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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 7) (5/1/26) · The Epstein Chronicles

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the interview given by the unnamed lieutenant
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  from MCC to the OIG investigators. Question, Okay, do all
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  CEOs who work in the shoe know how to properly
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  conduct and report accounts and rounds? Answer? I'm not sure.
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  Question should they know how to do counts and rounds? Answer? Yeah?
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  Question and how should they know? Answer training? Question? And
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  do you think everyone there got enough training to know
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  how to do account and a round? Answer yeah. Question
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  did you ever hear of people like filling out count
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  slips or roundsheets either before or at the very start
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  of their shift for their entire shift or at the
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  end of the shift for their entire shift? Answer not
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  before this incident? Question did you hear about that after
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  the incident? Answer? Yeah? Question what did you hear about that?
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  Answer that they didn't count? I mean it was filling
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  out slips, it wasn't counted making the rounds. Question And
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  who was it that you heard that wasn't conducting counts
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  and rounds? Answer Thomas and Noel. Question anybody else in there?
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  Answer no? Question? Did you hear anything about counts and
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  rounds not being conducted prior to midnight on August tenth?
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  So any time on August ninth? Did you hear about
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  any of those counts and rounds not being conducted? Answer
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  on the morning watch then answer anytime on August ninth,
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  so this date. Answer no question even after the fact,
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  you never heard about like the ten pm count or
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  the four pm count the count's not being conducted? Answer no,
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  question you haven't heard that. Answer No, I don't know,
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  not that I know of some what counts on these days?
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  Question yeah? Answer no, you have the four pm count,
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  you have the ten count, yeah, the midnight count? Yeah.
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  Question right, So what I'm asking did you hear that
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  indiscernible wasn't done? Answer no question. Now do lieutenants sign
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  the counts or the rounds? Answer the rounds, not the counts.
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  Question So what's the lieutenant's responsibility for signing the round sheet?
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  Answer and making sure that they're in compliance with the policy?
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  Question all right? And do they have to Is there
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  any way for them to verify if the rounds were
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  actually done? Answer no, unless you're doing or checking a video.
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  Question you just is what you do is just make
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  sure that it's actually filled out. Answer correctly? Question correctly
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  filled out? All right, I'm going to I apologize for this.
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  It's gotten a little longer. So I'm going to show
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  you what is this that I'm showing you. Answer, it's
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  a round sheet? Question? All right? And what's the roundsheet from?
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  Answer the ninth? Question the ninth did you have anything
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  well as the activities, lieutenant, would you have had anything
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  to do with signing off on any of these? Answer? Yeah?
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  Question which ones would have you signed off on? Answer?
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  Day watch? Question? Okay? And are you on that? Did
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  you sign any of that? Answer? Yeah? Question where's your signature?
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  Answer on the day shift? So the other investigator pipes in,
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  So that's your actual signature? Answer? Yeah? Question is that
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  from the shoe? Answer? Yeah? Question who ese sign that?
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  Answer the officer question? Which officer? Answer? I'm not sure.
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  Question you can't tell by looking at that answer? No question,
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  all right? And around what time would of you sign that?
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  Do you know? Answer? Sometime on my shift? Question? All right?
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  So does that indicate that you would have then conducted
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  around in the shoe answer I'm not sure. Question would
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  you have signed that in the shoe. Answer honestly, I'm
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  not sure. Question, how else would have you gotten it? Answer?
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  I'm not sure sure. Question So is the shoe sheet
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  ever sent outside of the shoe for the lieutenants to sign?
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  Answer I'm not sure. I can't recall on this day. Question,
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  But what I'm asking is like, have you ever signed
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  one of these round sheets outside of the shoe? Answer
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  I'm not sure. Question or is it typically that the
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  lieutenant would sign the sheet and the shoe because aren't
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  they maintained in the shoe? Answer? Typically that's what would happen.
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  Question So typically you would have signed this in the
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  shoe correct answer? Yeah. Question would you have signed this
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  after the last one was filled out? I'm assuming they
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  wouldn't fill one out after you signed it, would they?
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  Answer I'm not sure. Question, So this one says two
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  five to two oh seven. Wouldn't that typically mean that
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  you would have been there at least till two Answer
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  I'm not sure. Question, But looking at this document, does
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  that indicate to you that if you signed it, you
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  would have signed it? Do you ever sign are these
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  continued to be filled up after sorry, after lieutenant signs it? Answer? Yeah?
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  Question so even for day watch right here. Answer yeah.
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  Question so you can sign it at any point during
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  this and then they continue to fill it out. Answer yeah,
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  question all right, And that's what I'm asking How does
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  that work? I don't know, so I'm asking answer. I mean,
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  it's eight hours questions, so at any point from eight
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  am until basically to two o seven pm, you could
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  have signed that answer yes, question okay, And these are
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  genuine questions. They're not to trick you. Answer No, I understand,
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  but it does seem like that is what I'm saying.
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  That's what I'm saying, like he gets cut off by
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  the investigator. I promise you. I'm just asking like. This
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  isn't like and I gotcha moment. There's no I gotcha
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  moments in this. This is just asking for your like,
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  your recollection on this answer. Yeah, I understand that, but
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  that's why I said, I'm not sure about that. I
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  don't know when I signed it. Question all right, And
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  that's so what I'm asking you, like, is this something
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  typically that you would have done? And again it's not
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  a gotcha answer yeah, but again I'm not sure question.
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  It's just a genuine so you don't know. But so
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  most of the time. I mean, these are maintained in
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  the shoe. And this is again, this is our learning
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  experience by talking to people like you lieutenants that we're there.
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  It's again not an I gotcha. It's trying to figure
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  out how does the process work? Answer? But also, I'm
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  not trying to incriminate myself or nothing. That's what I'm saying.
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  I'm not sure question. But what I'm asking, I guess
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  is I don't even know what there would be to
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  incriminate you with. But like what I'm asking is, like,
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  how does the process work if you give this person
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  a round sheet? Are these round sheets signed in the shoe?
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  Answer typically? Question typically all right? And are you aware
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  of them ever not being signed in the shoe? Answer
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  not that I know of. Question all right, So at
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  least more likely than not, you signed this document in
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  the shoe at some point between eight and two PM.
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  Answer yeah, question, so that means you probably did a
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  round in there. Answer yeah, question all right, And if
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  it was between eight and two both redacted and Epstein
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  were not in their cells at the time. Correct answer, Okay, question,
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  I mean, this isn't like again and I got you.
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  I'm just trying to figure out, like where you fall
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  in this whole thing? Answer. So that's what I'm saying,
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  to figure out where do I fall into this whole thing? Answer?
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  Because this is your idea. That's what where we're talking
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  to you, just specifically about all right, redacted was gone
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  at some point he goes wab. We don't know. He
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  gets cut off by the lieutenant. So you're trying to
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  say who's to blame for it? The other investigator pipes in, Well,
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  it's just trying to figure out what happened. We got
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  to talk to he gets cut off by the lieutenant,
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  he left, and that's what happened. Question right, and you
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  when you were there, there was no conversation that you
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  had with anyone? Answer? No conspiracy, No, it's not he
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  gets cut off by the investigator. No, no, no, we're
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  not asking for a conspiracy. It's just we need to
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  know who, what conversations happened? Where where did he gets
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  cut off by the lieutenant? I didn't know nothing about
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  it until after I saw it in the news. Question
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  and this is also me showing you this now is
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  more letting you know, like, Okay, that looks like you
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  probably were there. Does that help spark recollection. Answer. I
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  had no conversation with neither one of them that day,
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  not that I recall. Question none of them that day?
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  Answer no, question all right? Can you tell does this
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  look like an RSC to you? Answer? I don't know
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  who signature that is? Question all right? So on day watch,
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  which there was an S redacted, P, redacted, M, redacted
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  as well as redacted, does that look like any of
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  these people to you? Answer? Hm, I'm not sure. Question
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  all right, So you don't recall and as we go,
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  do you mind just initialing or whatever? Okay, you got
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  those two. If you don't mind initially this, this and
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  this Now, although this is voluntary, I guess we do
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  have to just make sure we know. It also has
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  to be the answer is re truthful. You're under oath,
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  so that also so lack of candor can also be
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  constituted by not providing full information or like hiding information.
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  Answer No, if I remember, it'll and I don't hide anything.
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  But if I remember, then I will say it. Question okay, answer,
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  but when you come with these saying it looks like, hey,
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  by the way, yeah, and if I'm like, I know
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  I being that day, I know it's a big profile case. Hey,
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  let's get such and such they fill this and then
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  he gets caught off by the investigator. Yeah. Yeah, and
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  we just need to know, like, as you know, we've
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  got to make sure that like, hey, what do you remember?
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  What can you tell us? It's voluntary? But all right,
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  so these I'm going to give you the count slips
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  from August ninth up until midnight of August tenth. And
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  is it you're understanding that ZA on the count slip
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  that stands for the shoe answer? Yeah, question? All right,
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  can you just kind of look through those I'm going
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  to move this aside for you so the papers don't
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  get kind of mixed up. Actually, I'm just going to
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  give them back to you, hands them to somebody else. Answer,
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  So I look for what question? So when we initial
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  these things, it's just to say that we showed you.
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  Answer okay. Question. It's not to say that you're certifying
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  anything or that you received anything. It's a document we
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  place in you. This is what we do for everybody.
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  We ask them to initial and date this, and it's
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  just that today while we're talking to you, this is
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  in fact the document that we're talking about. Answer, Okay,
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  question and it's not certifying its accuracy. It's not saying
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  you saw it before today. It's simply to say that's
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  the document that we're discussing right now. Answer, and I'm
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  looking for this for He gets cut off. Question So
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  I look at the zas starting So, so what is
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  this one that I gave you? Answer? So this is
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  ninth at five oh two? Question so five am answer?
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  Five am question. Okay, So I gave you the five
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  am count on the ninth. Can you just take a
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  look at the numbers you can look at that is
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  that that's this first page called Is that E one? Answer? Yeah?
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  Question all right, So look at the E one and
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  then look at the council it for ZA. So when
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  you're looking at E one, just make note of what
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  is the number that says on the E one and
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  then go back to probably the last page, maybe the
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  second to last page for each and look at the
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  ZA number to make sure that it matches with what
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  E one shows. And I just want you to do
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  that for this one. He gets cut off by the lieutenant.
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  You said the E one and what question the E
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  one and the count slip for Za. Answer. The count
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  slips are in the back. Question should be either the
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  last or the second to last page. Answer where it's
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  five in the morning. Question, that's five in the morning
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  on the ninth. So what do those numbers show? Answer
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  in ZA? Question? Yeah, answer so seventy seven? Question does
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  it say both of them? Seventy seven? Answer? On the
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  E one? Yeah, question all right? Cool? Now can you
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  initial and date that and move it aside? Again, these
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  are and I gotcha moments. These just help us explain
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  some stuff. All right, So this E one, well, can
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  you tell me what it says for the ZA on
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  this one? And this is what the five pm count?
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  What is this? Answer? Yeah? Four pm? Question four pm?
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  I mean answer it's four pm count. But yeah, so
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  that ZA is seventy five. Question seventy five. And the
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  last one was what does that say? Answer seventy five?
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  Question all right, seventy five? Cool? Can you just initial
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  that and put that on the side and you'll understand
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  the question after you look at these. And again, it's
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  not a gotcha, it's to help us explain something, all right.
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  Answer what y'all trying to explain? Though? Question the count changes,
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  and I'm going to ask you how you can if
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  there's a way for you to be able to figure
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  out how this count changed. All right, you can look
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  at the e one here and compare it to the
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  count slip back there. What is this the ten PM
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  count on August ninth? Answer, yeah, seventy three. Question seventy
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  three on both? And is there account? What is the
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  count slip? Say something weird on that one? Answer? No,
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  I'm just looking at seven. Question Does it say like
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  seventy three plus one on there? Answer? Oh, yeah it does.
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  Question Have you ever seen a plus one on any before?
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  Or could you understand the reason why someone will put
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  plus one? Answer a plus one? No, I don't know
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  about a plus one. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap
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  up right here, and in the next episode dealing with
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  the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off.
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