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Why Everything Feels Off (And What You’re Missing) · Cannabis School

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  I'm Brandon. And I'm Jesse, we're cannabis
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  school. Having cannabis infused
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  conversations. With everyday people.
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  Cannabis companies. Celebrities.
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  And your mom? Welcome.
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  To the set I. Always have this feeling of, and
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  I don't know if you have it, because sometimes that's what
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  I've I've really enjoyed about about using cannabis or or
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  psilocybin is that you get this feeling that this is all
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  happened before, like civilization as it is right now,
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  but just in a different way. We tend to look at advanced is
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  like the update of the iPhone, you know what I mean?
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  Or like the new graphics card for whatever.
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  But when you think about advancement, like you think
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  about us as humans right now. This kind of goes along with the
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  thing I've been hearing a lot about is the lack of purpose
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  that people feel in their lives that are a lot of depression
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  comes from, you know, I feel that is that you have a lack of
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  purpose. And so, but a long time ago,
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  man, I, I just feel like, you know, the way that you'll have a
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  lot of mainstream archaeology, you'll just say, Nope, it's been
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  this old, right? Or it was 5000, then it went to
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  9000, then 12,000, and then they just found an organ last year, a
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  stone dwelling totally made. It was over 20,000 years ago
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  because they were able to find even blood preserved enough
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  blood preserved on the site from their tools and their weapons.
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  We'll see. But I've also seen documentaries
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  where they've seen tools and things and footprints that
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  match, like our footprints, not the Neanderthals.
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  Whatever's about ours that are hundreds of thousands of years
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  old or millions of years old potentially.
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  Like there's these things that it's the dating is everywhere
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  depending on whose perspective or what method they think is
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  correct or what you. Know, right, and and we change
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  like, you know, the idea that there's like a race that was
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  like predominant or in one area or another to mean that's
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  completely ridiculous. And in many aspects because you
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  think about it every single different race where they are on
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  a map like this is something I've thought about.
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  Like you get really stoned and going, dude, what if all of us
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  were planted here in different areas from different areas of of
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  you know, whatever Galaxy dimensions, whatever, where
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  we're all brought here because, you know, for I mean us to say
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  like, yeah, we are all human, right?
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  We all share like a certain DNA structure.
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  Oh yeah, 100%. Right.
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  Which the DNADNA to me is like, that's why for me my, my
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  argument would go towards design, that the, that
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  everything is all by design. The way it looks and the way it
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  fits together and the way that now scientists can actually
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  manipulate it based on the structure of the DNA, they can
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  change it, which is just wild to think about, right?
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  But the. Genome structure of the DNA
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  strand and. But I think they've done that
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  before. I think they've done all of that
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  before. I think of like, you know,
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  they'll talk about mythical creatures such as like a Griffin
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  or anything like that maybe. You know, it's funny.
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  So Addie is in mythology. It's cool.
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  Cool, cool, cool. And so we very, very first day
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  and I was like, you know, mythology is just kind of like
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  old religions. They're just because that's all
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  it is. It's like different religions in
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  the past that they're like, well, it's mythology because
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  look at all these creatures and these gods and all this stuff.
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  And I'm like, it's just old religion.
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  It's just stories from old religion.
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  But, and I thought about it and I was talking to Finn about this
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  because we discussed religion and history and all sorts of
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  stuff, but the concept of like even biblically a lot of people
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  are who are religious don't really study a lot of their.
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  Yeah, yeah, Doctrine, they don't.
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  And so it's like even looking at the Bible going, well, it talks
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  about these monsters and creatures and giants and the
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  Nephilim and all of these things.
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  And it's like maybe that beginning, that beginning part
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  of their biblical history or whatever is just the other part
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  of Zeus and all the other monsters and gods.
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  And they came down and had sex and created these.
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  And, and there are all these things that it's like, OK, well,
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  that's where Hercules and all these other stories came from
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  maybe. And, and maybe all it is, is
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  just one history of stories, followed by another one followed
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  by another. Like, well, but you gotta think
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  about, I mean, these people weren't just creative people,
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  like, creativity, yeah, but like, fantasy.
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  The monsters and the 8 the. No, I, I.
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  Griffin or whatever, like all of the half these stories just come
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  from other stories like the Bible or or mythology, you know
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  Well, yeah, religion that it was like.
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  I wonder if that's what a lot of it has just come through is
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  like, they look at the oldest religions before and it's like,
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  Oh, well, let's use these stories as like, yeah, stories
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  and create. Religions.
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  Heavens. There.
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  When you go back to those things, at those times over
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  there, religion is very different compared to what we
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  consider. Religion, it's always shifted
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  and it's, I mean, we have the worship of the sun and sun.
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  Gods, No, no, no, no, I'm not saying that.
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  But I mean, even even talking about they didn't see it as
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  religion. They didn't even have the
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  concept of religion. Most of them was just this is
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  just the way. This is just how we do things.
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  This is our culture. Yeah, but for understanding of
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  conversation, religion, yeah. Oh no, I know.
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  But I mean it's to say that they stated as religion over there.
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  Because you called it religion. No, I know.
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  But the, the here's the other thing though, and you have to
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  really look at it because why would these people just make up
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  stories? Because they are existing.
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  No, I mean, there's differences. We live in a, we live in a, a
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  first world. We live in a the.
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  Existence was existing. Ours is.
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  I'm bored and I don't feel like I have purpose because we're not
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  hunting, we're not building our home, we're not existing, we're
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  not doing all the stuff that it takes.
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  So yeah, I could see them coming up with stories for survival
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  purposes or entertainment or something for sitting around the
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  fire. I think those stories were
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  entertainment. I think some, yes.
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  I think just like most people. And based on what?
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  What do you base your ideas of stories on?
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  What do you think their? Stories.
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  A lot of those ones are based off.
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  There were very few, like, fiction writers during that
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  time. Yeah, there were.
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  You can have like. So what do you think the?
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  The. Majority of their stories were
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  told from then or for. Well, they're passed down one to
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  another, and I know the telephone game is a really great
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  way of going. Oh, that gets messed up.
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  You don't think they ever did stories for entertainment?
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  I think they did, but I don't think in those cases because
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  I'll tell you this one, because these aren't just.
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  Cases, religious cases, stories, or what cases?
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  Of well, what would you classify as religious?
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  Well, I don't know many stories, history that are passed down.
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  Really, really old ones that aren't.
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  Let me ask you this do you remember where you were?
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  On 9/11 yeah 100% Where in my history class in 9th grade.
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  What happened? What do you mean?
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  Do you remember what people were saying, what they were talking
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  about, how you felt? No, I don't remember the
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  conversation. Because you were just in shock
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  of that. Yeah, I was. 14 there was came
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  on on the news because they do morning announcements.
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  I remember being I just came out of my workstation at the
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  hospital and as I was walking out, somebody said no fucking
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  way. And I go into the day room with
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  all the inmates. Oh.
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  Yeah, because it was what was on the TV.
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  Well, we were like, oh, it all sounded like somebody
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  accidentally had flown like a biplane.
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  That's what I thought like a Cessna.
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  And I'm like, oh, some because there was a guy a long time ago,
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  like you think it was in Chicago.
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  He ran his biplane into the A building and I thought it was
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  the same thing. And I'm like, oh, man, that
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  sucks. And then as we were watching, we
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  saw the second one hit and you saw it was like a 747.
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  And when that hit everybody like, oh.
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  It just froze. But there was, we had a, we had
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  an inmate there who was Muslim and he started saying we've been
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  saying we're going to do this. And dah dah dah dah started
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  screaming and I had to come between my staff and him because
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  some of them I'm like, he's crazy guys.
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  That's a whole different stop. See, I was in a high school in
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  Provo, like freshman year of high school.
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  Everyone was just in complete shock of like what in the fuck
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  just happened because it shows like they put it on of like, oh,
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  there's a fire. The tower just got hit and is
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  it's literally watching it everyone, I mean half the
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  nation, half the world sees the second plane come in and just
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  smash into the second one. It was like what in the fuck
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  just happened? And that's imprinted, you know,
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  just like World War 2, like what started that World War One.
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  I mean, you know, when you look at.
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  Art, I'm sure everyone. Historical art done about that
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  one like the closest cause we've we've kind of like romanticized
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  the middle mid ages, Middle Ages and stuff like that.
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  I've never thought about 'cause we, we always talk about 911.
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  Yeah, my grandma's in her 90s. I've never gone.
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  Grandma, where were you when the atomic bomb dropped?
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  Where were you in Pearl Harbor? Happened?
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  What? What was that moment that was
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  going on? Or.
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  Like wait, when she, when was she born?
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  Let's see she's she'd be in 30s, early 30s.
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  She made the mid 30s, she's mid 1930s.
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  So she'd be 8, maybe nine. Yeah, and she might still
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  remember what happened, but. It usually, I mean the people
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  knew about it. I don't know how, because news
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  wasn't the same. It wasn't like there was ATV, It
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  wasn't like all this stuff. They might have had radio.
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  They had radio. How often is that radio show
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  coming on? It was.
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  It came on it, it would come on in the middle of a program like
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  there was like, you know, they would go BBBBBBBBBBB, you know,
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  I just. Wonder is, is radio programming
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  then like an all day thing? Where was it like certain times
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  of the day that it would come? Out a lot of times people what
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  they would do is after work like a lot of people did during like
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  the 80s is like after dinner you'd watch TV yeah right you
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  get the TV going 80s and 90s cause because you had programs
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  at that time it wasn't instantaneous it.
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  Was it came on at a certain time and if you wanted to watch your
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  3045 minutes of whatever show, you had to be there to watch it
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  'cause it was before TiVo or DVR.
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  And Yep, I miss that. I actually miss that because it
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  your life doesn't become consumed with just gluttony
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  because that's where I see streaming is is just gluttonous.
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  It's hard not to watch the next episode, you know?
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  Well, it it's the was it a documentary?
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  There was something I was walking watching and it was
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  talking about like social medias and the invention of all of
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  these small changes. And it was, you know, the
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  invention of streaming, the invention of the continuous
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  scroll, because Facebook and that used to be Scroll down to a
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  page and then you'd have to click next.
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  Yep, I remember that now that continuous scroll has created
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  this like never ending, never ending thing of like, no, no,
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  no, we want your time, leave it here versus like, hey, Are you
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  sure that you want to give your time?
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  Are you sure you want to keep doing this?
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  Do you want to keep? Are you still watching?
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  Like, but you think about Netflix, how many hours of time
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  does it have to be before it pops up and goes, are you still
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  watching? Like that's a lot of our life
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  that we just waste in some. Yeah, we choose.
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  But like, I was thinking about it with who was it?
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  One of my kids was talking about something and and they're like,
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  yeah, these these people are, oh, it was some show talking
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  about like Waldorf Academy and other stuff.
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  And it was talking about like education levels and how they
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  didn't introduce electronics into the students into until
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  like a certain age. And prior to that their kids
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  were way way smarter because they use their brain in a whole
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  different way. And then they introduce not even
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  computers in that until later in 10/12/13 because they figure it
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  out how to think and learn and do on their own without all of
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  this electric learning shit that we don't need but makes it
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  easier. It's comfortable.
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  It is. It's very comfortable.
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  And so they come out with like these really highly developed,
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  intelligent, smart kids. And I'm like, how much of our
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  kids time, like what could they have learned or done or created
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  just even in this like you talk about foe and when he gets into
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  his creativity where he's just playing with his games and his
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  monster, like his wrestlers and doing that and he's making the
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  noises and talking voices and doing all that, What would he do
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  if there was never that electronic side of like, what
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  would he build and create? Oh, no, that's what he does most
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  of the time. Like he'll it, it's not just
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  playing the games. Like that's one of the things
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  that I love about my son. Is that how?
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  Much more our our kids and that would do if they had that and
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  how much we would do how much time we like get stolen from us
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  of just like. Wow.
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  I wouldn't say it's stolen. I think we, we, we give it up.
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  Yeah, it's, but it's there's a point that we yes, but it's
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  like, Oh no, no, don't do that. No like.
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  Still your choice. But we still choose it like it's
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  so I say stolen in a way of like it is still stealing our time,
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  but it's a shitty choice of like we're choosing that.
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  Oh yeah, no, I, I totally, I, I totally agree with you on that.
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  But like, how many hours? I think about it sometimes,
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  like, oh, how much? If I put in this game, man, that
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  was fun. I got a lot of time out of that.
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  And I'm like, what? Just in my mind, sometimes I'm
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  like, man, that's like a year's worth of work.
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  And that's like that. What would what if I didn't do
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  that? If I had created or built
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  something, what would I have built in that time?
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  Like, what would that version of Brandon Ben, if I wasn't this
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  version of Brandon? And it's just this curiosity
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  sometime of like, I wonder what the world would create if so
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  many of us weren't just stuck in our coffin rectangles just
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  staring at it constantly, you know, sucked into choosing to
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  give our time to it. But like 1020 years ago, is that
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  a choice you would have chosen? Hey, I'm gonna give up.
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  If you looked at your screen time of like how many hours a
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  day we pull on it, go back 20 years, would you ever have
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  imagined? Hey, I'm going to stare at my
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  phone for five hours a day. No.
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  Fuck, he's stupid. I think we're, we're going to be
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  closer to the precipice of, of how entertainment changes in our
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  lives. I really feel that we're getting
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  close to that one because. Hope it changes.
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  Well, but we, you know, I, I get what you're saying there, you
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  know, and I, I totally understand that where that that
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  concept comes from stealing our time.
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  Oh, no, no, I mean right now. Oh, I know, entertainment's
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  pretty lame. The IT is shows the game like
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  there's not a lot of great. No, not just creativity that's
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  out. That's what I like.
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  I like creativity and exactly what you state.
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  And I think that's what people are getting to that point where
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  they're so bored with that. Like that's why podcast do so
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  well, because it's an opinion piece and they get to enjoy or
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  engage in the conversation, which is human connection.
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  Just open connection, right? We don't our purpose of our
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  podcast is not to for you to buy shit.
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  Like if we like shit we we say hey, you sure shit?
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  And the volcano is amazing. We've been using that quite a
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  bit lately. Yeah.
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  Stores and Bickel codes below. Check them out.
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  Check it out. I need to get AI need to get a
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  crafty Yeah, but you know what I mean.
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  It's the idea we choose that and I I see that what I'm saying
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  like ancient civilizations. Why I showed that is that I
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  think it came to that exact same point of complete focus into
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  you, me. It's all about me, not about the
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  existence of everybody together as a collective.
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  Because you, you'd look at it like you take it anywhere in
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  life right now where like recently I helped somebody meet
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  somebody else for no reason other than, Oh, you should meet
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  each other because you have similar goals.
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  And they were immediately like, what, what can I do for you?
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  And I'm like, oh, it's not necessary.
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  I did that for the kindness of it.
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  And then now that person is always like, hey, this is going
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  on. Hey, this is going on because we
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  we want to give each other that same feeling that we just
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  received, right? It sounds like manipulation, but
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  what it is is it's emotional ping pong because you're just
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  going back and forth, same volley back.
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  It's like, oh hey, look, I got you, but it's not because
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  there's a quid pro quo. No, it's for the fun, it's for
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  the engagement, the feeling for. The When you truly care and love
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  your neighbor as yourself, anyone is your neighbor.
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  Yeah, it's just like, oh, hey, I want to see you succeed and
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  happy and there's a person or a thing or a business that
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  actually might be perfect for that.
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  And I don't it's not because God, I need to see myself better
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  than that. It's you're you're talking to me
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  and I know that there's this thing that I've got that.
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  It's like when I hear people go, man, I heard of this.
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  Have you tried cannabis? Have you thought about using
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  even a balm or like all these things that it's simple stuff
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  where? Thing I ask people, you ever
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  thought about using cannabis? Yeah, and it's just like, OK,
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  how many times are we doing that same thing?
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  Why are we gatekeeping happiness or helping someone else going,
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  hey, well, what's in it for me to make you help, like to get
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  further in your life? There needs to be something in
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  it for me. Well, that's why I, I, you know,
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  when I look at it, it's just the whole concept of, of being able
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  to feel like it's, it's not a big deal.
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  Like we don't desire things when we are connecting with other
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  people. I don't even want to say serving
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  other people because it shouldn't feel like service.
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  It just should feel like it's a the thing to do.
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  Yeah. Wouldn't that be cool where you
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  just did nice things? Because not because you're going
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  to get something from it, not because somebody's going to
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  recognize it just because you can.
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  Yeah, Like why not? That's just it.
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  I like you said, it's not really service.
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  I think it's service in the mindset of like, hey, this isn't
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  normal. Why?
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  Why isn't it just our normal of like, hey, I see this person, I
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  have this person, I'm talking to this person.
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  There's a million times in our lives that someone happens.
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  And yeah, maybe it's unsolicited advice, but then it's hey, can I
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  do you mind, Can Ioffer you something like asking if we can
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  give them assistance or whatever it is in that moment.
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  But like, it shouldn't be a service.
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  It should just be. I'm not providing anything.
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  I'm just. This is how we exist.
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  Yeah, I'm just existing. I'm just going, hey, there's a
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  something that you might not have heard of or you didn't
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  maybe know this, and I'm going to share my knowledge the same
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  way I hope that you might share yours.
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  Well, it's like asking somebody to take like a 50 LB bag and go
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  up a hill by themselves and they're like, yeah, I'm going to
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  go up the hill. Well, what if somebody else
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  helps you? Well, I mean, it could make it a
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  little cumbersome, but no, I would make it easier on me.
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  Now the hills even higher than you imagined.
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  Or what if there's a cart and there's four people and each
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  person has a corner of that and the bags in the middle?
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  Instead of 1 strong one behind because the rest of us become
• 19:42
  more reliant upon them. Then we don't build the strength
• 19:45
  to push that cart. And so when once this starts to
• 19:48
  get more about individualized, then we stop pulling our own
• 19:52
  weight. What do you think it was that
• 19:54
  pushed us so far from community and building community and not
• 19:59
  into just our egos and the self and like?
• 20:03
  What would, what is, what is money symbolize now to do
• 20:07
  whatever you want when you want, Yeah.
• 20:10
  It's the I I am here on the pole and you're you're here.
• 20:14
  Yeah. I drive this car and you drive
• 20:16
  this car. I have this finishing in my
• 20:19
  house. Oh, I have this phone.
• 20:20
  I've got this TV. You know, I and it's like, why,
• 20:23
  why is that make you feel like you are better than Why?
• 20:27
  Why do I feel like that makes me lesser than?
• 20:32
  Yeah, exactly. You know, there's a movie.
• 20:34
  It's, it's a random movie. There's a really good quote and
• 20:37
  I'll, I'll send it to you later on.
• 20:38
  But the way I look at money is the level of fuck you boss is
• 20:42
  being a Dick to me and I, I just don't really care to be able to
• 20:45
  take this type of abuse. Fuck you.
• 20:47
  I have enough money then I can say fuck you.
• 20:50
  I don't have to do whatever you tell me to do.
• 20:53
  I do what I want to do and what I want to do is be super in this
• 20:59
  and and I don't want this to be misconstrued, but I want to be
• 21:02
  an influence of good. That's it.
• 21:04
  Not for the purpose of getting recognition for good, but just
• 21:08
  making because. Because what else are you going
• 21:10
  to be like if you're not an influence for good?
• 21:13
  What are you influencing? Yeah, because the you're
• 21:15
  influencing someone around you no matter what.
• 21:18
  Yeah, 100. Percent is you're constantly
• 21:20
  going to be influencing someone. So are you are you influencing
• 21:24
  good or evil or like what side or indifference or like hatred,
• 21:29
  like what is it that you teach? And so it's I would, like you
• 21:35
  said, I would much rather just for me, I feel better when I'm
• 21:39
  happy, when I'm treating other people's the way I want to be
• 21:43
  treated like a nice person, not like an asshole where I'm like,
• 21:47
  oh shit, hey, that. I'm sorry.
• 21:49
  That was my shortcoming. I wasn't in my best state there.
• 21:53
  Like if we could always try and do that and fuck.
• 21:56
  Like that's why I smoke weed, because human existence is
• 22:00
  tough. You know, one of the things that
• 22:01
  I love about weed is that because I live a very Christ
• 22:05
  centered life, you know, not as a status.
• 22:08
  And I, I hope that people know that I, I don't carry as a
• 22:11
  status. I carry it as a, as, as a, a
• 22:15
  moment of gratitude, because what it's taught me is to love
• 22:18
  other people like I truly live that I don't, I don't care about
• 22:22
  all the other, you know, optics of any type of religion.
• 22:26
  I, I think all of them are so flawed.
• 22:28
  And at the same time, it's a good starting point to go with.
• 22:32
  But then over time, if it becomes all that makes of you, I
• 22:37
  think it's shallow. I think it's materialistic in
• 22:40
  its own way. You know, what I thought about
• 22:42
  from my talks with Finn the other day is that a lot of the
• 22:46
  religions, maybe they all started because there's similar
• 22:49
  threads of stories, of course of them is that I'm sure from the
• 22:53
  start the intent was good. Hopefully, hopefully.
• 22:58
  And that eventually one person came in and was like, oh, what
• 23:02
  if we just manipulated this little bit and it was like, OK,
• 23:06
  that's that's fine. Like somehow that one got
• 23:08
  through and then another person came in and was like, ah, well,
• 23:10
  what if we manipulate just for this little bit, someone else
• 23:13
  came in and it just continued and continued and continued
• 23:17
  until it became a whole different thing that was ever
• 23:21
  intended from the start. And it becomes at the end a
• 23:24
  whole way disfigured machine at the end that you're like, what
• 23:30
  is that? It's so far separated from the
• 23:32
  initial story. And it's so sad to see.
• 23:35
  And it's like, wait, but I don't know if there can be that large
• 23:39
  of an organization of type without that happening like that
• 23:43
  big of a machine without one cog here or.
• 23:46
  There you. Know we need to change this or
• 23:49
  change this or change this or do this or what.
• 23:51
  I like this better. This resonates with me like.
• 23:55
  I think it comes from comfort. I mean, I always land on that
• 23:57
  one, But you think about it because before you know, the way
• 24:01
  that the perception of religion say, let I, I, I like to
• 24:05
  reference the New Testament, right?
• 24:07
  Christ didn't show up to say the church is right.
• 24:10
  He said that the church is wrong.
• 24:12
  All of them are wrong because this is all you should do.
• 24:16
  And then what did his followers do?
• 24:18
  Well after and the church, No, they didn't create a church.
• 24:23
  People after created a church. The only thing they did was they
• 24:26
  went around and served and when. Right then.
• 24:29
  Yeah, right. Then it was others Well after
• 24:33
  the first four, the main the main stories of the apostles,
• 24:37
  right Mark, Luke, John. Yeah, I'm trying to think.
• 24:44
  It's been a long time since studying the rise of
• 24:49
  Christianity and Catholicism. No, yeah, but it's always seen
• 24:52
  because of the reason why. It's because it's so difficult
• 24:55
  when you think about those followers as and, and, and I'll
• 24:58
  finish this and and jump in, right.
• 25:01
  It's the those followers just lived as what they were taught.
• 25:05
  They didn't believe until he came back.
• 25:10
  That's what pushed the because they still didn't when he died,
• 25:14
  they went into hiding. They were terrified because they
• 25:17
  killed him and he promised them they'll kill you too.
• 25:21
  If you follow me, you'd they will kill you too.
• 25:24
  And they were like, oh shit, what?
• 25:26
  They were terrified. But then when they saw him and
• 25:28
  then when he left because he was there for 40 days after, they
• 25:33
  don't go into depth about that. A lot of it from that time.
• 25:36
  Definitely talks about it, yeah. And then other other people had
• 25:39
  talked about it, not just those individuals, because they
• 25:43
  weren't written by those individuals at that time.
• 25:45
  They were just followers, which actually kind of goes along with
• 25:48
  what Christ was doing in the 1st place.
• 25:50
  Christ didn't say write this down.
• 25:52
  You know what I mean? I think that the books are
• 25:54
  created based upon that one because they go, look, we talk
• 25:57
  about this all the time. We should probably write this
• 26:00
  down, but you didn't need to because it's not as difficult as
• 26:04
  a giant book. No, it's never that.
• 26:07
  Like the love your neighbor, love yourself, love God kind of
• 26:11
  idea but is the simplest concept.
• 26:16
  But even it it's also faith it it.
• 26:20
  My favorite character in the Old Testament is Joseph because this
• 26:23
  guy got fucked every which one? Technicolor Dreamcoat.
• 26:26
  Yeah, that one. But the.
• 26:28
  Sold them to Egypt. Yeah, because the, the whole
• 26:30
  thing, dude, it sucks because he's going along.
• 26:32
  He's he's the youngest brother at the time and he's always
• 26:36
  super nice and his dad loves him above all other his sons and he
• 26:42
  had him when he was old and the other brothers who were older,
• 26:45
  they fucking hated him. They're just fucking Joseph
• 26:48
  always getting old it. Just makes me think of Nephi.
• 26:51
  So no. But this one's where they shove
• 26:53
  him into a pit, right? Oh yeah, totally.
• 26:55
  Just the whole yeah. But Nephi, everything worked out
• 26:58
  for him. Not this guy.
• 27:00
  What happens to him? They're like, they leave and
• 27:04
  they're like, we should probably go back in the car.
• 27:06
  We go back and then they see these Egyptian guys go by.
• 27:09
  They're like, Hey, you guys looking for a slave and then
• 27:11
  they sell them and then they take his, the, the coat that he
• 27:15
  had his father had made for him, dip it in blood and saying an
• 27:18
  animal got to him. So he's totally destroyed.
• 27:20
  What happens to him? He becomes a slave, but he's not
• 27:24
  only a slave, he's just really good.
• 27:26
  He, he reminds me of you. Joseph would be like you.
• 27:28
  He's very meticulous and loves to be on time.
• 27:32
  Like he's keep shit going. Dude.
• 27:34
  He's like an operations guy. He was like the best VP of
• 27:36
  operations, so much that the king who trusted him with
• 27:40
  everything, his wife was like, damn money bags over there
• 27:45
  looking good. And she's always, I, I was
• 27:47
  joking around with my son, 'cause he's like, what's so good
• 27:50
  about that story? So I started telling my version.
• 27:52
  And it's like every time Joseph walked past the King's wife,
• 27:56
  she'd be like, hey, let me get that Dick woman.
• 27:59
  Yeah, stop. And they come by and she like,
• 28:01
  cuts his balls and she's like. Like they write the story and
• 28:05
  it's there's so much stuff in those stories that you're like,
• 28:08
  do they? They glanced like everyone just
• 28:11
  glazed right over that. Do they know it?
• 28:13
  And it started. Dude, I love that.
• 28:15
  One like it's just so funny because you think about it and
• 28:18
  you're like, they talk about how little or think there's not
• 28:22
  anything in their Bible, but you go through or their stories.
• 28:25
  Oh, it's and it's the things you're like.
• 28:27
  Wait, what? Well, that's the thing.
• 28:29
  Like. I did.
• 28:29
  I just did. I read what I just I think I
• 28:31
  read. This is like, you know it, it
• 28:34
  gets so crazy where Joseph like keeps grabbing at him and then
• 28:37
  finally, dude, she she snakes like this fucking sash or
• 28:41
  something like that, a piece of cloth.
• 28:42
  And then he's like, stop it, OK, The king trust me and how he can
• 28:47
  keep trusting me if I'm fucking you.
• 28:49
  And he walks away in a huff. Right.
• 28:51
  She's like the Hebrew. He banged me and just left and I
• 28:55
  just grabbed this. Yeah, right.
• 28:57
  So he puts him in prison, right? He's in prison.
• 28:59
  He gets there, you're in prison. And the way that everybody talks
• 29:03
  about it, like the way I hear a lot of Mormons talk about it,
• 29:06
  like it was just super horrible. No, dude, this guy was like, he
• 29:10
  just, things just went his way. He gets down there and he's
• 29:13
  like, fuck. In case you guys didn't know the
• 29:15
  story of Joseph. No, this, this is the new
• 29:18
  version. And so he's down there and he's
• 29:20
  like, fuck. And then the guard goes, hey, I
• 29:22
  know you, you keep everything running really smooth.
• 29:25
  How would you like to help me run this jail?
• 29:27
  So he runs the jail and then these two guys get thrown in
• 29:30
  there, the the wine, the cupbearer and the Baker, and
• 29:35
  they start having these dreams. He interprets the dreams.
• 29:38
  He gets out. This guy keeps landing it to the
• 29:40
  point where I Fast forward it. He makes Egypt to where it's
• 29:45
  where it is at. They talk about him in the
• 29:48
  Egyptian holographics that they have written during that time.
• 29:51
  They talk about the foreigner or the Hebrew that saved Egypt and
• 29:57
  they found some statues recently that resemble him that no other
• 30:02
  statue. Look resemble a Jew.
• 30:04
  Well, it's different. Their hair is red, which is kind
• 30:07
  of crazy because you go back into ancient times, like when
• 30:09
  they find giants and stuff, they all have red hair, crazy stuff
• 30:13
  like that. So.
• 30:14
  So I just think that human existence isn't this 5000 and
• 30:18
  there's a timeline of all this other things, right?
• 30:21
  If anything, I, I would say this like if you go through the the
• 30:27
  Gospels of Christ, he talked in parables all the time to throw
• 30:32
  you off. So when they demanded what's
• 30:35
  going to happen, he gave them parables, he gave them stories
• 30:40
  to go. You figure out the meaning
• 30:42
  behind it and then you'll know. And the only thing that I've
• 30:46
  gathered from it is it doesn't matter about the future.
• 30:50
  It matters about now and what I'm doing to change how I am
• 30:54
  now. Like what you said, wouldn't it
• 30:56
  be great? What could we do to change it?
• 30:58
  It's a we start to make that change.
• 31:00
  And when we think about that intent, you stop drifting into
• 31:04
  there. I've I've noticed that the only
• 31:07
  time I play video games is with you or I got that new game
• 31:11
  Crimson Desert. It's a funny thing, dude.
• 31:13
  It allows you to be charitable in the game.
• 31:15
  There's poor people all throughout.
• 31:17
  That's wild. And you can just give them a
• 31:20
  penny and they go, oh, thank you, I'll do the same for you
• 31:22
  later. That's hilarious.
• 31:24
  And when you give it to one, they start to gather, they come
• 31:27
  towards you. And I was like, this is kind of
• 31:29
  cool. Like we talk about that, right?
• 31:31
  Just giving because you have. And I started giving.
• 31:36
  Even if I don't, and I don't do it because I'm going to get
• 31:39
  something in return, I do it because I know that I am going
• 31:44
  to be blessed by doing that for that person where maybe they'll
• 31:47
  do it for somebody else. Yeah.
• 31:49
  Well, it's, it's kind of like an you think about it all the time.
• 31:53
  How many times do we have a negative interaction and that
• 31:58
  negative interaction goes into another interaction and then
• 32:01
  another one. And it's like so that same exact
• 32:05
  thing happens with good. We can have.
• 32:08
  A good, happy, kind interaction. And not only is our next kind
• 32:13
  interaction better, so is that person.
• 32:15
  Oh yeah. And it's that pass it on of
• 32:18
  like, how many times do we walk through a parking lot, walk
• 32:21
  leaving Costco and someone's carrying a big thing or trying
• 32:24
  to load it in their car And we just keep walking, you know,
• 32:26
  versus just going, hey, I can grab the other side of this
• 32:29
  takes like half a second and we just put it in real quick.
• 32:33
  It's that, you know, mindset of, well, I'm driving and I got to
• 32:36
  be in first or I got to be up here because, well, you can't
• 32:39
  get in or you can't do this. And it's like, but traffic flows
• 32:43
  so much smoother if we all just go, oh, all right, cool.
• 32:46
  Well, we don't need to get up and slam on brakes.
• 32:48
  This guy's coming into traffic. Maybe I should go over a lane.
• 32:51
  I don't know. Fucking wild, right?
• 32:54
  Like simple things, you're like, all right, there is more than me
• 32:57
  in this existence. I can look at community.
• 33:00
  I can do these things to try and have a better existence, A
• 33:04
  happier existence. And like I feel better when I
• 33:08
  have good interactions or even if I'm like trying, if I don't
• 33:12
  feel like being happy or talkative or something, and I go
• 33:15
  out of my way and go, Oh no, I should, I should talk to the
• 33:18
  checker, like cashier, I should go through this instead of that
• 33:21
  one. Like I end up feeling better
• 33:24
  anyway because I chose to do that.
• 33:27
  And it's sometimes it's the uncomfortable thing because,
• 33:30
  well, we've been so used to going through this one or
• 33:33
  choosing not to talk to someone or go out and help someone or do
• 33:37
  this. Like it's getting out of that
• 33:38
  comfortable zone and going, hey, let's do something different.
• 33:41
  Let's find that change and make be the change, I guess.
• 33:44
  No very Yoda, right? We have to learn what we have
• 33:47
  learned because it's, we've learned that it's, it's we, we
• 33:52
  give the sense of safety by being able to communicate
• 33:56
  through the digital landscape because if we don't like it, we
• 34:01
  turn it off. But if it goes off in person,
• 34:06
  it's usually because we're too concerned about how we're
• 34:08
  perceived as opposed to just connecting with them, right?
• 34:12
  Like, and, and that's the thing, like we were taught even during
• 34:15
  when I was growing up, when you were growing up, is that you
• 34:17
  judge people based upon how they dressed or what acted or how,
• 34:23
  what they drove or what, how much money they had, right?
• 34:27
  When I was a kid like it didn't matter.
• 34:29
  Nope, no one gave a shit What Car your parents had or any of
• 34:32
  it like. Nobody was like, oh dude, like
• 34:36
  you rarely saw that. And if you saw a Corvette, you
• 34:38
  were like, whoa, that guy's got a lot of money because it but I.
• 34:43
  Don't think I ever even correlated it with money.
• 34:45
  I I would correlate it with money.
• 34:47
  Oh, that's a cool car. Yeah, yeah, no, when I saw a
• 34:50
  Lamborghini. Oh, a Lamborghini, Yeah.
• 34:52
  That no, but like a long time when I was a kid I saw a
• 34:54
  Lamborghini guntage. Just like.
• 34:56
  And I was just like, whoa, that looks like a like a science
• 34:59
  fiction. It was like a spaceship.
• 35:00
  Yeah, there was always 1A Lamborghini Gallardo.
• 35:03
  That would be worked almost right way.
• 35:06
  Classic skating. Oh yeah, at Tunex or whatever
• 35:09
  and I would drive past and I would see that or like a Ferrari
• 35:13
  once in a blue moon and was never like, Oh my God, that
• 35:16
  person's got to be so rich. It was like.
• 35:17
  That's a cool car. That is a cool car.
• 35:20
  Yeah, that's all I thought about when I was a kid too.
• 35:22
  That's a cool car. Yeah, I I think the money never.
• 35:25
  Mattered, it was never how much money do your parents make?
• 35:28
  Hey, how, how about this or what?
• 35:30
  None of that shit. Well.
• 35:32
  Even really rich people, like the only thing we had around
• 35:36
  there in the 80s, nineties was Lifestyles of the Rich and
• 35:39
  famous that came on TV and you got to see like this British
• 35:43
  dude touring these like random mansions.
• 35:47
  Like there wasn't everywhere. And then when you see like
• 35:50
  places in coastal California and in New York and they're full on
• 35:54
  giant homes of what? Like it doesn't make any sense
• 35:58
  to have a home that big and they go, well, it's to protect you.
• 36:02
  What? Because you probably it cost you
• 36:05
  more to upkeep that whole property than it does for you to
• 36:09
  just buy a much smaller one. Or if you want to be on your
• 36:12
  own, build a really nice smaller thing in the middle of fucking
• 36:16
  nowhere big. Property and just have.
• 36:18
  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't make
• 36:21
  sense, right? So it's this idea of when we try
• 36:24
  to get more than the other, we force isolation.
• 36:27
  It's like a, a friend of our, well, an individual we both know
• 36:31
  lost all of his money and he identified with money, 100% with
• 36:38
  money. And he, he gave that perception
• 36:41
  to everybody knowingly that he knew that people didn't like him
• 36:46
  for him. They liked him for his money.
• 36:48
  And so he used that as the glue for all of his relationships.
• 36:53
  Like he was dating a woman and she's like, oh, I really need I
• 36:57
  mean everybody's like, oh, she's amazing.
• 36:58
  I know who this woman is. I don't think she's that
• 37:00
  amazing. I think she's a con artist and
• 37:03
  she was getting 10,000 a month from him.
• 37:08
  And he has this like I got to save everybody feeling because
• 37:12
  he didn't feel enough purpose with all the money.
• 37:14
  He's making eight figures. Yeah, that's all.
• 37:17
  I mean, you saw his car, right? Nice little Beamer over there.
• 37:21
  But it was sad because only it was only his, like it was his
• 37:26
  cheapest car that he had. I mean it was just like that's
• 37:28
  all he said. But when he was filthy rich, he
• 37:31
  was fat as fuck. Unhappy.
• 37:33
  His wife hated him. Yeah, his whole life fell apart
• 37:37
  at the story of him eating in his kitchen, watching his kids
• 37:41
  play in Mexico, and he finished all their plates and nobody ate.
• 37:44
  And his wife watched him the whole time.
• 37:46
  And I'm thinking how she, what she said next was like, so much
• 37:50
  hatred towards him. You make me sick.
• 37:54
  Oh, if I know, I I eat for feelings and I never.
• 37:58
  I mean, what a wake up call. But you know, what did it do?
• 38:02
  What did it, what did it ended up with?
• 38:03
  Right? Who cares?
• 38:05
  He who has the most toys when he dies, wins.
• 38:08
  Yeah. How?
• 38:09
  Well, it was like Grandpa Holt when he died.
• 38:12
  And he's like, oh, well, you guys all have enough.
• 38:14
  I'm going to give it to the church now.
• 38:16
  And I'm like, what do you you could have done so much good
• 38:19
  with that. Yeah, give it to other
• 38:20
  organizations or like they don't need your money.
• 38:23
  A poor family, like there's a million things that it could
• 38:26
  have, could have lit up fire warm.
• 38:28
  Like, and that's what I would wish to do dude, like that you.
• 38:32
  Can't take it with you when you. You can't and that's why you,
• 38:35
  you have to prepare for those who are here.
• 38:37
  And that's why like now, like it's not just like getting like
• 38:40
  life insurance, stuff like that, but it's making choices
• 38:44
  throughout, like making relationships, I've noticed.
• 38:47
  Well, what's going to get you more money, having a great idea
• 38:50
  or having more friendships, more friendships because those
• 38:54
  friendships can introduce you to people to create your idea into
• 38:57
  a reality. Who knows?
• 38:59
  And when you're always seen as a person who's trying to help
• 39:03
  others enhance their reality, other people want to do the same
• 39:06
  for you. And that's where I like, I see
• 39:08
  opportunity everywhere where like even now with my job, I
• 39:13
  mean, you know, I'm, I'm in the in the Gray zone right now
• 39:17
  because it's not as easy as you would think.
• 39:20
  And it's not easy for anybody. And that's why it's so hard.
• 39:23
  That's why it's they, the risk is so high and I have another
• 39:28
  opportunity coming up and all I'm thinking about is don't
• 39:31
  think about this and money. Think about this and how you can
• 39:34
  actually impact people say this works.
• 39:37
  If this helps other people, that's what you should do.
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  So it's all I keep thinking about every day.
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  And I'm like, if it feels like it's going to help somebody,
• 39:44
  that's what you should do. Like, you know, Jordan will be
• 39:46
  like, Hey, I got this one company.
• 39:48
  I'm like, what do they do? Oh, they do lawn care.
• 39:50
  Not interested in doing anything with it.
• 39:51
  Dude, if you want to do it, great.
• 39:53
  I I don't want to write or create.
• 39:55
  They don't appreciate and all they care are about as their
• 39:58
  money. I don't give a shit about that.
• 40:00
  But if somebody's like, yeah, I'm trying to start this
• 40:02
  nonprofit, but I'm having a really hard time coming up with
• 40:05
  ideas. And I know I don't know anybody
• 40:07
  who does this. I'm like, I know people there.
• 40:09
  Let me make those introductions right away here.
• 40:11
  I'll text and make that introduction right now.
• 40:13
  And let me help you come up with something because I can, not
• 40:16
  because I get something for it. And when we're we start to do
• 40:20
  that like it's cool because everybody else starts joining in
• 40:23
  when they're around you. So you can be that influence of
• 40:26
  good not to be recognized as what would Jesse do or what
• 40:30
  would Brandon do? But more on the says, what would
• 40:32
  I do? And what I would do is I would
• 40:34
  be a decent fucking human being and help somebody regardless.
• 40:37
  I try to go out of my way now to not look for differences between
• 40:42
  me and you. I look for what is something
• 40:45
  that we can both agree on and that's being happy.
• 40:48
  That's it. I don't, I don't need to agree
• 40:50
  with a, a politic review point because that's somebody else's
• 40:53
  that convinced you enough to follow on to that.
• 40:56
  That's it. It's it's not your own original
• 40:59
  idea, your own original idea, but making sandcastles.
• 41:01
  When most of that is truly laughter, right?
• 41:05
  Not like, hey, this is really what I believe in and what I
• 41:08
  would want at the end of the day.
• 41:09
  It's more like, here's a situation we're in and we're
• 41:12
  both frustrated and we both feel helpless, so let's bitch and
• 41:15
  moan and. Yeah, and that's right.
• 41:16
  And individualism. And it's great to do that, but
• 41:19
  if there's no real purpose or agenda, like you don't get
• 41:24
  anywhere with it. There's no intent behind it of
• 41:26
  like hey I want to have this discussion because I really want
• 41:30
  to try and figure out a way to try and solve this.
• 41:33
  Well then. There's that.
• 41:34
  Is that a thing you can do, or is it just something that you're
• 41:38
  focusing on because it's everywhere and you're frustrated
• 41:40
  and stressed and it's, you know, it's hard to get your mind off
• 41:43
  of stuff. Well, and consumerism drives the
• 41:45
  individuality like into you know how much it's, I know that
• 41:49
  people go like, no, this is me as an individual.
• 41:51
  I totally get that. But a lot of times individualism
• 41:54
  leads you to loneliness because you're constantly just focused
• 41:58
  on what's negative in there instead of saying what makes me
• 42:01
  happy and what makes me happy is expressing myself like this.
• 42:05
  Cool. But when it becomes a point of
• 42:08
  contention and it's another side trying to focus their point of
• 42:11
  good, you just have to go. That's your viewpoint.
• 42:14
  That's totally fine. But I need to ask myself, is my
• 42:17
  viewpoint worth arguing about? Do I want, do I want a
• 42:21
  discrepancy between those or can I find commonality?
• 42:24
  It's like a lot of LDS people that I talked to over there.
• 42:27
  There's a lot of things that I don't agree with that at all and
• 42:31
  but I like them for who they are, not what, you know, the
• 42:35
  idea of how they pray to a deity, you know what I mean?
• 42:39
  It's my dad. I've learned.
• 42:40
  Hey, I just either will listen to his because I don't need to
• 42:45
  be, right? I don't need to.
• 42:48
  If I don't want to have the conversation, I don't need to
• 42:51
  push questions or statements that further that type of
• 42:54
  conversation, right? It's really easy to segue,
• 42:58
  change, move a conversation to something different.
• 43:00
  If I don't want to talk about it.
• 43:02
  I can even go, hey, I don't want to talk about this if I don't
• 43:06
  want to do it in a tactful way of just migrating the
• 43:08
  conversation elsewhere. That is always a choice.
• 43:11
  I don't have to choose to engage because it's all this ego of
• 43:15
  like, well, no, but this. And I'm like, what is this point
• 43:19
  that I'm trying to prove? Because in this moment, I know
• 43:22
  deep down if I really sit back and go shut the fuck up,
• 43:25
  Brandon, listen for a second. You're not going to convince him
• 43:28
  and he's not going to convince you.
• 43:30
  So what is the purpose of this conversation?
• 43:32
  Is it to get, is it for him to prove he's right?
• 43:35
  Is it for you to prove you're right?
• 43:37
  Because you both know you're not gonna do anything.
• 43:39
  So the other one's really not going to feel educated on the
• 43:42
  other side. So what is the purpose of that
• 43:44
  conversation there? Yeah.
• 43:46
  Am I gaining anything there? No.
• 43:48
  Is he gaining anything there? No.
• 43:50
  OK, well, let me talk about something that might have value
• 43:54
  or purpose for both of us that could be anything else.
• 43:58
  And it's really interesting because I found I have less
• 44:02
  argumentative conversations with my father because, well, both of
• 44:05
  us aren't going well. We're right.
• 44:07
  And let me teach you why when neither of us is going to listen
• 44:11
  and truly go, oh, OK, because he's never read anything I've
• 44:15
  read and I know who he is and he's not going to read anything
• 44:18
  I've read. And unfortunately.
• 44:21
  The fear of change, all the stuff.
• 44:22
  That he's read. I've already read and gone
• 44:24
  through, so there's no argument here that gets anywhere.
• 44:29
  I, I heard the best argument for it and I won't say the guys name
• 44:32
  over here because you know, people, I can't believe you.
• 44:34
  I, I look at all opinions and I found it interesting because it
• 44:38
  was. And I, he's an orthodox.
• 44:40
  Orthodox. He's a part of the Orthodoxy.
• 44:43
  So the Orthodox Church is very different.
• 44:46
  Like you have to apply to be in their church.
• 44:48
  You have to go through several different, you know, ceremonies
• 44:51
  or whatever like that. Like everybody's got their own
• 44:53
  thing, right? It's not just Mormons who have
• 44:56
  weird shit going on, right? Exactly signs and got a fist
• 44:59
  bump and. Yeah, dude, it, it, it, it
• 45:01
  literally is Dash. But yeah, kiss the darkest part
• 45:05
  of my ass, right? You know, right.
• 45:07
  But I mean, it's this. Sure, there's those ones too.
• 45:09
  Right, there's those, but man, I just lost what I was going to
• 45:12
  say. You're in.
• 45:16
  But the like what you said about your dad, man, it's always like,
• 45:20
  you know, I can choose how I want to, how I want to feel
• 45:24
  about this right now. You know, it's real easy to get
• 45:27
  on that cycle of being upset with somebody because they don't
• 45:30
  share the same viewpoint. Even if they're even in your
• 45:33
  viewpoint, they may be wrong. But then again, it's their
• 45:36
  viewpoint. It's not necessarily wrong.
• 45:38
  It's just their viewpoint. It can't be changed.
• 45:41
  The perception from the education and knowledge that
• 45:44
  they allow and. But it's, it's like the Mormons
• 45:48
  that you grew up with, the Mormons I grew up with, all I
• 45:50
  knew about them were they judged people constantly.
• 45:54
  And if you didn't live the lifestyle that they did, you
• 45:57
  weren't allowed to play with their children because their
• 45:59
  children could enhance their negativity.
• 46:02
  But then when they turned 19 at the time, you could go out and
• 46:06
  talk to non members to join, but you would only hang with them.
• 46:09
  They would only be their friend if they did that.
• 46:12
  It was like when I was in church just a little while ago, they
• 46:15
  were talking about, you know, we've got X amount of kids that
• 46:18
  aren't coming to this class Priest Corn, You know, we got to
• 46:21
  change this. We got to do something about it.
• 46:23
  And the other guy goes, well, what do you think guys we should
• 46:25
  do? And then he had all these
• 46:26
  cookies there that he brought for the boys and he goes bring
• 46:29
  up cookies. And I was really annoyed and I
• 46:31
  just. Always done.
• 46:33
  And I look at this kid, Aaron, and he's just kind of looking
• 46:35
  down. I said, hey, Aaron, would that
• 46:36
  do it for you? And he goes, what would that do
• 46:39
  it for you? I don't understand the question.
• 46:42
  If I brought you a cookie, would you think I care about you?
• 46:44
  And he goes, no, what would you think?
• 46:47
  I think it was pretty lame. And I'm like, cool.
• 46:50
  And I looked at the other guys. I'm like, is that what you
• 46:51
  don't? Is that how you feel?
• 46:53
  And the other kids like, yeah, I think it's pretty lame.
• 46:55
  I think it's shallow. And I'm like, cool, So you got
• 46:57
  some good thought here. And I said, let me ask you this
• 46:59
  question. What is the true meaning of
• 47:01
  brother? And they just sat there and I'm
• 47:04
  like, I'll wait. And this kid goes, well, that's
• 47:05
  actually pretty deep. Like why is it deep?
• 47:07
  Well, what do you mean by that? And I said, you know what a
• 47:09
  brother is? A brother is going to check in
• 47:12
  on you. They're going to care about you.
• 47:15
  They're going to look for ways that they can help you in any
• 47:17
  moment opportunity they can just because you're your family.
• 47:21
  And I said family doesn't come because you were born into one
• 47:24
  family is what you make of that's you.
• 47:27
  You can call it a tribe. I like to just call it the
• 47:30
  family because your family can be so big and so vast where that
• 47:34
  love is shared between everybody else, I said.
• 47:36
  So let me ask you, do you love these people?
• 47:39
  And if you don't, why don't you? Is it so finite that you can
• 47:44
  only give it to a few? Then I ask you right now, why
• 47:48
  are you even thinking I'm going on an LDS mission?
• 47:50
  If you don't love others, are you doing it because others are
• 47:53
  asking you what's expected of you?
• 47:56
  Or are you doing it because you truly want to serve?
• 47:58
  And if you answer in a way where you kind of wince, you're a
• 48:02
  liar. You are not my brother's keeper.
• 48:04
  To yourself. Yep.
• 48:06
  Yeah. And, dude, the Bishop.
• 48:08
  The Bishop's like looking at me like this.
• 48:10
  Like what? The fuck?
• 48:11
  But it's true. They've been doing cookies since
• 48:14
  I was young there. And it was like, oh, hey,
• 48:16
  there's this person, they're not active.
• 48:18
  Make them cookies. And it's it's exactly like you
• 48:21
  said. Well if it's your brother and
• 48:22
  I'm all thinking if it's someone I cared about this, they would
• 48:26
  already know. I would have this close
• 48:28
  conversation and a relationship with them.
• 48:30
  I would know why they're not coming to this class every week.
• 48:33
  Probably because they don't give a shit and if I gave a shit
• 48:36
  about them, I wouldn't be trying to get them to come to the
• 48:38
  class. I'd try and just be friends and
• 48:40
  show them my care and that I'm there for them through all the
• 48:43
  shit they're actually going through.
• 48:44
  Because that's what they need is the community, the family.
• 48:48
  Finn was talking about moving here and that's been one of his
• 48:50
  things was like, hey, I haven't been in real school in all of my
• 48:54
  high school. I'm kind of scared.
• 48:57
  What if no one likes me? And his boyfriend broke up with
• 49:00
  him and it was his first love ever and it was 2 years of this
• 49:05
  fucked hard that he dated and all of a sudden he's just like
• 49:10
  well maybe I'm just maybe my intent is to be alone.
• 49:13
  Maybe there isn't someone for me.
• 49:15
  And I'm like that's sad. No, like I'm sorry that you
• 49:20
  haven't lived with me or and I haven't shown you what it feels
• 49:24
  like to even have your father's love then, because that's on me
• 49:28
  that I haven't shown you that. That's a good point.
• 49:31
  Because if you don't understand what it's like to feel loved
• 49:34
  even from that, then that's like, I, I can't control their
• 49:38
  mom. That's not me, but me and my
• 49:41
  actions. And that they didn't feel that
• 49:44
  enough to feel like, hey, I'm worthy of love.
• 49:47
  And they've gone through a lot of shit in their life.
• 49:50
  But whatever, all these things. And it was like, no, let me help
• 49:53
  you find friends. And I was like, well, not
• 49:57
  friends, like a community. And I was like, well, it's not,
• 50:00
  it's not a community. It's like, it's, it's family.
• 50:03
  And that's what it is. All of us are just looking for
• 50:07
  our family truly are not like our blood that we're married
• 50:11
  into our kids or whatever. But the people that we that we
• 50:15
  love, that we care about, that care about us, that want to help
• 50:19
  see us succeed, that we want to see every like family.
• 50:23
  Yeah. Everyone's searching for that.
• 50:25
  And it's they're finding, trying to find it in religion or
• 50:29
  community groups or wherever. And I'm like, I had that
• 50:32
  realization of like, that's really all it is that all of us
• 50:35
  are searching for is just that family, that feeling of like the
• 50:38
  Hallmark movie that you saw growing up where everyone was
• 50:41
  happy and they felt loved and, and the kids saw like their dad
• 50:45
  just was like, Oh, I fucking love you.
• 50:47
  And they gave him a big hug and that kid felt supported and like
• 50:50
  everything. And we're like, man, how would
• 50:52
  that? Because the little kid inside of
• 50:54
  all of us that's like broken and fucked up is like wanting that
• 50:58
  our whole life. And just, you know, we all live
• 51:02
  in the lives that we live and have the families and that that
• 51:04
  we do. But then we all grow up hunting
• 51:07
  and searching for this, this family that just feels like
• 51:11
  that, that feels supportive and is always there and wants what's
• 51:13
  best for you and always just like checking in on you and just
• 51:17
  wanting to see you grow and be that.
• 51:20
  But like, not from this constant what we've known, which is so
• 51:25
  much of imperfection, which is human.
• 51:29
  Now you're you're bringing up something that's actually got me
• 51:31
  reflecting on recently. I've had a lot of like
• 51:33
  interactions with my oldest son. He's 19 now, and, you know, I
• 51:39
  start putting on expectations of him.
• 51:40
  I grew up like I find it, the differences between we.
• 51:44
  We grew up with similar fathers. Yeah.
• 51:47
  And fathers that grew up in the old world, fathers that believe
• 51:50
  that what defined your value was the work that you put in, not
• 51:53
  who you are and what you contribute to society.
• 51:56
  It's just. Quick to discipline with the
• 51:57
  hand. 100% real quick to discipline with the hand do as I
• 52:01
  say, not do as I do. And you know, later on he
• 52:04
  changed and that's totally fine. I'm, I don't, we used to be
• 52:08
  upset with that, but at this time, like I got really upset
• 52:11
  with my son because it, it's sometimes you're allowing the
• 52:15
  ability to be angry about something really should just be
• 52:19
  talked about with the person. Like, hey, look, I'm feeling
• 52:21
  like this and this is my viewpoint and I want to talk to
• 52:25
  you about it because I, I don't want to feel like this.
• 52:27
  And, and I was so upset with my son and I didn't know why.
• 52:31
  And you know, we got into a tussle.
• 52:34
  No one got hurt, but we got to the ground.
• 52:37
  And you know, the thing that I knew that my family loves each
• 52:40
  other so much was right at that moment there was no hesitation.
• 52:44
  My my daughter grabbed my youngest and protected him and
• 52:49
  my boys and my wife. All jumped in.
• 52:53
  Were jumping in and hitting me because they thought I was
• 52:55
  trying to hurt back. So I'm like, hey, he's got me.
• 52:58
  He's got me grabbed. I'm like just I'm protecting
• 53:00
  myself right now. I'm not, I'm not fighting him.
• 53:02
  I said get his art because he had to.
• 53:04
  He had me grabbed in there. But I was angry.
• 53:06
  I, I, I provoked him to that point.
• 53:09
  And a lot of it is because I started to think about, you
• 53:11
  know, when I was 19, you know what I was doing?
• 53:13
  I was in the fucking Navy. I celebrated my 19th birthday
• 53:18
  when I was in boot. Camp Are you worried Max is
• 53:20
  going to be like you? No.
• 53:23
  Yes. In my failures in life, it took
• 53:26
  me a really long time to have any purpose and to know that
• 53:31
  what I do does not define me, but it's what I do for others
• 53:35
  that does. And that's it.
• 53:38
  That's all. I want to be remembered.
• 53:39
  I don't want to be remembered from even if I say we grew
• 53:43
  cannabis tech company, but say we did something like that,
• 53:47
  right, and we made millions of dollars, I would not want to be
• 53:50
  known as a millionaire. I would be not known as
• 53:53
  extremely generous, helping out the community, you know, really
• 53:57
  being able to focus on making sure that people got a healthy
• 54:02
  handshake. Not because I have so much
• 54:05
  wealth, it's because I do have so much wealth that I can do
• 54:08
  that. And that's when you start doing
• 54:10
  that. Other people start to join that.
• 54:13
  When we teach that it's all about me, then all we have are
• 54:17
  these giant mansions with one person living in it, really
• 54:20
  fucking lonely. And they're like, well, I could
• 54:23
  get this in an apartment. We put so much value on on what
• 54:28
  we can put. It's even then it it doesn't
• 54:30
  make logical sense. It's vanity is complete mental
• 54:34
  illness is what it is. Vanity is mental illness.
• 54:36
  When you start to judge people like Jordan called me just last
• 54:40
  night. He had to, they had to admit his
• 54:42
  wife into the hospital, into mental health care ward.
• 54:45
  She's had this long bout of insomnia that she snapped five
• 54:49
  days, no sleep. And so he called me and he just
• 54:52
  wanted to vent. And I just let him vent.
• 54:55
  Jordan, if you met Jordan, you'd be like, yeah, that guy totally
• 54:59
  doesn't look like somebody you would want to go hang out with
• 55:01
  just because if you wanted to judge him with your eyes.
• 55:04
  But I saw past that. I saw past that because there's
• 55:08
  nothing to look past. He's just another person,
• 55:11
  another another traveler on this flying rock, right?
• 55:15
  Just another space. Traveler yeah, it's going the
• 55:17
  same way and it's like. And what happens when I help
• 55:20
  him? Things start to work out for me,
• 55:22
  not because I'm blessed by God, but because of that force of
• 55:26
  which God, I believe gave us was to be able to know that if you
• 55:30
  help each other, you're going to feel my love.
• 55:33
  You'll know that I exist. So everything is vibration
• 55:38
  frequency and. There's things about that that
• 55:41
  we don't understand, and I totally believe that in
• 55:43
  vibration frequency. So if you are in that positive
• 55:46
  frequency and positive state, you're more likely going to
• 55:50
  vibrate and resonate with more. And that glow grows bigger and
• 55:53
  bigger. And it's it's what Christians
• 55:55
  tend to chase when they look at their accomplishments within
• 55:59
  this fictitious church. Yeah, right.
• 56:02
  I do these things. Plus I'm I'm guaranteed these
• 56:04
  things. These boxes.
• 56:06
  But yet it's like the asshole on the golf course.
• 56:08
  It says oh, that's why I pay. 12.
• 56:09
  Percent. I pay 12%.
• 56:11
  But how many of your brothers do you know?
• 56:15
  How many of your brothers are you there for?
• 56:17
  How many of your brothers could call you in the middle of the
• 56:19
  night or when something's wrong? Go hey, I need you.
• 56:22
  Yeah, and the tell. And we would drop it and go, oh,
• 56:25
  OK, here. How many of those brothers do we
• 56:28
  do that for? And it's like, most of it is
• 56:30
  just checking the boxes for most of these people.
• 56:34
  And I think it's sad because everyone there is.
• 56:37
  It's that purpose of community and brotherhood that it's
• 56:40
  everyone wants, but they've missed so much in it.
• 56:43
  And it's like. Well, my theory on that with the
• 56:45
  connection, especially this, like, I have a friend at work,
• 56:48
  name is Amanda. I think she's an awesome person.
• 56:51
  She's one of my favorite people I get to see throughout the
• 56:54
  week. She's just cool.
• 56:55
  Not once if I thought that I want to fuck her.
• 56:57
  Right. But the modern thesis is that
• 57:01
  men only want to be friends with women to fuck them.
• 57:04
  Yeah. And that's not.
• 57:05
  True. Or that you can't be friends
• 57:07
  with someone of the opposite gender because it's going to be
• 57:11
  unacceptable or whatever if you're married or in a
• 57:14
  relationship. And it's, you know, my the ward
• 57:17
  growing up, there was a lady who was like, oh, I turned down a
• 57:21
  ride in the rain from one of the guys in our ward from two blocks
• 57:25
  away from my house because I didn't want to be alone with
• 57:28
  another like a another married man.
• 57:31
  Like all you're showing is you don't have self-control or trust
• 57:33
  yourself. Or you don't trust your.
• 57:35
  Brothers, your your family that you're here with you don't even
• 57:39
  trust. So it's this weird concept of
• 57:41
  like, we're family, but. Not fucking.
• 57:44
  Touch me, come near me, and I don't want to know about you so.
• 57:47
  If you need something, just run into me in the hallway and if
• 57:50
  you can guilt me in front of enough people, I'll come help.
• 57:53
  I'll. Be there and I'll resent you the
• 57:54
  whole time while I'm there and. Yeah, it's a difference between
• 57:58
  like in the Mormon Trudeau, like an Elders corn president.
• 58:00
  And you'll know if the guy really cares about serving other
• 58:03
  people because you can text him at any time and he'll respond
• 58:06
  immediately or he'll be at your house or you'll get one like an
• 58:09
  hour later going. I don't think anybody's going to
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  want to respond around this time, and you really need their
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  help. So it's like, you know, that's
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  why community is so hard to be able to build that because we've
• 58:20
  built these walls between us because of the fear of
• 58:23
  perception. It is fear.
• 58:25
  There was a show I was watching with Finn and it made me really
• 58:28
  think because it had this mom and dad went out on a date and
• 58:32
  left their kids at home and they're like, this is fine.
• 58:35
  You shouldn't have any issues. And they're like 10 minutes down
• 58:38
  the road and fire truck passes them and they're like, no, no,
• 58:41
  that's fine. It's fine.
• 58:42
  It's it's going to be going somewhere.
• 58:44
  It's going somewhere. It's totally fine.
• 58:45
  And then they're like, no, fuck, we we should turn around.
• 58:48
  So they turn around and go back. It's their house.
• 58:51
  The house is on fire, like the kitchen.
• 58:54
  And they're like, how in the hell did you do this?
• 58:56
  And they're like, well, we put something in the oven, but it
• 59:01
  looked like it was, oh, pizza. And they didn't take it out of
• 59:05
  the plastic and the plastic was on fire.
• 59:08
  And they were like, well, why didn't you use the fire
• 59:10
  extinguisher? And he's like, I did.
• 59:12
  And it shows him. And he just tosses the fire
• 59:13
  extinguisher in the oven. And he was like, go ahead, do
• 59:17
  your thing now. And then it explodes.
• 59:19
  And they're like, why didn't you go?
• 59:21
  Go to the neighbors? And they're like, 'cause you
• 59:23
  told us not to talk to strangers.
• 59:25
  And I'm like, what world is it that we have made where it's
• 59:28
  like, don't talk to strangers. And we're not friends with our
• 59:31
  neighbors. We're not we don't have this
• 59:33
  sense of community anymore. We don't have that real
• 59:37
  friendship that I'm like, OK, so our our kids, what happens then
• 59:40
  when don't talk to strangers? OK, well, there's an emergency.
• 59:43
  What do you do? We'll call, call, call your
• 59:45
  grandma, call this. Well, they don't look here.
• 59:47
  They're not at home. Call 9.
• 59:49
  Like there's no go to your neighbors, go next door and talk
• 59:53
  to Tommy. Go, go knock on Sarah's house or
• 59:55
  Jim's house or any of these people.
• 59:57
  They'll answer because growing up it was like, OK, yeah,
• 1:00:00
  there's the alarm. It'll go off.
• 1:00:02
  You can call 911. But you can run to the Strong's
• 1:00:04
  house, the Lee's house. You can run to any of these
• 1:00:06
  homes, knock on their door. Like we knew all of them.
• 1:00:11
  We did like. Yeah, but I don't know my
• 1:00:12
  neighbors now. No, I don't either.
• 1:00:14
  I don't have a close relationship.
• 1:00:17
  That's funny. And I'm like.
• 1:00:18
  But do the kids feel safe that it's like, oh, they if there was
• 1:00:21
  an emergency, they'd go to the neighbor's house and go, hey,
• 1:00:24
  can I use this? Can I do this?
• 1:00:25
  This is going on. Can you come help?
• 1:00:27
  How many of our kids would even do that?
• 1:00:29
  Yeah, no, like it and. Mine wouldn't.
• 1:00:33
  Well, no. And it's super funny, right?
• 1:00:35
  I mean we we talk about that like we've taught to be self
• 1:00:39
  inclusive. Independent.
• 1:00:41
  Yeah, it completely. Do not worry about the other
• 1:00:43
  people, only worry about yourself because only you are
• 1:00:46
  going to get to where you need to be.
• 1:00:47
  What is that fictitious world? If you don't have a degree then
• 1:00:51
  you can't get there. Tell that to the millions of
• 1:00:53
  people that just graduated college.
• 1:00:55
  They can't find a fucking. Job or the millions of people
• 1:00:58
  who have graduated and they're making $1012.00 an hour.
• 1:01:02
  And what do they do? They go back and get more
• 1:01:04
  student loans because they can continue to get education and
• 1:01:07
  money to live off of until they can finally get that job to pay
• 1:01:10
  off their hundreds of thousands. Level of education will help.
• 1:01:14
  And it's debt that just stays dude, it'll chase you to the
• 1:01:17
  grave. It's so weird where you're
• 1:01:20
  willing to sacrifice for so long for no reliability.
• 1:01:24
  Other than what? Well, that that's why I was
• 1:01:28
  talking. My kids mom is very adamant that
• 1:01:30
  they need to go to college, not for anything in particular, but
• 1:01:33
  that they need to and that anything they want to do is not
• 1:01:37
  a real job, that they cannot make any sort of real living on
• 1:01:40
  it. And I'm like, you know, what
• 1:01:42
  sucks is every job and career that you guys want to do that
• 1:01:47
  your mom says no one can make a real living on.
• 1:01:50
  I personally know people making seven figures a year doing all
• 1:01:53
  of those things. So you can go to college and get
• 1:01:57
  a degree and go to something that they don't want to do.
• 1:02:00
  None of those jobs or careers, they're like, that sounds like
• 1:02:03
  fun. That would bring me value or,
• 1:02:05
  and purpose or enjoyment through any part of my life.
• 1:02:08
  Like how many of us are pushing our kids to do something and
• 1:02:11
  they're like, Hey, I'm this isn't going to really value me
• 1:02:14
  in my life. It's not going to bring me the
• 1:02:16
  value that it did in your life. Like.
• 1:02:19
  And it, I don't know, it sucks, but I know we do it a lot in our
• 1:02:23
  lives of just. I'm sure our parents said it
• 1:02:25
  too. Yeah.
• 1:02:26
  I don't want you to see. Yeah, I don't want you to make
• 1:02:28
  me stay excited. Let me learn and.
• 1:02:30
  And that's where like, I'm, I'm trying to push my son because
• 1:02:33
  even after that, like, you know, if for him it's, you know, I'm
• 1:02:36
  holding him to an unrealistic standard, what I'm doing.
• 1:02:40
  And, and I'm, I'm not as forceful as my parents were, but
• 1:02:45
  I am grateful for that. Because if not for that, then
• 1:02:49
  what I would have ended up with probably 2 marriages, a bunch of
• 1:02:55
  kids that are over there paying child support and doing a job,
• 1:02:59
  which now makes a lot of fucking money.
• 1:03:01
  But back then did made, you know, I mean people who work
• 1:03:05
  with their hands. And that's the thing, like if
• 1:03:07
  you find it, it's not taking pride in what you do, it's
• 1:03:11
  enjoying what you do because you're doing something of
• 1:03:14
  service for others where it provides some type of good.
• 1:03:18
  Regardless if you're, if you're a person who's a truck driver
• 1:03:20
  who delivers fruit, do you know how many people are fucking
• 1:03:22
  happy to see you? Oh my gosh, milk all that shit.
• 1:03:25
  And how many people that you actually bring value to because
• 1:03:28
  it's not just them, It's everyone at the grocery store
• 1:03:30
  going, how many times do you bite into a piece of fruit and
• 1:03:33
  you're like, oh, my gosh, this is amazing.
• 1:03:34
  This is just what I want. Especially when you're slightly
• 1:03:37
  high. Yeah.
• 1:03:38
  Exactly right. It's it 100%.
• 1:03:41
  So every job has value. Yeah.
• 1:03:43
  Even if you're working at McDonald's, because what you're
• 1:03:45
  doing is for that person who chooses at that moment whether
• 1:03:48
  they're addicted to it or whether it was a convenient
• 1:03:50
  thing because they have been up for three days and just got out
• 1:03:53
  of the hospital. Yeah.
• 1:03:54
  You make you. You perform magic for them.
• 1:03:57
  I go from one speaker to a door and they give me food.
• 1:04:01
  This is pretty amazing. I mean, we get high and talking
• 1:04:05
  to a mic and you sit at home or in your car or.
• 1:04:08
  Or eating food. And hopefully a little bit high
• 1:04:12
  too, listening magically through these things in your ears.
• 1:04:15
  So. Yeah, it's it's super cool,
• 1:04:18
  right? You think about everything that
• 1:04:19
  you have around you and how awesome it is.
• 1:04:21
  And this isn't just a place of hi, this is where I like to live
• 1:04:24
  because, you know, I find that when I have that momentum, it
• 1:04:28
  becomes contagious. And when that's the greatest
• 1:04:31
  thing that I think about, man, is that my currency that I love
• 1:04:35
  is that, you know, connecting with other people and, and
• 1:04:39
  making that like that's a passion of mine, helping other
• 1:04:41
  people connect because it it won.
• 1:04:44
  It's it's extremely rewarding in its own sense, because you're
• 1:04:49
  helping someone to see past that filter that has been built up.
• 1:04:53
  Life is. Lonely it can be.
• 1:04:54
  Everyone wants to connect. There's always a moment, I
• 1:04:57
  think, in everyone's life. 100%. Where they feel lonely even
• 1:05:01
  sometimes when they're surrounded by people.
• 1:05:03
  Oh, 100%. It's like young men who trying
• 1:05:05
  to talk to women like, dude, it's a it's an epidemic now.
• 1:05:09
  It's an epidemic. And I have lived comfortably in
• 1:05:11
  marriage for over 20 years. And I'll tell you what, like it
• 1:05:15
  hasn't felt hard. It hasn't felt rough.
• 1:05:18
  We've had our spots, but we're still here and it's awesome.
• 1:05:22
  And it's not because I have to be there.
• 1:05:24
  It's because I enjoy being there.
• 1:05:26
  I would never sacrifice that. You know, some of the people
• 1:05:29
  that are like, oh, dude, are your wife OK with you having a
• 1:05:31
  friend who's a female? Like, yeah, she is.
• 1:05:34
  She'd mean, you know, there's a part of her going, is she
• 1:05:37
  prettier than me? Because I would be that way.
• 1:05:39
  Like, is that guy handsome? It's that nervousness in the
• 1:05:42
  back of your head of like, oh, what if this?
• 1:05:43
  And it's like, but why? But why?
• 1:05:46
  I trust. Yeah.
• 1:05:47
  I have trust, yeah. I don't have to worry about
• 1:05:50
  that. And that's the thing that I'm,
• 1:05:52
  it's a much happier life. And it's really easy to measure
• 1:05:56
  if I'm doing those things because if I'm feeling shitty,
• 1:06:00
  it's usually because I'm not looking to connect with others.
• 1:06:03
  And when I keep myself from doing that, like that's the
• 1:06:06
  greatest gift I can give anybody else.
• 1:06:07
  It's not what I can make or do. And and that's where Craftsman
• 1:06:11
  are going to come back from. We're going to see a different
• 1:06:14
  evolution of Craftsman that are developing software or
• 1:06:19
  entertainment or anything like that, that is going to be more
• 1:06:22
  inclusive. It's going to be more of a
• 1:06:25
  hobby, not a lifestyle. Like there should be no reason
• 1:06:29
  why somebody makes millions of dollars playing video games and
• 1:06:32
  other people watching them. I think that is the dumbest
• 1:06:34
  thing in the world. And what is it?
• 1:06:36
  I mean, you're not even living vicariously like watching a
• 1:06:38
  football player or a basketball player or a martial arts movie.
• 1:06:42
  You know you don't even mean. Those anymore because they're
• 1:06:44
  like, oh, I can't be this good. I can't do this.
• 1:06:46
  So they're like, but look at them, they can.
• 1:06:48
  Yeah. Oh, I'll live through them.
• 1:06:50
  Much, much, much, much, much. It sucks.
• 1:06:53
  And so it's like, like what you said with your kin.
• 1:06:55
  They're like, you know, I love doing this.
• 1:06:58
  Well, you know what? If you love it enough and you
• 1:07:01
  can have that passion about it, somebody else is gonna find
• 1:07:03
  value in it. Not because of what they see,
• 1:07:06
  but it is the perceived. Value.
• 1:07:08
  Yeah. And it's art and a lot of those
• 1:07:11
  I'm like people have tons of people create art and tons of
• 1:07:15
  people. It's like they give up or don't
• 1:07:17
  put the effort in the time 'cause it's they've got someone
• 1:07:20
  else like your mom behind you going.
• 1:07:22
  That's not a real dream. You can't do that.
• 1:07:24
  That's not successful. Don't do that.
• 1:07:26
  Don't try that. Is that what Finn wants to do?
• 1:07:28
  Art. Finn would he was like, oh, I
• 1:07:31
  want to, I want to be an artist. I want to go into acting.
• 1:07:33
  I want to do all of that. But I can't do that, Mike.
• 1:07:37
  Well, you could. And you can do this on the side.
• 1:07:39
  And even as you build up that, there's all sorts of avenues
• 1:07:43
  that you can do and still do that as well, 'cause I'm like,
• 1:07:47
  you can do this and you can make this much a month and that would
• 1:07:49
  cover all of your other stuff. And we'll do that and you can do
• 1:07:52
  that. I have a friend I grew up with
• 1:07:54
  here. I mean, we still are close from
• 1:07:57
  as I've known him since I was 13 and, and we still talk to this
• 1:08:01
  day. And he, he's never had a real
• 1:08:05
  job. He never went to school.
• 1:08:07
  He worked at Apollo Burger in high school.
• 1:08:10
  That's it. He has been an artist since 19
• 1:08:14
  years old and that's what's paid.
• 1:08:17
  But he struggled. He struggled hard, but he's like
• 1:08:20
  that's part of it. But now like you could go cut
• 1:08:23
  him going. Where does he live?
• 1:08:25
  Oh, he still lives in his parents home that he paid off.
• 1:08:27
  He wiped out all their debt. He they never need or want
• 1:08:31
  anything. You know what he does all the
• 1:08:33
  time? Isolates and paints.
• 1:08:35
  He cannot be disturbed. And so, you know, if Finn ever
• 1:08:38
  wanted to talk to somebody, like who does that, yeah, I'll put
• 1:08:42
  her on the phone with him. Yeah, well, that's I was like, I
• 1:08:44
  have another friend and all he does is art.
• 1:08:46
  That's it, and that's his career.
• 1:08:48
  Yeah, I'll put him on the phone. I.
• 1:08:49
  People do these things all the time, but they pour themselves
• 1:08:53
  into it. It's not like, oh, this is, it's
• 1:08:56
  like, no, I love this. This is my soul.
• 1:08:59
  I create. And Finn's always been an
• 1:09:01
  artist. And so I'm like, if that's what
• 1:09:03
  you want to do, I will help you. If that's like, instead of go to
• 1:09:08
  college, you need to do this and you need to go here and you need
• 1:09:10
  to get a degree doing this. And I actually would prefer you
• 1:09:13
  to go to this college because I like this college.
• 1:09:15
  And it's like, no, you can plan. Colleges scam.
• 1:09:19
  If you choose that you want to do an art class or do something
• 1:09:22
  fucking great, do it. If you choose that college is
• 1:09:25
  what you want to do because you find that for you, there's value
• 1:09:28
  in it, that's great too. But don't go into it expecting
• 1:09:33
  that you're needing to get this value.
• 1:09:34
  We're going to have to get this job or do this because that
• 1:09:37
  doesn't necessarily bring you value.
• 1:09:39
  And Alec just got job over at this new company just doing
• 1:09:44
  account, account executive. He starts at 280 plus
• 1:09:48
  commissions and I'm like, and he's just been in sales.
• 1:09:50
  You don't need a degree for that, ever.
• 1:09:53
  Yeah, but he ever wanted it sucks because he got a degree.
• 1:09:56
  Yeah, in information system in IS information technology.
• 1:10:01
  Oh, I, I was in school for IS, he was in school for IT.
• 1:10:04
  That's originally when I went to College in poor major.
• 1:10:07
  That's what his major was. He's.
• 1:10:10
  Not used that he's been in account management and sales.
• 1:10:14
  And then your other brother has a degree in engineering.
• 1:10:16
  Engineering and he's been in tech at night and now he's a
• 1:10:21
  data analyst for a healthcare company.
• 1:10:23
  None of those require their degrees at all.
• 1:10:27
  And my engineer brother was like, yeah, I could go work at
• 1:10:31
  an engineering firm and start at the bottom because like most
• 1:10:35
  people know, you need skill. And you don't come out of
• 1:10:38
  college with the skills needed, you come out with an education.
• 1:10:42
  Which is sad because he spent all that time learning something
• 1:10:45
  that he had no desire for. Well, he was like, it could have
• 1:10:48
  been fun and I would have done it maybe.
• 1:10:49
  But where I'm at now where I make this much and his wife and
• 1:10:53
  him are big spenders and that it was like I can't go to making
• 1:10:57
  this much and try and stack my way back up.
• 1:11:00
  Which just goes to say, I mean, it's just like, well, you had no
• 1:11:03
  passion to begin with. It like it sounded cool, but
• 1:11:06
  more likely it sounded cool because of the money you make.
• 1:11:08
  Like the only jobs that I look at that require a lot of
• 1:11:12
  education is a job that requires you to constantly be learning.
• 1:11:16
  So pharmacists, doctors, lawyers account.
• 1:11:20
  Engineers like architects, things that maybe you have to do
• 1:11:24
  because there's lots of fucking stuff.
• 1:11:26
  But. But it can't be like, you know,
• 1:11:27
  you things don't. No, they don't.
• 1:11:29
  And a lot of the degrees that come out of there are
• 1:11:31
  meaningless. Because most of our jobs now are
• 1:11:35
  pointless. Yeah, a lot of them are.
• 1:11:37
  That's what I was talking about with Finn, and that too is like,
• 1:11:40
  you know, going to college isn't the same now because a lot of
• 1:11:43
  our jobs aren't purposeful. Dude.
• 1:11:45
  They're really pointless jobs and if you something happens and
• 1:11:49
  AI and robots do 90% of this shit, 99% of the jobs are
• 1:11:54
  irrelevant. They're not.
• 1:11:55
  Here's it's useless. Here's an interesting fact so
• 1:11:58
  that they there's a woman really, I mean she's she turns
• 1:12:02
  around companies to be more profitable.
• 1:12:04
  She came to speak at this event up in Salt Lake and she was
• 1:12:08
  awesome. She's worked with Disney, she's
• 1:12:10
  worked with all these huge brands, a lot of clothing brands
• 1:12:14
  and she has like measurable results.
• 1:12:15
  This woman's all about results, measured results.
• 1:12:18
  I was like, OK, cool. This is like not just like if
• 1:12:22
  you think positive things will happen for you, you know, or, or
• 1:12:26
  Gary Vaynerchuk, well, stop being so fucking lazy, right?
• 1:12:29
  It's just like it it she just said whatever is measured will
• 1:12:33
  show that it actually can work. And the one thing that she
• 1:12:37
  pointed out with this fact, she goes, right now, the job
• 1:12:40
  statistics show that there is a huge polarity flip happening
• 1:12:45
  right now where youth are not able to find jobs.
• 1:12:48
  Guess which companies are looking for people in their 40s
• 1:12:52
  and up because they know how to deal with constant change and
• 1:12:57
  adapt fast and they grew up with technology, so they understand
• 1:13:02
  it. They are people in their 40s
• 1:13:05
  actually can utilize ChatGPT or any type of AI far better than
• 1:13:11
  any youth. And so now the degrees aren't
• 1:13:14
  sunset with that they go what have you done with skills of
• 1:13:17
  working with people? How do you understand that?
• 1:13:20
  How do you leverage AI to be a part of you?
• 1:13:22
  Now they're seeing that, which is really cool to see it some
• 1:13:25
  companies that are like it's the job of apocalypse for really
• 1:13:29
  meaningless jobs. Yes, it it's just a, you know,
• 1:13:32
  even your brother being a data analyst.
• 1:13:34
  How long is that going to last? Right?
• 1:13:36
  But it's going to be like the jobs that are more about
• 1:13:40
  connecting because they're looking to stand in.
• 1:13:42
  Front like sales stuff that you might need relationship. 100%.
• 1:13:47
  And like managing of AI and software and stuff and then
• 1:13:52
  creativity. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:13:55
  You can't just be somebody who. And such as a clock.
• 1:13:57
  So where you, all of my kids want to do artist creativity
• 1:14:01
  stuff, I'm like, that is the perfect angle to go into.
• 1:14:03
  And if you lean into it and actually put your heart into it,
• 1:14:07
  there's way more in. There well, and there's also
• 1:14:09
  things like opportunities to get into the ground floor.
• 1:14:12
  You know, everybody thinks that, you know, you're well, not
• 1:14:13
  everybody. That's a assumption there.
• 1:14:15
  There may be a thought process in people's head where they go,
• 1:14:19
  well, I want to do this like, OK, cool, how much do you want
• 1:14:23
  to do this? It's like when people would
• 1:14:25
  train martial arts underneath me.
• 1:14:27
  I want to be an MMA fighter. OK, cool, let's start.
• 1:14:30
  Drilling. I want to be a vet, but at the
• 1:14:32
  end of the day, you don't really think about what does that
• 1:14:35
  day-to-day look like. Yeah, you're putting animals.
• 1:14:37
  That's your life. You're doing all of these things
• 1:14:39
  that maybe you didn't think about because you're a kid and
• 1:14:42
  you don't know, versus like, hey, you want to do this?
• 1:14:44
  I would love to get you in. Maybe let's get you shadowing.
• 1:14:47
  Let's get you a day where you can go in and see what the
• 1:14:50
  day-to-day of this actually looks like.
• 1:14:52
  Well, it's like my son wants to do HVAC, right?
• 1:14:55
  OK. And he's like, well, I want to
• 1:14:56
  go to Mountain Tech College, whatever it is.
• 1:15:00
  And I'm like, yeah, you could do that.
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  Or you could go to one of these places, these HVAC places, and
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  say, hey, I'd like to learn your business and become your
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  salesperson. I'd like to go out there and
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  sell this, right. So now you're talking to the
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  customer and just saying, part of this is that I want to train
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  to be a journeyman and doing this.
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  So what if I sold for two to three days out of the week?
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  And then the other ones I'm I'm shadowing you guys, learning the
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  trade, all that stuff. My goal is to be more involved
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  with it. If you imagine if somebody came
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  in on the bottom floor with sales.
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  You think about this because how many we pay to go learn a skill,
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  we pay to go to college, we pay a lot of money to go learn.
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  You have no skill. At the end of that, you come out
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  still needing to learn the skill.
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  When they're young and have all this fucking time and they don't
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  need money. They could go and intern at a
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  company and go, hey, I would love to volunteer my time
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  because I want to work for you in six months or a year and I
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  would love to just give some of my time.
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  Yeah, I'll be here 2 days out of.
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  The week to learn the skill and come out of that with a skill, a
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  job and a career path. Dude, how, how am I OK that so
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  that that triggered a memory of I remember when I got out of the
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  Navy, I was all into fitness because my friend Brent really
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  got me into fitness and it started to get me into
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  bodybuilding and I I enjoyed the feeling.
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  I enjoyed the progression. And so I was like, this is cool.
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  Like when I was 20 years old, I was thinking, this is awesome,
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  right? 21 I'm out of the Navy and I, I
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  walked into a GNC said, hey, I love fitness, all these other
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  things. What would you say of me coming
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  here to work for free just to kind of learn a little bit more
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  about this because I want to learn more about, you know,
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  supplements and the way that actually affect the body and not
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  just, you know, yeah, this makes you strong and buy the most
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  expensive, high calorie dense protein shakes.
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  We used to sell these giant bags and had like Lou Ferregno on it.
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  But anyways, you know, he said no one's ever come in and done
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  that before. I'm like, yeah, I do this.
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  I read these magazines. I'm all into working out.
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  This is a lifestyle for me right now.
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  What would it take for me to come over here and just work
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  with you guys? Like, I don't have to be paid
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  anything. Just tell me what I got to wear.
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  And he's like, no, you start on Monday.
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  You want a job. And I'm like, yeah.
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  And he goes. You start on Monday.
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  Because no one comes in going hey, and if he I'm.
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  Willing to do this? You probably even have an HVAC
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  company guy in your ward. 100%. And it's like, go to them go,
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  hey, I would love to just learn. Can I come in turn and just do
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  that? And I bet that guy would give
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  him a job 100% and then he'd learn the skill.
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  He'd come out with a job and a career path through it, be able
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  to scale, grow, learn all of that.
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  And it's super easy now becomes a craft.
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  Why don't we this thank you for this episode and the strain
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  mixes, because I think that's what I'm going to tell my kids
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  that is a much better career path because it's we talk about
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  it all the time. You want to go learn how to do
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  something, Go get a mentor, go talk to a business owner, learn
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  this and go, hey, how did you do this?
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  You learn from somebody else who already knows.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah, you're going to find a true mentor is somebody that
• 1:18:11
  others seek and not the other ones that are asking you to find
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  them. Yep.
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  Those I I tend to think of those as snake oil salesman.
• 1:18:19
  They they were. Masters are the ones just doing
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  their craft out. Yeah, if somebody goes to speak
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  just because you, you like their thought process, you may follow
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  a couple things there. But you know, truly what I think
• 1:18:31
  about is what am I constantly learning and adapting to?
• 1:18:35
  What am I learning about myself and what am I learning about
• 1:18:38
  others? Because that's more impactful
• 1:18:40
  than just having theoretical ideas that may work, right?
• 1:18:44
  That's why the reliance upon a degree is so overwhelmingly just
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  now retarded. Because you can't do anything
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  with this. And now you feel even worse
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  because now you've spent all this time, all this money and
• 1:19:00
  debt. And people are telling you you
• 1:19:02
  don't have the value that you thought you did.
• 1:19:04
  Dude, they're getting out of school with more debt than most
• 1:19:07
  people who grew up during the 50s and 60s and 70s died with.
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  They died with almost no debt. Probably these guys are going to
• 1:19:15
  die with probably generational debt and that's the worst thing
• 1:19:20
  because they. That's.
• 1:19:22
  Insane. But you think about it, right?
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  Like what is more important? And that's like, you know, where
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  you know, and I think about it and even asking yourself like,
• 1:19:30
  what is the passion that makes you get up and go and do things
• 1:19:33
  right? It can't be money because money
• 1:19:36
  is only a perception of value. Tomorrow it could change.
• 1:19:39
  It could be crypto. And now all of your greenbacks
• 1:19:42
  mean nothing. So it's like, OK, what happens
• 1:19:44
  then? Well, we've always found a way
• 1:19:46
  to find value, but it's always around consumerism.
• 1:19:49
  If we find value in people, then crafts are going to come back.
• 1:19:52
  Art will be appreciated in a better way.
• 1:19:55
  And so it's, it's looking at that one, not what it, what's in
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  it for me. How can we grow?
• 1:20:01
  Because when we flourish, like things just get more advanced
• 1:20:05
  and we go through smaller periods in our more comfort age.
• 1:20:08
  I I see not the technological age, it's the overly comfortable
• 1:20:12
  age 'cause it's got more. I mean dude, you can't trust the
• 1:20:16
  food that you microwave. Then nor should you, right?
• 1:20:19
  The art of cooking food, the art of talking to people is so
• 1:20:25
  foreign to many because they don't.
• 1:20:28
  I mean, dude, it's like that event I did.
• 1:20:30
  The number one thing of their fear was I don't know what to
• 1:20:33
  say. Whoa, really?
• 1:20:35
  That means they probably don't either.
• 1:20:37
  Yeah, so don't worry. And you're all afraid in this
• 1:20:39
  game, but you imagine you've trapped yourself like you know
• 1:20:42
  Sandy on SpongeBob, where you put that fishbowl on top of your
• 1:20:46
  head and all you are is trapped in your own vacuum of despair.
• 1:20:50
  Yeah, it's thoughts. And you just, it's easy to
• 1:20:52
  shatter it. Yeah.
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  But we're we're trained to do that from a young age.
• 1:20:56
  And I think now, like our generations are, are starting to
• 1:21:00
  now, like kind of push them into a new direction, which is good.
• 1:21:03
  When I hear that youth are having a harder time finding
• 1:21:06
  jobs. Nobody is more like when you are
• 1:21:09
  put into a bad spot. Nobody's more creative in making
• 1:21:12
  money than a poor person who has nothing to lose.
• 1:21:15
  Yep. How many times have we made
• 1:21:17
  money out of nothing? With that guys, catch you next
• 1:21:20
  week.