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The Late Debate | 17 November · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Late.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Freyer Leitch and Caleb Bond coming
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  Speaker 3: up tonight. A new survey reveals just what people are
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  Speaker 3: getting up to when they're supposed to be working from home.
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  Speaker 4: An indigenous human rights lawyer slams.
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  Speaker 3: The government's first nation's ambassador as a waste of public money.
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  Speaker 3: And one in one hundred Australians have never heard of
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump. How on earth is that possible. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: into all of that and more shortly. But first, happy
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  Speaker 3: birthday to Frayer Leech. It's your birthday today, fray a
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  Speaker 3: happy birthday.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you so much. I'm happy to be here with
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  Speaker 5: all of you.
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  Speaker 3: I can't think of a better place for you to
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  Speaker 3: spend your birthday than with Caleb and I this evening.
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  Speaker 4: But happy birthday again.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, I could think of a few better places.
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  Speaker 1: No, this is the place to be, absolutely all right.
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into the program. You've heard the expression crime
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  Speaker 3: doesn't pay well. Tell that to young criminals. In Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: The Herald Sun Today reported that teenagers convicted of home
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  Speaker 3: invasions and carjackings had been flown to Queensland so they
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  Speaker 3: could visit theme parks. This was deemed part of their
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  Speaker 3: rehabilitation while serving community corrections orders.
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  Speaker 4: Can you imagine being broken into.
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  Speaker 3: Or ed, hijacked, carjacked, only to discover that while you
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  Speaker 3: and your kids are recovering from the trauma, your attacker
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  Speaker 3: is riding roller coasters on the Gold Coast courtesy of
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  Speaker 3: the taxpayer. Premier just Sinta Allen said she couldn't comment
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  Speaker 3: given it would have been part of the corrections process. Meanwhile,
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  Speaker 3: NDIS Minister Jenny McAllister is investigating whether or not disability
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  Speaker 3: funding was siphoned off to subsidized thrill rides for.
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  Speaker 4: These budding criminals.
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  Speaker 3: Freya, Just when you think Victoria can't get any more insane,
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  Speaker 3: you end up with stories like this.
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  Speaker 5: And this is what is so mind blowing because we've
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  Speaker 5: seen Jacinta Allen on this crusade the last week. Every
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  Speaker 5: day she's been announcing new on crime policies. Finally they're
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  Speaker 5: going to act to bring crime under control in Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: But what the government says versus what actually ends up
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  Speaker 5: happening is completely misaligned. While she's saying we're gonna go
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  Speaker 5: tough on crime. We're also reading stories about youth criminals
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  Speaker 5: being flown to amusement parks. It's just mind blowing. So
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  Speaker 5: clearly there is no coordination within the government or it
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  Speaker 5: is all talk.
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  Speaker 1: It's all just for political gain.
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  Speaker 5: But we also need to stop treating the youth criminals
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  Speaker 5: as the victims. Some of them may have had hard lives.
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  Speaker 5: I don't doubt that they probably come from disadvantaged backgrounds,
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  Speaker 5: but they have made a choice to participate in this dangerous,
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  Speaker 5: violent and illegal behavior and you have to respect their choice,
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  Speaker 5: not reward them with a trip to the Gold Coast.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, all those things she came out with
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  Speaker 2: last week saying we're going to crack down and you'll
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  Speaker 2: get a life sentiency if you grew to kid for
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  Speaker 2: crime and adult crime adult time, although she's got some
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  Speaker 2: other term for it to it's not out of crime
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  Speaker 2: adult time as it is up in Queensland.
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  Speaker 3: If you can adult time violent crime, yeah, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the one to.
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  Speaker 4: Differentiate the show. She wasn't this rigial idea.
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  Speaker 2: But by the way, the first People's Assembly in Victoria
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  Speaker 2: is now challenging those potential laws, which will be the
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  Speaker 2: first real challenge for how seriously takes she takes what
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  Speaker 2: is essentially their state voice down there, which is now
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  Speaker 2: legislatively baked in as part of their treaty process. But
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  Speaker 2: to be that as it may, this business here with
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  Speaker 2: these kids going to the Gold Coast, if you're serving
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  Speaker 2: a community corrections order, I mean, it is a prison sentence,
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  Speaker 2: but you're allowed to do it outside of prison, right
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  Speaker 2: and so surely you know, I mean it's like a
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  Speaker 2: streame world strange concept to begin with, but surely that
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  Speaker 2: then means that it should come with some deprivation of
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  Speaker 2: rights and deprivation of freedom. You know, even though you're
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  Speaker 2: not actually in a prison, it should mean there are
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  Speaker 2: certain things you are not able to do. And one
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  Speaker 2: of those I would have thought is going to a
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  Speaker 2: theme park, particularly when there are allegations that it's being
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  Speaker 2: funded by the federal taxpayer through the NDIS. For what
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  Speaker 2: possible reason does the NDIS have to pay to send
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  Speaker 2: someone to a theme park? I mean, what is this
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  Speaker 2: batter their therapy because they say they're scared of heights
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  Speaker 2: or something, So oh, we'll put you on the roller
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  Speaker 2: coaster so you can get an idea of what it's
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  Speaker 2: like we'll do some exposure therapy. I don't see how
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  Speaker 2: in any way this can be justified. And the message
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  Speaker 2: it sends, just as all these kids who get out
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  Speaker 2: on bail and then out on bail, and then out
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  Speaker 2: on bail and out on bail, and there was one
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  Speaker 2: kid down there did at more than thirty times you
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  Speaker 2: got out on bail. The message it sends because you
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  Speaker 2: can commit crime, you can be put on bail, you
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  Speaker 2: can breach you bail multiple times. Then you can be
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  Speaker 2: sentenced for serious crimes, jackings, violent crime. You won't get
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  Speaker 2: a custodial sentence. You'll be able to do it at home.
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  Speaker 2: And by the way, you'll be able to go on
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  Speaker 2: nice holidays to theme parks on the Gold Coast that
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  Speaker 2: may have been paid for by the federal taxpayer. We
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  Speaker 2: also had that kid, didn't we I think while he
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  Speaker 2: was on bail he got permission to go on a
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  Speaker 2: European holiday to visit his grandmother family. How many times
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  Speaker 2: do you have to see this happen before Jacinda Allen
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  Speaker 2: and I know she's made an effort last week because
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  Speaker 2: she's sniffing the wind. I mean, you know you can't
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  Speaker 2: blame her for sniffing the wind. Pretty She couldn't have
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  Speaker 2: done it much earlier when it was actually causing problems.
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  Speaker 2: But she knows she's got a problem on her hands politically. Now, okay,
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  Speaker 2: I've got to do something about it. But how many
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  Speaker 2: times do you see this before you go whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: We've got to put the brakes on here because the
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  Speaker 2: Department of Justice, it is understood new about the approval
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  Speaker 2: for these kids to go to the Gold Coast, even
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  Speaker 2: though perhaps the Minister or the Premier didn't. Well, the
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  Speaker 2: minister need to get more involved in the department and
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  Speaker 2: say we can't do this.
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  Speaker 3: What I don't understand is somewhere at a bureaucratic office
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  Speaker 3: there's a person who actually signed off on this and thought,
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  Speaker 3: you know, what makes sense.
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  Speaker 4: Dream world is part of their rehabilitation.
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  Speaker 3: I think if you talk to most people and said,
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  Speaker 3: do you believe we should help to rehabilitate young criminals,
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  Speaker 3: all of us would say, yes, they should be punished,
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  Speaker 3: but they also need to be rehabilitated.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think.
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  Speaker 3: Anyone in their wildest dreams would imagine, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: Superman escape roller coaster at a movie world would be
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  Speaker 3: part of rehabilitation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, escape roller coasters maybe, well, part of learning about
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  Speaker 2: the criminals.
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  Speaker 4: The giant would be more superblo on.
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  Speaker 2: Their heads, would be preferable to be perfectly honest, and
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  Speaker 2: I can imagine that these two young offenders would have
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  Speaker 2: been happy little vegemates when they found out they could
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  Speaker 2: go up to the Gold Coast. Speaking of happy little vegimates,
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  Speaker 2: oh it's just I love the nostalgia of the advertisement. Right,
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  Speaker 2: puts a rose in every cheek. But I'll tell you
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  Speaker 2: whose cheek it isn't putting a rose in, and that's
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  Speaker 2: because he's not been able to get his hands on
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  Speaker 2: vegemar since two thousand and six. The poor fella again
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  Speaker 2: in a Victorian prison, Andre mckechnick, who was a convicted murderer.
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  Speaker 2: He was sentenced to life in prison for murder back
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  Speaker 2: in the nineties, so he's been doing some time for
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  Speaker 2: quite a while. But down in Victoria. In November of
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  Speaker 2: two thousand and six, they banned vegemae in prisons because allegedly,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure how this works, but apparently it
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  Speaker 2: interferes with the sniffer dogs. I don't know whether that's
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  Speaker 2: because they're putting it on the sniffer dogs noses, or
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  Speaker 2: perhaps the dogs just really like vegemart. Can't blame them
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  Speaker 2: for that, but for whatever reason interviews with snifferdogs, so
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  Speaker 2: they banned it. Well, mister mcetchney, the convicted murderer, says
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  Speaker 2: his human rights are being deprived as a result of
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  Speaker 2: his inability to have a bit of vegemarite on his
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  Speaker 2: toast in the morning. In fact, he says it is
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  Speaker 2: so bad that he quote cannot enjoy his culture as
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  Speaker 2: on an Australian. Yes, he is being deprived of his
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  Speaker 2: right to be an Australian because he cannot get his
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  Speaker 2: hands on vegimarite in prison. And he may well have
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  Speaker 2: a point here, you know, because I do think vegimite
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  Speaker 2: is an important part of being an Australian. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: it should be part of the citizenship test that you
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  Speaker 2: have to eat vegimarkin like it before you can join
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  Speaker 2: this country. But I mean, seriously, I mean, the guy
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  Speaker 2: is a repeater fender in terms of these sorts of things.
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  Speaker 2: He complained back in twenty twenty one that he couldn't
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  Speaker 2: get his hands on any kosher food in prison and
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  Speaker 2: that they were punded up meals that they said were
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  Speaker 2: kosher but weren't actually kosher, and so ninety percent of
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  Speaker 2: his meals he was missing or some rubbish, and so
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  Speaker 2: he was suing them over that. Now he's suing the
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  Speaker 2: corrections to Papa because he can't get his hands on vegumat.
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  Speaker 2: You know, yes, I get that it's an important part
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  Speaker 2: of Australian culture. And you know, he may actually have
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  Speaker 2: an argument because if kids are allowed to go up
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  Speaker 2: to the Gold Coast to go to the exactly why
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  Speaker 2: God he have his vegi mate, But for goodness sake, mate,
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  Speaker 2: get over it. If you want to have vegemite on
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  Speaker 2: your toast in the morning, I'll give you a little tip.
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  Speaker 2: Pro tip may be the first to tell you, but
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  Speaker 2: how about you don't go around killing It'd be good start.
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  Speaker 3: I got to admit when I read this story, at first,
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  Speaker 3: I kind of laughed and I almost admired him for
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  Speaker 3: doing this, because imagine someone from a different culture other
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  Speaker 3: than Australia protested that they weren't being able to live
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  Speaker 3: out and express their culture while in prison. You'd imagine
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  Speaker 3: they would probably get a sympathetic hearing from authorities these days.
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  Speaker 4: So it's nice to.
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  Speaker 3: Find someone saying I want my rights as an Australian,
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  Speaker 3: But that's where my mirth ended. Prison is meant to
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  Speaker 3: be for punishment. It's not a resort where you have
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  Speaker 3: your rights. In the old days, then he used to
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  Speaker 3: get bread and water. Yeah, bring back those days, or
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  Speaker 3: just give him marmites that would punish him well enough.
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  Speaker 3: And these human rights lawyers who take on these cases,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who are these people that agree?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you study all these years to be.
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  Speaker 3: A lawyer, imagining that you're going to change the world,
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  Speaker 3: You're going to make a difference, and then you take
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  Speaker 3: on a case like this. I just can't imagine anybody agreeing.
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  Speaker 4: To it, at least not with a straight face.
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  Speaker 5: Well it's just ridiculous. And he's complaining about his right
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  Speaker 5: to vegumite. Well what about your victim's right to life.
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  Speaker 5: He's a convicted murderer and he's complaining that his human rights,
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  Speaker 5: you practice, his Australian culture is being impeded because he
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  Speaker 5: can't eat vegemite. I'm sorry, but newsflash, prison is not
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  Speaker 5: a hotel. You're actually supposed to be deprived of your rights.
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  Speaker 5: That's why you're in there. And that's why hopefully prison
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  Speaker 5: is a turrent for other would be criminals.
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  Speaker 4: The other question here is how does this get to court?
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  Speaker 3: I mean Australian taxpayers have to put the bill for
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  Speaker 3: the court costs With something as frivolous and ridiculous as this,
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  Speaker 3: it's clearly a bit of a joke. I think the
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  Speaker 3: fact that it's able to get to court in the
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  Speaker 3: first place is an indictment on our system.
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  Speaker 2: They should be advertising this more. They should be have
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  Speaker 2: billboards everywhere, especially for the kiddies down in Victoria. Go
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  Speaker 2: to prison, you can't eat vegiminite. I mean it might
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  Speaker 2: actually deter people from committing christ I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Know if it would deter that many people.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I know I like veggiemite, but it is a
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  Speaker 5: bit controversial.
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  Speaker 3: If you were the CEO of vegimite or the marketing manager,
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  Speaker 3: are you happy about this publicity or are you really
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  Speaker 3: upset about.
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  Speaker 5: This landmark legal case to decide whether eating veggimite is
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  Speaker 5: integral to be Australian. It is clever marketing. Maybe they
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  Speaker 5: were the ones that are funding his human right lawyer.
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  Speaker 5: Let's see, well, working from home, it's a controversial topic.
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  Speaker 5: We all are forced to do it during COVID, but
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  Speaker 5: some people are still hanging on to those days.
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  Speaker 1: And it's no wonder why.
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  Speaker 5: When you look at this new survey that's just been released,
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  Speaker 5: A survey that looked at thousands of Australians has found
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  Speaker 5: that thirty nine percent admitted to doing something controversial while
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  Speaker 5: on the clock. Some of the things they did were
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  Speaker 5: twenty percent admitted to doing household chores, eighteen percent watched
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  Speaker 5: a movie while apparently working at the same time, thirteen
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  Speaker 5: percent confessed to napping, and seven percent participated in a
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  Speaker 5: hobby like running, surfing or golf. Now, just since Allen
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  Speaker 5: is trying to mandate in legislation that two days a
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  Speaker 5: week you have a right to work from home, but
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  Speaker 5: when you look at the kinds of things people openly
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  Speaker 5: admit to doing while on the clock, I get why
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  Speaker 5: people might be supportive of working from home. But if
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  Speaker 5: you're a business, I mean, this is a nightmare for productivity.
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  Speaker 5: And it's also annoying because I think this is another
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  Speaker 5: example of how a few people can ruin something great
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  Speaker 5: for everyone else, Because what if you're in the sixty
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  Speaker 5: percent that doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Do post the sixty percent who said they don't. They're
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  Speaker 4: lying because I think for most.
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  Speaker 3: People, if you're working from home, even with the best
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  Speaker 3: of intentions, there's always something that's trying to get your attention.
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  Speaker 3: But what interested me was six percent of people admitted
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  Speaker 3: that not only are they working from home on their
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  Speaker 3: main job, but they are also developing a side hustle
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  Speaker 3: and working a second job that their employer clearly does
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  Speaker 3: not know about. It's interesting the studies on working from home,
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  Speaker 3: which seem to go either way in terms of productivity.
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  Speaker 3: Some say they're more productive, others say they're not.
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  Speaker 4: But what everyone agrees with.
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  Speaker 3: Is that working from home certainly helps retention rate for employees.
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  Speaker 3: And now we know why, because who would quit a
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  Speaker 3: job where you're able to half of it watching movies,
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  Speaker 3: having a nap, or out on the golf course.
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  Speaker 2: Well, nine percent said they were getting frisky while they
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  Speaker 2: were at home, supposedly working. I mean, forget about being
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  Speaker 2: on the clock. They were on that Sorry you can
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  Speaker 2: fill in the blank. But you know, I am the
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  Speaker 2: first to say that working from home is a rought.
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  Speaker 2: I've called it shirking from home for a long time,
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  Speaker 2: but these things in this age, you know, it was
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  Speaker 2: different in COVID should be between the employer and the employee.
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  Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, there should not be any
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  Speaker 2: government mandate that says it has to be done two
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  Speaker 2: days a week or whatever. It should be between employer
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  Speaker 2: and employee. And if the employer feels that they are
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  Speaker 2: getting as much productivity out of the worker at home,
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  Speaker 2: regardless of what they might be doing in their working hours,
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  Speaker 2: then good luck to the employer and the employee. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: it may well be that some people do work better
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  Speaker 2: at home, and you know, say they get nine hours
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  Speaker 2: of office work down in six hours at home. You know,
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  Speaker 2: if they want to want to watch a movie for
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  Speaker 2: the next three hours, well you know, that's between you
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  Speaker 2: and your boss. Basically on the whole, though, I don't
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  Speaker 2: like working from home, and I think most people who
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  Speaker 2: have any ambition don't work from home because you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're in the office, it's much easier to get
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  Speaker 2: things done. It's much easier to work collaboratively. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: you know, chasing up people for teams meetings and if
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  Speaker 2: you want to got to send them a message and
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  Speaker 2: then wait for them to respond. I mean, in the office,
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  Speaker 2: you walk up to someone's desk and say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: how about this, and I think if you're in front
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  Speaker 2: of the boss, it's better for you anyway. So look,
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  Speaker 2: forget about working from home. Just go to the office.
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  Speaker 2: And for no other reason then it's a social place
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  Speaker 2: to be because there is a data that shows that
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  Speaker 2: people who work from home report higher levels of loneliness.
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  Speaker 2: So for all this oh, it's so great working from home,
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  Speaker 2: they say it's wonderful to commute and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 2: they do actually miss out on the opportunity to socialize.
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  Speaker 2: Get back to the office.
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  Speaker 3: The people playing golf when they're supposed to be doing
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  Speaker 3: okay in the social stakes the Australian government. Back in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, the Albanese government appointed a First Nation's
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  Speaker 3: ambassador to generate relationships with our South Pacific neighbors and
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  Speaker 3: to represent First Nations people.
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  Speaker 4: On the foreign stage.
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  Speaker 3: In the time that he's been employed, Justin Muhammad has
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  Speaker 3: spent a quarter of a million dollars on travel, mostly
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  Speaker 3: to the United States and Europe, which is interesting since
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  Speaker 3: his main job is to develop relationships within the Indo Pacific.
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  Speaker 3: We've spoken about him on this program before and we've
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  Speaker 3: been highly critical. But today an Aboriginal human rights lawyer
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  Speaker 3: has come out and slammed the First Nation's ambassador as
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  Speaker 3: a waste of money and an affront to Aboriginal people generally.
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  Speaker 3: Hannah McGlade, she's the human rights lawyer, says the purpose
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  Speaker 3: of the ambassador position was quote promoting a positive image
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  Speaker 3: of Australia on the global stage prairie to the evidence
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  Speaker 3: about the government's failure on closing the gap commitments. The
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  Speaker 3: ambassador's role had a documented history, she said, of extensive
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  Speaker 3: and expensive travel and hotels without proof of real outcomes
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  Speaker 3: to improve the lives of Aboriginal people, as I said.
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  Speaker 3: She went on to say, it was an affront to
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  Speaker 3: Aboriginal people who were working hard in Australia to close
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  Speaker 3: the gap on those fifteen targets that the government had enunciated,
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  Speaker 3: only four of which we've actually seen any progress in.
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  Speaker 4: And here's this guy.
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  Speaker 3: His contract has just been renewed, his pay's just been
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: increased to four hundred thousand dollars a year, and what's
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: he doing to improve the lives of Indigenous people now.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: Penny Wong, the Foreign Affairs Minister, was asked about the
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: First Nation's ambassador and she claims that his role has
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: been key in delivering foreign policy and trade outcomes. Now,
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: curiously she didn't go into specifics freyer to which trade
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: deals or which foreign policy outcomes that he had been
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: key in. But it's interesting now that we've got an
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Aboriginal human rights lawyer calling this out as not only
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: a waste of money, but the government trying to disguise
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: the fact internationally that here at home, the outcomes for
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Indigenous people are failing to improve despite the government's retric
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: But they push this guy out there to represent the
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: government as if they really are doing something for Indigenous people.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Well, I totally understand why this woman, Hannah mclade would
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: be absolutely infuriated because four hundred thousand dollars just his
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: base salary, let alone the quarter of a million dollars
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: he's spent on travel expenses for grassroots indigenous organizations that
• 18:44
  Speaker 5: are actually doing work on the ground in genuinely disadvantaged communities.
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: That would be a huge amount of money that could
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: make some tangible difference. But this is yet another example
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: of the inner city activist class taking us all for
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: a ride. Now, this guy, Justin Muhammad, has also worked
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: as the CEO of Reconciliation Australia. He's held a number
• 19:09
  Speaker 5: of these chair positions in various indigenous organizations, and it
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: is clear that in the indigenous world there is this
• 19:18
  Speaker 5: elite class that gets these cushy positions, flies around the
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: world and then you ask, well, what has this all produced?
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: And of course this was just Enterprise's main argument against
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: the Voice.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: All the Voice.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Would do would be hand even more power to this
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: group of people that swans around and at the end
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: of the day does nothing to tangibly change the lives
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: of Indigenous people. And that's a fact. So I would
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: be interested to know what are the KPIs.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: For this job?
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Anyway, you'd think if it's a normal job, it would
• 19:49
  Speaker 5: have a job description and some sort of outcomes it
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: should achieve. But like what and he says he goes
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: and does First Nations dialogues for why who.
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: Qustion fort out color.
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: He's also got a staff of ten and a budget
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: of just over thirteen million dollars for four years, so
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: he's very well staffed, very well funded for what.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I think this is the KPI is the crucial point, right,
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: what is he meant to achieve? What do we want
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: out of this fella, and it all seems well, no
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: one really knows, Okay, he's been central to delivering foreign
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: trade deals how I mean, I've not heard him trumpeted
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: at any foreign trade deal. We've not heard a word
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: about him in the dealings with Trump about tariffs. I
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: don't think we've heard a word about him in our
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: dealings with China about trade over what foreign trade.
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: Did Maybe the defense pace with.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Critically well, I would like to know the first nation's
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: outreach that he was doing over in Switzerland and New
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: York and Japan where he has been. It just seems
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: like the bloke has found the greatest junk head. And
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: the next question is why do you up his salary?
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, are you are you telling me that he's
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: done such a good job that he deserves a pay rise,
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: and not only that, as all these things in the
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: government sector should be if there's someone who could do
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: the job just as well cheaper, it's sort of encumbered
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: upon the government on the behalf of the taxpayer to
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: do that. You're telling me that there's no one else
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: in the indigenous community who perhaps could have done exactly
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: the same role for fifty thousand dollars less and done
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: it just as well because it mostly involves spending two
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty grand going oversea.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: But here's the irony.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: He can't even do the job properly because, according to
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: the papers, one of his responsibilities is to develop a
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: first nation's approach to foreign policy. Now, if you can
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: tell me what that means, then I'd appreciate the insight.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: But even that, his department has spent two hundred and
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: sixty thousand dollars on a consultancy firm to help develop
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: a strategy to develop a first nation's foreign policies.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, the whole idea of a separate first nation's
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: ambassador is just ridiculous. The whole principle and international law
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: is it its only states that can enter into treaties
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: with other countries that can have a foreign policy. That
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: is the key thing that distinguishes nation states from any
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: other kind of group. You can't have a separate first
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: nation's foreign policy. I mean, from the very beginning, this
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: role was stupid. It made absolutely no sense, and I
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: think he's just, you know, doing what anyone would do
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: and using.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: It for all its worth.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: Really, of course, the original first nations. Foreign policy was
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: to deal with the people who rocked up here in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the eighteenth century, right, So that was the first example
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: of foreign policy, and what the hell are we going
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: to do with these white fellows who've shown up? Well,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: maybe you'd like to turn his attention to migration in
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the modern age because some really interesting numbers that have
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: been crunched out of the ABS data in Sydney. This
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: has been done by Primara Search found that if it
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: weren't for overseas migration, Sydney would actually be going backwards
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: in terms of its population. More people are leaving Sydney
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: that moved to it within Australia that the numbers that
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: they have crunched. This is from the twenty three to
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: twenty four financial year, which is what is the most
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: recent available data, shows that there were one hundred and
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: four thousand, two hundred and thirty one people in the
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: twenty three to twenty four financial year who left Sydney.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: That was two percent of the Sydney population packed its
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: bags and moved out in a single financial year. That
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: is significant, of course, most of them because they can't
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: afford to live here anymore. I mean the median house
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: price in Sydney has just hit one point six two
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: million dollars, so people are being forced out of Sydney. Now,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: that was made up to some degree by people who
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: moved from inter state. They were sixty three thousand, one
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: hundhundred and forty five people. So even if you account
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for that, it would have meant without any overseas migration
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: that you would have had a net internal migration in
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Sydney of minus forty one thousand and eighty six people.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: So the population of Sydney would naturally have gone backwards
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: without overseas migration. It is the only city in the
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: country that would have gone backwards if it weren't for
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: overseas migration. But that overseas migration is so significant that
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: in that time it added one hundred and twenty thousand,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty six people. So even though one
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: hundred and four thousand moved out of Sydney, they just
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: ship them all in from overseas. Now. Isn't this an
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: interesting proposition because we continually told overseas migration has nothing
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: to do with the housing crisis, it's just supply supplies
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: that if we just built more houses there would be
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: no problem. With the housing being so on a affordable
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: rent being so unaffordable in Sydney. But in fact, if
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you simply turned off the tap house prices would naturally
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: be going backwards in Sydney right now because the population
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: of Sydney would be decreasing because so many people have
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: been squeezed out of the Sydney market. Surely this once
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: and for all puts to bear to the argument that
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: it has nothing to do with overseas migration. This makes
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: it abundantly clear that it does, and it shows what
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: a problem we have with affordability in Sydney that two
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: percent of the city's population would upsticks and move in
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: one year.
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: And according to the report, the people, as you said,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: who are leaving Sydney are not leaving because they don't
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: like the lifestyle. Sydney is the most beautiful city in
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: the country. I think the climate is fantastic. Well, I've
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: got to say Perth is lovely to us there on
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: the weekend. But people aren't leaving because they don't like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: the city, because they don't want to be here, they
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: simply can't afford to be here. And so you've got
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: Australians moving out being replaced by even more people from overseas,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: and this churn just continues. It's not sustainable to keep
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: doing this.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and if it were a proper market that were closed,
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: that where you didn't have immigration, house prices would naturally
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: correct because people would leave and prices would come down.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: But that's just simply not happening because you're continuing to
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: flood the market with immigrants. And this is really really sad.
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: You've got people that have grown up here, families have
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: been in Sydney for generations, and now their children, mostly
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: young families, quite likely have to move cities because you
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: can't find anywhere that's affordable or big enough as well.
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: And the most commonplace that Sydney Snighters were moving was Queensland.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: You know Mark Stein who wrote a couple of great
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: books about demography and how that really does change a culture.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: He asks the question, can a city be the same
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: city but with different people, And of course the answer
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: is no, because the people make the culture, the people
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: make the city. And so what you end up with
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: if this continues over time, as Sydney becomes a very
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: different place to what we all knew it to be
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: because the people are very different and that's the.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Direction that i'm It's just not right.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: You cannot displace native Sydney sidners for migrants just because
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: that's better for the federal government's bottom line.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It is just unfair and wrong.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: What do you think the people in Brisbane think about
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: all the Sydney side, Well.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: That's where most of the people from Sydney are going.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: Queensland is growing at a rapid rate, and.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: That's exactly right.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: Well, more Victorian criminals are going there, that's true.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Speaking of immigration, well over in the UK they have
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: an asylum seeker crisis. We've talked about it extensively on
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: this show, but now it looks like the Labor government
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: and particularly the Home Secretary of Shabanah Mahmoud, are finally
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: putting forward some concrete solutions to crack down on the issue.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Here she was talking about the problem with out of
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: control immigration.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: It is important that we deal with illegal migration into
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: this country. It is an issue that is dividing our
• 28:08
  Speaker 6: country and I see this polarization all over the country,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: including in my own constituency. We have a system that
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: is out of control. It's unfair and it's putting huge
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: pressure on communities.
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: So some of the things they are looking at introducing
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: in the UK for countries where they consistently refuse to
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: bring back migrants who have made failed refugee claims, they're
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: going to start banning entry first for just general migrants,
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: and then for tourists and then eventually even for politicians
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: and VIPs. So some of the countries that have been
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: flanged are Angola, Namibia, DRC. These are countries where less
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: than one percent of failed refugees actually end up going
• 28:52
  Speaker 5: back to those countries, so ninety nine percent end up
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: remaining in the UK generally because those governments refuse to
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: take them back, So that is one of the measures
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: that they're looking at. They're also going to change it
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: so that refugees who apply for permanent settlement have to
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: wait twenty years, so that's essentially twenty years to become
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: a permanent resident.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: And another one that I loved.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: They're going to make migrants sell valuables to fund their
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: hotel accommodation. So apparently that's been done in Denmark, which
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: has made it one of the toughest countries in Europe
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: for immigration, and they will make illegal migrants sell, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: if they have expensive jewelry on or cash that they're carrying.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: They'll make them sell that, sell assets to fund their
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: upkeep in migrant hotels. Finally, some good policies on the table.
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: But again, as with labor here, labor in the UK
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: is the same. Let's see how much of this actually
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: gets implemented before we get too happy.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: The other change they're making is that you'll only be
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: able to appeal your deportation once because at present they've
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: got failed asylumn seekers just launching multiple appeals which enables
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: them to stay for years in the UK. You said
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: that you doubt labors follow through on this policy, and
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: I agree with you. What's good though, could you imagine
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: if Nigel Farage became Prime Minister and Reform introduced this
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: and said right, we're going to ban politicians, tourists etc.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: From these countries if they don't take back they're illegals.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: There'd be cries of racism and xenophobia and all sorts
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: of things. But maybe the key here is the labor
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: government are running the ball up.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: They're taking going to do the hard yards.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: The media will be gentle with them because it's labor,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: and if Farage comes into power he will enforce these
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: laws and probably add a few of his own.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: Indeed, isn't it so funny? Everyone loves to hate Trump,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: but this all just seems very trumpy, and doesn't it
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: because people have realized, or some people realized anyway, that
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: to his style of doing politics, he's working. And there
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: is a point which I don't think we've yet hit
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: rit large in Australia. There is indications we're getting there.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: We haven't hit it rip large yet that people are
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: sick of the way their countries are changing, and they're
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: sick of being taken for a ride. They're sick of
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: seeing illegal migrants. And of course we've had a much
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: better go of this because the Abbott government ten years
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: ago put the foot down and said, look, we're just
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: not going to take this anymore. Boat turnbacks, which became
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: labor policy, and it's been very successful here. But other
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: parts of the world have seen what happens when you
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: let this run rampant, and they've let it run rampant
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: for a lot longer than we did, and they're not
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: going to take it anymore. And all of a sudden
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: everyone's a Trump blumber.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you mentioned the Australia is getting to that point.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Will what was it one Nation eighteen.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Eighty sent Edridge.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: You're right, it's getting.
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: To that point, and largely on the back of their
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: stance on illegal immigration.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Indeed, also while we are in the UK, try this
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: on for sizes the things they're getting wrong. I mean,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: you know the labor government STARTMA. Governm can jump up
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and down and say, look, we're going to ban all
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: these visas, but they might want to take a little
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: inward look at their government and the amount of money
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: they're spending on diversity offices in the civil service, at
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: least five hundred of them doing exactly what We're not
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: entirely sure and you'll see it says they're in that
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: strap at the bottom of the screen. They're losing the
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: war on diversity. It's most interesting to note that the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: number two department that is spending shed loads of money
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: on these diversity jobs is the Ministry of Defense. Now,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: of all the departments in the UK government, the one
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: where I'm least interested in them talking about diversity is
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: the Defense Force. I mean, surely their number one problem
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: should be let's get a force together that if Jijiping
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: or whoever came knocking on the door. We could do
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: something about it. I don't care if their black, white,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: brindle male female got two legs or what. I just
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: want the strongest people who can do the job. Ministry
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of Defense fifty five people, Health and Social Care fifty
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: one people, the Home Office thirty four. On and on
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: it goes. I mean, the Disability Unit twenty five. I mean,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: has the Disability Unit have more people less fewer people
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: working on diversity than the Ministry of Defense, for heaven's sake.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: What's interesting about this is that the figures came to
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: light after a Conservative politician spent two years fighting for
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: free of information laws to access this information that the
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: Labor government did all they could to suppress and hide,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: which tells you that the Labor government know very well
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: that the public would be horrified to find that there
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: are so many people being employed to the tune of
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: was at twenty eight million pounds a year, so it's
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: about fifty six million Australian dollars a year to enforce diversity,
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: equity in inclusion jobs.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: The government is embarrassed by this.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: They know it doesn't fly with the public, which is
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: why they spent two years trying to keep it secretly.
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: Well, and some departments have still refused to release their figures.
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: The Department of Justice still will not tell this MP
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: how many DEI hires they have in the department. It's
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: just ridiculous. But some good news for conservatives. We clearly
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: are the tolerant side of politics. And now the research
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: backs it up as well. And you survey has found
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: that Republicans are more likely than Democrats to have a
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: close friend of the different political party. Eighty two percent
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: of Republicans have a close friend who is a Democrat,
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: but just sixty four percent of Democrats have a friend
• 34:37
  Speaker 5: who's a Republican. Honestly, knowing America and how divided it is,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: these numbers are actually kind of encouraging. I thought it
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: would be lower than that for both sides of politics.
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: Like when you go to America, they're like, do not
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: bring up politics at the dinner table. This is a
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: no go zone because of how polarized it is. But
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: this is the thing the left, even still, even after
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: they and for fascist leftism, which is what they are now,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: they still try to claim to be the tolerant and
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: inclusive side.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: But it is just not true.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: Time and time again we see left is cutting off family,
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: left is cutting off friends, and now the facts speak
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: for themselves.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: During the Trump Clinton presidential campaign, Time magazine did a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: big story on how the election had divided families, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: I mean it was quite an incredible read. You had
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: twins who no longer spoke to each other because of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: their difference on politics. You had a mum and dad
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: who every time Trump came on TV, they'd hold their
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: nose and boo. And then the mother in law came
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to visit and she started telling the grandkids that no,
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: Trump's actually not that bad.
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: And they never invited her back to seeded grandkids.
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: It's quite horrific what people have done in their own families.
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: Politics is important, but it's not everything.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because the left sets it up as right
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and wrong, good and evil, whereas by and large conservatives
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: were open to talking about it. Just quickly, while we're
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: talking about Donald Trump, there was a fresh water pole
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: that came out overnight that was the favorability of Donald
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Trump in Australia. And you know, probably unsurprisingly, sixty one
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: percent said they had an unfavorable view of Trump in Australia,
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: and the quarters said they were favorable, but one percent
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: of people said they had never heard of Donald Trump.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: So there's certain populations about two sorry, a twenty seven
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: and a half million. Now this would be the voting
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: population they're talking about here, which can't excuse the numbers
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: of bit But if we said one percent of all
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: Australians had never heard of Donald Trump, there would be
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: about two hundred and seventy five thousand people in this
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: country who have not Where are these people living, what
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: are they doing? What rock are they living under? I
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: almost envy them in some ways, but how do you
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: how do you not know?
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Are you're going to?
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: You go to the MCG It's got one hundred thousand
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: people in it. A thousand of.
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Them have never heard of They are probably living a
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: very stress free, relaxed life, unaware of the problems facing
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: Western civilization, the US.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Australia kind of jealous.
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: We're going to go to a break on that and
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: come back to look at what's making news tomorrow, including
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the Victorian Liberals set to appoint a new leader tomorrow
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: and fresh calls for a crop cull in North Queensland
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: after a teenager has a close call.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: All of that more in just a moment. Welcome back
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: to the program.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making headlines tomorrow, so
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: you hear it all here first, and we'll start with
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: the big story that will be in the papers tomorrow.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: In the Herald's Sun Parties over for Brad, reads the
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: headline Liberals leadership bombshell. Baton urged to stand aside as
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: senior MPs throw weight behind rising star Jess Wilson, who's
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: only been in the Parliament three years. This exclusive story
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: reads Liberal MPs Willson will put her hand up to
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: take over as the third Victorian opposition leader in eleven months,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: and they wonder why they're struggling after Brad Baton was
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: told he no longer held the confidence of the party room.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Now since Brad Baton became the leader from John Pursuito,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: the Liberal Party vote has fallen by six points. Brad Baton,
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: of course, an ex copper who's been pretty good on crime.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: The knock on him, Freyer, is that that's about all
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: he's spoken about. Hasn't talked about the cost of living
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: or the economy. And of course Jacinta Allen has suddenly
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: become a born again crime fighter, which has sort of
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: nullified the one strength that Brad Baton may have had,
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: so now his colleagues want him gone. And Jess Wilson
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: only been in the Parliament three years, probably the new
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: leader as of tomorrow.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Look, I get the criticism of Brad Baton, but at
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: the same time, whin you're a state opposition leader. No
• 38:55
  Speaker 5: one cares about you or what you have to say.
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: Crime is the top shoe in Victoria. It is a
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: huge problem. And I think the third thing is you
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: might get some upside in replacing Jess Wilson, attractive, young female, charismatic, whatever,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: but you also project instability. You can't unite all of
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: the things that have plagued the Victorian Liberals for years now.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: So on an overall weighing up the pros and the cons,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure this is going to be the play
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: they think it is. I don't see how much upside
• 39:27
  Speaker 5: there's going to be for them here.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: This is what the Liberal Party needs, the Liberal Party
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: talking about the Liberal Party. Speaking of which, let's go
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to the Australian tomorrow where a Jeff Kenneth, as you
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: say on this story, he says that you can see
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: that I'm absolutely dumbfounded and distraught, but moving on to
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: another story in the same vein the one below it
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: resolutely digging in as sharks sorry circle, Susan Lee is
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: digging in, I mean a growing expectation her leadership is terminal,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: as top moderate Anne Rustin declares the opposition leader's job
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: is safe, despite some members of her faction switching their
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: support to end through Hasty. As Lee said she had
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: been underestimated a lot of my life not died. She
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: wun a leadership ballot just six months ago. Asked Brad
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Badden about that, as Conservative power brokers claim they have
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: the numbers to install either mister Hasty or Angus Taylor
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: as Liberal leader, and particularly when you have the suggestion
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: that members of the moderates in the Liberal Party are
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: now switching to Hasty, By god, do they have more
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: problems to deal with?
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: Nothing will happen this side of twenty twenty, there'd be
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: no reason for him to make a move, and I
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: think she should be given I'm not a great Susan
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Lee fan, but having got their policy on energy, at
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: least give her a chance to sell it.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: And immigration coming up in the next few weeks, well.
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: This period of the cycle is called the killing season,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: and there's a good reason for that.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: In the Daily.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: Telegraph tomorrow, the headline is red Jo mystery deepens. Rare
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: number plates worth millions of dollars were canceled by trying
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: Sport for New South Wales after the owner received a
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: letter seeing someone had handed in the plates he still
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: had attached to his car.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: While the state.
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: Government agency has blamed the issue on an administrative eraror owner,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: Hugh Fisher suspects.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Someone may have handed in a fake set of plates.
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: After seeing the Daily Telegraphs coverage last week of the
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: mysterious case of Plate X, mister Fisher came forward to
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: sell his stories to tell his story. Now, I do
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: feel bad for him because these plates can be worth
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: millions of dollars and there are a bit of a
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: collectible items.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: I'd be a little stressed about him.
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: Well, it apparently allowed someone else to have the plate
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: on their car. He owned it, but it was on
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: a friend's car, and he's driving through the city and
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: saw a car not his friends, with his number plate
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: on it, and then when he inquired, apparently he didn't
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: own it anymore.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: What a bizarre turn of the thing. I mean, that's
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: like just rocking up and your house has disappeared one
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: day somebody else just squat as have moved in and
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: said down, not your house anymore, this is mine, which
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: you can do after about ten years, I believe, but
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: not not normally in these circumstance, I'd be hitting the
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: roof off.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not great.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: And also in a Daily Telegraph tomorrow, NAT's all. The
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: shock resignation of New South Wales Nationals leader Google Saunders
• 42:11
  Speaker 5: has thrown the state coalition into further chaos as speculation
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: continues about the future of Liberal leader Mark Speakman. Mister
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: Saunder's sudden departure from the National's top job, which he
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: said was a difficult decision aimed at allowing him to
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: focus on my family and myself, took his fellow MPs
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: by surprise, with some saying they were blind sided by it.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: They've been chatter over.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: The weekend that this was about to happen, but this
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: has come largely out.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Of the blue. I think that's right. I don't think
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: anyone was expecting this.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: Speakman won't be a surprise if and when he steps
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: down as leader. He also failed to break through in
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: the polls, But google Saunders.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think many.
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: People even knew his name before today, but there you go.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Because he'd also noticed this story that another nationals impeded
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: that Saunders had been known to be dealing with some
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: challenging family circumstances over the past few weeks. What they are,
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: we don't know. That might come out in due course,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I imagine, but whatever he is dealing with, I hope
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: it's not too onerous.
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: Well, it's just a pity that the first time he
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: really gets name recognition in New South.
• 43:18
  Speaker 4: Wales that he's resigning.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: So that's the way of the Conservatives in Victoria and
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: in New South Wales. Unfortunately, the Townshill Bulletin has I
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: guess the front page that every editor loves, a massive
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: picture of a crocodile and the headline teens brush with death.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: The teenagers near miss with the saltwater crocodile in North
• 43:39
  Speaker 3: Queensland waters has sparked debate over insane practices putting people
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: at risk. And of course the CATA Party has been
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: calling for a crocodile cull for some time. It keeps
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: being overruled, but they're currently campaigning.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: For that all over again.
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: This comes just a few weeks after a fourteen year
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: old about one hundred k's north of Cans was fishing
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: with mates in water that was waste deep and he
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: was grabbed by a crocodile.
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: Lucky to survive.
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: But there we go another close encounter with a croc
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: and the same debate will rage on all over again.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Well, get rid of them, like, just surely human life
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: comes before a crocodile, so I would.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: They're not endangered, they're breeding like rabbits queens day exactly.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: If they're a danger to human life, just get rid
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: of them and dabd this for story on the front
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: of the Cans Post tomorrow while we're up in coins
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and kimchi on hand for delegates. Apparently gets rid of crocodiles. No,
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: that's wrong. Sorry, it's as a five star resort has
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: imported two point two tons of kimchi. As the Far
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: North prepares to host thousands of Korean business delegates, About
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: two thy eight hundred Amway Korea representatives will arrive in
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: five waves on twenty charter flights from now until December seven,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: in a thirteen million dollar boost to the region's economy.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Now Amway is a bloody pyramid scheme thing, isn't it.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: So you've got all these you know, multi level marketing
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Koreans flying into Ken they gotta get their hands on
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: two point two tons of kinji.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Good luck to them and the can's post tomorrow.
• 45:10
  Speaker 7: Okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: You know those awards ceremonies where they grab the envelope
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: and they say the winner is will You got to
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: stick around because after the break, when they get to
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: that moment at an Australian of the Year Awards ceremony
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: in South.
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: Australia, it all just goes wrong. That's up for the break.
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: Welcome back to the program, will Frey.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: There's an interesting legal battle over some swimwear in Australia.
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: Very Strange, a former NRL executive and his model wife
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: have started a swimwear brand called swim Shady. Now Eminem,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: whose famous rap pseudonym is slim Shady, is taking them
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: to court. He claims they're violating his trademark on the
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: name slim Shady because of the unmistakable parallels between the
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: two names. And just if you need a refresher on
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: the iconic slim Shady here he is.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: Well, the real Slim Seed please band up. I repeat, well,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: the real slim Seed please stand up.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have a here.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: He is an iconic wrapper and there is no doubt
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: swim Shady does sound a bit like a plan on
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: slim Shady. But still for him to care this much
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: that he's going to sue an Ossie family business selling
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: swimwear products, I mean.
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: Come on, yeah, I agree, I don't think you should
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: do that.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: Look, it's a bad look, But to be perfectly honest,
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: he may well have an argument because it is so similar.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously they are trading on the slim Shady name.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I mean there's one letter difference, so he could I
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: get that's a bad look, but he could legally make
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: the argument that at the very least he's due some
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: royalties or something out of it. Straight up, No, No,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think well in the court can decide it's
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: a beach shade. Yeah, I know, what's it got to
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: do with. But they're using the name swim shady because
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: it sounds like slim shady in order to sell beach product.
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: They're using a name that sounds like a name.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they are. Anyway, look the copy I'm
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: not just say a typical copyright law. But I am
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: saying he may well have an argument. He but like,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: for goodness say, there are a couple of boss He's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: trying to make it back. Who cares? Speaking of I'm
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: gonna say, who cares? You would care if you were
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: this chap down in South Australia they had over the
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: weekend the South Australian of the Year awards Senior South
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: Australian of the Year. Who is it? Twenty twenty six
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Senior South Australian of the Year for South Australia.
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: Is Malcolm Benoy.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Congratulations Malcolm.
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: The judges are conferring for a second.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: A Senior Australian of the Year is in fact James.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: It is James, James Curry.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: James Curry.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: We had it right all the way along.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I don't know what has transfer behind the scenes, but
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: it's incorrect information at.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: Is Malcolm Van I'm terribly sorry for the embarrassment.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, could it have gone any worse? Who's
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: the actual winner?
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: We still don't you know what justice for James? I
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: feel so bad for him. He wasn't the winner. He
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: thought he was the winner. He went he wasn't the winner,
• 48:22
  Speaker 5: and then Malcolm the whole time.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: It's so bad.
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: At least it's one awards ceremony that was actually entertaining. Now,
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: would you rather be scorned as a wowser or laughed
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: at as hopeless? That was the dilemma facing Anthi Albanzi
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: when he was asked to dance in a radio studio.
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: He decided to be laughed at as hopeless.
• 48:41
  Speaker 7: I know I feel for the PM. What choice did
• 48:57
  Speaker 7: he have he had to dance.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: That's it from us to stick are out coming up,
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: It's the Reader Penny Show.
• 49:01
  Speaker 4: Good Night