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Neil Forsyth · Not Another Football Podcast

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Speaker 1: Another episode of Not Another Football Podcast with myself, Simon Donnelly.
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Speaker 2: And Jackie McNamara.
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Speaker 1: And we're delighted that we have a writer, screenwriter, Neil
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Speaker 1: Forsyth with us as our next guest.
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Speaker 2: How are you doing, Neil?
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Speaker 3: Good, thanks for having me.
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Speaker 2: How's things?
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Speaker 3: Very good, yeah. Love to see Dundee United win at
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Speaker 3: Parkhead tonight.
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Speaker 1: You hope. Dundee United t-shirt on. So, any projects in
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Speaker 1: the offing at the moment? Are we in between or.
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Speaker 3: I'm writing the second series of Legends, so I'm doing
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Speaker 3: a second series.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of the first series.
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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much. Yeah, so I flew up
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Speaker 3: this morning, walking on it in the plane, and it's great.
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Speaker 3: It's another great story. First series, which sounds like you watched,
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Speaker 3: was sort of heroin in the early 90s, and this
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Speaker 3: story takes place a little bit further into the 90s,
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Speaker 3: so it's brilliant. So kind of, With these things there's usually,
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Speaker 3: it's quite a long research period, so I work with
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Speaker 3: a researcher and then interview the people that were involved
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Speaker 3: that actually did it. So there's a few months of that,
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Speaker 3: then it's taking all that research and trying to work
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Speaker 3: out from all that story what kind of fit into
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Speaker 3: six episodes really, so kind of at that stage.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, the same characters being the next one?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, same legends if you like, and then new criminal cast.
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Speaker 1: So how do you come about that at the beginning? Obviously,
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Speaker 1: there's a wee bit of, well, there is a lot
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Speaker 1: of reality to that story. Where did you stumble across
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Speaker 1: that story initially?
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Speaker 3: So I did a show called The Gold, which was
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Speaker 3: about the Briggs-Matt robbery. And after that, I wasn't actually
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Speaker 3: necessarily going to do another show based on true events.
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Speaker 3: Certainly wasn't thinking I'd do another show in the 1990s,
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Speaker 3: another British crime drama. But it's very hard to find
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Speaker 3: stories like that. when you do what I do. You
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Speaker 3: get offered a lot of stories that people say, oh,
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Speaker 3: there's this amazing true story and there's some sort of connection.
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Speaker 3: And when you look into it, often it's like a film, really,
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Speaker 3: because just not enough happens. So you think that would
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Speaker 3: be a great film. But for me, I like writing
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Speaker 3: six episodes, ideally a second series. You need a lot
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Speaker 3: to happen to keep the pace up. Otherwise, you run
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Speaker 3: out of story, basically. So After the Gold... we'd spoke
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Speaker 3: to people who'd, they'd actually tried to make Legends as
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Speaker 3: a documentary series and hadn't managed to get it away
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Speaker 3: as a documentary. So I just looked through the research
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Speaker 3: that they'd done. They'd done a kind of initial burst
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Speaker 3: of research. And I thought it sounded really interesting, but
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Speaker 3: I wasn't sure I wanted to do another kind of
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Speaker 3: true crime thing. And then I had lunch with Guy.
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Speaker 3: So Tom Burke's character, the main legend, if you like,
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Speaker 3: the one who goes really undercover in the first series.
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Speaker 3: So he's still alive, lives, you know, completely anonymously. It
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Speaker 3: still doesn't use his real name, still takes lots of precautions.
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Speaker 3: So I had lunch with him and I was probably
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Speaker 3: 50-50 about doing it. And then when I sat and
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Speaker 3: had lunch with him, I was sitting at the table
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Speaker 3: and he came in. He said, do you mind if
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Speaker 3: I sit there? He sits on his leg or whatever.
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Speaker 3: So he sat down and then it was during the
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Speaker 3: lunch where I realised that he'd actually sat there so
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Speaker 3: he could see the door of the restaurant. And I
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Speaker 3: thought it was really powerful. You know, he's 30 years later.
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Speaker 3: And I said to him, is that why you sat there?
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Speaker 3: And he said, yes. And I thought, God, when it's
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Speaker 3: had that effect on someone, you realise just how significant
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Speaker 3: it was and that kind of just got me really interested.
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Speaker 3: And then he introduced me to a few of the
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Speaker 3: others and I just drove around meeting these people that
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Speaker 3: lived totally.
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Speaker 1: What you see as normal lives, they're all retired, they're
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Speaker 1: all basically retired. So the characters in that first series,
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Speaker 1: you've met them?
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Speaker 3: I met a lot of them, yeah, some of them
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Speaker 3: are composite characters based on two or three, but I
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Speaker 3: met half a dozen that did it, you know, they
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Speaker 3: worked as a team, went undercover, very, very dangerous work,
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Speaker 3: and I met the boss character as well, who's sort
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Speaker 3: of retired, but yeah, it's crazy, you sit in these
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Speaker 3: houses and, you know, they talk about playing golf and
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Speaker 3: bowling or whatever and then they'd say oh yeah I
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Speaker 3: also went undercover to Liverpool Drugs Gang in 1992.
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Speaker 1: You must constantly live an edge though that you're saying
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Speaker 1: about that guy having to see the door.
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Speaker 3: Yeah well it affected them, it definitely affected them and
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Speaker 3: that's something we tried to convey in the show and
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Speaker 3: I think we'll probably get even further into in the
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Speaker 3: second series is that it had real kind of integral
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Speaker 3: shift within them as a result not all positive you
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Speaker 3: know in some ways they never recovered because I think
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Speaker 3: what was really interesting about the people in Legends, being
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Speaker 3: customs officers, what I found exciting was that they're not
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Speaker 3: police and they're not intelligence services. So they don't have
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Speaker 3: this massive framework of support at all. And they don't
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Speaker 3: have much money. They have a terrible budget. So they
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Speaker 3: just go and do this stuff on the cheap, basically.
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Speaker 3: And then they'd go home to their families and they'd
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Speaker 3: have people checking in them here and there, but they very, very.
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Speaker 2: Rarely had anyone watching.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: They'd be going into these situations totally on their own,
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Speaker 3: into like pubs to meet drug dealers and things. And
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Speaker 3: minimal training, just living off their wits really. So it's
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Speaker 3: a brilliant story. I was very glad to kind of
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Speaker 3: find it.
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Speaker 1: How long does that take for you to write then, usually?
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Speaker 3: It's kind of about, a rule of thumb is about
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Speaker 3: a year's writing and a year's production. So two years cycle.
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Speaker 3: And it's a long time. And it's kind of.
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Speaker 1: we'll still get a wee bit of a wait for the.
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Speaker 3: Series yeah yeah I think it'll be probably get on
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Speaker 3: to TV in about 18 months probably by the time
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Speaker 3: I've written it and made it but it's kind of
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Speaker 3: as you get older I mean very lucky to have
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Speaker 3: got to this point it's taken me a long time
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Speaker 3: to get to this point in terms of writing and
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Speaker 3: things but equally you do think because two years for
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Speaker 3: six hours of television is that in that statistic as
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Speaker 3: you get older you think god is this why we
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Speaker 3: want to do the next decade that's only five series
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Speaker 3: you start parceling your life out a little bit but
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Speaker 3: yeah i can't complain and i think it just takes
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Speaker 3: a lot of work to get it right.
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Speaker 2: And then the production you know it must be so
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Speaker 2: rewarding though with the finish yeah you know how it's
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Speaker 2: been perceived as well.
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Speaker 3: Yeah definitely then when you get a nice reception to
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Speaker 3: it just makes such a difference because you kind of
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Speaker 3: think It's really a reward for hard work. People work
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Speaker 3: so hard on it. Obviously, you're not going down the
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Speaker 3: mines and everything else, and it's well rewarded and things,
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Speaker 3: but it's proper hard graft when you're making shows and
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Speaker 3: your long days. And then the weekends, I'm always working
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Speaker 3: on the scripts in terms of things that are coming up.
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Speaker 3: So it's seven days a week for a few months,
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Speaker 3: and it becomes completely all consuming. So you're, it's, but
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Speaker 3: you put in that work and then hopefully get the
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Speaker 3: payoff of people enjoying it. And it's brilliant.
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Speaker 2: And the people that actually done it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know, because they wouldn't have got recognition at the time.
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Speaker 3: Well, definitely.
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Speaker 2: So all the years later, they're like starting to go, wow,
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Speaker 2: it's actually an incredible job that we've done. Yeah. You know,
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Speaker 2: for a little reward.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And that's definitely been one of the nicest things
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Speaker 3: for it is undercover, old undercover customs agents. Once I've
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Speaker 3: not met, get in touch one way or another. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: and say that they really enjoyed it and we got
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Speaker 3: it right. And that kind of means a lot, I think.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: So would you say that's your most noticeable piece of
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Speaker 1: work just now? Is it just because it's been Netflix?
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it's interesting. So, I mean, the most
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Speaker 3: significant things in my career would have been I started
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Speaker 3: off in kind of comedy. Well, I started off writing
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Speaker 3: and journalism and things and then got into comedy. And
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Speaker 3: then I made a show called Guilt, which was an
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Speaker 3: Edinburgh-based Scottish drama. That made a huge difference to me
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Speaker 3: because that got me into writing drama, one-hour drama. That
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Speaker 3: was the BBC Scotland channel. Part of their launch, they
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Speaker 3: commissioned Guilt and took a real chance on me. I'd
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Speaker 3: never done drama before. So that was really significant for me,
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Speaker 3: three series of that. And then The Gold was, they've
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Speaker 3: all been significant in different ways. The Gold was BBC One, primetime,
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Speaker 3: Sunday night, nine o'clock, the kind of big slot in.
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Speaker 3: That got, you know, the first series of Gold ended
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Speaker 3: up getting about 10 million viewers, which is one in
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Speaker 3: five of the British adult population. I always think every
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Speaker 3: five-a-side team, one of them watched it. And then, so that,
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Speaker 3: you got that proper, you know, hard people talking about it.
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Speaker 3: I heard people talking about it on Tube and things
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Speaker 3: like that, so that was kind of mad, you know.
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Speaker 3: And then the big thing with Netflix was, it's the
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Speaker 3: international side of it, because that was just crazy, you know.
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Speaker 3: Day one, it gets released in every single country at
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Speaker 3: the same time, you know. So you get this, I
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Speaker 3: get sent, I got sent every day these sort of
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Speaker 3: top 10 charts from 63 countries and it's funny you're
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Speaker 3: watching it go up and down. And no real rhyme
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Speaker 3: or reason, you can't, you don't understand the countries it's
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Speaker 3: done well in and, you know, and kind of drop down.
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Speaker 3: So it was that feeling of like, God, around the world,
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Speaker 3: and then you're up to, I don't know, probably internationally
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Speaker 3: up to about 40, 50 million, I'd say, for legends
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Speaker 3: in terms of, so it's hard to get your head
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Speaker 3: around that really. But I think that, I think the,
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Speaker 3: BBC and Netflix are kind of they both offer different
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Speaker 3: things Netflix gives you the international aspect you can't ignore
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Speaker 3: that it's huge but then BBC I still really like
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Speaker 3: that time slot because obviously Netflix it just all gets
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Speaker 3: dropped but I always think with the BBC with the
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Speaker 3: gold 9 o'clock on a Sunday I'm like right now
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Speaker 3: however many people are watching that I still find it
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Speaker 3: kind of mind blowing really So.
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Speaker 1: When you left school, was that your career path of choice?
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Speaker 3: It would have been, but I didn't really... I mean,
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Speaker 3: a school... How did you come to where you are?
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Speaker 1: I read that you did a wee bit of sports journalism.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was football writing and things. Well, when I
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Speaker 3: was at school, you know, English was by far my
9:26
Speaker 3: better subject, my history as well, when you wrote essays
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Speaker 3: and things. But it's definitely what I wanted to do,
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Speaker 3: was be a writer. I wrote for... When I was
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Speaker 3: a teenager, I wrote for Dundee United fanzine, so that
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Speaker 3: was kind of what I started writing, and that was
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Speaker 3: really exciting. I was 13.
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Speaker 1: What year was that then?
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Speaker 2: What team was that?
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Speaker 3: Well, it would have been sort of 92-ish. So you're
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Speaker 3: kind of building up to the 94 team that won
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Speaker 3: the Scottish Cup. So 92, you would be, you know,
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Speaker 3: when I started, yeah, when I started Sporting United, it
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Speaker 3: was the sort of, just after the sort of championships.
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Speaker 3: winning team really I was obviously very aware of them
10:01
Speaker 3: so you still had through the 80s you still had
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Speaker 3: Hegarty and Nary and Luggy Holt Ralphie Mill and people
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Speaker 3: like that and then you saw the team came a
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Speaker 3: little bit after them into the UEFA Cup team the
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Speaker 3: Gothenburg team which was sort of more like Davey Bowman
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Speaker 3: Mack and Ali McKinley players like this who kind of
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Speaker 3: sort of merge those two teams.
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Speaker 2: I actually played before that game for a Dundee United
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Speaker 2: select when I was a kid. Oh really?
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Speaker 3: In the Gothenburg?
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Speaker 2: Before the Gothenburg game at Tannadice, which is bizarre then
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Speaker 2: you end up obviously years later being the manager, but
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Speaker 2: I used to train with Dundee United at a training
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Speaker 2: centre in Edinburgh at Rickerton, which is where Hart's trained now.
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Speaker 2: And then I got asked up to play in that
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Speaker 2: game before the Gothenburg game.
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Speaker 3: You know just on the pitch there's a little.
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Speaker 4: Pitch before it yeah yeah we lost that's yeah Gothenburg
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Speaker 4: famously the pitch was so up-polling because there'd been a
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Speaker 4: Bruce Springsteen concert a few days before David Bowman still
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Speaker 4: talks about that and er But that run, so that's
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Speaker 4: where I kind of came in.
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Speaker 3: You know, one of my first games at Talladega is
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Speaker 3: we beat Barcelona in the UEFA Cup.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Gallagher won.
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Speaker 2: John Clarke.
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Speaker 1: Kevin Gallagher.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Gallagher. Clark scored over in Camp Nou, yeah. In
11:15
Speaker 3: Camp Nou, yeah. So, you know, I think that's... So
11:18
Speaker 3: that was one of your first games? I think my
11:19
Speaker 3: first game, we drew Neil and Neil Hamilton. Don't get
11:21
Speaker 3: any better than that. I think we drew Neil and
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Speaker 3: Neil Hamilton in my first game and beat Barcelona. Wow. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: and that Barcelona game, you know, my grandad got tickets
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Speaker 3: for us all and my uncle came up from, England,
11:33
Speaker 3: he was a big United fan from when he was young.
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Speaker 3: There was about 10 of us there as the family,
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Speaker 3: my brother and my dad and everything. And it's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: I still remember it so clearly, Gallagher's Gold. So that was, so,
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Speaker 3: you know, writing for the fanzine was my big kind
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Speaker 3: of start in writing. And that's what I wanted to do.
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Speaker 3: And I used to write it and sell it outside Tannadice.
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Speaker 3: It was brilliant fun. Largely taking like Roy of the
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Speaker 3: Rovers comic strips and then I'd tip X out the
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Speaker 3: speech bubbles and just write in something offensive about Jim
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Speaker 3: Duffy or something like that. So it wasn't a tall story,
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Speaker 3: but that was kind of my start in writing. And
12:07
Speaker 3: that was a big part of, you know, anything extra
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Speaker 3: at school in a little media department, I'd go and
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Speaker 3: do extra stuff there. I remember I went and interviewed
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Speaker 3: wee Jim as part of that. Jim McLean.
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Speaker 2: I had a minute experience.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Well, my uncle Bill, my grandfather Bill, played
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Speaker 3: bowls with Jim.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: In the bowling club on Albert Road, which Jim famously
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Speaker 3: got banned from for abusing the referees. I remember my
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Speaker 3: Uncle Bill said he was involved in, I think, the
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Speaker 3: meeting where they had to tell Jim that he was banned.
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Speaker 3: And my Uncle Bill said it was the scariest thing
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Speaker 3: he'd ever done. And my Uncle Bill fought in Italy
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Speaker 3: in the Second World War. He said that disciplinary meeting
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Speaker 3: at the bowling club was far worse than the Italian campaign. So,
12:50
Speaker 3: you know, it went up and interviewed Jim for the
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Speaker 3: school media thing and and I remember I went in
12:56
Speaker 3: and I was I was 14 and he said right
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Speaker 3: and it was just a girl from my class with
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Speaker 3: a video camera and me and he said right so
13:02
Speaker 3: take us in the boardroom I said show me your
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Speaker 3: questions and I went oh right I gave him my
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Speaker 3: questions scored like half of them I really said I
13:11
Speaker 3: asked I remember I asked him a question in an
13:13
Speaker 3: interview where I said um do you think United should
13:15
Speaker 3: spend a bit more on transfers? And he just went potty.
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Speaker 3: And he said to me, I remember he called me
13:21
Speaker 3: hopelessly naive, and I was 14 at the time, because
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Speaker 3: I didn't understand what United's transfer budget should be. So
13:29
Speaker 3: lots of little writing things, always around football. But I
13:33
Speaker 3: think it was difficult, because it was kind of like pre-internet.
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Speaker 3: And same for you, I'm sure. Pre-internet, the world always
13:39
Speaker 3: seems much bigger and scarier, and you felt so far
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Speaker 3: from all these things.
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Speaker 5: Yes.
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Speaker 3: Growing up in Dundee, didn't know anyone that had worked
13:47
Speaker 3: in creative arts. You're sometimes reading The Courier about maybe
13:51
Speaker 3: Brian Cox or Ricky Ross or someone like that. So
13:53
Speaker 3: you see that people had done these things. So I
13:57
Speaker 3: kind of drifted about a little bit. I went to university,
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Speaker 3: but I didn't quite have the guts to do writing.
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Speaker 3: Went down to London for a couple of years. And
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Speaker 3: then I thought, I want to be a writer. I
14:07
Speaker 3: think I've got a chance here. So I went back
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Speaker 3: to Scotland, went back to Edinburgh. and just worked in
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Speaker 3: a pub, worked for Kenny Waugh Jr.
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Speaker 2: You probably know Kenny Waugh.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so Kenny had all the pubs around the Cowgate
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Speaker 3: and things, so worked in the Three Sisters and places
14:20
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, yeah, and so well into my 20s,
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Speaker 3: worked for Kenny and around, he had a nightclub, Faith
14:29
Speaker 3: nightclub in Cowgate I worked at and I was just
14:33
Speaker 3: working every night and then during the day trying to
14:35
Speaker 3: write and trying to get work of some sort of nature.
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Speaker 3: So it was things like football websites and Wednesday, Saturday
14:42
Speaker 3: comes little football magazines and then the Scotsman and the
14:45
Speaker 3: Herald started giving me a little bit of work doing
14:49
Speaker 3: match reports and things.
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Speaker 1: Was it articles or more match reports?
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Speaker 3: It started with match reports, which were brilliant. I mean,
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Speaker 3: that was, first of all, I find it incredibly exciting
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Speaker 3: as a big football fan to be in the press
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Speaker 3: box and things. But equally, as a writing discipline, match
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Speaker 3: reports are really, really good because you have X amount
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Speaker 3: of words published you know, 300 words or something like
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Speaker 3: 400 words. So every single word has to count. So
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Speaker 3: it teaches you to be so kind of interrogate yourself
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Speaker 3: with your choices and kind of tell this in a
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Speaker 3: more succinct way. And then you obviously have to get
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Speaker 3: the report in 15, 20 minutes after the final whistle.
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Speaker 3: And this was just before, you know, everyone had Wi-Fi
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Speaker 3: and you just emailed over. I was still phoning, you'd
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Speaker 3: phone in, you'd phone in the match report.
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Speaker 2: What year that would have been then?
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Speaker 3: So that would have been, I would have been around 2003. 2003-ish, probably. 2003, maybe.
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Speaker 3: Early noughties. Yeah, about then. So sort of starting to do...
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Speaker 3: So yeah, 2003, 4, 5, 6, I'd be working in
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Speaker 3: the pub, doing some match reports, doing some magazine things.
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Speaker 3: I remember the first game I did was Motherwell Dundee,
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Speaker 3: and then I did a lot of lower division games.
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Speaker 3: But I remember there was a game that I did,
16:03
Speaker 3: and I'd written the whole report, and one team were
16:06
Speaker 3: very on top, I think it was like Ross, Kent,
16:07
Speaker 3: St Mirren, one team were totally on top, and I
16:10
Speaker 3: was feeling pretty pleased with myself, pretty much written it,
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Speaker 3: and the whole report was abdominal, it was too late goals,
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Speaker 3: and I was completely fucked, and I was like, oh
16:17
Speaker 3: my god, so I'm frantically, 15 minutes to try and
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Speaker 3: rewrite it, and this old school report was next to me,
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Speaker 3: cool as you like, just having this cup of tea,
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Speaker 3: and I phoned it in, and he said to me,
16:28
Speaker 3: listen sir, I'll give you a tip, you write the
16:30
Speaker 3: first paragraph last, right, So what you do is you
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Speaker 3: write the story of the game quite kind of neutrally,
16:35
Speaker 3: just what happened. And then the final whistle, you'd go
16:38
Speaker 3: and write the first paragraph and say, Ross County dominated today.
16:42
Speaker 3: And then you're covered, you know? And I'd also have
16:44
Speaker 3: the ups and downs. And I remember the other one was,
16:49
Speaker 3: because I had no qualifications with these things. I just
16:51
Speaker 3: kept talking myself to the next stage of writing. And
16:53
Speaker 3: then I remember I did a Livingston game and they'd
16:57
Speaker 3: just signed... Fernandes so you'll know the punchline to this
17:03
Speaker 3: but I so I wrote this and I was like
17:05
Speaker 3: who the fuck is this guy and I thought someone
17:07
Speaker 3: said oh he's French right so anyway they won 1-0
17:11
Speaker 3: and I said won 1-0 the Gaelic typical Gaelic arrogance
17:16
Speaker 3: with the finish by the Frenchman or something like that
17:18
Speaker 3: anyway sent it in and really pleased myself I think
17:22
Speaker 3: it was Scotland Sunday hadn't really done anything for them
17:23
Speaker 3: before and they're this really tough sports sport that used
17:27
Speaker 3: to edit the games very pleased myself, got the paper
17:29
Speaker 3: the next day, sub-editor obviously got in, and it said
17:31
Speaker 3: a neat finish from the Spaniards, and I was like, oh,
17:34
Speaker 3: this is fucking hell. So all week I'm thinking, that's it,
17:37
Speaker 3: and it's over. How did you survive it? So you
17:40
Speaker 3: had to phone up, I think you had to phone
17:43
Speaker 3: up on a Thursday to see if they'd give you
17:44
Speaker 3: a game at the weekend, so I phoned up, waited
17:46
Speaker 3: all week, so I phoned up on Thursday, could I
17:48
Speaker 3: speak to the guy who got put through, just ringing, ringing, ringing,
17:51
Speaker 3: and he picked up the phone and he just went, Bonjour!
17:55
Speaker 3: And then he said, you know, Reith Rove or whatever.
17:58
Speaker 3: So Reith Rove was in his second.
17:59
Speaker 2: Did you have to mark the players as well at 10?
18:02
Speaker 2: Because that used to be the thing back then.
18:05
Speaker 3: Dressing rooms, you got into that.
18:06
Speaker 2: I never quite did.
18:08
Speaker 3: I got a friend.
18:09
Speaker 2: Now everybody has a, you know, social media, everybody has
18:14
Speaker 2: a voice.
18:15
Speaker 3: To tell you you were cheating. I know, you must
18:18
Speaker 3: have hated that fives and sixes.
18:20
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like there, but then... and then you're
18:23
Speaker 2: playing in there going, I don't pay any attention to it,
18:26
Speaker 2: but you did. Yeah.
18:27
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
18:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, you played, put me a five.
18:30
Speaker 1: That's the guy who watched the game.
18:32
Speaker 3: No, you must have hated it. I don't, well, luckily,
18:34
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever did that, but it was,
18:36
Speaker 3: but then, you know, and then they started to give
18:38
Speaker 3: me like more, go and interview people and things. I'll
18:41
Speaker 3: tell you, actually, one of my first interviews was Phil O'Donnell.
18:45
Speaker 3: You would have been with him down in Sheffield.
18:46
Speaker 4: Right.
18:47
Speaker 3: You came to Sheffield? You were there together, weren't you?
18:48
Speaker 5: Yeah.
18:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I came down for the day in the train.
18:50
Speaker 2: Did you? Surprised I wasn't there, we were joined to
18:54
Speaker 2: the hip.
18:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he picked me up, but this is incredible,
18:58
Speaker 3: so he picked me up, took me to somewhere, and
18:59
Speaker 3: I was so nervous, because I hadn't really done one-on-ones before.
19:05
Speaker 3: And it was like this, and I remember sitting there,
19:06
Speaker 3: and I remember recording everything, and chatting away, so filthy,
19:10
Speaker 3: and I was probably 23, 24 at the time, and
19:13
Speaker 3: just so nervous, you're such a nice guy, which you'll
19:15
Speaker 3: know better than me, and chatting away. Ten minutes in,
19:17
Speaker 3: I had that horrible thing, I was like, not press
19:20
Speaker 3: the record I'm not gonna and that horrible moment I
19:22
Speaker 3: said oh my god and it's building so anyway he
19:26
Speaker 3: sought he sought a guest right because I was going
19:29
Speaker 3: oh and he could see me play all the colours
19:30
Speaker 3: right from my face and I was going and he
19:32
Speaker 3: went have you forgotten to thing and what was so
19:35
Speaker 3: incredible he went just start again he said don't worry
19:38
Speaker 3: about it and I said well and he went no
19:40
Speaker 3: no ask exactly the same questions again and stuff and
19:42
Speaker 3: he just um what a good he's a good boy
19:46
Speaker 3: so yeah lots of things like that and um and
19:50
Speaker 3: then from there i got into the sort of um
19:52
Speaker 3: men's magazines and sort of maximum fhm and stuff you
19:56
Speaker 3: know it was kind of they believe it or.
19:58
Speaker 1: Not breaks for you or was it just a natural.
20:00
Speaker 3: Yeah well what you would do is you you know
20:02
Speaker 3: once i've done a few things like that i would
20:04
Speaker 3: then send a little you know email, like, try and
20:07
Speaker 3: find out the email address for, like, a features editor
20:10
Speaker 3: at a magazine and say, look, I've done this and that.
20:11
Speaker 3: Can you give me a chance? I've got the story idea.
20:13
Speaker 3: And he'd say, well, go and do that. We'll give you...
20:15
Speaker 3: And I was always just trying to get to the
20:16
Speaker 3: next level, you know, and the next opportunity, if you like.
20:20
Speaker 3: And then when I was working with these, the magazines
20:23
Speaker 3: were great. And I did, you know, it's funny, Neil Lennon,
20:28
Speaker 3: because I saw you had him on there, which I
20:29
Speaker 3: really enjoyed, on here, sorry. And he was brilliant with
20:32
Speaker 3: me as well, because I remember... What I used to
20:34
Speaker 3: do a lot of is just sell Scottish stories that
20:36
Speaker 3: we all knew, but to these English magazines. So I'd say, oh,
20:39
Speaker 3: Neil Lennon's got this incredible story, everything that's happened to him.
20:41
Speaker 3: This one, he was captain at Celtic. And I remember
20:44
Speaker 3: I went and interviewed him for FHM at Parkhead. And
20:47
Speaker 3: then I think I went and interviewed for Maxi a
20:49
Speaker 3: few months later. And he said, all right, that's the same.
20:52
Speaker 3: And then I went back a few months later for
20:54
Speaker 3: Front Magazine or something, just trying to get another 500 quid.
20:56
Speaker 3: I remember when he came out to the reception part,
20:59
Speaker 3: he went, are you taking the fucking page? And he went,
21:03
Speaker 3: do you get paid every time? And I went, yeah.
21:06
Speaker 3: And he went, oh, come on then. And just told
21:07
Speaker 3: me the same anecdotes again. So yeah, there's lots of
21:10
Speaker 3: things like that. And then when I was doing those magazines,
21:13
Speaker 3: I found my first story became my first book. So
21:15
Speaker 3: I wrote about seven books in the end, but half
21:17
Speaker 3: a dozen before I did television. A couple of novels.
21:20
Speaker 3: A true story of a young Glaswegian credit card fraudster.
21:23
Speaker 3: A really interesting story. A guy called Elliot Castro from
21:27
Speaker 3: Battlefield in Glasgow. It was a bit like Catch Me
21:29
Speaker 3: If You Can. I mean, he just basically came up
21:31
Speaker 3: with this credit card fraud and he went around the world.
21:34
Speaker 3: Went through a couple of million pounds. Incredible. And that
21:39
Speaker 3: was a good example whereby... I was just walking down
21:42
Speaker 3: Leith Walk in Edinburgh where I lived, and there was
21:45
Speaker 3: a tiny bit in a Scottish newspaper saying, teenage Scottish
21:49
Speaker 3: con man jail. And it just said this teenage kid
21:53
Speaker 3: had stolen quite a lot of money using credit card fraud.
21:56
Speaker 3: And I was thinking, this is mad. There's got to
21:58
Speaker 3: be a lot more to it than this. And this
22:00
Speaker 3: is the thing at the time, because it was always
22:02
Speaker 3: about finding stories, finding stories, and selling stories. So I
22:04
Speaker 3: was like, right, where did he get convicted? I think
22:07
Speaker 3: it was Isleworth, because he got caught.
22:09
Speaker 2: He threw.
22:10
Speaker 3: And then I worked out the local prison would have
22:12
Speaker 3: been Remand, probably Wormwood Scrubs. And I just wrote to
22:15
Speaker 3: Wormwood Scrubs, Elliot Castro, no prison number or anything. And
22:18
Speaker 3: about two weeks later, I got a reply. And he said,
22:20
Speaker 3: you know, interesting, why would you like to tell my story?
22:23
Speaker 3: I went back and forth. And then he got moved
22:24
Speaker 3: to an open prison in Sussex. And I went down
22:27
Speaker 3: for the day, interviewed him. And that was an article
22:30
Speaker 3: in Maxim. And then I sent that article to publishers.
22:32
Speaker 3: And that became my first book deal, writing his story.
22:35
Speaker 3: So It's almost finding things.
22:37
Speaker 1: You said you started with novels, and then you obviously
22:41
Speaker 1: got into that sort of stuff, finding stories, bringing them
22:44
Speaker 1: to the fore. Is that what you prefer to do?
22:48
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've done two novels, which I find incredibly hard,
22:51
Speaker 3: to be honest. It's like you're making it. It sounds obvious,
22:56
Speaker 3: but it's the tyranny of possibility. If anything can happen,
23:00
Speaker 3: how do you decide what's going to happen? How do
23:03
Speaker 3: you feel confident you've made the right best choice? And
23:07
Speaker 3: Guilt was fictional drama on TV. We did three series
23:10
Speaker 3: of that and again, found it very difficult. And actually
23:14
Speaker 3: they're kind of inspired by true events, kind of shows
23:16
Speaker 3: I do now. I do find them easier to be honest.
23:19
Speaker 3: I do find, yeah. And I think maybe because I
23:21
Speaker 3: started as a journalist, I quite enjoy the research period.
23:23
Speaker 3: I don't find it daunting. I like doing interviews and
23:26
Speaker 3: pulling stories out of people. And then I quite like
23:28
Speaker 3: piecing that together. And then the creative license is all
23:31
Speaker 3: there in terms of making a television show. But knowing
23:35
Speaker 3: the stories there, I kind of relax a bit so
23:39
Speaker 3: like Legends 2 for example the researcher I'll have a
23:42
Speaker 3: few meetings with him point in the right direction and
23:44
Speaker 3: he'll give me this massive document of research.
23:47
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24:25
Speaker 3: So get yourselves down And it's quite daunting because you've
24:28
Speaker 3: got to get six episodes of TV out of that.
24:29
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I know it's in there.
24:31
Speaker 3: So I can look at that document and say, I
24:32
Speaker 3: know the show is in there, the story is in there.
24:35
Speaker 3: And it partly relaxes because I don't have to come
24:38
Speaker 3: up with it. I have to join it together and
24:40
Speaker 3: work out how to tell it. But with fiction, that
24:43
Speaker 3: thing starting with a blank page, I do find it
24:46
Speaker 3: quite daunting. I'm glad I did it. I feel really
24:49
Speaker 3: pleased I did it and I've done it, but I
24:51
Speaker 3: don't feel any need.
24:51
Speaker 2: To do it. what was the comedy.
24:54
Speaker 3: Bob Servant Brian Cox yeah so that was and that
24:59
Speaker 3: was you know I'd written a couple of basically humour
25:02
Speaker 3: books based in Dundee kind of to make my mates
25:05
Speaker 3: laugh really you know and then managed to get the
25:08
Speaker 3: book to Brian that was a united connection to that
25:11
Speaker 3: actually that was I was in New York for a
25:14
Speaker 3: period doing some journalism and studying screenwriting and I'd written
25:20
Speaker 3: this Bob Servant book and it kind of so well
25:22
Speaker 3: basically in Dundee and they'd been and gone and I
25:26
Speaker 3: went to watch United play Rangers so there's a Celtic
25:27
Speaker 3: pub and a Rangers pub in New York you probably
25:29
Speaker 3: know this and er We were playing Rangers in the
25:32
Speaker 3: quarter-final of the Scottish Cup. So it's a game when...
25:35
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of you guys. It came off
25:38
Speaker 3: Davey Robertson's arse, basically, and we won 1-0. I don't
25:41
Speaker 3: think it was... The first one was... Yeah, your first game.
25:43
Speaker 3: That was 1-3-1.
25:44
Speaker 2: First game.
25:44
Speaker 3: 19 seconds we scored. Yes. I remember that game. But
25:47
Speaker 3: just quickly, so this game in New York, one other
26:02
Speaker 3: United fan in the bar and then Rangers fans and
26:05
Speaker 3: we United won so I had a couple of beers
26:06
Speaker 3: with this guy and we had kind of mutual friends
26:09
Speaker 3: and he anyway he'd been given this Bob Sutherland book
26:12
Speaker 3: by his mum for his Christmas so bizarrely he knew
26:14
Speaker 3: about it and knew about me and I said well
26:16
Speaker 3: we're maybe going to try and do it for radio
26:17
Speaker 3: or TV but I don't know it'll only work if
26:19
Speaker 3: you because I've never done anything and it'll only work
26:22
Speaker 3: if I get a decent actor and really and he
26:25
Speaker 3: said well who would you what would your ideal choice
26:27
Speaker 3: be and I said well Brian Cox he said I
26:29
Speaker 3: know Brian And I was like, I thought this is ridiculous.
26:33
Speaker 3: But Brian did live in, you know, he lives in Brooklyn.
26:36
Speaker 3: So I kind of called this guy Smuff, gave him
26:38
Speaker 3: the book, and didn't hear anything. And then about three
26:41
Speaker 3: weeks later, Owen Bell, who was at BBC Scotland Comedy,
26:45
Speaker 3: called me up and said, I've just had the oddest
26:46
Speaker 3: phone call from Brian Cox's manager. He said, when do
26:48
Speaker 3: you want to make this podcast? And I was like,
26:51
Speaker 3: this is crazy. So he came and did it. And
26:54
Speaker 3: then Brian later told me that in his apartment in Brooklyn,
26:58
Speaker 3: his son Alan, who's also an actor, he's actually in
27:00
Speaker 3: The Gold, great guy, he was over visiting. And Brian
27:03
Speaker 3: had a big stack of scripts and books in his
27:06
Speaker 3: thing that he'd been sent and he was never going
27:08
Speaker 3: to get round to looking at. And Alan grabbed the
27:11
Speaker 3: Bob Servant thing, basically got the toilet, right? So then
27:15
Speaker 3: he was in the bathroom reading, and Brian heard him laughing,
27:20
Speaker 3: and he came out and said, what are you up
27:21
Speaker 3: to in there? And he said, oh, you should do this,
27:23
Speaker 3: this looks funny, and gave him it, and that's how Brian...
27:26
Speaker 3: So it was the choice of his son's bathroom reading
27:29
Speaker 3: material basically it's probably where it belongs but so that
27:32
Speaker 3: was that.
27:33
Speaker 1: Was your first thing it went to screen went to.
27:34
Speaker 3: Tv yeah so that made a big thing and then
27:38
Speaker 3: and then a few years of you know trying and
27:41
Speaker 3: failing to get another short way in comedy but really
27:45
Speaker 3: kind of wanting to do drama and then it was
27:48
Speaker 3: uh it was kind of guilt that kind of that
27:50
Speaker 3: kind of made that that difference really.
27:52
Speaker 1: It's a pinch yourself moment that in it really yeah
27:54
Speaker 1: you mentioned brian You mentioned Ricky Ross earlier on at
27:58
Speaker 1: Big United fans. You were going to the game with
28:00
Speaker 1: Ricky the night Brian was there. Would you ever think
28:03
Speaker 1: of considering doing a football themed?
28:06
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I think it's hard with
28:09
Speaker 3: football because it's like... I tried it. You tried it.
28:12
Speaker 2: I had Gary Lewis as my manager.
28:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant.
28:16
Speaker 2: He was brilliant.
28:17
Speaker 3: I've never watched it. Was that a fun experience though?
28:20
Speaker 2: I absolutely loved it. Even though it was, you know,
28:24
Speaker 2: we had all these people came along and script, so
28:27
Speaker 2: we'd done a pilot and it was 30 minutes. It
28:32
Speaker 2: was 30 minutes, like, being extras, all my pals, you know,
28:36
Speaker 2: and I would say Gary Lewis was the main manager
28:40
Speaker 2: and the main person. But then the whole concept was,
28:44
Speaker 2: like the therapy room it was called, So it was
28:46
Speaker 2: like a video diary. So it would change every episode.
28:51
Speaker 2: You know, it would be one player, then it goes
28:53
Speaker 2: to another player, and you're getting to... Basically, you see
28:57
Speaker 2: what really happened. Because when we go to the television,
29:00
Speaker 2: as a manager and a player, we speak to the journalist.
29:04
Speaker 2: You say, well, what happened in the dressing room? Eh, manager,
29:06
Speaker 2: it was great. But then you actually, the camera goes in,
29:10
Speaker 2: it's like a fly on the wall. And you, you
29:13
Speaker 2: fucking useless bastard. It's the reality of what you see
29:17
Speaker 2: when you're watching the telly and what really happens behind,
29:21
Speaker 2: because everybody wants to know what the manager says. I
29:23
Speaker 2: know there's different TV, you know, sports channels. When I
29:27
Speaker 2: was managing Dundee United, they wanted to put the camera
29:30
Speaker 2: in the changing room.
29:31
Speaker 3: Did they?
29:31
Speaker 2: Without the sound, but then I was like.
29:33
Speaker 3: Not the club or the TV channel?
29:34
Speaker 2: No, the TV channel.
29:35
Speaker 3: They do it better now, don't they?
29:38
Speaker 2: Everything we do, we follow America.
29:40
Speaker 3: Right, yeah.
29:41
Speaker 2: You know, even doing the subs, we'll be talking about
29:44
Speaker 2: earlier on, the VAR and commercial breaks, hydration breaks, everything
29:48
Speaker 2: we do in football and substitutions, it's just getting so American. Refcams. Refcams.
29:56
Speaker 3: How did you two handle halftime? How were you divvied up?
29:59
Speaker 3: Did you go in first?
30:00
Speaker 2: Good cop, bad cop?
30:02
Speaker 1: I don't really... Good cop, bad cop. I think sometimes
30:06
Speaker 1: if you rant and rave, it hits the target once. See,
30:11
Speaker 1: if you do it over and over, it doesn't become effective.
30:14
Speaker 2: If you lose it all the time, it's the same
30:17
Speaker 2: on your side of the park. If you're shouting and
30:19
Speaker 2: screaming at every decision, whether it just be a throw-in
30:23
Speaker 2: or it's a penalty... It's like the boy that cried wolf,
30:27
Speaker 2: because you're the same the whole time. But when you
30:30
Speaker 2: do react, it's people's like, oh, it must be something there.
30:36
Speaker 2: I think we were quite calm on the side. I
30:38
Speaker 2: got sent off a couple of times, one against Tommy Wright,
30:43
Speaker 2: when they were kicking me goldie. Me and him, we
30:46
Speaker 2: were coming together, and he's like, is that what you're doing?
30:49
Speaker 2: You're teaching your guys to kick young players? Brilliant, well done.
30:52
Speaker 2: He's like, you're fucking Brazil. I said, no, I'm trying
30:55
Speaker 2: to get them to play football the right way, trying
30:57
Speaker 2: to make them better. You're a stopper. I'm trying to
31:01
Speaker 2: stop them and kick them. And he was just, the
31:04
Speaker 2: two of us got sent off. He was like, you
31:06
Speaker 2: wee prick. And I was like, you fat bastard. And
31:08
Speaker 2: the two of us got sent off. And my dad,
31:12
Speaker 2: my dad's actually the side of the pitch in the
31:14
Speaker 2: boxes at Tanadise. My dad's like, you all right, son?
31:17
Speaker 2: He's coming down, he's going to fight Tommy Ride for me. Honest, honest.
31:22
Speaker 2: But then I said to Simon, you do the press
31:24
Speaker 2: after it. Because I'll end up saying something about it.
31:29
Speaker 2: And he went in and just kind of diffused it.
31:32
Speaker 2: And then Tommy's like, I've never been so insulted in
31:35
Speaker 2: all my life. I was like, I can do a
31:37
Speaker 2: lot better than that. But it was just that wee
31:40
Speaker 2: thing and that was the.
31:41
Speaker 3: Ah, quite right, yeah.
31:42
Speaker 2: You know, you're trying to protect your voice.
31:43
Speaker 3: They were so young, those lads.
31:44
Speaker 2: Yeah. And they were gifted, they were different. And you're,
31:48
Speaker 2: I think... in football week the easiest thing to do
31:51
Speaker 2: is stop.
31:52
Speaker 1: You see the wee boy we were talking about it
31:54
Speaker 1: last night Fleetwood played Arsenal last night and the wee
31:56
Speaker 1: boy Max Dowman gets sent off now he has a
32:00
Speaker 1: little lash out after it probably shouldn't do it it's
32:02
Speaker 1: not much but the potential it's a leg breaking tackle
32:06
Speaker 1: you know the guy tries to take him out he's 15,
32:08
Speaker 1: 16 so there's a balance there but you know the
32:12
Speaker 1: wee guy ends up getting sent.
32:13
Speaker 2: Off that's bizarre it was like he's now the manager
32:16
Speaker 2: at Dundee United So when we were playing St Mirrage.
32:19
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that. It was a challenge on... Stuart Armstrong.
32:21
Speaker 2: Stuart Armstrong. So, like, at the time, right, I actually
32:26
Speaker 2: changed the start and 11 for the first... I said, see,
32:29
Speaker 2: for the first 10 minutes, because I knew he would
32:31
Speaker 2: do it to Goldie. I knew he would try and
32:33
Speaker 2: intimidate or kick me, Goldie, Jim Goodwin. So I put
32:36
Speaker 2: Goldie in the right to start with, and I put
32:38
Speaker 2: Stuart in the middle and GMS on the left, and
32:41
Speaker 2: obviously Nads up front. And I said, just for 10 minutes,
32:44
Speaker 2: till the game settles, I says, then you'll go back
32:47
Speaker 2: to You know, GMS on the right, Goldie in the
32:50
Speaker 2: middle and Stewart on the left. And what happens? Jim Goodwin, boof,
32:54
Speaker 2: elbows Stewart and he breaks his cheekbone. Red card and
32:58
Speaker 2: I'm driving back to Edinburgh after the game and Chick
33:01
Speaker 2: Young's on the radio, they're opening all mics, the BBC.
33:05
Speaker 2: Jackie McNamara targeted Jim Goodwin today. I was like, fuck.
33:09
Speaker 2: So I phoned them while they were on the show
33:11
Speaker 2: and I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
33:13
Speaker 3: I said, you're making out to be the victim, you
33:15
Speaker 3: could have put.
33:16
Speaker 2: The boy's cheekbone. I said, I actually moved, the young
33:18
Speaker 2: kid was meant to start there, I moved him there
33:21
Speaker 2: to start the game. I said, you're making him out
33:33
Speaker 2: And he came back on the radio check and said,
33:36
Speaker 2: I've just spoke to Jack, he didn't target Jim Goodwin.
33:41
Speaker 3: For that team, the players you had there are exciting,
33:45
Speaker 3: isn't it, that crop?
33:46
Speaker 2: It's a good.
33:47
Speaker 1: Team for a spell, but inevitably you can't keep them.
33:52
Speaker 3: It's hard to get that level. When you were there,
33:54
Speaker 3: who was so... So we came in in the January.
34:00
Speaker 2: We came in in January. My first game was the Rangers.
34:03
Speaker 2: And then Johnny Russell and Don Dele went to the Rangers.
34:08
Speaker 2: Johnny Russell went to Derby. Obviously with the debt, the
34:12
Speaker 2: bank took that. And Barry Douglas went to Poland.
34:15
Speaker 3: That's right. For decent money as well.
34:17
Speaker 2: So we brought in Robertson. Nadir was in trial. Shifty
34:23
Speaker 2: was in trial. All the wee boys were coming in.
34:26
Speaker 2: Then we brought the other ones through, but we had
34:28
Speaker 2: to slice it all down with the budget, getting everything
34:30
Speaker 2: getting cut, which is why Peter Houston resigned, because he
34:33
Speaker 2: couldn't live with the budgets. The kids weren't ready, and
34:35
Speaker 2: they weren't ready. So we had to live with that
34:38
Speaker 2: and then grow it. But just as you're getting somewhere,
34:41
Speaker 2: that first six months with Robertson, we thought he was
34:44
Speaker 2: going in desperate to try and keep him in the January,
34:47
Speaker 2: because everybody was coming up to watch him, everyone would
34:49
Speaker 2: come up to buy him. But we did well to
34:51
Speaker 2: keep him for the season. And then he went, obviously,
34:54
Speaker 2: to Hull at the end of that season. Then Goldie went.
34:57
Speaker 3: So they too went. Spain.
35:00
Speaker 2: It was Portugal, wasn't it? And then the following year,
35:04
Speaker 2: it was, sorry, following January. So you're building another team.
35:08
Speaker 2: So that was three teams in two and a half years.
35:10
Speaker 2: Take rid of a lot of debt.
35:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, difficult. It's a selling club, but it's, it's almost
35:16
Speaker 3: your victim of your own success in terms of those
35:18
Speaker 3: players because it's so unusual to sell that many in
35:20
Speaker 3: such a short period it was five and twelve was
35:23
Speaker 3: it Stephen Thompson at that point was it yeah and
35:25
Speaker 3: he was just trying to pay down.
35:27
Speaker 2: But then it became the only bit of regret I've
35:30
Speaker 2: got personally is not leaving when my contract broke I
35:33
Speaker 2: should have just resigned and walked out but part of
35:37
Speaker 2: me was because I thought I could do it again
35:40
Speaker 2: and I didn't obviously my staff you're looking after your
35:43
Speaker 2: staff and everything else I thought Because I'd done, that
35:45
Speaker 2: was my 13, two years, two and a half years.
35:48
Speaker 2: And I thought, I can do it again. It's going
35:50
Speaker 2: to take time. You know, like the ones I was
35:53
Speaker 2: bringing in, because you couldn't afford to buy it, so
35:55
Speaker 2: you've got to grow it.
35:56
Speaker 4: Yeah.
35:57
Speaker 2: And that was my point with Stephen. I was like,
35:59
Speaker 2: this is when I brought Andy Robertson in a year ago.
36:02
Speaker 2: We could afford him. 12 months on, we can't.
36:05
Speaker 1: Hi guys, as you probably well know by now, we
36:08
Speaker 1: have signed up for the London Marathon next April and
36:13
Speaker 1: we have some fantastic people supporting us, groups supporting us,
36:17
Speaker 1: we're doing it for a fantastic cause, or two causes,
36:19
Speaker 1: who are we doing it for?
36:20
Speaker 2: We're doing it for Headway UK and the Concilium Sports Foundation.
36:24
Speaker 1: Yep, so we're going to have some updated videos of
36:28
Speaker 1: our progress and our training and everything else it takes
36:32
Speaker 1: to get us over the line. He's emphasised that time
36:35
Speaker 1: doesn't matter.
36:35
Speaker 2: I probably agree. As long as we complete it.
36:39
Speaker 1: There'll be a link in the bio for any charity donations.
36:44
Speaker 1: We're going to be raising as much money as we
36:46
Speaker 1: can over the next period of time. Our training starts
36:49
Speaker 1: very soon. And yeah, look forward to some updates on here.
36:53
Speaker 3: Hopefully no injuries.
36:55
Speaker 2: Right, because he went for £ 3 million. Yeah, yeah. And
36:57
Speaker 2: that's what you've got to do. You've got to teach
36:59
Speaker 2: and grow. Because we can't back... That's why the club
37:01
Speaker 2: was in... the position it was in before because they've
37:04
Speaker 2: overspent and overdone it.
37:06
Speaker 3: Well, we bought a lot of players that were just
37:07
Speaker 3: towards the end of their careers and spent a lot
37:09
Speaker 3: of money on them.
37:11
Speaker 1: The cup final never helped things.
37:13
Speaker 3: St Johnson. St Johnson. One game can change everything. One game.
37:16
Speaker 1: They were our bogey team that year.
37:17
Speaker 2: We beat them, I think.
37:18
Speaker 1: We beat them in the first game of the season.
37:20
Speaker 2: And we weren't that great. We couldn't beat them again.
37:22
Speaker 1: They were our bogey team. When you look back at
37:24
Speaker 1: that final, the four or five superstars never really.
37:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a strange game that. It didn't really
37:32
Speaker 3: get going.
37:33
Speaker 1: Hit the underside of the bar.
37:34
Speaker 3: That's right. It was Dow.
37:36
Speaker 2: Who hit the inside of the post. But they were
37:42
Speaker 2: the better team of the day. But without, you know,
37:45
Speaker 2: the first goal comes from the corner just at half-time.
37:48
Speaker 2: Rado comes out and misses it and he's got the
37:50
Speaker 2: head at the back post and then they get the
37:52
Speaker 2: breakaway which kills the game. When we were playing them,
37:56
Speaker 2: you really had to get the first goal to make
37:58
Speaker 2: them come out because there were a lot of experienced
38:01
Speaker 2: players that was a big day.
38:04
Speaker 3: The Celtic semi-final that was a good Celtic team isn't it?
38:08
Speaker 2: It was but again when you go back to it
38:11
Speaker 2: when Dillow got sent off but he actually.
38:13
Speaker 3: He was off for ages getting his do you know
38:15
Speaker 3: I remember screaming probably at you too.
38:18
Speaker 2: What's going on? I still remember that he was off
38:20
Speaker 2: He was away for about 10 minutes or something and
38:22
Speaker 2: then he came back off Because he had stitches in
38:28
Speaker 2: his shin.
38:29
Speaker 3: That's right.
38:30
Speaker 2: And then he comes in and he gets a red card.
38:31
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happened.
38:33
Speaker 2: Because I kept turning around the bench for the technical
38:35
Speaker 2: area because you're so far away. I went, fuck is he?
38:39
Speaker 3: I remember you doing that because I was in the,
38:41
Speaker 3: for some reason I was in the main stand bit down,
38:42
Speaker 3: I was just behind and I still remember going, this
38:44
Speaker 3: is not mine. Because we're actually, there's nothing in the game.
38:46
Speaker 3: And then he brought it back on and within a
38:48
Speaker 3: minute he's back down. I mean the guy must have
38:50
Speaker 3: been putting away his stitches as he came back in
38:53
Speaker 3: at the chain. I don't know. But that was, what
38:55
Speaker 3: was the semi we had with Celtic?
38:56
Speaker 2: It was 4-3.
38:58
Speaker 3: That was the first season. That was an incredible game.
39:01
Speaker 3: That was that lovely breakaway goal with Gold and Castiel
39:05
Speaker 3: and they just kept giving it to each other. I
39:08
Speaker 3: might watch that in New York actually.
39:10
Speaker 1: Who's your favourite United team then?
39:14
Speaker 3: Well, the 94 Cup final for me was a huge
39:18
Speaker 3: focus because we hadn't won the Cup before then. It
39:22
Speaker 3: was our seventh. I'd been to a number of the
39:25
Speaker 3: ones that were so miserable before. a really tough one
39:28
Speaker 3: was Motherwell 91 do you remember that? I was there
39:30
Speaker 3: you were there and Motherwell Phil scored.
39:34
Speaker 1: Phil scored Darren Jackson scored went on to be my
39:37
Speaker 1: team mates Stevie Kirk Stevie Kirk but with a Motherwell
39:42
Speaker 1: supporting friend who took me I was just a kid,
39:44
Speaker 1: it was a year before I signed for Celtic it
39:47
Speaker 1: was a hell of a final obviously not for you guys.
39:50
Speaker 3: I went with my uncle Jimmy and I just couldn't
39:52
Speaker 3: believe it, it was swinging end to end 4-3, did
39:55
Speaker 3: it finish 4-3? Yeah after extra time so that was
39:59
Speaker 3: heartbreaking and then 94 you're like, strangers everything about that
40:05
Speaker 3: game was so mad the fact it was even goal
40:07
Speaker 3: actually we Jim had gone after all those years he
40:09
Speaker 3: had this kind of borderline lunatic, who was just like
40:14
Speaker 3: night and day. David Bowman always says it was from
40:17
Speaker 3: McLean to Golatch was going like cold hits to Bucklands.
40:20
Speaker 3: Because it was like Golatch was just taking for walks
40:22
Speaker 3: in Camberdown Park and stuff, you know, and tell them
40:25
Speaker 3: to smell the flowers. And then we went through there.
40:29
Speaker 3: So you went through, you know, with very little hope,
40:32
Speaker 3: you know, hope rather than expectations. I remember going to
40:35
Speaker 3: the post office bar on the ferry, but you maybe know,
40:37
Speaker 3: like at eight in the morning and you knocked on
40:39
Speaker 3: the back door and you'd get a pint and the bus,
40:41
Speaker 3: bus three and 16 there would have been. And we
40:45
Speaker 3: just played so well. I watched the extended highlights of
40:49
Speaker 3: that recently and I was like, we're just brilliant. And
40:51
Speaker 3: that Rangers, they were up for double treble. They were
40:55
Speaker 3: up for it. And their team is unbelievable. And I
40:58
Speaker 3: think by the end of the game, I think they
41:00
Speaker 3: had up front... from memory, McCoy, Haley, Duncan Ferguson, and Mikhailochenko,
41:06
Speaker 3: you know, all just, they banged the floor up, and
41:09
Speaker 3: it was, and we just, just, just so composed, and confident,
41:13
Speaker 3: knocked it about, like, if you watch those highlights, and that,
41:17
Speaker 3: and also, Craig Brewster's scoring, as a childhood, childhood United fan,
41:21
Speaker 3: so that was a, the Barcelona game, that game, stand out,
41:26
Speaker 3: you know, a lot for me, you know, in terms
41:28
Speaker 3: of just, brilliant, but then you have these, There was
41:31
Speaker 3: other games like when we were in the playoffs against
41:33
Speaker 3: Partick Thistle. Don't know if either of you, you wouldn't
41:35
Speaker 3: have been involved in that in any way, but it was,
41:38
Speaker 3: Dunfermline won the league. So we went down, Billy Kirkwood
41:41
Speaker 3: was the manager. Big Leash took Dunfermline up. and do
41:45
Speaker 3: this aeroplane stuff and win the pitch and then we
41:48
Speaker 3: got because you weren't doing film you were.
41:49
Speaker 1: Playing were you not playing that game was that the
41:51
Speaker 1: game that we beat you that was what got you
41:54
Speaker 1: up we staved the elevation at Tanadar.
41:56
Speaker 3: That was the aeroplane so you staved the elevation and
41:58
Speaker 3: that was the aeroplane and then.
42:00
Speaker 1: I set Gary Mason up in big leash.
42:02
Speaker 3: That's right for the aeroplane celebrations and I think he
42:06
Speaker 3: did a little callback of it anyway so they won
42:09
Speaker 3: the league when we were in the first division so
42:11
Speaker 3: we were in the playoff with Thistle Won 1-0 through there.
42:16
Speaker 3: Tannis went down 1-0. Ian Cameron, was it, the full-back? Yeah,
42:22
Speaker 3: I think so. Anyway, Thistle went 1-0 up. And that was,
42:25
Speaker 3: you know... And then... Brian Welsh... Sorry, we drew it
42:34
Speaker 3: for a 1-0. Christian Daly scored. So when they went
42:36
Speaker 3: 1-0 up at Tannis, they were winning. Deep, deep in
42:39
Speaker 3: injury time. Tannis packed... And that's like, God, if we
42:43
Speaker 3: don't go up here, we're in real trouble. That was
42:45
Speaker 3: the stage where a lot of clubs were hitting proper
42:46
Speaker 3: financial problems. And Andy McLaren kind of gets the ball
42:51
Speaker 3: in front of the executive boxers on that right wing.
42:54
Speaker 3: And only Andy McLaren would have done it. He could
42:57
Speaker 3: have gone back to the full-back, he was wide open,
43:00
Speaker 3: and he's just spun the full-back, hit the thing, chipped
43:04
Speaker 3: over Brian Welsh... Big centre half, stayed forward, got on
43:07
Speaker 3: a diving header and that celebration I think was probably
43:10
Speaker 3: the best ever at Tannan. It's just the relief of
43:12
Speaker 3: it and then Owen Coyle got the winner in extra time.
43:15
Speaker 3: So I think those three games, Barcelona, 94 Cup final
43:18
Speaker 3: and beating Parted this on the play-off to kind of
43:20
Speaker 3: save ourselves a bit and get back up.
43:23
Speaker 1: It's funny how you remember things. As you're talking about celebrations,
43:25
Speaker 1: remember to make top six that first season?
43:30
Speaker 2: United against Aberdeen yes yeah.
43:33
Speaker 1: Rory Bolden it was the only time I seen Stephen
43:36
Speaker 1: Thompson smile Rory Bolden that's right Rory Bolden scores and
43:41
Speaker 1: he cuddles me in the tunnel.
43:42
Speaker 2: Because it was a huge financial you get the money
43:45
Speaker 2: right away if you in the bottom six you don't
43:49
Speaker 2: get to the end of the season then the club.
43:51
Speaker 3: Was in trouble financially at that point.
43:53
Speaker 2: When we were there yeah and that was the only
43:57
Speaker 2: time it was the only time we had any emotion
43:58
Speaker 2: from him But it was relief, you know.
44:02
Speaker 3: Those young lads you had, who do you think was
44:04
Speaker 3: the most exciting day in, day out at training?
44:08
Speaker 2: I would think, I mean, technically, I think wee Goldie.
44:12
Speaker 2: I loved watching him because he was three steps ahead.
44:17
Speaker 2: I think it was, for me, I was frustrated a
44:20
Speaker 2: wee bit with him because sometimes you want to shake him.
44:23
Speaker 2: You know, he was just.
44:26
Speaker 2: Very laid back and if you look at his career
44:29
Speaker 2: he's had a good career for what he had he
44:34
Speaker 2: was three moves ahead on the pitch it's tough you
44:38
Speaker 2: can't teach it's why you try to build a team
44:42
Speaker 2: around him put him in the 10 and give him
44:44
Speaker 2: that freedom the game you're talking about at Hampden the
44:49
Speaker 2: semi-final with Mackay Steven. So we were in the dressing
44:53
Speaker 2: room at half time and they had the goal up
44:56
Speaker 2: on the telly. And I'm saying to him there, cause
44:58
Speaker 2: it was Effie Ambrose who was playing centre half for Celtic.
45:02
Speaker 2: And I said to him, I said, I thought you
45:03
Speaker 2: were going to just go and shoot yourself. Eh, me man.
45:07
Speaker 2: He went, he said, I seen Ambrose take a step there.
45:10
Speaker 2: So I knew if I put it there, he couldn't
45:12
Speaker 2: get there. And that's, I went, aye, good, well done.
45:14
Speaker 2: See what I mean? But that was his wee football,
45:17
Speaker 2: you know, stuff you, they see things and they go
45:21
Speaker 2: in that split second. But he'd wait a pass, his
45:25
Speaker 2: decision making for a young kid was.
45:27
Speaker 1: And Robertson obviously with the desire and hunger.
45:31
Speaker 2: For us, I'd rather... Every day. Right.
45:34
Speaker 1: Just every day. You knew he was going to... I
45:36
Speaker 1: didn't quite anticipate the levels he'd get to in European
45:40
Speaker 1: Champions League winner.
45:41
Speaker 5: Yeah.
45:42
Speaker 2: But you knew he was going to work hard.
45:44
Speaker 3: Reminds me a bit of Christian Daly, you know, just
45:46
Speaker 3: the work, you know, an athlete, basically.
45:49
Speaker 2: Max and I is different than they've got, you know,
45:51
Speaker 2: and just be that determination, you know, maybe that was
45:56
Speaker 2: the kind of change for him was getting released from
45:58
Speaker 2: Celtic to just go, I'm going to prove you wrong.
46:01
Speaker 2: You know, you see it with so many kids, that's
46:03
Speaker 2: what I'd say to all the lads that have been
46:05
Speaker 2: released or there, and that's why in management, that's what
46:09
Speaker 2: I went after, because they were hungry. So all the
46:13
Speaker 2: kids that were released from other worlds, from Hearts, from Hibs,
46:17
Speaker 2: you're sort of giving them that second chance to go, right,
46:20
Speaker 2: here's your opportunity, go and prove them wrong.
46:23
Speaker 3: And they know it's their last chance as well, it
46:25
Speaker 3: makes a big difference. I think what's interesting with those
46:27
Speaker 3: players as well, that half dozen or so, almost all
46:30
Speaker 3: of them went on and achieved. You know, so many
46:33
Speaker 3: of the times, teams like United, they'll go to Celtic
46:35
Speaker 3: or Rangers and it's the end of them, really. Yeah.
46:38
Speaker 2: I think the biggest one that didn't for me was
46:42
Speaker 2: Nads Nadir.
46:43
Speaker 3: No, that's true, yeah.
46:44
Speaker 2: So Nads, if you look at Nads' career, it was
46:46
Speaker 2: only his best spell was that year with us.
46:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
46:50
Speaker 2: 23 goals. But he was a maverick for us. You know,
46:54
Speaker 2: he got treated differently. He got away with a lot.
46:57
Speaker 1: He needed managed.
46:57
Speaker 2: He needed managed.
46:59
Speaker 3: I mean, was he light off the pitch?
47:01
Speaker 1: Good lad.
47:02
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:03
Speaker 2: Respectful.
47:04
Speaker 3: Great lad. Just lost the plot.
47:05
Speaker 2: But in the first.
47:06
Speaker 1: He'd see red on the... It was hard to manage,
47:09
Speaker 1: but it was worth it.
47:10
Speaker 2: If you know what I mean. And we got, what,
47:11
Speaker 2: 20 plus goals at him?
47:14
Speaker 5: 23.
47:14
Speaker 1: I actually thought he'd be a big success at Celtic,
47:16
Speaker 1: but went there and just kind of got lost in
47:19
Speaker 1: the size of the place a wee bit.
47:20
Speaker 2: When he first signed pre-season, he had a thing in
47:25
Speaker 2: the training ground with Andy Robertson. The two of them
47:28
Speaker 2: were squaring up to fight, fighting with each other. And
47:31
Speaker 2: I sent him in. I sent him off in training.
47:35
Speaker 2: And then they carried on the training and I walked
47:37
Speaker 2: in to the pavilion at St Andrews and he's sitting
47:41
Speaker 2: there like that in the changing room and I says
47:42
Speaker 2: right into my office and I was like what the
47:48
Speaker 2: fuck are you doing and he's sitting in my office
47:50
Speaker 2: and he's put his head down but I knew he
47:53
Speaker 2: thought I was just going to come in from where
47:55
Speaker 2: maybe he'd been before so I started laughing I went
47:58
Speaker 2: what are you doing and he looked at me and
48:01
Speaker 2: he went oh what am I like you know sorry
48:04
Speaker 2: Gaffer and he went round to see Andy and apologised
48:06
Speaker 2: but he'd just go to red so quickly, you know,
48:10
Speaker 2: but then he realised it's like, you know, just calm down,
48:15
Speaker 2: it's not worth fighting over your team mate.
48:19
Speaker 3: I remember he used to just, at kick-offs, just dribble.
48:22
Speaker 3: I remember he'd just go straight off. Down that slope.
48:24
Speaker 1: He was good for us.
48:25
Speaker 2: He was a really good boy, deep down, although he
48:27
Speaker 2: had a lot of anger issues, shall we say, but
48:38
Speaker 2: he was, even the, his last game for us, the derby,
48:42
Speaker 2: the 3-0 one at Tenedyce against Dundee. So, it's the
48:48
Speaker 2: one where he's came out after the game and he's,
48:53
Speaker 2: that gaffer, they're saying I bit their player. I said, well,
48:57
Speaker 2: did you? He went, no, no, I swear, I never,
49:00
Speaker 2: I said, well, what you worried about then? He said, no, honestly,
49:02
Speaker 2: I never bit him. So I went out to do
49:04
Speaker 2: the press after the game And that's like, Nad's just
49:09
Speaker 2: not done anything. My player's innocent. And I get a
49:13
Speaker 2: call later on, Nad's phone's me at night. I might
49:15
Speaker 2: have had a wee chunk of him. It's like.
49:18
Speaker 3: you're a.
49:19
Speaker 2: Fucking bastard I'm defending you you know what I mean
49:23
Speaker 2: I said Gaffer I'm really sorry he's like right into
49:26
Speaker 2: me and he caught me and then he's like I
49:28
Speaker 2: had a wee nibble so obviously transpired the forensic stuff
49:34
Speaker 2: on with the teeth marks and pushing it I think
49:37
Speaker 2: he got and then we obviously sold him to Celtic
49:39
Speaker 2: then because Stephen Thompson's like he'll not play he's suspended
49:43
Speaker 2: we'll not get all the money and da da da
49:45
Speaker 2: da and he got 8 games banned for Celtic yeah.
49:48
Speaker 3: I remember that it's the lunatic great player though brilliant
49:52
Speaker 3: guy just exciting players he had then Well.
49:54
Speaker 1: Neil, you've been a great guest. I want to touch
49:56
Speaker 1: on one thing before we wrap it up.
49:59
Speaker 2: The soundtrack for Legends. Yeah. Your choice.
50:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And others, you know.
50:05
Speaker 1: Obviously that timeline, but any of your favourites in there?
50:08
Speaker 3: What a great period of music. But no, it's a
50:11
Speaker 3: conversation with directors and producers and story producers and everything else.
50:16
Speaker 3: I tend to make a playlist up when I'm writing.
50:21
Speaker 3: and some of them will make sometimes when I write
50:23
Speaker 3: the script I think of a song then sometimes you
50:26
Speaker 3: just wait and see what happens in the edit but
50:28
Speaker 3: yeah great period for music The Gold as well was
50:31
Speaker 3: good but getting into the 90s and then the second
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Speaker 3: series of Legends moving a bit more into the 90s
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Speaker 3: that's when it gets even more exciting for me Can
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Speaker 3: you walk on parts going for us? Leave me your
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Speaker 3: details Before.
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Speaker 1: We let you go we normally get a recommendation off
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Speaker 1: our previous guest who was George Bowie and it's an
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Speaker 1: album a film and a song and funnily enough the
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Speaker 1: song features on legends set you free in.
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Speaker 3: Trance oh really yeah that was what he picked that's
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Speaker 3: how he picks this song is it good song do
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Speaker 3: you know it's funny with that song so that uh
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Speaker 3: i love that exactly it takes you back to probably
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Speaker 3: some nightclub clubs yeah yeah so for me the mardi
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Speaker 3: gras and dundee yeah been in it yeah yeah and
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Speaker 3: um yeah and uh uh just really liked it anyway
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Speaker 3: it was it i think they we still open legends
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Speaker 3: see this one as 91 and i think the song
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Speaker 3: was 93 or something came out and i'm going to
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Speaker 3: use it and it has i'll get i'll get messages
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Speaker 3: about this because it's amazing what people message about they
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Speaker 3: get angry about things being out of time or whatever
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Speaker 3: anyway sure enough came out great reception to legends and
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Speaker 3: i probably get contacted by maybe a dozen people you
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Speaker 3: know strangers oh, that song didn't come out tonight. Three-week player,
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Speaker 3: and I'm really angry about it.
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Speaker 1: You got the years wrong.
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Speaker 3: But what I always reply to these people, I always say, yeah,
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Speaker 3: what it is, is the guy that had the party
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Speaker 3: in the scene, his dad's a janny at a sound studio,
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Speaker 3: and he got a bootleg copy. I send this long story,
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Speaker 3: and they're obviously like, take it at best, but I'm
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Speaker 3: so serious about the song. It's like I've given this
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Speaker 3: guy a whole backstory. So anyway, that just fitted brilliantly.
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Speaker 1: It's a good tactic.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So that's his song. Film is Private Parts with Howard Stern.
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Speaker 3: Right, okay, yeah, yeah. Have you seen it? Yeah, biopic
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Speaker 3: of Howard Stern, yeah.
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Speaker 1: And his album was Kev and Perry Go Larch, the
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Speaker 1: soundtrack for that, which I stuck on in the car
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Speaker 1: after he'd woken up.
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Speaker 2: It was the 90s as well.
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Speaker 1: With some good tunes on. So we need a film
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Speaker 1: off you, a song and an album for our next guest.
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Speaker 3: Well, film, I think film I'll go Trainspotting, a very
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Speaker 3: obvious choice, but Trainspotting for me and Irvine in general,
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Speaker 3: Irvine's work, you know, like growing up in Dundee, it's like,
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Speaker 3: it was just that voice of it and I read
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Speaker 3: Trainspotting when I was very young and it was like
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Speaker 3: this is this is mad and the film just such
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Speaker 3: confidence and humour you know that's the big thing got
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Speaker 3: humour within it you can have one scene where there's
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Speaker 3: a baby dying as a result of neglect and the
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Speaker 3: next scene is darkly humorous and getting that mix right
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Speaker 3: so hard so John Hodge writing Danny Boyle and Irvine
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Speaker 3: you know masterpiece.
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Speaker 5: I think for me Trainspotting good one a song and
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Speaker 5: an album album I'll say Blonde on Blonde Bob Dylan
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Speaker 5: so because I love that.
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Speaker 6: Yeah my dad my influence from my dad oh right
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Speaker 6: did he give you yeah the tapes and so that
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Speaker 6: I bought that from Groucho's record shop in Dundee Blonde
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Speaker 6: on Blonde it's got my favourite Bob Dylan song on
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Speaker 6: it Visions of Johanna which.
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Speaker 3: Is like six and a half minute epic so Blonde
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Speaker 3: on Blonde for me and then song because yeah Legends
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Speaker 3: 2 I'm listening to creeping a bit more into the
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Speaker 3: 90s and also it was such a huge band for
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Speaker 3: me I'll go for Oasis and I can't decide between
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Speaker 3: Champion Supernova or Don't Look Back in Anger so I
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Speaker 3: think I'll go Don't Look Back in Anger but those songs,
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Speaker 3: that album at the time was like for me I
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Speaker 3: was with my mates in Broughty Ferry in my pal's
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Speaker 3: house you know drinking and waiting to get a taxi
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Speaker 3: up to the Mardi Gras and the excitement of it
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Speaker 3: but I've been I don't think it'll be I can
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Speaker 3: pretty confidently say there'll be some sort of oasis I'd
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Speaker 3: hope in Legends 2 and I've been listening to the
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Speaker 3: playing up today it's a lot of those tracks and
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Speaker 3: those areas as I write the script so great band
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Speaker 3: and such a kind of exciting exciting time
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to even more now thanks for coming on
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Speaker 1: sorry again about the defeat tonight