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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E30 'ft Kara Winger' November 4, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time, we're honored Athletics, LLC would allow us to
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  present to you the audio version of their weekly Friday Night,
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  YouTube series. Let's get to and see what the
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  crew has in store this week. Ladies and gentlemen and not
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  just me this time. So welcome, welcome.
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  Welcome to another episode of Athletics Elsie.
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  Obviously, we have a guest this week to her and save the best
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  for last, but in say hi to everybody else.
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  So lucious, how are you tonight, sir?
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  I'm well, I'm well, excellent, excellent.
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  That was a great Halloween rendition of you and Coach
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  Peterson. Mmm, really?
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  We And for life with that one, seriously, that was pretty funny
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  but they when they came walking out of the door of my jaws like
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  that was awesome for me was the the brisk walk around the turn?
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  Oh yes, I love it. Clyde, how are you tonight, sir?
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  This Winger is here. It is November.
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  And that was very well played by the gator women.
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  So my week is going very well. Oh man, you guys just want to
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  put all these words into your title.
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  So I have to read them on the day that I don't wear my glasses
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  Polly, the Winger was my 2022. Spirit animal Governor, how are
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  you tonight, sir? I'm well, and this, this is,
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  this is a special special night. You know, it's there were few
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  times this year where I watched track and field and actually
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  shed a tear, and this Winger is responsible for this.
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  So, yes, I'm very excited to be on and I'm honored to be on the
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  show. I love it, I love it.
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  And this is not the first time we're hearing this, he has said
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  that he you are his spirit animal.
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  Whew. Okay, so it's like, truly a
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  thing. Not just a nice thing.
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  Yarn over again, felt lesbian Greer.
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  And I'm just going to punch you after that, but our future,
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  tonight's very, very well. I've been trying to, you know,
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  just slug through the rest of the day to hurry up to get to
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  this part. Because I listen, I was like
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  giddy as a schoolgirl when I sent her the text message to ask
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  her to be on the show and she said, yes.
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  Yes. So you know one of the more
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  important yeses I've gotten in my life.
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  Not the most, not the most, that's two weeks of marriage.
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  Talk anybody else know that? Oh my god, really?
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  Lord. Yeah, weirdo weird.
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  Right. Last but not least, this care
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  winter. It's like, I don't even like, I
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  don't even want to give you a pre-emptive because at this
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  point, if they don't know, Or are they just don't deserve this
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  conversation? I mean, yeah, if you watch this
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  show and don't know who she is, seriously, don't renew your
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  subscription, you know. That's I mean, that's very
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  flattering. Thank you.
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  And yeah, everyone's making me feel so welcome.
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  I truly cannot believe how my career ended and I'm thrilled
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  that people wanna hear about it. So I really appreciate you
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  having me. Yeah, no, absolutely.
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  And like you're saying, first and foremost, I couldn't even, I
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  can't believe I didn't see this. Relations.
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  Congratulations. On the year.
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  That was dumb of me. I was stupid made.
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  Thank you so much fun to watch and so entertaining and to have
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  it done in the fashion that you did.
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  It was super just super excited, clu TCH,
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  Just like walks up, we only explosion.
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  Yeah, and I look back at like at USAA, is that USA Track and
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  Field national championships and I did not go there necessarily
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  expecting to win. Like I knew I could perform well
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  I've been consistent on the season but I thought that was my
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  magic moment of the summer and it just kept getting cooler and
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  I am absolutely aghast. So who wants to open up with
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  questions? I mean, I know everyone else
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  will have better questions than me, so I'm gonna get back while
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  I can but it's it's an important one.
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  And she's probably the perfect person to answer this athletes
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  regardless of the sport. No one gets to go out the way
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  you're going out. No one gets to go out.
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  Truly on top. And I would just like, you know,
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  to hear from someone who has done, it literally better than
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  anyone else. That's the best exit ever.
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  Yeah. Like what does that feel like?
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  And like, just just talk about it because it's amazing.
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  Thank you. And I don't know what to say
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  yet. Like I told my husband rest.
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  I was like, I, I like to write. I like to free.
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  Write, I just like, will set a timer and like put words on
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  paper and I'm so used to Jibing, disappointment and frustration,
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  and heartbreak that I tried to do that after the season.
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  And I still don't have words like I'm just and he looked at
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  me and he said, isn't that fulfillment?
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  Like, isn't that satisfaction? And it's just like this, so
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  deep, like I get to be now who I thought I always could be, but I
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  spent so many years finding value in the journey anyway that
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  it's just this baffling like I'm the same like I'm still the same
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  person I just like having Is tangible evidence of so many
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  years of hard work and I'm still trying to figure out ways to
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  talk about that that are relatable to other people.
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  Like I just, I am in disbelief 100% but what I'm so.
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  So, so proud of is this wasn't just this year.
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  This decision this was as soon as Eugene World Championships
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  were announced, I am from the Pacific Northwest.
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  I grew up in Vancouver Washington.
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  My parents literally Park their motor home at the same RV park
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  like, Every time we have a meet there, and that's exactly where
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  they stayed. Like it was just so comfortable
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  home, soil, like the ideal, ending to my career, to be in a
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  place that like, everything that could have happened to me in the
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  sport happened to me like, I tore my ACL there.
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  The first time I made all four Olympic teams there, I didn't
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  perform well at Olympic trials. They're like I just I had every
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  experience that I can imagine. So going back there and having
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  it be my absolute last. Unity to do something that I had
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  always wanted to do the feeling of Peace.
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  Like right before my last throw was just it was so cool.
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  Like I knew I've never felt like that before that I knew I was
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  going to do it in that moment. And the power in deciding that
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  long before this season, I think was really the, The X Factor
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  like it had been literally four plus years.
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  That I knew that this would be my final word to World
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  Championships and so just like, you know, I'm a I'm a slow
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  adopter, I guess, but having all of that type of cookies to it
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  and understand that, that would be my absolute final
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  opportunity. Just made it all up.
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  Magical. Yeah.
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  And I agree sticking to my guns like I said that USA's I thought
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  was my magic moment then I thought world's was my magic
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  moment on the season and I just it kept getting better so
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  there's absolutely no reason for me to return.
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  Like I know what it's like to fail.
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  I know what it's like to be disappointed.
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  And now I have this other feeling and I'd like to stick
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  with them. Wow, that is like New York Times
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  bestseller novel type stuff. And I don't think I mean, you're
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  probably still processing everything right now but to be
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  able to tell the audience, what it, what it's like to prepare
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  for the end. If there's anything, the track
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  and field athletes have a Um, with major, major, major
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  problems with, especially those that have been in the sport for
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  a long time. It is, it is, what is the end
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  going to look like? And how do you paint that
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  picture or do you even bother painting that picture?
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  You know, I envisioned for myself.
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  I envisioned myself going until I couldn't go anymore.
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  And that's literally what happened.
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  I, you know, it went from knee surgery to hip surgery to
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  pulling my hamstring completely off the bone on the other side,
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  okay? It's it, you know, and and you
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  know, it I still had to go through the withdrawals and
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  everything that came along with that.
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  But I remember saying to myself, I'm going to ride This until the
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  wheels fall off, I'm gonna go till I can't go and I have no
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  regrets about that. Now, I'd said it to you earlier
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  in the show. Like, you know, I remember you,
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  you know, meeting you in Austin when I was coaching at
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  University of Texas and, you know, I'd like to hear a little
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  bit about that Journey for you and where and why, you know, it
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  seems like if you look at your, you know, your top 10 marks,
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  It's Austin seems to be a very special place for you.
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  Can you tell me a little bit about where, how Austin came
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  into the mix and why you thrown so far there?
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  Yeah, I with Tae SE van, he was my coach from graduation from
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  Purdue like that first professional year until the 2017
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  season. So, you know, we worked together
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  for three years in Chula Vista and then he was at un0 for a
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  second and then went to Texas. So I live in Colorado Springs,
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  it was only 13 hours drive and the springs is pretty cold like
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  in the winter. So any chance I got?
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  I would go to Austin to train with him and those times were
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  just like, just that little extra something different like
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  different routine, I would often bring my dog, we would go you
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  know to to the lake Lady Bird Lake and swim and she loved it
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  every single day. And just like this, like I love
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  a training camp. Camp and those were really my
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  first experiences with that, that just like the only thing I
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  have to do is go train and then eat well and sleep and cuddle
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  with my dog. Like I'm just this my
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  concentrated time to just be an athlete without family without
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  work stuff that gets in the way and just be a job went over.
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  So I think that's really what the magic was but my farthest
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  throw in Austin was actually like one of the times.
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  I said a lot like This year that I didn't really have any
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  business coming back from ACL number one, right?
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  Like I'd had that surgery in the fall of 2012.
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  I'd you know, made two Olympic teams at that point, but not
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  ever shown, like consistency outside of one season.
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  Like I didn't necessarily have the experience to tell me that,
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  like, it was going to be worth me returning to Sport and 2013
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  was, you know, I gotta manage to get on the podium at nine months
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  post, op, which was Wild 2014. I won the First ever
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  competition, where two women from the US, were over 200 feet
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  in the same meat and then in 2015 I was just sick of being
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  like tentative. Like I had gotten back to a
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  pretty good level but I just really wanted to like blow the
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  doors off of it. And at the time that felt like
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  such a long time from my PR, which was in 2010.
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  So, it had only been five years. But at that point, I was like,
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  oh my gosh, it's been an age since I've thrown a PR and to
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  throw 60 64, Seven in Austin, three years post-op when I just
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  I very consciously was like, I'm done being scared.
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  I'm just going to put my leg out there and see what happens, you
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  know, called my sport psychologist at the time
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  immediately and I was just over the moon excited like this felt
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  like such a breakthrough for me mentally and it was all because
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  I was in this like, safe concentrated Javelin place of
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  Austin at to clad Littlefield Stadium.
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  I could listen to this like all day.
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  There's so many chapters, right? Yeah, it's takes forever to tell
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  the story. I know I'm going to be selfish
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  because like I've I was blessed enough to feel a little bit of
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  this moment that I'm going to ask you about internally myself.
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  But I want to know. What it's like for somebody else
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  to describe your very last javelin throw.
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  Was the best one you've ever done, right?
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  And like, When you're a little kid, you in the backyard, every
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  time you shoot the last shot, it goes in right?
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  Yeah. You know we all wish Michael
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  Jordan have retired after he pushed Brian Russell off and a
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  jump shot, well for some ungodly reason.
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  He felt like he needed to go play in the play for the Wizards
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  and we ought to and we, honestly all alike.
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  We act like, we act like it didn't happen, right?
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  Like we all act like a retired when he when he pushed off.
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  Brian Russell. What he did, right?
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  Yeah. It was Clyde.
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  Don't start. that's another argument you're going to lose,
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  but I want to know like take me and personally because I'm like
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  popcorn waiting for this answer but like, take our viewership
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  through you pick up the javelin for your last throw and you know
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  what, you last throw It's through that.
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  Like from the time you pull the thing out of that little stupid
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  cart, they have to time it lands and you know it's really deep
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  like what does that feel like? So my most recent American
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  record was actually at the second to last meet of the
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  season so that was like my second.
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  Yeah. But 64 98 to win the Zurich
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  Diamond League final was I think I'm now going to be tested on
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  this. My fifth best throw about time.
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  So like, that's pretty cool, too.
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  Like, I'm pretty thrilled with that to be my last through ever
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  and be in the top ten like by far, like top five.
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  So I went to therapy, starting like right before.
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  New Year's this year. I was like, I want to get my
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  ducks in a row. I really, you know, I feel
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  confident in this decision, but how can I intentionally spend
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  time I'm so that I get like, A thing out of this last season
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  that I've been missing like I just I feel like I leak energy
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  sometimes like I'm not spending my energy on stuff that I
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  necessarily want to and how can I wrap myself a wrap my mind
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  around like just being that little bit extra selfish that
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  maybe I've never been so that I can do the things.
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  I actually want to do with the people who are closest to me,
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  who have been there for 20 years and that just meant that every
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  like rest kept making fun of me. He was like, stop being so
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  melodramatic about all of these. Excuse the last throwing session
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  that I had on American soil. I like made him sit down with me
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  on the end of the runway and I was like, this is the last time
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  that I will throw a javelin in the United States.
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  Like let us talk about this. Like let us be here together and
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  like just do this with me so that I can really like take in
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  the moment. Feel my feelings.
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  Like I've never been shy about doing that and I really it was
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  super helpful to share that throughout this final season 2
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  to just, you know, make sure that people knew that it was
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  going to be the last time so it Just felt like I had practiced
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  that so many times when I picked the job, one up for my final
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  throw and kind of a micro example of that.
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  Is that I threw the same Javelin that I had set.
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  The American record in 2010, to set this American record in
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  2022, and it was like Photo and quote, the wrong Javelin.
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  Like I had been told by the manufacturer like, no, you
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  should be throwing this like stiffer like more highly rated
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  Javelin to throw further, but it just never quite worked for.
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  B. So in my final two beads, I was
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  like I'm just another job on that.
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  I love, like I'm going to trust myself so picking it up for
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  final time after so many great experiences was just a
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  celebration and I know that that throw could have been much
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  further. Like I definitely got to be the
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  last in the order, the diamond league and every other Diamond
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  league is like the order is different.
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  I was the last and I had already won like I could have made it
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  really really. Really Amazing.
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  So that's my only little bit of like wasn't ideal, but to be top
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  5 and know, and have celebrated, like, I couldn't stop laughing
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  actually like during that throw because I was just like, how
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  could this have happened? Like I get a bye into next
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  year's World Championships. That I'm not going to use like
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  this, it just felt like normal and just the deepest sense of
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  peace. That you could feel for sure.
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  You gotta keep everybody like on their toes.
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  Don't send in your paperwork. Usatf like employee be like,
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  hey, are you gonna file that? Just hang on to it.
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  Really, I would love to not worry about the drug tester
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  showing up at some everybody's comment.
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  No, for real. That's that's the impetus to
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  retire. It's stop having them come to
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  your house. And that is the only reason that
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  I like really wanted to wait because like, I know, the only
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  thing I do know about retirement is that it's really hard to come
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  out of it drug testing wise so I took like a month and I was
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  like, okay I'm sure of the distance this decision.
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  I just still have to actually sign the dotted line.
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  That's awesome Solutions. Yeah, I'll be honest, I don't
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  have a question. You guys got to cover the gamut
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  with, not just the questions about the conversation.
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  I just want to say like, wow, you know, it was just phenomenal
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  to watch and for me, it's like the joy of it.
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  Like you talk about how you can stop laughing through your last
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  throw. No, that was you throughout the
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  year, you know, to my watched you grown.
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  You just seem to be thoroughly in the moment and enjoying every
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  step of the journey. So I just want to say
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  congratulations and well done. And thank you for allowing us to
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  share and all that. It was, it was pretty amazing to
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  watch. Thank you.
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  I think like, like talking about the wheels coming off, right?
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  I the wheels did come off, like I tore my ACL a second time in
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  August of 2020. And I truly didn't think that I
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  would get back to a level that I was used to when that Opened for
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  sure like 20 21, and it's in and of itself, blew me away.
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  But to get to decide was the really emotional like acceptance
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  part of it. Like I just, I didn't know that
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  I could make it through that second, really, really difficult
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  process and the timing of it was awful, but to get to choose to
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  retire, still in the timeline that I wanted to originally
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  before that. Injury is where that Joy came
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  from like it just was such a pleasure to jog down the runway
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  without an hour of rehab before hands like I just I was so
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  grateful for my healthy body in a way that I would not have been
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  without that second surgery regardless of how difficult it
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  was and how much it derailed like what I thought was going to
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  be my ideal Olympics that. I just I couldn't help but love
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  what I was doing because I actually got to do it again and
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  that felt like the biggest Gift. But so I know Chu has a business
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  related question that is very, very important.
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  But I want to ask this because it was something that struck me
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  this year, you know, your season and, you know, with their home
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  national champs home, World Championships and all that
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  because you are such a star in your story was so intriguing.
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  The camera was on women's Javelin a lot more than we is
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  normally, right? And that's a great thing.
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  But one thing that I subconsciously was aware of, but
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  was kind of shocked into bye-bye, watching you so much,
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  is no one really understands the level of violence that that
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  event demands on the body and you've suffered major, major
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  injuries because of it because of it.
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  I just think that's really, really interesting at Worlds.
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  They were shots of you from the front and it's like, oh my God
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  like what is this? So please explain that because
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  none of us can the intentional car crash.
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  Oh, it's awesome. Yeah, Sean Furey I think he was
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  like four-time National Champion.
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  He calls it a combination. Belly-flopping car crash.
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  Hmm. Because you have to like relax
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  into it and like let it happen but you know that it's coming.
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  Like you can see the impact that's on its way.
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  Well, in this is like also about the wheels coming off, like part
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  of the reason I'm going to stick to your retirement, is that?
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  I watched those throws from the front and I could still see my
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  knee trying to go inward, right? Like even in the brace, like, I
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  know. Now like I this most recent PT
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  Kelsey Whitman of the u.s. OPC, she said, carry your knee
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  can handle two ACL surgeries. You do not want a third like for
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  life, like arthritis development, for all that stuff.
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  And so to see that violent action still happening to this
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  leg, that's only two years post-op.
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  Like I'm good like that but you're right, like, there's
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  there's so much more rotational Force than people understand
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  about the javelin to like, you're developing forces in so
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  many different planes. It's the event.
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  That is a run, a jump, and a throw.
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  And you. I think I tore my ACL the first
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  time because I thought it was just a single leg block.
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  I understood how to use both legs in that block.
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  I've described it to Tiana Madison.
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  As like, her block, like, is absorbing the same forces, but I
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  have to stay on the ground. I don't get to get out of that
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  pressure, and I have to move through it, and then Propel and
• 24:35
  Implement as far as they can. So, yeah, if you watch long, a
• 24:40
  triple jump takeoffs, You imagine just staying on the
• 24:43
  ground. I'm obviously not as fast as
• 24:45
  them. So the forces are going to be
• 24:47
  like, not quite as bad. There's just a lot more torque
• 24:50
  that happens when your spikes stick and you then have to move
• 24:54
  body parts around joints. Yeah, acceleration is everything
• 25:01
  so moving as fast as possible like at the last moment that
• 25:05
  your feet touch, the ground is when those forces can generate
• 25:09
  really big injuries. And then you have to be patient
• 25:12
  in that motion to let your arm be remember, coach path to
• 25:17
  striving, describing it, like driving a car into a wall with
• 25:22
  no seat belt. And your arm is your body going
• 25:27
  through the windshield. And I'm like, alright, I will
• 25:33
  not up for it, try the javelin and Oh my gosh, like there is
• 25:42
  some like rotating around the bar, but it's when you're off
• 25:45
  the ground. So like that ground contact is
• 25:47
  when all of the danger happens like if you catch a ski on the
• 25:49
  slopes, right? Like you're like gets pulled
• 25:52
  that way because you're still touching the ground Vault, you
• 25:55
  know, they're the propelled object and all the rotation
• 25:58
  happens when their feet aren't on the ground, obviously,
• 26:01
  injury, still happen, but Ariana and fellow Tokyo Olympian and
• 26:07
  second place at Nationals this year.
• 26:09
  We were the second first and second Javelin throwers at 36
• 26:14
  and 33 and I believe that the oldest woman's one and two in
• 26:18
  the history of individual events at National Championships.
• 26:22
  But she used it pole vaulter, like she was actually a D1
• 26:26
  vaulter, a track and then started throwing job when after
• 26:35
  college. But she says that she wanted to
• 26:37
  stop howling other stuff, she wanted to be the catapult
• 26:41
  Rather, the wise choice, it's definitely a train wreck.
• 26:49
  It's when you do, it's more when you do it wrong, that's a train
• 26:57
  wreck when you do it, right? It's easier, but it takes a lot
• 27:03
  of practice doing it wrong to do it, right?
• 27:05
  So that's when disaster strikes as with anything you need.
• 27:11
  Yeah. So the business question, that
• 27:15
  Collide referred to. I'm going to read it verbatim
• 27:17
  because I'm not even I'll mess it up.
• 27:19
  If I add a little bit what do you have at?
• 27:22
  What advice do you have for athletes?
• 27:24
  Who are carving out a career? As a female thrower knowing that
• 27:30
  Financial backing opportunities are slim at best.
• 27:38
  I like to say that you can put all of your eggs in all of your
• 27:43
  baskets. I know, I know that I was lucky
• 27:47
  at the time that I graduated from college.
• 27:50
  The fact that, you know, I think the ni L guidelines are a really
• 27:55
  interesting and exciting move for a lot of people but it just
• 27:59
  introduces like a whole other job that you have to do as a
• 28:02
  student. And I worry about that in terms
• 28:06
  of like athletic development, Like how do you split your focus
• 28:09
  that many ways and still you know, like I just said put all
• 28:12
  your eggs and all your baskets but anyway I graduated at a time
• 28:16
  when I could get a sponsorship that had an actual salary base,
• 28:22
  it was only twelve thousand dollars at the time but the
• 28:26
  bonus structure was such that it became a very livable situation
• 28:30
  because I succeeded early but talking to my fellow throwers
• 28:35
  right now. I know that that's absolutely
• 28:37
  not true. Um, anymore.
• 28:39
  And the wild thing about this season is that I have
• 28:44
  relationships to the tracks Smith and the New York Athletic
• 28:47
  Club. But I got to have my friend,
• 28:50
  Katie Chef, still customize, my shoes and cover up the Nike logo
• 28:56
  of the shoes that I purchased, because I'm not paid to wear any
• 29:00
  shoes logos and other people can't do that because they
• 29:04
  either have a good contract or they I've just been given gear
• 29:09
  and been told that that's the only thing that they can wear.
• 29:12
  So I just I, as I navigated this season, and as amazing things
• 29:17
  kept happening in my head I was like, catching catching catching
• 29:21
  the dollar signs. That would have been mine with a
• 29:24
  contract, are pretty unbelievable.
• 29:27
  Like, if I apply my performances to what I had before I turned
• 29:32
  30, it was a lot of money that I get zero of the Dollars and that
• 29:39
  like love of sport that truly doing it for me, like I want
• 29:44
  more for women athletes. I want them to be paid that more
• 29:46
  than a hundred thousand dollars, but it is still, so valuable to
• 29:51
  navigate it with the people that I got to navigate it with.
• 29:54
  And I was able to fund my job will inhabit, eventually by
• 29:58
  getting a full-time job. That was flexible enough to work
• 30:01
  with me as still an athlete. So I think finding a way to Kick
• 30:08
  around is truly what my advice is because I pr that 36 after 12
• 30:15
  years. Like I don't I I'm amazed but re
• 30:20
  also at 33 getting s at 33 at Nationals but also like making
• 30:25
  her first Olympic team at the age of 32.
• 30:29
  Then at the end of this season she started competing in like in
• 30:34
  April through in Zagreb on like Bird 10 and through World
• 30:42
  Championship standing for next year had a m PR and now has like
• 30:47
  done herself this favor to like take the pressure off for next
• 30:51
  season and concentrate on things that can make her throw even
• 30:53
  further. So that wouldn't be possible.
• 30:55
  Unless like, she had been making her dreams happen along the way.
• 30:58
  And I just think that the glamour doesn't have to be in
• 31:01
  the money. I want it to be, and I want
• 31:03
  people to get back there, but I just love seeing women.
• 31:07
  And succeed for the joy of it. Like, sir lucious is saying
• 31:13
  like, it's fun to do something that you're good at and do it to
• 31:17
  your absolute best ability and how, like, however, you make
• 31:20
  that happen, is what you should do.
• 31:24
  Well, we can be be pursuing multiple dreams at once, and
• 31:28
  I've always tried to do that. So one of the more unpopular
• 31:32
  things that I tell a lot of young athletes that ask me for
• 31:35
  advice, and that sort of thing, is that Unless track and field
• 31:41
  changes the current structure. The money you're going to make
• 31:46
  is going to be vastly more once you're done with the sport.
• 31:52
  Now what does the sport do? Well, the sport prepares you for
• 31:55
  that and I don't care what field you're in.
• 31:59
  Okay? When you've gone through a Cara
• 32:01
  Wingers been through, I don't care what you throw?
• 32:04
  A car Winger this point. Okay?
• 32:07
  I just had a thought like Like if Kara Winger wanted to just do
• 32:13
  speaking tours for the rest of her life.
• 32:16
  She could do that, right. She has a story to tell and it's
• 32:21
  a story that no one else can tell right.
• 32:24
  That's, that's valuable that's value.
• 32:28
  You know. So sorry I've got something in
• 32:33
  my throat but obviously what you just said is very Be very
• 32:39
  important because far too many athletes get to the point where
• 32:45
  in their minds, it's not making dollars and cents and that's the
• 32:50
  only driving thing that's keeping them going and they're
• 32:54
  not looking for those other alternative revenue streams that
• 32:59
  can keep them going, right? And that's that's the part about
• 33:04
  track and feeling. And it's a shame that it's we're
• 33:06
  still in this situation. But for those, you know, for
• 33:11
  those that just do it for the love and are waiting for that
• 33:16
  moment where they have that breakthrough when they can
• 33:20
  actually achieve those big things.
• 33:22
  Yeah, I mean, you're literally sacrificing your entire life,
• 33:28
  you know, for a moment or two or five like you, he's like, oh
• 33:35
  yeah, I really appreciate, you know.
• 33:39
  Know that that message and it's, you know, for a lot of young
• 33:42
  athletes that is a very hard pill to swallow.
• 33:47
  Because what do they see? They see what's happening in the
• 33:51
  bright lights right there seeing the Pomp and Circumstance and
• 33:55
  they're not really understanding what it is.
• 33:59
  You put your body through what you put your mind through year
• 34:02
  after year, week after week, day after day.
• 34:06
  So it's yeah, it's a labor of love.
• 34:10
  That's what it is. I think that it is absolutely
• 34:14
  sacrificed but you can frame that as negative or positive in
• 34:19
  my opinion, like I have loved being part of the world of track
• 34:23
  and field you know like it expanded my worldview and stages
• 34:27
  like throughout high school college and then being in
• 34:31
  foreign countries like with people from my country, they
• 34:35
  didn't look like me. Like I just I came from rural
• 34:38
  Washington. Date.
• 34:39
  Like I was just exposed to so many amazing people from so many
• 34:42
  different backgrounds, a little bit more at a time until I was
• 34:45
  like this world is amazing and I want to be part of it and I said
• 34:49
  I didn't have any business coming back from ACL number one.
• 34:52
  But I think the reason that I did is that I loved the
• 34:55
  lifestyle and being surrounded by amazing people like to just
• 35:00
  be a part of it is what I wanted and I always knew whether it was
• 35:04
  conscious or not that if I could throw 60 meters, you know and
• 35:08
  then T2 as the world got better, I could go to these competitions
• 35:12
  and be in the mix and just like see how amazing people from
• 35:16
  every corner of the globe were at this very specific thing that
• 35:20
  we do. And there's you know there's not
• 35:24
  a whole lot of Glory in the javelin and when you really get
• 35:27
  down to but in any event in track and field or in any sport
• 35:31
  like it is fleeting, but what are you actually there for, to
• 35:35
  be your best and to spend time with these other people that are
• 35:38
  the only the ones in the world that understand what you're
• 35:40
  going through. So that's really what it's been
• 35:44
  about for me. Like you you're sacrificing but
• 35:48
  that you love like of course you're going to do that because
• 35:51
  this is this is your life like it's fun to try hard and for me
• 35:54
  it's always been really fun to pay attention to the details and
• 35:57
  know that I'm prepared for those moments when they come my
• 36:06
  favorite part. With with Alan Johnson in year
• 36:11
  one. About a lot of today's athletes
• 36:14
  are competing. They are there in the sport for
• 36:17
  contracts and not for careers. And and my favorite part about
• 36:22
  this whole story is like, Cara Wingers.
• 36:25
  Life is what a career looks like.
• 36:27
  It's for olympiads. Two major injuries to Major
• 36:30
  comebacks and a PB at 36. Right.
• 36:34
  That's what a career looks like. Well, why is all of that?
• 36:37
  Like why do you have to have all those pieces?
• 36:39
  Because that's how you get remembered.
• 36:41
  Yeah, right. Like I'm not trying to be funny
• 36:44
  but if she had thrown what she threw at 36 at 27, right?
• 36:50
  Went through one Olympics and they didn't go good and then she
• 36:53
  retired decide to go on with life, right?
• 36:56
  She still be the American record holder.
• 36:59
  We wouldn't remember her, right? And that's the only serious.
• 37:04
  Like, that's the that's the part that so many people in this
• 37:07
  generation. Don't get, is that people
• 37:09
  remember those with careers? Yeah.
• 37:13
  Right money is awesome, but nobody's going to count your
• 37:17
  money for you. You know what I mean?
• 37:18
  They're not going to be like, man.
• 37:19
  I care when your weights so much money as a javelin thrower, like
• 37:22
  if you did, you know what I'm saying?
• 37:23
  Like, nobody's remember that, right?
• 37:25
  Nobody's gonna remember that and all that stuff is so in the
• 37:28
  shadows anyway. Dale, I can track and field that
• 37:30
  you you don't get to know that like you can speculate about
• 37:33
  what people's contracts are, but it's not public information.
• 37:38
  I cannot believe that I got to retire in the same year as
• 37:42
  Allyson Felix and Michelle Corner.
• 37:46
  Yeah, yeah, and I grew up with them.
• 37:50
  So my like a story. I heard they ever tell people
• 37:54
  like publicly but in person also, adhere Allison.
• 37:59
  Mates at Beijing. Team processing in San Jose like
• 38:04
  for one night. And I was in the room and I'd
• 38:08
  seen her run for a couple years when I was still at Junior
• 38:11
  Nationals. So I obviously knew who I was.
• 38:14
  And Felix was it's her second, but I'm in the room and she
• 38:19
  walked in and I was like, am I in the wrong room?
• 38:38
  It just over so many years. Like someone who is that
• 38:43
  decorated to you know we just had so many moments of like on
• 38:49
  massage tables next to each other on teams like talking
• 38:52
  about dogs and by the elevator at when she ran that ridiculous
• 38:56
  split on the 4x4 at Beijing World Championships.
• 38:59
  Like I could just see how fired shot fired up.
• 39:01
  She was like, for herself about that split and her role on the
• 39:06
  team, like on the relay rather than her individual event.
• 39:09
  Like I just I've always been such a huge fan but it's
• 39:12
  Alison's. Those like, are we friends?
• 39:13
  I don't know. And to watch her mettle in
• 39:21
  Tokyo, even for her to make that that team like her race at
• 39:27
  trials and the 400 like that. Duration at the end was so
• 39:31
  ridiculous. I'm just such a fan and she's
• 39:36
  clearly supported me this whole time to like she commented on my
• 39:39
  Instagram after trials last year.
• 39:41
  And she was like, it's been so wonderful to watch your
• 39:43
  recovery. Like I just there's no stories
• 39:47
  like that if you don't stick around, like, if you don't get
• 39:50
  to share all these moments with women who again are going
• 39:54
  through the exact same stuff. It's just in a little bit of a
• 39:57
  parallel universe. Man I'm so so proud to have been
• 40:02
  their teammates for so long. Michelle was on my neck.
• 40:07
  Ack. Under-23 team in 2006 in the
• 40:11
  Dominican Republic where I met my husband.
• 40:15
  Oh wow. And she was one of the ones that
• 40:19
  made fun of us. The most, for all of the time we
• 40:21
  were spending together. Hmm.
• 40:25
  Oh, that's funny. That's all Awesome.
• 40:29
  Let's it's such a great story to hear just the endurance of it.
• 40:33
  That's what I think kids resonated with me is just the
• 40:36
  endurance of it and making it so that for lack of better ways to
• 40:41
  say you don't have too many leaks and you end up in your
• 40:43
  destination. Yeah.
• 40:45
  Right. You don't get any detours or
• 40:47
  unnecessary AAA stops like you made it to your destination
• 40:50
  where you should be when you should have gotten there.
• 40:52
  So that's super kudos for you and that's amazing.
• 40:56
  And I hope that everybody really truly understands what that In
• 40:59
  the end because it means a lot. Yeah.
• 41:02
  When I, there's so many more people to like, I don't think
• 41:08
  you get a career, if you don't notice the people that are on
• 41:10
  your team and by your side. And for me, that's been
• 41:13
  sportsmed at every turn. I don't I don't talk about my
• 41:17
  left shoulder surgery, very much, but that one, you know,
• 41:20
  that's the year that I threw that 66 47 in Austin.
• 41:23
  Like I thought that I was going to set the world on fire and I
• 41:28
  had a really good. USA's.
• 41:29
  And then I had this super unfortunate like non-dominant
• 41:34
  side injury, and it wasn't my fault.
• 41:39
  It was a chiropractic adjustment gone wrong that I didn't want.
• 41:43
  And I never talked about like the actual mechanism of injury,
• 41:47
  but I'm far enough removed from it.
• 41:48
  Now that it was just like me being in a position that I
• 41:51
  wasn't comfortable with resisting, it freak accident,
• 41:55
  but devastating, for what? That was going to be my comeback
• 42:00
  season and it was in some ways, but it could have been really
• 42:04
  amazing and between both knees and that like, very unfair
• 42:09
  poorly timed injury, those medical professionals that like
• 42:13
  taught me more about my body than I ever knew or wanted to
• 42:15
  know necessarily religious the the true like superheroes of my
• 42:20
  career and to take them a bib like from the major championship
• 42:24
  or rest and I took we both metal that pan.
• 42:28
  As in 2015, and we took our little Podium stuffed animals to
• 42:32
  my PT at the time because she had twin girls, and I gave them
• 42:35
  to her and, like, share the journey.
• 42:39
  There's no reason to navigate it, if you don't.
• 42:41
  So, that's what kept me around for so long.
• 42:45
  The people fear and chiropractors that have ever
• 42:51
  worked on Javelin throwers or decathlete who boy or have
• 42:54
  Catholics. But for Ashley, Yeah.
• 42:58
  But period. Yeah, they get their money's
• 43:08
  worth, you know, this isn't necessarily true because it's
• 43:12
  when I tore my ACL the second time.
• 43:14
  But in 2020, when I didn't have access to Sports Med, I kind of
• 43:19
  felt my best. And then I went in like torment,
• 43:22
  like minutes, whatever. But like, re lived at my house
• 43:27
  iCarly The press and I for four months, like we trained together
• 43:30
  that summer because she was like really isolated in California
• 43:33
  and we would do like tiny little, like shoulder rehab
• 43:38
  things on each other, but not having treatment for a long
• 43:41
  time. I really feel like whether it
• 43:43
  was the very unilateral, like imbalanced Javelin equilibrium
• 43:49
  that I found, or I actually like did some sort of maturing and
• 43:53
  building an old lady strength. I don't know, but I haven't
• 43:56
  needed it. Let's prep for retirement, maybe
• 44:05
  13 years. Also, he was absolutely
• 44:08
  essential to my career and he told me recently said, my
• 44:12
  favorite powerlifting quote is don't come off, strength
• 44:16
  Mountain too fast there as a super imbalanced thrower.
• 44:21
  Like if I just stop like my whole body will disintegrate.
• 44:24
  Probably so I've tried to keep keep the retirement Fitness up
• 44:29
  first. Oh goodness, well, we appreciate
• 44:34
  your time, we appreciate your story, we appreciate you most of
• 44:38
  all. But you know, it's great to be
• 44:41
  able to share your story. It's great to be able to have
• 44:43
  you tell it yourself and we hope that everyone that sees here in
• 44:47
  watches this is able to appreciate it.
• 44:51
  Well, thank you. I'll never get tired of telling
• 44:55
  it. I don't think it does.
• 45:02
  But as a woman to like it's been really nice to say, I'm super
• 45:06
  proud of myself. I'm super proud of my team for
• 45:08
  sure, but I'm very proud of sticking around this long like
• 45:13
  we've talked about, but just yeah believing for this long and
• 45:17
  having it actually come to fruition, he's really fun.
• 45:21
  Absolutely. Well, you go enjoy the rest of
• 45:25
  your evening, whatever, that might be for you.
• 45:28
  And hopefully we see you sooner than later.
• 45:33
  Well, thank you for having me. It's bless ya.
• 45:36
  Thank you. Be careful.
• 45:38
  Have a good night. Have a good night.
• 45:41
  Bye. Everybody can take it and
• 45:50
  exhale. Now the fan girl moments done
• 45:53
  for you guys. I'm just kidding.
• 45:58
  Well now that was great. That was a great story to share.
• 46:01
  So love it. So very interesting happened.
• 46:11
  I don't even know what I mean. So I feel like your printer
• 46:17
  prompt a conversation by putting it on.
• 46:19
  Are you fishing for something? No, no I'm prepared for our next
• 46:23
  phase. Oh okay.
• 46:30
  All right. So a question that we had
• 46:33
  discussed midweek and I'm going to put it in the air to be
• 46:37
  discussed again or in thorough languages with everybody paying
• 46:42
  attention to it. It's rumored that the NCAA will
• 46:46
  change our scholarship status for track and field to a
• 46:50
  headcount sport versus equivalency.
• 46:54
  Do we and I'm going to limit it to the tiles because it is our
• 46:58
  opinions so everybody else can argue against everything else.
• 47:01
  But do we as our tiles entity here really want this to happen.
• 47:09
  Bring we should start with the King now in their first, or last
• 47:15
  first. First world problems one.
• 47:17
  Yes, the first world problems. I'm going to go last.
• 47:21
  Okay, I'll jump in. When you when you, when we first
• 47:29
  heard, you know the whatever you want to call it competition
• 47:34
  committee, change committee, whatever they're calling
• 47:36
  themselves these days. When you first heard the rumors
• 47:38
  of this, it was like dope. Give us more.
• 47:43
  Give us more, right? I don't like seeing you like I'm
• 47:47
  not going to turn down more scholarship money.
• 47:50
  I'll take that all day. You want to give me 30
• 47:52
  scholarships? I'll take it.
• 47:55
  But I don't know. I don't really I'm not really
• 47:58
  feeling the everybody gets the same money thing.
• 48:02
  I'm just not our sport is extremely unique and I can I
• 48:09
  don't like the feeling of everyone on my team right now
• 48:16
  it's on scholarship. Would be on a full scholarship.
• 48:21
  I like the fact that our sport gets too Play with, if you will
• 48:27
  change award based on the context of the performances,
• 48:33
  give it, we're not a team sport at our core and I don't think
• 48:41
  that you know an NCAA All-American and a conference
• 48:46
  score. Should be on the same
• 48:47
  scholarship. Let alone someone today who
• 48:50
  would be getting you know books in a few thousand dollars He's
• 48:55
  for sure, doesn't belong on the same scholarship as an NCAA
• 48:58
  score. So if you could find, if there's
• 49:02
  a way to give me more scholarship money and still not,
• 49:05
  have it be headcount. I think I would much rather land
• 49:09
  in that zone, then just move it to headcount and I, and I'm open
• 49:15
  to being talked off, that ledge with, that's where I'm at with
• 49:18
  it. It doesn't, it doesn't feel
• 49:20
  doesn't feel proper to me. Well, as far as the idea of a
• 49:28
  headcount Sport and track for coming ahead counts for that.
• 49:33
  Just leaves me to believe that. The point of all of this.
• 49:38
  And I know that there are certain individuals in our sport
• 49:41
  that have talked with us up for decades and have pushed for
• 49:46
  this. And the idea that NCAA is should
• 49:51
  be purely about the best teams showing up at the ncaa's to
• 49:58
  compete against each other, right?
• 50:01
  And what, what does that look like, well, As Clyde.
• 50:06
  So eloquently put it. That means that the kid that
• 50:11
  should be on books 2000 dollars, whatever, right?
• 50:16
  They're going to have every opportunity together ring right
• 50:21
  at the national championships. By the sheer fact that they're
• 50:25
  on this team, that goes to the NCAA championships.
• 50:30
  Now obviously, you know, team, It's whatever you can throw
• 50:37
  everything at the wall. When you when you break, when
• 50:39
  you make a move like this. Or when you think about changing
• 50:44
  the landscape, my question is can Everyone that's not in the
• 50:54
  power of five of Ford 30. Scholarships can, can they
• 50:59
  afford to scholarship? You know, whether it's, you
• 51:03
  know, this is say they double the Min.
• 51:05
  So 24 on the men. 36 on the woman, right?
• 51:10
  How many schools can actually fund that?
• 51:14
  How many schools can actually pay for that?
• 51:17
  And that's the part that I think ultimately would lead. ^ 5 doing
• 51:25
  their own thing and everyone else doing something else like
• 51:30
  from a purely track and field perspective.
• 51:33
  So I don't know that it pertains to a UTSA.
• 51:40
  I don't know that the UTSA would see value in that, you know,
• 51:45
  it's one thing for the NCAA to mandate that you have to give
• 51:50
  these scholarships as opposed to.
• 51:54
  Well this this is this is a new era and if you can do it, do it.
• 51:58
  And if you can't then you can write.
• 52:01
  But I think what it what it will lead to is that a lot of the
• 52:05
  schools that don't have the budget that don't have.
• 52:08
  They're not going to go to Nationals.
• 52:10
  That's not they're not going to be able to go at all period.
• 52:14
  So I think that's a it's a huge change and it Huge thing.
• 52:19
  That's, you know, if it does come down the pipe, I think that
• 52:24
  would lead to a true separation in the ncaa's we know.
• 52:35
  Yeah. I've thought about this a bunch
• 52:41
  and I think what I have to say, like, literally just runs right
• 52:46
  off the back of what the two of you just said, and goes a little
• 52:50
  bit further. Like, right now that the average
• 52:54
  track team spends, 50 scholarships both genders on 100
• 52:59
  student athletes, right? 18 12.6, you know, I mean, it's
• 53:06
  so sorry about 15 Seasons, which offering for T?
• 53:09
  We have 30 scholarships re on a hundred kids, right?
• 53:17
  It's roughly 50 and 50 1812 voicings.
• 53:20
  So if you double them, you're 36 and 25, right?
• 53:23
  But if they're all fools, I'm going to tell you that you're
• 53:26
  going to have a smaller track team, right?
• 53:29
  So you're going to have, let's just be clear.
• 53:32
  There will be fewer people running division, one track and
• 53:35
  field. That's a fact.
• 53:38
  Right? And because now you're creating
• 53:42
  a larger pool of complete Walk-Ons?
• 53:46
  Yeah, right. Like, you can't help them and
• 53:48
  all right, I got 36. If your number 37, your you like
• 53:54
  the 4th string, back up Long Snapper, like UK in the whole
• 53:57
  bill, right? That's what it is, right.
• 54:02
  And, and so there's that, right? But beyond that, and this is the
• 54:06
  part that I Just think is and I hopefully this is my first world
• 54:11
  hand off when I'm done to. So Lucius if you give the power
• 54:18
  five schools, 36 and 25, Wow. What's left for non power 5 for
• 54:31
  a group of five school. Right, let's just do that.
• 54:34
  Like what's left? Because what's left does not
• 54:41
  score at the national championship.
• 54:45
  If you advance the say we Advanced you might go and for
• 54:49
  sure someone's going to score. So I'm not literally saying no
• 54:53
  one but man Look. It will be like the like the
• 55:03
  NCAA championship in football, right?
• 55:06
  There's there's only eight schools that are actually buying
• 55:11
  for national championship. Right?
• 55:15
  Okay, so if we give sir Lucius and others like him, 36 women,
• 55:22
  scholarships and 25 men. Scholarships there will be four
• 55:28
  teams competing for the National Championship in track and field
• 55:32
  of each gender. It's barely more than that now.
• 55:36
  And I'm going to be honest, right?
• 55:39
  What if you basically double the top end of all of those?
• 55:44
  Those rosters. Group of five has it.
• 55:49
  They got to have their own Championship, that's because you
• 55:51
  literally can't go. No.
• 55:53
  And, and and, you know and Look, I think from a student athlete
• 56:01
  experience. I can't even say whether it be
• 56:04
  better or worse, but it will be so vastly different if that were
• 56:09
  to happen. That it's not comparable to
• 56:12
  anything. We currently have that exists.
• 56:15
  Yeah. Right.
• 56:16
  We would literally be creep. Could be creating the FBS and
• 56:19
  FCS, you know, and every sport right there.
• 56:22
  Be an FBS version of division, one track and field and R be an
• 56:26
  FCS version of division, one track and field.
• 56:29
  And and here's the thing. I'm not sure whether that's
• 56:32
  better or worse, folks. I'm being completely honest, I'm
• 56:36
  really not sure whether that's better or worse and so I can't
• 56:42
  even weigh in as to whether I want it or don't and I'm not
• 56:46
  usually a fence sitter but I look.
• 56:48
  It's so different. Right.
• 56:51
  And it and there, it could go so many directions that I don't
• 56:55
  know where I wrote. I have to see all of the
• 56:58
  ramifications, like I'd have to see the expectations of what's
• 57:00
  going to happen. If we're really going to create
• 57:02
  an FBS level, and an FCS level in track and field, I'm probably
• 57:05
  here for, right? Because Olympians are Olympians
• 57:10
  So, if you really think about that, then there's more people
• 57:13
  getting scholarships if you think about it that way, right?
• 57:17
  And there's more people who will get high level coaching it just
• 57:21
  can't, they just won't be able to win the FBS version of the
• 57:25
  national championship. But if everybody's going to
• 57:28
  compete for one title, yeah, probably not here for that.
• 57:33
  But yeah, look, it's I just applaud the NCAA for at least
• 57:38
  being willing to finally talk about it because we all know
• 57:40
  this 18 and 12 points six and six coaches.
• 57:44
  Like that's not the right math, right?
• 57:47
  Like we know that like the, the, the Kosh athlete ratio of 12 16,
• 57:52
  right? 6.
• 57:53
  Times. 16 is 96, right? That's not right.
• 57:57
  We know, that's not right. And so, you know, we probably
• 58:00
  need more coaches. I don't know how many I don't
• 58:03
  know what the, you know, what? We can really stand and, and we
• 58:07
  might need more levels to, I don't know.
• 58:10
  But we, I think we all agree that. 18 and 12 point six and
• 58:15
  six coaches like that math isn't, right?
• 58:21
  Okay, I don't think anybody's ever going to disagree with you
• 58:25
  that, that math is wrong several, when he comes the 50.
• 58:29
  But other than that, I think that this is a bigger issue for
• 58:35
  me is, I think it's a horrible idea.
• 58:38
  I don't think it'll ever happen and I totally disagree that.
• 58:43
  See if they want to give you more scholarships, IMA clock
• 58:46
  gives more scholarship. Don't make any account.
• 58:49
  But the only problem is is like a, if you give us 25.
• 58:53
  Okay, you're cutting the roster and have and if I'm trying to
• 58:55
  fill them full team as well as across the country team that
• 58:59
  means there's there's a there's a big chunk of my people that
• 59:02
  don't exist on my team anymore. So I think if we went to a head
• 59:05
  count sport in might level the plane because now the shouldn't
• 59:13
  say this because I'm smiling to jump all over this one the guy
• 59:16
  that I get the runs 10 for they come for 30% company and so he
• 59:20
  goes someplace Nuclide was going to laugh about that before he
• 59:27
  said. Okay, that's not true.
• 59:32
  No, no, there are 48 people on my
• 59:47
  roster, right? If I am because I'm trying to do
• 59:51
  what I I do and I'm trying to have a balanced program.
• 59:55
  There's people that are very good people on my team that
• 59:58
  wouldn't be okay. It's like seems you only got 25
• 1:00:03
  okay? You got like football, you gotta
• 1:00:05
  85 scholarships, right? 22 of them plus so you can stack
• 1:00:09
  right, if you only got 25, 25 scholarships to cover 21 event
• 1:00:15
  can't stack anywhere. So I disagree, I think if you
• 1:00:19
  went to that model, it would make it more of a Place.
• 1:00:23
  But also it's going to eliminate so many opportunities because
• 1:00:26
  the number of people that we can give the smaller scholarship to
• 1:00:29
  to get them into school. Yeah.
• 1:00:31
  Right. That's so now they can't come to
• 1:00:33
  University, its water because I can't get him in school, unless
• 1:00:35
  you get me scum, she was all right, so I think for me, I
• 1:00:40
  think that making it a headcount Sport and will probably make the
• 1:00:45
  next, you know, making some Humanity needs better, and
• 1:00:47
  definitely at the lower level, they're talking about the group
• 1:00:50
  of five schools. You're gonna have better
• 1:00:52
  athletes. Better pool to choose from
• 1:00:53
  because we can't scholarship everybody, right?
• 1:00:56
  But the problem you're going to have is limitations, put some
• 1:01:00
  people to be able to get in the school, it ruins the academic
• 1:01:03
  experience there. And that guy, I just think it's
• 1:01:08
  a bad idea call the library. So the one part that I have
• 1:01:13
  talked about in the past in regards to that and and picking
• 1:01:16
  up all the pieces that you all have laid down is in the team
• 1:01:19
  aspect. Then do we start seeing people
• 1:01:22
  straight away from that team aspect and just simply specify
• 1:01:27
  specialized, right? Because if you're in a 25-year
• 1:01:30
  big-league power, A head count at even go stronger in that
• 1:01:38
  direction. Like I'm not going to have a
• 1:01:40
  distance but or I'm not going to have even her window.
• 1:01:44
  Yes, people are going to be who they're going to be right?
• 1:01:49
  So sore loser, whatever. The rules are Lucius believes
• 1:01:53
  in, what he believes in, and he's going to try to build his
• 1:01:55
  team. That way the governor might say,
• 1:01:59
  you know, what, damn that we're going to put all 25 in the
• 1:02:02
  Sprints. And we go see, what's what Maybe
• 1:02:05
  that works and maybe it doesn't. But there will be people out
• 1:02:09
  there that will try it, right? Like the rules aren't going to
• 1:02:13
  aren't gonna change the hard core beliefs of coaches in the
• 1:02:17
  way they build their program. They just won't know.
• 1:02:20
  But I will say this, if I had 25 scholarship, I put them all the
• 1:02:23
  field events and I said to me, I drove to the meat.
• 1:02:26
  Ready, like, what's going on the track?
• 1:02:30
  I have no idea. We don't have any of those.
• 1:02:34
  Somebody Ever body will somebody?
• 1:02:37
  Somebody will absolutely do that and if you think about it
• 1:02:40
  there's some scary. No, that would be better for.
• 1:02:43
  I would have been, you would literally stop trying to do what
• 1:02:46
  you shouldn't be doing. I have to believe that if they
• 1:02:50
  did that cross would get their own allotment.
• 1:02:54
  You can't tell me. They would have to they the
• 1:02:57
  cross team would be a separate entity.
• 1:03:00
  Okay, I can tell you that, it's written because they don't have
• 1:03:03
  scholarships now. Now, hmm.
• 1:03:06
  So if Cross isn't separate, that makes the matter even worse,
• 1:03:12
  because he tells this model is going to hurt a lot of different
• 1:03:17
  people. Depending on what your mindset,
• 1:03:19
  right, it's going to get, it's going to hurt the student
• 1:03:22
  athlete that had they get the scholarship to get it to school.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:03:26
  It's gonna hurt the student athlete that you know, where the
• 1:03:30
  coach D emphasize a certain areas because okay, I've been
• 1:03:33
  able to fund my cross-country And because I didn't have to
• 1:03:37
  worry about this. Now, I have to give them all a
• 1:03:41
  full so you got to have seven of those.
• 1:03:44
  Yeah, these 728 to be successful.
• 1:03:47
  So now you got the problem Jim, I Gotta Give they got eight.
• 1:04:04
  Hey, that is an ugly reality. I'm ugly reality show because
• 1:04:11
  it's so, because it would have such a great effect on that
• 1:04:17
  entity, it shall never happen. Never happen here, right?
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, I don't know. I will say this.
• 1:04:25
  It definitely not going to happen without like the only way
• 1:04:29
  it can possibly happen. His cross-country gets their own
• 1:04:32
  scholarship. Yeah.
• 1:04:33
  That is literally the only way that that can have even the
• 1:04:37
  slightest iteration. Mmm.
• 1:04:41
  But anyway, what else do you got?
• 1:04:45
  This is the other question that we had in the chat this week and
• 1:04:49
  you know it went left and right and then spurred other
• 1:04:52
  conversations but I'm going to umbrella and let the
• 1:04:55
  conversation kind of go with a couple points.
• 1:04:58
  So for us on the tiles, what are the important things when
• 1:05:03
  recruiting as in who we recruit? When are we recruiting?
• 1:05:09
  Where are we recruiting? Who was involved in the
• 1:05:11
  recruiting, so aspects of those things.
• 1:05:14
  But even outside of that, what is important for us.
• 1:05:18
  As we are doing all things. Recruiting, I will say what I
• 1:05:27
  said. Via text while we were having
• 1:05:30
  that conversation, like that's such a, such a personal issue.
• 1:05:36
  It's so it's so specific to where you are.
• 1:05:40
  Who you're working for, and what the goals of said, organization
• 1:05:45
  are? I mean, you know, I'm currently
• 1:05:49
  the head coach of San Jose State University, right?
• 1:05:52
  Right. My priorities in recruiting,
• 1:05:55
  here are totally different than my priorities in recruiting,
• 1:06:00
  when I was working for Richie being at Alabama State, not
• 1:06:04
  necessarily, because me and Richie, and you have such
• 1:06:07
  drastically different visions of a program.
• 1:06:09
  But Case in point. I am, I what?
• 1:06:13
  I do, I'm a Sprint. Her guy, right?
• 1:06:16
  Well, respectfully, the state of Alabama isn't flush with
• 1:06:20
  sprinting hurdle town. So, when I'm working at Alabama
• 1:06:24
  State School, my priority is not the Dominate, the state of
• 1:06:27
  Alabama. I don't care about that.
• 1:06:30
  Hmm. But I live in California.
• 1:06:32
  My priority is to get as many of these homegrown kids stay here
• 1:06:36
  as possible because if I do, I can be good instantly at a real
• 1:06:41
  level. Those are different priorities
• 1:06:43
  that would necessarily be the case if I was working up in
• 1:06:46
  western Washington or something like that, right?
• 1:06:49
  So I think it's so personal to all the aspects of where and how
• 1:06:54
  you're working that that answer is going to be different for
• 1:06:56
  everybody. But I will say that no matter
• 1:06:59
  where you work, you have to have at least the respect and eyes on
• 1:07:06
  you in your local community. At your local community doesn't
• 1:07:09
  see value in your program. It's going to be difficult to
• 1:07:12
  get others to see aliens. I mean, obviously I've been to,
• 1:07:22
  you know, three blue blood universities.
• 1:07:26
  I've had a chance to watch some of the very best do what they
• 1:07:29
  do. And I've taken lessons from all
• 1:07:34
  of that to this situation and I'm in now and, you know,
• 1:07:39
  building a culture building, a winning culture has many Many
• 1:07:46
  faces of that, it can look two thousand different ways and you
• 1:07:53
  can still get the job done, you know.
• 1:07:57
  So I think it boils down to knowing your terrain.
• 1:08:04
  First of all, Knowing your limitations, knowing your, your
• 1:08:11
  parameters, right? And, and then knowing your
• 1:08:18
  conference for the majority of universities out there, you
• 1:08:22
  know, you get outside of the power 5.
• 1:08:26
  It's about winning conference. That's what it is.
• 1:08:29
  Period Point Blank. So there you have your starting
• 1:08:33
  point in terms of what your athletic.
• 1:08:37
  You know what your Administration wants?
• 1:08:40
  Then you start to work on, okay? Who are the ones who are the
• 1:08:46
  athletes that are going to go above and beyond.
• 1:08:49
  And so for me, you know what, what I've created is is a
• 1:08:54
  situation where you have you know now you know Solutions may
• 1:08:59
  have 20 guys I got the top is Disney look like this but you
• 1:09:12
  know for programs like myself Well, you know you have this one
• 1:09:16
  guy at the top, right? Or this one, young lady at the
• 1:09:19
  top that is above and beyond, you know, in many respects, you
• 1:09:24
  know, people are looking at her or him and going how, how did
• 1:09:26
  you do that? You know.
• 1:09:28
  And it might have been in someone that was unsung wasn't
• 1:09:31
  wasn't really highly recruited came here with a chip on their
• 1:09:35
  shoulder, you know, coach happen to see that and say, hey, come
• 1:09:39
  here, I'll give you a chance. And so you have a situation
• 1:09:42
  where This young man, a young woman is being supported by the
• 1:09:47
  general body of the team, right. They're all looking to get to
• 1:09:53
  that point, right? But you're trying to find kids
• 1:09:57
  and now you're going around in your searching wherever under
• 1:10:01
  every Rock. Every tree every corner to find
• 1:10:05
  kids that have that same vision, right?
• 1:10:08
  And that's pretty much how I've approached it.
• 1:10:13
  I think the win does not matter. There was a point in time when
• 1:10:20
  you had to get it done. If you were looking for the blue
• 1:10:24
  chippers and you have to sign them by November and you know,
• 1:10:28
  it's not you have to wait till April and then it became
• 1:10:30
  February, none of that matters. Now, none of that matters.
• 1:10:35
  Now, now it is purely about going out and finding the best,
• 1:10:40
  the best that can be. I'm do the job and, you know,
• 1:10:46
  it's a pretty random mean sayshe random but it's a pretty blanket
• 1:10:51
  thing to say. But if you get a team, you
• 1:10:56
  gather a team of the best kids, you can possibly, that is a
• 1:11:00
  winning team, period Point Blank.
• 1:11:04
  So accept Well, I'll go before, you know, the portal King
• 1:11:11
  speaks. I mean, we gave you that
• 1:11:16
  nickname like these. So I had to bring it back TK,
• 1:11:25
  I've had the, I've lived a life and the in an inverted pyramid,
• 1:11:32
  I've lived a life in unenviable task of trying to live up to to
• 1:11:37
  that standard had a place that That that is clearly doable just
• 1:11:45
  way different. And I'll say, I don't want to
• 1:11:49
  oversimplify. I definitely not going to tell
• 1:11:50
  anybody how to do this, but I will tell you this, this is,
• 1:11:53
  this is what I believe. The first thing you do is you
• 1:11:56
  identify exactly what you're looking for.
• 1:12:00
  Byways of athletes, like, demeanor, make up those things,
• 1:12:05
  and then put a pin in where you currently work and make a radius
• 1:12:11
  of 200. Miles and make a circle.
• 1:12:16
  Everybody within that Circle, right?
• 1:12:20
  Everybody within that Circle that fits.
• 1:12:25
  A piece of what you're talking about, like one of the type of
• 1:12:28
  athletes, you want that, you've liked, be a distance, Runner,
• 1:12:32
  thrower, whatever it is, you go and you recruit the living snot
• 1:12:37
  out of that group and make them all tell, you know, twice before
• 1:12:40
  you move off. And you fill your coffers that
• 1:12:44
  way because they'll be the most likely to come and the least
• 1:12:47
  expensive from there. You eliminate all borders all
• 1:12:52
  boundaries and you fill holes At the very very best talent you
• 1:12:55
  can. So after the 200 mile radius
• 1:12:59
  literally you start going on the other side of the world like go
• 1:13:03
  everywhere. Like don't go from 200 miles to
• 1:13:05
  250 like that's that's don't do that to me to me.
• 1:13:10
  But you start with that group. That's will call them local and
• 1:13:15
  then from there, you fill in the holes with them.
• 1:13:17
  Very very, very best athletes. That fit your criteria, right?
• 1:13:24
  Like if you know, if you knew that, you know, you need, you
• 1:13:28
  know, certain type of mentality in this, is that to work well,
• 1:13:31
  with you and the kid has marks you want but the mentality
• 1:13:34
  doesn't match. Don't sign that kid because
• 1:13:38
  there's an expression, if you recruit the right one and you
• 1:13:40
  don't get them, they beat you once or twice a year, but if you
• 1:13:43
  recruit the wrong one and you do get them, they beat you every
• 1:13:45
  day. so I think knowing what kind of athletes Work well in
• 1:13:55
  your system and with you and your staff is probably the first
• 1:13:58
  thing to do when recruiting perspective.
• 1:14:01
  But then after that like listen, It's just like being in a fight.
• 1:14:06
  You have to start out with the mentality that you're going to
• 1:14:09
  stand up one more time than you, get knocked out because
• 1:14:12
  recruiting is stick-to-itiveness There are more kids than there
• 1:14:17
  are scholarships. If you're willing to work, this
• 1:14:23
  is why sir lucious. I don't know 25 years ago called
• 1:14:27
  me the mole because I refuse to believe that there aren't kids
• 1:14:32
  to do everything you need them to do that aren't on the list.
• 1:14:38
  You just have to look at more kids.
• 1:14:42
  Young people are not kids but you have to, if you want to be
• 1:14:46
  great at recruiting, you have to be willing to work way harder
• 1:14:53
  than everybody else. Because so lucious works hard.
• 1:14:57
  I want to be clear, he works hard at recruiting but he
• 1:15:02
  doesn't necessarily have to do your version of working hard at
• 1:15:07
  San Jose State. Or your version of working hard
• 1:15:10
  at UTSA right? Like 22, collides Point, working
• 1:15:14
  hard for where you work. Is different from place to
• 1:15:17
  place, right? And if you're trying to beat
• 1:15:20
  sir, Lucius then you probably have to work globally.
• 1:15:25
  Right? Because he's going to beat you
• 1:15:26
  in most of the kids that are American more than likely.
• 1:15:31
  And so if you're going to try to beat him, you got to go
• 1:15:33
  everywhere and you got it, you got it like that.
• 1:15:38
  At the end of the day, like that's it.
• 1:15:40
  Right? And and the hard part, for a lot
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  of people to understand is when you're building a program, when
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  your program wasn't good when you took it, The kids, the young
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  people, who are closest to you, who are most proximal to your
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  campus, are going to be the hardest and the last ones for
• 1:15:58
  you to get, because they already have seen what their own two
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  eyes. For the longest amount of time.
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  How not good? You are. so, for me recruiting
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  is The desired just never having the like dialing the phone one
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  more time or getting on Instagram one more time than
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  everybody else. That's my thing.
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  Thanks for me. Recruiting is about planning.
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  Recruiting is about. Checking your ego at the door.
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  And the big thing about recruiting is is like get
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  through to your strength. So I'm fortunate enough to have
• 1:16:45
  a staff. We can coach just about anything
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  but when people start recruiting athletes that they can't take
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  care of you, just build a whole that they're going to get out of
• 1:16:55
  because if I did a great athlete, come to your campus,
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  you can't take care of them that comes back to haunt you in
• 1:17:00
  recruiting forever. But for us because we're trying
• 1:17:04
  to be a well-balanced team. We searched the corners of the
• 1:17:08
  globe and we would do everything we had to do.
• 1:17:11
  It's not about winning the State of Florida.
• 1:17:13
  It's about not about when United States is about what in the
• 1:17:17
  globe crust. So, there's an athlete out there
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  and they have the grades and have the athletic ability, have
• 1:17:23
  the mentality. And we want them on this campus.
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  Yeah, we want, we want them to come and help us get better, so
• 1:17:29
  we can help them get better. But I think the biggest They can
• 1:17:32
  remain in recruiting is people that think they can just go to
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  anyone. I mean, they're they're starting
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  to have weights that, you know, still, my attack will bring to
• 1:17:39
  me. I'm like that that young man or
• 1:17:42
  young woman was having a well work.
• 1:17:43
  Well here because of a certain look or something that they do
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  it like this, just how powerful. I know my system, I know what
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  happens work on myself, so I think you have to be diligent.
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  And that we said this, I know probably a thousand times.
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  Stop, recruiting marks, you know, Get on Up, Get on Up.
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  Get on a plane go again. New car, you know, Gil get on
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  YouTube if I these people are look up so that that's that's
• 1:18:07
  about that's my thoughts on recruiting Solutions.
• 1:18:09
  Let me ask a question. No matter how many times we say
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  people will still do it. Why do you think people still
• 1:18:14
  continue to just recruit marks? Is it laziness or the lack of
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  know-how? Or what's your okay lady, it's
• 1:18:23
  laziness no and it see the thing is it's like, you know I've had
• 1:18:28
  a discussion with more than once a little last say You're too.
• 1:18:32
  Why did you recruit someone? So when he or she had only done
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  this. I like, because I was there and
• 1:18:40
  I saw them do something that I knew that they could be better,
• 1:18:44
  you know? I I'll use young lady, Daryl,
• 1:18:47
  material McQueen and, you know, one of my colleagues and
• 1:18:51
  coaching called me and lasted me goes, oh, I made you overspend
• 1:18:54
  for that one. Like you sure about that.
• 1:18:57
  Yo, three years later. She's still, she was 19 feet in
• 1:19:01
  a little over 40 feet. What?
• 1:19:02
  We signed her, three years later, she's 21:11 and 45:5
• 1:19:07
  didn't overspend for that one. We saw something in there, we
• 1:19:10
  knew she had the ability and when I, you know, when I met
• 1:19:13
  with her, I knew she was going to put the work in.
• 1:19:16
  And I also knew what a training background was but people don't
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  usually go that far down the list.
• 1:19:21
  They don't they wanted to recruit those people, you know.
• 1:19:23
  So you got to do your homework, you got to be diligent and
• 1:19:26
  everything you do. And there's some Hidden Gem,
• 1:19:28
  though. It really are.
• 1:19:31
  There really are. I Miss Melissa from Coastal
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  Carolina. I agree.
• 1:19:39
  And 12 flower and 12:00 last night school US champion.
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  Well, good good. I want to make sure that we got
• 1:19:53
  at least a little bit of a Education, it's not record.
• 1:19:58
  Course, refresher for recruiting in there, making sure that we
• 1:20:03
  still are giving advice but letting peeps.
• 1:20:06
  See a little bit of vulnerability from us.
• 1:20:09
  So good. With that being said,
• 1:20:12
  invulnerability so lucious your own.
• 1:20:16
  Would you rather? Because I'm not gonna let you
• 1:20:17
  skip last week, and I had the pleasure of watching that I'm so
• 1:20:24
  glad I didn't get those. Well, my God.
• 1:20:27
  So I can only imagine how this week's going to be when you
• 1:20:30
  double it at your double double walk again.
• 1:20:35
  I think they're all right. Are you ready sir?
• 1:20:42
  Absolutely. I am.
• 1:20:44
  Would you rather be on SportsCenter or around the horn?
• 1:20:49
  All round the horn. I had a feeling I'd be around
• 1:20:52
  the horn. I like I like to be like,
• 1:20:56
  highlight on SportsCenter, or maybe even taker or
• 1:20:59
  SportsCenter, but I want to be who I want to be on the show.
• 1:21:03
  I don't want to know. I want to be alone, right?
• 1:21:10
  Would you rather do a session of yoga or Pilates?
• 1:21:44
  Or be the candy Giver. Okay.
• 1:21:47
  Do you got it? Would you rather clean up Legos
• 1:21:52
  or Play-Doh Echoes? Last one.
• 1:22:01
  Would you rather be the would you rather rake the pit or be
• 1:22:04
  the bar? Put her upper for her mobile
• 1:22:07
  bar? Put her up for because I'm the
• 1:22:09
  worst pitmaker in the history of man and so then you know, the
• 1:22:13
  jump coaches like could take some men to admit that.
• 1:22:17
  It really does not like you know, it's like I just there's
• 1:22:20
  going to be a lot somewhere. You're that guy.
• 1:22:47
  That was your power that might be that might be in your best
• 1:22:49
  set of questions for all as absolutely.
• 1:22:51
  Absolutely. Because those ones she did she
• 1:22:53
  said to you last week so glad that was funny.
• 1:23:04
  Look, I was laughing when you asked
• 1:23:17
  All right, I got to trap me wearing a suit
• 1:23:41
  or one of those monochrome tracksuits head to toe.
• 1:23:46
  Right, let's just say some more orange like, which one do we go
• 1:23:51
  with the suit? But we you said I was a suit.
• 1:23:55
  I do. The second choice was going to
• 1:23:56
  be awful. So I mean,
• 1:24:19
  I don't know what to say. Let the EP have the last one
• 1:24:25
  here since we were discussing recruiting if you could only
• 1:24:30
  recruit one state for the rest of your career, who what would
• 1:24:34
  it mean? Before you answer, this is the
• 1:24:38
  best question that has been asked on this show.
• 1:24:41
  This is freaking awesome. We talk, is this is our bases
• 1:24:46
  here, okay, all right, I can't wait.
• 1:24:52
  One state, huh? One?
• 1:24:53
  Sting walk your way. I'm going home.
• 1:24:55
  I'm going to great state of wild baby.
• 1:24:57
  Wow, wow. Okay Hey, looks I promise you.
• 1:25:04
  I'm gonna get everything I need out of 10.
• 1:25:08
  Trust me. I am I don't even know if I can
• 1:25:16
  follow that. Oh my goodness.
• 1:25:32
  Concede, if you need to get by yourself anymore time.
• 1:25:35
  Okay. So so lucious if you Could only
• 1:25:44
  coach one event for the rest of your career and it could not be
• 1:25:53
  any of the ones you currently coach.
• 1:25:58
  Which one would it be? Okay.
• 1:26:06
  Wow, so that's being invested. No, 1248 the 1248 any hurdles
• 1:26:15
  either relay? I think I got them.
• 1:26:18
  All right. I was about to cheat a date on
• 1:26:22
  it, but I close to 800 right now.
• 1:26:24
  So that's why I said, Actually, I'll be honest with you, I had a
• 1:26:39
  sneaking suspicion that was going to be the answer.
• 1:26:44
  Okay, let's go. At the next Elite group, I just
• 1:26:54
  tickle myself at that one. Yes, you did.
• 1:26:57
  You start laughing for you? Three years ago?
• 1:27:01
  You showed up all in bodysuits to run to run the 6K at the
• 1:27:05
  national meeting. That's not.
• 1:27:27
  So all right. Transitioning to a letting
• 1:27:31
  letting people have some love that are here to receive it.
• 1:27:37
  Hurry props gentleman. Yes, like that I'm going to keep
• 1:27:50
  mine short and sweet. Anyone that knows me knows that.
• 1:27:56
  I'm A hip-hop head and You know, hip-hop has been a driving force
• 1:28:04
  in my life since. I mean, since I was a kid in the
• 1:28:09
  Cayman Islands, discovering the Beastie, Boys and discovering
• 1:28:13
  LL. Cool, J.
• 1:28:14
  And all of that. I don't know what's going on in
• 1:28:20
  or in my in my that genre. But it is, it is it is bordering
• 1:28:27
  on like this is this is, this is, it's not, it's not funny
• 1:28:33
  anymore. The amount of artists that are
• 1:28:36
  being killed you know, it's shocking, it's shocking and I
• 1:28:45
  just pray that You know, either these folks stop putting
• 1:28:51
  themselves in these situations. Or people start to realize that,
• 1:28:57
  you know, hip-hop is a voice of a generation like these.
• 1:29:01
  These people that do this are saying, the things that some of
• 1:29:05
  us are far too scared to say they are they have a purpose
• 1:29:13
  and, you know, it's, you know, it's just sad what's going on
• 1:29:16
  right now. And I hope somewhere along the
• 1:29:20
  line these people start to to understand We're hurting
• 1:29:24
  ourselves. It's all we're doing.
• 1:29:27
  So it's my heartbeat props. - actually for once, I haven't
• 1:29:35
  like super excited and Ultra positive my heart be perhaps go
• 1:29:40
  out to one mister Kurt Felix for going into the Boise State Hall
• 1:29:48
  of Fame this coming weekend. Yeah, I feel incredibly
• 1:29:52
  fortunate that I was asked to join the festivities and I'm
• 1:29:58
  about as excited as one could ever be, to be returning to
• 1:30:02
  Boise Idaho. Wow.
• 1:30:06
  Very cool and well deserved very cool and well deserved I would
• 1:30:12
  like to say congrats cart Felix and excited to return to Boise
• 1:30:18
  Idaho. No one has ever said before
• 1:30:19
  tonight, first of all I'm going to say this right now.
• 1:30:24
  I am not here for any Boise slander Boise Idaho wasn't his
• 1:30:31
  is amazing I wasn't slandering anything.
• 1:30:36
  I would like to say for the record that I think everybody on
• 1:30:39
  the panel. The safe.
• 1:30:45
  I think Boise Idaho is a great place.
• 1:30:49
  Gosh you're right, it's phenomenal.
• 1:30:52
  I would I would stop short of calling a great place.
• 1:30:57
  I will say that it's underrated. We'll stop there.
• 1:31:04
  I'll live with that. That's Rick lat.
• 1:31:10
  I mean, I'll go. I just, I just want to, you
• 1:31:13
  know, I want to say thank you to everybody the number of people
• 1:31:19
  that have reached out to me over the last week, that it check on
• 1:31:24
  me about my mom. It's, it's, it's good to have a
• 1:31:29
  great friends and including the for you on the tiles tonight and
• 1:31:33
  everybody else's reach out to, as want to say, thank you.
• 1:31:35
  It's been It's been a big help. I really appreciate it.
• 1:31:43
  Similar, same Essence, similar Essence.
• 1:31:47
  This is a broad stroke because I'm not quite sure who is, and I
• 1:31:51
  know there are people who are but Harvey props to all those
• 1:31:55
  who are protecting. I know there are some direct, I
• 1:31:58
  bet I can name but there are people who are there who are
• 1:32:00
  protecting my name, and I appreciate that.
• 1:32:03
  And I think that's something that we have to make sure and
• 1:32:06
  stop to recognize from time to time just as human beings,
• 1:32:09
  whether it's professional personal.
• 1:32:12
  Or just not even knowingly. There, people who are protecting
• 1:32:16
  you and trying to make sure that things are going right or at the
• 1:32:21
  very least favorable for you. So, for those of you out there
• 1:32:26
  in The Ether who are in my corner that are protecting me
• 1:32:29
  and my name. And what not?
• 1:32:30
  I appreciate you because it's definitely being filmed right
• 1:32:33
  now. Okay.
• 1:32:37
  So mine is a happy heart be proper that doesn't mean I'm
• 1:32:40
  going to get through it. So it just so happens by the
• 1:32:47
  accident of timing for LLC that our shows are on Friday and so
• 1:32:53
  when you are seeing the show, it will officially be Kai's
• 1:32:59
  birthday which is awesome. But that means that you're
• 1:33:05
  shooting is On the one-year anniversary of Tiana, being
• 1:33:11
  rushed to the hospital. Wow, starting What ultimately
• 1:33:18
  became Kaiser rival? I obviously love my son and most
• 1:33:27
  people describe Noble birth of their child of this amazing
• 1:33:31
  experience. It was the worst day of my life.
• 1:33:33
  It was the worst three days of my life.
• 1:33:37
  I thought. That I might lose my best
• 1:33:40
  friend, and I remember a year ago today, being more scared
• 1:33:47
  than I've ever been ever in my life. and, The.
• 1:33:56
  The will and strength that that woman.
• 1:34:01
  Displayed To get through that process is something that
• 1:34:11
  obviously I will never forget, it's something that I never want
• 1:34:14
  to experience again but there's no way that on this day.
• 1:34:20
  My heart be props to go anywhere other than to Miss Madison kid.
• 1:34:30
  I love you. And I cannot believe that it's
• 1:34:36
  been a year. Looking at pictures earlier
• 1:34:45
  minute one day one and the pictures that I got yesterday
• 1:34:51
  baby boy. And it's like, I just, I can't
• 1:34:55
  really process it. So, RP props tonight, go out to
• 1:35:00
  my family and I cannot wait for their arrival tomorrow and to
• 1:35:07
  celebrate the one-year anniversary.
• 1:35:10
  A of our baby. Girl.
• 1:35:12
  Yay! I'm glad you're coming.
• 1:35:14
  I was going to ask you if they were coming home or not ever
• 1:35:18
  going to be different from which direction.
• 1:35:21
  Are you going awesome? Happy birthday.
• 1:35:33
  Love it. The nephew continues to
• 1:35:37
  dominate. Well, everyone, it's been fun.
• 1:35:44
  I think this was a great episode of just uplifting and and some
• 1:35:48
  bringing to light stuff and and just positivity.
• 1:35:53
  So with that said, everyone have a great weekend.
• 1:35:58
  Blow out a candle for Kai this weekend everyone.
• 1:36:00
  I never the other than that we'll see each other soon.
• 1:36:04
  See everybody. D.
• 1:36:07
  The last call. I wouldn't be here but we have
• 1:36:38
  to start running, you gotta understand.
• 1:36:40
  Rapes, gotta catch Stars. Show you how to fight for, show
• 1:36:43
  us who you are, you lack experience?
• 1:36:46
  But still you want to talk and who is that?
• 1:36:48
  You talk to yourself. Got a small heads prevail when
• 1:36:51
  the backbone strong gotta keep it coming up.
• 1:36:54
  Won't last long, Pastor felt instead of the session and if
• 1:36:58
  you don't check yourself and that's wrong, just trying to
• 1:37:01
  give you the real bitch asshole. So why you keep cutting us off
• 1:37:05
  to a small? We put it.
• 1:37:06
  In slow-mo. What you fast for the task
• 1:37:11
  force? In slow-mo.
• 1:37:07
  What you fast for the task force?