation, obviously.
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  And saving your brain state like a video game save recalling full
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  sensory memories. That concept came up, which then
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  touches on simulation theory. Is reality even, you know, real
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  in the way we think? Leading to the ultimate
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  question, what is consciousness? Right from quarks to sentient
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  hydrogen, as he put it. It's a huge philosophical
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  question. Definitely, and that sort of
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  brings us to the more immediate fragility he sees in
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  civilization, especially highlighted by COVID-19.
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  Yeah, the pandemic was a big topic.
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  You'd seen it unfolding in China before it really hit the US
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  hard. And his take was that the
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  initial death rate estimates were too high.
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  Significantly too high, he thought.
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  Maybe an order of magnitude less than Early WHO figures.
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  And that it hit specific groups harder, older people, those with
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  comorbidities. That was his observation, yes.
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  He also questioned if the lockdowns, once started, were
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  hard to adjust even as new data came in.
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  He mentioned weird situations like some hospitals being
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  overrun while others were half empty, furloughing staff.
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  And the impact of delaying other medical procedures, he felt that
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  wasn't being discussed enough. So a perception that the public
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  realization shifted that it wasn't quite as deadly overall
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  as first feared. That seemed to be his view
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  regarding masks and lockdowns. He was a bit nuanced.
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  Good hygiene, obviously good masks if you're sick like in
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  other countries. Right.
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  Even Joe. Maybe men got it more due to
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  worse hygiene. A bit tongue in cheek I think.
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  Silver Linings though. Better hygiene awareness, faster
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  future pandemic response. You saw potential positives,
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  Yeah, vaccine tech understanding virus is better, but his Free
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  America Now tweets caused a stir.
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  Yeah, he got pushed back. He called Twitter a meme war
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  zone, but also important for free expression.
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  He brought up a CNN ventilator story as an example of media he
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  found annoying. Finding unbiased news is tough,
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  he argued. Mention trusting individual
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  reporters more, like Matt Taibbi.
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  And so the whole COVID situation is showing how hard it is to
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  interpret data in real time. He definitely expressed concerns
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  about civil liberties being infringed by mandates.
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  A big theme for him individual choice versus government
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  compulsion and the economic damage from lockdowns.
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  His view seemed based on the low fatality rate he believed was
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  evident from China early on. Although he also questioned the
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  info from China and WHO. It's complex.
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  He leaned on Tesla's experience, too.
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  No deaths among thousands of employees in China.
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  That was a data point he found significant.
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  Yeah, he worried about the whole thing becoming politicized.
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  But stressed civil liberties above all.
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  Consistently yes, and noted things were moving towards
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  opening up anyway. His main plea seemed to be for
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  clearer data, right? Absolutely distinguished
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  diagnosed cases from symptomatic ones to clarify cause of death.
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  Was it COVID primary or incidental?
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  And he mentioned potential financial incentives for
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  hospitals to list deaths as COVID related.
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  Right, his argument was basically clear up the data
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  because the current picture might be inflating the numbers
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  and prolonging restrictions unnecessarily.
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  Adjusting to the reality of, in his view, lower mortality,
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  comparing it to flu smoking. Using metrics like life years
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  lost, noting the average age of death.
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  The focus, he argued, should be protecting the vulnerable, the
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  elderly, maybe even from family members with mild cases.
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  Right. He also touched on boosting
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  immunity. Vitamin C heat shock proteins.
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  You mentioned a study linking being overweight to worse COVID
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  outcomes. Which led to a tangent on diet
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  and exercise. Briefly, yeah.
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  Balancing enjoying food with longevity.
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  Portion control, Intermittent fasting, not eating late.
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  His own exercise lifting treadmill with shows.
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  Not a huge fan but does it? And his martial arts background?
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  Taekwondo, Karate, Judo, even a bit of BJJ.
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  Called Jiu Jitsu, a language with your body Plex Strategic.
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  Influenced by early M and A Royce Gracie, he has his kids
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  doing jiu jitsu now. OK, quick update on Tesla before
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  we wrap Roadster. Delayed a bit by COVID, he said.
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  Model Y ramp up Berlin, Shanghai Gigafactory, cyber truck.
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  Those are priorities. Roser's dessert, but it's
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  coming. Needs the Plaid powertrain
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  advanced batter. Two ingredients, yeah, yeah.
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  He also gave a shout out to Unplug Performance.
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  The aftermarket modifiers, No problem with them.
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  Plaid Model S details Nurburgring stuff Yeah, save for
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  the unveil, right? He also just raved about owning
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  a Tesla himself. Makes other cars feel stupid
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  even as old Porsche. Ludicrous.
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  Plus cheetah stance. The acceleration is baffling.
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  Faster than falling roller coaster on tap.
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  His descriptions were pretty vivid.
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  And the new Roadster will be even faster with unfair rocket
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  tech elements. That's the tease, Yeah.
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  Finally, the Cyber Truck window demo.
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  Ah yes, the steel ball incident. His take the sledgehammer hit
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  beforehand probably cracked it, which is why the ball caused
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  more damage, but it didn't go through.
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  Hindsight is 2020 should have thrown the ball first.
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  That's. What?
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  He admitted. Yeah.
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  Wow, OK, that really was a deep dive into a huge range of topics
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  with Elon Musk. From babies to brains to Mars to
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  pandemics, it covered incredible ground.
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  We hope digging into all that gave you, our listener, a much
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  clearer, more engaging picture of that whole conversation.
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  Yeah, distilling hours down to the core insights.
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  So what stood out most to you? What questions are still
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  rattling around in your head after hearing all this?
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  It's really just the beginning, isn't it?
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  Thinking about a future where tech blends with biology.
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  And how we handle huge challenges while protecting our
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  freedoms. Lots to ponder.
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  Well, thank you for joining us for this deep dive.
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  We look forward to unpacking more fascinating sources for you
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  next time on the Deep Dive.