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ITB on WBCB: Caplan, DiCecco Break Down Eagles Developments, Preview Week 5 vs. Broncos · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Here are your hosts from Inside the Birds, Adam Kaplan
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  Speaker 1: and Andrew did check. Oh, I am Adam Kaplan.
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  Speaker 2: He and Andrew d Czecko from Inside the Birds and
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  Speaker 2: we're Chicken PiZZ on Roosevelt Boulevard. Andrew in the heart
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  Speaker 2: of Northeast Philly. I grew up in Cheltham, about twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five minutes from this location of Chicken Pizza.
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  Speaker 1: We're glad to be here. How are you doing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm doing great. Thanks for asking, Adam, and it's great
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  Speaker 3: to be with you. And we have a lot to
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  Speaker 3: discuss coming off that thirty one to twenty five Eagles win.
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  Speaker 1: An odd score by the way, and I know you
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  Speaker 1: were there. We're going to get into that.
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  Speaker 2: And it's good to see Pete Rocky from Chicken Peach
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  Speaker 2: last week in Malvern, their Malvern location for an event
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  Speaker 2: from seventy six Caplin on our friends who have now
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  Speaker 2: events at Chicken Peas all around the country. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so Andrew, before we get to your experience at Tampa
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  Speaker 2: Bay and the game obviously, which we're going to get
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  Speaker 2: deep into, and later in the show we'll preview the
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  Speaker 2: game the Eagles have at home against the Broncos this Sunday,
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  Speaker 2: some transactions.
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  Speaker 1: This is a weird one.
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  Speaker 2: So when a long staffer goes on IR, that means
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  Speaker 2: he's probably not gonna be coming back for a while.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So the Eagles placed long snapper Charlie Hewlett on injury
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  Speaker 3: reserve and they signed cal Adamanas. I believe I said
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  Speaker 3: that guy Ada Midas out of he went to Pittsburgh
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  Speaker 3: and he spent his first three years with the Bengals,
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  Speaker 3: didn't make the team coming out of camp last summer,
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  Speaker 3: and he's with the Eagles right now, twenty seven years old.
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  Speaker 3: And you rarely see a long snapper on the injury reserve,
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  Speaker 3: And we don't quite know what the injury is at
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  Speaker 3: this time, but we'll have to see. Because that operation
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  Speaker 3: with Jake Elliott, Charlie Hewlett and Braden Mann was really
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  Speaker 3: die phenomenal.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been phenomenal. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: So now they had one other one which we knew about,
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  Speaker 2: was calling Obo Conkroll is done for the season with
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  Speaker 2: the triceps. So they're down on what five edges. But
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  Speaker 2: here's the question, will this be the week that is
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  Speaker 2: he's Ojelari plays.
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  Speaker 1: I know you talked to Vic fan here today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well it has to be I guess by process
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  Speaker 3: of elimination, it has to be as he's o Jelari
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  Speaker 3: and Vic Vangao mentioned that he's been practicing good.
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  Speaker 4: Those are the words that he gave me when.
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  Speaker 3: I asked him what has he seen from him in
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  Speaker 3: practice to date and the reason why he has been
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  Speaker 3: playing And we know this, We've talked about this, but
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  Speaker 3: it's due to special teams. He's played under one hundred
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  Speaker 3: special team snaps in his career. And if you're going
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  Speaker 3: to be the fifth or even sixth edge rusher active
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  Speaker 3: on game day, you have to be able to contribute.
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  Speaker 4: To the third phase, which Patrick Johnson does.
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  Speaker 3: But this is his opportunity right now to really state
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  Speaker 3: his case because otherwise the Eagles have four weeks until
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  Speaker 3: the deadline to potentially have to have to make some decisions.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll talk more injuries in segment two. But Andrew, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so let's let's let's get started. Eagles want to Tampa first.
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  Speaker 2: Here's my first question. Did you like in our pregame
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  Speaker 2: show with myself and Jeff Motion Greg co sel I
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  Speaker 2: did pick the Eagles to win. I thought the Mike
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  Speaker 2: Evans factor would be big. It was, let's talk about
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  Speaker 2: your week. So you got to Tampa on Saturday. Take
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  Speaker 2: us through kind of you know, you get there. Do
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  Speaker 2: you get by the way, do you get the games early?
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  Speaker 3: Like maybe, oh yeah, I really get there like three
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  Speaker 3: four hours early. What do you I like to get situated?
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: I don't like having to deal with traffic very much
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  Speaker 3: like me. I'm a creature of habit. I think you
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  Speaker 3: know that by me. I know that about me by now.
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  Speaker 3: But I like to, you know, one, get your spot,
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  Speaker 3: get your computer set up, get everything again. I like
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  Speaker 3: to really fixate on pregame warm up. So I wanted
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  Speaker 3: to see what kiey Ringo was doing. I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: see what a Dori Jackson, who I talked to him
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  Speaker 3: in the locker room on Friday about his status for
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  Speaker 3: the game, and he pretty much said that it was
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  Speaker 3: going to be probably a day of situation.
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  Speaker 4: He was out there jogging.
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  Speaker 1: Di did Dory Jackson work out for the game? He did?
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  Speaker 1: And was he jogging?
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  Speaker 4: He was jogging.
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  Speaker 3: But but that's like things like that, things like that
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  Speaker 3: or what I what I'm trying to keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 2: So so you get there, here's the first question, so
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  Speaker 2: we knew it was going to be the low nineties.
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  Speaker 2: You've been to training camps, you know how humanity gets.
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  Speaker 2: How was the weather there?
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  Speaker 4: It was soupy, That's the word I like to use.
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  Speaker 3: And maybe I'm maybe I'm a little nuts, but I
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  Speaker 3: was wearing a blazer for that game, and I can
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  Speaker 3: only imagine I was just going from the parking lot
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  Speaker 3: to the press box. I can only imagine what the
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  Speaker 3: feeling was like on the field. But you could see
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles doing implementing different tactics like trying to shield
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  Speaker 3: the players from the sun. Yes, And I mean you
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  Speaker 3: really when you look at this and you see there's
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  Speaker 3: five defensive players who played all seventy two defensive snaps.
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  Speaker 3: I mean you have to. You have to tip your
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  Speaker 3: hat to them because it was extremely humid.
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  Speaker 1: So that game was interesting. So this is a team.
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  Speaker 2: We know the Eagles have struggled there in recent years
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  Speaker 2: in Tampa, but this is a game they also found
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  Speaker 2: a way to win. And in fact, I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about you in the press boxes, that's where you're watching
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  Speaker 2: the game. So I'm watching the game at home, and
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  Speaker 2: then you know they get the block pun I'm like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this is a momentum booster for me because you're not
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  Speaker 2: expecting it being there. What can you say? Do you
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  Speaker 2: watch the sidelines? What are you watching as the game progresses?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I try to watch the substitutions on the sideline,
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  Speaker 3: and and you know, if a player is coming off
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  Speaker 3: going into the medical tent, you know, these are things.
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  Speaker 3: These are certain you know, intric and intricacies that you
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  Speaker 3: have to be mindful of. But I like the the
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  Speaker 3: all twenty two of view that we get from the
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  Speaker 3: press box. You're able to get that full scope of
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  Speaker 3: what the defense is taking away from the offense and
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  Speaker 3: vice versa. But talk about that punt block by Cam Latu,
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  Speaker 3: who's been a really, really strong addition for the special
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  Speaker 3: teams units over the past three games. I talked to
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  Speaker 3: him after the game and he just he credited Michael
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  Speaker 3: Clay for drawing it up, and he was extremely physical
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  Speaker 3: and shot through and got his hands on there, and
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  Speaker 3: then the ball bounced right into the waiting arms of
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  Speaker 3: Sidney Brown who scoots thirty six yards for the touchdown.
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  Speaker 2: So you talk about how Michael Clay drew it up.
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  Speaker 2: Did he give you an idea of what they were
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  Speaker 2: looking for?
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  Speaker 3: So I asked Sidney Brown about that, and he smiled
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  Speaker 3: and he goes, yeah, Michael Clay definitely dialed up a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of a blitz there, and the way that
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  Speaker 3: it was a freed up cam lattu, the way that
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  Speaker 3: they had it mapped out and he was able to
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  Speaker 3: come through. Now, I should also mention that a lot too.
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  Speaker 3: Seems to have a knack for that, because if you
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  Speaker 3: go back to the Chiefs game, there were about two
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  Speaker 3: instances where he came really close to blocking a punt.
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  Speaker 3: So he seems to have a really natural feel. You
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  Speaker 3: see the physicality, the hand usage. That's been a really
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  Speaker 3: good addition in the absence of Ben Van Sumer.
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  Speaker 2: So and you mentioned Van sumer and I know you've
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  Speaker 2: got to know who was a pretty good athlete, but
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  Speaker 2: unfortunately he had another add knee injury. However, Michael Clay's units,
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  Speaker 2: if you remember Andrew fans Win and.
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  Speaker 1: Michael Clay fired several times. I do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the punning issue. They brought Brett Curdin
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  Speaker 2: who was kind of finished. They had a punting problem
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  Speaker 2: for They got braid Man, who's phenomenal. Jake Elliott, you know,
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  Speaker 2: was great that he wasn't so great.
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  Speaker 1: How the special we don't talk about that much, but
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  Speaker 1: how have they kind of evolved in the recent years,
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  Speaker 1: especially this year.
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  Speaker 3: Michael Clay and I think he's done a really exceptional job.
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  Speaker 3: And the reason why I say that Adam is every
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  Speaker 3: year he has to deal and every special teams coach
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  Speaker 3: does as well.
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  Speaker 4: You have to deal with a different group of players.
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  Speaker 4: It's unlike offense or defense.
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  Speaker 3: But to see the collective buy in where you see
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  Speaker 3: starters playing on special teams. Jordan Davis even last season,
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  Speaker 3: played over one hundred snaps on special teams. Jay looks
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  Speaker 3: on Cooper Dejeen plays on kickoff. You don't often see that.
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  Speaker 3: It's not I should say it's not a commonplace around
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  Speaker 3: the NFL. But he has a really good feel for
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  Speaker 3: what teams are looking to do. So on Friday they'll
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  Speaker 3: try to break down tenants about the other team. They
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  Speaker 3: have someone there like Britain Covey who can help, someone
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  Speaker 3: like Johan Dottson. Britain Covey will take the gunners aside.
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  Speaker 3: This is what they look to do. This is how
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  Speaker 3: I want it blocked up. This is how the ball
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  Speaker 3: is you know, comes off their foot and this is
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  Speaker 3: what I need you guys to do. So the Eagles
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  Speaker 3: take it to another level in terms of their preparation
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  Speaker 3: and detail with the third phase.
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  Speaker 2: So Andrew, this game was fascinating. So they go up
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  Speaker 2: seven to nothing, they go up fourteen to nothing. Because
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  Speaker 2: again you get to watch the overview. Did it look
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  Speaker 2: like they were dominating?
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  Speaker 1: Like? What did it look like to you in that
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  Speaker 1: first quarter? It did?
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  Speaker 3: It looked like they had Tampa Bay on the ropes.
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  Speaker 3: I was really taken aback by the aggressiveness and the
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  Speaker 3: flow of the game with Kevin Battulo. I thought he
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  Speaker 3: was pressing all the right buttons, getting creative and finding
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  Speaker 3: ways to exploit what Tampa Bay was doing their aggressiveness.
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  Speaker 4: But then you saw a little bit of a shift.
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  Speaker 3: But to answer your question, I did it did look
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  Speaker 3: like pure domination.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're up twenty four to six and they
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  Speaker 2: got the ball first in the second half, I'm thinking
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  Speaker 2: there's no way without Mike Evanster coming back. And I'm
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  Speaker 2: like when it looked a little hairy when they the
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  Speaker 2: league got down to eight and Tampa had the ball
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  Speaker 2: and they think actually tied here with a touchdown of
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  Speaker 2: two point conversion I'm like, wow, this could be an
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  Speaker 2: all time loss. What were your thoughts as the game
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  Speaker 2: progressed of the second half, where they're going to keep
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  Speaker 2: it or not?
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  Speaker 3: Well, really to rewind it back just before the break,
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  Speaker 3: Chase McLaughlin kicking that sixty five yard or it seemed
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  Speaker 3: like coming out of the break that injected a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of life into Tampa Bay. They put up seventeen
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  Speaker 3: points in the second half, and then it was the
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  Speaker 3: tail of tail of two has because they had the
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  Speaker 3: Eagles on the ropes, but they got inspired efforts from
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  Speaker 3: linebacker rookie linebacker Johae Campbell forcing two turnovers. He had
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  Speaker 3: the force fumble, he teamed with jay loox Hunt. Then
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  Speaker 3: he has the interception. And I thought that Zach Bond
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  Speaker 3: had a really good game, Cooper Degene and Quinya Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: It took all three phases the Eagles to be able
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  Speaker 3: to pull this out. But I thought that the defense
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  Speaker 3: really rose to the occasion in difficult circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: And you mentioned Quinnon Mitchell. Other than some holds which
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  Speaker 2: were obvious which were not called vic Fanger said it
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  Speaker 2: was his best game as a professional.
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  Speaker 3: Why, well, I would say the physicality that he played with.
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  Speaker 3: He made a nice open field tackle on Bucky Irving.
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  Speaker 3: He didn't shy away from great tackle, right, he didn't,
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  Speaker 3: And that was just one of several that he made
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  Speaker 3: in that game. But he's playing more like he was
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  Speaker 3: always a confident player. But he rises to the occasion.
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  Speaker 3: Isn't back down from anybody, and whether or not it's
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  Speaker 3: a it's a tough play or or a positive play,
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  Speaker 3: he bounces back. He has that short mindset which to
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  Speaker 3: be a high level cornerback at the end the at
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  Speaker 3: the NFL level, you have to have. But you can
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  Speaker 3: even look at this a little further. His attitude. He
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  Speaker 3: seemed to come into this game really juiced up. And
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  Speaker 3: there was a time earlier in the game where Cooper
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  Speaker 3: Degene appeared to have an interception, he returns it and
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  Speaker 3: then Tristan Wurf's is little he tackles him a little
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  Speaker 3: roughly there, and Quinna Mitchell took exception to that. So
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  Speaker 3: he's sort of growing into more of a young leadership
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  Speaker 3: type of role. So I think if you look at
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  Speaker 3: everything that he was able to do, it was certainly
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  Speaker 3: strides in the right direction.
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  Speaker 2: And the thing is about Mitchell is you know they
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  Speaker 2: didn't play. They barely played man coverage last season bottom
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  Speaker 2: five and zone coverage.
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  Speaker 1: Their man coverages up. VIC has been more aggressive now.
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  Speaker 2: I think Andrew part of it is because they just
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  Speaker 2: cannot get the passer on their own. He's having to
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  Speaker 2: blitz more, which is not what he wants to do.
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  Speaker 2: But you got to do what you have to do.
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  Speaker 2: Give me some Give me some thoughts on the off
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  Speaker 2: of the defensive line because O Joe Moo's pressure rate
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  Speaker 2: is pretty good and if he got his first sack,
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  Speaker 2: but the run defense has surprised me.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of falling off. What are your thoughts in
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  Speaker 1: the defensive line so far?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and to your point, I believe Vic Fanjo had
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  Speaker 3: the blitz Tampa Bay about forty three percent.
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  Speaker 1: Of that that number time, but really it was just.
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  Speaker 4: Shy of fifty percent.
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  Speaker 3: And when you're not able to get home, traditionally those
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  Speaker 3: are the measures that you have to take.
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  Speaker 4: But I think interior pressure.
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  Speaker 3: Is look at the defense this year Adham and I
• 11:01
  Speaker 3: said that that was going to have to be their
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  Speaker 3: hallmark interior pressure and dynamic second level play. So Jomo,
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  Speaker 3: you talk about his pressure rate, I thought he was
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  Speaker 3: pretty disruptive, didn't necessarily get home all the time, yes,
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  Speaker 3: but but collapse the pocket. Jalen Carter for most of
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  Speaker 3: the game, he was in and out. Later with the shoulder,
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  Speaker 3: I thought he had a nice showing as well. But
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  Speaker 3: it's the edge rushers that I think it's fair to
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  Speaker 3: have some concern, especially now that we're four games in
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  Speaker 3: and no one's really surfaced or been able to really
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  Speaker 3: cement their status as being that dominant pass rusher off
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  Speaker 3: the edge. And that's why you're seeing the the I
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  Speaker 3: guess the accelerated blitz blitzing from Fangio.
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  Speaker 2: There's no question with the run defense. When you look
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  Speaker 2: at Carter's shoulder. Okay, well, Jomo is long, but he's
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  Speaker 2: not wide and strong like Milt Williams. You knew there
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  Speaker 2: could be some issues, and there are. It's not like
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  Speaker 2: they're giving with choining yards a game, but you saw
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  Speaker 2: Bucky irving. They're getting they're going to hit a misdirection.
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  Speaker 1: A little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, well that's been a little a little bit surprising.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing about Fanjo and the staff is Andrew Tip,
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  Speaker 2: they see what happens. They're talking, you know, they get
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: to see the Microsoft surface and they adjust, but eventually
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  Speaker 2: in game they seem to get the job done.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess I should also say that not
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  Speaker 3: having Noan Smith, you can see the impact there.
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  Speaker 4: He's a very impactful.
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  Speaker 3: Run defeeder, physical at the point of attack and really
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  Speaker 3: will just throw his body around and blow things up
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  Speaker 3: off the edge. I think that also contributed to it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, But maybe you chalk it up to
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: maybe the excessive temperatures factoring in, because it did to
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  Speaker 3: me from where I was sitting, looked like they were
• 12:32
  Speaker 3: getting a little bit gas in the third and fourth quarter.
• 12:35
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  Speaker 2: Oh Andrew, it's time now for this week's injury of you.
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  Speaker 2: Lane Johnson the shoulder stinger it acted up again and.
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  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson Johnny in the spot. But this is a concern.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Lane's been banged up this season, He's
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: been battling through some things. And you have to wonder, Adam,
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: if and I know it would be to the Eagles detriment,
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: but if maybe sitting someone like a Landon Dickerson or
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: Elane Johnson for a game or two would would serve
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  Speaker 3: them well for the for the you know, for the
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: foreseeable future, rather than keep plugging them in and they're
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  Speaker 3: battling through some things. Clearly that that's well, that will
• 14:17
  Speaker 3: be one thing that I'm keeping an eye on Wednesday
• 14:19
  Speaker 3: when I'm out there on the practice field. What what's
• 14:23
  Speaker 3: Lane Johnson's designation. Is he out there, is he working
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  Speaker 3: and things like that, but it seems like if not
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  Speaker 3: properly taking care of it, it could linger.
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you notice if he was sitting on the
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: bench just staring and trying, because when you have a
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: stinger and just sometimes you lose feeling and you get
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: massaged out.
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: But you know he's an older player. You worry about that.
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: You mentioned Landon Dickerson who have multiple surgeries before the season,
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: one right after the Super Bowl, then r one the
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: meniscus trim right before the season started, So you worry
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: about that. And this is where not having a guy
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: like jacktros Skull who's versatile, could play multiple positions. They
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: missed on Trevor Keegan who they cut, They don't Andrew
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: who is that guy who Brett Toafe?
• 15:08
  Speaker 4: Brett Toaf.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: It would be the logical logical fit at guard in
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: the absence of Landon. He's been around, He's in a
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: seventh season right now. They trust him, Jeff Statlin's work
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: with him over the years. You're not gonna be able
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: to replicate tech production or come close to it, but
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: that would be the option. And then and then I
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: think you have to look at Matt Pryor, who can
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: play He's really he can play either guard spot, but
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: he's really a right guard.
• 15:28
  Speaker 4: Can played right tackle.
• 15:29
  Speaker 3: You saw that a couple of weeks ago, and Fred
• 15:32
  Speaker 3: Johnson saw the jack of all trades the game day
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: swing tackle. But that's why they brought him in because
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: as we're sort of outlining this year, you can see
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: that there's a lack of depth there, or experience depth.
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Now you mentioned Dickerson, He's just got to play better.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: The hope is at some point he's gonna get himself
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: into game shape and he gets back to where he was.
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: And then Tyler Stein gets clipped his left knee. It
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: looked really bad. I don't know if you see from
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: the press box Exactually he didn't as much time he
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: came back, but.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: Well, it looks bad.
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: I talked to Tyler after the game call briefly and
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: he said he hyper extended it, put a brace on,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: went back in there and he said, whether it was
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: adrenaline or what. He goes, I just you know, I
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: wanted to be out there, and I said, how do
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: you feel? Because I feel good?
• 16:12
  Speaker 4: He goes. He said, we got to win.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: We'll see on Wednesday. If they listed.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Wednesday, said he's another name. I'll be keeping an eye on.
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: Let's go to defense. Jalen Carter.
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: We talked about this early and we'll give him a
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: little bit more detail. So and now it inside the Birds.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: We put it out there that when they drafted him,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the one concern for him from an interry standpoint was
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: he had chronic shoulder issues. Now I don't know if
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: it's the same shoulder, but Andrew, it's interesting he started
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: training camp and Eagles are one of the few teams
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: that do this with an injury report. Most teams will
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: not give you one. It's as shoulder and he's still
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: almost every week on with his shoulder. You concerned about.
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: This with with Jayalen Carter, I think you have to be,
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: because it's it was a problem where it flared up
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: enough where it was reported in July and he had
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: He's had to deal with that for a number of
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: months now and then it's surfaced again.
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: So he said, I had to go back out there.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I wanted to finish the game and be out there
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: with my guys, But you have to look at everything
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: long term, and he's so vital to what the Eagles
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: do defensively, the centerpiece of that defensive line that we
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: talked about, the offensive line and some of those key players.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: You have to wonder if being a little bit more
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: cautious with someone like a Jay when Carter is going
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: to serve the Eagles, well, you know for crunch time.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: And remember Byron Young for a fourth.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: Tackles playing a lot, playing a lot. Yeah, a little
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: bit more than I expected. So let's also look at
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: Nacoby Dean and this is interesting. We know that Nacoby
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: had said weeks ago he'll be ready to get on
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: the field to practice in week five. And what did
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: Vic Fancier say about this?
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: He said his window is twenty one day practice window
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: for those who don't know, will be opened either this
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: week or next. If you remember when Nakobe was initially
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: put on pup, he said he put out something on
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: social media that said see week five.
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: Obviously there's a ramp up period that's required.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: You can be in as good as shape as you
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: can be, but there's nothing that replaces being in football shape.
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: But what I will say is he's been around a
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: lot more of the past couple of weeks. He was
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: working early before every training camp practice. He really seems
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: to have attacked the rehab process as he said he
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: would when I spoke to him during clean out, and
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: he's gonna be Now the question becomes, how would he
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: fit into the equation because they don't traditionally rotate their linebackers.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Right and Zach Bonaja Hot Campbell are playing so well
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: right now that comes out the field. So I think
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: if you look at what Nakobe Dean can bring from
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: a run game perspective, he is very good coming downhill
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: and he's also effective as a blitzer. So maybe situationally
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: down the line, when he's able to go, you could
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: see him carving out a role.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: More injuries, Obo conkerall was put on eyerday with the
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: toin triceps. That'll do it for him for the season.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: It's a tough injury man.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: That's tough man. I mean he played just four snaps.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: I've had some really good conversation with him. He really
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: has embraced the culture and said that he noticed right
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: away that this culture was unlike.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Anything He's not used to it.
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: Well, he said, when you.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: See someone like Jordan Davis smiling ear to ear and
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: he's talking to receivers and things like that. He said,
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: the culture here is just different, and he seemed to
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: really appreciate being here. He got his opportunity to be active,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and then he played just four snaps until he was
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: immediately rolled out with the triceps and that was obviously
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: never a good sign.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: So let's let's talk before we get to George Jackson.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: What does the depth look like now at edge for
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the Eagles.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: At edge, well, you have jay loox Hunt, Zadarius Smith,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: josh Usha Patrick Johnson, and as he's.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: O Jaalari now yet to play the season.
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah right, So, as you always say, Adam, depth is
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: not about the amount of players that you have, it's
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: about the quality of those players. So we're gonna learn
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: a lot about the depth in the coming weeks. And look,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: as he's Oje his twenty two career sacks and he
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: has youth, and there was a lot of optimism about
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: what he could potentially bring in a rotational role. We're
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: gonna find out he should be active. He has to
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: be active on Sunday.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Andrew other than that Chests game, we had a sack.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: He did not look explosive when training came out and
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that he's an he has been inactive,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: but and A Vic's right, Yes, when it comes down
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: to bottom of the roster guys, it's special teams comes
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: into play.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: But until how heros and makes a trade.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: If he does for an edge player, he's gonna have
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: to play because I mean, I know that they're using
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Campbell now a little bit more on the edge, but
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is they need edge rushers.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: Man, They're not.
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Get That's why Vic is doing what he doesn't like
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: to do. That's on that Blitcherate crazy number you gave.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do to get
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: to the passer.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: And one of the five is Patrick Johnson, who is
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: a core special teamer. He played a decent amount of
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: snaps against the Bucks because when you lose Okuronquo, you know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: we have four edge rushers that are going so they're
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: they're really light there and the numbers are dwindling and
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: they need production from that unit because now we're a
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: quarter of the way through the season and we have
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: yet to see anyone really emerge or make a dent.
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: So Darius Smith had a nice showing against the Chiefs
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and his first game. I think today Vic Vangel even
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: said that he thought that the game against the Bucks
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: was a Darius Smith's best game, even though it didn't
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: produce a sack.
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: Well, we'll have to see. They have questions, there, no doubt.
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: And this is something that you and I have talked
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: about throughout training camp and it's something that it's surfaced
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: and it's persisting right now.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Andrew, when you look at this defense, Okay, to me,
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: there have been most consistent on either side of the football.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: We're only for four games, but how good could this
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: defense be?
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I think they're gonna continue to get better at him
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: and the reason why I say that it's a very
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: young defense. Someone like Jahad Campbell and Drew mccuba, the
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: first and second round picks of this year. They're going
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: to continue to get better. Yeah, they're gonna make their mistakes,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: but they're coachable. They have a very sharp football IQ
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: and the more reps that they get, you can see
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: them becoming more and more comfortable within the defense. They
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: also have someone like Cooper dejen who you can make
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: an argument it's one of the best tackling defensive backs
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: in the NFL. Quinna Mitchell playing with a lot of confidence.
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: The question that I have in that group I go
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: back to the edge rushers. Unless that area is fortified,
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: there's going to be questions. But I think there's enough
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: talent there to move that forward.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: So people have asked us about ty Robinson. I thought
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit wrong training camp. I'm not
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: surprised that he's really only if he's active, he's playing
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: on special teams.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on him?
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: I expected to see more from him in training camp.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: He never really flash and you could clearly see that
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: he was going through some growing pains, which is kind
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: of odd because he played five years in college.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: He's twenty four years old.
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: But every young player progresses at different rates, and that's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: what I often tell folks when they're tougher on some
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: younger players. But you have to be able to play
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: with how they want you to play, the hand usage,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: and be able to with the fundamentals and the assignment
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: sound nature that the Eagles require. And if you're if
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: there's any reluctance there, they're not going to put you
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: out there. But he has to be active because they
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: have five he's the fifth defensive tackle, and especially in
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: that kind of weather, you can't just go into it
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: with four defensive tackles. But I was very I was
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: under the impression that he wasn't going to factor in
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: much in terms of playing time, and the snap share
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: really reflects.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: That linebacker wise. I did want to touch on them briefly.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned Zach Bond earlier, who's been phenomenal joh
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Hod Campbell. To me, he's a little bit ahead of schedule.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Campbell's role in the future. We know Deans on the
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: funny Vers deal. He's coming off a major knee injury.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Give me Campbell's projection for the next couple of years.
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's hyperbole to suggest that he could
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: be one of the best players at his position. And
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: I think Zach Bond said it best in the locker
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: room after the game.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: He doesn't even know.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: What he's doing yet, really, he said, he's still figuring
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: it out. He's still new to the position, and you're
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: seeing the impact that he's having on the field, And
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: I think I go back to something else, Zach Baond said.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: When joh Hot Campbell gave.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: Up that seventy two yard wheel route off the left
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: sideline where he was matching and carrying Bucky Irving for
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: about seven seconds because there was no pressure.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: Zach Bond told him on the sideline.
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: He goaes, Okay, you got twenty seconds to think about
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: that and be mad at yourself, and then you got
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: to let it go. Because Bond said that if that
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: happened to him and his rookie year, he said, that
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: would have ruined me for the rest of the game.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: But for Jahad Kam would have come back in that
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: game and later make an interception that was key, and
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: that win I think tells you about his mental resolve.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Secondary wise, Andrew, because we've it's we all know about
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Cooper Dejine who you mentioned. Okay, Jeorgy Jackson did not
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: play well before that, But to me and people could
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: say whatever they want about Khey Ringo, We've been very
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: critical of Ringo's play since he was drafted, and we
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: know what happened in training camp, but I give him
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: credit for this. This it's I I know Mike Evans
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: was out, but this is a start where he needed
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: he got. They had nobody else. Parry Nicholson round up playing,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: but he's not nice. You can't use some as a starter.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: Ringo's got good size. We know it could run. There
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: are issues with stiffness. We've talked about this now for
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: three years, but he held up. Okay, Vic talk, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: know they didn't throw it to him. But what you
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: were at the game, what did Ringo look like to you?
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: I think Keey Ringo deserves some credit here because going
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: into this game it was widely expected. I think we
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: were all a little surprised that Baker Mayfield didn't challenging
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: more in coverage, and Keithley Ringo was even surprised that
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: he wasn't throwing up. Yeah, but you know, Vic Vanjo
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: said he was sticky in coverage, but the tackling has
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: to be better because that was there.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: There was two or three times where he failed to.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Wrap up a ball carrier, and you may ask yourself,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: well he's so proficient in doing so on special teams,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: there's not always that correlation. And I think the more
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: that he plays, he'll be better at that. He's big,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: he's about six two, two hundred pounds, but look, the
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: teams are eventually going to start the challenge him. And
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: I thought it was very telling that today, when asked
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: about is there a potential that Kiey Ringo could usurp
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Dori Jackson at that second corner opposite queiy On Mitchell
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: and Vic Vanjo said, it's possible.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, it's interesting about that that whole thing,
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Andrew when you look at if Fangio and how he
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: thinks you can't you can't, like if you if you
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: put together Okay, what's what do I want Accordner to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: look like? It looks like Ringo, Like if you drop
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: a shorter six one and a half two hundred pounds
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: long could run. But he's got issues. So there's a
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: reason why he dropped to the fourth right, But I
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: think you see there's something in him as a fourth corner.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: There's some upside and quite frankly at this point, Denver's
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: coming in. We'll talk about them later in the show.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Denver is very They're one of the deepest teams at receiver.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: They've got Courtland Sutton who can play, Marvin ms Mims
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: who could run, Troy Franklin who play with Bonus at
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Argon who could run that matchup. We'd actually worry me more,
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: to be honest with you.
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think and you and I have and
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: Jeff have outlined this for three years now. He struggles
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: in transition with the fluidity and that's where if you
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: look at what a Dori Jackson brings there, Keiley doesn't.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: It's simply just the fluid. The fluidity.
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: He's a fluid mover and he has good change of
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: direction in short area of quickness. But but Keieley has
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the physicality and I think the more that he plays
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: he can potentially be serviceable. But he's gonna face a
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: stiff challenge this week against the Broncos for the reason
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: which you outline.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: All right, right after this break, we're gonna take an
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: inside look at the Eagles next opponent on the Denver
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Broncos blowing out the Bengals on Monday night.
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  Speaker 2: And thankfully it's gonna be one Eastern game on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: Barring a change in and of course it's that'd be
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  Speaker 2: one Eastern game. The Broncos who just won. They blew
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  Speaker 2: out the Bengals at home. They lost to in a row,
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  Speaker 2: but they are a deep team. What are your thoughts
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: on this matchup? Initially here this was.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: The game when the schedule came out at him, I
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: circled Week five really as a game that I believe
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: that that's that was where they're going to find their identity.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: Who the Eagles are, what direction they're headed, because as
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: he's as a talent, calendar turns to October. That's where
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: you get a better sense. And I thought that this
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: matchup presents a unique challenge for the Eagles. You talk
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: about them being deep at wide receiver. Bo Knicks hasn't
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: necessarily played particularly well, but he vic Fango today sort
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: of compared him to Baker Mayfield. He said, I wouldn't
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: be surprised if that's Baker Mayfield's brother and compared him stylistically.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: So that's a player that you have to account for,
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: especially his ability to create yards with his legs. And
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: their defense is solid. Look, Patsertan, the corner is among
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: the best in the NFL. And I mean for an
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: offense that's struggling, especially in the passing game, that's something
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: I'm certainly going to be keeping an eye on.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: From a matchup standpoint. With Denver coming in here. You
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: know Sean Payton, we know they're kind of a balanced team.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: They will run the ball. They actually run the best
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: they have in three years. Peyton has been there against Cincinnati.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But you know the receiver corps there, we know the
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: Eagles have a problem Cord opposite Mitchell. They shockingly other
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: than the bust whatever you want to call it. When
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: mccuba's when a Booka scored the seventy seven yard touchdown,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: it's kind of fluky because it wasn't really designed. It
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: was just scrambled drill, yeah, play broke down. How do
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: you think the match up against the Broncos receiver group?
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean we talked about kie Ringo.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: That's that's somebody that I'm expecting bow Knicks and Sean Payton,
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: who by the way, is a really good offensive mind.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna target him.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: And I don't think you worry so much about Quinna
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Mitchell and Cooper Degen. But there's also the youth movement
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: that you have to take into account. Drew mccuba very
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: high football IQ, but you saw he was partially victimized
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: on that egg Buka play.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: Someone like Sean Payton who.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Does have that you know, advanced offensive mind, they're going
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: to target someone like a mccuba or a Kielee Ringo
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: or try to maybe isolate.
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: You Hot Campbell in space.
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: But you know, you know, big picture, I do like
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: that matchup for Philadelphia.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Let's talk true mccuba.
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Drewe mccooba was a guy that was drafted to replaced
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Garder Johnson CJ.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Garder Johnson, who was released, by the way by the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Texans last week. It's crazy how things work out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: But Drew mccuba, your thoughts on his play so far,
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: what did you see in the offseason program and overall,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: what kind of player could this be?
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: For the Eagles, for the future.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: He keeps getting better at him confident player, one who
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: has accepted coaching. Vic Vangio hasn't minced words, as he
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: never does, but he didn't mince words even dating back
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: to Week one about mccouba.
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: You know, he played okay.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: He said, there's a couple of busting coverage and what
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: did mccuba do the second the next week against the Chiefs,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: he has a big interception and he played a lot better.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: I mean, coming out of Texas, I had him graded
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: very highly. He was my third rated safety in the
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: class because of the football intellect, the versatility, the ball skills,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: and to me, that was the quintessential vicvangioe safety if
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: you look back on the history of what he traditionally
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: looks for there. But in training camp he didn't play
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: a lot. He didn't have a lot of opportunities with
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: the first team because he had the shoulder injury that
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: sidelined him for a while. He had the hamstring But
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: I think that it really speaks to how confident vic
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Vangio was because he deployed him as the Week one
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: starter and hasn't looked back, and then coming off the
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Bucks game, it was all Drew mccoubat safety. There was
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: no longer a rotation. I think Sidney Brown played one
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: defensive snap. So that that tells you even if Facvangio
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: himself well.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's wow, tells you.
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: That tells you he's going to help hum.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that they're they're getting more confidence with what
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: he's been able to do and what he can handle.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: All right, So one thing I do want to talk
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: about with with this with this Seagles defense is when
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: you look at this matchup and we know that that
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Denman will get the defense, We'll switch the other side
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: of the ball in a minute. When you look at
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: the skill level. You mentioned Jihad Campbell, right, we know
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: about Jalen Carter being a great player, but I look
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: at Denver's skill positions. Okay, we mentioned receivers Evan Ingram,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: is there a pass catch at tenant? Who's a really
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: good athlete, pretty good offensive line? This this team, and
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you were talking about this might be a litmus test
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: or see with the Eagles identities where they're at.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is a game and I know
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: it's home. This is a game where the Eagles defense
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: might have it. They might have a little bit of
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: a problem.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this is gonna be I look at
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: this as a measuring stick because it's a pretty balanced team.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: And Josh Grizzard, the offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers. He's
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: young and I guess he's inexperienced, but Sean Payton isn't.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: And they're gonna know how to how to exploit what
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: the Eagles are looking to do defensively. And he knows
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: mcvangoe very well by the way, Sean Payton, So this
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: is a This is a big time matchup. I have
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: questions about the Eagles offensive line in this one as well,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: because they're they're banged up, especially along the interior.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: So I'm not quite sure that this is going to
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: be the week.
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: Where Sakuon Barkle is would to get going, which puts
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: the onus on the passing game to get going in
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: a hurry, and they haven't shown through four games that
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: they can be consistent from quarter one through quarter four.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Let's switch the other side of football, Andrew. Let's let's
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: talk about the Eagles offense and the Broncos defense.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: Unido Nick Benito, who's their star edge rusher.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: He just got a big extension, But there's so much
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: going on with that football team. What do you think
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: about Denver's defense matching up against the Eagles offense.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I like Denver's defense. They're tough, they're hard nose, they
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: fly to the football. The Eagles offense, I'm not exactly
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: sure what they're looking to accomplish offensively in terms of
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: their personality, their identity. They We've seen signs of life
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: in the Rams game.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: Late in that one.
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: In the first half of that Buccaneers game, Kevin Potulo
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: in the Eagles offense.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Was extremely aggressive. They were creative.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: They had plays off of the push play that I
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: thought caught the an aggressive Bucks defense napping. But this
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: is this is a game where they can't afford to
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: get conservative, because I do believe that that's where you
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: can fall behind it against a team like this who
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: is equipped to score and make plays defensively. So it
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: behooves the Eagles to get off to a fast start,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but not only get off to a fast start, but
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: maintain that.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: All Right, we got to talk about the running game.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: It's been dreadful. I we knew there was no way
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: Barker would be as good as last year. It's impossible virtually,
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: But Mike, I cannot believe how bad the running game is.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: What give us your thoughts? Why isn't better?
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Sakuon Barker is averaging three point one
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: yards per carry, fifteen to fifty nine point three yards
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: per game. I look at it from a number of
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: different perspectives here, because there's whenever you see some area,
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: whether it's the receiving element or the running games, there's
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: always multiple factors.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: That are contributing to it.
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: The offensive line, the interior, Landon Dickerson, banged up, Cam
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Jurgens he had back surgery in the offseason, and I
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: didn't get a ton of work throughout training camp. Sure,
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: then you look at Tyler, he was bagged up in
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: the game, playing through something. Lane Johnson has been, you know,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: dealing with things the past few weeks.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: I mean they're banged up there.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: For one, they're not generating the same push that they
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: normally do from the interior. Saquon Barkway to me, watching
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: the games over the past really two or three weeks,
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: I think it's fair to wonder whether or not he's
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: pressing at times. And Kevin Patoula kind of elluded, so
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: making sure you're not forcing things and when things aren't there.
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: And remember there's truck sized holes that he had last season,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: and he's used to sort of finding the crease and
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: accelerating for big chunks and they're not there. So I
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: think sometimes maybe you can see a little frustration kick in.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: Speaking of that, Andrew, think about this. This is an
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: unbelievable number so yards before contact, which basically means, just
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: like it sounds, what his yards before contact was four
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: yards per four yards, Okay, that means he's not getting
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: touched until it hits four yards. Okay, this year it's
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: about one seven. Oh, that's really bad. Now that I'm sorry,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I'm not blaming Jeff Staltlin, but that's a kneemic like.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: That, and for somebody of that caliber.
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't I'm not one who looks at
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: the workload that he got last year as a byproduct
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: of why he's not necessarily being able to find the
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: same success. I think that's not correct. You can look
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: at the offensive line play. I also think schematically there's
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: things that the Eagles can do differently. They run a
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: lot of twelve personnel, but I think maybe going more
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: eleven personnel, getting another passing option on the field, but
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: also spreading the team.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: Spreading the defense.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Out and giving him more space to work with could
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: serve them well. When the offensive line is not playing
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: particularly well and it's not there, you have to try
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: something different to be able to spring Saquon. I also,
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: and you and I have talked about this, I wonder
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: if the Eagles would consider utilizing Cameron Lattu when they
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: do go to twelve personnel, who is very physical at
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the point of attack, to maybe add another dimension to
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: that run game because he can drive players off the
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: ball and maybe that helps with creating some space too.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: You mentioned something to me about Kim Watts's probably the
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: first time we talked about it man three four weeks ago.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: Didn't you say he stoned somebody in.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: Turning to Joe Hot Campbell? How he stone like Joehi Campbell.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: He was beating tight ends, whether it was Calkatara, Nick Muse.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: He got Calcatarra multiple times, but he was just attacking downhill,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: throwing his launching his body in there and really blowing
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: up plays. But they put in Latso and Lot two
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: didn't get a ton of reps in practice, he was
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: the fifth or sixth tight end. To put things into perspective,
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: but they plugged him in. Campbell tried the same thing
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: and lots of stone them and it was at a standstill.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: So that made my notebook clearly.
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: And then he did it later on in practice with
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: I think another linebacker. And I started to go back
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: and go through my notes from the draft that year,
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: and I had physicality as underlined as one of his
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: predominant traits. And you see, he was new to the
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: position because he entered Alabama's an outside linebacker, transitioned to
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: tight end, had some trouble being off sides and things
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: like that, eventually earn the trust of Nick Saban. So
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: he's sort of growing into that role a little bit.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And now he's doubling as a fallback as well.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: And look he's you see him offset. But what they've
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: got to do, Andrew, Let's get Calcultar.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Out of playing in the line. He can't block anyone
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: in line.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: He can't do he can't do it. And a lot too.
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: I should also mention played more snaps this week than
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: Kylin Granson, which is interesting, which is for the first
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: time this season. So I think that that's something also
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: to keep an eye on.
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: All right when we come back, Andrew, it was coordinator
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  Speaker 2: day at Novacare.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: All three of them spoke.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: There's some interesting stuff that you metro Vic fangerw will
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  Speaker 2: get in his stuff.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: And you knew that Kevin Batula was.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Going to be on the grill, that he was gonna
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: get asked about what happened in the second half. And
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Michael Clay he's not. He's not the scapegoat anymore. It's
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: been a couple of years, man, he and what could
• 38:45
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  Speaker 2: We talked about It's den for week an AFC opponent
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  Speaker 2: one sixty two. It was coordinator to day so Eagles
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: for decades under the coordinators speak on Tuesdays. All right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Vic Fangio, he's the best. I love Vic Man really
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: hides on anything. Give us a Cliffton's version of what
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: he said today.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Well, he was asked about the busted coverage play the
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: Igbuka seventy seven yard touchdown, and his answer was bad play.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: He didn't really elaborate on that, but he did mention
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: that there it's possible that those were his words, that
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: Keeley Ringo could potentially unseat Adorri Jackson as the second
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: corner opposite Queenyon Mitchell. In terms of Azzo Jalari, he
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: mentioned that him being inactive for the first four games
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: was directly attributed to his inability to play special teams
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: or I guess the fact that he hasn't played it
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: throughout his career, but there was. He mentioned Quanyon Mitchell
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: as well, that he thought that that was the best
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: game that he's played as a pro. And I think
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: we should talk a little bit about Quinnon Mitchell and
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: how he continues to grow within that defense and really
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: starting to creep up towards the NFL's top players at
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: his position. But when you get that kind of praise
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: from someone like Vic Vangio. I mean that that's certainly
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: not something that he that should be taken lightly.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: In fact, I say with Vic Fangil, he throws around
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: complients like I don't know, manhole covers.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's just he's he's a funny guy.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: He's reminds me of Jim Johnson, a little bit more crusty,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: the late great Jim Johnson. But the thing is, I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: would he gives out so much good information. You know,
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: it's rare in today's NFL er. This is my twenty
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: seventh year of cover the NFL. It's very rare now
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: that coaches give you anything, even.
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: Assistance like get some give you a couple of tibets.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: This guy's look the best I've seen and sometimes, I
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: mean he doesn't usually give overly expansive answers, but there's
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: a lot in those answers that are extremely telling. And
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: I guess over the last year and some change, you
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: learn how to speak Vic and see what he's trying
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: to say.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I got it.
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: But other times he's more blunt, and I think that
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: that is certainly a useful tool for what we do.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And I'm much appreciated.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: But I what I've noticed from this from this defense,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: to take this even a step further, is the collective
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: development that you see from all three levels. They have
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: a really exceptional group of assistant coaches. Bobby King, linebacker's coach,
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Christian Parker, who I believe will be a future defensive
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: coordinator coaching the defensive.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Backs right now. And the list goes on and on.
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: But there's no it should be no surprise that when
• 43:59
  Speaker 3: you look at the defense in which Fanjoe presides over,
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: that they continue to make strides each week.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to Kevin Patulo. You knew what
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: was coming, and they should. You should ask them the
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: first questions about what happened in the second half. Kevin
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: his answer, give us your pinion. I don't think he
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: said much.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I transcribed it on my ex account
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: and I went back and read it and reread it again,
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: and I couldn't exactly glean much from that. It seemed like,
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you know, he definitely tipped the hat to some of
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the tough defenses that they played over the first four
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: weeks and said that it's good to experience that early
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: in the season and mentioned that it's sort of a
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: learning process, but that sometimes if they look at their approach,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: whether it's you know, being more creative in the second
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: half or making making adjustments on the fly in the
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: first half to counter what the defenses are doing. But
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: he also talked about AJ Brown and his communication. He
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: said they're in constant communication and just that they have
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: a good relationship and that's not really a surprise. Aj
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: has been very vocal in his support of Batulo since
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: he was appointed as the offensive coordinator. So, yeah, I
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: mean there's we talked about the running game. We talked
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: a lot about that, and he he mentioned a lot
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: of what he talked about last week about trying to
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: see what they can do as a coaching staff to
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: create more space and have things blocked up a little
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: bit better and try to really expand that. But other
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: than that, not not a ton to dissect from what
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: he had to say.
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into that before we get to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Michael Klay. So their offense has been wildly inconsistent.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: You see some stuff like the first week you were
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: there for the Tampa Bay game.
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, I should also say sure that
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: play those plays to goddards had been.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: You know something that they've been sitting on for their
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: old years.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: There the shovel pass.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: I think every team has it in their in their
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: arsenal and their playbook, but sometimes you have to bring
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: it out. Let's take an overview of Batullo. You've covered
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: him now for a number of years. He's moved up
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: now he's the coordinator. He's also calling the plays. Some
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: coordinators don't call the place, but he is. What are
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: your thoughts on this guy?
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: I like KP.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I think he's a sharp offensive mind. He's I mean,
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: folks have to remember he just called this fourth game. Ever,
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: at the pro level, there's going to be growing pains
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: despite the star study cast that they have offensively. And
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I think you've seen, whether it's the Cowboys game where
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: they score three consecutive drives, whether it's the Chiefs game
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: where there were opportunities for an explosive play had it
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: been blocked up better on the initial play the head
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: aj Brown streaking down the field, that thirteen yard touchdown
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: run that Saquon Barkley had had it been further back,
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: that's a fifty yard run. They had it really well
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: blocked up, and there's nothing but green grass in front
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: of them, so you see the ability for him to
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: be able to do this and conjure up plays. Now
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: it's just about being more consistent, being more aggressive. But
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the Eagles philosophical approach, as you know Adam, is to
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: be protect the football, play things a little close to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: the best one necessary. And I mean I think that
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: you learn a little bit about yourself the first four
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: weeks of the season and knowing that you can't afford
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: to take your foot off the guest. Kevin's learning just
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: as everyone else on that unit's learning, and whether or
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: not you want to acknowledge it or not, September is
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: an extension of the preseason. I do believe that they're
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: going to find their way. This is two talents of
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: an offense and they'll they'll they'll get better and learn
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: from it.
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: Why do you think it is an extension of the preseason.
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: Because I think getting practice time is a lot different
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: than getting getting reps in a game setting where you
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: have to deal with the communication, You have to deal
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: with getting in and out of the huddle and the operation,
• 47:30
  Speaker 3: and there are certain things you can't replicate from a
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: coordinator from a play cars perspective, crowd noise, the intensity,
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: the environment, and the flow of the game. In practice,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: you dictate what you're doing, but in the game you
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: have to be able to counter what defenses are doing.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: And I think for a first time coordinator, it's fair
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: to expect some.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: Of those are early growing pains.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: And I know that's not what everybody wants to hear,
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: but that's the fact that I don't that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: That's the facts of the matter exactly.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Social media that they want to a fired, banned from
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: the building, you.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: Turn to drift. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's vicious.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: But Andrew, one of the things you do for us
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: at inside inside of the Birds is you do to check
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: O daily, Yeah, where you kind of summarize kind of
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: where your thoughts are and transactions, injuries lineup, changes upon it.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: Whatever. What do we got coming from you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: Next on this, Well, I'll be doing one tonight based
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: off of my perspective of the temperature check for the offense.
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: What did I hear from the locker room and their
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: understanding of what maybe some of the issues are and
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: how they can rectify that and try to get add
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: a different perspective to that.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Andrew and I have food. I
• 48:40
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• 48:42
  Speaker 2: They have the most underrated pizza I've ever had, easily,
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: and the craft fives are incredible.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: Because I see your dip there, I know you're dying
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: to have it.
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: I've been, I've I've been eyeing it up.
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but uh, I think that the sauce on the
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: pizza is really really good, adds a nice touch to it.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't mind that it's if it gets called
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I love to call pizza, so there's nothing wrong with it.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: So let's get to Michael Clay, right, Michael Clay like
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: coming into the season, Andrew, let me ask you this
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: question if you could, it's only been five weeks. What
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: were your thoughts coming into the season, and let's reflect
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: on what it looks.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Like to you now.
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with Michael Clay, and I've had a chance to
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: talk to him obviously over the years and watch him
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: grow and of alve as a coach, I think very
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: highly of him. I think that his leadership ability, his innovation,
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: the way that he approaches that job and tries to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: find ways to exploit his ability to get starters to
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: collect to buy in to what they're doing and contribute
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: to the third phase. There's always I mean, I can't
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: say enough good things about what I've seen from him.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: And this is a coach who just a few years ago,
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: everybody wanted him gone. They didn't you know that, they
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: couldn't fathom him returning forever season. And I was not
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: of that belief, I said, because talking to players talking
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: about how.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: His vowaye resonates with them. Okay, And so I.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Think there's the outside perception they see what happens for
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: three hours, but they don't see what happens the day
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: to day, the preparation, the detail that Michael Clay really
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: commands of his unit.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: You see them that they're very crisp.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: There's not a lot of penalties, and they play with
• 50:19
  Speaker 3: a lot of energy each and every week.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Two block kicks and a block punt's ridiculous. So you're
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: looking to get that in five years, they got it
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: so far over four games.
• 50:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: Sidney Brown had a really good line about why it's
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: different here. He said, special teams are different here because
• 50:33
  Speaker 3: everybody that's on special teams has a role. So you're
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: you're working towards something and when you see somebody else
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: make a play, you want to go out there and
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: make a play too. And they know how critical the
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: third phase is and that's not something that in Philadelphia
• 50:49
  Speaker 3: they take for granted.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: No, it's not hyperbole. And I give Nick Sirianni credit.
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: He's stuck with him because he fired Brian Johnson. Okay,
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: and you know time will tell if his friend Kevin
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: Batulo works out. But yeah, it's it's interesting because this
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: team is four and oh they're only two unfitted teams.
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: And he goes play the Bills at Buffalo late in
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: the season in December.
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  Speaker 2: As we turn our attention to week six, now where
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: do you do they play that they play the Vikings?
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: Is the Giants of the Vikings Thursday night football football?
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Wow?
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: And then the Vike Uh.
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: Then it should be a home game because it's like
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: it's away home, away home.
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: They don't play back to back home games. Is that
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: the most ridiculous thing? What is that? It's absurd?
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I'm not a fan of it.
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So next week we'll be a chicken pizza Marlton,
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• 52:34
  Speaker 1: You and Jeff Mosher, you had Tray, You had Trey
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: Thomas on a couple weeks with you.
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: Right last week he was outstanding.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: What do you guys talk about?
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: We broke down a lot of offensive line play, particularly
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Fred Johnson. We talked about Tyler Steen and it really
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: aligned with my what I was able to gain a
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: glean from from watching him play and talking to people
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: that he's been he's been fine.
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: He's been fine at right guard. So I think Trey's perspective.
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: And you you know, he played the played the position
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: at a high level left tackle for the Eagles for
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: many years.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: It's sort of I guess reiterated what we're seeing.
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: And he broke down the running play, the thirteen yard
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: run the Saquon Barkley had, and how Cam Jurgens was
• 53:14
  Speaker 3: exceptional getting the second level blocking up Chiefs linebacker Drew
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: Tranquo and Tyler Steen covering up the Chamari I can't
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: remember Honhamari Connor.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: So they have it in them.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: They just need to be more consistent in that area.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: But he broke down the offensive line like no one
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: else but Trey can.
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: He is amazing. He taught us the catching technique that
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: Jeff Stallin has.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Trey was an assistant offensive line coach, uh for what
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: maybe like what what I forget?
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: He would he worked with the Chiefs too, Yeah.
• 53:42
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