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UFO and alien disclosure is a central intel psyop - Matt Ehret | Jerm Warfare · UK Column Radio

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So you are like a wealth of knowledge.
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I think that sometimes all that knowledge just gets the better
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of you, doesn't it? dude.
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None, At the water cooler.
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Do you think aliens exist? Do I think, I think that there
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is a lot we don't know in this big beautiful universe of ours
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that probably I would. I would be surprised to find out
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that that life has not emerged in other solar systems and
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possibly even cognitive life and possibly self aware life maybe
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has emerged in different parts of our universe.
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There's billions of galaxies and each Galaxy has billions of, of
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Suns. And most of those Suns have
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planets. And God knows, you know, But I
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think that at this point, everything that we've been told
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about how to think about aliens is horseshit, for lack of a
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better word. And I'm sorry for the language
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for your, your, your younger audience members out there.
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I think we're being lied to pretty heavily about the story
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of ETS as far as how it's being promoted by our our
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congressional investigations through the hearings on ET
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disclosure from the government and Hollywood films and most
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documentaries and books that we've been fed over the past 70
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years, really since the the opening of the Cold War.
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I think it's garbage. One of the problems that we have
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faced is that we have allowed, since the murder of John F
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Kennedy to we've allowed for a death cult that's committed to
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reducing world population levels down to something much more
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so-called manageable, maybe less than a billion or so.
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We've permitted that ideology to come in in a big way into our
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Western society, which formerly enjoyed a belief in
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technological and scientific progress and a general faith
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that we could and it was natural to make life better for
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ourselves and our children and grandchildren by leaving
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something better behind. By building big projects that
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that were magnificent. You know, things like the the
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New Deal projects, the John F Kennedy projects for
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electrification, building big infrastructure and having goals
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for the future that also involved, as John FK.
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John F Kennedy had pointed out, a mandate to go to the stars and
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to go beyond the horizons of the unknown and always expand human
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economic influence into the universe more broadly, which was
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a big driving force that made him a lot of enemies.
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And that after he died, you know, there was a a systematic
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attack on all of those things that pushed us, that was
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allowing us to make a creative leaps outside of the limits of
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our existence. Specifically the space program
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as well as his investments in programs into nuclear power,
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fusion power, fusion propulsion, which was an offshoot of the
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fusion energy programs that JFK had endorsed.
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All these things were cut down by this Malthusian takeover of
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the US establishments, as well as Europe more broadly and the
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Commonwealth. And, and what we saw is just the
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shut, the, the incapacitation of our ability to physically move
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beyond the limits of the earth. And, and as we did this to
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ourselves, we, I mean, like literally we, we fell into the
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trap and we started adapting to limits.
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We became more imperial. And now we're like 50-60 years
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into this insanity And all that we have is an idea of what
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spaces is no longer optimistic. It's all based on that's the
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place where you go to to get killed by aliens.
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That's the the the abyss where nobody can hear you scream.
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And all of these hot CIA funded Hollywood films have been
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shaping our collective dream, our collective psyche and
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zeitgeist about what is space typically is a bad thing, a
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scary thing. And, and it's, it's I think done
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a lot of damage to create a, an environment mentally whereby a
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lot of narratives have been seated that showcase that
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nefarious or benevolent alien beings have been actually
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colluding with our governments for many, many decades.
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And other things that are becoming more mainstream, taught
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in universities and promoted even on on mainstream science
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magazines and and documentaries that are being pummelled into
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our face. On top of the acceleration of,
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you know, Hollywood films that are also feeding into the same
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idea of, well, you know, maybe day-to-day.
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JFK was killed because he was trying to reveal the truth about
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aliens. And that's why the CIA had to
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kill him because he was a security threat.
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And now is the time for the big reveal where our new alien
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overseers or gods who have been watching over us in the distance
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will now make, you know, they're going to come out of the closet
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in a big disclosure operation. So that's that's sort of, I
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think driving people nuts. So the UFO disclosure is a
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psychological operation is what you're saying?
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Why? I think that there's multiple
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levels of intention or effects that are all part of There's
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multiple effects that are the outcomes of this operation that
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all play a role that that we shouldn't try to get into the
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idea of like, what is it this or is it this or is it this?
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Like, is it to create a distraction while we're looking
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away from, let's say, a reorganization of the world in a
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in a manner that might restore some form of techno feudalism or
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destructions of the lives of of many people who otherwise could
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be saved if we were paying more attention, including our own?
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Yeah. But I think part of it is a
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distraction. I think is it the question of is
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it to create a, a new control mechanism for a new set of
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religions or a new revamping, rebranding of religions that
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might, let's say, desire or might involve the overthrow of
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the conventional Abrahamic faiths in favor of a new, a new
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revision of the, the, the sort of institutions, traditional
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institutions that have held sway for the past 2000 years around a
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new idea of gods, in this case ET, gods that might take the
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form of angels. Where angels and demons once
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played a certain role in our psyche as being the supernatural
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influences, not now. Maybe it'll be the aliens that
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are disembodied entities in some cases and some in other cases.
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And that's so I think that there is an effort to create a new
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world religion accommodated for different peoples, different
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different psyches of different cultural groups around the world
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who will be shown perhaps using holograms.
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You know, we have things like Project Bluebeam and other
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operations that have been revealed over the many over the
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last 30 to 30 or 40 years that have been pretty well developed,
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which can create persuasive imagery in the skies that a
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physical object that is actually a hologram is is being seen.
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Whether it takes the form of, you know, holograms of Jesus in
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the clouds that they've shown over the skies of Brazil and
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other South American countries. Maybe it'll have a little bit of
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that twist for a slightly more Catholic audience.
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Maybe it'll have a, a slightly more secular imagery for Asian
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audiences that are a bit more Confucian in their mindset, who
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would, who might see just images of cities over the skies of
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China, as has been projected a couple of years back.
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Just to give people a sense that maybe there are these, these
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other dimensions. And maybe for, for societies
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that are much more atheistic and, you know, shaped by Steven
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Spielberg movies, it might take the form of, of flying saucers
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and tic tac, tic tac objects in the skies that might be shown to
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us. While at the same time our
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governments are working to present admissions of, of having
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worked with these aliens that perhaps landed, crash landed in
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Roswell and other places in New Mexico, usually around military
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bases over 70 years ago. And that we've been colluding
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with receiving information from about how to build technology,
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maybe reverse engineering their, their spacecraft.
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So a lot of things like that, I think are being told.
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So I think that there's multiple reasons why this sort of thing
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happens. Also, I'd say possibly you could
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say maybe to, to, to also psych out Russia and China to other,
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other enemies of the United States who might be told, hey,
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it's not us launching attacks against you.
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This is me speculating, right? It's not us in the West.
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It's not the US military industrial complex launching an
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attack on you. It must be these aliens who are
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launching the attack on you. It's not us, it's them.
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So maybe there's an element to that too.
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You know, I could think of a number of reasons why this might
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be put forth. How far back does this psyop go?
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I think it goes in the form that it's taken in our current
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society. I think that the psyop goes back
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to the earliest days of the Cold War when you had certain
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sightings over Washington that were made by a pilot who saw
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certain things that nobody else saw, but he saw them and he
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reported them. And this happened about two
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weeks before Roswell. You know, something happened
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when something crashed in Roswell, NM, near a, a military
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base. And, and you had again, a report
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put forth that this was a flying saucer, a flying disc of some
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sort. Now in the documentary series
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that I've done with my wife Cynthia, we've done 4 episodes
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of the Hidden Hand Behind UFOs, where we go through the history
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and the evolution of this, of this narrative.
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And we sort of pull apart the, these different stories.
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Is there actual evidence behind the idea that that there was
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some sort of a flying saucer that landed that crash and
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landed in 1947 in in June? There's there's evidence that
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something experimental did craft crash, but what?
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As we make the point, it probably had more to do with the
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ongoing secret science program that had been maintained even
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after World War 2 that took the form originally of the Manhattan
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Project and that continued on under a new form after World War
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Two. Though we were told the
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Manhattan Project was was ended, it was never ended.
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It simply metastasized like a hydra and took on a variety of
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different new forms, one of which being the the Battle of
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the mind MK Ultra that grew out of the former Manhattan Project,
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the secret science program that develops LSDDMTA lot of the
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silocybins and then started infusing that into the, the the
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the population as a whole, especially targeting the young
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baby boomers who had been born after 1945.
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But also another aspect was, you know, you had weather
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modification programs also being developed using the same
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infrastructure of the Manhattan Project.
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And another one involved a lot of the the hidden tech, the the
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development of aerospace technologies by the Nazis and
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the the Italians that had an advanced flying saucer program
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using alternative pathways to building flying machines that
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didn't involve a lot of the conventional technologies that
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we had been accustomed to in the West.
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Specifically the works of of of Schauberg, Victor Schauberger,
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the Horton brothers and others that had been absorbed into
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project paper clip and into, you know, the US program.
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Is it possible that some of those early aircraft did did
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crash as they were doing tests? Yeah, I think that that's a
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possible theory. But the point is early on, Allen
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Dulles and a number of social psychologists who were tied to
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Tavistock, the British Psychological Warfare Bureau,
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basically that that still is very influential in the whole
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gender realignment theories of the plaguing our Western society
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today. They were they were they were
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very active in shaping MK Ultra and shaping U.S. intelligence
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and Ellen Dulles was directly interfacing with many of these
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psychiatrists. 1 psychologist as well who was playing a very big
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role in the crafting the weaponization of the new legends
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around UF OS and UFO gods was Carl Jung who is an OSS
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operative who directly was interfacing and advising Ellen
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Dulles in and wrote a book on flying saucers of modern myth as
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a manual for trick for psychological warfare against
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the population as a whole. So these these were things
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already early on in the 1940s that were already being used to
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replace the former enemy of Nazism with a new enemy as an
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organizational principle to accommodate also our fear of the
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Russians and the Chinese and the commies.
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There was this already being baked into the psyche as a lever
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of of control. And then new stories, new myths
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were were cooked in over many generations.
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And it usually involves an occult network that is tied to a
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certain Rosicrucian Satanic agency that's also been baked
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into the US governing intelligence establishment
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that's been maintaining this thing as well.
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So that's something we also touch upon throughout our 4
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episodes that we've made public so far.
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What's interesting about this whole alien narrative is that
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it's definitely a societal vulnerability because it's
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unknown. And whenever something's
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unknown, it's very easy to feed fear into that.
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And humans have been thinking about this for thousands of
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years, so it seems like a great way to kind of control.
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Yes, it does. And it's, well, I think that the
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unknown is always a place where the, the oligarchy enjoys
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playing in that realm beyond the Borderlands of knowledge.
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That's actually one of the early theosophical journals.
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And I and the Theosophists play a very big role, an organization
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that was hatched in the 1875 period by, but I'm Blavatsky,
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which had a number of major high level occultists.
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I, I think it's really the, the, the, the scientific and, or the,
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the, the religious engineering institute, that of the British
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Empire that was created in order to capture the, the, the, not
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just the, the minds, but really the souls of society.
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After the US Civil War again, 1875 and, and there the magazine
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did 2 magazines. 1 was officially called Lucifer
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Publishing. Basically, it was designed to
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usher in the age of, of Aquarius, the age of Lucifer,
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the Lightbringer as a new age for mankind.
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That's the the origins of a lot of the modern new age that has
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contaminated almost every aspect of our culture in different ways
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in our society, both as far as shaping the the mystical occult
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undertones of the right that that influence or that
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manifested itself in a certain way with national socialistic
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organization in the 20s and 30s, as well as the left Bolshevik
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radical, the radical left was also being influenced very much
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by these theosophical networks. So they got all controlled sides
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of this dialectic over the last, you know, 150 years under their
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under their influence. And that's a whole show unto
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itself. But but the other thing on top
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of Lucifer was Borderlands. And part of the idea was again,
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like organizing their methods in order to control the, the
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liminal field that, that, that zone right between the conscious
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and subconscious, that really that little domain right before
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you wake up. And there's that fuzzy, am I
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dreaming or am I awake moment. That's very serious for
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religious engineers. They, that's their domain where
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they swim in because they, that's the gateway or the, the
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gatekeepers who control that the, the shamans, right?
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The, the, the storytellers that control the collective dream,
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those are the positions where they can give meaning to the,
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the symbols that we are fed and that influence our subconscious.
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That that was a big thing that that influenced Carl Jung's
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entire purpose in life, which was devoted to reviving
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Gnosticism as a replacement for the conventional Christian, you
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know, foundations of society, which he was very open about in
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his own, in his own writings throughout his entire life, was
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overthrowing Christianity and restoring a more Luciferian idea
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of Christ as a baccade alien figure and a worshipping of, of
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hedonism as the new, the new happiness.
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So, and I go through that in episode 3 of our documentary
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series. But yeah, the, the, the, the
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questions of, of like, well, what are the, the, these, these
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supernatural entities, these Imps, these, these elves that
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different cultures have in their folklore.
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You know, there's different, different folk tales in
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throughout all of Europe and the Black Forest and Bohemian and
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everywhere of different creatures that will occasionally
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come in and steal your children, that will, that will make your
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wife disappear in the middle of the night, that do rituals in
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the forests. And there have been, I think
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that part of what we, these stories have are the effects of
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are the very real existence of a very tightly organized and yet
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loosely expressed movement of black magic, of witch covens, of
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warlocks, of things that have been maintained continuously
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since the days of ancient Rome. Even before Christianity
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emerged, there were these institutions of black magic
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that, you know, will take on different clothes at different
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times, but always have a common mandate that requires certain
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very evil rituals to be done, some of which involve human
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sacrifice. Some of, you know, involve very
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bad things to children. And I think that a lot of more
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primitive peoples centuries ago didn't know how to describe
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these scary things and, and gave them labels like, again, Pixies
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and fairies and elves and other things which have very, very,
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they're, you know, they're, they're not as cute as they've
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been rebranded in our, in our 20th century.
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There's some scary stories of what these things were.
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And I think that the oligarchy enjoys colouring how we perceive
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these supernatural things on the offskirts or outskirts of, of
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known society in the consciousness.
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And I think that that's also a big thing that's been done in
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the UFO rebranding thing today is that there's a big push for
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acknowledging. And again, this is using the the
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the the the narrative both of Carl Jung but also of Jacques
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Valet and. JL and Hynek, the advisor to
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Steven Spielberg, as well as somebody who was very
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influential in George Lucas's development.
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These were two gentlemen who have been playing a big role in
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crafting the the UFO disclosure movement.
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And both of them have put forth back in the 1960s this idea that
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aliens are actually interdimensional.
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They're not from our dimension, they're from other dimensions,
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and they could bounce in and out.
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Why they need technology like flying saucers to do that, I
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don't really know. But they're basically saying
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that they're more, they're beings that have been with us
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this for since since the start of humankind, that they probably
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created humankind, that they're mostly nefarious.
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War of the Worlds is another one, yeah, that HG Wells put
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forth. And yeah, I mean, a lot of this
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also follows the the program of, yeah, HG Wells, the the leading
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eugenicist Fabian Society leader who put forth the whole program
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of how to organize society around a fear of, yeah, the
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unknown of, of the extraterrestrials coming in to
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attack us. And all of his his films and
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were his books that became films largely push on the same moral
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of the story, which is to nudge human beings towards this notion
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that unless we organize ourselves around one world
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government, we won't be able to protect ourselves from these
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entities. And it's because we don't have
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one world government and organization that we suffer from
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these entities. And his non fiction books also
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showcase, I think the same mandate where all of his work on
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the New world order, his work on the world brain, the open
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conspiracy all informed the work of Jacques Valet and others, you
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know, decades later and continue to exert influence on the techno
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feudal reset that's being pushed and gained out right now by a
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lot of theosophically minded Silicon Valley billionaires who
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believe in a new drug driven religion.
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Because they also want to, they have a certain type of of set of
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rituals that they want us to adopt to accept this new new
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world religion that they're preparing, which involves doing
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a lot of sacred drugs, whether it's of the DMT, the psilocybin
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variety. And you'll find that the same
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institutions that we're funding and, and organizing the UFO
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stories since 1947 were also simultaneously the same agencies
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funding the development and application and promotion of,
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of, of drugs, specifically of the psilocybin variety and also
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LSD to help us tap into and experience these angelic beings
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more directly. And that involves Terence
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McKenna and and many others who are receiving the same funding
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from Lawrence Rockefeller, the same Lawrence Rockefeller that
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was bankrolling Steven Greer and, you know, Robert Bigelow
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and Linda Moulton Howe. That's the scene.
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Robert Bigelow isn't. Steven Grid, isn't he doing the
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rounds? He's he's been doing the rounds
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for a while. Yeah.
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He, he emerged out of the Human Potential Foundation program
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that was an an offshoot of Esalen, which had received a, a
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massive amount of support and patronage by Lawrence
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Rockefeller. He's part of Lawrence
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Rockefeller's famous ranch meeting in 1993 where the new
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acceleration of the disclosure operation was put into motion
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with the emergence of Bill Clinton and and Hillary into the
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White House, who immediately started meeting with Lawrence
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Rockefeller. People could see pictures of
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that and and Steven Greer was given a certain mandate to play
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his role in shaping the the psyche of the the the masses
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around this notion. What his particular narrative
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was that the aliens are good benevolent beings that we could
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interface with through mass meditation groups, usually in
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the forests. So basically set up a network of
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global cults that would do very theosophical things like, you
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know, collective vibrations and putting out good energy to
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receive or call forth invoke the emergence of our alien saviors.
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Other other figures like David Icke were also developed and
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deployed around that same time to play another another
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narrative in that dialectic. Of course, David Icke was
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pushing the notion that the alien overlords were actually
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evil lizard people sucking our fear energy.
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But ultimately the the prescription of how to deal with
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the the either good or evil alien entities from another
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dimension lording over us is the same thing.
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Try to feel good, put out good vibes, try to avoid feeling bad.
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That's, that's how to that's how to help your enemies is by
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feeling bad. So try to feel good and like the
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idea of feelings became the the way everybody wants to feel
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good. Nobody wants to feel bad.
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So that kind of appeals to to add a revolutionary spin to that
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is a great way to hypnotize and pacify a big chunk of the
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population that could otherwise be doing something much more
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useful with their time as far as identifying the actual death
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cult, satanic oligarchy that wants to kill us.
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Instead of doing that, we're, you know, we find ourselves
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absorbed, you know, in meditation groups.
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Try to, you know, Yeah, again, just positive make, make this
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thing just disappear through positive vibes, which which is
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not good. One of the things that you have
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research is the link between the CIA and and Tom Delonga.
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I just I don't want to accept it are.
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You a Blink 182 fan? Yes, they were a great band.
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They were a fantastic pop punk band in the 90s and early 2000s.
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And I don't. Want to I remember?
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Just I don't want to accept that.
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I don't want to accept that Tom was was was an intelligence
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mouthpiece. Yeah, TomTom Delonge.
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Hey, you know, it's he should have just stuck with what he was
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good at now. Yeah, he, he, he was, it was a
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surprising 1 to see his to the stars Academy, which, you know,
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when you hear him speaking about the formation of this thing,
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It's, it's, it's kind of weird because you can see that he
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doesn't fully understand how he's being used or how he was
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being used. I don't know if they still are
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using him as they were a few years ago.
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I think maybe he's, he's clearly upon, he's clearly not a
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thinker, but he thinks he's a thinker.
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And that's what makes it kind of sad because he, you know, he
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makes the point that he, on all of his, his Rd. trips with his
26:41
band, he would spend all of his time reading UFO books and, and,
26:45
and UFO magazines and preparing himself.
26:48
And, and he thought he was, and he describes how he was so
26:50
special. It was made, it was revealed to
26:53
him when members from the highest echelons of the US
26:56
intelligence and military agencies and people from
26:59
Lockheed Martin and the CIA began to contact him.
27:02
Because they knew that I was special, that I was, I figured
27:06
things out on my own that nobody was supposed to figure out.
27:09
And so they recruited me to be a part of the, the, the, the new,
27:14
you know, dispensation to prepare using creativity and to
27:17
organize comic books and music videos and other things, the
27:21
psyche of the youth in order to to be receptive to what would be
27:25
the big reveal in a few years. And he's like, because I'm so
27:28
special and a poor guy, like he really thinks he's, he's super
27:31
smart and has no idea how he's being laughed at by people who
27:34
clearly just want to use him because his ego ego does seem to
27:37
be quite large. And thus he can't self examine
27:40
how something else might be going on that he doesn't
27:43
understand. But yeah, he was selected to
27:45
create this thing called the to the Stars Academy.
27:47
And I think in 2016 or 17 and one of the key figures who I
27:50
think is the real force behind it was Harold Putov, who's the
27:55
Co founder of this thing. And Putov gets us, I think, to
27:58
something a little bit more at the at the causal Nexus of this
28:01
whole operation, because he's the guy who is part of the the
28:06
the Lawrence Rockefeller, Robert Bigelow National Institute for
28:10
Discovery Science that emerged in 1993 out of that that meeting
28:13
at the the Rockefeller ranch. I was I was talking about.
28:16
And he was also one of the key figures behind Project Stargate
28:20
in the early 70s from the get go.
28:23
And he was a high level, I think 7th, 7th degree organizing,
28:29
operating Featon. So is it operating Featon seven
28:32
level? Is is Project Stargate the same
28:35
Stargate that Trump has been promoting?
28:38
I think so. I think it's I, they, they won't
28:40
admit to a direct continuity. But let me tell you, I mean,
28:44
yes, it's the same thing. They say that the original
28:46
Stargate ended in 1997 or 1998 and now this Stargate is a new
28:51
Stargate. No, I, I think what do you, what
28:54
do you look at the, the operating system, the paradigm,
28:57
what's shaping the current Stargate and you compare it to
29:00
the entire MO of the original Stargate, including many of the
29:04
players. I think it's the same thing.
29:07
You just. There's all.
29:08
Surveillance, It never really went away.
29:10
So it's all surveillance and, and, and it's done with a
29:12
mystical twist like the original Stargate actually had as its
29:18
mandate as a so it's a remote viewing project.
29:23
For those who don't know, I think it was an outgrowth of MK
29:26
Ultra after MK Ultra sort of no longer was able to maintain its
29:32
character after 197475 when a lot of the nefarious operations
29:37
of what the CIA was doing to human Guinea pigs was made
29:39
public. It it took on a a few different
29:43
expressions in the 70s, one of which I think was the Stanford
29:47
Research Institute's. So it's the Stanford Research
29:49
Institute, which is behind the original Stargate.
29:54
It the the Sri, as they call it, was directly being managed by a
30:01
network of high priests at Esalen, an organization set up
30:05
by followers of Aldous Huxley in big Sewer, California in 1961.
30:08
And basically the idea was to use a lot of theosophical
30:14
meditation techniques, psychotropic drugs, trauma based
30:19
mind control to organize clairvoyance to super soldiers
30:26
was the idea. A lot of it, it focused on
30:28
children because children are more malleable, more easy to
30:30
break, more inclined to compartmentalize.
30:32
If you can get them young enough, as Bertrand Russell
30:34
said, get the kid before they're, they're 10, you can you
30:37
can control the man later on. That's basically the Jesuit, the
30:41
Jesuit method. So they did a lot of damage to
30:46
millions and millions of human Guinea pigs.
30:49
One of the aspects of it involved the CIA operative whose
30:54
name is escaping me all of a sudden, who who had visions when
31:00
he was given an envelope of like and, and told to use his
31:03
clairvoyant remote viewing powers to see what's inside the
31:06
envelope. He had visions of Mars and with
31:10
pyramids and big tall beings and obelisks and, and inside the
31:16
envelope the what he was describing was actually it said
31:21
Mars 1,000,000 years ago was and that was supposed supposedly
31:25
proof that that became also a Hollywood movie a decade later,
31:31
which is a very good Hollywood movie, very well done, called
31:34
Stargate. That we have been seated that
31:38
our planet has been accessed by these gates, these stargates
31:42
from other beings that created, you know, Egyptian society and,
31:45
and human society more broadly. And that we can maybe access or
31:48
tap into using special highly powered super soldiers that have
31:53
Jedi mind powers and can, can, can learn to cruise the astral
31:57
planes. A big part of what Harold Putov,
32:01
I mean the fact that he was a high level Scientologist along
32:04
with Ingo Swann and there's a number of of of followers of a
32:10
figure who was self a self-proclaimed Antichrist.
32:14
That's L Ron Hubbard. He called himself the
32:16
Antichrist. He was a follower of Aleister
32:18
Crowley that he was doing radical Babylon working sex
32:22
magic rituals to usher in the Antichrist with with the Jack
32:25
Parsons in deserts of of Mexico or is it is it Arizona?
32:31
Anyway, that was absolutely what L Ron Hubbard was doing before
32:37
he created his new UFO religion. And a lot of these initiates who
32:41
would go through the degrees of initiation to rise very high,
32:44
find them found themselves over the years playing very big roles
32:46
within the US security intelligence apparatus, not the
32:50
least of which was Harold Putov. So the fact that you have these
32:54
guys dealing with again, something that you see with
32:58
Stargate as being a surveillance operation, but also that
33:00
involves things like Oracle AI. And the very notion of the
33:03
Oracle isn't just simply a technology innovation or, or a
33:07
company that's tied to Larry Ellison as a purely tech
33:09
company. The Oracle concept itself is a,
33:12
is a direct symbol of the ancient oracles that controlled
33:15
the, the world under a high priesthood in ancient, ancient
33:20
Roman, ancient Greek, ancient Etruscan periods, which I mean,
33:25
everybody, everybody had to pay homage.
33:29
If you were a king or a general, you had to pay homage to the
33:32
high priests of the Oracle at Delphi, the Pythian Oracle of
33:36
Apollo, you know, that had different sybils around the
33:39
world, in Libya and in Egypt, in all over Rome.
33:44
And these were the control mechanisms that would tell kings
33:47
and generals to go to war to make peace or to allow to
33:50
sanction a new cult or to abolish an existent movement,
33:55
let's say the Christians that had to be destroyed under the,
33:59
the mandate of the high priest that would interpret what the
34:02
Oracle was doing. So this is sort of the, the,
34:05
this is at the foundation of the necromancers that would be
34:08
special people specially endowed going back to the the ancient
34:12
times all the way throughout the the next 2000 years of our human
34:15
history. Mediums who would channel the
34:17
dead, who would channel, you know, demons or other beings
34:22
that also have contaminated many Christian movements today who,
34:25
you know, many Christians might have experienced weird people
34:31
like people talking in tongues and channeling the Holy Spirit
34:34
in a weird way that's kind of freaky.
34:36
Or, you know, we've got channelers who are brought up to
34:39
to channel in collective prayers.
34:41
Archangel Michael who want to tell the congregations what to
34:44
think and what to feel as a channeler.
34:47
All of this stuff is different aspects of the same type of
34:49
control mechanism that I think they they've been reviving with
34:53
Project Stargate now, but now with levers fully, fully under a
34:56
centralized command of a new Silicon Valley transhumanist
35:00
high priesthood that is tied to the UFOs.
35:02
Yeah. So what's interesting here is
35:04
that you're talking about how the whole UFO narrative is more
35:09
effective when it's centralized. And so that was part of a
35:13
strategy a long time ago, which suggests to me, Matt, that MK
35:18
Ultra is still very much alive. I think so.
35:22
I mean, I, I, it's not called that anymore.
35:24
Like I said, I think it metastasized, but I believe that
35:28
it didn't go away. And I think that a lot of the,
35:32
you see the, there's something that began to really happen
35:35
after 1972, right? Was the as the Vietnam War was
35:39
petering out is you had a mass expansion of cults, whether
35:44
Jonestown Sun young moon, you know, in the Moonies different
35:50
offshoots of the the the Ordo template Orientis solar Lodge,
35:55
which was carrying out mass atrocities on children,
35:59
different offshoots of the Manson family as well, which
36:02
didn't go away. What you'll find it or the
36:05
process Church of final Judgement as a satanic
36:07
Luciferian, a satanic cult, you know, that originated as a as a
36:12
spin off from the Scientologists in the early 60s and that had
36:18
big, big influence in New York and California and the Hollywood
36:22
crowd. A lot of these things didn't go
36:24
away. They, they just continue to
36:25
manage and create more different cults with different flavors all
36:31
over the United States, especially, but, but also in
36:33
Canada and, and Europe. And I think that a lot of that
36:36
when you, when you start scratching on the surface of
36:38
these cults, you start seeing the influence of intelligence
36:41
agencies behind the scenes, managing, protecting and
36:43
grooming them and occasionally eliminating them, as in the case
36:46
of of the Jim Jones story. When, when they're no longer
36:51
useful or let's say people start looking into them from Congress
36:54
a little bit too much. And you know what, what's going
36:57
on behind the surface appearance that involves also narco
37:02
trafficking as well as just, you know, using human beings, little
37:07
social groups as laboratories to see what you can do and get away
37:10
with on a, on a, on a scaled up level.
37:14
And I think that's one of the aspects of the usefulness of
37:16
these cults is they're little laboratories, partially
37:19
incubators to see what, what can people adapt to in a, in a, in a
37:23
small scale that could then be scaled up to national levels or
37:30
entire human social groups on a much, much broader scale of
37:35
millions or billions of people. So I think that's another aspect
37:38
of what they do and what MK Ultra was was morphed into from
37:42
the 70s onward. But I mean, you've got this
37:45
multi pronged approach, which as you pointed out, seems to be
37:49
quite pervasive in the Five Eyes.
37:51
But even you know China has Falun Gong, which believes in
37:56
aliens. That's right.
37:59
Yeah, most people don't know that, but that's that's very
38:01
true. And yeah, Lee Hongji is himself
38:05
a self professed intergalactic Messiah who promotes and has
38:08
been open open about this, though they won't let him speak
38:11
publicly as much now as they used to in 1999.
38:13
There's a famous Time magazine interview where Lee Hongji talks
38:16
about how his particular role in protecting humanity and keeping
38:21
the forces in balance between the good and the evil alien
38:24
super beings. That only he is capable of
38:27
keeping the balance. And and that he also professes
38:30
to have the stargate powers of astral projection of of all
38:35
omniscience. Where he could see everything by
38:37
projecting his astral body anywhere he wants it to go.
38:42
And he can read the minds of his followers in his cults.
38:45
He can he can project, levitate, heal them from afar just by
38:48
thinking about them. And it creates A psychological
38:51
control grade in the minds of people who really, really get in
38:54
initiated into what seems to be something that is kind of like
38:58
an Asian version of Scientology that does seem to have like a
39:01
nice opening appearance to welcome in anybody into a
39:04
meditation group doing very nice Qigong exercises.
39:08
And before you know it, if you got a certain psychological
39:11
profile and an ambition of thirst, you might find yourself
39:13
invited to be challenged to the next degree of knowledge about
39:19
what's actually causing your, your depression, your, your
39:23
other issues, just like they do in Scientology.
39:26
Of course, again, it's, it's calibrated for slightly more
39:31
Asian psych profile, but it, it attracts many westerners as well
39:35
as, as we all know, and, and before you know it, at certain
39:38
points we discover or initiates discover along the way that the,
39:42
that the cause of their problems is actually foreign alien
39:45
entities that are living inside of them.
39:47
That they can only shed by virtue of doing these, these,
39:51
this specific type of, of meditation exercise innovative
39:55
by Master Lee Hongji and nobody else.
39:57
Nobody else has touched into the source of shedding these, these
40:01
foreign entities the way he has or the way L Ron Hubbard had it
40:04
using his more technologically. And basically it's a lie
40:07
detector test where you just hold on to 2, two different, you
40:09
know, electrode probes that that can then, you know, be
40:13
influenced by your emotional tones.
40:16
That help you understand how you have been infested by these
40:19
foreign alien entities from another Galaxy.
40:23
You know launched into the earth area by Zenu.
40:25
This ancient overlord evil gnostic alien that is caught is
40:32
causing all of your problems and and once you fully shed you've
40:34
gone through your degrees of initiation.
40:37
Now you can self actualize and realize that you are God.
40:40
It's very tholemic in that sense.
40:43
You can make your own reality. However, it might be in China,
40:48
but the same players are behind the scenes.
40:51
I mean, you have the Ned who's one of the big financial backers
40:54
of Falun Gong. It's so interesting.
40:57
Well, that's what I'm saying, right?
40:58
And the Ned is a front for the CIA.
41:00
So anywhere you look at these cults, they you, you will find
41:03
intelligence agencies. China, however, has done just a
41:05
much better job than we have at at identifying this technique
41:09
and expell expelling as much as they can.
41:12
It's it's been quite incredible to see their performance in
41:16
preventatively stopping these agencies from taking on deeper
41:21
roots into the Chinese world. They were they were kicked out
41:24
very early on and Master Lee Hongji was forced to, you know,
41:28
to be to basically leave China. But where did he go?
41:31
He went to New York where he was granted A430 acre estate in in
41:36
the state of New York. It's a luxury estate where it's
41:38
a major compound, highly secretive, and where a massive
41:43
brainwashing operation is organized, again under the
41:47
protection of the CIA in order to continue asymmetrical
41:51
warfare, cultural warfare against the Chinese, especially
41:54
focusing on trying to brainwash and influence the minds of young
41:58
Chinese expatriates who live abroad in Europe, in England, in
42:01
Australia, in Canada, the USUSA. And they so they put a lot of
42:04
effort into trying to create as many Chinese people who believe
42:09
that what Master Li Hongji says, because he is a SEC he's
42:13
essentially a Co equivalent in many ways to God.
42:16
It's a, it's a very Pagan thing. And and so if he says, you know,
42:20
the Chinese, just the Chinese government are run by evil
42:23
aliens, That's part of his, his narrative that he tells to his
42:26
followers. And you can see his, his, his
42:29
transcripts of his teachings on his website that his, his view
42:33
is that the, the Chinese are, are actually the, the physical
42:37
manifestation, the, the, the weapon used by the evil species
42:42
of aliens that want to suckle on the vital fluids, the, the
42:46
organs of the tasty Falun Gong specifically because through
42:50
doing his meditation exercises, our organs evolve into more
42:55
golden section proportions. And that's what the, the, the
42:58
evil aliens love sucking on and, and using.
43:02
And yet the USA, which is where he is.
43:04
Well, we also in the USA, he says, have alien overlords, but
43:09
they're, they're more benevolent, they're less evil.
43:11
And so we're working with them. And so that's the type of weird
43:15
cosmology that even the Scientologists also promote.
43:20
At the end of the day, not that different.
43:22
And again, China's done a much better job at nipping that in
43:24
the butt. Yes, and then you have, you
43:27
know, a politician like Harry Reid who took, as you pointed
43:31
out, $22 million from taxpayers into quote UN quote UFO
43:36
research. So what then, was UFO research?
43:42
Well, yeah. And that was the, the Advanced
43:44
Aerospace Identification program that from as a, as a sub
43:49
department within the Pentagon that Harry Reid, as speaker of
43:52
the House had approved, as you pointed out, the creation of.
43:58
And I think that's the, the thing, you know, like Harry Reid
44:01
was a patron of Robert Bigelow. He also received a lot of money
44:04
from Robert Bigelow. The, you know, the one of the,
44:07
the figures who has been at the, at the forefront of the new
44:12
space movement. The, the new space movement was
44:16
something concocted to promote the idea that we could get rid
44:19
of NASA ultimately as an outdated, you know,
44:22
nationalistic entity and replace the idea of Space Research with
44:27
basically Silicon Valley billionaires.
44:29
So we'll have Jeff Bezos and Branson and Elon Musk as being
44:35
the, and, and Robert Bigelow was a real estate billionaire real
44:37
estate magnate who just has a lot of, they have a lot of
44:42
money. And they will be the ones who
44:43
now control the science, the R&D and the application of, of said
44:49
R&D into new tech that would then get contracts from
44:52
governments of the world in order to do the space program
44:56
stuff that that NASA used to do that the US government
44:58
nationally used to be responsible for.
45:00
So we'll get rid of the nation state.
45:01
We'll have these things. And Robert Bigelow was, I mean,
45:04
he was also the patron of, he advanced the, the parapsychology
45:10
operations to try to like monetize arguments that could be
45:15
made for scientifically investigating, you know,
45:21
reincarnation or how the soul imprints itself into an ether.
45:24
And then we can investigate how that works so that we can maybe
45:27
talk to dead people and, and channel the dead through new
45:30
technology. So he's got he's part of that
45:32
whole operation, which he was simultaneously promoting as part
45:36
of his his bankrolling of the advanced aerospace
45:41
identification program that David Grush and Louise Elizondo.
45:44
Louise Elizondo, by the way, is a counter terrorism operative as
45:49
well, who was known as one of the most brutal torturers of of
45:54
Guantanamo Bay. You know, and Louise Elizondo is
45:58
his whole family comes back to being assets.
46:00
His father was a was a was a Cuban mercenary who was part of
46:05
the CIA operation to overthrow Castro and that JFK had had
46:10
quashed back in the 60s. So you know, you've got these
46:16
these individuals. And again, he was, I think there
46:18
was even a story where he, there was a couple of European
46:23
governments that had even had a, had a, had a warrant out for his
46:31
arrest for the abuses, the criminal abuses he, he carried
46:34
out in Guantanamo Bay. And now all of a sudden this guy
46:38
is working with, you know, Tom Delange and, and Hal Putov and
46:44
company in promoting UFO disclosure.
46:46
I, I don't buy any of that. I think, I think it's all, it's
46:49
all tied to the, the giant SIOP. It's it's all.
46:54
It's all ugly. What role do other intelligence
46:58
agencies play like Mossad and MI 6 and even on Russia's side?
47:05
It's more difficult for me to see.
47:09
I'm not seeing as much on the Russian side, though I'm sure
47:12
there are nefarious actors, clearly.
47:14
I mean the the Russian psyche is very susceptible to the belief
47:18
in ETS and ET gods. There's a, there's a deep
47:22
mysticism, although it, it doesn't take the same form as it
47:27
does in a, in AUS audience base. There are sometimes it has a bit
47:31
more. It's, it's, it's, it's more
47:35
integrated with an orthodox Christian worldview that also
47:38
allows for an alien aspect to the narrative.
47:44
But you, you do have a problem there.
47:45
And I'm sure that it wouldn't be possible to have that level of
47:49
popularity for ETS and and theosophical thinking if it
47:52
weren't being protected by certain agencies with influence
47:55
within Russian intelligence. But I don't know what they are.
48:00
MI 6, definitely. I mean, that was early on, you
48:07
know, even after Project Blue Book or during the time of
48:11
Project Blue Book, you had Lord Louis Mountbatten who was
48:14
interfacing directly with British intelligence at creating
48:17
the Flying Saucer working Party back in 19495051.
48:22
That organized really, I think that was the first officially
48:25
recognized national investigation of flying saucers
48:29
that had as its mandate the the brainwashing of military
48:33
intelligence officers first and foremost.
48:37
So it's a it's a multi phase operation.
48:38
Before you could generally get to the population, you had to
48:41
get to the the military, the military intelligence serve as
48:45
the protection, the first, you know, major protection, the
48:48
guardians of a society. So you have to 1st destroy the
48:53
minds and and discernment faculties of military
48:56
intelligence patriots. So that was the first wave of
49:01
what the Project Blue Book as well as the flying saucer
49:06
working party overseen also by by Sir Henry Tizard, who was a
49:09
major player in creating the Manhattan Project.
49:11
He's he was the head the top scientist to control the British
49:14
Empire's science policy back in before and during World War 2
49:18
and afterwards. He immediately went to work as
49:20
his new assignment of overseeing the UFO S IOP under the the
49:25
influence of of Lord Mountbatten, which I go through
49:29
in episode 3 of the the hidden hand behind UFO series.
49:34
And yeah, MI 6, you'll find them kind of everywhere behind, you
49:38
know, the, the growth of crop circles.
49:40
There's MI 6 has played a role in in introducing the crop
49:45
circle mythos, which all of a sudden it's like there's no crop
49:48
circles by and large for Millennium.
49:50
And all of a sudden in 1971, you start seeing crop circles in
49:54
England 1st and then quick and usually near military bases,
49:57
but, but usually but in England specifically in cornfield, in
50:01
cornfields and and wheat fields. And then all of a sudden in the
50:04
United States and all but nobody else is reporting these things
50:07
elsewhere in Asia and Africa and South America and Russia, like
50:11
nobody's reporting these things except England 1st and then the
50:13
USA. It's just like these these crash
50:15
sites, they always happen around American military bases or
50:20
British military bases. But nowhere else in the world do
50:23
we seem to have reports of these things, which is like
50:26
conspicuous. So yeah, no, I think there's a
50:30
collusion. I mean, how put off was also
50:31
very high up in the NSA as well as the CIA and the NSA being the
50:35
American branch of the Five Eyes.
50:37
So it's, it's difficult to discern because there, there's
50:40
so much overlap with many of these intelligence agencies.
50:43
So I, I tend not to get into the, into the weeds too much on
50:46
that front. I, I try to just focus on what I
50:48
can definitely wrap my mind around and, and some of the
50:51
stuff in the, in the back, in the back rooms.
50:53
I I don't, I don't know how to think about some of the the
50:55
details. The thing that always makes me
50:57
laugh, though, Matt, is this is a bit of a segue, but it's
51:02
always crash sites. I mean, these aliens are
51:05
supposedly so advanced, all right, but they come here and
51:08
they crash. Well, on the on the on the crash
51:11
landing thing, it is, it is hilarious.
51:13
Just yeah, just just quickly on the landing thing, that is the
51:20
people really need to sit on that.
51:21
I think that the the paradox is so thick and we often just rush
51:25
it away too easily. But it's like if we're being
51:27
told that these are that such a culture so advanced that can
51:31
produce technologies that allow the flight of of these beings
51:37
from other star systems or other galaxies that must necessitate
51:40
moving beyond the speed of light.
51:43
That's advanced technology. That's a very advanced culture
51:45
that can produce that, or inversely, bouncing in and out
51:49
of galaxies. If you've got a technology that
51:51
can allow you to jump from one dimension into another
51:54
interdimensionally, that means that it's very hard to believe
51:59
that they didn't. They don't know how to avoid
52:03
crashing into windmills and like sand dunes once they arrive on
52:08
the Earth. And it's not just the one case
52:10
of Roswell, that's the singular case of an alien supposedly
52:14
that's that's crashed. They have, they have dozens and
52:19
dozens. I think back in 2003 or
52:21
something, the CIA admitted somehow that they that, that Oh
52:24
no, not 2003, the 2023. The CIA admitted that since
52:28
2003, something like 9 other UFOs have crashed.
52:34
This is the CIA openly coming out saying this, that nine have
52:39
crashed between 2003 to 2023 / 20 years alone.
52:43
Like the absurdity that they just can't fly with a crash
52:48
though they're so advanced. It blows my mind that people
52:50
still buy this and don't don't laugh at it more readily because
52:54
it is. It's a it's a freaking joke.
52:56
It's really bad or or adversely that that humans F16 jets can
53:02
fight these things. Do you think the Apollo missions
53:05
were part of the SIOP? Yeah, it's possible.
53:09
I mean, the, the choice of naming him the Apollo missions
53:11
already has a certain, you know, a cult.
53:14
There's a certain occult undertone.
53:16
As I mentioned, the Oracle of of Apollo at Delphi was one of the
53:20
dominant oracles that controlled the ancient world prod.
53:24
You know, the, the Oracle concept being a very big part
53:27
also of the AI, the artificial intelligence cult that's also
53:30
been incubated to converge on the UFO narrative as two sides
53:34
of the same thing. That's clearly being pushed by
53:40
the same operatives as well. To be part of a new religion
53:43
where people are starting to think that the AI is actually
53:47
the embodiment of a, a formerly disembodied entity, some
53:50
Luciferian Antichrist concept or whatever that Peter Thiel has
53:54
been even promoting that that is now finding physical expression.
53:58
That when we're talking to the AI, maybe we're not talking to a
54:02
large language model at all. Maybe we're not talking to that.
54:05
Maybe we're actually talking to demons that are helping us
54:08
compose our stories or our music or whatever.
54:10
So that's what younger people are being fed.
54:12
And you can only imagine what young people who don't have this
54:14
knowledge and are being fed all of these stories or will think
54:18
when they're 40, when they're 50, when they're 60.
54:21
After having more and more layers of this being just
54:24
reconfirmed as part of thinking that maybe they're dealing with
54:27
alien demons expressing themselves through this AI
54:31
robotics sort of thing, which can only thus replace us if we
54:34
don't integrate with it, maybe through brain chips and other
54:37
things. Remind me of your specific
54:40
question because that was a weird segue that that was
54:44
supposed to answer a specific question that you just had.
54:46
No no, I was just asking if you thought the Apollo missions were
54:49
part of the UFO SOP. Right, Yeah, that was that was
54:53
that was my weird. I fell off into my my
54:55
speculation there. Yeah, No, I'm open to that
54:58
possibility. I think that JFK had a much more
55:00
noble idea of what the US space program could do and what would
55:03
what it was capable of to try and help humanity transcend out
55:06
of this mannequin Cold War ethos of mutual assured destruction,
55:11
which I think was wonderful. Also many of those players tied
55:15
to Robert Bigelow and and Hal Puthoff and and Lawrence
55:18
Rockefeller just to say as people will find in my
55:20
documentaries especially episode 3 and 4 played a direct role in
55:24
killing JFK and covering up his murder and creating new stories
55:27
after he died about what his murder was all about.
55:30
A huge amount of these figures are tied to the that that
55:36
assassination operation. I think that what it became
55:39
after he died was likely did seem to be very influenced by
55:43
many occult agencies that probably did sabotage from the
55:50
get go. Whether or not the actual story
55:54
we've been told about the met the moon landings was real or
55:57
not. I, I'm, I don't think I think
55:59
we've been lied to quite a bit about those things, especially
56:02
the first moon landing that I, I, I've seen enough persuasive
56:05
evidence that I don't think that that was actually a real thing.
56:10
Maybe maybe the other moon landings might have been real.
56:14
We'll find out. Apparently, you know, China and
56:16
Russia have a pretty big commitment to industrialize the
56:19
moon instead of space bases. And, and Putin has made the
56:22
point that one of the first priorities that they're going to
56:25
have when they get there is they're going to go to the
56:28
original landing site of the Armstrong Buzz Aldrin landing
56:33
site. And they're going to just
56:34
confirm whether they're actually are footprints there and a flag
56:37
there or not. I'm curious to see what they
56:39
come up with. We won't have long to wait
56:41
barring World War Three getting in the way.
56:44
So we'll see. But yeah, probably, I, I think
56:48
his enemies probably took control of the levers of NASA
56:51
and ran it into the ground on top of destroying it from the
56:55
outside and from within at the same time.
56:58
Area 51 is a goldmine. I mean, what role does it play
57:00
in UFO disclosure? Well, it's, it's, it's part of
57:06
the, the, the ongoing Manhattan Project operation that was, I
57:11
think testing out a lot of the, those, those technologies
57:15
acquired by the Germans after World War 2.
57:18
A lot of aviation tech was, was cultivated there in secrets as
57:26
during the Cold War. The Cold War was, it was it
57:29
provided a good excuse of justified secrecy in science.
57:35
And so it was very convenient and with again, as you as we
57:38
were talking about earlier, that mystique the unknown was became
57:43
fertile soil to create creative narratives to tell people what
57:47
they were seeing, especially people living around Roswell or
57:50
living around the Area 51 air base or these other experimental
57:53
air base, the Wright patterns in air base.
57:55
There would be foreseeably be civilians who would occasionally
57:59
at night see things flying that they couldn't understand.
58:02
I have personally also seen things flying at night that I
58:05
couldn't understand that had, you know, trajectories that
58:10
defied being simply a satellite that had like a 45° change in in
58:15
orientation at night, moving very quickly.
58:18
Was it a drone? I mean, that's this is where a
58:21
lot of the experimental drones were developed decades before
58:24
they were the the public technology was unveiled in the
58:27
early 90s. Decades before that, it had
58:29
already been developed quite a bit in these air bases.
58:34
What were people seeing? Right?
58:36
What and, and so either the the the CIA and the US government
58:41
could admit that there was the secret science program or they
58:43
could create stories that could, you know, satisfy the empirical
58:48
information that people were seeing or that unvetted Air
58:52
Force officers were seeing when they're flying their planes and
58:54
they were looking out a window and they would see something
58:56
strange flying. Was it was it a, an advanced
58:59
drone being developed? Or was it an alien tech?
59:03
And if they weren't, they didn't have security clearance to
59:05
understand what it was. They would simply land.
59:07
They would debrief their superior and they would be told
59:10
to shut up. You know, you're not allowed to
59:13
talk about it. Well, that type of that type of
59:16
atmosphere creates a lot of speculation.
59:19
And then you can increasingly incubate, you know, using that
59:23
technique over years and years. More paranoid members within
59:28
military intelligence who really do get into The X-Files
59:31
mentality and they really do start making an identity or
59:36
shaping their identity around the fact that they're special
59:39
because they've seen something that might be almost spiritual
59:43
in nature. Because if aliens have been here
59:46
and they're so advanced that they can arrive here and, and,
59:49
and have been here for thousands or millions of years, maybe they
59:51
seated and created humanity. Maybe that is our God, right?
59:54
It, it, it does satisfy this, this spiritual whole that we all
59:58
have to try to know why, why we are, what is the purpose of
1:00:02
life? What is what happens after
1:00:04
death. And this kind of satisfies that,
1:00:06
that, that spiritual vacuum. And so it becomes a big
1:00:10
organizational principle in the identities of people who then
1:00:13
play into like, you know. The conspiracy, because it's so
1:00:19
big, it's so magnificent, it's so important, it's more
1:00:21
important than anything that they would even justify doing a
1:00:24
lot of evil in order to advance this great good that they think
1:00:28
is, is a part of this their, their, their mission in life.
1:00:31
So that's I think part of how the brainwashing happens and has
1:00:34
been going on for for a very long time.
1:00:37
But then how do you discern between the SOP and real
1:00:41
disclosure? Well, I think that's a great
1:00:46
question. Your questions are very simple
1:00:48
and good. I like that.
1:00:51
I think that it requires, it requires, I think a certain
1:00:59
responsibility to not be sloppy with our thinking and to try to
1:01:03
know as much as is knowable to a thinking mind capable of using
1:01:08
God-given reason without skipping steps.
1:01:12
And people often want the easy answer to things to avoid doing
1:01:15
mind work because it's hard and it makes them tired or they,
1:01:20
they lack confidence themselves. So they'd rather AI tell them
1:01:23
what to think about a topic instead of doing the work you
1:01:27
know themselves to think something through.
1:01:31
And it becomes a bit of a Pygmalion effect where we, we
1:01:34
become, we, we gain a, a false hubris when we, you get addicted
1:01:41
to right answers without knowing what the proper question was.
1:01:44
We, we, we get, we start getting used to using lazy reason, which
1:01:49
is a type of false. It's, it's lazy reason is
1:01:52
basically just jumping to conclusions before you
1:01:57
appreciate the nuance of a topic you're trying to understand.
1:02:01
And so you want to have the satisfaction of the aha, I know
1:02:05
the answer, but it's like you didn't earn that answer.
1:02:08
You don't, you didn't investigate properly the full
1:02:10
spectrum of data in front of you.
1:02:12
You just jump to something easy. So I think to the degree that we
1:02:17
do that we are always going to be susceptible to lies.
1:02:20
And the way to inoculate yourself from lies in the lying
1:02:23
liars who tell those lies is to earn knowledge that internally,
1:02:30
like we subjectively learn, make discoveries that we can build
1:02:34
upon of the objective external reality that exists independent
1:02:39
of us. But we can, you know, when we
1:02:41
make real discoveries, the, the subjective and the objective
1:02:43
kind of like integrate in those special ways that creates an
1:02:47
internal standard, a moral and and intellectual standard that
1:02:50
we can then use as a litmus or A to, to, to measure fallacious
1:02:55
arguments against. And for those arguments that
1:02:58
were presented, which conform to the discoveries we've already
1:03:01
made, we can take them more seriously and treat them with
1:03:04
respect, you know, and then for those that fail the test, we can
1:03:08
call bullshit and move forward. And just, I think a lot of
1:03:11
people are, are mistrained. They've been, they've been,
1:03:16
they've adapted to an unnatural educational and cultural
1:03:20
society, you know, or a weaponized cultural and
1:03:24
educational environments that that groomed us and that shaped
1:03:29
bad behavior and bad habits. And so we're, we're more
1:03:32
susceptible than we should be if we were the best part of
1:03:34
ourselves. So that's what I would say is
1:03:36
just think for yourself and don't let AI think for you.
1:03:39
People could go to either my sub stack, which is Matthew
1:03:43
eric.substack.com. I put out things mostly for free
1:03:48
every day. Our videos that I've done with
1:03:51
my wife and our our collaborators Jason Doll and
1:03:53
David Gosselin, who are two fantastic film making
1:03:56
colleagues. Most of those films are freely
1:03:59
and readily available. Yeah, they don't have paywalls
1:04:04
right now. They're we've made them all
1:04:05
free, including our UFO series, which is on canadianpatriot.org.
1:04:11
Also our books on the The Revenge of the Mystery Cults
1:04:15
trilogy in my wife's books and my My Clash of the Two Americas
1:04:19
series. All those books are available on
1:04:22
on the Canadian patriot.org. You can find buy the books all
1:04:25
over the place. And finally,
1:04:26
risingtidefoundation.net is a more educational cultural
1:04:30
platform I created and run with my wife, and we host seminars
1:04:34
and conferences and lectures on a weekly basis there, so you can
1:04:38
check those those things out.